Re: [AFMUG] Canopy mailing list?
They are all still around. I had some convo with Marlon not too long ago. Regards, Jeff Jeff Broadwick Senior Account Manager, Convergence Technologies, Inc. jbroadw...@converge-tech.com 312-205-2519 Office 574-220-7826 Cell From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of David Milholen Sent: Sunday, January 25, 2015 4:49 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Canopy mailing list? Lewis is listening Im sure cause I still talk to him and hes going strong. On 1/25/2015 12:16 PM, Jaime Solorza wrote: Speaking of long lost friends ..any one have news on Lewis Bergman from Abilene. Marlon Schaefer from Odessa Wa And Matt Larsen from Wy. Jaime Solorza On Jan 25, 2015 8:57 AM, Chuck McCown ch...@wbmfg.com wrote: Hi Tim, Long time no talk to. Got any fun cracks to share? Here is the info: List-Id: Animal Farm af.afmug.com List-Unsubscribe: http://afmug.com/mailman/options/af, mailto:af-requ...@afmug.com?subject=unsubscribe List-Archive: http://afmug.com/pipermail/af/ List-Post: mailto:af@afmug.com List-Help: mailto:af-requ...@afmug.com?subject=help List-Subscribe: http://afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af, mailto:af-requ...@afmug.com?subject=subscribe Reply-To: af@afmug.com -Original Message- From: Tim Hogard Sent: Saturday, January 24, 2015 7:16 PM To: i...@wbmfg.com Subject: Canopy mailing list? Chuck, I've lost touch with the old motorola canopy mailing lists. Is there a public mailing list that is active these days? Thanks, Tim Hogard (aka thog...@abnormal.com) --
Re: [AFMUG] Canopy AP Utilization Graphing
What about RX overrun errors? On 01/26/2015 12:42 PM, Brian Sullivan wrote: The only existing tool built into an AP that does this would be under Statistics Throughput and enabling Throughput Monitoring. This will tell you when you are tossing xx% of RF packets due to an overload condition. We graph 'RF out discards' on each AP and connection but we seem to get them even during low utilization periods. With 450, we can generate RF discards in the lab with a single AP and single SM so we aren't really sure when an AP is overloaded. Please head over to Cambium's community forum and give Kudos to these posts: http://community.cambiumnetworks.com/t5/Your-Ideas/Utilization-per-Sector/idi-p/37968 http://community.cambiumnetworks.com/t5/Your-Ideas/450-AP-Throughput-capacity/idi-p/36808 Alternatively, you can input your AP's session info (current up and down modulations) into the Capacity Planner available here: https://support.cambiumnetworks.com/files/pmp450/ That should give you a theoretical max available bandwidth. On 1/26/2015 11:57 AM, Matt wrote: We graph all the ethernet Interfaces on our FSK Canopy AP's etc with MRTG. Is there a way to graph the actual utilization to see when an AP is maxed? I know an AP with all 2X clients should have 10mbps downstream which most ours do. What I cant tell is when an AP has a mix of 1X and 2X if the AP is maxed out or not by the graph. Same principle for 450 AP's. Perhaps there is a packet queue on the AP that gets congested at times like this I can graph on five minute intervals? Something like that?
[AFMUG] What are you using for gig poe injection?
What are you guys using for gigabit poe injection? 450 = syncinjector? Ctm? Cmm? Ubnt, epmp = gig-poe-apc? Packet flux 8ch? Tough switch? Wisp switch?
Re: [AFMUG] Canopy AP Utilization Graphing
That looks like the one. Since we can generate the discards on one AP and one SM, we aren't using that as an indication that an AP is overloaded. I assume inbound packets destined for the SM are dropped at the AP due to MIR settings, thus creating a discard. # snmpget -v2c -c Canopyro -m ALL 169.254.1.1 .1.3.6.1.4.1.161.19.3.1.7.35.0 SNMPv2-SMI::enterprises.161.19.3.1.7.35.0 = No Such Instance currently exists at this OID Bummer. What am I doing wrong? The only existing tool built into an AP that does this would be under Statistics Throughput and enabling Throughput Monitoring. This will tell you when you are tossing xx% of RF packets due to an overload condition. We graph 'RF out discards' on each AP and connection but we seem to get them Is this what you graph? http://support.cambiumnetworks.com/framed/onlinetools/content.WHISP-APS-MIB.html#rfOutDiscardRate Apparently its not telling you much? even during low utilization periods. With 450, we can generate RF discards in the lab with a single AP and single SM so we aren't really sure when an AP is overloaded. Please head over to Cambium's community forum and give Kudos to these posts: http://community.cambiumnetworks.com/t5/Your-Ideas/Utilization-per-Sector/idi-p/37968 http://community.cambiumnetworks.com/t5/Your-Ideas/450-AP-Throughput-capacity/idi-p/36808 Alternatively, you can input your AP's session info (current up and down modulations) into the Capacity Planner available here: https://support.cambiumnetworks.com/files/pmp450/ That should give you a theoretical max available bandwidth. On 1/26/2015 11:57 AM, Matt wrote: We graph all the ethernet Interfaces on our FSK Canopy AP's etc with MRTG. Is there a way to graph the actual utilization to see when an AP is maxed? I know an AP with all 2X clients should have 10mbps downstream which most ours do. What I cant tell is when an AP has a mix of 1X and 2X if the AP is maxed out or not by the graph. Same principle for 450 AP's. Perhaps there is a packet queue on the AP that gets congested at times like this I can graph on five minute intervals? Something like that?
[AFMUG] Wireshark filter for DDOS attack?
What filter do you guys use on wireshark to find a DDOS attack? It's been about 7yrs sense I've done that so I'm a bit rusty.. Thanks, — Sent from Mailbox
Re: [AFMUG] Canopy AP Utilization Graphing
The only existing tool built into an AP that does this would be under Statistics Throughput and enabling Throughput Monitoring. This will tell you when you are tossing xx% of RF packets due to an overload condition. We graph 'RF out discards' on each AP and connection but we seem to get them Is this what you graph? http://support.cambiumnetworks.com/framed/onlinetools/content.WHISP-APS-MIB.html#rfOutDiscardRate Apparently its not telling you much? even during low utilization periods. With 450, we can generate RF discards in the lab with a single AP and single SM so we aren't really sure when an AP is overloaded. Please head over to Cambium's community forum and give Kudos to these posts: http://community.cambiumnetworks.com/t5/Your-Ideas/Utilization-per-Sector/idi-p/37968 http://community.cambiumnetworks.com/t5/Your-Ideas/450-AP-Throughput-capacity/idi-p/36808 Alternatively, you can input your AP's session info (current up and down modulations) into the Capacity Planner available here: https://support.cambiumnetworks.com/files/pmp450/ That should give you a theoretical max available bandwidth. On 1/26/2015 11:57 AM, Matt wrote: We graph all the ethernet Interfaces on our FSK Canopy AP's etc with MRTG. Is there a way to graph the actual utilization to see when an AP is maxed? I know an AP with all 2X clients should have 10mbps downstream which most ours do. What I cant tell is when an AP has a mix of 1X and 2X if the AP is maxed out or not by the graph. Same principle for 450 AP's. Perhaps there is a packet queue on the AP that gets congested at times like this I can graph on five minute intervals? Something like that?
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Re: [AFMUG] Canopy 5.x ghz 450 with KP Omni
I've had similar results with the KPP and L-Com omnis. Both work but range is underwhelming. KPP supposedly has downtilt but I can't really tell the difference. I don't believe 450 AP will let you get to max regulatory EIRP in 5.7. -Original Message- From: Brian Sullivan Sent: Monday, January 26, 2015 1:29 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Canopy 5.x ghz 450 with KP Omni We are satisfied with them to grow the subscriber base. Happier with sectors. Range might be disappointing. 4-6 miles max if you want to preserve your sector throughput. Try not to accept new installs running in 1x or 2x. On 1/26/2015 12:58 PM, Matt wrote: Is anyone using the KP omni with the 450 5 ghz gear? How is it performing?
