Re: [AFMUG] Customer w/ Power of Ethernet - Speed problems?

[Brandon Yuchasz]

I had a customers router recently that was set to 3/1 it was somewhere in the 
firmware of the router. I bounced around in the router for a few minutes but 
could not find the settings. I took a screen cap of a speed test through the 
router 3/1 and a screen cap of the laptop plugged directly into the Ethernet 
12/3 and sent them both to him. I believe he finally just replaced the router.

If he gets the same speed regardless of what you set him to might be similar.

 

Best regards,

Brandon Yuchasz

GogebicRange.net

www.gogebicrange.net  

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Tyson Burris @ Internet 
Communications Inc
Sent: Thursday, June 16, 2016 2:43 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Cc: memb...@wispa.org
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Customer w/ Power of Ethernet - Speed problems?

 

The Ethernet gear was installed already when we arrived.  He had configured the 
stuff on his own.  The customer has the same complaint no matter what speed we 
set him at.  

 

Tyson Burris, President 
Internet Communications Inc. 
739 Commerce Dr. 
Franklin, IN 46131 
  
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From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman
Sent: Thursday, June 16, 2016 3:36 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Cc: memb...@wispa.org
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Customer w/ Power of Ethernet - Speed problems?

 

Did the issue come in to play with this Netgear thing (are you sure it isn't 
Ethernet over Power)?  Or when you went from 20meg to 30meg.




 

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
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Troy, OH 45373

 

On Thu, Jun 16, 2016 at 3:32 PM, Tyson Burris @ Internet Communications Inc 
 wrote:

Toss your thoughts out…

 

First customer that installer has come across with new Netgear Power of 
Ethernet gear.  Customers main router is just a N300 which does PPPoE to our 
network.  

Account was set to 20Mbps and now 30Mbps.  Speed tests are good from radio out. 
 Customer says from inside his network he only gets 9-12Mbps, with no traffic 
or users.  

 

Curious if anyone has come across this power of Ethernet in an install.  Does 
it work ok or cause issues? How do routers handle the traffic?

 

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Internet Communications Inc. 
739 Commerce Dr. 
Franklin, IN 46131 
  
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317-412-1540 Cell/Direct # 
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Re: [AFMUG] Building small GPON network

[Bill Prince]

And when Chunk gets with Amy, watch out.


bp


On 6/16/2016 10:17 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:

I’ll have to remember that chunk is the expert.
*From:* Lewis Bergman 
*Sent:* Thursday, June 16, 2016 11:46 AM
*To:* af@afmug.com 
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Building small GPON network

I love my Samsung auto correct. I stopped reading it Beggs i send just 
to see what comes out.



On Thu, Jun 16, 2016, 11:40 AM Chuck McCown > wrote:


That Amy, she has some odd tastes

-Original Message-
From: Josh Reynolds
Sent: Thursday, June 16, 2016 10:39 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Building small GPON network

"I want Amy good at it but it was a passion in the ass."

Best quote of the day. Thanks Lewis! :)

On Thu, Jun 16, 2016 at 11:37 AM, Lewis Bergman
>
wrote:
> I want Amy good at it but it was a passion in the ass. Bunches
of midspan
> splits seems to be a pita. I'd the place is small enough and
small you are
> just learning maybe do smaller fiber count so you have less cuts
and just
> run more.
> But, chunk is the expert.  We opted to spend more on
equipment/fiber and
> go
> all tap so the maintenance wouldn't require splicing. But, to
each his
> own.
> It seems fiber isn't that much different than anything else. You
can spend
> as much as you want and to some extent you replace labor dollars
with
> equipment dollars and vice versa.  Then it becomes what route if
equipment
> and people you have and the incremental cost to do this job when you
> already
> have all that.  e Didn't so we went tap.
>
> On Thu, Jun 16, 2016, 11:23 AM Bruce Robertson > wrote:
>>
>> > With active, each strand has to run back to a switch somewhere.
>>
>> Right, I got that.  I'm talking mechanically on the pole, in
front of the
>> house.  How do you suck their one fiber out of the 144 count 
up on the

>> pole?
>>
>>
>> On 06/16/2016 09:22 AM, Josh Reynolds wrote:
>>
>> On gpon via a splitter. 1 fiber in, multiple fibers out. Can be
on the
>> pole, in a pedestal, or even in the ground in a hand hole.
>>
>> With active, each strand has to run back to a switch somewhere.
>>
>> On Jun 16, 2016 11:20 AM, "Bruce Robertson" > wrote:
>>>
>>> Noob question - mechanically, how do you break out an
individual fiber
>>> outside the dwelling?
>>>
>>> On 06/16/2016 09:15 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:

 Something that small, run 144 count fiber, home run to each
dwelling
 and
 then choose active or PON back at your cabinet.

 -Original Message- From: Rob Genovesi
 Sent: Thursday, June 16, 2016 10:14 AM
 To: af@afmug.com 
 Subject: [AFMUG] Building small GPON network

 We're looking at our first fiber neighborhood project, about
90 homes.
 The neighborhood will be fed via wireless and fiber used for
 distribution.  It's 100% aerial in remote private neighborhood.
 Currently in the research/feasibility stage, but I hope this
will be
 our first build and a good project to cut our teeth on.

 A few questions, answer off-list if you prefer:

 - What OLT/ONT have people been using and liked for a small GPON
 network?

 - Reading about "Distributed Tap Architecture" vs Splitting
method.
 Anyone have experience with Tap?

 - Armored or Dielectric?  100% aerial at the bottom of a
canyon under
 dense tree canopy.

 I'm sure there will be more questions, thanks in advance for any
 sharing.


 Rob Genovesi • Coastside.Net • Owner
 650-712-5900 • 525B Obispo Rd • Half Moon Bay CA






>>>
>> !DSPAM:2,5762d245184159820018358!
>>
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Seen this Brocade before?

[Josh Reynolds]

Interesting

... can... can it run JUNOS? ;)

All kidding aside, I'm glad they are continuing their hardware dev. Their
presence is needed in the market.

On Thu, Jun 16, 2016 at 4:25 PM, Mike Hammett  wrote:

> Don't worry, no one has. First public pictures.
>
> https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp/posts/910364895755630
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Midwest Internet Exchange 
> 
> 
> 
> The Brothers WISP 
> 
>
>
> 
>

Re: [AFMUG] voip sip service

[Adam Moffett]

The largest amount of time I ever wasted on VoIP was with a customer who 
brought their own devices.  They were trying to use mostly Android/iOS 
apps.  The results were inconsistent.




-- Original Message --
From: "Ken Hohhof" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: 6/16/2016 4:10:36 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] voip sip service

I wouldn’t want to support any VoIP device unless (1) I had tested it 
in the lab, (2) I had templates for how to set up all the parameters, 
and (3) I had a test phone in the lab for troubleshooting.  Hence a 
supported devices list.  It’s your choice whether to offer the customer 
the option of configuring and using their own phone with the 
understanding you won’t support it.  Personally that sounds like a bad 
idea, because you get into a pissing match whether a problem is with 
your service, or the unsupported device, and it’s your fault until you 
prove it’s not.


From:Josh Luthman
Sent: Thursday, June 16, 2016 3:03 PM
To:af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] voip sip service

Personally I wouldn't.  That's like having your Cambium APs and 
customer's self installing their radios.



Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Thu, Jun 16, 2016 at 4:01 PM, David  wrote:
Ok, I need some insight on providing just a single voip line to a 
customer.
Currently we are just resellers for a voip provider but occasionally 
we run into the customer that just wants
use their own cheap grandstream phone and our provider wants to sell 
em a new phone with service. which isnt bad but customer

wants to use their grandstream phone.

Thanks
Dave

--

Re: [AFMUG] AF24 rebooting and freezing at power events

[Mathew Howard]

We had one that was locking up everytime there was a power failure...
replace the power supply and it hasn't happened again, but the original
faulty power supply had already been replaced way back.

On Thu, Jun 16, 2016 at 11:50 AM, That One Guy /sarcasm <
thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:

> There was that initial faulty power supply fiasco with these, though by
> now I would figure those are all in landfills leeching toxins
>
> On Thu, Jun 16, 2016 at 11:42 AM, Jaime Solorza  > wrote:
>
>> We have a voltage regulator on a POP repeater site in maintenance room on
>> roof of 11 story building.   Power would vary allot so equipment had
>> issues... now back hauls, APs and Cisco switches are happy... AC to
>> regulator to UPS to managed power distribution system to equipment..
>> On Jun 16, 2016 10:36 AM, "Josh Reynolds"  wrote:
>>
>>> ^ This
>>>
>>> Also, you want to feed it PSW power if you can, not squared/clipped.
>>>
>>> On Thu, Jun 16, 2016 at 11:34 AM, Jaime Solorza
>>>  wrote:
>>> > Is power regulated?   Not sure if APCs do that
>>> >
>>> > On Jun 16, 2016 10:29 AM, "Gino Villarini" 
>>> wrote:
>>> >
>>> > We have about 50 AF24 links deployed and we are seeing that the units
>>> are
>>> > freezing at power events.  We are using factory PS and the units are
>>> > connected to APC UPS units.
>>> >
>>> > At events, the AF24 requiere a hard reboot in order to get them back to
>>> > work.
>>> >
>>> > Other equipment connected to the UPS do not get affected, not even
>>> reboots.
>>> >
>>> > Any ideas?
>>>
>>
>
>
> --
> If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team
> as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
>

Re: [AFMUG] Seen this Brocade before?

