Re: [AFMUG] Radios removed by new home owner

[That One Guy /sarcasm]

We send a bill to the former customer, this is part of why were try to have
everyone on autopayment methods, ach or cc, we make contact with the prior
customer to see if they can get it back to us, otherwise we bill them for
it. If they put up much fight we write it off for UBNT type gear, 450 we
will push a little harder for, but at the end of the day it can easily cost
more to force the issue in terms of time and headache. If we can pick up
the new homeowner, its a wash

On Mon, Nov 23, 2015 at 1:08 PM,  wrote:

> I would attempt the reasonable guy approach first.  Contact former
> owner/customer and get their story.  Tell them they are liable.  Get them
> to reason with the new owner if possible.
>
> *From:* Brett A Mansfield 
> *Sent:* Monday, November 23, 2015 12:04 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Radios removed by new home owner
>
> Perhaps not, but I cannot afford to replace 3 radios this just happened
> to. My company is t very big and every single penny counts. Maybe I'll
> enforce my ToS and charge the former customer the radio cost.
>
> Thank you,
> Brett A Mansfield
>
> On Nov 23, 2015, at 11:59 AM, Jason McKemie <
> j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com> wrote:
>
> Let it go, not worth the trouble.
>
> On Mon, Nov 23, 2015 at 12:52 PM, Brett A Mansfield <
> li...@silverlakeinternet.com> wrote:
>
>> What does everyone do when a home they serviced is sold and the new home
>> owner removes the radio and then claims they never saw it?
>>
>> Thank you,
>> Brett A Mansfield
>>
>
>
>


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part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] OT Cats are Christian - Who knew!

[chuck]

I certainly agree with the last paragraph.  Very prevalent in Utah.
But saying someone is a “Good Christian Man” to me just says they attempt to 
live their religion.  

I prefer to deal with and associate with folks that truly attempt to live by 
Christian ideals.  
To me that is just a superset of very ethical people.  Hard to find folks like 
that, irrespective of religion or lack thereof.  


From: Patrick Leary 
Sent: Monday, November 23, 2015 12:05 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Cats are Christian - Who knew!

I’m not offended, but I do want to make a point. 

 

I know a few Christians who meet that definition as well – demons from hell. I 
also know many atheists who act far more Christian than some Christians I know. 
And, since 1999 I’ve worked for businesses run by Jews. I’ve thus known 
countless Jews who are decent “Christ-like” people. I’ve also had the occasion 
to know some Muslims I’d trust with my life (including as a soldier).

 

I always cringe when I hear some version of, “Oh, he’s a good Christian man…,” 
the implication being that means something special and thus anything other than 
Christian is something less, somehow untrustworthy. It is an inherently bigoted 
statement, without even the person saying it realizing it.

 

For me, the very last man I will trust is the one who forwards his claimed 
religion as a reason to trust him. I prefer people who don’t require God 
looking over their shoulder to do the right and ethical thing.

 

Patrick

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of That One Guy /sarcasm
Sent: Monday, November 23, 2015 1:26 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Cats are Christian - Who knew!

 

Cats cannot be Christians as they are incarnations of demons sent from hell.

 

On Mon, Nov 23, 2015 at 12:21 PM, Lewis Bergman  wrote:

  I find it hilarious.I still dislike cats, but now I have an appreciation for 
some of their talents.

   

  On Mon, Nov 23, 2015 at 12:16 PM  wrote:

You go on the list

 

From: That One Guy /sarcasm 

Sent: Monday, November 23, 2015 11:15 AM

To: af@afmug.com 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Cats are Christian - Who knew!

 

I find this offensive

 

On Mon, Nov 23, 2015 at 12:05 PM,  wrote:







 

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part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.





 

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Re: [AFMUG] OT Cats are Christian - Who knew!

[That One Guy /sarcasm]

If you take out # 1, the big 10 doesnt really even have to do with
religion, just being a good person.

I like the cat flood.

This is dangerous times when social media can get law enforcement killed
because somebody is live tweeting a team stacking up outside some jihadist
apartment, or a crack dealer for that matter.

Im still offended

On Mon, Nov 23, 2015 at 1:13 PM,  wrote:

> I certainly agree with the last paragraph.  Very prevalent in Utah.
> But saying someone is a “Good Christian Man” to me just says they attempt
> to live their religion.
>
> I prefer to deal with and associate with folks that truly attempt to live
> by Christian ideals.
> To me that is just a superset of very ethical people.  Hard to find folks
> like that, irrespective of religion or lack thereof.
>
>
> *From:* Patrick Leary 
> *Sent:* Monday, November 23, 2015 12:05 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Cats are Christian - Who knew!
>
>
> I’m not offended, but I do want to make a point.
>
>
>
> I know a few Christians who meet that definition as well – demons from
> hell. I also know many atheists who act far more Christian than some
> Christians I know. And, since 1999 I’ve worked for businesses run by Jews.
> I’ve thus known countless Jews who are decent “Christ-like” people. I’ve
> also had the occasion to know some Muslims I’d trust with my life
> (including as a soldier).
>
>
>
> I always cringe when I hear some version of, “Oh, he’s a good Christian
> man…,” the implication being that means something special and thus anything
> other than Christian is something less, somehow untrustworthy. It is an
> inherently bigoted statement, without even the person saying it realizing
> it.
>
>
>
> For me, the very last man I will trust is the one who forwards his claimed
> religion as a reason to trust him. I prefer people who don’t require God
> looking over their shoulder to do the right and ethical thing.
>
>
>
> Patrick
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *That One Guy
> /sarcasm
> *Sent:* Monday, November 23, 2015 1:26 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Cats are Christian - Who knew!
>
>
>
> Cats cannot be Christians as they are incarnations of demons sent from
> hell.
>
>
>
> On Mon, Nov 23, 2015 at 12:21 PM, Lewis Bergman 
> wrote:
>
> I find it hilarious.I still dislike cats, but now I have an appreciation
> for some of their talents.
>
>
>
> On Mon, Nov 23, 2015 at 12:16 PM  wrote:
>
> You go on the list
>
>
>
> *From:* That One Guy /sarcasm 
>
> *Sent:* Monday, November 23, 2015 11:15 AM
>
> *To:* af@afmug.com
>
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Cats are Christian - Who knew!
>
>
>
> I find this offensive
>
>
>
> On Mon, Nov 23, 2015 at 12:05 PM,  wrote:
>
> [image: Embedded image permalink]
>
>
>
>
>
> --
>
> If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team
> as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
>
>
>
>
>
> --
>
> If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team
> as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
>
>
>
>
>
> 
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Re: [AFMUG] OT Cats are Christian - Who knew!

[Patrick Leary]

Pardon my typos…


-  Patrick

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Patrick Leary
Sent: Monday, November 23, 2015 2:42 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Cats are Christian - Who knew!

Factually not even remotely true. The Paris attack killed many Muslims. The 
attack in Ankara killed almost all Muslims. The attack in Beirut killed a mix, 
mostly Muslim. The mayhem in Iraq and Syria is laying waste almost exclusively 
to Shi’a Muslims, and a few Christians and some Yazidis. Even some Sunni.

Some Christians are even being allowed to live, provided they pay a special tax.

The VAST majority of people killed and targeted by D’aesh are Muslims. The same 
is NOT true of all others who practice a version of Islam that D’aesh rejects. 
It thus labels those people as apostate – people who reject Islam, and for 
apostates, punishment is harsher than pretty much anything else, requiring 
death.

Patrick

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of That One Guy /sarcasm
Sent: Monday, November 23, 2015 2:35 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Cats are Christian - Who knew!

jihadists are targeting primarily Christians, hence the cat defending the 
christians

Though I dont subscribe to their point of view or in any way admire their 
actions, I do have to admire their dedication to their cause, martyrdom is a 
strange beast, they will toss their wives and children into the sea as martyrs 
to garner sympathy when the bodies float up on the beach, That, though terrible 
to me, is admirable from the perspective of the cause.

On Mon, Nov 23, 2015 at 1:20 PM, Patrick Leary 
> wrote:
I am familiar with it Ken. I was on the tweeter feed. Lots of great ones and 
they helped the authorities in a clever way. So what’s any of the cat thing 
have to do with Christians?

Patrick

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf 
Of Ken Hohhof
Sent: Monday, November 23, 2015 2:11 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Cats are Christian - Who knew!

And the point of the news stories was that Belgian officials had asked that 
people not aid the terrorists by reporting on social media where the police 
were searching, so Belgians were flooding Twitter with cat pictures to drown 
out any such posts.


From: Patrick Leary
Sent: Monday, November 23, 2015 1:05 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Cats are Christian - Who knew!

I’m not offended, but I do want to make a point.

I know a few Christians who meet that definition as well – demons from hell. I 
also know many atheists who act far more Christian than some Christians I know. 
And, since 1999 I’ve worked for businesses run by Jews. I’ve thus known 
countless Jews who are decent “Christ-like” people. I’ve also had the occasion 
to know some Muslims I’d trust with my life (including as a soldier).

I always cringe when I hear some version of, “Oh, he’s a good Christian man…,” 
the implication being that means something special and thus anything other than 
Christian is something less, somehow untrustworthy. It is an inherently bigoted 
statement, without even the person saying it realizing it.

For me, the very last man I will trust is the one who forwards his claimed 
religion as a reason to trust him. I prefer people who don’t require God 
looking over their shoulder to do the right and ethical thing.

Patrick

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of That One Guy /sarcasm
Sent: Monday, November 23, 2015 1:26 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Cats are Christian - Who knew!

Cats cannot be Christians as they are incarnations of demons sent from hell.

On Mon, Nov 23, 2015 at 12:21 PM, Lewis Bergman 
> wrote:
I find it hilarious.I still dislike cats, but now I have an appreciation for 
some of their talents.

On Mon, Nov 23, 2015 at 12:16 PM > 
wrote:
You go on the list

From: That One Guy /sarcasm
Sent: Monday, November 23, 2015 11:15 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Cats are Christian - Who knew!

I find this offensive

On Mon, Nov 23, 2015 at 12:05 PM, > 
wrote:
[Embedded image permalink]



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part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.



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[AFMUG] Cold weather glove recommendations

[Jay Weekley]

Winter is approaching in the great white north Alabama and this old mans 
hands don't stand up well to our miserable, cold weather.  What are the 
best gloves for working in the cold but still maintain some kind of 
dexterity for using small tools and drills?

Re: [AFMUG] OT Cats are Christian - Who knew!

[Ken Hohhof]

And the point of the news stories was that Belgian officials had asked that 
people not aid the terrorists by reporting on social media where the police 
were searching, so Belgians were flooding Twitter with cat pictures to drown 
out any such posts.


From: Patrick Leary 
Sent: Monday, November 23, 2015 1:05 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Cats are Christian - Who knew!

I’m not offended, but I do want to make a point. 

 

I know a few Christians who meet that definition as well – demons from hell. I 
also know many atheists who act far more Christian than some Christians I know. 
And, since 1999 I’ve worked for businesses run by Jews. I’ve thus known 
countless Jews who are decent “Christ-like” people. I’ve also had the occasion 
to know some Muslims I’d trust with my life (including as a soldier).

 

I always cringe when I hear some version of, “Oh, he’s a good Christian man…,” 
the implication being that means something special and thus anything other than 
Christian is something less, somehow untrustworthy. It is an inherently bigoted 
statement, without even the person saying it realizing it.

 

For me, the very last man I will trust is the one who forwards his claimed 
religion as a reason to trust him. I prefer people who don’t require God 
looking over their shoulder to do the right and ethical thing.

 

Patrick

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of That One Guy /sarcasm
Sent: Monday, November 23, 2015 1:26 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Cats are Christian - Who knew!

 

Cats cannot be Christians as they are incarnations of demons sent from hell.

 

On Mon, Nov 23, 2015 at 12:21 PM, Lewis Bergman  wrote:

  I find it hilarious.I still dislike cats, but now I have an appreciation for 
some of their talents.

   

  On Mon, Nov 23, 2015 at 12:16 PM  wrote:

You go on the list

 

From: That One Guy /sarcasm 

Sent: Monday, November 23, 2015 11:15 AM

To: af@afmug.com 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Cats are Christian - Who knew!

 

I find this offensive

 

On Mon, Nov 23, 2015 at 12:05 PM,  wrote:







 

-- 

If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as 
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.





 

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part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.





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Re: [AFMUG] OT Cats are Christian - Who knew!

[Patrick Leary]

Truly am not escalating. Just making a point. I’m not bitter or shouting. It’s 
just something I think is not said enough these days.

Patrick

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of That One Guy /sarcasm
Sent: Monday, November 23, 2015 2:10 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Cats are Christian - Who knew!

...that escalated quickly

On Mon, Nov 23, 2015 at 1:05 PM, Patrick Leary 
> wrote:
I’m not offended, but I do want to make a point.

I know a few Christians who meet that definition as well – demons from hell. I 
also know many atheists who act far more Christian than some Christians I know. 
And, since 1999 I’ve worked for businesses run by Jews. I’ve thus known 
countless Jews who are decent “Christ-like” people. I’ve also had the occasion 
to know some Muslims I’d trust with my life (including as a soldier).

I always cringe when I hear some version of, “Oh, he’s a good Christian man…,” 
the implication being that means something special and thus anything other than 
Christian is something less, somehow untrustworthy. It is an inherently bigoted 
statement, without even the person saying it realizing it.

For me, the very last man I will trust is the one who forwards his claimed 
religion as a reason to trust him. I prefer people who don’t require God 
looking over their shoulder to do the right and ethical thing.

Patrick

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf 
Of That One Guy /sarcasm
Sent: Monday, November 23, 2015 1:26 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Cats are Christian - Who knew!

Cats cannot be Christians as they are incarnations of demons sent from hell.

On Mon, Nov 23, 2015 at 12:21 PM, Lewis Bergman 
> wrote:
I find it hilarious.I still dislike cats, but now I have an appreciation for 
some of their talents.

On Mon, Nov 23, 2015 at 12:16 PM > 
wrote:
You go on the list

From: That One Guy /sarcasm
Sent: Monday, November 23, 2015 11:15 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Cats are Christian - Who knew!

I find this offensive

On Mon, Nov 23, 2015 at 12:05 PM, > 
wrote:
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Re: [AFMUG] OT Cats are Christian - Who knew!

[Patrick Leary]

I am familiar with it Ken. I was on the tweeter feed. Lots of great ones and 
they helped the authorities in a clever way. So what’s any of the cat thing 
have to do with Christians?

Patrick

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Ken Hohhof
Sent: Monday, November 23, 2015 2:11 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Cats are Christian - Who knew!

And the point of the news stories was that Belgian officials had asked that 
people not aid the terrorists by reporting on social media where the police 
were searching, so Belgians were flooding Twitter with cat pictures to drown 
out any such posts.


From: Patrick Leary
Sent: Monday, November 23, 2015 1:05 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Cats are Christian - Who knew!

I’m not offended, but I do want to make a point.