Re: [AFMUG] Canopy AP Utilization Graphing
1.3.6.1.4.1.161.19.3.1.7.35.0 try without the leading . On Mon, Jan 26, 2015 at 1:40 PM, Matt matt.mailingli...@gmail.com wrote: That looks like the one. Since we can generate the discards on one AP and one SM, we aren't using that as an indication that an AP is overloaded. I assume inbound packets destined for the SM are dropped at the AP due to MIR settings, thus creating a discard. # snmpget -v2c -c Canopyro -m ALL 169.254.1.1 .1.3.6.1.4.1.161.19.3.1.7.35.0 SNMPv2-SMI::enterprises.161.19.3.1.7.35.0 = No Such Instance currently exists at this OID Bummer. What am I doing wrong? The only existing tool built into an AP that does this would be under Statistics Throughput and enabling Throughput Monitoring. This will tell you when you are tossing xx% of RF packets due to an overload condition. We graph 'RF out discards' on each AP and connection but we seem to get them Is this what you graph? http://support.cambiumnetworks.com/framed/onlinetools/content.WHISP-APS-MIB.html#rfOutDiscardRate Apparently its not telling you much? even during low utilization periods. With 450, we can generate RF discards in the lab with a single AP and single SM so we aren't really sure when an AP is overloaded. Please head over to Cambium's community forum and give Kudos to these posts: http://community.cambiumnetworks.com/t5/Your-Ideas/Utilization-per-Sector/idi-p/37968 http://community.cambiumnetworks.com/t5/Your-Ideas/450-AP-Throughput-capacity/idi-p/36808 Alternatively, you can input your AP's session info (current up and down modulations) into the Capacity Planner available here: https://support.cambiumnetworks.com/files/pmp450/ That should give you a theoretical max available bandwidth. On 1/26/2015 11:57 AM, Matt wrote: We graph all the ethernet Interfaces on our FSK Canopy AP's etc with MRTG. Is there a way to graph the actual utilization to see when an AP is maxed? I know an AP with all 2X clients should have 10mbps downstream which most ours do. What I cant tell is when an AP has a mix of 1X and 2X if the AP is maxed out or not by the graph. Same principle for 450 AP's. Perhaps there is a packet queue on the AP that gets congested at times like this I can graph on five minute intervals? Something like that? -- All parts should go together without forcing. You must remember that the parts you are reassembling were disassembled by you. Therefore, if you can't get them together again, there must be a reason. By all means, do not use a hammer. -- IBM maintenance manual, 1925
Re: [AFMUG] Canopy 5.x ghz 450 with KP Omni
We are satisfied with them to grow the subscriber base. Happier with sectors. Range might be disappointing. 4-6 miles max if you want to preserve your sector throughput. Try not to accept new installs running in 1x or 2x. On 1/26/2015 12:58 PM, Matt wrote: Is anyone using the KP omni with the 450 5 ghz gear? How is it performing?
Re: [AFMUG] Wireshark filter for DDOS attack?
Its been a long time since I have seen one our network have an attack like that but we try do all we can to prevent this by doing levels of route filtering and firewall filtering. It can easily happen with a router like a customers mikrotik with no rule to drop incoming dns request to the router. On 01/26/2015 01:02 PM, TJ Trout wrote: I usually use mikrotik torch to find the victim ip and have my upstream null it, what options are available for mitigation besides null routing at the upstream provider ? On Jan 26, 2015 10:50 AM, timothy steele timothy.pct...@gmail.com mailto:timothy.pct...@gmail.com wrote: What filter do you guys use on wireshark to find a DDOS attack? It's been about 7yrs sense I've done that so I'm a bit rusty.. Thanks, — Sent from Mailbox https://www.dropbox.com/mailbox
[AFMUG] Canopy 5.x ghz 450 with KP Omni
Is anyone using the KP omni with the 450 5 ghz gear? How is it performing?
Re: [AFMUG] Wireshark filter for DDOS attack?
I usually use mikrotik torch to find the victim ip and have my upstream null it, what options are available for mitigation besides null routing at the upstream provider ? On Jan 26, 2015 10:50 AM, timothy steele timothy.pct...@gmail.com wrote: What filter do you guys use on wireshark to find a DDOS attack? It's been about 7yrs sense I've done that so I'm a bit rusty.. Thanks, — Sent from Mailbox https://www.dropbox.com/mailbox
Re: [AFMUG] Canopy AP Utilization Graphing
That looks like the one. Since we can generate the discards on one AP and one SM, we aren't using that as an indication that an AP is overloaded. I assume inbound packets destined for the SM are dropped at the AP due to MIR settings, thus creating a discard. On 1/26/2015 12:50 PM, Matt wrote: The only existing tool built into an AP that does this would be under Statistics Throughput and enabling Throughput Monitoring. This will tell you when you are tossing xx% of RF packets due to an overload condition. We graph 'RF out discards' on each AP and connection but we seem to get them Is this what you graph? http://support.cambiumnetworks.com/framed/onlinetools/content.WHISP-APS-MIB.html#rfOutDiscardRate Apparently its not telling you much? even during low utilization periods. With 450, we can generate RF discards in the lab with a single AP and single SM so we aren't really sure when an AP is overloaded. Please head over to Cambium's community forum and give Kudos to these posts: http://community.cambiumnetworks.com/t5/Your-Ideas/Utilization-per-Sector/idi-p/37968 http://community.cambiumnetworks.com/t5/Your-Ideas/450-AP-Throughput-capacity/idi-p/36808 Alternatively, you can input your AP's session info (current up and down modulations) into the Capacity Planner available here: https://support.cambiumnetworks.com/files/pmp450/ That should give you a theoretical max available bandwidth. On 1/26/2015 11:57 AM, Matt wrote: We graph all the ethernet Interfaces on our FSK Canopy AP's etc with MRTG. Is there a way to graph the actual utilization to see when an AP is maxed? I know an AP with all 2X clients should have 10mbps downstream which most ours do. What I cant tell is when an AP has a mix of 1X and 2X if the AP is maxed out or not by the graph. Same principle for 450 AP's. Perhaps there is a packet queue on the AP that gets congested at times like this I can graph on five minute intervals? Something like that?
Re: [AFMUG] OT - MT usage stats
Unfortunately not. :( However a couple other technicians from the office will be there for the festivities. Perhaps I'll have them seek you out specifically :) -Tim -Original Message- From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Mark - Myakka Technologies Sent: Saturday, January 24, 2015 6:28 PM To: Timothy D. McNabb Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT - MT usage stats Timothy, Are you going to AF? -- Best regards, Markmailto:m...@mailmt.com Myakka Technologies, Inc. www.MyakkaTech.com Proud Sponsor of the Myakka City Relay For Life http://www.RelayForLife.org/MyakkaCityFL Please Donate at http://main.acsevents.org/site/TR/RelayForLife/RFLFY12FL?team_id=1030009pg=teamfr_id=37555 -- Friday, January 23, 2015, 2:51:07 PM, you wrote: TDM I'd be interested in this if you're willing to share. All options TDM on the table right now until I can find one that will do the job of TDM what we're looking for. TDM I did investigate this (oops I confused TrafficFlow with an actual TDM URL, was actually referring to the Accounting) but I thought it TDM might be problematic due to the limitations of what is displayed. TDM Each of the counters appear to be tcp connection based a la NTop TDM and 8192 (the limit) seems like a small number. When you have TDM webpages that spawn anywhere from 10-15 TCP connections each (and TDM each entry uses 100 bytes), it can start to add up quick especially TDM if you have a high customer count pumping through the router. How TDM do you gauge something like that to poll and maintain usage TDM accuracy? If I am misinterpreting, please tell me :-) TDM Also interested in Cameron's take on this issue as well. I can be TDM hit up offlist for both at t...@velociter.net. And I really TDM appreciate the shares :-) TDM Regards, TDM -Tim TDM -Original Message- TDM From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Mark - Myakka TDM Technologies TDM Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2015 5:42 PM TDM To: Timothy D. McNabb TDM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT - MT usage stats TDM Timothy, TDM On the wireless side pre-radius I wrote some code that uses the IP TDM accounting feature of MT. I've been working on and off of doing TDM some internal usage monitoring on clients MT's to see what devices TDM internally are using the bandwidth. I've tried a bunch of TDM different things, but keep coming back to the IP Accounting. TDM It is just easy to deal with. TDM -Turn it on, set the buffer to the max (8k I think) TDM -Write a PHP or PERL script to do a WGET or some other web page grab every few minutes. TDM -Parse the data TDM -Update SQL Table TDM -- TDM Best regards, TDM Markmailto:m...@mailmt.com TDM Myakka Technologies, Inc. TDM www.MyakkaTech.com TDM Proud Sponsor of the Myakka City Relay For Life TDM http://www.RelayForLife.org/MyakkaCityFL TDM Please Donate at TDM http://main.acsevents.org/site/TR/RelayForLife/RFLFY12FL?team_id=10 TDM 30009pg=teamfr_id=37555 TDM -- TDM Thursday, January 22, 2015, 7:00:52 PM, you wrote: TDM Ya we�re doing that now on PPPoE clients. The PPPoE server sends TDM interm accounting at the interval specified. However what I am TDM looking specifically for non-PPPoE statically-assigned clients. TDM There are several different types of scripts spread across the web TDM ad nauseam but nothing that gives me what I�m looking for. TDM I�ve also been investigating TrafficFlow but parsing that data TDM could be a coders nightmare (or not, all I know is my eyes bleed TDM looking at it). TDM � TDM Butch � looking to catalog upload and download stats per TDM customer IP (non-PPPoE). Passthroughs work as planned but of TDM course you have two fields (Src Address and Dst Address). I�m TDM not interested in what websites they visited (ie TrafficFlow url) TDM so much as the amount of data used. If we can get Up/Down then of TDM course we can create a cumulative field as well. TDM � TDM -Tim TDM � TDM From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Adam Moffett TDM Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2015 3:51 PM TDM To: af@afmug.com TDM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT - MT usage stats TDM � TDM � TDM I don't exactly have an answer.but maybe a direction to TDM look.� MT has RADIUS support for DHCP.� The intent is to TDM authenticate based on the DHCP client's MAC address.does that TDM support RADIUS accounting?� If so then pair that with FreeRADIUS TDM and I think you can get usage stats into SQL that way. TDM Was wondering if anyone had come up with a nifty-keeno way to TDM export usage counters to a SQL database? Trying not to re-invent TDM the wheel, just modify it with 22�s on spinners or something TDM fancy. Currently mapping that information through mangle rules, TDM however Passthroughs are an option as well. TDM � TDM -Tim TDM � TDM � TDM --- TDM This email is free from viruses and malware because
Re: [AFMUG] What are you using for gig poe injection?