[Seth Mattinen]

On 6/16/16 14:25, Mike Hammett wrote:

Don't worry, no one has. First public pictures.

https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp/posts/910364895755630





Needs more power supplies.

~Seth

[AFMUG] Seen this Brocade before?

[Mike Hammett]

Don't worry, no one has. First public pictures. 

https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp/posts/910364895755630 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 

Re: [AFMUG] voip sip service

[Josh Luthman]

Can we make fun of BroFi yet?


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Thu, Jun 16, 2016 at 4:12 PM, David  wrote:

> Better yet a  tower that emits Magic WIFI for 40 miles and any device can
> click on it :)
> Or some customers call it WEE-FEE... OMG..
>
>
> On 06/16/2016 03:03 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:
>
> Personally I wouldn't.  That's like having your Cambium APs and customer's
> self installing their radios.
>
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
> On Thu, Jun 16, 2016 at 4:01 PM, David  wrote:
>
>> Ok, I need some insight on providing just a single voip line to a
>> customer.
>> Currently we are just resellers for a voip provider but occasionally we
>> run into the customer that just wants
>> use their own cheap grandstream phone and our provider wants to sell em a
>> new phone with service. which isnt bad but customer
>> wants to use their grandstream phone.
>>
>> Thanks
>> Dave
>>
>> --
>>
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Building small GPON network

[Eric Kuhnke]

Clearfield has a nice small weatherproof pole mountable patch panel that
can be used for active E or gpon. It's circular in shape. Designed for use
with clearfield's 1 or 2 strand drop cables.
On Jun 16, 2016 9:48 AM, "Lewis Bergman"  wrote:

> Clearfield is what we used.  I liked the fact that the fiber was pretty
> tough and could be manhandled without damage.  They have a great catalog
> for beginners like me.
>
> On Thu, Jun 16, 2016, 11:46 AM Lewis Bergman 
> wrote:
>
>> I love my Samsung auto correct. I stopped reading it Beggs i send just to
>> see what comes out.
>>
>> On Thu, Jun 16, 2016, 11:40 AM Chuck McCown  wrote:
>>
>>> That Amy, she has some odd tastes
>>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: Josh Reynolds
>>> Sent: Thursday, June 16, 2016 10:39 AM
>>> To: af@afmug.com
>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Building small GPON network
>>>
>>> "I want Amy good at it but it was a passion in the ass."
>>>
>>> Best quote of the day. Thanks Lewis! :)
>>>
>>> On Thu, Jun 16, 2016 at 11:37 AM, Lewis Bergman >> >
>>> wrote:
>>> > I want Amy good at it but it was a passion in the ass. Bunches of
>>> midspan
>>> > splits seems to be a pita. I'd the place is small enough and small you
>>> are
>>> > just learning maybe do smaller fiber count so you have less cuts and
>>> just
>>> > run more.
>>> > But, chunk is the expert.  We opted to spend more on equipment/fiber
>>> and
>>> > go
>>> > all tap so the maintenance wouldn't require splicing. But, to each his
>>> > own.
>>> > It seems fiber isn't that much different than anything else. You can
>>> spend
>>> > as much as you want and to some extent you replace labor dollars with
>>> > equipment dollars and vice versa.  Then it becomes what route if
>>> equipment
>>> > and people you have and the incremental cost to do this job when you
>>> > already
>>> > have all that.  e Didn't so we went tap.
>>> >
>>> > On Thu, Jun 16, 2016, 11:23 AM Bruce Robertson  wrote:
>>> >>
>>> >> > With active, each strand has to run back to a switch somewhere.
>>> >>
>>> >> Right, I got that.  I'm talking mechanically on the pole, in front of
>>> the
>>> >> house.  How do you suck their one fiber out of the 144 count  up on
>>> the
>>> >> pole?
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >> On 06/16/2016 09:22 AM, Josh Reynolds wrote:
>>> >>
>>> >> On gpon via a splitter. 1 fiber in, multiple fibers out. Can be on the
>>> >> pole, in a pedestal, or even in the ground in a hand hole.
>>> >>
>>> >> With active, each strand has to run back to a switch somewhere.
>>> >>
>>> >> On Jun 16, 2016 11:20 AM, "Bruce Robertson"  wrote:
>>> >>>
>>> >>> Noob question - mechanically, how do you break out an individual
>>> fiber
>>> >>> outside the dwelling?
>>> >>>
>>> >>> On 06/16/2016 09:15 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:
>>> 
>>>  Something that small, run 144 count fiber, home run to each dwelling
>>>  and
>>>  then choose active or PON back at your cabinet.
>>> 
>>>  -Original Message- From: Rob Genovesi
>>>  Sent: Thursday, June 16, 2016 10:14 AM
>>>  To: af@afmug.com
>>>  Subject: [AFMUG] Building small GPON network
>>> 
>>>  We're looking at our first fiber neighborhood project, about 90
>>> homes.
>>>  The neighborhood will be fed via wireless and fiber used for
>>>  distribution.  It's 100% aerial in remote private neighborhood.
>>>  Currently in the research/feasibility stage, but I hope this will be
>>>  our first build and a good project to cut our teeth on.
>>> 
>>>  A few questions, answer off-list if you prefer:
>>> 
>>>  - What OLT/ONT have people been using and liked for a small GPON
>>>  network?
>>> 
>>>  - Reading about "Distributed Tap Architecture" vs Splitting method.
>>>  Anyone have experience with Tap?
>>> 
>>>  - Armored or Dielectric?  100% aerial at the bottom of a canyon
>>> under
>>>  dense tree canopy.
>>> 
>>>  I'm sure there will be more questions, thanks in advance for any
>>>  sharing.
>>> 
>>> 
>>>  Rob Genovesi • Coastside.Net • Owner
>>>  650-712-5900 • 525B Obispo Rd • Half Moon Bay CA
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> >>>
>>> >> !DSPAM:2,5762d245184159820018358!
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >
>>>
>>>

Re: [AFMUG] voip sip service

[David]

Better yet a  tower that emits Magic WIFI for 40 miles and any device 
can click on it :)

Or some customers call it WEE-FEE... OMG..


On 06/16/2016 03:03 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:
Personally I wouldn't.  That's like having your Cambium APs and 
customer's self installing their radios.



Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Thu, Jun 16, 2016 at 4:01 PM, David > wrote:


Ok, I need some insight on providing just a single voip line to a
customer.
Currently we are just resellers for a voip provider but
occasionally we run into the customer that just wants
use their own cheap grandstream phone and our provider wants to
sell em a new phone with service. which isnt bad but customer
wants to use their grandstream phone.

Thanks
Dave

-- 

Re: [AFMUG] voip sip service

[Ken Hohhof]

I wouldn’t want to support any VoIP device unless (1) I had tested it in the 
lab, (2) I had templates for how to set up all the parameters, and (3) I had a 
test phone in the lab for troubleshooting.  Hence a supported devices list.  
It’s your choice whether to offer the customer the option of configuring and 
using their own phone with the understanding you won’t support it.  Personally 
that sounds like a bad idea, because you get into a pissing match whether a 
problem is with your service, or the unsupported device, and it’s your fault 
until you prove it’s not.

From: Josh Luthman 
Sent: Thursday, June 16, 2016 3:03 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] voip sip service

Personally I wouldn't.  That's like having your Cambium APs and customer's self 
installing their radios.


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Thu, Jun 16, 2016 at 4:01 PM, David  wrote:

  Ok, I need some insight on providing just a single voip line to a customer.
  Currently we are just resellers for a voip provider but occasionally we run 
into the customer that just wants 
  use their own cheap grandstream phone and our provider wants to sell em a new 
phone with service. which isnt bad but customer
  wants to use their grandstream phone.

  Thanks
  Dave


  -- 

Re: [AFMUG] Customer w/ Power of Ethernet - Speed problems?

[David]

Ahh yes the BPL stuff :)
they only work well if they share the same breaker in the panel and even 
then can be questionable.
I would have installer/tech or customer take a cable and run it straight 
over to the other end and plug in and see what ya get.



On 06/16/2016 02:46 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
I think you mean Powerline networking, using the home power wiring to 
carry data, aka Homeplug.  Speed, latency, packet loss can be all over 
the map on these depending on interference on the power wiring, and 
whether they are on the same breaker, phase, meter, etc.
If there is being used to extend the LAN side of the router to other 
parts of the house, I would absolutely refuse to deal with any speed 
complaints except directly on a LAN port of the main router.
If the homeplug stuff is being used between your POE and the WAN port 
of the router, I would still not respond to speed complaints over the 
homeplug link.  I would insist they temporarily move the router to 
connect directly to the POE and if speeds are OK, it’s their problem.
I have seen various generations of homeplug gear work just terrible in 
situations where I tried to use it (like going from a house to a 
garage), but I assume some places it works OK.  (Sounds like Trump 
talking about Mexicans ... and some I assume are good people.)