I know a few Christians who meet that definition as well – demons from hell. I 
also know many atheists who act far more Christian than some Christians I know. 
And, since 1999 I’ve worked for businesses run by Jews. I’ve thus known 
countless Jews who are decent “Christ-like” people. I’ve also had the occasion 
to know some Muslims I’d trust with my life (including as a soldier).

I always cringe when I hear some version of, “Oh, he’s a good Christian man…,” 
the implication being that means something special and thus anything other than 
Christian is something less, somehow untrustworthy. It is an inherently bigoted 
statement, without even the person saying it realizing it.

For me, the very last man I will trust is the one who forwards his claimed 
religion as a reason to trust him. I prefer people who don’t require God 
looking over their shoulder to do the right and ethical thing.

Patrick

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of That One Guy /sarcasm
Sent: Monday, November 23, 2015 1:26 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Cats are Christian - Who knew!

Cats cannot be Christians as they are incarnations of demons sent from hell.

On Mon, Nov 23, 2015 at 12:21 PM, Lewis Bergman 
> wrote:
I find it hilarious.I still dislike cats, but now I have an appreciation for 
some of their talents.

On Mon, Nov 23, 2015 at 12:16 PM > 
wrote:
You go on the list

From: That One Guy /sarcasm
Sent: Monday, November 23, 2015 11:15 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Cats are Christian - Who knew!

I find this offensive

On Mon, Nov 23, 2015 at 12:05 PM, > 
wrote:
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Re: [AFMUG] Radios removed by new home owner

[Jay Weekley]

Have you contacted the former owner to ask what happened to their radio?.

Brett A Mansfield wrote:
Perhaps not, but I cannot afford to replace 3 radios this just 
happened to. My company is t very big and every single penny counts. 
Maybe I'll enforce my ToS and charge the former customer the radio cost.


Thank you,
Brett A Mansfield

On Nov 23, 2015, at 11:59 AM, Jason McKemie 
> wrote:



Let it go, not worth the trouble.

On Mon, Nov 23, 2015 at 12:52 PM, Brett A Mansfield 
> 
wrote:


What does everyone do when a home they serviced is sold and the
new home owner removes the radio and then claims they never saw it?

Thank you,
Brett A Mansfield

Re: [AFMUG] do you guys install CPE's in the winter time?

[Jay Weekley]

I'm glad I live in Alabama.  I'm miserable in anything under 30 degrees 
unless it's sunny and there is no wind.  I can layer up for any 
temperature but my hands are miserable.


Jeremy wrote:
We work in all weather.  From -18 degrees to 4' of snowhere in 
Utah.  We work rain or shine.  However, it is up to the installer to 
determine if each install is safe or not, and he can reschedule if he 
isn't comfortable.  Usually we work off of a ladder or we get on at 
the peak and 'scoot' along the top straddling the peak.  We wear 
thermals, flannel lined pants, and Carhart coveralls.  If we held up 
installs for weather, we'd never get anything done.


On Mon, Nov 23, 2015 at 9:34 AM, Jay Weekley 
> wrote:


I think he's worried about his rooster.  Must be a big shoe to
hold both his foot and a whole chicken.

Chuck McCown wrote:

Not sure I got the shoe and splinters bit...
*From:* Josh Luthman >
*Sent:* Sunday, November 22, 2015 6:38 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com  >
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] do you guys install CPE's in the winter
time?

A moment with Steve.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340 
Direct: 937-552-2343 
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Nov 22, 2015 8:29 PM, "That One Guy /sarcasm"

>> wrote:

It really depends on the estrogen content of your
installers, When
I was installing there was one time only I didnt go out
and that
was because the boss forced me not to, I had the van
loaded and
was heading out, we had black ice everywhere and it was
negative
dick drop out. But I dressed for the weather and have to
stuff my
cock in my shoe just to avoid picking up splinters on wood
floors.
Fast forward to pussies running the trucks and I kept them in
house last thursday because of the wind, If it "might be"
white
out, they dont go out, if its freezing rain they dont go
out, If
its in the negatives, they tend to not go out, if they
dont have a
fresh tampax in they dont go out.
You kind of need to find the middle ground there
On Sun, Nov 22, 2015 at 7:21 PM, Paul McCall

>> wrote:

We supply plenty of high SPF sunscreen and make sure
the guys
are well hydrated.  Our temperature cut-off is about 95
degrees.  Anything above that and the install would
have to wait

:)

/ducking

-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com

>] On Behalf Of Tim Reichhart
Sent: Saturday, November 21, 2015 2:14 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
>
Subject: [AFMUG] do you guys install CPE's in the
winter time?

Do any of you guys in the winter time install CPE's? If so
what is your temperature cut off time and what you
wear during
the install?







-- If you only see yourself as part of the team but
you don't see
your team as part of yourself you have already failed as
part of
the team.

Re: [AFMUG] OT Cats are Christian - Who knew!

[That One Guy /sarcasm]

jihadists are targeting primarily Christians, hence the cat defending the
christians

Though I dont subscribe to their point of view or in any way admire their
actions, I do have to admire their dedication to their cause, martyrdom is
a strange beast, they will toss their wives and children into the sea as
martyrs to garner sympathy when the bodies float up on the beach, That,
though terrible to me, is admirable from the perspective of the cause.

On Mon, Nov 23, 2015 at 1:20 PM, Patrick Leary 
wrote:

> I am familiar with it Ken. I was on the tweeter feed. Lots of great ones
> and they helped the authorities in a clever way. So what’s any of the cat
> thing have to do with Christians?
>
>
>
> Patrick
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Ken Hohhof
> *Sent:* Monday, November 23, 2015 2:11 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Cats are Christian - Who knew!
>
>
>
> And the point of the news stories was that Belgian officials had asked
> that people not aid the terrorists by reporting on social media where the
> police were searching, so Belgians were flooding Twitter with cat pictures
> to drown out any such posts.
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Patrick Leary 
>
> *Sent:* Monday, November 23, 2015 1:05 PM
>
> *To:* af@afmug.com
>
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Cats are Christian - Who knew!
>
>
>
> I’m not offended, but I do want to make a point.
>
>
>
> I know a few Christians who meet that definition as well – demons from
> hell. I also know many atheists who act far more Christian than some
> Christians I know. And, since 1999 I’ve worked for businesses run by Jews.
> I’ve thus known countless Jews who are decent “Christ-like” people. I’ve
> also had the occasion to know some Muslims I’d trust with my life
> (including as a soldier).
>
>
>
> I always cringe when I hear some version of, “Oh, he’s a good Christian
> man…,” the implication being that means something special and thus anything
> other than Christian is something less, somehow untrustworthy. It is an
> inherently bigoted statement, without even the person saying it realizing
> it.
>
>
>
> For me, the very last man I will trust is the one who forwards his claimed
> religion as a reason to trust him. I prefer people who don’t require God
> looking over their shoulder to do the right and ethical thing.
>
>
>
> Patrick
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] *On
> Behalf Of *That One Guy /sarcasm
> *Sent:* Monday, November 23, 2015 1:26 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Cats are Christian - Who knew!
>
>
>
> Cats cannot be Christians as they are incarnations of demons sent from
> hell.
>
>
>
> On Mon, Nov 23, 2015 at 12:21 PM, Lewis Bergman 
> wrote:
>
> I find it hilarious.I still dislike cats, but now I have an appreciation
> for some of their talents.
>
>
>
> On Mon, Nov 23, 2015 at 12:16 PM  wrote:
>
> You go on the list
>
>
>
> *From:* That One Guy /sarcasm 
>
> *Sent:* Monday, November 23, 2015 11:15 AM
>
> *To:* af@afmug.com
>
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Cats are Christian - Who knew!
>
>
>
> I find this offensive
>
>
>
> On Mon, Nov 23, 2015 at 12:05 PM,  wrote:
>
> [image: Embedded image permalink]
>
>
>
>
>
> --
>
> If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team
> as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
>
>
>
>
>
> --
>
> If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team
> as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
>
>
>
>
>
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Re: [AFMUG] OT Cats are Christian - Who knew!

[Patrick Leary]

Factually not even remotely true. The Paris attack killed many Muslims. The 
attack in Ankara killed almost all Muslims. The attack in Beirut killed a mix, 
mostly Muslim. The mayhem in Iraq and Syria is laying waste almost exclusively 
to Shi’a Muslims, and a few Christians and some Yazidis. Even some Sunni.

Some Christians are even being allowed to live, provided they pay a special tax.

The VAST majority of people killed and targeted by D’aesh are Muslims. The same 
is NOT true of all others who practice a version of Islam that D’aesh rejects. 
It thus labels those people as apostate – people who reject Islam, and for 
apostates, punishment is harsher than pretty much anything else, requiring 
death.

Patrick

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of That One Guy /sarcasm
Sent: Monday, November 23, 2015 2:35 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Cats are Christian - Who knew!

jihadists are targeting primarily Christians, hence the cat defending the 
christians

Though I dont subscribe to their point of view or in any way admire their 
actions, I do have to admire their dedication to their cause, martyrdom is a 
strange beast, they will toss their wives and children into the sea as martyrs 
to garner sympathy when the bodies float up on the beach, That, though terrible 
to me, is admirable from the perspective of the cause.

On Mon, Nov 23, 2015 at 1:20 PM, Patrick Leary 
> wrote:
I am familiar with it Ken. I was on the tweeter feed. Lots of great ones and 
they helped the authorities in a clever way. So what’s any of the cat thing 
have to do with Christians?

Patrick

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf 
Of Ken Hohhof
Sent: Monday, November 23, 2015 2:11 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Cats are Christian - Who knew!

And the point of the news stories was that Belgian officials had asked that 
people not aid the terrorists by reporting on social media where the police 
were searching, so Belgians were flooding Twitter with cat pictures to drown 
out any such posts.


From: Patrick Leary
Sent: Monday, November 23, 2015 1:05 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Cats are Christian - Who knew!

I’m not offended, but I do want to make a point.

I know a few Christians who meet that definition as well – demons from hell. I 
also know many atheists who act far more Christian than some Christians I know. 
And, since 1999 I’ve worked for businesses run by Jews. I’ve thus known 
countless Jews who are decent “Christ-like” people. I’ve also had the occasion 
to know some Muslims I’d trust with my life (including as a soldier).

I always cringe when I hear some version of, “Oh, he’s a good Christian man…,” 
the implication being that means something special and thus anything other than 
Christian is something less, somehow untrustworthy. It is an inherently bigoted 
statement, without even the person saying it realizing it.

For me, the very last man I will trust is the one who forwards his claimed 
religion as a reason to trust him. I prefer people who don’t require God 
looking over their shoulder to do the right and ethical thing.

Patrick

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of That One Guy /sarcasm
Sent: Monday, November 23, 2015 1:26 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Cats are Christian - Who knew!

Cats cannot be Christians as they are incarnations of demons sent from hell.

On Mon, Nov 23, 2015 at 12:21 PM, Lewis Bergman 
> wrote:
I find it hilarious.I still dislike cats, but now I have an appreciation for 
some of their talents.

On Mon, Nov 23, 2015 at 12:16 PM > 
wrote:
You go on the list

From: That One Guy /sarcasm
Sent: Monday, November 23, 2015 11:15 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Cats are Christian - Who knew!

I find this offensive

On Mon, Nov 23, 2015 at 12:05 PM, > 
wrote:
[Embedded image permalink]



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Re: [AFMUG] Radios removed by new home owner

[Sam Lambie]

Eat the cost and reinstall it. Too much trouble to prove who did what.

On Mon, Nov 23, 2015 at 11:52 AM, Brett A Mansfield <
li...@silverlakeinternet.com> wrote:

> What does everyone do when a home they serviced is sold and the new home
> owner removes the radio and then claims they never saw it?
>
> Thank you,
> Brett A Mansfield
>



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Taosnet Wireless Tech.
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www.Taosnet.com 

Re: [AFMUG] OT Cats are Christian - Who knew!

[That One Guy /sarcasm]

I find this offensive

On Mon, Nov 23, 2015 at 12:05 PM,  wrote:

> [image: Embedded image permalink]
>



-- 
If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] OT Cats are Christian - Who knew!

[chuck]

You go on the list

From: That One Guy /sarcasm 
Sent: Monday, November 23, 2015 11:15 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Cats are Christian - Who knew!

I find this offensive

On Mon, Nov 23, 2015 at 12:05 PM,  wrote:






-- 

If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as 
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] OT Cats are Christian - Who knew!

[Lewis Bergman]

I find it hilarious.I still dislike cats, but now I have an appreciation
for some of their talents.

On Mon, Nov 23, 2015 at 12:16 PM  wrote:

> You go on the list
>
> *From:* That One Guy /sarcasm 
> *Sent:* Monday, November 23, 2015 11:15 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Cats are Christian - Who knew!
>
> I find this offensive
>
> On Mon, Nov 23, 2015 at 12:05 PM,  wrote:
>
>> [image: Embedded image permalink]
>>
>
>
>
> --
> If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team
> as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
>

[AFMUG] OT Cats are Christian - Who knew!

[chuck]

Re: [AFMUG] OT Cats are Christian - Who knew!

[That One Guy /sarcasm]

Cats cannot be Christians as they are incarnations of demons sent from hell.

On Mon, Nov 23, 2015 at 12:21 PM, Lewis Bergman 
wrote:

> I find it hilarious.I still dislike cats, but now I have an appreciation
> for some of their talents.
>
> On Mon, Nov 23, 2015 at 12:16 PM  wrote:
>
>> You go on the list
>>
>> *From:* That One Guy /sarcasm 
>> *Sent:* Monday, November 23, 2015 11:15 AM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Cats are Christian - Who knew!
>>
>> I find this offensive
>>
>> On Mon, Nov 23, 2015 at 12:05 PM,  wrote:
>>
>>> [image: Embedded image permalink]
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team
>> as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
>>
>


-- 
If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] Cold weather glove recommendations

[That One Guy /sarcasm]

If you know anybody who works for the railroad, wells lamont RN#84730 is on
the interior tag, but they have a leaher shell and orange reflective,
theyre heavy, but you can work a small nut with them on easily its got a
second tag 688 521950B

On Mon, Nov 23, 2015 at 1:46 PM, Jay Weekley 
wrote:

> Winter is approaching in the great white north Alabama and this old mans
> hands don't stand up well to our miserable, cold weather.  What are the
> best gloves for working in the cold but still maintain some kind of
> dexterity for using small tools and drills?
>



-- 
If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] FTP Client Recommendation

[D. Ryan Spott]

WinSCP does all of these things... except scheduling. Need to use 
windows to do that for you.


ryan


On 11/23/15 7:43 AM, Wireless Administrator wrote:


Can anyone recommend a quality FTP Client with the following features?

Windows based

Scripting

Scheduling

SFTP/FTPS

Does not have to be Free.

Thanks,

Steve




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broadband | telco | colo | communities
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425-939-0047

Re: [AFMUG] FTP Client Recommendation

[Wireless Administrator]

Thanks for the input Guys ...