Gig syncinjector from Packetflux You could also do Gig POE injector, but why stock two devices Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Mon, Jan 26, 2015 at 2:35 PM, TJ Trout t...@voltbb.com wrote: What are you guys using for gigabit poe injection? 450 = syncinjector? Ctm? Cmm? Ubnt, epmp = gig-poe-apc? Packet flux 8ch? Tough switch? Wisp switch?
Re: [AFMUG] is fiber more brittle in cold?
BTW: What finally worked for me in this guy's barn was warming up the strand for a few seconds with a heat gun. Then strip, clean, and cleave as quick as I could. Suddenly everything worked. Double yes. My guys always heat the enclosures up in the trailer before splicing. Leave it alone it will never break, clean it and strip it cold your in trouble. On Jan 22, 2015, at 7:53 PM, Jason McKemie j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com mailto:j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com wrote: Yeah, it's a bit of a pain to work with in the cold. Since I don't have a splice trailer I usually set up my telco tent and put a propane heater inside to help warm it up a bit before I work with it. On Thursday, January 22, 2015, Adam Moffett dmmoff...@gmail.com mailto:dmmoff...@gmail.com wrote: Maybe this is a dumb question: Is fiber optic cable more brittle in the cold? I was attempting to do a mechanical splice in an interconnect box on a cable between a heated building and an unheated barn. In the heated building I didn't have much problem. In the cold barn (single digits Fahrenheit) I kept snapping the glass when stripping it and broke it off inside the mechanical splice more than once. I also noticed the 250um acrylic coating seemed to stick to the 900um tight buffer, so when I stripped the tight buffer the acrylic would come with itI never saw that before. Is this just because it's cold? It was also dark and I was working in space where I'm wedged between a Brush Hog and the wall. I also might just suck at it.
Re: [AFMUG] Canopy AP Utilization Graphing
we graph fsk overload stats and go into warning at 3% I dont recall where we came up with that for the number On Mon, Jan 26, 2015 at 12:07 PM, Adam Moffett dmmoff...@gmail.com wrote: I have often thought they needed something like slots utilized or airtime utilized. What I used to was track the utilization and modulation of each session. Then it's possible to calculate how close to total usage you are by doubling the numbers for the 1x subscribers. I had the raw data in MySQL and a set of queries that would produce the numbers. We graph all the ethernet Interfaces on our FSK Canopy AP's etc with MRTG. Is there a way to graph the actual utilization to see when an AP is maxed? I know an AP with all 2X clients should have 10mbps downstream which most ours do. What I cant tell is when an AP has a mix of 1X and 2X if the AP is maxed out or not by the graph. Same principle for 450 AP's. Perhaps there is a packet queue on the AP that gets congested at times like this I can graph on five minute intervals? Something like that? -- All parts should go together without forcing. You must remember that the parts you are reassembling were disassembled by you. Therefore, if you can't get them together again, there must be a reason. By all means, do not use a hammer. -- IBM maintenance manual, 1925
[AFMUG] Fiber pricing.
Just was curious what the current pricing of fiber was when purchased in bulk. Well that and orange tube, etc. Found some pricing which made me wonder how they can even make it for that cost. And not from just one source. What is everyone paying for bulk fiber suitable for in duct use. 144 strand or so? Any other material pricing would be useful too.
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[AFMUG] Canopy AP Utilization Graphing
We graph all the ethernet Interfaces on our FSK Canopy AP's etc with MRTG. Is there a way to graph the actual utilization to see when an AP is maxed? I know an AP with all 2X clients should have 10mbps downstream which most ours do. What I cant tell is when an AP has a mix of 1X and 2X if the AP is maxed out or not by the graph. Same principle for 450 AP's. Perhaps there is a packet queue on the AP that gets congested at times like this I can graph on five minute intervals? Something like that?
Re: [AFMUG] Fiber pricing.
144 strand loose tube probably between 1.20 and 1.40 depending on several variables... What pricing are you seeing? 1.25 Innerduct is around .35 to .40 a foot or so. All this varies a bit based on demand, availability, how much you're buying etc. On Mon, Jan 26, 2015 at 11:52 AM, Forrest Christian (List Account) li...@packetflux.com wrote: Just was curious what the current pricing of fiber was when purchased in bulk. Well that and orange tube, etc. Found some pricing which made me wonder how they can even make it for that cost. And not from just one source. What is everyone paying for bulk fiber suitable for in duct use. 144 strand or so? Any other material pricing would be useful too.
Re: [AFMUG] Canopy AP Utilization Graphing
I have often thought they needed something like slots utilized or airtime utilized. What I used to was track the utilization and modulation of each session. Then it's possible to calculate how close to total usage you are by doubling the numbers for the 1x subscribers. I had the raw data in MySQL and a set of queries that would produce the numbers. We graph all the ethernet Interfaces on our FSK Canopy AP's etc with MRTG. Is there a way to graph the actual utilization to see when an AP is maxed? I know an AP with all 2X clients should have 10mbps downstream which most ours do. What I cant tell is when an AP has a mix of 1X and 2X if the AP is maxed out or not by the graph. Same principle for 450 AP's. Perhaps there is a packet queue on the AP that gets congested at times like this I can graph on five minute intervals? Something like that?
Re: [AFMUG] Canopy AP Utilization Graphing
The only existing tool built into an AP that does this would be under Statistics Throughput and enabling Throughput Monitoring. This will tell you when you are tossing xx% of RF packets due to an overload condition. We graph 'RF out discards' on each AP and connection but we seem to get them even during low utilization periods. With 450, we can generate RF discards in the lab with a single AP and single SM so we aren't really sure when an AP is overloaded. Please head over to Cambium's community forum and give Kudos to these posts: http://community.cambiumnetworks.com/t5/Your-Ideas/Utilization-per-Sector/idi-p/37968 http://community.cambiumnetworks.com/t5/Your-Ideas/450-AP-Throughput-capacity/idi-p/36808 Alternatively, you can input your AP's session info (current up and down modulations) into the Capacity Planner available here: https://support.cambiumnetworks.com/files/pmp450/ That should give you a theoretical max available bandwidth. On 1/26/2015 11:57 AM, Matt wrote: We graph all the ethernet Interfaces on our FSK Canopy AP's etc with MRTG. Is there a way to graph the actual utilization to see when an AP is maxed? I know an AP with all 2X clients should have 10mbps downstream which most ours do. What I cant tell is when an AP has a mix of 1X and 2X if the AP is maxed out or not by the graph. Same principle for 450 AP's. Perhaps there is a packet queue on the AP that gets congested at times like this I can graph on five minute intervals? Something like that?
