Re: [AFMUG] Tower Fiber
I should never be allowed to use that machine. I'm a juvenile and I would brand all of mine as "Adam's badass SFP model XXX" -- Original Message -- From: "Mark Radabaugh" To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" Sent: 7/27/2018 2:37:00 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Tower Fiber FlexOptix will give you the programmer for the SFP’s if you buy a minimum lot of SFP's. They have profiles for all of the major manufacturers that will tell the equipment it’s a branded SFP.For the items they don’t have a profile for you just need one of the manufacturers coded ones to suck the configuration out and blow it back into a FlexOptix SFP.Works great. You can even have them modify a profile for a SFP if you need to lie to the equipment about what it is you installed - like a BIDI single mode pretending to be a standard multimode. German company but they ship Fedex overnight at reasonable cost. Mark On Jul 27, 2018, at 2:18 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote: That is the case with many if not most vendors that use SFPs. Even back in the SONET days, Alcatel would not gracefully talk to Fujitsu. They would talk but there were all kinds of alarms on both ends. -Original Message- From: Adam Moffett Sent: Friday, July 27, 2018 11:36 AM To: af@af.afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Tower Fiber And the random SFP I tried a few years ago actually worked perfectly fine by the way. The only difference was the Compact would toss alarms about it on a regularly schedule. So apparently you can use any SFP as long as you're willing to ignore the alarms. -Adam On 7/27/2018 1:32 PM, SmarterBroadband wrote: Hi Adam Telrad show two transceivers for Compacts on their Zendesk site.I think this one is Single mode. Finisar FTLF1321P1xTL I have asked FS.com if they have a compatible module. Adam -Original Message- From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Adam Moffett Sent: Thursday, July 26, 2018 3:19 PM To: af@af.afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Tower Fiber On 7/26/2018 5:56 PM, Seth Mattinen wrote: On 7/26/18 2:50 PM, Mike Hammett wrote: Save yourself the hassle and never use multimode for anything. Multimode is always a mistake at some point in its lifetime. Singlemode is forever. Single mode is better in all cases. The only reason for multimode was that the the transmitter for single mode is a laser and lasers were expensive. Multimode uses LED transmitters which were cheaper. VCSEL Lasers turned that upside down and single mode is the cheaper one now. The fiber itself costs about the same. There are always exceptions. Last I knew the only "approved" SFP for a Telrad Compact was a multimode one. The device will toss alarms if you put in any other SFP module. and I'll grant you that I last tried a 3rd party SFP about 2 years ago, so this could have changed, but it was definitely true in 2015 & 2016. So all of our Compacts have a multimode fiber cable. Cest La Vie. It was also the case that SFPs with industrial temperature spec were cheaper in multimode. I'm not sure if that's still true, but it was for awhile. -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
Re: [AFMUG] Tower Fiber
That is the case with many if not most vendors that use SFPs. Even back in the SONET days, Alcatel would not gracefully talk to Fujitsu. They would talk but there were all kinds of alarms on both ends. -Original Message- From: Adam Moffett Sent: Friday, July 27, 2018 11:36 AM To: af@af.afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Tower Fiber And the random SFP I tried a few years ago actually worked perfectly fine by the way. The only difference was the Compact would toss alarms about it on a regularly schedule. So apparently you can use any SFP as long as you're willing to ignore the alarms. -Adam On 7/27/2018 1:32 PM, SmarterBroadband wrote: Hi Adam Telrad show two transceivers for Compacts on their Zendesk site.I think this one is Single mode. Finisar FTLF1321P1xTL I have asked FS.com if they have a compatible module. Adam -Original Message- From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Adam Moffett Sent: Thursday, July 26, 2018 3:19 PM To: af@af.afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Tower Fiber On 7/26/2018 5:56 PM, Seth Mattinen wrote: On 7/26/18 2:50 PM, Mike Hammett wrote: Save yourself the hassle and never use multimode for anything. Multimode is always a mistake at some point in its lifetime. Singlemode is forever. Single mode is better in all cases. The only reason for multimode was that the the transmitter for single mode is a laser and lasers were expensive. Multimode