Re: [AFMUG] OT - sanitizing vehicles

2020-06-02 Thread Robert Andrews 
Very good point.   I believe the other chemicals in the Lab were what 
they were worried as the possible reacting agents.  Isn't the definition 
of detonation when the flame front goes supersonic?  So I don't really 
know what would have created that criteria.  Thanks for pointing that 
out.   At that time I just went with what was told to me ( while they 
were waggling their finger at me an my lab partner ).I guess that's 
why Doc Welch wasn't that worried about it.Now liquid Ozone..  Yeah, 
that's another animal...
 but O3- "ozinde" are "explosive and must be stored at cryogenic 
temperatures"   I guess that's your second form of Ozone you were 
looking for ( but not for long )


On 06/02/2020 09:58 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
I can see O3 being the oxidizer half, but what is being oxidized in the 
explosion?

*From:* Robert
*Sent:* Tuesday, June 2, 2020 10:30 AM
*To:* af@af.afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT - sanitizing vehicles
Only one kind and it's dangerous all around.   I killed about a million 
fruit flies in H.S. when I was doing ozone layer research in the early 
70's and used rubber tubing.   The tubing dissolved and the lab room 
filled with high concentration O3 (5%!!!) which had the explosive 
equivalent of about 5Klbs of TNT and was flowing visibly out the lab 
window.  Oozing would be a better way to describe it.   Yep we got the 
response of the Bomb Squad, fire department and about a 1/2 dozen 
ambulances just in case. Ozone is not your friend, be careful.  I have 
an ozone sanitizer too.   Figuring out where to use it is not trivial.   
I checked the seals on the shower and they are silicon so I set up a 
disinfection booth out of the shower and make sure it doesn't rise too 
high.  ( heavier than air )...



https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ozone

On 6/2/20 7:23 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:

Guess I was a bit late to offer that factoid.
*From:* ch...@wbmfg.com
*Sent:* Tuesday, June 2, 2020 8:23 AM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT - sanitizing vehicles
I think there may be more than one form of ozone.  Irrespective, one 
type of ozone (if there is more than one) breaks down rubber and other 
things similar to sunlight.

*From:* Lewis Bergman
*Sent:* Tuesday, June 2, 2020 7:48 AM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT - sanitizing vehicles
I don't know if it really works but I got a small Ozone generator. 
Supposedly Ozone kills viruses when levels get high enough. It 
dissipates after 30 minutes. Depending on the person it either stinks 
or smells like rain.  I got the MK10-PRO-DIGI 
<https://airthereal.com/products/ma10k-prodigi?variant=23305933357114=USD_medium=product_sync_source=google_content=sag_organic_campaign=sag_organic_campaign=gs-2018-08-10_source=google_medium=smart_campaign=CjwKCAjw8df2BRA3EiwAvfZWaLQzzEhBTGR2RABLNVsK4tYIKorBv7166umeJPvWOb8dUHhX3qmLARoCv2UQAvD_BwE>. 
I have no idea if it works, but the research I did before I bought it 
indicated that it does.
On Mon, Jun 1, 2020 at 11:07 PM Steve Jones 
 wrote:


I got some killtall type commercial spray. touched areas, seats,
floorboards and shoes. but pretty sure we are critical mass on
rona, either it blows up to unstoppable numbers, or the farce is
over in the next 7 days after this last week
On Mon, Jun 1, 2020 at 9:09 PM Robert  wrote:

Yeah, I wondered about that too.   I just repeated what was
told when the question asked about using the dryer to disinfect.

On 6/1/20 6:41 PM, Bill Prince wrote:


You don't need heat in the washing machine. Just soap. Soap
dissolves the envelope around the virus in less than 30
seconds. One washing machine cycle is all you need. Hot or
cold does not matter if soap is involved.

bp


On 6/1/2020 6:32 PM, Robert wrote:

That's what they say about your clothes in the wash or
dryer.  Most dryers won't reach that temp but they say that
washing machines that have their own heaters do when the
washing machine is set to hot or sanitize..

On 6/1/20 4:55 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:


Wondering how to kill the coronavirus in work vehicles
after each shift?  I read an article that says Ford is
bringing out a software mod for police vehicles that will
use the heater to raise the inside temperature to 133
degrees for 15 minutes and then run the A/C to cool it back
down.  They claim tests at a university showed this to kill
the virus.

This sounds too easy.









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Re: [AFMUG] OT - sanitizing vehicles

2020-06-02 Thread chuck 
Hmmm.  It is unstable.  Interesting.  

From: Adam Moffett 
Sent: Tuesday, June 2, 2020 11:03 AM
To: af@af.afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT - sanitizing vehicles

How pessimistic is the MSDS? https://www.ozonetech.com/ozone-safety

  Ozone is a powerful oxidising agent. Oxidation with ozone evolves more 
heat and usually ignites at a lower temperature than oxidising with oxygen. 
Ozone reacts with non-saturated organic compounds to produce ozonides, which 
are unstable and may decompose with explosive voilence. Ozone is an unstable 
gas that, at normal temperatures, decomposes to biatomic oxygen. At elevated 
temperatures and in presence of certain catalysts such as hydrogen, iron, 
copper and chromium, this decomposition may be explosive. 





On 6/2/2020 12:58 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:

  I can see O3 being the oxidizer half, but what is being oxidized in the 
explosion?