*From:* mailto:t...@franklinisp.net
*Sent:* Thursday, June 16, 2016 2:32 PM
*To:* memb...@wispa.org  ; af@afmug.com 


*Subject:* [AFMUG] Customer w/ Power of Ethernet - Speed problems?

Toss your thoughts out…

First customer that installer has come across with new Netgear Power 
of Ethernet gear. Customers main router is just a N300 which does 
PPPoE to our network.


Account was set to 20Mbps and now 30Mbps.  Speed tests are good from 
radio out.  Customer says from inside his network he only gets 
9-12Mbps, with no traffic or users.


Curious if anyone has come across this power of Ethernet in an 
install.  Does it work ok or cause issues? How do routers handle the 
traffic?


*Tyson Burris, President**
**Internet Communications Inc.**
**739 Commerce Dr.**
**Franklin, IN 46131**
***
*317-738-0320 Daytime #*
*317-412-1540 Cell/Direct #*
*Online: **www.surfici.net* 

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Re: [AFMUG] voip sip service

[Josh Luthman]

Personally I wouldn't.  That's like having your Cambium APs and customer's
self installing their radios.


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Thu, Jun 16, 2016 at 4:01 PM, David  wrote:

> Ok, I need some insight on providing just a single voip line to a customer.
> Currently we are just resellers for a voip provider but occasionally we
> run into the customer that just wants
> use their own cheap grandstream phone and our provider wants to sell em a
> new phone with service. which isnt bad but customer
> wants to use their grandstream phone.
>
> Thanks
> Dave
>
> --
>

[AFMUG] voip sip service

[David]

Ok, I need some insight on providing just a single voip line to a customer.
Currently we are just resellers for a voip provider but occasionally we 
run into the customer that just wants
use their own cheap grandstream phone and our provider wants to sell em 
a new phone with service. which isnt bad but customer

wants to use their grandstream phone.

Thanks
Dave

--

Re: [AFMUG] Powercode GX426

[Kayse Internet - Curt Cormier]

We have a little one, but I think we are making it scream now. May have to bite 
the bullet and buy a new one as well.

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of That One Guy /sarcasm
Sent: Thursday, June 16, 2016 9:26 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Powercode GX426

lol last automatic we had was in october, october was a good month, only 
changed most of the network since then.

we just run two bmus mirrored on different parts of the network with ospf, that 
way if one croaks (assuming we lose ospf routing) the other picks up the slack

On Thu, Jun 16, 2016 at 9:16 AM, CBB - Jay Fuller 
> wrote:

yah, it is supposed to be automatic
supposed to be : /

- Original Message -
From: Jeremy
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Thursday, June 16, 2016 9:12 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Powercode GX426

Note to self:  Backup configs today.

On Thu, Jun 16, 2016 at 8:11 AM, Jeremy 
> wrote:
Then if it fails I use that one and STILL have to buy another one and limp 
along until it gets here.  I only want to fix that problem once.

On Thu, Jun 16, 2016 at 8:05 AM, Josh Luthman 
> wrote:
Buy the much smaller one for a spare.  It'll limp along for <24 hours.


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Thu, Jun 16, 2016 at 10:04 AM, Jeremy 
> wrote:
I've been asking the same question on the WISPA list since last year.  I think 
I'm going to have to bite the bullet and just buy one at full price.  That's 
just a lot of cash for a backup spare.

On Thu, Jun 16, 2016 at 6:38 AM, Kayse Internet - Curt Cormier 
> wrote:
Does anyone have a Powercode GX426 BMU they are looking to get rid of?



Thanks,
Curt







--
If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as 
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] Customer w/ Power of Ethernet - Speed problems?

[Ken Hohhof]

I think you mean Powerline networking, using the home power wiring to carry 
data, aka Homeplug.  Speed, latency, packet loss can be all over the map on 
these depending on interference on the power wiring, and whether they are on 
the same breaker, phase, meter, etc.

If there is being used to extend the LAN side of the router to other parts of 
the house, I would absolutely refuse to deal with any speed complaints except 
directly on a LAN port of the main router.

If the homeplug stuff is being used between your POE and the WAN port of the 
router, I would still not respond to speed complaints over the homeplug link.  
I would insist they temporarily move the router to connect directly to the POE 
and if speeds are OK, it’s their problem.

I have seen various generations of homeplug gear work just terrible in 
situations where I tried to use it (like going from a house to a garage), but I 
assume some places it works OK.  (Sounds like Trump talking about Mexicans ... 
and some I assume are good people.)


From: mailto:t...@franklinisp.net 
Sent: Thursday, June 16, 2016 2:32 PM
To: memb...@wispa.org ; af@afmug.com 
Subject: [AFMUG] Customer w/ Power of Ethernet - Speed problems?

Toss your thoughts out…

 

First customer that installer has come across with new Netgear Power of 
Ethernet gear.  Customers main router is just a N300 which does PPPoE to our 
network.  

Account was set to 20Mbps and now 30Mbps.  Speed tests are good from radio out. 
 Customer says from inside his network he only gets 9-12Mbps, with no traffic 
or users.  

 

Curious if anyone has come across this power of Ethernet in an install.  Does 
it work ok or cause issues? How do routers handle the traffic?

 

Tyson Burris, President 
Internet Communications Inc. 
739 Commerce Dr. 
Franklin, IN 46131 
  
317-738-0320 Daytime # 
317-412-1540 Cell/Direct # 
Online: www.surfici.net 

 



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Re: [AFMUG] Customer w/ Power of Ethernet - Speed problems?

[Joe Novak]

Sounds like you need to make it clear where your point of demarcation is.

I wouldn't let a installer install to one of those, personally.

On Thu, Jun 16, 2016 at 2:43 PM, Tyson Burris @ Internet Communications Inc
 wrote:

> The Ethernet gear was installed already when we arrived.  He had
> configured the stuff on his own.  The customer has the same complaint no
> matter what speed we set him at.
>
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>
>
>
> Did the issue come in to play with this Netgear thing (are you sure it
> isn't Ethernet over Power)?  Or when you went from 20meg to 30meg.
>
>
>
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> Josh Luthman
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>
>
> On Thu, Jun 16, 2016 at 3:32 PM, Tyson Burris @ Internet Communications
> Inc  wrote:
>
> Toss your thoughts out…
>
>
>
> First customer that installer has come across with new Netgear Power of
> Ethernet gear.  Customers main router is just a N300 which does PPPoE to
> our network.
>
> Account was set to 20Mbps and now 30Mbps.  Speed tests are good from radio
> out.  Customer says from inside his network he only gets 9-12Mbps, with no
> traffic or users.
>
>
>
> Curious if anyone has come across this power of Ethernet in an install.
> Does it work ok or cause issues? How do routers handle the traffic?
>
>
>
> *Tyson Burris, President*
> *Internet Communications Inc.*
> *739 Commerce Dr.*
> *Franklin, IN 46131*
>
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Re: [AFMUG] Customer w/ Power of Ethernet - Speed problems?

[Tyson Burris @ Internet Communications Inc]

The Ethernet gear was installed already when we arrived.  He had configured the 
stuff on his own.  The customer has the same complaint no matter what speed we 
set him at.  

 

Tyson Burris, President 
Internet Communications Inc. 
739 Commerce Dr. 
Franklin, IN 46131 
  
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From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman
Sent: Thursday, June 16, 2016 3:36 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Cc: memb...@wispa.org
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Customer w/ Power of Ethernet - Speed problems?

 

Did the issue come in to play with this Netgear thing (are you sure it isn't 
Ethernet over Power)?  Or when you went from 20meg to 30meg.




 

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Direct: 937-552-2343
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Troy, OH 45373

 

On Thu, Jun 16, 2016 at 3:32 PM, Tyson Burris @ Internet Communications Inc 
 > wrote:

Toss your thoughts out…

 

First customer that installer has come across with new Netgear Power of 
Ethernet gear.  Customers main router is just a N300 which does PPPoE to our 
network.  

Account was set to 20Mbps and now 30Mbps.  Speed tests are good from radio out. 
 Customer says from inside his network he only gets 9-12Mbps, with no traffic 
or users.  

 

Curious if anyone has come across this power of Ethernet in an install.  Does 
it work ok or cause issues? How do routers handle the traffic?

 

Tyson Burris, President 
Internet Communications Inc. 
739 Commerce Dr. 
Franklin, IN 46131 
  
317-738-0320   Daytime # 
317-412-1540   Cell/Direct # 
Online:   www.surfici.net 

 



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Re: [AFMUG] Customer w/ Power of Ethernet - Speed problems?

[David]

We have seen this issue on Linksys as well...
I believe its a qos scheduler it has built in and not sure how to turn 
it off.

Check to be sure DynDNs or Nat Dns is being used. If so turn it off.