uses LED transmitters which were cheaper. VCSEL Lasers turned that upside down and single mode is the cheaper one now. The fiber itself costs about the same. There are always exceptions. Last I knew the only "approved" SFP for a Telrad Compact was a multimode one. The device will toss alarms if you put in any other SFP module. and I'll grant you that I last tried a 3rd party SFP about 2 years ago, so this could have changed, but it was definitely true in 2015 & 2016. So all of our Compacts have a multimode fiber cable. Cest La Vie. It was also the case that SFPs with industrial temperature spec were cheaper in multimode. I'm not sure if that's still true, but it was for awhile. -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
Re: [AFMUG] Tower Fiber
On 7/27/18 10:32 AM, SmarterBroadband wrote: Hi Adam Telrad show two transceivers for Compacts on their Zendesk site.I think this one is Single mode. Finisar FTLF1321P1xTL I have asked FS.com if they have a compatible module. They should as long as it's programmed with the right vendor ID. There's no crypto handshakes for SFP (yet), as much as vendors wish they were so they could force you buy their 1000% markup optics. -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
Re: [AFMUG] Tower Fiber
And the random SFP I tried a few years ago actually worked perfectly fine by the way. The only difference was the Compact would toss alarms about it on a regularly schedule. So apparently you can use any SFP as long as you're willing to ignore the alarms. -Adam On 7/27/2018 1:32 PM, SmarterBroadband wrote: Hi Adam Telrad show two transceivers for Compacts on their Zendesk site.I think this one is Single mode. Finisar FTLF1321P1xTL I have asked FS.com if they have a compatible module. Adam -Original Message- From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Adam Moffett Sent: Thursday, July 26, 2018 3:19 PM To: af@af.afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Tower Fiber On 7/26/2018 5:56 PM, Seth Mattinen wrote: On 7/26/18 2:50 PM, Mike Hammett wrote: Save yourself the hassle and never use multimode for anything. Multimode is always a mistake at some point in its lifetime. Singlemode is forever. Single mode is better in all cases. The only reason for multimode was that the the transmitter for single mode is a laser and lasers were expensive. Multimode uses LED transmitters which were cheaper. VCSEL Lasers turned that upside down and single mode is the cheaper one now. The fiber itself costs about the same. There are always exceptions. Last I knew the only "approved" SFP for a Telrad Compact was a multimode one. The device will toss alarms if you put in any other SFP module. and I'll grant you that I last tried a 3rd party SFP about 2 years ago, so this could have changed, but it was definitely true in 2015 & 2016. So all of our Compacts have a multimode fiber cable. Cest La Vie. It was also the case that SFPs with industrial temperature spec were cheaper in multimode. I'm not sure if that's still true, but it was for awhile. -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
Re: [AFMUG] Tower Fiber
Good to know. On 7/27/2018 1:32 PM, SmarterBroadband wrote: Hi Adam Telrad show two transceivers for Compacts on their Zendesk site.I think this one is Single mode. Finisar FTLF1321P1xTL I have asked FS.com if they have a compatible module. Adam -Original Message- From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Adam Moffett Sent: Thursday, July 26, 2018 3:19 PM To: af@af.afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Tower Fiber On 7/26/2018 5:56 PM, Seth Mattinen wrote: On 7/26/18 2:50 PM, Mike Hammett wrote: Save yourself the hassle and never use multimode for anything. Multimode is always a mistake at some point in its lifetime. Singlemode is forever. Single mode is better in all cases. The only reason for multimode was that the the transmitter for single mode is a laser and lasers were expensive. Multimode uses LED transmitters which were cheaper. VCSEL Lasers turned that upside down and single mode is the cheaper one now. The fiber itself costs about the same. There are always exceptions. Last I knew the only "approved" SFP for a Telrad Compact was a multimode one. The device will toss alarms if you put in any other SFP module. and I'll grant you that I last tried a 3rd party SFP about 2 years ago, so this could have changed, but it was definitely true in 2015 & 2016. So all of our Compacts have a multimode fiber cable. Cest La Vie. It was also the case that SFPs with industrial temperature spec were cheaper in multimode. I'm not sure if that's still true, but it was for awhile. -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