  From: Robert 
  Sent: Tuesday, June 2, 2020 10:30 AM
  To: af@af.afmug.com 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT - sanitizing vehicles

  Only one kind and it's dangerous all around.   I killed about a million fruit 
flies in H.S. when I was doing ozone layer research in the early 70's and used 
rubber tubing.   The tubing dissolved and the lab room filled with high 
concentration O3 (5%!!!) which had the explosive equivalent of about 5Klbs of 
TNT and was flowing visibly out the lab window.  Oozing would be a better way 
to describe it.   Yep we got the response of the Bomb Squad, fire department 
and about a 1/2 dozen ambulances just in case.  Ozone is not your friend, be 
careful.  I have an ozone sanitizer too.   Figuring out where to use it is not 
trivial.   I checked the seals on the shower and they are silicon so I set up a 
disinfection booth out of the shower and make sure it doesn't rise too high.  ( 
heavier than air )...


   https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ozone


  On 6/2/20 7:23 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:

Guess I was a bit late to offer that factoid.  

From: ch...@wbmfg.com 
Sent: Tuesday, June 2, 2020 8:23 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT - sanitizing vehicles

I think there may be more than one form of ozone.  Irrespective, one type 
of ozone (if there is more than one) breaks down rubber and other things 
similar to sunlight.  

From: Lewis Bergman 
Sent: Tuesday, June 2, 2020 7:48 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT - sanitizing vehicles

I don't know if it really works but I got a small Ozone generator. 
Supposedly Ozone kills viruses when levels get high enough. It dissipates after 
30 minutes. Depending on the person it either stinks or smells like rain.  I 
got the MK10-PRO-DIGI. I have no idea if it works, but the research I did 
before I bought it indicated that it does.

On Mon, Jun 1, 2020 at 11:07 PM Steve Jones  
wrote:

  I got some killtall type commercial spray. touched areas, seats, 
floorboards and shoes. but pretty sure we are critical mass on rona, either it 
blows up to unstoppable numbers, or the farce is over in the next 7 days after 
this last week

  On Mon, Jun 1, 2020 at 9:09 PM Robert  wrote:

Yeah, I wondered about that too.   I just repeated what was told when 
the question asked about using the dryer to disinfect.


On 6/1/20 6:41 PM, Bill Prince wrote:

  You don't need heat in the washing machine. Just soap. Soap dissolves 
the envelope around the virus in less than 30 seconds. One washing machine 
cycle is all you need. Hot or cold does not matter if soap is involved.



bp


On 6/1/2020 6:32 PM, Robert wrote:

That's what they say about your clothes in the wash or dryer.  Most 
dryers won't reach that temp but they say that washing machines that have their 
own heaters do when the washing machine is set to hot or sanitize..


On 6/1/20 4:55 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:

  Wondering how to kill the coronavirus in work vehicles after each 
shift?  I read an article that says Ford is bringing out a software mod for 
police vehicles that will use the heater to raise the inside temperature to 133 
degrees for 15 minutes and then run the A/C to cool it back down.  They claim 
tests at a university showed this to kill the virus.



  This sounds too easy.


   


 

   


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Re: [AFMUG] OT - sanitizing vehicles

2020-06-02 Thread Adam Moffett 

How pessimistic is the MSDS? https://www.ozonetech.com/ozone-safety

Ozone is a powerful oxidising agent. Oxidation with ozone evolves more 
heat and usually ignites at a lower temperature than oxidising with 
oxygen. Ozone reacts with non-saturated organic compounds to produce 
ozonides, which are unstable and may decompose with explosive voilence. 
Ozone is an unstable gas that, at normal temperatures, decomposes to 
biatomic oxygen. At elevated temperatures and in presence of certain 
catalysts such as hydrogen, iron, copper and chromium, this 
decomposition may be explosive.




On 6/2/2020 12:58 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
I can see O3 being the oxidizer half, but what is being oxidized in 
the explosion?

*From:* Robert
*Sent:* Tuesday, June 2, 2020 10:30 AM
*To:* af@af.afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT - sanitizing vehicles
Only one kind and it's dangerous all around.   I killed about a 
million fruit flies in H.S. when I was doing ozone layer research in 
the early 70's and used rubber tubing.   The tubing dissolved and the 
lab room filled with high concentration O3 (5%!!!) which had the 
explosive equivalent of about 5Klbs of TNT and was flowing visibly out 
the lab window.  Oozing would be a better way to describe it.   Yep we 
got the response of the Bomb Squad, fire department and about a 1/2 
dozen ambulances just in case.  Ozone is not your friend, be careful.  
I have an ozone sanitizer too.   Figuring out where to use it is not 
trivial.   I checked the seals on the shower and they are silicon so I 
set up a disinfection booth out of the shower and make sure it doesn't 
rise too high.  ( heavier than air )...



https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ozone

On 6/2/20 7:23 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:

Guess I was a bit late to offer that factoid.
*From:* ch...@wbmfg.com
*Sent:* Tuesday, June 2, 2020 8:23 AM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT - sanitizing vehicles
I think there may be more than one form of ozone.  Irrespective, one 
type of ozone (if there is more than one) breaks down rubber and 
other things similar to sunlight.