On 06/16/2016 02:36 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:
Did the issue come in to play with this Netgear thing (are you sure it 
isn't Ethernet over Power)?  Or when you went from 20meg to 30meg.



Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Thu, Jun 16, 2016 at 3:32 PM, Tyson Burris @ Internet 
Communications Inc > wrote:


Toss your thoughts out…

First customer that installer has come across with new Netgear
Power of Ethernet gear. Customers main router is just a N300 which
does PPPoE to our network.

Account was set to 20Mbps and now 30Mbps.  Speed tests are good
from radio out. Customer says from inside his network he only gets
9-12Mbps, with no traffic or users.

Curious if anyone has come across this power of Ethernet in an
install.  Does it work ok or cause issues? How do routers handle
the traffic?

*Tyson Burris, President**
**Internet Communications Inc.**
**739 Commerce Dr.**
**Franklin, IN 46131**
***
*317-738-0320  Daytime #*
*317-412-1540  Cell/Direct #*
*Online: **www.surfici.net* 

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Re: [AFMUG] Customer w/ Power of Ethernet - Speed problems?

[Josh Luthman]

Did the issue come in to play with this Netgear thing (are you sure it
isn't Ethernet over Power)?  Or when you went from 20meg to 30meg.


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
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On Thu, Jun 16, 2016 at 3:32 PM, Tyson Burris @ Internet Communications Inc
 wrote:

> Toss your thoughts out…
>
>
>
> First customer that installer has come across with new Netgear Power of
> Ethernet gear.  Customers main router is just a N300 which does PPPoE to
> our network.
>
> Account was set to 20Mbps and now 30Mbps.  Speed tests are good from radio
> out.  Customer says from inside his network he only gets 9-12Mbps, with no
> traffic or users.
>
>
>
> Curious if anyone has come across this power of Ethernet in an install.
> Does it work ok or cause issues? How do routers handle the traffic?
>
>
>
> *Tyson Burris, President*
> *Internet Communications Inc.*
> *739 Commerce Dr.*
> *Franklin, IN 46131*
>
> *317-738-0320 <317-738-0320> Daytime #*
> *317-412-1540 <317-412-1540> Cell/Direct #*
> *Online: **www.surfici.net* 
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[AFMUG] Customer w/ Power of Ethernet - Speed problems?

[Tyson Burris @ Internet Communications Inc]

Toss your thoughts out.

 

First customer that installer has come across with new Netgear Power of
Ethernet gear.  Customers main router is just a N300 which does PPPoE to our
network.  

Account was set to 20Mbps and now 30Mbps.  Speed tests are good from radio
out.  Customer says from inside his network he only gets 9-12Mbps, with no
traffic or users.  

 

Curious if anyone has come across this power of Ethernet in an install.
Does it work ok or cause issues? How do routers handle the traffic?

 

Tyson Burris, President 
Internet Communications Inc. 
739 Commerce Dr. 
Franklin, IN 46131 
  
317-738-0320 Daytime # 
317-412-1540 Cell/Direct # 
Online: www.surfici.net 

 



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Re: [AFMUG] Building small GPON network

[Paul Stewart]

I really like the Clearfield stuff… seen it used in a lot of fiber builds in my 
previous job …. It’s solid, works, and you can tell they put a lot of thought 
into it …

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Lewis Bergman
Sent: June 16, 2016 1:28 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Building small GPON network

 

I am not saying that clearfield was the cheapest or best. For a fiber virgin 
they seemed to offer a good end to end solution that solved the issues i knew 
nothing about and did so without a large capital investment in equipment. 

 

On Thu, Jun 16, 2016, 12:17 PM Ken Hohhof  > wrote:

I’ll have to remember that chunk is the expert.

 

From: Lewis Bergman   

Sent: Thursday, June 16, 2016 11:46 AM

To: af@afmug.com   

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Building small GPON network

 

I love my Samsung auto correct. I stopped reading it Beggs i send just to see 
what comes out. 

 

On Thu, Jun 16, 2016, 11:40 AM Chuck McCown  > wrote:

That Amy, she has some odd tastes

-Original Message-
From: Josh Reynolds
Sent: Thursday, June 16, 2016 10:39 AM
To: af@afmug.com  
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Building small GPON network

"I want Amy good at it but it was a passion in the ass."

Best quote of the day. Thanks Lewis! :)

On Thu, Jun 16, 2016 at 11:37 AM, Lewis Bergman  >
wrote:
> I want Amy good at it but it was a passion in the ass. Bunches of midspan
> splits seems to be a pita. I'd the place is small enough and small you are
> just learning maybe do smaller fiber count so you have less cuts and just
> run more.
> But, chunk is the expert.  We opted to spend more on equipment/fiber and
> go
> all tap so the maintenance wouldn't require splicing. But, to each his
> own.
> It seems fiber isn't that much different than anything else. You can spend
> as much as you want and to some extent you replace labor dollars with
> equipment dollars and vice versa.  Then it becomes what route if equipment
> and people you have and the incremental cost to do this job when you
> already
> have all that.  e Didn't so we went tap.
>
> On Thu, Jun 16, 2016, 11:23 AM Bruce Robertson   > wrote:
>>
>> > With active, each strand has to run back to a switch somewhere.
>>
>> Right, I got that.  I'm talking mechanically on the pole, in front of the
>> house.  How do you suck their one fiber out of the 144 count  up on the
>> pole?
>>
>>
>> On 06/16/2016 09:22 AM, Josh Reynolds wrote:
>>
>> On gpon via a splitter. 1 fiber in, multiple fibers out. Can be on the
>> pole, in a pedestal, or even in the ground in a hand hole.
>>
>> With active, each strand has to run back to a switch somewhere.
>>
>> On Jun 16, 2016 11:20 AM, "Bruce Robertson" >  > wrote:
>>>
>>> Noob question - mechanically, how do you break out an individual fiber
>>> outside the dwelling?
>>>
>>> On 06/16/2016 09:15 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:

 Something that small, run 144 count fiber, home run to each dwelling
 and
 then choose active or PON back at your cabinet.

 -Original Message- From: Rob Genovesi
 Sent: Thursday, June 16, 2016 10:14 AM
 To: af@afmug.com  
 Subject: [AFMUG] Building small GPON network

 We're looking at our first fiber neighborhood project, about 90 homes.
 The neighborhood will be fed via wireless and fiber used for
 distribution.  It's 100% aerial in remote private neighborhood.
 Currently in the research/feasibility stage, but I hope this will be
 our first build and a good project to cut our teeth on.

 A few questions, answer off-list if you prefer:

 - What OLT/ONT have people been using and liked for a small GPON
 network?

 - Reading about "Distributed Tap Architecture" vs Splitting method.
 Anyone have experience with Tap?

 - Armored or Dielectric?  100% aerial at the bottom of a canyon under
 dense tree canopy.

 I'm sure there will be more questions, thanks in advance for any
 sharing.


 Rob Genovesi • Coastside.Net • Owner
 650-712-5900 • 525B Obispo Rd • Half Moon Bay CA






>>>
>> !DSPAM:2,5762d245184159820018358!
>>
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Building small GPON network

[Ken Hohhof]

I've been saving this cartoon for next time Steve gripes about his woman not 
making the sammiches.



-Original Message- 
From: Josh Reynolds

Sent: Thursday, June 16, 2016 1:10 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Building small GPON network

Are you not entertained?

On Thu, Jun 16, 2016 at 1:08 PM, George Skorup  wrote:

You'll be leaving the best place to see the rants of Steve Jones. Speaking
of, WTF Steve? Did you murder your coworkers and now have nothing to
entertain us with?

On 6/16/2016 1:00 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:

Just a joke =)


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Thu, Jun 16, 2016 at 1:58 PM, Rob Genovesi 
wrote:


And miss out on this fun?  Hellz no



On Thu, Jun 16, 2016 at 10:51 AM, Josh Luthman
 wrote:
> There's an unsubscribe link in the headers.
>
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
> On Thu, Jun 16, 2016 at 1:50 PM, Rob Genovesi 
> wrote:
>>
>> I am gaining all sorts of unexpected knowledge from this thread...
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Jun 16, 2016 at 10:37 AM, Lewis Bergman
>> 
>> wrote:
>> > Low hanging fruit. But more like getting ass hammered maybe.
>> >
>> >
>> > On Thu, Jun 16, 2016, 12:34 PM Ken Hohhof  wrote:
>> >>
>> >> Is hamming fruit like a Hamming code?
>> >>
>> >> From: Lewis Bergman
>> >> Sent: Thursday, June 16, 2016 12:29 PM
>> >> To: af@afmug.com
>> >> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Building small GPON network
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Damn. That was supposed to be self rape
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> On Thu, Jun 16, 2016, 12:28 PM Lewis Bergman
>> >> 
>> >> wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>> Wow. Not a single auto correct self tape on that and there were
>> >>> abunch
>> >>> of
>> >>> lew hamming fruit.
>> >>>
>> >>>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Building small GPON network

[Josh Reynolds]

Are you not entertained?