Re: [AFMUG] RF frequency mapping program ?
TowerCoverage.com does this, called Frequency Maps J Hit us off-list for more information.. Dennis Burgess, CTO, Link Technologies, Inc. den...@linktechs.net mailto:den...@linktechs.net – 314-735-0270 – www.linktechs.net http://www.linktechs.net From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Paul McCall Sent: Monday, January 26, 2015 3:26 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] RF frequency mapping program ? This isn’t what was talking about. Something a little more general … example .. When I have 6 towers in a 10 mile radius, and want to represent what frequencies (sectors) are going specific directions (and overlap) by colors, labels etc. So, From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jaime Solorza Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2015 10:24 AM To: Animal Farm Subject: Re: [AFMUG] RF frequency mapping program ? typo dude sent me to all kinds of cell tower stuff www.towercoverage.com Jaime Solorza Wireless Systems Architect 915-861-1390 On Wed, Jan 21, 2015 at 8:11 AM, Dennis Burgess dmburg...@linktechs.net wrote: www.towerocverage.com J Dennis Burgess, CTO, Link Technologies, Inc. den...@linktechs.net – 314-735-0270 – www.linktechs.net From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Paul McCall Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2015 7:58 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] RF frequency mapping program ? Probably a couple months ago, someone posted a link (or name) of software that can lay out your Frequency usage on a map. Been searching this AM for it, without success. Anyone recall that software name? Paul McCall, Pres. PDMNet / Florida Broadband 658 Old Dixie Highway Vero Beach, FL 32962 772-564-6800 office 772-473-0352 cell www.pdmnet.com http://www.pdmnet.com/ pa...@pdmnet.net
Re: [AFMUG] RF frequency mapping program ?
This isn’t what was talking about. Something a little more general … example .. When I have 6 towers in a 10 mile radius, and want to represent what frequencies (sectors) are going specific directions (and overlap) by colors, labels etc. So, From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jaime Solorza Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2015 10:24 AM To: Animal Farm Subject: Re: [AFMUG] RF frequency mapping program ? typo dude sent me to all kinds of cell tower stuff www.towercoverage.comhttp://www.towercoverage.com Jaime Solorza Wireless Systems Architect 915-861-1390 On Wed, Jan 21, 2015 at 8:11 AM, Dennis Burgess dmburg...@linktechs.netmailto:dmburg...@linktechs.net wrote: www.towerocverage.comhttp://www.towerocverage.com ☺ Dennis Burgess, CTO, Link Technologies, Inc. den...@linktechs.netmailto:den...@linktechs.net – 314-735-0270tel:314-735-0270 – www.linktechs.nethttp://www.linktechs.net From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.commailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Paul McCall Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2015 7:58 AM To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] RF frequency mapping program ? Probably a couple months ago, someone posted a link (or name) of software that can lay out your Frequency usage on a map. Been searching this AM for it, without success. Anyone recall that software name? Paul McCall, Pres. PDMNet / Florida Broadband 658 Old Dixie Highway Vero Beach, FL 32962 772-564-6800tel:772-564-6800 office 772-473-0352tel:772-473-0352 cell www.pdmnet.comhttp://www.pdmnet.com/ pa...@pdmnet.netmailto:pa...@pdmnet.net
Re: [AFMUG] Wireshark filter for DDOS attack?
Once you’ve identified it, what do you do with it? From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Steve Utick Sent: Monday, January 26, 2015 3:43 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Wireshark filter for DDOS attack? The most common thing we've been seeing lately is gamers. They are in playing games online, and piss someone off, so they launch a DDOS towards our customers IP to knock them out of the game. They just don't realize that it also fills up our pipes and does way more than knock a single customer offline. I've found that it's usually all UDP traffic, so I can filter for UDP and usually get a pretty quick sense of what IP it's all destined for on our network. Just look for the single destination IP that has traffic coming from hundreds and thousands of different source IP addresses. On Mon, Jan 26, 2015 at 12:29 PM, David dmilho...@wletc.commailto:dmilho...@wletc.com wrote: Its been a long time since I have seen one our network have an attack like that but we try do all we can to prevent this by doing levels of route filtering and firewall filtering. It can easily happen with a router like a customers mikrotik with no rule to drop incoming dns request to the router. On 01/26/2015 01:02 PM, TJ Trout wrote: I usually use mikrotik torch to find the victim ip and have my upstream null it, what options are available for mitigation besides null routing at the upstream provider ? On Jan 26, 2015 10:50 AM, timothy steele timothy.pct...@gmail.commailto:timothy.pct...@gmail.com wrote: What filter do you guys use on wireshark to find a DDOS attack? It's been about 7yrs sense I've done that so I'm a bit rusty.. Thanks, — Sent from Mailboxhttps://www.dropbox.com/mailbox Total Control Panel Loginhttps://asp.reflexion.net/login?domain=litewire.net To: ja...@litewire.nethttps://asp.reflexion.net/address-properties?aID=242260993domain=litewire.net From: 014b283252fa-e8871843-4d18-4d79-b6fa-51aa09376c3c-000...@amazonses.comhttps://asp.reflexion.net/address-properties?aID=3007550797domain=litewire.net Removehttps://asp.reflexion.net/FooterAction?ver=2un-wl-sender-domain=1rID=242260993aID=3007550797domain=litewire.net amazonses.com from my allow list You received this message because the domain amazonses.com is on your allow list.
Re: [AFMUG] Wireshark filter for DDOS attack?
You may only have 2 minutes. From: James Howard Sent: Monday, January 26, 2015 3:44 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Wireshark filter for DDOS attack? Once you’ve identified it, what do you do with it? From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Steve Utick Sent: Monday, January 26, 2015 3:43 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Wireshark filter for DDOS attack? The most common thing we've been seeing lately is gamers. They are in playing games online, and piss someone off, so they launch a DDOS towards our customers IP to knock them out of the game. They just don't realize that it also fills up our pipes and does way more than knock a single customer offline. I've found that it's usually all UDP traffic, so I can filter for UDP and usually get a pretty quick sense of what IP it's all destined for on our network. Just look for the single destination IP that has traffic coming from hundreds and thousands of different source IP addresses. On Mon, Jan 26, 2015 at 12:29 PM, David dmilho...@wletc.com wrote: Its been a long time since I have seen one our network have an attack like that but we try do all we can to prevent this by doing levels of route filtering and firewall filtering. It can easily happen with a router like a customers mikrotik with no rule to drop incoming dns request to the router. On 01/26/2015 01:02 PM, TJ Trout wrote: I usually use mikrotik torch to find the victim ip and have my upstream null it, what options are available for mitigation besides null routing at the upstream provider ? On Jan 26, 2015 10:50 AM, timothy steele timothy.pct...@gmail.com wrote: What filter do you guys use on wireshark to find a DDOS attack? It's been about 7yrs sense I've done that so I'm a bit rusty.. Thanks, — Sent from Mailbox Total Control Panel Login To: ja...@litewire.net From: 014b283252fa-e8871843-4d18-4d79-b6fa-51aa09376c3c-000...@amazonses.com Remove amazonses.com from my allow list You received this message because the domain amazonses.com is on your allow list.
Re: [AFMUG] Wireshark filter for DDOS attack?