*From:* Lewis Bergman
*Sent:* Tuesday, June 2, 2020 7:48 AM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT - sanitizing vehicles
I don't know if it really works but I got a small Ozone generator. 
Supposedly Ozone kills viruses when levels get high enough. It 
dissipates after 30 minutes. Depending on the person it either stinks 
or smells like rain.  I got the MK10-PRO-DIGI 
<https://airthereal.com/products/ma10k-prodigi?variant=23305933357114=USD_medium=product_sync_source=google_content=sag_organic_campaign=sag_organic_campaign=gs-2018-08-10_source=google_medium=smart_campaign=CjwKCAjw8df2BRA3EiwAvfZWaLQzzEhBTGR2RABLNVsK4tYIKorBv7166umeJPvWOb8dUHhX3qmLARoCv2UQAvD_BwE>. 
I have no idea if it works, but the research I did before I bought it 
indicated that it does.
On Mon, Jun 1, 2020 at 11:07 PM Steve Jones 
 wrote:


I got some killtall type commercial spray. touched areas, seats,
floorboards and shoes. but pretty sure we are critical mass on
rona, either it blows up to unstoppable numbers, or the farce is
over in the next 7 days after this last week
On Mon, Jun 1, 2020 at 9:09 PM Robert  wrote:

Yeah, I wondered about that too.   I just repeated what was
told when the question asked about using the dryer to disinfect.

On 6/1/20 6:41 PM, Bill Prince wrote:


You don't need heat in the washing machine. Just soap. Soap
dissolves the envelope around the virus in less than 30
seconds. One washing machine cycle is all you need. Hot or
cold does not matter if soap is involved.

bp


On 6/1/2020 6:32 PM, Robert wrote:

That's what they say about your clothes in the wash or
dryer. Most dryers won't reach that temp but they say that
washing machines that have their own heaters do when the
washing machine is set to hot or sanitize..

On 6/1/20 4:55 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:


Wondering how to kill the coronavirus in work vehicles
after each shift?  I read an article that says Ford is
bringing out a software mod for police vehicles that will
use the heater to raise the inside temperature to 133
degrees for 15 minutes and then run the A/C to cool it
back down.  They claim tests at a university showed this
to kill the virus.

This sounds too easy.









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Re: [AFMUG] OT - sanitizing vehicles

2020-06-02 Thread chuck 
I can see O3 being the oxidizer half, but what is being oxidized in the 
explosion?

From: Robert 
Sent: Tuesday, June 2, 2020 10:30 AM
To: af@af.afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT - sanitizing vehicles

Only one kind and it's dangerous all around.   I killed about a million fruit 
flies in H.S. when I was doing ozone layer research in the early 70's and used 
rubber tubing.   The tubing dissolved and the lab room filled with high 
concentration O3 (5%!!!) which had the explosive equivalent of about 5Klbs of 
TNT and was flowing visibly out the lab window.  Oozing would be a better way 
to describe it.   Yep we got the response of the Bomb Squad, fire department 
and about a 1/2 dozen ambulances just in case.  Ozone is not your friend, be 
careful.  I have an ozone sanitizer too.   Figuring out where to use it is not 
trivial.   I checked the seals on the shower and they are silicon so I set up a 
disinfection booth out of the shower and make sure it doesn't rise too high.  ( 
heavier than air )...


 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ozone


On 6/2/20 7:23 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:

  Guess I was a bit late to offer that factoid.  

  From: ch...@wbmfg.com 
  Sent: Tuesday, June 2, 2020 8:23 AM
  To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT - sanitizing vehicles

  I think there may be more than one form of ozone.  Irrespective, one type of 
ozone (if there is more than one) breaks down rubber and other things similar 
to sunlight.  

  From: Lewis Bergman 
  Sent: Tuesday, June 2, 2020 7:48 AM
  To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT - sanitizing vehicles

  I don't know if it really works but I got a small Ozone generator. Supposedly 
Ozone kills viruses when levels get high enough. It dissipates after 30 
minutes. Depending on the person it either stinks or smells like rain.  I got 
the MK10-PRO-DIGI. I have no idea if it works, but the research I did before I 
bought it indicated that it does.

  On Mon, Jun 1, 2020 at 11:07 PM Steve Jones  wrote:

I got some killtall type commercial spray. touched areas, seats, 
floorboards and shoes. but pretty sure we are critical mass on rona, either it 
blows up to unstoppable numbers, or the farce is over in the next 7 days after 
this last week

On Mon, Jun 1, 2020 at 9:09 PM Robert  wrote:

  Yeah, I wondered about that too.   I just repeated what was told when the 
question asked about using the dryer to disinfect.


  On 6/1/20 6:41 PM, Bill Prince wrote:

You don't need heat in the washing machine. Just soap. Soap dissolves 
the envelope around the virus in less than 30 seconds. One washing machine 
cycle is all you need. Hot or cold does not matter if soap is involved.



bp


On 6/1/2020 6:32 PM, Robert wrote:

  That's what they say about your clothes in the wash or dryer.  Most 
dryers won't reach that temp but they say that washing machines that have their 
own heaters do when the washing machine is set to hot or sanitize..


  On 6/1/20 4:55 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:

Wondering how to kill the coronavirus in work vehicles after each 
shift?  I read an article that says Ford is bringing out a software mod for 
police vehicles that will use the heater to raise the inside temperature to 133 
degrees for 15 minutes and then run the A/C to cool it back down.  They claim 
tests at a university showed this to kill the virus.