 

Steve

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Wireless Administrator
Sent: Monday, November 23, 2015 10:43 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] FTP Client Recommendation

 

Can anyone recommend a quality FTP Client with the following features?

 

Windows based

Scripting

Scheduling

SFTP/FTPS

 

Does not have to be Free.

 

Thanks,

Steve

Re: [AFMUG] Cold weather glove recommendations

[Jaime Solorza]

The bow hunter  ones I brought last year have been great.   I am going to
get another pair.   I used today on tower climb.   I will get you a picture
in a bit..
On Nov 23, 2015 12:46 PM, "Jay Weekley"  wrote:

> Winter is approaching in the great white north Alabama and this old mans
> hands don't stand up well to our miserable, cold weather.  What are the
> best gloves for working in the cold but still maintain some kind of
> dexterity for using small tools and drills?
>

Re: [AFMUG] do you guys install CPE's in the winter time?

[Paul Stewart]

Same here ... 

Having said that, years ago I travelled to Resolute 
(https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Resolute,_Nunavut) where, like most extreme 
northern communities, at -50C everything shuts down.  So if you're thinking you 
had it bad for extreme cold - think about these folks :)

-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Keefe John
Sent: Sunday, November 22, 2015 9:05 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] do you guys install CPE's in the winter time?

Nothing stops us.

On 11/21/2015 1:13 PM, Tim Reichhart wrote:
> Do any of you guys in the winter time install CPE's? If so what is your 
> temperature cut off time and what you wear during the install?
>
>
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] OT: Vmware Vs Xen

[Jon Bruce]

+1

On 11/20/2015 7:30 PM, SmarterBroadband wrote:


Plex

*From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *David
*Sent:* Friday, November 20, 2015 9:34 AM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: Vmware Vs Xen

I have a Media Center on freenas and a Web server but I also need some 
space to development on distros and some extensive perl coding.
My media centre is accessible from anywhere but I have been needing to 
move into a more vituralized environment instead of

having to keep old nas boxes laying around and continuing to repair them.
 MythTV rulz LOL
I now have over 16TB of movies on my system and the ripping software 
has got much better over time so I am going back to
some older shows and reproducing them to a higher quality. Music has 
got better on ripping also.

 My issue is having to tag all these things.

On 11/20/2015 11:21 AM, Sterling Jacobson wrote:

I’ve thought about KVM host.

But since I keep my windows 10 desktop on all the time I’m going
to just experiment with Microsoft VM stuff.

My goal this year was to remove all but one computers in my house,
except the mobile/laptops.

I’m almost there.

I have one Windows box running four stations that my kids use for
gaming and homework.

And I have my box.

I’m transitioning my backup from WHS 2011 to just some disks
hanging off my Nighthawk router now.

*From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *David
*Sent:* Friday, November 20, 2015 10:14 AM
*To:* Animal Farm  
*Subject:* [AFMUG] OT: Vmware Vs Xen

I am doing a home brew vmhost at home and I am tossing around
using XEN vs Vmware like I use at the office.
From what I gather of Xen alot is done within the CLI but I am
looking for a client like VMware host client that will
give me the gui interface to manage host on XEN

Any ideas or thoughts are welcome

-- 

Re: [AFMUG] OT: Vmware Vs Xen

[David]

I believe Plex uses MythTV for the video streaming portion of that APP 
does it not?



On 11/23/2015 07:26 AM, Jon Bruce wrote:

+1

On 11/20/2015 7:30 PM, SmarterBroadband wrote:


Plex

*From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *David
*Sent:* Friday, November 20, 2015 9:34 AM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: Vmware Vs Xen

I have a Media Center on freenas and a Web server but I also need 
some space to development on distros and some extensive perl coding.
My media centre is accessible from anywhere but I have been needing 
to move into a more vituralized environment instead of

having to keep old nas boxes laying around and continuing to repair them.
 MythTV rulz LOL
I now have over 16TB of movies on my system and the ripping software 
has got much better over time so I am going back to
some older shows and reproducing them to a higher quality. Music has 
got better on ripping also.

 My issue is having to tag all these things.

On 11/20/2015 11:21 AM, Sterling Jacobson wrote:

I’ve thought about KVM host.

But since I keep my windows 10 desktop on all the time I’m going
to just experiment with Microsoft VM stuff.

My goal this year was to remove all but one computers in my
house, except the mobile/laptops.

I’m almost there.

I have one Windows box running four stations that my kids use for
gaming and homework.

And I have my box.

I’m transitioning my backup from WHS 2011 to just some disks
hanging off my Nighthawk router now.

*From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *David
*Sent:* Friday, November 20, 2015 10:14 AM
*To:* Animal Farm  
*Subject:* [AFMUG] OT: Vmware Vs Xen

I am doing a home brew vmhost at home and I am tossing around
using XEN vs Vmware like I use at the office.
From what I gather of Xen alot is done within the CLI but I am
looking for a client like VMware host client that will
give me the gui interface to manage host on XEN

Any ideas or thoughts are welcome

-- 

[AFMUG] 900 sub uptime

[David]

Anyone else have any canopy subs ben up this long..

I guess she has this thing on a UPS or a whole home genny.


   Device Information

Device Type :   
900MHz - Subscriber Module - 0a-00-3e-90-6b-6c
Software Version :  
CANOPY 13.1.3 SM-DES
Software Boot Version : 
CANOPYBOOT 4.0
Board Type :
P9
FPGA Version :  
101410
Uptime :
*1y, 23d, 01:08:08*
System Time :   
17:34:42 05/23/2011 UTC
Ethernet Interface :
100Base-TX Full Duplex
Antenna Type :  
External
Temperature :   
28 °C / 83 °F



--

Re: [AFMUG] OT. Unit One. Danish detective show

[Daniel White]

First time I went to Latvia I was shocked at how much of the music was the same 
stuff playing here.  Then lots of songs in other languages… French, Swedish, 
Russian, German, etc.  In Europe at least, the language the song is in doesn’t 
really matter it seems (even if you don’t speak the language).



Same experience in Rome and Germany as well.



YMMV



Thank you,



Daniel White

  afmu...@gmail.com

Cell: +1 (303) 746-3590

Skype: danieldwhite
Social:   LinkedIn:  
 Twitter



From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jaime Solorza
Sent: Sunday, November 22, 2015 8:13 PM
To: Animal Farm 
Subject: [AFMUG] OT. Unit One. Danish detective show



I have been watching this Danish program for a few weeks What puzzles me is 
that in bar, club or bedroom sex settings music is always in English... Is this 
the way series was filmed or did they replaced it for an American audience?  I 
don't think so but maybe some you worldly folks know.  Good line...this is 
Denmark not US, we don't make deals with criminals



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Re: [AFMUG] rooter?

[chuck]

Yeah, I have heard of guys using an autorooter...
I think those are from clogged drains.  

From: Jeff Broadwick - Lists 
Sent: Monday, November 23, 2015 3:33 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] rooter?

Not if you are in the UK.

Jeff Broadwick 
ConVergence Technologies, Inc.
312-205-2519 Office
574-220-7826 Cell
jbroadw...@converge-tech.com

On Nov 23, 2015, at 5:12 PM,   wrote:


  Route 66  is pronounced root 66.
  Routing a circuit board is r-outing.

  From: Brett A Mansfield 
  Sent: Monday, November 23, 2015 2:40 PM
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] rooter?

  I have a good friend from their. They always call it the root you take, so it 
makes sense that if the device is determining the "root" the packets should 
take, then it's a rooter. Haha. It does sound very funny to me. 

  If you have kids that watch Thomas the train, they call sir topem hat "the 
fat controller". 

  Thank you, 
  Brett A Mansfield

  On Nov 23, 2015, at 2:34 PM, That One Guy /sarcasm 
 wrote:


im watching a video on mpls by some British fellow, he pronounces router as 
rooter, is this the case on the other side of the pond? Is there a true 
pronunciation or is it just a matter of regional dialect?


-- 

If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as 
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] Cambium 450i

[Sam Lambie]

So am I reading that the 450i AP is compatible with the 450 SM's?

On Wed, Oct 7, 2015 at 11:08 AM, Joe Falaschi  wrote:

> +1 on the dynamic filtering.  We have yet to really realize how helpful it
> is or not but from what we're told it should help tremendously on the
> upload if the AP is in a high noise environment.
>
> Joe
>
>
> On Oct 6, 2015, at 1:48 PM, Daniel White wrote:
>
> Exactly.
>
> At some point I’m sure the 450i will be required to take advantage of
> additional features… right now to me the major benefit is the dynamic
> filtering and expanded frequency range.
>
> Thank you,
>
> Daniel White
> afmu...@gmail.com
> Cell: +1 (303) 746-3590
> Skype: danieldwhite
> Social: LinkedIn : Twitter
> 
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Josh Luthman
> *Sent:* Tuesday, October 6, 2015 2:12 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Cambium 450i
>
> Just going off what the webinar/demo customer said the 450i AP simply
> improves things as a drop in replacement.  For newer AP it makes sense, for
> replacing and APs he did it with great improvements - but it doesn't sound
> like a good business case if the device is already generating revenue and
> working.
>
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
> On Tue, Oct 6, 2015 at 1:52 PM, Ken Hohhof  wrote:
>
> Are people intending to deploy the 450i for the additional frequencies, or
> other reasons?  What about the 450D, what itch does that scratch for you,
> or do you just dislike reflector dishes?
>
> Before stocking 2 more types of equipment, I’m looking for ideas what
> other people are using these for.  Like that tool you see in a catalog and
> wonder what it’s good for until you see someone else using it for something
> and go wow, I’ve got to get me one of those.
>
>
> *From:* Josh Luthman 
> *Sent:* Tuesday, October 06, 2015 12:27 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Cambium 450i
>
> Some people have.  Not me personally.  Did you see the webinar?
>
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
> On Tue, Oct 6, 2015 at 1:25 PM, Matt  wrote:
>
> Anyone deployed any 450i AP's yet?
>
>
>
>
>
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Re: [AFMUG] rooter?

[chuck]

Route 66  is pronounced root 66.
Routing a circuit board is r-outing.

From: Brett A Mansfield 
Sent: Monday, November 23, 2015 2:40 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] rooter?

I have a good friend from their. They always call it the root you take, so it 
makes sense that if the device is determining the "root" the packets should 
take, then it's a rooter. Haha. It does sound very funny to me. 

If you have kids that watch Thomas the train, they call sir topem hat "the fat 
controller". 

Thank you, 
Brett A Mansfield

On Nov 23, 2015, at 2:34 PM, That One Guy /sarcasm  
wrote:


  im watching a video on mpls by some British fellow, he pronounces router as 
rooter, is this the case on the other side of the pond? Is there a true 
pronunciation or is it just a matter of regional dialect?


  -- 

  If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as 
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] rooter?

[Ken Hohhof]

Only because of that song.

And here if you want your mail delivered, you refer to “US Highway ABC” or 
“State Route XYZ”.  If you just say Route 23, the assumption is SR23, not US23. 
 And it’s “rowt”.

Don’t pay any attention to those Brits.  Look how they pronounce 
“Worcestershire”.  Can’t even pronounce their own language.


From: ch...@wbmfg.com 
Sent: Monday, November 23, 2015 4:12 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] rooter?

Route 66  is pronounced root 66.
Routing a circuit board is r-outing.

From: Brett A Mansfield 
Sent: Monday, November 23, 2015 2:40 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] rooter?

I have a good friend from their. They always call it the root you take, so it 
makes sense that if the device is determining the "root" the packets should 
take, then it's a rooter. Haha. It does sound very funny to me. 

If you have kids that watch Thomas the train, they call sir topem hat "the fat 
controller". 

Thank you, 
Brett A Mansfield

On Nov 23, 2015, at 2:34 PM, That One Guy /sarcasm  
wrote:


  im watching a video on mpls by some British fellow, he pronounces router as 
rooter, is this the case on the other side of the pond? Is there a true 
pronunciation or is it just a matter of regional dialect?


  -- 

  If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as 
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] Fiber patch cable: LFNC v Outdoor

[Eric Kuhnke]

Some licensed band radios like Bridgewave come with a 3/4" or 1" liquid
tight non metallic conduit fitting on the radio head itself. It's just a
circular hole in the radio body so you can install your own conduit fitting
for another type of fitting or a gland if desired.  I typically use duplex
3.0mm armored (coiled steel) 9/125 G.652.D LC patch cables inside the
liquidtight. This stuff:

http://www.ecablemart.com/armored_patch_cord/listing/?cable=Duplex_a=LC=9%2F125%20OS2%20Singlemode_b=SC


Other radios like the Siklu 1200F have their own much smaller rubber gland
and compression fitting, in which case it's way too small to use
liquidtight flex conduit, so you do want a weatherproof armored patch cable
that has its jacket directly exposed to the elements.



On Mon, Nov 23, 2015 at 11:02 AM, Scott Vander Dussen 
wrote:

> For connecting radios to fiber enclosure (both tower-mounted), is there a
> benefit to using an indoor fiber patch cable inside LFNC (Liquidtight
> Flexible Non-Metallic Conduit) as opposed to an outdoor-rated fiber patch
> cable with a strain relief or cord grip connector at the radio?
>
> http://www.aifittings.com/catalog/cord-grips/
>

Re: [AFMUG] rooter?

[Ken Hohhof]

I wonder how they pronounce it in Australia and New Zealand, where “rooter” has 
another meaning.

From: Brett A Mansfield 
Sent: Monday, November 23, 2015 3:40 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] rooter?

I have a good friend from their. They always call it the root you take, so it 
makes sense that if the device is determining the "root" the packets should 
take, then it's a rooter. Haha. It does sound very funny to me. 

If you have kids that watch Thomas the train, they call sir topem hat "the fat 
controller". 

Thank you, 
Brett A Mansfield

On Nov 23, 2015, at 2:34 PM, That One Guy /sarcasm  
wrote:


  im watching a video on mpls by some British fellow, he pronounces router as 
rooter, is this the case on the other side of the pond? Is there a true 
pronunciation or is it just a matter of regional dialect?