Re: [AFMUG] Tower Fiber
Hi Adam Telrad show two transceivers for Compacts on their Zendesk site.I think this one is Single mode. Finisar FTLF1321P1xTL I have asked FS.com if they have a compatible module. Adam -Original Message- From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Adam Moffett Sent: Thursday, July 26, 2018 3:19 PM To: af@af.afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Tower Fiber On 7/26/2018 5:56 PM, Seth Mattinen wrote: > On 7/26/18 2:50 PM, Mike Hammett wrote: >> Save yourself the hassle and never use multimode for anything. >> > > > Multimode is always a mistake at some point in its lifetime. > Singlemode is forever. > Single mode is better in all cases. The only reason for multimode was that the the transmitter for single mode is a laser and lasers were expensive. Multimode uses LED transmitters which were cheaper. VCSEL Lasers turned that upside down and single mode is the cheaper one now. The fiber itself costs about the same. There are always exceptions. Last I knew the only "approved" SFP for a Telrad Compact was a multimode one. The device will toss alarms if you put in any other SFP module. and I'll grant you that I last tried a 3rd party SFP about 2 years ago, so this could have changed, but it was definitely true in 2015 & 2016. So all of our Compacts have a multimode fiber cable. Cest La Vie. It was also the case that SFPs with industrial temperature spec were cheaper in multimode. I'm not sure if that's still true, but it was for awhile. -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
Re: [AFMUG] Tower Fiber
The only reason I used it is because it was readily in stock and available. For some reason when I need a singlemode configuration its out of stock. So, I end up making the whole site MM On 07/26/2018 07:04 PM, Chuck McCown wrote: You could terminate MM with simple and cheap tools too. For me that was the only advantage. Even then I don't ever recall using it more than a couple times. -Original Message- From: Bill Prince Sent: Thursday, July 26, 2018 5:02 PM To: af@af.afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Tower Fiber Yup. There was a time when multimode was a lot cheaper. The good news is that he distance limitations on multimode meant that hey were always short links. As it happens, you can often put a singlemode SFP in place of a multimode SFP for those short links, and there will be enough margin for them to work just fine. bp On 7/26/2018 3:19 PM, Adam Moffett wrote: On 7/26/2018 5:56 PM, Seth Mattinen wrote: On 7/26/18 2:50 PM, Mike Hammett wrote: Save yourself the hassle and never use multimode for anything. Multimode is always a mistake at some point in its lifetime. Singlemode is forever. Single mode is better in all cases. The only reason for multimode was that the the transmitter for single mode is a laser and lasers were expensive. Multimode uses LED transmitters which were cheaper. VCSEL Lasers turned that upside down and single mode is the cheaper one now. The fiber itself costs about the same. There are always exceptions. Last I knew the only "approved" SFP for a Telrad Compact was a multimode one. The device will toss alarms if you put in any other SFP module. and I'll grant you that I last tried a 3rd party SFP about 2 years ago, so this could have changed, but it was definitely true in 2015 & 2016. So all of our Compacts have a multimode fiber cable. Cest La Vie. It was also the case that SFPs with industrial temperature spec were cheaper in multimode. I'm not sure if that's still true, but it was for awhile. -- -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
Re: [AFMUG] Tower Fiber
You could terminate MM with simple and cheap tools too. For me that was the only advantage. Even then I don't ever recall using it more than a couple times. -Original Message- From: Bill Prince Sent: Thursday, July 26, 2018 5:02 PM To: af@af.afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Tower Fiber Yup. There was a time when multimode was a lot cheaper. The good news is that he distance limitations on multimode meant that hey were always short links. As it happens, you can often put a singlemode SFP in place of a multimode SFP for those short links, and there will be enough margin for them to work just fine. bp On 7/26/2018 3:19 PM, Adam Moffett wrote: On 7/26/2018 5:56 PM, Seth Mattinen wrote: On 7/26/18 2:50 PM, Mike Hammett wrote: Save yourself the hassle and never use multimode for anything. Multimode is always a mistake at some point in its lifetime. Singlemode is forever. Single mode is better in all cases. The only reason for multimode was that the the transmitter for single