This sounds too easy.


 


   

 


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Re: [AFMUG] OT - sanitizing vehicles

2020-06-02 Thread Robert 
Only one kind and it's dangerous all around.   I killed about a million 
fruit flies in H.S. when I was doing ozone layer research in the early 
70's and used rubber tubing.   The tubing dissolved and the lab room 
filled with high concentration O3 (5%!!!) which had the explosive 
equivalent of about 5Klbs of TNT and was flowing visibly out the lab 
window.  Oozing would be a better way to describe it.   Yep we got the 
response of the Bomb Squad, fire department and about a 1/2 dozen 
ambulances just in case.  Ozone is not your friend, be careful.  I have 
an ozone sanitizer too. Figuring out where to use it is not trivial.   I 
checked the seals on the shower and they are silicon so I set up a 
disinfection booth out of the shower and make sure it doesn't rise too 
high.  ( heavier than air )...



 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ozone

On 6/2/20 7:23 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:

Guess I was a bit late to offer that factoid.
*From:* ch...@wbmfg.com
*Sent:* Tuesday, June 2, 2020 8:23 AM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT - sanitizing vehicles
I think there may be more than one form of ozone. Irrespective, one 
type of ozone (if there is more than one) breaks down rubber and other 
things similar to sunlight.

*From:* Lewis Bergman
*Sent:* Tuesday, June 2, 2020 7:48 AM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT - sanitizing vehicles
I don't know if it really works but I got a small Ozone generator. 
Supposedly Ozone kills viruses when levels get high enough. It 
dissipates after 30 minutes. Depending on the person it either stinks 
or smells like rain.  I got the MK10-PRO-DIGI 
<https://airthereal.com/products/ma10k-prodigi?variant=23305933357114=USD_medium=product_sync_source=google_content=sag_organic_campaign=sag_organic_campaign=gs-2018-08-10_source=google_medium=smart_campaign=CjwKCAjw8df2BRA3EiwAvfZWaLQzzEhBTGR2RABLNVsK4tYIKorBv7166umeJPvWOb8dUHhX3qmLARoCv2UQAvD_BwE>. 
I have no idea if it works, but the research I did before I bought it 
indicated that it does.
On Mon, Jun 1, 2020 at 11:07 PM Steve Jones 
 wrote:


I got some killtall type commercial spray. touched areas, seats,
floorboards and shoes. but pretty sure we are critical mass on
rona, either it blows up to unstoppable numbers, or the farce is
over in the next 7 days after this last week
On Mon, Jun 1, 2020 at 9:09 PM Robert  wrote:

Yeah, I wondered about that too.   I just repeated what was
told when the question asked about using the dryer to disinfect.

On 6/1/20 6:41 PM, Bill Prince wrote:


You don't need heat in the washing machine. Just soap. Soap
dissolves the envelope around the virus in less than 30
seconds. One washing machine cycle is all you need. Hot or
cold does not matter if soap is involved.

bp


On 6/1/2020 6:32 PM, Robert wrote:

That's what they say about your clothes in the wash or
dryer.  Most dryers won't reach that temp but they say that
washing machines that have their own heaters do when the
washing machine is set to hot or sanitize..

On 6/1/20 4:55 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:


Wondering how to kill the coronavirus in work vehicles
after each shift?  I read an article that says Ford is
bringing out a software mod for police vehicles that will
use the heater to raise the inside temperature to 133
degrees for 15 minutes and then run the A/C to cool it back
down.  They claim tests at a university showed this to kill
the virus.

This sounds too easy.









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Re: [AFMUG] OT - sanitizing vehicles

2020-06-02 Thread Bill Prince 

  
  
Uh. Ozone is O3, or "trioxygen". It's not as stable as regular
  old O2, and readily breaks down to that. It is, however, very
  reactive (as in a very effective oxidiser).


bp



On 6/2/2020 7:23 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com
  wrote:


  
  

  I think there may be more than one form of ozone. 
Irrespective, one type of ozone (if there is more than one)
breaks down rubber and other things similar to sunlight.  
  

   
  
From: Lewis Bergman 
Sent: Tuesday, June 2, 2020 7:48 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users
Group 
    Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT - sanitizing
  vehicles
  

 
  
  
I don't know if it really works but I got a
  small Ozone generator. Supposedly Ozone kills viruses when
  levels get high enough. It dissipates after 30 minutes.
  Depending on the person it either stinks or smells like
  rain.  I got the MK10-PRO-DIGI. I have no idea
  if it works, but the research I did before I bought it
  indicated that it does.
 

  On Mon, Jun 1, 2020 at
11:07 PM Steve Jones <thatoneguyst...@gmail.com>
wrote:
  
  
I got some killtall type commercial
  spray. touched areas, seats, floorboards and shoes.
  but pretty sure we are critical mass on rona, either
  it blows up to unstoppable numbers, or the farce is
  over in the next 7 days after this last week
 

  On Mon, Jun 1, 2020
at 9:09 PM Robert <i...@avantwireless.com>
wrote:
  
  
Yeah, I wondered about that too.   I just
repeated what was told when the question asked
about using the dryer to disinfect.
  