  -- 

  If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as 
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] Cambium 450i

[Sean Heskett]

correct.  from the 14.1.1(build8) release notes:


   - PMP 450i APs Interoperate with 450i SMs, 450 SMs and 430 SMs in the
   same sector
   - PMP 450 APs Interoperate with 450 SMs, 450i SMs and 430 SMs in the
   same sector
   - PMP 450i Legacy mode option (for 450 SMs running software older than
   13.3 and  430 SMs running SW older than 13.4.1)


On Mon, Nov 23, 2015 at 3:13 PM, Sam Lambie  wrote:

> So am I reading that the 450i AP is compatible with the 450 SM's?
>
> On Wed, Oct 7, 2015 at 11:08 AM, Joe Falaschi  wrote:
>
>> +1 on the dynamic filtering.  We have yet to really realize how helpful
>> it is or not but from what we're told it should help tremendously on the
>> upload if the AP is in a high noise environment.
>>
>> Joe
>>
>>
>> On Oct 6, 2015, at 1:48 PM, Daniel White wrote:
>>
>> Exactly.
>>
>> At some point I’m sure the 450i will be required to take advantage of
>> additional features… right now to me the major benefit is the dynamic
>> filtering and expanded frequency range.
>>
>> Thank you,
>>
>> Daniel White
>> afmu...@gmail.com
>> Cell: +1 (303) 746-3590
>> Skype: danieldwhite
>> Social: LinkedIn : Twitter
>> 
>>
>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Josh Luthman
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, October 6, 2015 2:12 PM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Cambium 450i
>>
>> Just going off what the webinar/demo customer said the 450i AP simply
>> improves things as a drop in replacement.  For newer AP it makes sense, for
>> replacing and APs he did it with great improvements - but it doesn't sound
>> like a good business case if the device is already generating revenue and
>> working.
>>
>>
>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340
>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
>>
>> On Tue, Oct 6, 2015 at 1:52 PM, Ken Hohhof  wrote:
>>
>> Are people intending to deploy the 450i for the additional frequencies,
>> or other reasons?  What about the 450D, what itch does that scratch for
>> you, or do you just dislike reflector dishes?
>>
>> Before stocking 2 more types of equipment, I’m looking for ideas what
>> other people are using these for.  Like that tool you see in a catalog and
>> wonder what it’s good for until you see someone else using it for something
>> and go wow, I’ve got to get me one of those.
>>
>>
>> *From:* Josh Luthman 
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, October 06, 2015 12:27 PM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Cambium 450i
>>
>> Some people have.  Not me personally.  Did you see the webinar?
>>
>>
>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340
>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
>>
>> On Tue, Oct 6, 2015 at 1:25 PM, Matt  wrote:
>>
>> Anyone deployed any 450i AP's yet?
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> [image: Avast logo] 
>>
>> This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software.
>> www.avast.com 
>>
>>
>>
>
>
> --
> --
> *Sam Lambie*
> Taosnet Wireless Tech.
> 575-758-7598 Office
> www.Taosnet.com 
>

Re: [AFMUG] rooter?

[Jeff Broadwick - Lists]

Not if you are in the UK.

Jeff Broadwick
ConVergence Technologies, Inc.
312-205-2519 Office
574-220-7826 Cell
jbroadw...@converge-tech.com

> On Nov 23, 2015, at 5:12 PM,   wrote:
> 
> Route 66  is pronounced root 66.
> Routing a circuit board is r-outing.
>  
> From: Brett A Mansfield
> Sent: Monday, November 23, 2015 2:40 PM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] rooter?
>  
> I have a good friend from their. They always call it the root you take, so it 
> makes sense that if the device is determining the "root" the packets should 
> take, then it's a rooter. Haha. It does sound very funny to me.
>  
> If you have kids that watch Thomas the train, they call sir topem hat "the 
> fat controller". 
> 
> Thank you,
> Brett A Mansfield
> 
>> On Nov 23, 2015, at 2:34 PM, That One Guy /sarcasm 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> im watching a video on mpls by some British fellow, he pronounces router as 
>> rooter, is this the case on the other side of the pond? Is there a true 
>> pronunciation or is it just a matter of regional dialect?
>>  
>> -- 
>> If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as 
>> part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] First AF2 install

[Josh Luthman]

We have green plans.

Or will in 6 months...

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Nov 23, 2015 11:33 PM, "Jaime Solorza"  wrote:

> It's at edge of Horizon citylots of desert...but we have mountains...
> YOU don't...SAS
> On Nov 23, 2015 9:14 PM, "Josh Luthman" 
> wrote:
>
>> Looks kinda dead.
>>
>>
>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340
>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
>>
>> On Mon, Nov 23, 2015 at 11:12 PM, Jaime Solorza <
>> losguyswirel...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> OK. Jaime O Josh 1two chains...my office this afternoon...
>>> On Nov 23, 2015 8:34 PM, "Jaime Solorza" 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Halet me ask ground crew...
 On Nov 23, 2015 8:27 PM, "Josh Luthman" 
 wrote:

> Who's doubling the budget here, Mr. Politician?
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
> On Nov 23, 2015 10:22 PM, "Jaime Solorza" 
> wrote:
>
>> Well this one is special...so there ...stop stating facts ...its
>> incongruous with what politicians say all day
>> On Nov 23, 2015 8:20 PM, "Josh Luthman" 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Pretty sure both are 2 chains...
>>>
>>> Josh Luthman
>>> Office: 937-552-2340
>>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>>> 1100 Wayne St
>>> Suite 1337
>>> Troy, OH 45373
>>> On Nov 23, 2015 10:18 PM, "Jaime Solorza" 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Huh?  The guy down at com room said 4 chains...I have seen the AF2
 screen Hater!
 On Nov 23, 2015 8:06 PM, "Josh Luthman" <
 j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> wrote:

> 5x is two chains...
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
> On Nov 23, 2015 9:54 PM, "Jaime Solorza" <
> losguyswirel...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Tomorrow I will be installing my first Mimosa ptp off same water
>> tank ...
>> On Nov 23, 2015 7:46 PM, "Jaime Solorza" <
>> losguyswirel...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> -48 on all 4 chainspassing steady 95mbps at 7 miles
>>>
>>
>>

Re: [AFMUG] rooter?

[Chuck McCown]

I think Mark Twain used chimbley.

From: Ken Hohhof 
Sent: Monday, November 23, 2015 5:15 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] rooter?

We used to make fun of our cousins from Indiana who drank “melk”.

And my in-laws from Ohio say chimley and sammich and panacake and mater and 
pronounce the “s” in Illinois.

And my grandmother grew up in Iowa and washed dishes in the “zinc”.


From: ch...@wbmfg.com 
Sent: Monday, November 23, 2015 5:49 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] rooter?

Warshing powder is used in Missoura 

From: Jason McKemie 
Sent: Monday, November 23, 2015 4:47 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] rooter?

I pronounce route 66 as route 66...not root 66. I'm certainly aware that many 
people do say it that way, but it is a mispronunciation - much like saying 
warsh in place of wash.

On Monday, November 23, 2015,  wrote:

  Route 66  is pronounced root 66.
  Routing a circuit board is r-outing.

  From: Brett A Mansfield 
  Sent: Monday, November 23, 2015 2:40 PM
  To: javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','af@afmug.com'); 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] rooter?

  I have a good friend from their. They always call it the root you take, so it 
makes sense that if the device is determining the "root" the packets should 
take, then it's a rooter. Haha. It does sound very funny to me. 

  If you have kids that watch Thomas the train, they call sir topem hat "the 
fat controller". 

  Thank you, 
  Brett A Mansfield

  On Nov 23, 2015, at 2:34 PM, That One Guy /sarcasm 
 wrote:


im watching a video on mpls by some British fellow, he pronounces router as 
rooter, is this the case on the other side of the pond? Is there a true 
pronunciation or is it just a matter of regional dialect?


-- 

If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as 
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] rooter?

[Jaime Solorza]

Round here ...they put an eh sound.   e.g. spoon is ehspoon.Josh's
favorite would be Estar Guars ...
Star Wars
On Nov 23, 2015 9:40 PM, "Chuck McCown"  wrote:

> I think Mark Twain used chimbley.
>
> *From:* Ken Hohhof 
> *Sent:* Monday, November 23, 2015 5:15 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] rooter?
>
> We used to make fun of our cousins from Indiana who drank “melk”.
>
> And my in-laws from Ohio say chimley and sammich and panacake and mater
> and pronounce the “s” in Illinois.
>
> And my grandmother grew up in Iowa and washed dishes in the “zinc”.
>
>
> *From:* ch...@wbmfg.com
> *Sent:* Monday, November 23, 2015 5:49 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] rooter?
>
> Warshing powder is used in Missoura
>
> *From:* Jason McKemie 
> *Sent:* Monday, November 23, 2015 4:47 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] rooter?
>
> I pronounce route 66 as route 66...not root 66. I'm certainly aware that
> many people do say it that way, but it is a mispronunciation - much like
> saying warsh in place of wash.
>
> On Monday, November 23, 2015,  wrote:
>
>> Route 66  is pronounced root 66.
>> Routing a circuit board is r-outing.
>>
>> *From:* Brett A Mansfield
>> *Sent:* Monday, November 23, 2015 2:40 PM
>> *To:* javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','af@afmug.com');
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] rooter?
>>
>> I have a good friend from their. They always call it the root you take,
>> so it makes sense that if the device is determining the "root" the packets
>> should take, then it's a rooter. Haha. It does sound very funny to me.
>>
>> If you have kids that watch Thomas the train, they call sir topem hat
>> "the fat controller".
>>
>> Thank you,
>> Brett A Mansfield
>>
>> On Nov 23, 2015, at 2:34 PM, That One Guy /sarcasm <
>> javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','thatoneguyst...@gmail.com');> wrote:
>>
>> im watching a video on mpls by some British fellow, he pronounces router
>> as rooter, is this the case on the other side of the pond? Is there a true
>> pronunciation or is it just a matter of regional dialect?
>>
>> --
>> If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team
>> as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
>>
>>

Re: [AFMUG] Ceragon 1Gbps 11Ghz link for sale

[Josh Luthman]

The people using all of the 11 GHz spectrum he can't =P


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Mon, Nov 23, 2015 at 11:42 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:

> Just use it.  Whose gonna know?
>
> -Original Message- From: Sterling Jacobson
> Sent: Monday, November 23, 2015 8:07 PM
> To: 'af@afmug.com'
> Subject: [AFMUG] Ceragon 1Gbps 11Ghz link for sale
>
>
> 11GHz licensing is a joke.
>
> I pulled my Ceragon 1Gbps link because of the inability to get the full
> license for the full spectrum needed for this radio link.
>
> I think it was over $40k when I bought it.
>
> Does anyone want it for some reasonable price?
>
> I think the dishes were 3'.
>
> Ceragon IP20c 11G 60MHz
>
> I'm still trying to work a deal to get the full license for the link
> path(s) I want, but honestly there are too many squatters and complaints
> from Rise (Digis) every time I try that I'm about to give up.
>
> It's in Utah, so shipping would be crate, unless someone local wants it.
>
> It's been used a few months on a path using half capacity this summer.
>
> Give me a reasonable offer.
>

Re: [AFMUG] Ceragon 1Gbps 11Ghz link for sale

[Chuck McCown]

If he already has a license, a little more BW isn’t gonna hurt anyone.

From: Josh Luthman 
Sent: Monday, November 23, 2015 9:43 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Ceragon 1Gbps 11Ghz link for sale

The people using all of the 11 GHz spectrum he can't =P


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Mon, Nov 23, 2015 at 11:42 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:

  Just use it.  Whose gonna know?

  -Original Message- From: Sterling Jacobson
  Sent: Monday, November 23, 2015 8:07 PM
  To: 'af@afmug.com'
  Subject: [AFMUG] Ceragon 1Gbps 11Ghz link for sale 


  11GHz licensing is a joke.

  I pulled my Ceragon 1Gbps link because of the inability to get the full 
license for the full spectrum needed for this radio link.

  I think it was over $40k when I bought it.

  Does anyone want it for some reasonable price?

  I think the dishes were 3'.

  Ceragon IP20c 11G 60MHz

  I'm still trying to work a deal to get the full license for the link path(s) 
I want, but honestly there are too many squatters and complaints from Rise 
(Digis) every time I try that I'm about to give up.

  It's in Utah, so shipping would be crate, unless someone local wants it.

  It's been used a few months on a path using half capacity this summer.

  Give me a reasonable offer. 

Re: [AFMUG] rooter?

[Jaime Solorza]

Mostly
On Nov 23, 2015 9:53 PM, "Chuck McCown"  wrote:

> Only on the S words, right?
>
> *From:* Jaime Solorza 
> *Sent:* Monday, November 23, 2015 9:45 PM
> *To:* Animal Farm 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] rooter?
>
>
> Round here ...they put an eh sound.   e.g. spoon is ehspoon.Josh's
> favorite would be Estar Guars ...
> Star Wars
> On Nov 23, 2015 9:40 PM, "Chuck McCown"  wrote:
>
>> I think Mark Twain used chimbley.
>>
>> *From:* Ken Hohhof 
>> *Sent:* Monday, November 23, 2015 5:15 PM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] rooter?
>>
>> We used to make fun of our cousins from Indiana who drank “melk”.
>>
>> And my in-laws from Ohio say chimley and sammich and panacake and mater
>> and pronounce the “s” in Illinois.
>>
>> And my grandmother grew up in Iowa and washed dishes in the “zinc”.
>>
>>
>> *From:* ch...@wbmfg.com
>> *Sent:* Monday, November 23, 2015 5:49 PM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] rooter?
>>
>> Warshing powder is used in Missoura
>>
>> *From:* Jason McKemie 
>> *Sent:* Monday, November 23, 2015 4:47 PM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] rooter?
>>
>> I pronounce route 66 as route 66...not root 66. I'm certainly aware that
>> many people do say it that way, but it is a mispronunciation - much like
>> saying warsh in place of wash.
>>
>> On Monday, November 23, 2015,  wrote:
>>
>>> Route 66  is pronounced root 66.
>>> Routing a circuit board is r-outing.
>>>
>>> *From:* Brett A Mansfield
>>> *Sent:* Monday, November 23, 2015 2:40 PM
>>> *To:* javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','af@afmug.com');
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] rooter?
>>>
>>> I have a good friend from their. They always call it the root you take,
>>> so it makes sense that if the device is determining the "root" the packets
>>> should take, then it's a rooter. Haha. It does sound very funny to me.
>>>
>>> If you have kids that watch Thomas the train, they call sir topem hat
>>> "the fat controller".
>>>
>>> Thank you,
>>> Brett A Mansfield
>>>
>>> On Nov 23, 2015, at 2:34 PM, That One Guy /sarcasm <
>>> javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','thatoneguyst...@gmail.com');> wrote:
>>>
>>> im watching a video on mpls by some British fellow, he pronounces router
>>> as rooter, is this the case on the other side of the pond? Is there a true
>>> pronunciation or is it just a matter of regional dialect?
>>>
>>> --
>>> If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team
>>> as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
>>>
>>>

Re: [AFMUG] Ceragon 1Gbps 11Ghz link for sale

[Jaime Solorza]

I am losing my touch.  23.3 miles 11GHz link called for -51dBm-52.1 was
best I got this morning Lol...anything lower than -56 would have been
fine according to Dragonwave.
On Nov 23, 2015 9:44 PM, "Chuck McCown"  wrote:

> If he already has a license, a little more BW isn’t gonna hurt anyone.
>
> *From:* Josh Luthman 
> *Sent:* Monday, November 23, 2015 9:43 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Ceragon 1Gbps 11Ghz link for sale
>
> The people using all of the 11 GHz spectrum he can't =P
>
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
> On Mon, Nov 23, 2015 at 11:42 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:
>
>> Just use it.  Whose gonna know?
>>
>> -Original Message- From: Sterling Jacobson
>> Sent: Monday, November 23, 2015 8:07 PM
>> To: 'af@afmug.com'
>> Subject: [AFMUG] Ceragon 1Gbps 11Ghz link for sale
>>
>>
>> 11GHz licensing is a joke.
>>
>> I pulled my Ceragon 1Gbps link because of the inability to get the full
>> license for the full spectrum needed for this radio link.
>>
>> I think it was over $40k when I bought it.
>>
>> Does anyone want it for some reasonable price?
>>
>> I think the dishes were 3'.
>>
>> Ceragon IP20c 11G 60MHz
>>
>> I'm still trying to work a deal to get the full license for the link
>> path(s) I want, but honestly there are too many squatters and complaints
>> from Rise (Digis) every time I try that I'm about to give up.
>>
>> It's in Utah, so shipping would be crate, unless someone local wants it.
>>
>> It's been used a few months on a path using half capacity this summer.
>>
>> Give me a reasonable offer.
>>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] First AF2 install

[Josh Luthman]

Looks kinda dead.