That’s on my to-do list…… Any tips? From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Steve Utick Sent: Monday, January 26, 2015 3:57 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Wireshark filter for DDOS attack? At the moment, we call our upstream and have them null route it.We are working on getting a filter list set up on our core so that we can inject it into our upstreams BGP blackhole list. On Mon, Jan 26, 2015 at 2:44 PM, James Howard ja...@litewire.netmailto:ja...@litewire.net wrote: Once you’ve identified it, what do you do with it? From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.commailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Steve Utick Sent: Monday, January 26, 2015 3:43 PM To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Wireshark filter for DDOS attack? The most common thing we've been seeing lately is gamers. They are in playing games online, and piss someone off, so they launch a DDOS towards our customers IP to knock them out of the game. They just don't realize that it also fills up our pipes and does way more than knock a single customer offline. I've found that it's usually all UDP traffic, so I can filter for UDP and usually get a pretty quick sense of what IP it's all destined for on our network. Just look for the single destination IP that has traffic coming from hundreds and thousands of different source IP addresses. On Mon, Jan 26, 2015 at 12:29 PM, David dmilho...@wletc.commailto:dmilho...@wletc.com wrote: Its been a long time since I have seen one our network have an attack like that but we try do all we can to prevent this by doing levels of route filtering and firewall filtering. It can easily happen with a router like a customers mikrotik with no rule to drop incoming dns request to the router. On 01/26/2015 01:02 PM, TJ Trout wrote: I usually use mikrotik torch to find the victim ip and have my upstream null it, what options are available for mitigation besides null routing at the upstream provider ? On Jan 26, 2015 10:50 AM, timothy steele timothy.pct...@gmail.commailto:timothy.pct...@gmail.com wrote: What filter do you guys use on wireshark to find a DDOS attack? It's been about 7yrs sense I've done that so I'm a bit rusty.. Thanks, — Sent from Mailboxhttps://www.dropbox.com/mailbox Total Control Panel Loginhttps://asp.reflexion.net/login?domain=litewire.net To: ja...@litewire.nethttps://asp.reflexion.net/address-properties?aID=242260993domain=litewire.net From: 014b283252fa-e8871843-4d18-4d79-b6fa-51aa09376c3c-000...@amazonses.comhttps://asp.reflexion.net/address-properties?aID=3007550797domain=litewire.net Removehttps://asp.reflexion.net/FooterAction?ver=2un-wl-sender-domain=1rID=242260993aID=3007550797domain=litewire.net amazonses.comhttp://amazonses.com from my allow list You received this message because the domain amazonses.comhttp://amazonses.com is on your allow list. Total Control Panel Loginhttps://asp.reflexion.net/login?domain=litewire.net To: ja...@litewire.nethttps://asp.reflexion.net/address-properties?aID=242260993domain=litewire.net From: 014b283f49dc-52a150b0-3bb1-4dd5-8a6e-12e7fcd7cd49-000...@amazonses.comhttps://asp.reflexion.net/address-properties?aID=3007580454domain=litewire.net Removehttps://asp.reflexion.net/FooterAction?ver=2un-wl-sender-domain=1rID=242260993aID=3007580454domain=litewire.net amazonses.com from my allow list You received this message because the domain amazonses.com is on your allow list.
Re: [AFMUG] Wireshark filter for DDOS attack?
The most common thing we've been seeing lately is gamers. They are in playing games online, and piss someone off, so they launch a DDOS towards our customers IP to knock them out of the game. They just don't realize that it also fills up our pipes and does way more than knock a single customer offline. I've found that it's usually all UDP traffic, so I can filter for UDP and usually get a pretty quick sense of what IP it's all destined for on our network. Just look for the single destination IP that has traffic coming from hundreds and thousands of different source IP addresses. On Mon, Jan 26, 2015 at 12:29 PM, David dmilho...@wletc.com wrote: Its been a long time since I have seen one our network have an attack like that but we try do all we can to prevent this by doing levels of route filtering and firewall filtering. It can easily happen with a router like a customers mikrotik with no rule to drop incoming dns request to the router. On 01/26/2015 01:02 PM, TJ Trout wrote: I usually use mikrotik torch to find the victim ip and have my upstream null it, what options are available for mitigation besides null routing at the upstream provider ? On Jan 26, 2015 10:50 AM, timothy steele timothy.pct...@gmail.com wrote: What filter do you guys use on wireshark to find a DDOS attack? It's been about 7yrs sense I've done that so I'm a bit rusty.. Thanks, — Sent from Mailbox https://www.dropbox.com/mailbox
Re: [AFMUG] Wireshark filter for DDOS attack?
At the moment, we call our upstream and have them null route it.We are working on getting a filter list set up on our core so that we can inject it into our upstreams BGP blackhole list. On Mon, Jan 26, 2015 at 2:44 PM, James Howard ja...@litewire.net wrote: Once you’ve identified it, what do you do with it? *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Steve Utick *Sent:* Monday, January 26, 2015 3:43 PM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Wireshark filter for DDOS attack? The most common thing we've been seeing lately is gamers. They are in playing games online, and piss someone off, so they launch a DDOS towards our customers IP to knock them out of the game. They just don't realize that it also fills up our pipes and does way more than knock a single customer offline. I've found that it's usually all UDP traffic, so I can filter for UDP and usually get a pretty quick sense of what IP it's all destined for on our network. Just look for the single destination IP that has traffic coming from hundreds and thousands of different source IP addresses. On Mon, Jan 26, 2015 at 12:29 PM, David dmilho...@wletc.com wrote: Its been a long time since I have seen one our network have an attack like that but we try do all we can to prevent this by doing levels of route filtering and firewall filtering. It can easily happen with a router like a customers mikrotik with no rule to drop incoming dns request to the router. On 01/26/2015 01:02 PM, TJ Trout wrote: I usually use mikrotik torch to find the victim ip and have my upstream null it, what options are available for mitigation besides null routing at the upstream provider ? On Jan 26, 2015 10:50 AM, timothy steele timothy.pct...@gmail.com wrote: What filter do you guys use on wireshark to find a DDOS attack? It's been about 7yrs sense I've done that so I'm a bit rusty.. Thanks, — Sent from Mailbox https://www.dropbox.com/mailbox -- *Total Control Panel* Login https://asp.reflexion.net/login?domain=litewire.net To: ja...@litewire.net https://asp.reflexion.net/address-properties?aID=242260993domain=litewire.net From: 014b283252fa-e8871843-4d18-4d79-b6fa-51aa09376c3c-000...@amazonses.com https://asp.reflexion.net/address-properties?aID=3007550797domain=litewire.net Remove https://asp.reflexion.net/FooterAction?ver=2un-wl-sender-domain=1rID=242260993aID=3007550797domain=litewire.net amazonses.com from my allow list *You received this message because the domain amazonses.com http://amazonses.com is on your allow list.*
Re: [AFMUG] Fiber pricing.
More like .25/ft for inner duct in bulk and .75/ft for 144 ct fiber. Sometime less if found from the right place. Try Geoff Richardson with telecom Surplus -- Sincerely, Jason Pond Grizzly Internet, Inc
Re: [AFMUG] What are you using for gig poe injection?
We are using netonix and have some edgeswitches. Might convert over to netonix completely for ease of use and the ability to power saf, airfiber, etc all off one switch. On January 26, 2015 3:24:38 PM AKST, TJ Trout t...@voltbb.com wrote: Cabling is a mess, wish check had made some type of rail power insertion On Mon, Jan 26, 2015 at 4:15 PM, Bruce Robertson br...@pooh.com wrote: +1. Why use anything else??? On 01/26/2015 04:08 PM, Jeremy wrote: UBNT using GIGE-POE-APC, and I love them. On Jan 26, 2015 12:38 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: Gig syncinjector from Packetflux You could also do Gig POE injector, but why stock two devices Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Mon, Jan 26, 2015 at 2:35 PM, TJ Trout t...@voltbb.com wrote: What are you guys using for gigabit poe injection? 450 = syncinjector? Ctm? Cmm? Ubnt, epmp = gig-poe-apc? Packet flux 8ch? Tough switch? Wisp switch? !DSPAM:2,54c6d71a210845634141640! -- Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity.
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Re: [AFMUG] [WISPA Members] Petition Circulating
Two questions: 1. IF passed will WISPs be able to apply and get money from the fund since they are excluded now? 2. Do you expect this to pass? Sent from my iPhone On Jan 26, 2015, at 6:16 PM, Rick Harnish rharn...@fibertothefarm.com wrote: Save Small Internet Service Providershttp://petitions.moveon.org/sign/save-small-internet-service?source=s.icn.twr_by=12361504 Petition by George Fendlerhttp://petitions.moveon.org/contact_creator.html?petition_id=87447 To be delivered to Tom Wheeler, FCC Commissioner and President Barack Obama Stop the FCC from making small ISPs comply with Title II public utility rules. This is not Net Neutrality. It is a power grab to give the big phone/cable providers a strong monopoly and saddle all American Internet customers with a 16.8% tax. George Fendler is a WISP from Central Coast Internet in Hollister, California. Click on the link above to support this petition and use social media to broadcast it to your customers. Respectfully, Rick Harnish Broadband Consultant Industry Analyst 260-307-4000 cell Skype: rick.harnish. winmail.dat ___ Members mailing list memb...@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/members
Re: [AFMUG] What are you using for gig poe injection?