  On 6/1/20 6:41 PM, Bill Prince wrote:
  
  
You don't need heat in the washing machine.
  Just soap. Soap dissolves the envelope around
  the virus in less than 30 seconds. One washing
  machine cycle is all you need. Hot or cold
  does not matter if soap is involved.
 
bp



On 6/1/2020 6:32 PM, Robert wrote:

That's what they say
about your clothes in the wash or dryer. 
Most dryers won't reach that temp but they
say that washing machines that have their
own heaters do when the washing machine is
set to hot or sanitize..
  
  On 6/1/20 4:55 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
  
  

  Wondering how to kill
the coronavirus in work vehicles after
each shift?  I read an article that says
Ford is bringing out a software mod for
police vehicles that will use the heater
to raise the inside temperature to 133
degrees for 15 minutes and then run the
A/C to cool it back down.  They claim
tests at a university showed this to
kill the virus.
   
  This sounds too easy.



  
  
  
  



  
  

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Re: [AFMUG] OT - sanitizing vehicles

2020-06-02 Thread Lewis Bergman 
Gotcha. Interesting

On Tue, Jun 2, 2020 at 9:24 AM  wrote:

> Guess I was a bit late to offer that factoid.
>
> *From:* ch...@wbmfg.com
> *Sent:* Tuesday, June 2, 2020 8:23 AM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT - sanitizing vehicles
>
> I think there may be more than one form of ozone.  Irrespective, one type
> of ozone (if there is more than one) breaks down rubber and other things
> similar to sunlight.
>
> *From:* Lewis Bergman
> *Sent:* Tuesday, June 2, 2020 7:48 AM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT - sanitizing vehicles
>
> I don't know if it really works but I got a small Ozone generator.
> Supposedly Ozone kills viruses when levels get high enough. It dissipates
> after 30 minutes. Depending on the person it either stinks or smells like
> rain.  I got the MK10-PRO-DIGI
> <https://airthereal.com/products/ma10k-prodigi?variant=23305933357114=USD_medium=product_sync_source=google_content=sag_organic_campaign=sag_organic_campaign=gs-2018-08-10_source=google_medium=smart_campaign=CjwKCAjw8df2BRA3EiwAvfZWaLQzzEhBTGR2RABLNVsK4tYIKorBv7166umeJPvWOb8dUHhX3qmLARoCv2UQAvD_BwE>.
> I have no idea if it works, but the research I did before I bought it
> indicated that it does.
>
> On Mon, Jun 1, 2020 at 11:07 PM Steve Jones 
> wrote:
>
>> I got some killtall type commercial spray. touched areas, seats,
>> floorboards and shoes. but pretty sure we are critical mass on rona, either
>> it blows up to unstoppable numbers, or the farce is over in the next 7 days
>> after this last week
>>
>> On Mon, Jun 1, 2020 at 9:09 PM Robert  wrote:
>>
>>> Yeah, I wondered about that too.   I just repeated what was told when
>>> the question asked about using the dryer to disinfect.
>>>
>>> On 6/1/20 6:41 PM, Bill Prince wrote:
>>>
>>> You don't need heat in the washing machine. Just soap. Soap dissolves
>>> the envelope around the virus in less than 30 seconds. One washing machine
>>> cycle is all you need. Hot or cold does not matter if soap is involved.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> bp
>>> 
>>>
>>>
>>> On 6/1/2020 6:32 PM, Robert wrote:
>>>
>>> That's what they say about your clothes in the wash or dryer.  Most
>>> dryers won't reach that temp but they say that washing machines that have
>>> their own heaters do when the washing machine is set to hot or sanitize..
>>>
>>> On 6/1/20 4:55 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
>>>
>>> Wondering how to kill the coronavirus in work vehicles after each
>>> shift?  I read an article that says Ford is bringing out a software mod for
>>> police vehicles that will use the heater to raise the inside temperature to
>>> 133 degrees for 15 minutes and then run the A/C to cool it back down.  They
>>> claim tests at a university showed this to kill the virus.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> This sounds too easy.
>>>
>>>
>>>
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Re: [AFMUG] OT - sanitizing vehicles

2020-06-02 Thread chuck 
Guess I was a bit late to offer that factoid.  

From: ch...@wbmfg.com 
Sent: Tuesday, June 2, 2020 8:23 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT - sanitizing vehicles

I think there may be more than one form of ozone.  Irrespective, one type of 
ozone (if there is more than one) breaks down rubber and other things similar 
to sunlight.  

From: Lewis Bergman 
Sent: Tuesday, June 2, 2020 7:48 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT - sanitizing vehicles

I don't know if it really works but I got a small Ozone generator. Supposedly 
Ozone kills viruses when levels get high enough. It dissipates after 30 
minutes. Depending on the person it either stinks or smells like rain.  I got 
the MK10-PRO-DIGI. I have no idea if it works, but the research I did before I 
bought it indicated that it does.

On Mon, Jun 1, 2020 at 11:07 PM Steve Jones  wrote:

  I got some killtall type commercial spray. touched areas, seats, floorboards 
and shoes. but pretty sure we are critical mass on rona, either it blows up to 
unstoppable numbers, or the farce is over in the next 7 days after this last 
week

  On Mon, Jun 1, 2020 at 9:09 PM Robert  wrote:

Yeah, I wondered about that too.   I just repeated what was told when the 
question asked about using the dryer to disinfect.