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Mon, Nov 23, 2015 at 11:12 PM, Jaime Solorza 
wrote:

> OK. Jaime O Josh 1two chains...my office this afternoon...
> On Nov 23, 2015 8:34 PM, "Jaime Solorza" 
> wrote:
>
>> Halet me ask ground crew...
>> On Nov 23, 2015 8:27 PM, "Josh Luthman" 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Who's doubling the budget here, Mr. Politician?
>>>
>>> Josh Luthman
>>> Office: 937-552-2340
>>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>>> 1100 Wayne St
>>> Suite 1337
>>> Troy, OH 45373
>>> On Nov 23, 2015 10:22 PM, "Jaime Solorza" 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Well this one is special...so there ...stop stating facts ...its
 incongruous with what politicians say all day
 On Nov 23, 2015 8:20 PM, "Josh Luthman" 
 wrote:

> Pretty sure both are 2 chains...
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
> On Nov 23, 2015 10:18 PM, "Jaime Solorza" 
> wrote:
>
>> Huh?  The guy down at com room said 4 chains...I have seen the AF2
>> screen Hater!
>> On Nov 23, 2015 8:06 PM, "Josh Luthman" 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> 5x is two chains...
>>>
>>> Josh Luthman
>>> Office: 937-552-2340
>>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>>> 1100 Wayne St
>>> Suite 1337
>>> Troy, OH 45373
>>> On Nov 23, 2015 9:54 PM, "Jaime Solorza" 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Tomorrow I will be installing my first Mimosa ptp off same water
 tank ...
 On Nov 23, 2015 7:46 PM, "Jaime Solorza" 
 wrote:

> -48 on all 4 chainspassing steady 95mbps at 7 miles
>

Re: [AFMUG] First AF2 install

[Josh Luthman]

Aren't all the green plants fake in the desert?


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Mon, Nov 23, 2015 at 11:42 PM, Jaime Solorza 
wrote:

> So do we ...at least one
> On Nov 23, 2015 9:34 PM, "Josh Luthman" 
> wrote:
>
>> We have green plans.
>>
>> Or will in 6 months...
>>
>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340
>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
>> On Nov 23, 2015 11:33 PM, "Jaime Solorza" 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> It's at edge of Horizon citylots of desert...but we have
>>> mountains... YOU don't...SAS
>>> On Nov 23, 2015 9:14 PM, "Josh Luthman" 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Looks kinda dead.


 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373

 On Mon, Nov 23, 2015 at 11:12 PM, Jaime Solorza <
 losguyswirel...@gmail.com> wrote:

> OK. Jaime O Josh 1two chains...my office this afternoon...
> On Nov 23, 2015 8:34 PM, "Jaime Solorza" 
> wrote:
>
>> Halet me ask ground crew...
>> On Nov 23, 2015 8:27 PM, "Josh Luthman" 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Who's doubling the budget here, Mr. Politician?
>>>
>>> Josh Luthman
>>> Office: 937-552-2340
>>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>>> 1100 Wayne St
>>> Suite 1337
>>> Troy, OH 45373
>>> On Nov 23, 2015 10:22 PM, "Jaime Solorza" 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Well this one is special...so there ...stop stating facts ...its
 incongruous with what politicians say all day
 On Nov 23, 2015 8:20 PM, "Josh Luthman" <
 j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> wrote:

> Pretty sure both are 2 chains...
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
> On Nov 23, 2015 10:18 PM, "Jaime Solorza" <
> losguyswirel...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Huh?  The guy down at com room said 4 chains...I have seen the
>> AF2 screen Hater!
>> On Nov 23, 2015 8:06 PM, "Josh Luthman" <
>> j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> wrote:
>>
>>> 5x is two chains...
>>>
>>> Josh Luthman
>>> Office: 937-552-2340
>>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>>> 1100 Wayne St
>>> Suite 1337
>>> Troy, OH 45373
>>> On Nov 23, 2015 9:54 PM, "Jaime Solorza" <
>>> losguyswirel...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
 Tomorrow I will be installing my first Mimosa ptp off same
 water tank ...
 On Nov 23, 2015 7:46 PM, "Jaime Solorza" <
 losguyswirel...@gmail.com> wrote:

> -48 on all 4 chainspassing steady 95mbps at 7 miles
>

Re: [AFMUG] Ceragon 1Gbps 11Ghz link for sale

[Chuck McCown]

Just use it.  Whose gonna know?

-Original Message- 
From: Sterling Jacobson

Sent: Monday, November 23, 2015 8:07 PM
To: 'af@afmug.com'
Subject: [AFMUG] Ceragon 1Gbps 11Ghz link for sale

11GHz licensing is a joke.

I pulled my Ceragon 1Gbps link because of the inability to get the full 
license for the full spectrum needed for this radio link.


I think it was over $40k when I bought it.

Does anyone want it for some reasonable price?

I think the dishes were 3'.

Ceragon IP20c 11G 60MHz

I'm still trying to work a deal to get the full license for the link path(s) 
I want, but honestly there are too many squatters and complaints from Rise 
(Digis) every time I try that I'm about to give up.


It's in Utah, so shipping would be crate, unless someone local wants it.

It's been used a few months on a path using half capacity this summer.

Give me a reasonable offer. 

Re: [AFMUG] rooter?

[Josh Luthman]

We make fun of Tom all the time for saying rooter.


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Mon, Nov 23, 2015 at 6:47 PM, Jason McKemie <
j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com> wrote:

> I pronounce route 66 as route 66...not root 66. I'm certainly aware that
> many people do say it that way, but it is a mispronunciation - much like
> saying warsh in place of wash.
>
>
> On Monday, November 23, 2015,  wrote:
>
>> Route 66  is pronounced root 66.
>> Routing a circuit board is r-outing.
>>
>> *From:* Brett A Mansfield
>> *Sent:* Monday, November 23, 2015 2:40 PM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] rooter?
>>
>> I have a good friend from their. They always call it the root you take,
>> so it makes sense that if the device is determining the "root" the packets
>> should take, then it's a rooter. Haha. It does sound very funny to me.
>>
>> If you have kids that watch Thomas the train, they call sir topem hat
>> "the fat controller".
>>
>> Thank you,
>> Brett A Mansfield
>>
>> On Nov 23, 2015, at 2:34 PM, That One Guy /sarcasm <
>> thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> im watching a video on mpls by some British fellow, he pronounces router
>> as rooter, is this the case on the other side of the pond? Is there a true
>> pronunciation or is it just a matter of regional dialect?
>>
>> --
>> If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team
>> as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
>>
>>

Re: [AFMUG] rooter?

[Ken Hohhof]

We used to make fun of our cousins from Indiana who drank “melk”.

And my in-laws from Ohio say chimley and sammich and panacake and mater and 
pronounce the “s” in Illinois.

And my grandmother grew up in Iowa and washed dishes in the “zinc”.


From: ch...@wbmfg.com 
Sent: Monday, November 23, 2015 5:49 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] rooter?

Warshing powder is used in Missoura 

From: Jason McKemie 
Sent: Monday, November 23, 2015 4:47 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] rooter?

I pronounce route 66 as route 66...not root 66. I'm certainly aware that many 
people do say it that way, but it is a mispronunciation - much like saying 
warsh in place of wash.

On Monday, November 23, 2015,  wrote:

  Route 66  is pronounced root 66.
  Routing a circuit board is r-outing.

  From: Brett A Mansfield 
  Sent: Monday, November 23, 2015 2:40 PM
  To: javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','af@afmug.com'); 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] rooter?

  I have a good friend from their. They always call it the root you take, so it 
makes sense that if the device is determining the "root" the packets should 
take, then it's a rooter. Haha. It does sound very funny to me. 

  If you have kids that watch Thomas the train, they call sir topem hat "the 
fat controller". 

  Thank you, 
  Brett A Mansfield

  On Nov 23, 2015, at 2:34 PM, That One Guy /sarcasm 
 wrote:


im watching a video on mpls by some British fellow, he pronounces router as 
rooter, is this the case on the other side of the pond? Is there a true 
pronunciation or is it just a matter of regional dialect?


-- 

If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as 
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] rooter?

[Jason McKemie]

I pronounce route 66 as route 66...not root 66. I'm certainly aware that
many people do say it that way, but it is a mispronunciation - much like
saying warsh in place of wash.

On Monday, November 23, 2015,  wrote:

> Route 66  is pronounced root 66.
> Routing a circuit board is r-outing.
>
> *From:* Brett A Mansfield
> 
> *Sent:* Monday, November 23, 2015 2:40 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] rooter?
>
> I have a good friend from their. They always call it the root you take, so
> it makes sense that if the device is determining the "root" the packets
> should take, then it's a rooter. Haha. It does sound very funny to me.
>
> If you have kids that watch Thomas the train, they call sir topem hat "the
> fat controller".
>
> Thank you,
> Brett A Mansfield
>
> On Nov 23, 2015, at 2:34 PM, That One Guy /sarcasm <
> thatoneguyst...@gmail.com
> > wrote:
>
> im watching a video on mpls by some British fellow, he pronounces router
> as rooter, is this the case on the other side of the pond? Is there a true
> pronunciation or is it just a matter of regional dialect?
>
> --
> If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team
> as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] rooter?

[George Skorup]

I pick on my buddy all the time for saying melk and pellow. His family 
came from up over dere by Che-kaw-ga. OK, I did too, but I don't talk 
like that.


On 11/23/2015 6:15 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:

We used to make fun of our cousins from Indiana who drank “melk”.
And my in-laws from Ohio say chimley and sammich and panacake and 
mater and pronounce the “s” in Illinois.

And my grandmother grew up in Iowa and washed dishes in the “zinc”.
*From:* ch...@wbmfg.com 
*Sent:* Monday, November 23, 2015 5:49 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com 
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] rooter?
Warshing powder is used in Missoura
*From:* Jason McKemie 
*Sent:* Monday, November 23, 2015 4:47 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com 
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] rooter?
I pronounce route 66 as route 66...not root 66. I'm certainly aware 
that many people do say it that way, but it is a mispronunciation - 
much like saying warsh in place of wash.


On Monday, November 23, 2015, > wrote:


Route 66  is pronounced root 66.
Routing a circuit board is r-outing.
*From:* Brett A Mansfield

*Sent:* Monday, November 23, 2015 2:40 PM
*To:* javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','af@afmug.com');
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] rooter?
I have a good friend from their. They always call it the root you
take, so it makes sense that if the device is determining the
"root" the packets should take, then it's a rooter. Haha. It does
sound very funny to me.
If you have kids that watch Thomas the train, they call sir topem
hat "the fat controller".

Thank you,
Brett A Mansfield

On Nov 23, 2015, at 2:34 PM, That One Guy /sarcasm
 wrote:


im watching a video on mpls by some British fellow, he pronounces
router as rooter, is this the case on the other side of the pond?
Is there a true pronunciation or is it just a matter of regional
dialect?
-- 
If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see

your team as part of yourself you have already failed as part of
the team.

Re: [AFMUG] rooter?

[chuck]

Warshing powder is used in Missoura 

From: Jason McKemie 
Sent: Monday, November 23, 2015 4:47 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] rooter?

I pronounce route 66 as route 66...not root 66. I'm certainly aware that many 
people do say it that way, but it is a mispronunciation - much like saying 
warsh in place of wash.

On Monday, November 23, 2015,  wrote:

  Route 66  is pronounced root 66.
  Routing a circuit board is r-outing.

  From: Brett A Mansfield 
  Sent: Monday, November 23, 2015 2:40 PM
  To: javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','af@afmug.com'); 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] rooter?

  I have a good friend from their. They always call it the root you take, so it 
makes sense that if the device is determining the "root" the packets should 
take, then it's a rooter. Haha. It does sound very funny to me. 

  If you have kids that watch Thomas the train, they call sir topem hat "the 
fat controller". 

  Thank you, 
  Brett A Mansfield

  On Nov 23, 2015, at 2:34 PM, That One Guy /sarcasm 
 wrote:


im watching a video on mpls by some British fellow, he pronounces router as 
rooter, is this the case on the other side of the pond? Is there a true 
pronunciation or is it just a matter of regional dialect?


-- 

If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as 
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

[AFMUG] Looking for a Ticketing System

[Nate Burke]

This is for a personal project, but I think most of the things are the 
same that a WISP would use.  I'm looking for a Ticketing/Asset tracking 
application for building management.  Something where people could 
submit tickets, like 'The Door to room 200 won't close correctly'  that 
can be tracked, logged and closed.  Also managing things like Emergency 
lighting battery replacement, so be able to query something like 'show 
all Emergency lights with batteries older than 3 years'


Money/accounting side of things is not really important, unless it's 
like to associate a cost to closing out a ticket.  Like in the example 
above 'Room 200 needed a new door handle, $12.95 at Home Depot'


I really have no idea what's out there for ticketing/management these 
days, so places to start looking would be helpful.  Or is there a better 
way to manage/control a building?


The Person I'm replacing (at my church) currently keeps all these things 
in his head, and I think it's going to be a pretty rough transition.  So 
as long as there is a paradigm shift happening, getting a sustainable 
system in place for tracking and management I think will really help 
going forward.


Nate

Re: [AFMUG] do you guys install CPE's in the winter time?

[Bill Prince]

+1. Glad we live in North California. We're forcast to have a "cold 
snap" Tuesday through Saturday, with highs only ~~ 56°. We had temps 
like that when I lived in Minnesota, but with a minus sign in front (-)...


bp


On 11/23/2015 11:31 AM, Jay Weekley wrote:
I'm glad I live in Alabama.  I'm miserable in anything under 30 
degrees unless it's sunny and there is no wind.  I can layer up for 
any temperature but my hands are miserable.