mode is a laser and lasers were expensive. Multimode uses LED transmitters which were cheaper. VCSEL Lasers turned that upside down and single mode is the cheaper one now. The fiber itself costs about the same. There are always exceptions. Last I knew the only "approved" SFP for a Telrad Compact was a multimode one. The device will toss alarms if you put in any other SFP module. and I'll grant you that I last tried a 3rd party SFP about 2 years ago, so this could have changed, but it was definitely true in 2015 & 2016. So all of our Compacts have a multimode fiber cable. Cest La Vie. It was also the case that SFPs with industrial temperature spec were cheaper in multimode. I'm not sure if that's still true, but it was for awhile. -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
Re: [AFMUG] Tower Fiber
Yup. There was a time when multimode was a lot cheaper. The good news is that he distance limitations on multimode meant that hey were always short links. As it happens, you can often put a singlemode SFP in place of a multimode SFP for those short links, and there will be enough margin for them to work just fine. bp On 7/26/2018 3:19 PM, Adam Moffett wrote: On 7/26/2018 5:56 PM, Seth Mattinen wrote: On 7/26/18 2:50 PM, Mike Hammett wrote: Save yourself the hassle and never use multimode for anything. Multimode is always a mistake at some point in its lifetime. Singlemode is forever. Single mode is better in all cases. The only reason for multimode was that the the transmitter for single mode is a laser and lasers were expensive. Multimode uses LED transmitters which were cheaper. VCSEL Lasers turned that upside down and single mode is the cheaper one now. The fiber itself costs about the same. There are always exceptions. Last I knew the only "approved" SFP for a Telrad Compact was a multimode one. The device will toss alarms if you put in any other SFP module. and I'll grant you that I last tried a 3rd party SFP about 2 years ago, so this could have changed, but it was definitely true in 2015 & 2016. So all of our Compacts have a multimode fiber cable. Cest La Vie. It was also the case that SFPs with industrial temperature spec were cheaper in multimode. I'm not sure if that's still true, but it was for awhile. -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
Re: [AFMUG] Tower Fiber
On 7/26/2018 5:56 PM, Seth Mattinen wrote: On 7/26/18 2:50 PM, Mike Hammett wrote: Save yourself the hassle and never use multimode for anything. Multimode is always a mistake at some point in its lifetime. Singlemode is forever. Single mode is better in all cases. The only reason for multimode was that the the transmitter for single mode is a laser and lasers were expensive. Multimode uses LED transmitters which were cheaper. VCSEL Lasers turned that upside down and single mode is the cheaper one now. The fiber itself costs about the same. There are always exceptions. Last I knew the only "approved" SFP for a Telrad Compact was a multimode one. The device will toss alarms if you put in any other SFP module. and I'll grant you that I last tried a 3rd party SFP about 2 years ago, so this could have changed, but it was definitely true in 2015 & 2016. So all of our Compacts have a multimode fiber cable. Cest La Vie. It was also the case that SFPs with industrial temperature spec were cheaper in multimode. I'm not sure if that's still true, but it was for awhile. -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
Re: [AFMUG] Tower Fiber
Save yourself the hassle and never use multimode for anything. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP - Original Message - From: "Dave" To: af@af.afmug.com Sent: Thursday, July 26, 2018 4:43:38 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Tower Fiber I have used either or.. Depends on stock.. I get all my custom hybrid/fiber cable done at Best-tronics. Has armor and custom breakouts with what ever termination. SM or MM at that distance is not an issue On 07/26/2018 04:22 PM, SmarterBroadband wrote: What cable and who do you recommend for custom fiber to connect to Licensed Link Radios at 110 feet on a tower. Thinking Single Mode. -- -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
Re: [AFMUG] Tower Fiber
I have used either or.. Depends on stock.. I get all my custom hybrid/fiber cable done at Best-tronics. Has armor and custom breakouts with what ever termination. SM or MM at that distance is not an issue On 07/26/2018 04:22 PM, SmarterBroadband wrote: What cable and who do you recommend for custom fiber to connect to Licensed Link Radios at 110 feet on a tower. Thinking Single Mode. -- -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