On 6/1/20 6:41 PM, Bill Prince wrote:

  You don't need heat in the washing machine. Just soap. Soap dissolves the 
envelope around the virus in less than 30 seconds. One washing machine cycle is 
all you need. Hot or cold does not matter if soap is involved.



bp


On 6/1/2020 6:32 PM, Robert wrote:

That's what they say about your clothes in the wash or dryer.  Most 
dryers won't reach that temp but they say that washing machines that have their 
own heaters do when the washing machine is set to hot or sanitize..


On 6/1/20 4:55 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:

  Wondering how to kill the coronavirus in work vehicles after each 
shift?  I read an article that says Ford is bringing out a software mod for 
police vehicles that will use the heater to raise the inside temperature to 133 
degrees for 15 minutes and then run the A/C to cool it back down.  They claim 
tests at a university showed this to kill the virus.



  This sounds too easy.


   


 

   


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Re: [AFMUG] OT - sanitizing vehicles

2020-06-02 Thread chuck 
I think there may be more than one form of ozone.  Irrespective, one type of 
ozone (if there is more than one) breaks down rubber and other things similar 
to sunlight.  

From: Lewis Bergman 
Sent: Tuesday, June 2, 2020 7:48 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT - sanitizing vehicles

I don't know if it really works but I got a small Ozone generator. Supposedly 
Ozone kills viruses when levels get high enough. It dissipates after 30 
minutes. Depending on the person it either stinks or smells like rain.  I got 
the MK10-PRO-DIGI. I have no idea if it works, but the research I did before I 
bought it indicated that it does.

On Mon, Jun 1, 2020 at 11:07 PM Steve Jones  wrote:

  I got some killtall type commercial spray. touched areas, seats, floorboards 
and shoes. but pretty sure we are critical mass on rona, either it blows up to 
unstoppable numbers, or the farce is over in the next 7 days after this last 
week

  On Mon, Jun 1, 2020 at 9:09 PM Robert  wrote:

Yeah, I wondered about that too.   I just repeated what was told when the 
question asked about using the dryer to disinfect.


On 6/1/20 6:41 PM, Bill Prince wrote:

  You don't need heat in the washing machine. Just soap. Soap dissolves the 
envelope around the virus in less than 30 seconds. One washing machine cycle is 
all you need. Hot or cold does not matter if soap is involved.



bp


On 6/1/2020 6:32 PM, Robert wrote:

That's what they say about your clothes in the wash or dryer.  Most 
dryers won't reach that temp but they say that washing machines that have their 
own heaters do when the washing machine is set to hot or sanitize..


On 6/1/20 4:55 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:

  Wondering how to kill the coronavirus in work vehicles after each 
shift?  I read an article that says Ford is bringing out a software mod for 
police vehicles that will use the heater to raise the inside temperature to 133 
degrees for 15 minutes and then run the A/C to cool it back down.  They claim 
tests at a university showed this to kill the virus.



  This sounds too easy.


   


 

   


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Re: [AFMUG] OT - sanitizing vehicles

2020-06-02 Thread Robert 
You need to be very careful of using an Ozone generator.  Ozone eats 
rubber. Consider that when you use it.


On 6/2/20 6:48 AM, Lewis Bergman wrote:
I don't know if it really works but I got a small Ozone generator. 
Supposedly Ozone kills viruses when levels get high enough. It 
dissipates after 30 minutes. Depending on the person it either stinks 
or smells like rain.  I got the MK10-PRO-DIGI 
. 
I have no idea if it works, but the research I did before I bought it 
indicated that it does.


On Mon, Jun 1, 2020 at 11:07 PM Steve Jones > wrote:


I got some killtall type commercial spray. touched areas, seats,
floorboards and shoes. but pretty sure we are critical mass on
rona, either it blows up to unstoppable numbers, or the farce is
over in the next 7 days after this last week

On Mon, Jun 1, 2020 at 9:09 PM Robert mailto:i...@avantwireless.com>> wrote:

Yeah, I wondered about that too.   I just repeated what was
told when the question asked about using the dryer to disinfect.

On 6/1/20 6:41 PM, Bill Prince wrote:


You don't need heat in the washing machine. Just soap. Soap
dissolves the envelope around the virus in less than 30
seconds. One washing machine cycle is all you need. Hot or
cold does not matter if soap is involved.


bp


On 6/1/2020 6:32 PM, Robert wrote:

That's what they say about your clothes in the wash or
dryer.  Most dryers won't reach that temp but they say that
washing machines that have their own heaters do when the
washing machine is set to hot or sanitize..

On 6/1/20 4:55 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:


Wondering how to kill the coronavirus in work vehicles
after each shift?  I read an article that says Ford is
bringing out a software mod for police vehicles that will
use the heater to raise the inside temperature to 133
degrees for 15 minutes and then run the A/C to cool it back
down.  They claim tests at a university showed this to kill
the virus.

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Re: [AFMUG] OT - sanitizing vehicles

2020-06-02 Thread Lewis Bergman 
I don't know if it really works but I got a small Ozone generator.
Supposedly Ozone kills viruses when levels get high enough. It dissipates
after 30 minutes. Depending on the person it either stinks or smells like
rain.  I got the MK10-PRO-DIGI
.
I have no idea if it works, but the research I did before I bought it
indicated that it does.