On Thu, Jun 16, 2016 at 1:08 PM, George Skorup  wrote:
> You'll be leaving the best place to see the rants of Steve Jones. Speaking
> of, WTF Steve? Did you murder your coworkers and now have nothing to
> entertain us with?
>
> On 6/16/2016 1:00 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:
>
> Just a joke =)
>
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
> On Thu, Jun 16, 2016 at 1:58 PM, Rob Genovesi 
> wrote:
>>
>> And miss out on this fun?  Hellz no
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Jun 16, 2016 at 10:51 AM, Josh Luthman
>>  wrote:
>> > There's an unsubscribe link in the headers.
>> >
>> >
>> > Josh Luthman
>> > Office: 937-552-2340
>> > Direct: 937-552-2343
>> > 1100 Wayne St
>> > Suite 1337
>> > Troy, OH 45373
>> >
>> > On Thu, Jun 16, 2016 at 1:50 PM, Rob Genovesi 
>> > wrote:
>> >>
>> >> I am gaining all sorts of unexpected knowledge from this thread...
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> On Thu, Jun 16, 2016 at 10:37 AM, Lewis Bergman
>> >> 
>> >> wrote:
>> >> > Low hanging fruit. But more like getting ass hammered maybe.
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > On Thu, Jun 16, 2016, 12:34 PM Ken Hohhof  wrote:
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Is hamming fruit like a Hamming code?
>> >> >>
>> >> >> From: Lewis Bergman
>> >> >> Sent: Thursday, June 16, 2016 12:29 PM
>> >> >> To: af@afmug.com
>> >> >> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Building small GPON network
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Damn. That was supposed to be self rape
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >> On Thu, Jun 16, 2016, 12:28 PM Lewis Bergman
>> >> >> 
>> >> >> wrote:
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> Wow. Not a single auto correct self tape on that and there were
>> >> >>> abunch
>> >> >>> of
>> >> >>> lew hamming fruit.
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>>
>> >
>> >
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Building small GPON network

[George Skorup]

You'll be leaving the best place to see the rants of Steve Jones. 
Speaking of, WTF Steve? Did you murder your coworkers and now have 
nothing to entertain us with?


On 6/16/2016 1:00 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:

Just a joke =)


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Thu, Jun 16, 2016 at 1:58 PM, Rob Genovesi > wrote:


And miss out on this fun?  Hellz no



On Thu, Jun 16, 2016 at 10:51 AM, Josh Luthman
>
wrote:
> There's an unsubscribe link in the headers.
>
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340 
> Direct: 937-552-2343 
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
> On Thu, Jun 16, 2016 at 1:50 PM, Rob Genovesi
>
> wrote:
>>
>> I am gaining all sorts of unexpected knowledge from this thread...
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Jun 16, 2016 at 10:37 AM, Lewis Bergman
>
>> wrote:
>> > Low hanging fruit. But more like getting ass hammered maybe.
>> >
>> >
>> > On Thu, Jun 16, 2016, 12:34 PM Ken Hohhof > wrote:
>> >>
>> >> Is hamming fruit like a Hamming code?
>> >>
>> >> From: Lewis Bergman
>> >> Sent: Thursday, June 16, 2016 12:29 PM
>> >> To: af@afmug.com 
>> >> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Building small GPON network
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Damn. That was supposed to be self rape
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> On Thu, Jun 16, 2016, 12:28 PM Lewis Bergman
>
>> >> wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>> Wow. Not a single auto correct self tape on that and there
were abunch
>> >>> of
>> >>> lew hamming fruit.
>> >>>
>> >>>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Building small GPON network

[Josh Luthman]

Just a joke =)


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Thu, Jun 16, 2016 at 1:58 PM, Rob Genovesi 
wrote:

> And miss out on this fun?  Hellz no
>
>
>
> On Thu, Jun 16, 2016 at 10:51 AM, Josh Luthman
>  wrote:
> > There's an unsubscribe link in the headers.
> >
> >
> > Josh Luthman
> > Office: 937-552-2340
> > Direct: 937-552-2343
> > 1100 Wayne St
> > Suite 1337
> > Troy, OH 45373
> >
> > On Thu, Jun 16, 2016 at 1:50 PM, Rob Genovesi 
> > wrote:
> >>
> >> I am gaining all sorts of unexpected knowledge from this thread...
> >>
> >>
> >> On Thu, Jun 16, 2016 at 10:37 AM, Lewis Bergman <
> lewis.berg...@gmail.com>
> >> wrote:
> >> > Low hanging fruit. But more like getting ass hammered maybe.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > On Thu, Jun 16, 2016, 12:34 PM Ken Hohhof  wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> Is hamming fruit like a Hamming code?
> >> >>
> >> >> From: Lewis Bergman
> >> >> Sent: Thursday, June 16, 2016 12:29 PM
> >> >> To: af@afmug.com
> >> >> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Building small GPON network
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> Damn. That was supposed to be self rape
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> On Thu, Jun 16, 2016, 12:28 PM Lewis Bergman <
> lewis.berg...@gmail.com>
> >> >> wrote:
> >> >>>
> >> >>> Wow. Not a single auto correct self tape on that and there were
> abunch
> >> >>> of
> >> >>> lew hamming fruit.
> >> >>>
> >> >>>
> >
> >
>

Re: [AFMUG] Building small GPON network

[Rob Genovesi]

And miss out on this fun?  Hellz no



On Thu, Jun 16, 2016 at 10:51 AM, Josh Luthman
 wrote:
> There's an unsubscribe link in the headers.
>
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
> On Thu, Jun 16, 2016 at 1:50 PM, Rob Genovesi 
> wrote:
>>
>> I am gaining all sorts of unexpected knowledge from this thread...
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Jun 16, 2016 at 10:37 AM, Lewis Bergman 
>> wrote:
>> > Low hanging fruit. But more like getting ass hammered maybe.
>> >
>> >
>> > On Thu, Jun 16, 2016, 12:34 PM Ken Hohhof  wrote:
>> >>
>> >> Is hamming fruit like a Hamming code?
>> >>
>> >> From: Lewis Bergman
>> >> Sent: Thursday, June 16, 2016 12:29 PM
>> >> To: af@afmug.com
>> >> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Building small GPON network
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Damn. That was supposed to be self rape
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> On Thu, Jun 16, 2016, 12:28 PM Lewis Bergman 
>> >> wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>> Wow. Not a single auto correct self tape on that and there were abunch
>> >>> of
>> >>> lew hamming fruit.
>> >>>
>> >>>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Building small GPON network

[Josh Luthman]

There's an unsubscribe link in the headers.


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Thu, Jun 16, 2016 at 1:50 PM, Rob Genovesi 
wrote:

> I am gaining all sorts of unexpected knowledge from this thread...
>
>
> On Thu, Jun 16, 2016 at 10:37 AM, Lewis Bergman 
> wrote:
> > Low hanging fruit. But more like getting ass hammered maybe.
> >
> >
> > On Thu, Jun 16, 2016, 12:34 PM Ken Hohhof  wrote:
> >>
> >> Is hamming fruit like a Hamming code?
> >>
> >> From: Lewis Bergman
> >> Sent: Thursday, June 16, 2016 12:29 PM
> >> To: af@afmug.com
> >> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Building small GPON network
> >>
> >>
> >> Damn. That was supposed to be self rape
> >>
> >>
> >> On Thu, Jun 16, 2016, 12:28 PM Lewis Bergman 
> >> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Wow. Not a single auto correct self tape on that and there were abunch
> of
> >>> lew hamming fruit.
> >>>
> >>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Building small GPON network

[Rob Genovesi]

I am gaining all sorts of unexpected knowledge from this thread...


On Thu, Jun 16, 2016 at 10:37 AM, Lewis Bergman  wrote:
> Low hanging fruit. But more like getting ass hammered maybe.
>
>
> On Thu, Jun 16, 2016, 12:34 PM Ken Hohhof  wrote:
>>
>> Is hamming fruit like a Hamming code?
>>
>> From: Lewis Bergman
>> Sent: Thursday, June 16, 2016 12:29 PM
>> To: af@afmug.com
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Building small GPON network
>>
>>
>> Damn. That was supposed to be self rape
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Jun 16, 2016, 12:28 PM Lewis Bergman 
>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Wow. Not a single auto correct self tape on that and there were abunch of
>>> lew hamming fruit.
>>>
>>>

Re: [AFMUG] Building small GPON network

[Lewis Bergman]

Low hanging fruit. But more like getting ass hammered maybe.

On Thu, Jun 16, 2016, 12:34 PM Ken Hohhof  wrote:

> Is hamming fruit like a Hamming code?
>
> *From:* Lewis Bergman 
> *Sent:* Thursday, June 16, 2016 12:29 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Building small GPON network
>
>
> Damn. That was supposed to be self rape
>
> On Thu, Jun 16, 2016, 12:28 PM Lewis Bergman 
> wrote:
>
>> Wow. Not a single auto correct self tape on that and there were abunch of
>> lew hamming fruit.
>>
>> On Thu, Jun 16, 2016, 12:28 PM Lewis Bergman 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I am not saying that clearfield was the cheapest or best. For a fiber
>>> virgin they seemed to offer a good end to end solution that solved the
>>> issues i knew nothing about and did so without a large capital investment
>>> in equipment.
>>>
>>> On Thu, Jun 16, 2016, 12:17 PM Ken Hohhof  wrote:
>>>
 I’ll have to remember that chunk is the expert.