Jeremy wrote:
We work in all weather.  From -18 degrees to 4' of snowhere in 
Utah.  We work rain or shine.  However, it is up to the installer to 
determine if each install is safe or not, and he can reschedule if he 
isn't comfortable.  Usually we work off of a ladder or we get on at 
the peak and 'scoot' along the top straddling the peak.  We wear 
thermals, flannel lined pants, and Carhart coveralls.  If we held up 
installs for weather, we'd never get anything done.


On Mon, Nov 23, 2015 at 9:34 AM, Jay Weekley 
> wrote:


I think he's worried about his rooster.  Must be a big shoe to
hold both his foot and a whole chicken.

Chuck McCown wrote:

Not sure I got the shoe and splinters bit...
*From:* Josh Luthman >
*Sent:* Sunday, November 22, 2015 6:38 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com  >
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] do you guys install CPE's in the winter
time?

A moment with Steve.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340 
Direct: 937-552-2343 
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Nov 22, 2015 8:29 PM, "That One Guy /sarcasm"

>> wrote:

It really depends on the estrogen content of your
installers, When
I was installing there was one time only I didnt go out
and that
was because the boss forced me not to, I had the van
loaded and
was heading out, we had black ice everywhere and it was
negative
dick drop out. But I dressed for the weather and have to
stuff my
cock in my shoe just to avoid picking up splinters on wood
floors.
Fast forward to pussies running the trucks and I kept 
them in

house last thursday because of the wind, If it "might be"
white
out, they dont go out, if its freezing rain they dont go
out, If
its in the negatives, they tend to not go out, if they
dont have a
fresh tampax in they dont go out.
You kind of need to find the middle ground there
On Sun, Nov 22, 2015 at 7:21 PM, Paul McCall

>> wrote:

We supply plenty of high SPF sunscreen and make sure
the guys
are well hydrated.  Our temperature cut-off is about 95
degrees.  Anything above that and the install would
have to wait

:)

/ducking

-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com

>] On Behalf Of Tim Reichhart
Sent: Saturday, November 21, 2015 2:14 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
>
Subject: [AFMUG] do you guys install CPE's in the
winter time?

Do any of you guys in the winter time install CPE's? 
If so

what is your temperature cut off time and what you
wear during
the install?







-- If you only see yourself as part of the team but
you don't see
your team as part of yourself you have already failed as
part of
the team.

[AFMUG] Ceragon 1Gbps 11Ghz link for sale

[Sterling Jacobson]

11GHz licensing is a joke.

I pulled my Ceragon 1Gbps link because of the inability to get the full license 
for the full spectrum needed for this radio link.

I think it was over $40k when I bought it.

Does anyone want it for some reasonable price?

I think the dishes were 3'.

Ceragon IP20c 11G 60MHz

I'm still trying to work a deal to get the full license for the link path(s) I 
want, but honestly there are too many squatters and complaints from Rise 
(Digis) every time I try that I'm about to give up.

It's in Utah, so shipping would be crate, unless someone local wants it.

It's been used a few months on a path using half capacity this summer.

Give me a reasonable offer.

Re: [AFMUG] First AF2 install

[Jaime Solorza]

Halet me ask ground crew...
On Nov 23, 2015 8:27 PM, "Josh Luthman"  wrote:

> Who's doubling the budget here, Mr. Politician?
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
> On Nov 23, 2015 10:22 PM, "Jaime Solorza" 
> wrote:
>
>> Well this one is special...so there ...stop stating facts ...its
>> incongruous with what politicians say all day
>> On Nov 23, 2015 8:20 PM, "Josh Luthman" 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Pretty sure both are 2 chains...
>>>
>>> Josh Luthman
>>> Office: 937-552-2340
>>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>>> 1100 Wayne St
>>> Suite 1337
>>> Troy, OH 45373
>>> On Nov 23, 2015 10:18 PM, "Jaime Solorza" 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Huh?  The guy down at com room said 4 chains...I have seen the AF2
 screen Hater!
 On Nov 23, 2015 8:06 PM, "Josh Luthman" 
 wrote:

> 5x is two chains...
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
> On Nov 23, 2015 9:54 PM, "Jaime Solorza" 
> wrote:
>
>> Tomorrow I will be installing my first Mimosa ptp off same water tank
>> ...
>> On Nov 23, 2015 7:46 PM, "Jaime Solorza" 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> -48 on all 4 chainspassing steady 95mbps at 7 miles
>>>
>>

Re: [AFMUG] First AF2 install

[Jaime Solorza]

Tomorrow I will be installing my first Mimosa ptp off same water tank ...
On Nov 23, 2015 7:46 PM, "Jaime Solorza"  wrote:

> -48 on all 4 chainspassing steady 95mbps at 7 miles
>

Re: [AFMUG] First AF2 install

[Josh Luthman]

Pretty sure both are 2 chains...

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Nov 23, 2015 10:18 PM, "Jaime Solorza"  wrote:

> Huh?  The guy down at com room said 4 chains...I have seen the AF2
> screen Hater!
> On Nov 23, 2015 8:06 PM, "Josh Luthman" 
> wrote:
>
>> 5x is two chains...
>>
>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340
>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
>> On Nov 23, 2015 9:54 PM, "Jaime Solorza" 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Tomorrow I will be installing my first Mimosa ptp off same water tank ...
>>> On Nov 23, 2015 7:46 PM, "Jaime Solorza" 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 -48 on all 4 chainspassing steady 95mbps at 7 miles

>>>

Re: [AFMUG] First AF2 install

[Josh Luthman]

Who's doubling the budget here, Mr. Politician?

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Nov 23, 2015 10:22 PM, "Jaime Solorza"  wrote:

> Well this one is special...so there ...stop stating facts ...its
> incongruous with what politicians say all day
> On Nov 23, 2015 8:20 PM, "Josh Luthman" 
> wrote:
>
>> Pretty sure both are 2 chains...
>>
>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340
>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
>> On Nov 23, 2015 10:18 PM, "Jaime Solorza" 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Huh?  The guy down at com room said 4 chains...I have seen the AF2
>>> screen Hater!
>>> On Nov 23, 2015 8:06 PM, "Josh Luthman" 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 5x is two chains...

 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373
 On Nov 23, 2015 9:54 PM, "Jaime Solorza" 
 wrote:

> Tomorrow I will be installing my first Mimosa ptp off same water tank
> ...
> On Nov 23, 2015 7:46 PM, "Jaime Solorza" 
> wrote:
>
>> -48 on all 4 chainspassing steady 95mbps at 7 miles
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] First AF2 install

[Josh Luthman]

5x is two chains...

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Nov 23, 2015 9:54 PM, "Jaime Solorza"  wrote:

> Tomorrow I will be installing my first Mimosa ptp off same water tank ...
> On Nov 23, 2015 7:46 PM, "Jaime Solorza" 
> wrote:
>
>> -48 on all 4 chainspassing steady 95mbps at 7 miles
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] First AF2 install

[Jaime Solorza]

Well this one is special...so there ...stop stating facts ...its
incongruous with what politicians say all day
On Nov 23, 2015 8:20 PM, "Josh Luthman"  wrote:

> Pretty sure both are 2 chains...
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
> On Nov 23, 2015 10:18 PM, "Jaime Solorza" 
> wrote:
>
>> Huh?  The guy down at com room said 4 chains...I have seen the AF2
>> screen Hater!
>> On Nov 23, 2015 8:06 PM, "Josh Luthman" 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> 5x is two chains...
>>>
>>> Josh Luthman
>>> Office: 937-552-2340
>>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>>> 1100 Wayne St
>>> Suite 1337
>>> Troy, OH 45373
>>> On Nov 23, 2015 9:54 PM, "Jaime Solorza" 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Tomorrow I will be installing my first Mimosa ptp off same water tank
 ...
 On Nov 23, 2015 7:46 PM, "Jaime Solorza" 
 wrote:

> -48 on all 4 chainspassing steady 95mbps at 7 miles
>

Re: [AFMUG] OT: Vmware Vs Xen

[Paul Stewart]

No idea what it uses behind the scenes… thought it was their own ..

 

Regardless, I’m a huge PLEX fan as well .. I have about 60TB of NAS filled with 
“video content” that I use both locally and remote … works extremely well!

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of David
Sent: Monday, November 23, 2015 9:28 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Vmware Vs Xen

 

I believe Plex uses MythTV for the video streaming portion of that APP does it 
not?



On 11/23/2015 07:26 AM, Jon Bruce wrote:

+1

On 11/20/2015 7:30 PM, SmarterBroadband wrote:

Plex

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of David
Sent: Friday, November 20, 2015 9:34 AM
To: af@afmug.com  
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Vmware Vs Xen

 

I have a Media Center on freenas and a Web server but I also need some space to 
development on distros and some extensive perl coding.
My media centre is accessible from anywhere but I have been needing to move 
into a more vituralized environment instead of 
having to keep old nas boxes laying around and continuing to repair them.
 MythTV rulz LOL
I now have over 16TB of movies on my system and the ripping software has got 
much better over time so I am going back to 
some older shows and reproducing them to a higher quality. Music has got better 
on ripping also.
 My issue is having to tag all these things.

 

On 11/20/2015 11:21 AM, Sterling Jacobson wrote:

I’ve thought about KVM host. 

 

But since I keep my windows 10 desktop on all the time I’m going to just 
experiment with Microsoft VM stuff.

 

My goal this year was to remove all but one computers in my house, except the 
mobile/laptops.

 

I’m almost there.

 

I have one Windows box running four stations that my kids use for gaming and 
homework.

 

And I have my box.

 

I’m transitioning my backup from WHS 2011 to just some disks hanging off my 
Nighthawk router now.

 

 

 

 

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of David
Sent: Friday, November 20, 2015 10:14 AM
To: Animal Farm   
Subject: [AFMUG] OT: Vmware Vs Xen

 

I am doing a home brew vmhost at home and I am tossing around using XEN vs 
Vmware like I use at the office.
>From what I gather of Xen alot is done within the CLI but I am looking for a 
>client like VMware host client that will 
give me the gui interface to manage host on XEN

Any ideas or thoughts are welcome

-- 


 

 

 

Re: [AFMUG] OT: Vmware Vs Xen

[Ty Featherling]

+1 on Plex. It is my own private Netflix. I stream it using my Chromecast,
Roku2, RokuStick, and a browser. Works great everywhere and pulls in all of
the meta data for any titles you load up. It organizes everything too. You
can literally just drop all of your content into one folder and it sorts it
out. I take it only one step further and have a sub folder for myself and
another for my wife to keep our stuff easily segregated.

-Ty



-Ty

On Mon, Nov 23, 2015 at 9:11 AM, Paul Stewart  wrote:

> No idea what it uses behind the scenes… thought it was their own ..
>
>
>
> Regardless, I’m a huge PLEX fan as well .. I have about 60TB of NAS filled
> with “video content” that I use both locally and remote … works extremely
> well!
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *David
> *Sent:* Monday, November 23, 2015 9:28 AM
>
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: Vmware Vs Xen
>
>
>
> I believe Plex uses MythTV for the video streaming portion of that APP
> does it not?
>
> On 11/23/2015 07:26 AM, Jon Bruce wrote:
>
> +1
>
> On 11/20/2015 7:30 PM, SmarterBroadband wrote:
>
> Plex
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] *On
> Behalf Of *David
> *Sent:* Friday, November 20, 2015 9:34 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: Vmware Vs Xen
>
>
>
> I have a Media Center on freenas and a Web server but I also need some
> space to development on distros and some extensive perl coding.
> My media centre is accessible from anywhere but I have been needing to
> move into a more vituralized environment instead of
> having to keep old nas boxes laying around and continuing to repair them.
>  MythTV rulz LOL
> I now have over 16TB of movies on my system and the ripping software has
> got much better over time so I am going back to
> some older shows and reproducing them to a higher quality. Music has got
> better on ripping also.
>  My issue is having to tag all these things.
>
>
>
> On 11/20/2015 11:21 AM, Sterling Jacobson wrote:
>
> I’ve thought about KVM host.
>
>
>
> But since I keep my windows 10 desktop on all the time I’m going to just
> experiment with Microsoft VM stuff.
>
>
>
> My goal this year was to remove all but one computers in my house, except
> the mobile/laptops.
>
>
>
> I’m almost there.
>
>
>
> I have one Windows box running four stations that my kids use for gaming
> and homework.
>
>
>
> And I have my box.
>
>
>
> I’m transitioning my backup from WHS 2011 to just some disks hanging off
> my Nighthawk router now.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] *On
> Behalf Of *David
> *Sent:* Friday, November 20, 2015 10:14 AM
> *To:* Animal Farm  
> *Subject:* [AFMUG] OT: Vmware Vs Xen
>
>
>
> I am doing a home brew vmhost at home and I am tossing around using XEN vs
> Vmware like I use at the office.
> From what I gather of Xen alot is done within the CLI but I am looking for
> a client like VMware host client that will
> give me the gui interface to manage host on XEN
>
> Any ideas or thoughts are welcome
>
> --
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] FTP Client Recommendation

[Eric Muehleisen]

https://winscp.net/eng/docs/guide_schedule

On Mon, Nov 23, 2015 at 9:43 AM, Wireless Administrator
 wrote:
> Can anyone recommend a quality FTP Client with the following features?
>
>
>
> Windows based
>
> Scripting
>
> Scheduling
>
> SFTP/FTPS
>
>
>
> Does not have to be Free.
>
>
>
> Thanks,
>
> Steve

Re: [AFMUG] FTP Client Recommendation

[Josh Luthman]

Cobian schedules FTP.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Nov 23, 2015 10:48 AM, "Eric Muehleisen"  wrote:

> https://winscp.net/eng/docs/guide_schedule
>
> On Mon, Nov 23, 2015 at 9:43 AM, Wireless Administrator
>  wrote:
> > Can anyone recommend a quality FTP Client with the following features?
> >
> >
> >
> > Windows based
> >
> > Scripting
> >
> > Scheduling
> >
> > SFTP/FTPS
> >
> >
> >
> > Does not have to be Free.
> >
> >
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Steve
>

Re: [AFMUG] do you guys install CPE's in the winter time?

[Chuck McCown]

Not sure I got the shoe and splinters bit...

From: Josh Luthman 
Sent: Sunday, November 22, 2015 6:38 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] do you guys install CPE's in the winter time?

A moment with Steve.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Nov 22, 2015 8:29 PM, "That One Guy /sarcasm"  
wrote:

  It really depends on the estrogen content of your installers, When I was 
installing there was one time only I didnt go out and that was because the boss 
forced me not to, I had the van loaded and was heading out, we had black ice 
everywhere and it was negative dick drop out. But I dressed for the weather and 
have to stuff my cock in my shoe just to avoid picking up splinters on wood 
floors. 
  Fast forward to pussies running the trucks and I kept them in house last 
thursday because of the wind, If it "might be" white out, they dont go out, if 
its freezing rain they dont go out, If its in the negatives, they tend to not 
go out, if they dont have a fresh tampax in they dont go out.
  You kind of need to find the middle ground there

  On Sun, Nov 22, 2015 at 7:21 PM, Paul McCall  wrote:

We supply plenty of high SPF sunscreen and make sure the guys are well 
hydrated.  Our temperature cut-off is about 95 degrees.  Anything above that 
and the install would have to wait

:)

/ducking


-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Tim Reichhart
Sent: Saturday, November 21, 2015 2:14 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] do you guys install CPE's in the winter time?