On Mon, Jun 1, 2020 at 11:07 PM Steve Jones 
wrote:

> I got some killtall type commercial spray. touched areas, seats,
> floorboards and shoes. but pretty sure we are critical mass on rona, either
> it blows up to unstoppable numbers, or the farce is over in the next 7 days
> after this last week
>
> On Mon, Jun 1, 2020 at 9:09 PM Robert  wrote:
>
>> Yeah, I wondered about that too.   I just repeated what was told when the
>> question asked about using the dryer to disinfect.
>>
>> On 6/1/20 6:41 PM, Bill Prince wrote:
>>
>> You don't need heat in the washing machine. Just soap. Soap dissolves the
>> envelope around the virus in less than 30 seconds. One washing machine
>> cycle is all you need. Hot or cold does not matter if soap is involved.
>>
>>
>> bp
>> 
>>
>>
>> On 6/1/2020 6:32 PM, Robert wrote:
>>
>> That's what they say about your clothes in the wash or dryer.  Most
>> dryers won't reach that temp but they say that washing machines that have
>> their own heaters do when the washing machine is set to hot or sanitize..
>>
>> On 6/1/20 4:55 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
>>
>> Wondering how to kill the coronavirus in work vehicles after each shift?
>> I read an article that says Ford is bringing out a software mod for police
>> vehicles that will use the heater to raise the inside temperature to 133
>> degrees for 15 minutes and then run the A/C to cool it back down.  They
>> claim tests at a university showed this to kill the virus.
>>
>>
>>
>> This sounds too easy.
>>
>>
>>
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Re: [AFMUG] OT - sanitizing vehicles

2020-06-01 Thread Steve Jones 
I got some killtall type commercial spray. touched areas, seats,
floorboards and shoes. but pretty sure we are critical mass on rona, either
it blows up to unstoppable numbers, or the farce is over in the next 7 days
after this last week

On Mon, Jun 1, 2020 at 9:09 PM Robert  wrote:

> Yeah, I wondered about that too.   I just repeated what was told when the
> question asked about using the dryer to disinfect.
>
> On 6/1/20 6:41 PM, Bill Prince wrote:
>
> You don't need heat in the washing machine. Just soap. Soap dissolves the
> envelope around the virus in less than 30 seconds. One washing machine
> cycle is all you need. Hot or cold does not matter if soap is involved.
>
>
> bp
> 
>
>
> On 6/1/2020 6:32 PM, Robert wrote:
>
> That's what they say about your clothes in the wash or dryer.  Most dryers
> won't reach that temp but they say that washing machines that have their
> own heaters do when the washing machine is set to hot or sanitize..
>
> On 6/1/20 4:55 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
>
> Wondering how to kill the coronavirus in work vehicles after each shift?
> I read an article that says Ford is bringing out a software mod for police
> vehicles that will use the heater to raise the inside temperature to 133
> degrees for 15 minutes and then run the A/C to cool it back down.  They
> claim tests at a university showed this to kill the virus.
>
>
>
> This sounds too easy.
>
>
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Re: [AFMUG] OT - sanitizing vehicles

2020-06-01 Thread Robert 
Yeah, I wondered about that too.   I just repeated what was told when 
the question asked about using the dryer to disinfect.


On 6/1/20 6:41 PM, Bill Prince wrote:


You don't need heat in the washing machine. Just soap. Soap dissolves 
the envelope around the virus in less than 30 seconds. One washing 
machine cycle is all you need. Hot or cold does not matter if soap is 
involved.



bp


On 6/1/2020 6:32 PM, Robert wrote:
That's what they say about your clothes in the wash or dryer.  Most 
dryers won't reach that temp but they say that washing machines that 
have their own heaters do when the washing machine is set to hot or 
sanitize..


On 6/1/20 4:55 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:


Wondering how to kill the coronavirus in work vehicles after each 
shift?  I read an article that says Ford is bringing out a software 
mod for police vehicles that will use the heater to raise the inside 
temperature to 133 degrees for 15 minutes and then run the A/C to 
cool it back down.  They claim tests at a university showed this to 
kill the virus.


This sounds too easy.









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Re: [AFMUG] OT - sanitizing vehicles

2020-06-01 Thread Bill Prince 

  
  
You don't need heat in the washing machine. Just soap. Soap
  dissolves the envelope around the virus in less than 30 seconds.
  One washing machine cycle is all you need. Hot or cold does not
  matter if soap is involved.


bp



On 6/1/2020 6:32 PM, Robert wrote:


  
  That's what they say about your clothes in the wash or dryer. 
Most dryers won't reach that temp but they say that washing
machines that have their own heaters do when the washing machine
is set to hot or sanitize..
  
  On 6/1/20 4:55 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
  
  




  Wondering how to kill the coronavirus in
work vehicles after each shift?  I read an article that says
Ford is bringing out a software mod for police vehicles that
will use the heater to raise the inside temperature to 133
degrees for 15 minutes and then run the A/C to cool it back
down.  They claim tests at a university showed this to kill
the virus.
   
  This sounds too easy.



  
  
  
  

  


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Re: [AFMUG] OT - sanitizing vehicles

2020-06-01 Thread Robert 
That's what they say about your clothes in the wash or dryer. Most 
dryers won't reach that temp but they say that washing machines that 
have their own heaters do when the washing machine is set to hot or 
sanitize..