UBNT using GIGE-POE-APC, and I love them. On Jan 26, 2015 12:38 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: Gig syncinjector from Packetflux You could also do Gig POE injector, but why stock two devices Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Mon, Jan 26, 2015 at 2:35 PM, TJ Trout t...@voltbb.com wrote: What are you guys using for gigabit poe injection? 450 = syncinjector? Ctm? Cmm? Ubnt, epmp = gig-poe-apc? Packet flux 8ch? Tough switch? Wisp switch?
Re: [AFMUG] What are you using for gig poe injection?
+1. Why use anything else??? On 01/26/2015 04:08 PM, Jeremy wrote: UBNT using GIGE-POE-APC, and I love them. On Jan 26, 2015 12:38 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: Gig syncinjector from Packetflux You could also do Gig POE injector, but why stock two devices Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 tel:937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 tel:937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Mon, Jan 26, 2015 at 2:35 PM, TJ Trout t...@voltbb.com mailto:t...@voltbb.com wrote: What are you guys using for gigabit poe injection? 450 = syncinjector? Ctm? Cmm? Ubnt, epmp = gig-poe-apc? Packet flux 8ch? Tough switch? Wisp switch? !DSPAM:2,54c6d71a210845634141640!
Re: [AFMUG] is fiber more brittle in cold?
Also remember the splicers them selfs may not operate the same at lower temperatures, we have notices a bit more bad splices in the cold. Carlos Alcantar Race Communications / Race Team Member 1325 Howard Ave. #604, Burlingame, CA. 94010 Phone: +1 415 376 3314 / car...@race.commailto:car...@race.com / http://www.race.comhttp://www.race.com/ From: Adam Moffett dmmoff...@gmail.commailto:dmmoff...@gmail.com Reply-To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com Date: Monday, January 26, 2015 at 10:26 AM To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] is fiber more brittle in cold? BTW:ï¿1Ž2 What finally worked for me in this guy's barn was warming up the strand for a few seconds with a heat gun.ï¿1Ž2 Then strip, clean, and cleave as quick as I could.ï¿1Ž2 Suddenly everything worked. Double yes. My guys always heat the enclosures up in the trailer before splicing. ï¿1Ž2Leave it alone it will never break, clean it and strip it cold your in trouble. ï¿1Ž2 On Jan 22, 2015, at 7:53 PM, Jason McKemie j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.commailto:j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com wrote: Yeah, it's a bit of a pain to work with in the cold. Since I don't have a splice trailer I usually set up my telco tent and put a propane heater inside to help warm it up a bit before I work with it. On Thursday, January 22, 2015, Adam Moffett dmmoff...@gmail.commailto:dmmoff...@gmail.com wrote: Maybe this is a dumb question: Is fiber optic cable more brittle in the cold?ï¿1Ž2 I was attempting to do a mechanical splice in an interconnect box on a cable between a heated building and an unheated barn.ï¿1Ž2 In the heated building I didn't have much problem.ï¿1Ž2 In the cold barn (single digits Fahrenheit) I kept snapping the glass when stripping it and broke it off inside the mechanical splice more than once.ï¿1Ž2 I also noticed the 250um acrylic coating seemed to stick to the 900um tight buffer, so when I stripped the tight buffer the acrylic would come with itI never saw that before.ï¿1Ž2 Is this just because it's cold?ï¿1Ž2 It was also dark and I was working in space where I'm wedged between a Brush Hog and the wall.ï¿1Ž2 I also might just suck at it.
[AFMUG] FYI PSA
New streaming service on the horizon for cord-cutters - http://www.sling.com/ Additional article - http://gizmodo.com/sling-tv-review-holy-crap-weve-figured-out-internet-1681592627 -Tim
Re: [AFMUG] Forrest's Monday Rant - MikroTik Ethernet Funkyness
not to go against the grain of bitching about mikrotik, we plan on moving to them, so im looking forward to bitching about them. But why is it that you use 10mb components? I would figure they cost more at this point in the game, like putting edsel parts in ford escorts On Mon, Jan 26, 2015 at 4:26 PM, Josh Baird joshba...@gmail.com wrote: My 2011 at home is plagued with negotiation issues as well. It's about to get thrown in the trash. On Mon, Jan 26, 2015 at 5:25 PM, Mike Hammett af...@ics-il.net wrote: It's hard enough to get them to do modern or forward looking things, much less 10 meg things. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions https://twitter.com/ICSIL -- *From: *Forrest Christian (List Account) li...@packetflux.com *To: *af af@afmug.com *Sent: *Monday, January 26, 2015 4:19:52 PM *Subject: *[AFMUG] Forrest's Monday Rant - MikroTik Ethernet Funkyness As many of you have heard, I've had a bit of a irritation for quite some time about Mikrotik's seeming inability to consistently wire their Ethernet ports correctly for 10mb/s operation - specifically paying attention to the correct *polarity* of the wires in the Ethernet pairs. This wreaks havoc with devices which need the correct polarity to work, such as my SiteMonitor Base II's. For instance, every other switchport on the RB250GS Ethernet switch doesn't work. I don't remember if it's 1 3 and 5 which doesn't work, or if it's 2 and 4, but it is definitely every other one. Swapping the wires in one of the pairs fixes the problem, so I'm sure that's the cause. I've tried over the years to get MikroTik to care enough to even acknowledge the issue. Of course, the problem isn't their lack of compliance with the standard, but instead it must be my problem instead, so I've resolved to just dealing with the occasional need to train a customer to try a different port. I should note that as far as I can tell, this isn't a common problem with other switch vendors. In fact, I don't think I have a single non-MikroTik device in my possession which doesn't work with the standard-complying 10Mb/s Ethernet port in the base unit - and I have quite a variety that I've tried. Not sure how MikroTik is so good at getting this not-very-consistently wrong, and everyone else seems to almost always get it right. But, that's not really my rant. It just provides the background. Over the last year or so I've slowly put together the internal network at home and at PacketFlux out of MikroTik devices. Quite frankly, they have a feature set I appreciate, and I can generally overlook the issues, but they're starting to get on my nerves, the most recent ones being: * Routerboard 850Gx2 doesn't show master/slave configuration options in webfig (ok this one is minor). * That same routerboard 850Gx2, won't link with a 10Mb/s device at all unless you turn *off* autonegotiation and hard code it 10Mbs. Well, except when you try to replicate it later, in which case it works fine with autonegotiation on. Fine, be that way. Well, until hours later it decides to not link with that exact same 10Mb/s device and you have to set it back to not negotiate. Fortunately, hardcoding the speed seems to always work so I'm leaving it that way. * Disabling advertising speeds seems to be generally non-functional on some devices. Want to negotiate at only 10/100, so turn off 1000M checkboxes? Fine, except the damn thing still autonegotiates at 1000M. And what really set me off this weekend: Remember that RB250GS? Well, I recently upgraded my main development/desktop computer (much faster now, thanks), but am still moving things off my old one. So I want it up to be able to VNC into it. In addition, I have a newly installed Linux machine here as well. The physical hardware for both of these devices are Dell workstations from about the same time period. They both have 10/100 Ethernet cards which have been autonegotiating at 100Mb/s with when plugged into a rb2011 (which has it's own unique issues as well). So this weekend, I decide to move these things off the top of the rd bench to under it. I decide to install that RB250GS under the bench as well to plug them into and give me a couple more spare ports, and so I get it plugged in and linked up to another MikroTik (amazingly this link works just fine), and then hook both dell machines (The Win7 one and the Linux one) to the RB250GS. A few hours later, I copy some stuff from the old Win7 box to my new one. Many gigs of stuff to be specific - something like 40GB or thereabouts.Windows is nicely telling me that it's going to take 'more than a day' and that I'm only transferring at 1MB/s (yeah 10Mb/s). WTF?