Do any of you guys in the winter time install CPE's? If so what is your 
temperature cut off time and what you wear during the install?










  -- 

  If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as 
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] do you guys install CPE's in the winter time?

[Jeremy]

We work in all weather.  From -18 degrees to 4' of snowhere in Utah.
We work rain or shine.  However, it is up to the installer to determine if
each install is safe or not, and he can reschedule if he isn't
comfortable.  Usually we work off of a ladder or we get on at the peak and
'scoot' along the top straddling the peak.  We wear thermals, flannel lined
pants, and Carhart coveralls.  If we held up installs for weather, we'd
never get anything done.

On Mon, Nov 23, 2015 at 9:34 AM, Jay Weekley 
wrote:

> I think he's worried about his rooster.  Must be a big shoe to hold both
> his foot and a whole chicken.
>
> Chuck McCown wrote:
>
>> Not sure I got the shoe and splinters bit...
>> *From:* Josh Luthman 
>> *Sent:* Sunday, November 22, 2015 6:38 PM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com 
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] do you guys install CPE's in the winter time?
>>
>> A moment with Steve.
>>
>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340
>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
>>
>> On Nov 22, 2015 8:29 PM, "That One Guy /sarcasm" <
>> thatoneguyst...@gmail.com > wrote:
>>
>> It really depends on the estrogen content of your installers, When
>> I was installing there was one time only I didnt go out and that
>> was because the boss forced me not to, I had the van loaded and
>> was heading out, we had black ice everywhere and it was negative
>> dick drop out. But I dressed for the weather and have to stuff my
>> cock in my shoe just to avoid picking up splinters on wood floors.
>> Fast forward to pussies running the trucks and I kept them in
>> house last thursday because of the wind, If it "might be" white
>> out, they dont go out, if its freezing rain they dont go out, If
>> its in the negatives, they tend to not go out, if they dont have a
>> fresh tampax in they dont go out.
>> You kind of need to find the middle ground there
>> On Sun, Nov 22, 2015 at 7:21 PM, Paul McCall > > wrote:
>>
>> We supply plenty of high SPF sunscreen and make sure the guys
>> are well hydrated.  Our temperature cut-off is about 95
>> degrees.  Anything above that and the install would have to wait
>>
>> :)
>>
>> /ducking
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com
>> ] On Behalf Of Tim Reichhart
>> Sent: Saturday, November 21, 2015 2:14 PM
>> To: af@afmug.com 
>> Subject: [AFMUG] do you guys install CPE's in the winter time?
>>
>> Do any of you guys in the winter time install CPE's? If so
>> what is your temperature cut off time and what you wear during
>> the install?
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> -- If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see
>> your team as part of yourself you have already failed as part of
>> the team.
>>
>>
>

[AFMUG] Radios removed by new home owner

[Brett A Mansfield]

What does everyone do when a home they serviced is sold and the new home owner 
removes the radio and then claims they never saw it? 

Thank you,
Brett A Mansfield

Re: [AFMUG] Radios removed by new home owner

[Brett A Mansfield]

Perhaps not, but I cannot afford to replace 3 radios this just happened to. My 
company is t very big and every single penny counts. Maybe I'll enforce my ToS 
and charge the former customer the radio cost.

Thank you,
Brett A Mansfield

> On Nov 23, 2015, at 11:59 AM, Jason McKemie 
>  wrote:
> 
> Let it go, not worth the trouble.
> 
>> On Mon, Nov 23, 2015 at 12:52 PM, Brett A Mansfield 
>>  wrote:
>> What does everyone do when a home they serviced is sold and the new home 
>> owner removes the radio and then claims they never saw it?
>> 
>> Thank you,
>> Brett A Mansfield
> 

Re: [AFMUG] OT Cats are Christian - Who knew!

[Patrick Leary]

I’m not offended, but I do want to make a point.

I know a few Christians who meet that definition as well – demons from hell. I 
also know many atheists who act far more Christian than some Christians I know. 
And, since 1999 I’ve worked for businesses run by Jews. I’ve thus known 
countless Jews who are decent “Christ-like” people. I’ve also had the occasion 
to know some Muslims I’d trust with my life (including as a soldier).

I always cringe when I hear some version of, “Oh, he’s a good Christian man…,” 
the implication being that means something special and thus anything other than 
Christian is something less, somehow untrustworthy. It is an inherently bigoted 
statement, without even the person saying it realizing it.

For me, the very last man I will trust is the one who forwards his claimed 
religion as a reason to trust him. I prefer people who don’t require God 
looking over their shoulder to do the right and ethical thing.

Patrick

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of That One Guy /sarcasm
Sent: Monday, November 23, 2015 1:26 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Cats are Christian - Who knew!

Cats cannot be Christians as they are incarnations of demons sent from hell.

On Mon, Nov 23, 2015 at 12:21 PM, Lewis Bergman 
> wrote:
I find it hilarious.I still dislike cats, but now I have an appreciation for 
some of their talents.

On Mon, Nov 23, 2015 at 12:16 PM > 
wrote:
You go on the list

From: That One Guy /sarcasm
Sent: Monday, November 23, 2015 11:15 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Cats are Christian - Who knew!

I find this offensive

On Mon, Nov 23, 2015 at 12:05 PM, > 
wrote:
[Embedded image permalink]



--
If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as 
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.



--
If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as 
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.




This footnote confirms that this email message has been scanned by
PineApp Mail-SeCure for the presence of malicious code, vandals & computer 
viruses.


 
 

This footnote confirms that this email message has been scanned by
PineApp Mail-SeCure for the presence of malicious code, vandals & computer 
viruses.

Re: [AFMUG] Radios removed by new home owner

[chuck]

I would attempt the reasonable guy approach first.  Contact former 
owner/customer and get their story.  Tell them they are liable.  Get them to 
reason with the new owner if possible.  

From: Brett A Mansfield 
Sent: Monday, November 23, 2015 12:04 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Radios removed by new home owner

Perhaps not, but I cannot afford to replace 3 radios this just happened to. My 
company is t very big and every single penny counts. Maybe I'll enforce my ToS 
and charge the former customer the radio cost.

Thank you, 
Brett A Mansfield

On Nov 23, 2015, at 11:59 AM, Jason McKemie  
wrote:


  Let it go, not worth the trouble.

  On Mon, Nov 23, 2015 at 12:52 PM, Brett A Mansfield 
 wrote:

What does everyone do when a home they serviced is sold and the new home 
owner removes the radio and then claims they never saw it?

Thank you,
Brett A Mansfield

Re: [AFMUG] OT Cats are Christian - Who knew!

[That One Guy /sarcasm]

...that escalated quickly

On Mon, Nov 23, 2015 at 1:05 PM, Patrick Leary 
wrote:

> I’m not offended, but I do want to make a point.
>
>
>
> I know a few Christians who meet that definition as well – demons from
> hell. I also know many atheists who act far more Christian than some
> Christians I know. And, since 1999 I’ve worked for businesses run by Jews.
> I’ve thus known countless Jews who are decent “Christ-like” people. I’ve
> also had the occasion to know some Muslims I’d trust with my life
> (including as a soldier).
>
>
>
> I always cringe when I hear some version of, “Oh, he’s a good Christian
> man…,” the implication being that means something special and thus anything
> other than Christian is something less, somehow untrustworthy. It is an
> inherently bigoted statement, without even the person saying it realizing
> it.
>
>
>
> For me, the very last man I will trust is the one who forwards his claimed
> religion as a reason to trust him. I prefer people who don’t require God
> looking over their shoulder to do the right and ethical thing.
>
>
>
> Patrick
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *That One Guy
> /sarcasm
> *Sent:* Monday, November 23, 2015 1:26 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Cats are Christian - Who knew!
>
>
>
> Cats cannot be Christians as they are incarnations of demons sent from
> hell.
>
>
>
> On Mon, Nov 23, 2015 at 12:21 PM, Lewis Bergman 
> wrote:
>
> I find it hilarious.I still dislike cats, but now I have an appreciation
> for some of their talents.
>
>
>
> On Mon, Nov 23, 2015 at 12:16 PM  wrote:
>
> You go on the list
>
>
>
> *From:* That One Guy /sarcasm 
>
> *Sent:* Monday, November 23, 2015 11:15 AM
>
> *To:* af@afmug.com
>
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Cats are Christian - Who knew!
>
>
>
> I find this offensive
>
>
>
> On Mon, Nov 23, 2015 at 12:05 PM,  wrote:
>
> [image: Embedded image permalink]
>
>
>
>
>
> --
>
> If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team
> as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
>
>
>
>
>
> --
>
> If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team
> as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
>
>
>
>
>
> 
> This footnote confirms that this email message has been scanned by
> PineApp Mail-SeCure for the presence of malicious code, vandals & computer
> viruses.
>
> 
>
>
>
>
>
> 
> This footnote confirms that this email message has been scanned by
> PineApp Mail-SeCure for the presence of malicious code, vandals & computer
> viruses.
>
> 
>
>


-- 
If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

[AFMUG] PLEX

[Lewis Bergman]

So I hear some of you suggesting PLEX. does PLEX have some kind of channel
guide ala Dish or Direct it can use with an OTA antenna?

Re: [AFMUG] 900 sub uptime

[David]

Nope,
 for the most part the ones still on it dont have any issues either.
We had a bunch over the years of moving to 2.4 or 3.65 that were either 
marginal or

in desperate to watch netflix.
  I know of one customer that has setup a spooling server to store the 
movie of his selection

then watch it at his leisure all done on 900fsk.



On 11/23/2015 09:34 AM, Jay Weekley wrote:

I take it she hasn't needed a service call in a while.

David wrote:

Anyone else have any canopy subs ben up this long..

I guess she has this thing on a UPS or a whole home genny.


Device Information

Device Type :
900MHz - Subscriber Module - 0a-00-3e-90-6b-6c
Software Version :
CANOPY 13.1.3 SM-DES
Software Boot Version :
CANOPYBOOT 4.0
Board Type :
P9
FPGA Version :
101410
Uptime :
*1y, 23d, 01:08:08*
System Time :
17:34:42 05/23/2011 UTC
Ethernet Interface :
100Base-TX Full Duplex
Antenna Type :
External
Temperature :
28 °C / 83 °F



--

Re: [AFMUG] OT: Vmware Vs Xen

[David]

What are you using to rip blu rays?
 I am only having success with MKV and Handbreak


On 11/23/2015 10:26 AM, Ty Featherling wrote:
+1 on Plex. It is my own private Netflix. I stream it using my 
Chromecast, Roku2, RokuStick, and a browser. Works great everywhere 
and pulls in all of the meta data for any titles you load up. It 
organizes everything too. You can literally just drop all of your 
content into one folder and it sorts it out. I take it only one step 
further and have a sub folder for myself and another for my wife to 
keep our stuff easily segregated.


-Ty



-Ty

On Mon, Nov 23, 2015 at 9:11 AM, Paul Stewart > wrote:


No idea what it uses behind the scenes… thought it was their own ..

Regardless, I’m a huge PLEX fan as well .. I have about 60TB of
NAS filled with “video content” that I use both locally and remote
… works extremely well!

*From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com
] *On Behalf Of *David
*Sent:* Monday, November 23, 2015 9:28 AM


*To:* af@afmug.com 
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: Vmware Vs Xen

I believe Plex uses MythTV for the video streaming portion of that
APP does it not?

On 11/23/2015 07:26 AM, Jon Bruce wrote:

+1

On 11/20/2015 7:30 PM, SmarterBroadband wrote:

Plex

*From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *David
*Sent:* Friday, November 20, 2015 9:34 AM
*To:* af@afmug.com 
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: Vmware Vs Xen

I have a Media Center on freenas and a Web server but I
also need some space to development on distros and some
extensive perl coding.
My media centre is accessible from anywhere but I have
been needing to move into a more vituralized environment
instead of
having to keep old nas boxes laying around and continuing
to repair them.
 MythTV rulz LOL
I now have over 16TB of movies on my system and the
ripping software has got much better over time so I am
going back to
some older shows and reproducing them to a higher quality.
Music has got better on ripping also.
 My issue is having to tag all these things.

On 11/20/2015 11:21 AM, Sterling Jacobson wrote:

I’ve thought about KVM host.

But since I keep my windows 10 desktop on all the time
I’m going to just experiment with Microsoft VM stuff.

My goal this year was to remove all but one computers
in my house, except the mobile/laptops.

I’m almost there.

I have one Windows box running four stations that my
kids use for gaming and homework.

And I have my box.

I’m transitioning my backup from WHS 2011 to just some
disks hanging off my Nighthawk router now.

*From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of
*David
*Sent:* Friday, November 20, 2015 10:14 AM
*To:* Animal Farm  
*Subject:* [AFMUG] OT: Vmware Vs Xen

I am doing a home brew vmhost at home and I am tossing
around using XEN vs Vmware like I use at the office.
From what I gather of Xen alot is done within the CLI
but I am looking for a client like VMware host client
that will
give me the gui interface to manage host on XEN

Any ideas or thoughts are welcome

-- 

Re: [AFMUG] OT: Vmware Vs Xen

[Ty Featherling]

I use bittorrent to rip my BluRay discs... allegedly.