On 6/1/20 4:55 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:


Wondering how to kill the coronavirus in work vehicles after each 
shift?  I read an article that says Ford is bringing out a software 
mod for police vehicles that will use the heater to raise the inside 
temperature to 133 degrees for 15 minutes and then run the A/C to cool 
it back down.  They claim tests at a university showed this to kill 
the virus.


This sounds too easy.




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Re: [AFMUG] OT - sanitizing vehicles

2020-06-01 Thread Bill Prince 

  
  
Yeah. Lick that.


bp



On 6/1/2020 5:50 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:


  
  
  
  
Licking of steering wheels?  Like this?
https://gfycat.com/advancedgrimaardvark-charlies-angels-drew-barrymore-licking
 
 

  
From: AF
   On Behalf Of Bill
  Prince
  Sent: Monday, June 1, 2020 7:09 PM
  To: af@af.afmug.com
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT - sanitizing vehicles
  

 
I would not worry about it too much. Word is that UV will
  deactivate the virus in about 12 minutes. Leave the windows
  rolled up and in the sun, and ol' Sol will do the job for you.
  OTOH, based on low viral load, I'd maybe just keep some
  sanitizing wipes handy, and hit all the high-touch areas
  (steering wheel, and all knobs and handles) and you're good to
  go. 
Oh, put out the word there is to be no licking of steering
  wheels or knobs or handles.
 
bp

 

  On 6/1/2020 4:55 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:


  Wondering how to kill the coronavirus in
work vehicles after each shift?  I read an article that says
Ford is bringing out a software mod for police vehicles that
will use the heater to raise the inside temperature to 133
degrees for 15 minutes and then run the A/C to cool it back
down.  They claim tests at a university showed this to kill
the virus.
   
  This sounds too easy.
  



  
  
  

  


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Re: [AFMUG] OT - sanitizing vehicles

2020-06-01 Thread Ken Hohhof 
Licking of steering wheels?  Like this?

https://gfycat.com/advancedgrimaardvark-charlies-angels-drew-barrymore-licki
ng

 

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of Bill Prince
Sent: Monday, June 1, 2020 7:09 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT - sanitizing vehicles

 

I would not worry about it too much. Word is that UV will deactivate the
virus in about 12 minutes. Leave the windows rolled up and in the sun, and
ol' Sol will do the job for you. OTOH, based on low viral load, I'd maybe
just keep some sanitizing wipes handy, and hit all the high-touch areas
(steering wheel, and all knobs and handles) and you're good to go. 

Oh, put out the word there is to be no licking of steering wheels or knobs
or handles.

 

bp

 

On 6/1/2020 4:55 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:

Wondering how to kill the coronavirus in work vehicles after each shift?  I
read an article that says Ford is bringing out a software mod for police
vehicles that will use the heater to raise the inside temperature to 133
degrees for 15 minutes and then run the A/C to cool it back down.  They
claim tests at a university showed this to kill the virus.

 

This sounds too easy.





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Re: [AFMUG] OT - sanitizing vehicles

2020-06-01 Thread Bill Prince 

  
  
I would not worry about it too much. Word is that UV will
  deactivate the virus in about 12 minutes. Leave the windows rolled
  up and in the sun, and ol' Sol will do the job for you. OTOH,
  based on low viral load, I'd maybe just keep some sanitizing wipes
  handy, and hit all the high-touch areas (steering wheel, and all
  knobs and handles) and you're good to go. 

Oh, put out the word there is to be no licking of steering wheels
  or knobs or handles.


bp



On 6/1/2020 4:55 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:


  
  
  
  
Wondering how to kill the coronavirus in
  work vehicles after each shift?  I read an article that says
  Ford is bringing out a software mod for police vehicles that
  will use the heater to raise the inside temperature to 133
  degrees for 15 minutes and then run the A/C to cool it back
  down.  They claim tests at a university showed this to kill
  the virus.
 
This sounds too easy.
  
  
  

  


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Re: [AFMUG] OT - sanitizing vehicles

2020-06-01 Thread Nate Burke 
We're going to be 92 and sunny tomorrow, I'm thinking with the windows 
rolled up, that's not unattainable.


On 6/1/2020 7:01 PM, Matt Hoppes wrote:
I saw that emailed them and asked when I could get it in my utility 
vehicles and have heard nothing back



On Jun 1, 2020, at 7:55 PM, Ken Hohhof  wrote:



Wondering how to kill the coronavirus in work vehicles after each 
shift?  I read an article that says Ford is bringing out a software 
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temperature to 133 degrees for 15 minutes and then run the A/C to 
cool it back down.  They claim tests at a university showed this to 
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Re: [AFMUG] OT - sanitizing vehicles

2020-06-01 Thread Matt Hoppes 
I saw that emailed them and asked when I could get it in my utility vehicles 
and have heard nothing back

> On Jun 1, 2020, at 7:55 PM, Ken Hohhof  wrote:
> 
> 
> Wondering how to kill the coronavirus in work vehicles after each shift?  I 
> read an article that says Ford is bringing out a software mod for police 
> vehicles that will use the heater to raise the inside temperature to 133 
> degrees for 15 minutes and then run the A/C to cool it back down.  They claim 
> tests at a university showed this to kill the virus.
>  
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