 *From:* Lewis Bergman 
 *Sent:* Thursday, June 16, 2016 11:46 AM
 *To:* af@afmug.com
 *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Building small GPON network


 I love my Samsung auto correct. I stopped reading it Beggs i send just
 to see what comes out.

 On Thu, Jun 16, 2016, 11:40 AM Chuck McCown  wrote:

> That Amy, she has some odd tastes
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Josh Reynolds
> Sent: Thursday, June 16, 2016 10:39 AM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Building small GPON network
>
> "I want Amy good at it but it was a passion in the ass."
>
> Best quote of the day. Thanks Lewis! :)
>
> On Thu, Jun 16, 2016 at 11:37 AM, Lewis Bergman <
> lewis.berg...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > I want Amy good at it but it was a passion in the ass. Bunches of
> midspan
> > splits seems to be a pita. I'd the place is small enough and small
> you are
> > just learning maybe do smaller fiber count so you have less cuts and
> just
> > run more.
> > But, chunk is the expert.  We opted to spend more on equipment/fiber
> and
> > go
> > all tap so the maintenance wouldn't require splicing. But, to each
> his
> > own.
> > It seems fiber isn't that much different than anything else. You can
> spend
> > as much as you want and to some extent you replace labor dollars with
> > equipment dollars and vice versa.  Then it becomes what route if
> equipment
> > and people you have and the incremental cost to do this job when you
> > already
> > have all that.  e Didn't so we went tap.
> >
> > On Thu, Jun 16, 2016, 11:23 AM Bruce Robertson 
> wrote:
> >>
> >> > With active, each strand has to run back to a switch somewhere.
> >>
> >> Right, I got that.  I'm talking mechanically on the pole, in front
> of the
> >> house.  How do you suck their one fiber out of the 144 count  up on
> the
> >> pole?
> >>
> >>
> >> On 06/16/2016 09:22 AM, Josh Reynolds wrote:
> >>
> >> On gpon via a splitter. 1 fiber in, multiple fibers out. Can be on
> the
> >> pole, in a pedestal, or even in the ground in a hand hole.
> >>
> >> With active, each strand has to run back to a switch somewhere.
> >>
> >> On Jun 16, 2016 11:20 AM, "Bruce Robertson"  wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Noob question - mechanically, how do you break out an individual
> fiber
> >>> outside the dwelling?
> >>>
> >>> On 06/16/2016 09:15 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:
> 
>  Something that small, run 144 count fiber, home run to each
> dwelling
>  and
>  then choose active or PON back at your cabinet.
> 
>  -Original Message- From: Rob Genovesi
>  Sent: Thursday, June 16, 2016 10:14 AM
>  To: af@afmug.com
>  Subject: [AFMUG] Building small GPON network
> 
>  We're looking at our first fiber neighborhood project, about 90
> homes.
>  The neighborhood will be fed via wireless and fiber used for
>  distribution.  It's 100% aerial in remote private neighborhood.
>  Currently in the research/feasibility stage, but I hope this will
> be
>  our first build and a good project to cut our teeth on.
> 
>  A few questions, answer off-list if you prefer:
> 
>  - What OLT/ONT have people been using and liked for a small GPON
>  network?
> 
>  - Reading about "Distributed Tap Architecture" vs Splitting
> method.
>  Anyone have experience with Tap?
> 
>  - Armored or Dielectric?  100% aerial at the bottom of a canyon
> under
>  dense tree canopy.
> 
>  I'm sure there will be more 

Re: [AFMUG] Building small GPON network

[Ken Hohhof]

Is hamming fruit like a Hamming code?

From: Lewis Bergman 
Sent: Thursday, June 16, 2016 12:29 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Building small GPON network

Damn. That was supposed to be self rape



On Thu, Jun 16, 2016, 12:28 PM Lewis Bergman  wrote:

  Wow. Not a single auto correct self tape on that and there were abunch of lew 
hamming fruit. 



  On Thu, Jun 16, 2016, 12:28 PM Lewis Bergman  wrote:

I am not saying that clearfield was the cheapest or best. For a fiber 
virgin they seemed to offer a good end to end solution that solved the issues i 
knew nothing about and did so without a large capital investment in equipment. 



On Thu, Jun 16, 2016, 12:17 PM Ken Hohhof  wrote:

  I’ll have to remember that chunk is the expert.

  From: Lewis Bergman 
  Sent: Thursday, June 16, 2016 11:46 AM
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Building small GPON network

  I love my Samsung auto correct. I stopped reading it Beggs i send just to 
see what comes out. 



  On Thu, Jun 16, 2016, 11:40 AM Chuck McCown  wrote:

That Amy, she has some odd tastes

-Original Message-
From: Josh Reynolds
Sent: Thursday, June 16, 2016 10:39 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Building small GPON network

"I want Amy good at it but it was a passion in the ass."

Best quote of the day. Thanks Lewis! :)

On Thu, Jun 16, 2016 at 11:37 AM, Lewis Bergman 

wrote:
> I want Amy good at it but it was a passion in the ass. Bunches of 
midspan
> splits seems to be a pita. I'd the place is small enough and small 
you are
> just learning maybe do smaller fiber count so you have less cuts and 
just
> run more.
> But, chunk is the expert.  We opted to spend more on equipment/fiber 
and
> go
> all tap so the maintenance wouldn't require splicing. But, to each his
> own.
> It seems fiber isn't that much different than anything else. You can 
spend
> as much as you want and to some extent you replace labor dollars with
> equipment dollars and vice versa.  Then it becomes what route if 
equipment
> and people you have and the incremental cost to do this job when you
> already
> have all that.  e Didn't so we went tap.
>
> On Thu, Jun 16, 2016, 11:23 AM Bruce Robertson  wrote:
>>
>> > With active, each strand has to run back to a switch somewhere.
>>
>> Right, I got that.  I'm talking mechanically on the pole, in front 
of the
>> house.  How do you suck their one fiber out of the 144 count  up on 
the
>> pole?
>>
>>
>> On 06/16/2016 09:22 AM, Josh Reynolds wrote:
>>
>> On gpon via a splitter. 1 fiber in, multiple fibers out. Can be on 
the
>> pole, in a pedestal, or even in the ground in a hand hole.
>>
>> With active, each strand has to run back to a switch somewhere.
>>
>> On Jun 16, 2016 11:20 AM, "Bruce Robertson"  wrote:
>>>
>>> Noob question - mechanically, how do you break out an individual 
fiber
>>> outside the dwelling?
>>>
>>> On 06/16/2016 09:15 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:

 Something that small, run 144 count fiber, home run to each 
dwelling
 and
 then choose active or PON back at your cabinet.

 -Original Message- From: Rob Genovesi
 Sent: Thursday, June 16, 2016 10:14 AM
 To: af@afmug.com
 Subject: [AFMUG] Building small GPON network

 We're looking at our first fiber neighborhood project, about 90 
homes.
 The neighborhood will be fed via wireless and fiber used for
 distribution.  It's 100% aerial in remote private neighborhood.
 Currently in the research/feasibility stage, but I hope this will 
be
 our first build and a good project to cut our teeth on.

 A few questions, answer off-list if you prefer:

 - What OLT/ONT have people been using and liked for a small GPON
 network?

 - Reading about "Distributed Tap Architecture" vs Splitting method.
 Anyone have experience with Tap?

 - Armored or Dielectric?  100% aerial at the bottom of a canyon 
under
 dense tree canopy.

 I'm sure there will be more questions, thanks in advance for any
 sharing.


 Rob Genovesi • Coastside.Net • Owner
 650-712-5900 • 525B Obispo Rd • Half Moon Bay CA

Re: [AFMUG] Building small GPON network

[Lewis Bergman]

Damn. That was supposed to be self rape

On Thu, Jun 16, 2016, 12:28 PM Lewis Bergman 
wrote:

> Wow. Not a single auto correct self tape on that and there were abunch of
> lew hamming fruit.
>
> On Thu, Jun 16, 2016, 12:28 PM Lewis Bergman 
> wrote:
>
>> I am not saying that clearfield was the cheapest or best. For a fiber
>> virgin they seemed to offer a good end to end solution that solved the
>> issues i knew nothing about and did so without a large capital investment
>> in equipment.
>>
>> On Thu, Jun 16, 2016, 12:17 PM Ken Hohhof  wrote:
>>
>>> I’ll have to remember that chunk is the expert.
>>>
>>> *From:* Lewis Bergman 
>>> *Sent:* Thursday, June 16, 2016 11:46 AM
>>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Building small GPON network
>>>
>>>
>>> I love my Samsung auto correct. I stopped reading it Beggs i send just
>>> to see what comes out.
>>>
>>> On Thu, Jun 16, 2016, 11:40 AM Chuck McCown  wrote:
>>>
 That Amy, she has some odd tastes

 -Original Message-
 From: Josh Reynolds
 Sent: Thursday, June 16, 2016 10:39 AM
 To: af@afmug.com
 Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Building small GPON network

 "I want Amy good at it but it was a passion in the ass."