-Ty



-Ty

On Mon, Nov 23, 2015 at 11:27 AM, David  wrote:

> What are you using to rip blu rays?
>  I am only having success with MKV and Handbreak
>
>
> On 11/23/2015 10:26 AM, Ty Featherling wrote:
>
> +1 on Plex. It is my own private Netflix. I stream it using my Chromecast,
> Roku2, RokuStick, and a browser. Works great everywhere and pulls in all of
> the meta data for any titles you load up. It organizes everything too. You
> can literally just drop all of your content into one folder and it sorts it
> out. I take it only one step further and have a sub folder for myself and
> another for my wife to keep our stuff easily segregated.
>
> -Ty
>
>
>
> -Ty
>
> On Mon, Nov 23, 2015 at 9:11 AM, Paul Stewart 
> wrote:
>
>> No idea what it uses behind the scenes… thought it was their own ..
>>
>>
>>
>> Regardless, I’m a huge PLEX fan as well .. I have about 60TB of NAS
>> filled with “video content” that I use both locally and remote … works
>> extremely well!
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *David
>> *Sent:* Monday, November 23, 2015 9:28 AM
>>
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: Vmware Vs Xen
>>
>>
>>
>> I believe Plex uses MythTV for the video streaming portion of that APP
>> does it not?
>>
>> On 11/23/2015 07:26 AM, Jon Bruce wrote:
>>
>> +1
>>
>> On 11/20/2015 7:30 PM, SmarterBroadband wrote:
>>
>> Plex
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] *On
>> Behalf Of *David
>> *Sent:* Friday, November 20, 2015 9:34 AM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: Vmware Vs Xen
>>
>>
>>
>> I have a Media Center on freenas and a Web server but I also need some
>> space to development on distros and some extensive perl coding.
>> My media centre is accessible from anywhere but I have been needing to
>> move into a more vituralized environment instead of
>> having to keep old nas boxes laying around and continuing to repair them.
>>  MythTV rulz LOL
>> I now have over 16TB of movies on my system and the ripping software has
>> got much better over time so I am going back to
>> some older shows and reproducing them to a higher quality. Music has got
>> better on ripping also.
>>  My issue is having to tag all these things.
>>
>>
>>
>> On 11/20/2015 11:21 AM, Sterling Jacobson wrote:
>>
>> I’ve thought about KVM host.
>>
>>
>>
>> But since I keep my windows 10 desktop on all the time I’m going to just
>> experiment with Microsoft VM stuff.
>>
>>
>>
>> My goal this year was to remove all but one computers in my house, except
>> the mobile/laptops.
>>
>>
>>
>> I’m almost there.
>>
>>
>>
>> I have one Windows box running four stations that my kids use for gaming
>> and homework.
>>
>>
>>
>> And I have my box.
>>
>>
>>
>> I’m transitioning my backup from WHS 2011 to just some disks hanging off
>> my Nighthawk router now.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] *On
>> Behalf Of *David
>> *Sent:* Friday, November 20, 2015 10:14 AM
>> *To:* Animal Farm  
>> *Subject:* [AFMUG] OT: Vmware Vs Xen
>>
>>
>>
>> I am doing a home brew vmhost at home and I am tossing around using XEN
>> vs Vmware like I use at the office.
>> From what I gather of Xen alot is done within the CLI but I am looking
>> for a client like VMware host client that will
>> give me the gui interface to manage host on XEN
>>
>> Any ideas or thoughts are welcome
>>
>> --
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] do you guys install CPE's in the winter time?

[Jay Weekley]

I think he's worried about his rooster.  Must be a big shoe to hold both 
his foot and a whole chicken.


Chuck McCown wrote:

Not sure I got the shoe and splinters bit...
*From:* Josh Luthman 
*Sent:* Sunday, November 22, 2015 6:38 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com 
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] do you guys install CPE's in the winter time?

A moment with Steve.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Nov 22, 2015 8:29 PM, "That One Guy /sarcasm" 
> wrote:


It really depends on the estrogen content of your installers, When
I was installing there was one time only I didnt go out and that
was because the boss forced me not to, I had the van loaded and
was heading out, we had black ice everywhere and it was negative
dick drop out. But I dressed for the weather and have to stuff my
cock in my shoe just to avoid picking up splinters on wood floors.
Fast forward to pussies running the trucks and I kept them in
house last thursday because of the wind, If it "might be" white
out, they dont go out, if its freezing rain they dont go out, If
its in the negatives, they tend to not go out, if they dont have a
fresh tampax in they dont go out.
You kind of need to find the middle ground there
On Sun, Nov 22, 2015 at 7:21 PM, Paul McCall > wrote:

We supply plenty of high SPF sunscreen and make sure the guys
are well hydrated.  Our temperature cut-off is about 95
degrees.  Anything above that and the install would have to wait

:)

/ducking

-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com
] On Behalf Of Tim Reichhart
Sent: Saturday, November 21, 2015 2:14 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: [AFMUG] do you guys install CPE's in the winter time?

Do any of you guys in the winter time install CPE's? If so
what is your temperature cut off time and what you wear during
the install?







-- 
If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see

your team as part of yourself you have already failed as part of
the team.

Re: [AFMUG] PLEX

[Gerard Dupont III]

Not directly, but it supports devices such as Tablo via its plugin/channel
system.

On Mon, Nov 23, 2015 at 12:05 PM, Lewis Bergman 
wrote:

> So I hear some of you suggesting PLEX. does PLEX have some kind of channel
> guide ala Dish or Direct it can use with an OTA antenna?
>

Re: [AFMUG] OT: The best PDF on a .gov URL ever

[Ken Hohhof]

http://www.gocomics.com/poochcafe/2015/05/31

From: D. Ryan Spott 
Sent: Monday, November 23, 2015 9:39 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: The best PDF on a .gov URL ever

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kTwqmj1551E

ryan

On 11/20/15 5:37 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:

  Had  no idea those vacuums were liable to switch themselves on and attack!

  From: Eric Kuhnke 
  Sent: Friday, November 20, 2015 6:02 PM
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Subject: [AFMUG] OT: The best PDF on a .gov URL ever

  The right side column.


  I guess you could say that really sucks.

  http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1713722/pdf/brmedj00028-0030b.pdf






-- 
D. Ryan Spott | NGC457, llc
broadband | telco | colo | communities
PO Box 1734 Sultan, WA 98294
425-939-0047

Re: [AFMUG] OT Cats are Christian - Who knew!

[Jaime Solorza]

One of my life long friends is the closest thing I know to being Christ
like...and he is agnostic.I also have two friends that supposedly are
deeply religious and both dabbled in infidelity last yearthey lose
credibility with me just like pedophile priests and prosperity Gospel
preachers.I admit I am not perfect but I also don't pretend to be
On Nov 23, 2015 12:13 PM,  wrote:

> I certainly agree with the last paragraph.  Very prevalent in Utah.
> But saying someone is a “Good Christian Man” to me just says they attempt
> to live their religion.
>
> I prefer to deal with and associate with folks that truly attempt to live
> by Christian ideals.
> To me that is just a superset of very ethical people.  Hard to find folks
> like that, irrespective of religion or lack thereof.
>
>
> *From:* Patrick Leary 
> *Sent:* Monday, November 23, 2015 12:05 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Cats are Christian - Who knew!
>
>
> I’m not offended, but I do want to make a point.
>
>
>
> I know a few Christians who meet that definition as well – demons from
> hell. I also know many atheists who act far more Christian than some
> Christians I know. And, since 1999 I’ve worked for businesses run by Jews.
> I’ve thus known countless Jews who are decent “Christ-like” people. I’ve
> also had the occasion to know some Muslims I’d trust with my life
> (including as a soldier).
>
>
>
> I always cringe when I hear some version of, “Oh, he’s a good Christian
> man…,” the implication being that means something special and thus anything
> other than Christian is something less, somehow untrustworthy. It is an
> inherently bigoted statement, without even the person saying it realizing
> it.
>
>
>
> For me, the very last man I will trust is the one who forwards his claimed
> religion as a reason to trust him. I prefer people who don’t require God
> looking over their shoulder to do the right and ethical thing.
>
>
>
> Patrick
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *That One Guy
> /sarcasm
> *Sent:* Monday, November 23, 2015 1:26 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Cats are Christian - Who knew!
>
>
>
> Cats cannot be Christians as they are incarnations of demons sent from
> hell.
>
>
>
> On Mon, Nov 23, 2015 at 12:21 PM, Lewis Bergman 
> wrote:
>
> I find it hilarious.I still dislike cats, but now I have an appreciation
> for some of their talents.
>
>
>
> On Mon, Nov 23, 2015 at 12:16 PM  wrote:
>
> You go on the list
>
>
>
> *From:* That One Guy /sarcasm 
>
> *Sent:* Monday, November 23, 2015 11:15 AM
>
> *To:* af@afmug.com
>
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Cats are Christian - Who knew!
>
>
>
> I find this offensive
>
>
>
> On Mon, Nov 23, 2015 at 12:05 PM,  wrote:
>
> [image: Embedded image permalink]
>
>
>
>
>
> --
>
> If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team
> as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
>
>
>
>
>
> --
>
> If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team
> as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
>
>
>
>
>
> 
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> 
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>
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[AFMUG] OT now for something completely different

[chuck]

I dare you to be offended!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YbYWhdLO43Q

Re: [AFMUG] Cold weather glove recommendations

[Jaime Solorza]

Carthart ,A630
On Nov 23, 2015 1:39 PM, "Jaime Solorza"  wrote:

> The bow hunter  ones I brought last year have been great.   I am going to
> get another pair.   I used today on tower climb.   I will get you a picture
> in a bit..
> On Nov 23, 2015 12:46 PM, "Jay Weekley"  wrote:
>
>> Winter is approaching in the great white north Alabama and this old mans
>> hands don't stand up well to our miserable, cold weather.  What are the
>> best gloves for working in the cold but still maintain some kind of
>> dexterity for using small tools and drills?
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Cold weather glove recommendations

[Jay Weekley]

That would be great.

Jaime Solorza wrote:


The bow hunter  ones I brought last year have been great.   I am going 
to get another pair.   I used today on tower climb.   I will get you a 
picture in a bit..


On Nov 23, 2015 12:46 PM, "Jay Weekley" > wrote:


Winter is approaching in the great white north Alabama and this
old mans hands don't stand up well to our miserable, cold weather.
What are the best gloves for working in the cold but still
maintain some kind of dexterity for using small tools and drills?

Re: [AFMUG] OT Cats are Christian - Who knew!

[Ken Hohhof]

Much of what is done in the name of religion reminds me of “Lord of the Flies”. 
 And that was before social media.

If 12 year old Wisconsin girls can stab a third girl almost to death to impress 
“Slender Man”, just think what people can be convinced to do (or can 
rationalize) because someone says it is God’s will.

At least the Crips and Bloods, or the Bandidos and Cossacks, don’t use religion 
to justify their violence.


From: Jaime Solorza 
Sent: Monday, November 23, 2015 2:51 PM
To: Animal Farm 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Cats are Christian - Who knew!

One of my life long friends is the closest thing I know to being Christ 
like...and he is agnostic.I also have two friends that supposedly are 
deeply religious and both dabbled in infidelity last yearthey lose 
credibility with me just like pedophile priests and prosperity Gospel 
preachers.I admit I am not perfect but I also don't pretend to be

On Nov 23, 2015 12:13 PM,  wrote:

  I certainly agree with the last paragraph.  Very prevalent in Utah.
  But saying someone is a “Good Christian Man” to me just says they attempt to 
live their religion.  

  I prefer to deal with and associate with folks that truly attempt to live by 
Christian ideals.  
  To me that is just a superset of very ethical people.  Hard to find folks 
like that, irrespective of religion or lack thereof.  


  From: Patrick Leary 
  Sent: Monday, November 23, 2015 12:05 PM
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Cats are Christian - Who knew!

  I’m not offended, but I do want to make a point. 



  I know a few Christians who meet that definition as well – demons from hell. 
I also know many atheists who act far more Christian than some Christians I 
know. And, since 1999 I’ve worked for businesses run by Jews. I’ve thus known 
countless Jews who are decent “Christ-like” people. I’ve also had the occasion 
to know some Muslims I’d trust with my life (including as a soldier).



  I always cringe when I hear some version of, “Oh, he’s a good Christian 
man…,” the implication being that means something special and thus anything 
other than Christian is something less, somehow untrustworthy. It is an 
inherently bigoted statement, without even the person saying it realizing it.



  For me, the very last man I will trust is the one who forwards his claimed 
religion as a reason to trust him. I prefer people who don’t require God 
looking over their shoulder to do the right and ethical thing.



  Patrick



  From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of That One Guy /sarcasm
  Sent: Monday, November 23, 2015 1:26 PM
  To: af@afmug.com
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Cats are Christian - Who knew!



  Cats cannot be Christians as they are incarnations of demons sent from hell.



  On Mon, Nov 23, 2015 at 12:21 PM, Lewis Bergman  
wrote:

I find it hilarious.I still dislike cats, but now I have an appreciation 
for some of their talents.



On Mon, Nov 23, 2015 at 12:16 PM  wrote:

  You go on the list



  From: That One Guy /sarcasm 

  Sent: Monday, November 23, 2015 11:15 AM

  To: af@afmug.com 

  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Cats are Christian - Who knew!



  I find this offensive



  On Mon, Nov 23, 2015 at 12:05 PM,  wrote:









  -- 

  If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team 
as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.







  -- 

  If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as 
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.




  

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Re: [AFMUG] OT now for something completely different

[Patrick Leary]

I just bought one….and sent the link to my kids. Daddy has no filter.


-  Patrick

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of ch...@wbmfg.com
Sent: Monday, November 23, 2015 3:58 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] OT now for something completely different

I dare you to be offended!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YbYWhdLO43Q





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[AFMUG] rooter?

[That One Guy /sarcasm]

im watching a video on mpls by some British fellow, he pronounces router as
rooter, is this the case on the other side of the pond? Is there a true
pronunciation or is it just a matter of regional dialect?

-- 
If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] OT now for something completely different

[Patrick Leary]

..3 actually, tmi, right. Chuck, I told the woman there you sent me. A lady 
named Wendy.. I see it’s a Utah company, so you maybe know these folks? Tell 
them nice job.

Patrick

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Patrick Leary
Sent: Monday, November 23, 2015 4:24 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT now for something completely different

I just bought one….and sent the link to my kids. Daddy has no filter.


-  Patrick

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of 
ch...@wbmfg.com
Sent: Monday, November 23, 2015 3:58 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] OT now for something completely different

I dare you to be offended!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YbYWhdLO43Q





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Re: [AFMUG] rooter?

[Brett A Mansfield]

I have a good friend from their. They always call it the root you take, so it 
makes sense that if the device is determining the "root" the packets should 
take, then it's a rooter. Haha. It does sound very funny to me. 

If you have kids that watch Thomas the train, they call sir topem hat "the fat 
controller". 

Thank you,
Brett A Mansfield

> On Nov 23, 2015, at 2:34 PM, That One Guy /sarcasm 
>  wrote:
> 
> im watching a video on mpls by some British fellow, he pronounces router as 
> rooter, is this the case on the other side of the pond? Is there a true 
> pronunciation or is it just a matter of regional dialect?
> 
> -- 
> If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as 
> part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] rooter?

[SmarterBroadband]

Yep, Brits say rooter.

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of That One Guy /sarcasm
Sent: Monday, November 23, 2015 1:34 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] rooter?

 

im watching a video on mpls by some British fellow, he pronounces router as 
rooter, is this the case on the other side of the pond? Is there a true 
pronunciation or is it just a matter of regional dialect?


 

-- 

If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as 
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] rooter?

[That One Guy /sarcasm]

-well if theyre going to be sending packets over here they better learn to
speak american (tic)

I wonder if we sound silly to them

On Mon, Nov 23, 2015 at 3:43 PM, SmarterBroadband <
li...@smarterbroadband.com> wrote:

> Yep, Brits say rooter.
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *That One Guy
> /sarcasm
> *Sent:* Monday, November 23, 2015 1:34 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* [AFMUG] rooter?
>
>
>
> im watching a video on mpls by some British fellow, he pronounces router
> as rooter, is this the case on the other side of the pond? Is there a true
> pronunciation or is it just a matter of regional dialect?
>
>
>
> --
>
> If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team
> as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
>



-- 
If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.