[AFMUG] Forrest's Monday Rant - MikroTik Ethernet Funkyness
As many of you have heard, I've had a bit of a irritation for quite some time about Mikrotik's seeming inability to consistently wire their Ethernet ports correctly for 10mb/s operation - specifically paying attention to the correct *polarity* of the wires in the Ethernet pairs. This wreaks havoc with devices which need the correct polarity to work, such as my SiteMonitor Base II's. For instance, every other switchport on the RB250GS Ethernet switch doesn't work. I don't remember if it's 1 3 and 5 which doesn't work, or if it's 2 and 4, but it is definitely every other one. Swapping the wires in one of the pairs fixes the problem, so I'm sure that's the cause. I've tried over the years to get MikroTik to care enough to even acknowledge the issue. Of course, the problem isn't their lack of compliance with the standard, but instead it must be my problem instead, so I've resolved to just dealing with the occasional need to train a customer to try a different port. I should note that as far as I can tell, this isn't a common problem with other switch vendors. In fact, I don't think I have a single non-MikroTik device in my possession which doesn't work with the standard-complying 10Mb/s Ethernet port in the base unit - and I have quite a variety that I've tried. Not sure how MikroTik is so good at getting this not-very-consistently wrong, and everyone else seems to almost always get it right. But, that's not really my rant. It just provides the background. Over the last year or so I've slowly put together the internal network at home and at PacketFlux out of MikroTik devices. Quite frankly, they have a feature set I appreciate, and I can generally overlook the issues, but they're starting to get on my nerves, the most recent ones being: * Routerboard 850Gx2 doesn't show master/slave configuration options in webfig (ok this one is minor). * That same routerboard 850Gx2, won't link with a 10Mb/s device at all unless you turn *off* autonegotiation and hard code it 10Mbs. Well, except when you try to replicate it later, in which case it works fine with autonegotiation on. Fine, be that way. Well, until hours later it decides to not link with that exact same 10Mb/s device and you have to set it back to not negotiate. Fortunately, hardcoding the speed seems to always work so I'm leaving it that way. * Disabling advertising speeds seems to be generally non-functional on some devices. Want to negotiate at only 10/100, so turn off 1000M checkboxes? Fine, except the damn thing still autonegotiates at 1000M. And what really set me off this weekend: Remember that RB250GS? Well, I recently upgraded my main development/desktop computer (much faster now, thanks), but am still moving things off my old one. So I want it up to be able to VNC into it. In addition, I have a newly installed Linux machine here as well. The physical hardware for both of these devices are Dell workstations from about the same time period. They both have 10/100 Ethernet cards which have been autonegotiating at 100Mb/s with when plugged into a rb2011 (which has it's own unique issues as well). So this weekend, I decide to move these things off the top of the rd bench to under it. I decide to install that RB250GS under the bench as well to plug them into and give me a couple more spare ports, and so I get it plugged in and linked up to another MikroTik (amazingly this link works just fine), and then hook both dell machines (The Win7 one and the Linux one) to the RB250GS. A few hours later, I copy some stuff from the old Win7 box to my new one. Many gigs of stuff to be specific - something like 40GB or thereabouts. Windows is nicely telling me that it's going to take 'more than a day' and that I'm only transferring at 1MB/s (yeah 10Mb/s). WTF? So I get digging. The (@#*$ 250GS is only linking at 10Mb/s. Check the other machine: 10Mb/s also. Fine. Negotiation issue. Go in, make sure that the port is enabled for 100Mb/s. Yep. Turn off auto, force it to 100Mbs - do the same on the computer end. Links up at 100Mb/s, Yay! Go back, look at the transfer speed. It's gone DOWN? How is that even possible? Oh, yeah the fact that the thing is throwing errors at 100Mbs. Swap cables. Swap Ports. Still no go. Finally grab the end of the cable which is plugged into the 250GS and plug it into a spare port on the RB850Gx2 and it works. 100Mb/s, auto negotiate, transfer speeds of 10Mb/s between the computers. Things transfer just fine. And then... as a final straw, I get a response to a trouble ticket from a customer complaining that they can't get a link with a RB493AH running latish code on any port. No matter what the setting for negotiation is. Why is this even close to acceptable for a manufacturer who should be able to catch this stuff? -forrest
Re: [AFMUG] Forrest's Monday Rant - MikroTik Ethernet Funkyness
My 2011 at home is plagued with negotiation issues as well. It's about to get thrown in the trash. On Mon, Jan 26, 2015 at 5:25 PM, Mike Hammett af...@ics-il.net wrote: It's hard enough to get them to do modern or forward looking things, much less 10 meg things. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions https://twitter.com/ICSIL -- *From: *Forrest Christian (List Account) li...@packetflux.com *To: *af af@afmug.com *Sent: *Monday, January 26, 2015 4:19:52 PM *Subject: *[AFMUG] Forrest's Monday Rant - MikroTik Ethernet Funkyness As many of you have heard, I've had a bit of a irritation for quite some time about Mikrotik's seeming inability to consistently wire their Ethernet ports correctly for 10mb/s operation - specifically paying attention to the correct *polarity* of the wires in the Ethernet pairs. This wreaks havoc with devices which need the correct polarity to work, such as my SiteMonitor Base II's. For instance, every other switchport on the RB250GS Ethernet switch doesn't work. I don't remember if it's 1 3 and 5 which doesn't work, or if it's 2 and 4, but it is definitely every other one. Swapping the wires in one of the pairs fixes the problem, so I'm sure that's the cause. I've tried over the years to get MikroTik to care enough to even acknowledge the issue. Of course, the problem isn't their lack of compliance with the standard, but instead it must be my problem instead, so I've resolved to just dealing with the occasional need to train a customer to try a different port. I should note that as far as I can tell, this isn't a common problem with other switch vendors. In fact, I don't think I have a single non-MikroTik device in my possession which doesn't work with the standard-complying 10Mb/s Ethernet port in the base unit - and I have quite a variety that I've tried. Not sure how MikroTik is so good at getting this not-very-consistently wrong, and everyone else seems to almost always get it right. But, that's not really my rant. It just provides the background. Over the last year or so I've slowly put together the internal network at home and at PacketFlux out of MikroTik devices. Quite frankly, they have a feature set I appreciate, and I can generally overlook the issues, but they're starting to get on my nerves, the most recent ones being: * Routerboard 850Gx2 doesn't show master/slave configuration options in webfig (ok this one is minor). * That same routerboard 850Gx2, won't link with a 10Mb/s device at all unless you turn *off* autonegotiation and hard code it 10Mbs. Well, except when you try to replicate it later, in which case it works fine with autonegotiation on. Fine, be that way. Well, until hours later it decides to not link with that exact same 10Mb/s device and you have to set it back to not negotiate. Fortunately, hardcoding the speed seems to always work so I'm leaving it that way. * Disabling advertising speeds seems to be generally non-functional on some devices. Want to negotiate at only 10/100, so turn off 1000M checkboxes? Fine, except the damn thing still autonegotiates at 1000M. And what really set me off this weekend: Remember that RB250GS? Well, I recently upgraded my main development/desktop computer (much faster now, thanks), but am still moving things off my old one. So I want it up to be able to VNC into it. In addition, I have a newly installed Linux machine here as well. The physical hardware for both of these devices are Dell workstations from about the same time period. They both have 10/100 Ethernet cards which have been autonegotiating at 100Mb/s with when plugged into a rb2011 (which has it's own unique issues as well). So this weekend, I decide to move these things off the top of the rd bench to under it. I decide to install that RB250GS under the bench as well to plug them into and give me a couple more spare ports, and so I get it plugged in and linked up to another MikroTik (amazingly this link works just fine), and then hook both dell machines (The Win7 one and the Linux one) to the RB250GS. A few hours later, I copy some stuff from the old Win7 box to my new one. Many gigs of stuff to be specific - something like 40GB or thereabouts.Windows is nicely telling me that it's going to take 'more than a day' and that I'm only transferring at 1MB/s (yeah 10Mb/s). WTF? So I get digging. The (@#*$ 250GS is only linking at 10Mb/s. Check the other machine: 10Mb/s also. Fine. Negotiation issue. Go in, make sure that the port is enabled for 100Mb/s. Yep. Turn off auto, force it to 100Mbs - do the same on the computer end. Links up at 100Mb/s, Yay! Go back, look at the transfer speed. It's gone
Re: [AFMUG] Forrest's Monday Rant - MikroTik Ethernet Funkyness