 Best quote of the day. Thanks Lewis! :)

 On Thu, Jun 16, 2016 at 11:37 AM, Lewis Bergman <
 lewis.berg...@gmail.com>
 wrote:
 > I want Amy good at it but it was a passion in the ass. Bunches of
 midspan
 > splits seems to be a pita. I'd the place is small enough and small
 you are
 > just learning maybe do smaller fiber count so you have less cuts and
 just
 > run more.
 > But, chunk is the expert.  We opted to spend more on equipment/fiber
 and
 > go
 > all tap so the maintenance wouldn't require splicing. But, to each his
 > own.
 > It seems fiber isn't that much different than anything else. You can
 spend
 > as much as you want and to some extent you replace labor dollars with
 > equipment dollars and vice versa.  Then it becomes what route if
 equipment
 > and people you have and the incremental cost to do this job when you
 > already
 > have all that.  e Didn't so we went tap.
 >
 > On Thu, Jun 16, 2016, 11:23 AM Bruce Robertson 
 wrote:
 >>
 >> > With active, each strand has to run back to a switch somewhere.
 >>
 >> Right, I got that.  I'm talking mechanically on the pole, in front
 of the
 >> house.  How do you suck their one fiber out of the 144 count  up on
 the
 >> pole?
 >>
 >>
 >> On 06/16/2016 09:22 AM, Josh Reynolds wrote:
 >>
 >> On gpon via a splitter. 1 fiber in, multiple fibers out. Can be on
 the
 >> pole, in a pedestal, or even in the ground in a hand hole.
 >>
 >> With active, each strand has to run back to a switch somewhere.
 >>
 >> On Jun 16, 2016 11:20 AM, "Bruce Robertson"  wrote:
 >>>
 >>> Noob question - mechanically, how do you break out an individual
 fiber
 >>> outside the dwelling?
 >>>
 >>> On 06/16/2016 09:15 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:
 
  Something that small, run 144 count fiber, home run to each
 dwelling
  and
  then choose active or PON back at your cabinet.
 
  -Original Message- From: Rob Genovesi
  Sent: Thursday, June 16, 2016 10:14 AM
  To: af@afmug.com
  Subject: [AFMUG] Building small GPON network
 
  We're looking at our first fiber neighborhood project, about 90
 homes.
  The neighborhood will be fed via wireless and fiber used for
  distribution.  It's 100% aerial in remote private neighborhood.
  Currently in the research/feasibility stage, but I hope this will
 be
  our first build and a good project to cut our teeth on.
 
  A few questions, answer off-list if you prefer:
 
  - What OLT/ONT have people been using and liked for a small GPON
  network?
 
  - Reading about "Distributed Tap Architecture" vs Splitting method.
  Anyone have experience with Tap?
 
  - Armored or Dielectric?  100% aerial at the bottom of a canyon
 under
  dense tree canopy.
 
  I'm sure there will be more questions, thanks in advance for any
  sharing.
 
 
  Rob Genovesi • Coastside.Net • Owner
  650-712-5900 • 525B Obispo Rd • Half Moon Bay CA
 
 
 
 
 
 
 >>>
 >> !DSPAM:2,5762d245184159820018358!
 >>
 >>
 >

Re: [AFMUG] Building small GPON network

[Lewis Bergman]

Wow. Not a single auto correct self tape on that and there were abunch of
lew hamming fruit.

On Thu, Jun 16, 2016, 12:28 PM Lewis Bergman 
wrote:

> I am not saying that clearfield was the cheapest or best. For a fiber
> virgin they seemed to offer a good end to end solution that solved the
> issues i knew nothing about and did so without a large capital investment
> in equipment.
>
> On Thu, Jun 16, 2016, 12:17 PM Ken Hohhof  wrote:
>
>> I’ll have to remember that chunk is the expert.
>>
>> *From:* Lewis Bergman 
>> *Sent:* Thursday, June 16, 2016 11:46 AM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Building small GPON network
>>
>>
>> I love my Samsung auto correct. I stopped reading it Beggs i send just to
>> see what comes out.
>>
>> On Thu, Jun 16, 2016, 11:40 AM Chuck McCown  wrote:
>>
>>> That Amy, she has some odd tastes
>>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: Josh Reynolds
>>> Sent: Thursday, June 16, 2016 10:39 AM
>>> To: af@afmug.com
>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Building small GPON network
>>>
>>> "I want Amy good at it but it was a passion in the ass."
>>>
>>> Best quote of the day. Thanks Lewis! :)
>>>
>>> On Thu, Jun 16, 2016 at 11:37 AM, Lewis Bergman >> >
>>> wrote:
>>> > I want Amy good at it but it was a passion in the ass. Bunches of
>>> midspan
>>> > splits seems to be a pita. I'd the place is small enough and small you
>>> are
>>> > just learning maybe do smaller fiber count so you have less cuts and
>>> just
>>> > run more.
>>> > But, chunk is the expert.  We opted to spend more on equipment/fiber
>>> and
>>> > go
>>> > all tap so the maintenance wouldn't require splicing. But, to each his
>>> > own.
>>> > It seems fiber isn't that much different than anything else. You can
>>> spend
>>> > as much as you want and to some extent you replace labor dollars with
>>> > equipment dollars and vice versa.  Then it becomes what route if
>>> equipment
>>> > and people you have and the incremental cost to do this job when you
>>> > already
>>> > have all that.  e Didn't so we went tap.
>>> >
>>> > On Thu, Jun 16, 2016, 11:23 AM Bruce Robertson  wrote:
>>> >>
>>> >> > With active, each strand has to run back to a switch somewhere.
>>> >>
>>> >> Right, I got that.  I'm talking mechanically on the pole, in front of
>>> the
>>> >> house.  How do you suck their one fiber out of the 144 count  up on
>>> the
>>> >> pole?
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >> On 06/16/2016 09:22 AM, Josh Reynolds wrote:
>>> >>
>>> >> On gpon via a splitter. 1 fiber in, multiple fibers out. Can be on the
>>> >> pole, in a pedestal, or even in the ground in a hand hole.
>>> >>
>>> >> With active, each strand has to run back to a switch somewhere.
>>> >>
>>> >> On Jun 16, 2016 11:20 AM, "Bruce Robertson"  wrote:
>>> >>>
>>> >>> Noob question - mechanically, how do you break out an individual
>>> fiber
>>> >>> outside the dwelling?
>>> >>>
>>> >>> On 06/16/2016 09:15 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:
>>> 
>>>  Something that small, run 144 count fiber, home run to each dwelling
>>>  and
>>>  then choose active or PON back at your cabinet.
>>> 
>>>  -Original Message- From: Rob Genovesi
>>>  Sent: Thursday, June 16, 2016 10:14 AM
>>>  To: af@afmug.com
>>>  Subject: [AFMUG] Building small GPON network
>>> 
>>>  We're looking at our first fiber neighborhood project, about 90
>>> homes.
>>>  The neighborhood will be fed via wireless and fiber used for
>>>  distribution.  It's 100% aerial in remote private neighborhood.
>>>  Currently in the research/feasibility stage, but I hope this will be
>>>  our first build and a good project to cut our teeth on.
>>> 
>>>  A few questions, answer off-list if you prefer:
>>> 
>>>  - What OLT/ONT have people been using and liked for a small GPON
>>>  network?
>>> 
>>>  - Reading about "Distributed Tap Architecture" vs Splitting method.
>>>  Anyone have experience with Tap?
>>> 
>>>  - Armored or Dielectric?  100% aerial at the bottom of a canyon
>>> under
>>>  dense tree canopy.
>>> 
>>>  I'm sure there will be more questions, thanks in advance for any
>>>  sharing.
>>> 
>>> 
>>>  Rob Genovesi • Coastside.Net • Owner
>>>  650-712-5900 • 525B Obispo Rd • Half Moon Bay CA
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> >>>
>>> >> !DSPAM:2,5762d245184159820018358!
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >
>>>
>>>

Re: [AFMUG] Building small GPON network

[Lewis Bergman]

I am not saying that clearfield was the cheapest or best. For a fiber
virgin they seemed to offer a good end to end solution that solved the
issues i knew nothing about and did so without a large capital investment
in equipment.