It's hard enough to get them to do modern or forward looking things, much less 10 meg things. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Forrest Christian (List Account) li...@packetflux.com To: af af@afmug.com Sent: Monday, January 26, 2015 4:19:52 PM Subject: [AFMUG] Forrest's Monday Rant - MikroTik Ethernet Funkyness As many of you have heard, I've had a bit of a irritation for quite some time about Mikrotik's seeming inability to consistently wire their Ethernet ports correctly for 10mb/s operation - specifically paying attention to the correct *polarity* of the wires in the Ethernet pairs. This wreaks havoc with devices which need the correct polarity to work, such as my SiteMonitor Base II's. For instance, every other switchport on the RB250GS Ethernet switch doesn't work. I don't remember if it's 1 3 and 5 which doesn't work, or if it's 2 and 4, but it is definitely every other one. Swapping the wires in one of the pairs fixes the problem, so I'm sure that's the cause. I've tried over the years to get MikroTik to care enough to even acknowledge the issue. Of course, the problem isn't their lack of compliance with the standard, but instead it must be my problem instead, so I've resolved to just dealing with the occasional need to train a customer to try a different port. I should note that as far as I can tell, this isn't a common problem with other switch vendors. In fact, I don't think I have a single non-MikroTik device in my possession which doesn't work with the standard-complying 10Mb/s Ethernet port in the base unit - and I have quite a variety that I've tried. Not sure how MikroTik is so good at getting this not-very-consistently wrong, and everyone else seems to almost always get it right. But, that's not really my rant. It just provides the background. Over the last year or so I've slowly put together the internal network at home and at PacketFlux out of MikroTik devices. Quite frankly, they have a feature set I appreciate, and I can generally overlook the issues, but they're starting to get on my nerves, the most recent ones being: * Routerboard 850Gx2 doesn't show master/slave configuration options in webfig (ok this one is minor). * That same routerboard 850Gx2, won't link with a 10Mb/s device at all unless you turn *off* autonegotiation and hard code it 10Mbs. Well, except when you try to replicate it later, in which case it works fine with autonegotiation on. Fine, be that way. Well, until hours later it decides to not link with that exact same 10Mb/s device and you have to set it back to not negotiate. Fortunately, hardcoding the speed seems to always work so I'm leaving it that way. * Disabling advertising speeds seems to be generally non-functional on some devices. Want to negotiate at only 10/100, so turn off 1000M checkboxes? Fine, except the damn thing still autonegotiates at 1000M. And what really set me off this weekend: Remember that RB250GS? Well, I recently upgraded my main development/desktop computer (much faster now, thanks), but am still moving things off my old one. So I want it up to be able to VNC into it. In addition, I have a newly installed Linux machine here as well. The physical hardware for both of these devices are Dell workstations from about the same time period. They both have 10/100 Ethernet cards which have been autonegotiating at 100Mb/s with when plugged into a rb2011 (which has it's own unique issues as well). So this weekend, I decide to move these things off the top of the rd bench to under it. I decide to install that RB250GS under the bench as well to plug them into and give me a couple more spare ports, and so I get it plugged in and linked up to another MikroTik (amazingly this link works just fine), and then hook both dell machines (The Win7 one and the Linux one) to the RB250GS. A few hours later, I copy some stuff from the old Win7 box to my new one. Many gigs of stuff to be specific - something like 40GB or thereabouts. Windows is nicely telling me that it's going to take 'more than a day' and that I'm only transferring at 1MB/s (yeah 10Mb/s). WTF? So I get digging. The (@#*$ 250GS is only linking at 10Mb/s. Check the other machine: 10Mb/s also. Fine. Negotiation issue. Go in, make sure that the port is enabled for 100Mb/s. Yep. Turn off auto, force it to 100Mbs - do the same on the computer end. Links up at 100Mb/s, Yay! Go back, look at the transfer speed. It's gone DOWN? How is that even possible? Oh, yeah the fact that the thing is throwing errors at 100Mbs. Swap cables. Swap Ports. Still no go. Finally grab the end of the cable which is plugged into the 250GS and plug it into a spare port on the RB850Gx2 and it works. 100Mb/s, auto negotiate, transfer speeds of 10Mb/s between the computers. Things transfer just fine. And then... as a final straw, I get a response
Re: [AFMUG] Forrest's Monday Rant - MikroTik Ethernet Funkyness
Until just recently it was all about power consumption. When we did the design a few years ago, the 10Mb/s only parts were much cheaper, and had significantly less power consumption (like 1/5th). The power part only recently has changed, like in the last few months. Our power consumption goal is less than 1W, and when the MAC+PHY used to consume 2-3W by itself, that wasn't really an option.Now that a lower-powered 10/100 solution is available to us, we're right now working on what the next sitemonitor base unit will look like both price wise and function wise and will likely be ready to announce something in a few months. Even with the 10/100 version, I *STILL* expect to have negotiation problems with MikroTik :( -forrest On Mon, Jan 26, 2015 at 4:32 PM, That One Guy thatoneguyst...@gmail.com wrote: not to go against the grain of bitching about mikrotik, we plan on moving to them, so im looking forward to bitching about them. But why is it that you use 10mb components? I would figure they cost more at this point in the game, like putting edsel parts in ford escorts On Mon, Jan 26, 2015 at 4:26 PM, Josh Baird joshba...@gmail.com wrote: My 2011 at home is plagued with negotiation issues as well. It's about to get thrown in the trash. On Mon, Jan 26, 2015 at 5:25 PM, Mike Hammett af...@ics-il.net wrote: It's hard enough to get them to do modern or forward looking things, much less 10 meg things. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions https://twitter.com/ICSIL -- *From: *Forrest Christian (List Account) li...@packetflux.com *To: *af af@afmug.com *Sent: *Monday, January 26, 2015 4:19:52 PM *Subject: *[AFMUG] Forrest's Monday Rant - MikroTik Ethernet Funkyness As many of you have heard, I've had a bit of a irritation for quite some time about Mikrotik's seeming inability to consistently wire their Ethernet ports correctly for 10mb/s operation - specifically paying attention to the correct *polarity* of the wires in the Ethernet pairs. This wreaks havoc with devices which need the correct polarity to work, such as my SiteMonitor Base II's. For instance, every other switchport on the RB250GS Ethernet switch doesn't work. I don't remember if it's 1 3 and 5 which doesn't work, or if it's 2 and 4, but it is definitely every other one. Swapping the wires in one of the pairs fixes the problem, so I'm sure that's the cause. I've tried over the years to get MikroTik to care enough to even acknowledge the issue. Of course, the problem isn't their lack of compliance with the standard, but instead it must be my problem instead, so I've resolved to just dealing with the occasional need to train a customer to try a different port. I should note that as far as I can tell, this isn't a common problem with other switch vendors. In fact, I don't think I have a single non-MikroTik device in my possession which doesn't work with the standard-complying 10Mb/s Ethernet port in the base unit - and I have quite a variety that I've tried. Not sure how MikroTik is so good at getting this not-very-consistently wrong, and everyone else seems to almost always get it right. But, that's not really my rant. It just provides the background. Over the last year or so I've slowly put together the internal network at home and at PacketFlux out of MikroTik devices. Quite frankly, they have a feature set I appreciate, and I can generally overlook the issues, but they're starting to get on my nerves, the most recent ones being: * Routerboard 850Gx2 doesn't show master/slave configuration options in webfig (ok this one is minor). * That same routerboard 850Gx2, won't link with a 10Mb/s device at all unless you turn *off* autonegotiation and hard code it 10Mbs. Well, except when you try to replicate it later, in which case it works fine with autonegotiation on. Fine, be that way. Well, until hours later it decides to not link with that exact same 10Mb/s device and you have to set it back to not negotiate. Fortunately, hardcoding the speed seems to always work so I'm leaving it that way. * Disabling advertising speeds seems to be generally non-functional on some devices. Want to negotiate at only 10/100, so turn off 1000M checkboxes? Fine, except the damn thing still autonegotiates at 1000M. And what really set me off this weekend: Remember that RB250GS? Well, I recently upgraded my main development/desktop computer (much faster now, thanks), but am still moving things off my old one. So I want it up to be able to VNC into it. In addition, I have a newly installed Linux machine here as well. The physical hardware for both of these devices are Dell workstations from about the same time period. They both