On Thu, Jun 16, 2016, 12:17 PM Ken Hohhof  wrote:

> I’ll have to remember that chunk is the expert.
>
> *From:* Lewis Bergman 
> *Sent:* Thursday, June 16, 2016 11:46 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Building small GPON network
>
>
> I love my Samsung auto correct. I stopped reading it Beggs i send just to
> see what comes out.
>
> On Thu, Jun 16, 2016, 11:40 AM Chuck McCown  wrote:
>
>> That Amy, she has some odd tastes
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Josh Reynolds
>> Sent: Thursday, June 16, 2016 10:39 AM
>> To: af@afmug.com
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Building small GPON network
>>
>> "I want Amy good at it but it was a passion in the ass."
>>
>> Best quote of the day. Thanks Lewis! :)
>>
>> On Thu, Jun 16, 2016 at 11:37 AM, Lewis Bergman 
>> wrote:
>> > I want Amy good at it but it was a passion in the ass. Bunches of
>> midspan
>> > splits seems to be a pita. I'd the place is small enough and small you
>> are
>> > just learning maybe do smaller fiber count so you have less cuts and
>> just
>> > run more.
>> > But, chunk is the expert.  We opted to spend more on equipment/fiber and
>> > go
>> > all tap so the maintenance wouldn't require splicing. But, to each his
>> > own.
>> > It seems fiber isn't that much different than anything else. You can
>> spend
>> > as much as you want and to some extent you replace labor dollars with
>> > equipment dollars and vice versa.  Then it becomes what route if
>> equipment
>> > and people you have and the incremental cost to do this job when you
>> > already
>> > have all that.  e Didn't so we went tap.
>> >
>> > On Thu, Jun 16, 2016, 11:23 AM Bruce Robertson  wrote:
>> >>
>> >> > With active, each strand has to run back to a switch somewhere.
>> >>
>> >> Right, I got that.  I'm talking mechanically on the pole, in front of
>> the
>> >> house.  How do you suck their one fiber out of the 144 count  up on the
>> >> pole?
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> On 06/16/2016 09:22 AM, Josh Reynolds wrote:
>> >>
>> >> On gpon via a splitter. 1 fiber in, multiple fibers out. Can be on the
>> >> pole, in a pedestal, or even in the ground in a hand hole.
>> >>
>> >> With active, each strand has to run back to a switch somewhere.
>> >>
>> >> On Jun 16, 2016 11:20 AM, "Bruce Robertson"  wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>> Noob question - mechanically, how do you break out an individual fiber
>> >>> outside the dwelling?
>> >>>
>> >>> On 06/16/2016 09:15 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:
>> 
>>  Something that small, run 144 count fiber, home run to each dwelling
>>  and
>>  then choose active or PON back at your cabinet.
>> 
>>  -Original Message- From: Rob Genovesi
>>  Sent: Thursday, June 16, 2016 10:14 AM
>>  To: af@afmug.com
>>  Subject: [AFMUG] Building small GPON network
>> 
>>  We're looking at our first fiber neighborhood project, about 90
>> homes.
>>  The neighborhood will be fed via wireless and fiber used for
>>  distribution.  It's 100% aerial in remote private neighborhood.
>>  Currently in the research/feasibility stage, but I hope this will be
>>  our first build and a good project to cut our teeth on.
>> 
>>  A few questions, answer off-list if you prefer:
>> 
>>  - What OLT/ONT have people been using and liked for a small GPON
>>  network?
>> 
>>  - Reading about "Distributed Tap Architecture" vs Splitting method.
>>  Anyone have experience with Tap?
>> 
>>  - Armored or Dielectric?  100% aerial at the bottom of a canyon under
>>  dense tree canopy.
>> 
>>  I'm sure there will be more questions, thanks in advance for any
>>  sharing.
>> 
>> 
>>  Rob Genovesi • Coastside.Net • Owner
>>  650-712-5900 • 525B Obispo Rd • Half Moon Bay CA
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> >>>
>> >> !DSPAM:2,5762d245184159820018358!
>> >>
>> >>
>> >
>>
>>

Re: [AFMUG] OT: Today's date is...

[George Skorup]

1+2+3+4+5+6+36 = 666

On 6/16/2016 9:30 AM, Jay Weekley wrote:

666.  You should go to church more.

Ty Featherling wrote:

I don't get it.



-Ty

On Thu, Jun 16, 2016 at 9:26 AM, Jerry Head 
> wrote:


All week long...ba-da-bing!

On 6/16/2016 9:14 AM, Jay Weekley wrote:

06-16-16.  Get it?

Re: [AFMUG] Building small GPON network

[Ken Hohhof]

I’ll have to remember that chunk is the expert.

From: Lewis Bergman 
Sent: Thursday, June 16, 2016 11:46 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Building small GPON network

I love my Samsung auto correct. I stopped reading it Beggs i send just to see 
what comes out. 



On Thu, Jun 16, 2016, 11:40 AM Chuck McCown  wrote:

  That Amy, she has some odd tastes

  -Original Message-
  From: Josh Reynolds
  Sent: Thursday, June 16, 2016 10:39 AM
  To: af@afmug.com
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Building small GPON network

  "I want Amy good at it but it was a passion in the ass."

  Best quote of the day. Thanks Lewis! :)

  On Thu, Jun 16, 2016 at 11:37 AM, Lewis Bergman 
  wrote:
  > I want Amy good at it but it was a passion in the ass. Bunches of midspan
  > splits seems to be a pita. I'd the place is small enough and small you are
  > just learning maybe do smaller fiber count so you have less cuts and just
  > run more.
  > But, chunk is the expert.  We opted to spend more on equipment/fiber and
  > go
  > all tap so the maintenance wouldn't require splicing. But, to each his
  > own.
  > It seems fiber isn't that much different than anything else. You can spend
  > as much as you want and to some extent you replace labor dollars with
  > equipment dollars and vice versa.  Then it becomes what route if equipment
  > and people you have and the incremental cost to do this job when you
  > already
  > have all that.  e Didn't so we went tap.
  >
  > On Thu, Jun 16, 2016, 11:23 AM Bruce Robertson  wrote:
  >>
  >> > With active, each strand has to run back to a switch somewhere.
  >>
  >> Right, I got that.  I'm talking mechanically on the pole, in front of the
  >> house.  How do you suck their one fiber out of the 144 count  up on the
  >> pole?
  >>
  >>
  >> On 06/16/2016 09:22 AM, Josh Reynolds wrote:
  >>
  >> On gpon via a splitter. 1 fiber in, multiple fibers out. Can be on the
  >> pole, in a pedestal, or even in the ground in a hand hole.
  >>
  >> With active, each strand has to run back to a switch somewhere.
  >>
  >> On Jun 16, 2016 11:20 AM, "Bruce Robertson"  wrote:
  >>>
  >>> Noob question - mechanically, how do you break out an individual fiber
  >>> outside the dwelling?
  >>>
  >>> On 06/16/2016 09:15 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:
  
   Something that small, run 144 count fiber, home run to each dwelling
   and
   then choose active or PON back at your cabinet.
  
   -Original Message- From: Rob Genovesi
   Sent: Thursday, June 16, 2016 10:14 AM
   To: af@afmug.com
   Subject: [AFMUG] Building small GPON network
  
   We're looking at our first fiber neighborhood project, about 90 homes.
   The neighborhood will be fed via wireless and fiber used for
   distribution.  It's 100% aerial in remote private neighborhood.
   Currently in the research/feasibility stage, but I hope this will be
   our first build and a good project to cut our teeth on.
  
   A few questions, answer off-list if you prefer:
  
   - What OLT/ONT have people been using and liked for a small GPON
   network?
  
   - Reading about "Distributed Tap Architecture" vs Splitting method.
   Anyone have experience with Tap?
  
   - Armored or Dielectric?  100% aerial at the bottom of a canyon under
   dense tree canopy.
  
   I'm sure there will be more questions, thanks in advance for any
   sharing.
  
  
   Rob Genovesi • Coastside.Net • Owner
   650-712-5900 • 525B Obispo Rd • Half Moon Bay CA
  
  
  
  
  
  
  >>>
  >> !DSPAM:2,5762d245184159820018358!
  >>
  >>
  >

Re: [AFMUG] Building small GPON network

[Sterling Jacobson]

I don't have experience with pole attached stuff or GPON so I'm just 
speculating.

But it's probably close to the same labor cost to string a small count main 
line for GPON as it would to string a 96 or 144 count mainline for active.

The actual drop splice might be less time and maybe a bit less complicated for 
GPON?

You didn't ask about active, but that's all I know for sure.

The electronics for active are a transceiver for each house and a regular SFP 
switch(s) at the other end.

You could cover this project with a couple of planet 48 port SFP switches at 
about $1600 each.
Transceivers and boxes for the customer end maybe around $100-$200 each.

Pretty cheap, but can connect to several 10Gbps ports on the back of those 
switches and give up to 80 people a full 1Gbps simultaneously.
GPON/PON can't do that yet, but really no one uses it like that today anyway.

A couple of years from now? Maybe.


-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Rob Genovesi
Sent: Thursday, June 16, 2016 10:14 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] Building small GPON network

We're looking at our first fiber neighborhood project, about 90 homes.
The neighborhood will be fed via wireless and fiber used for distribution.  
It's 100% aerial in remote private neighborhood.
Currently in the research/feasibility stage, but I hope this will be our first 
build and a good project to cut our teeth on.

A few questions, answer off-list if you prefer:

- What OLT/ONT have people been using and liked for a small GPON network?

- Reading about "Distributed Tap Architecture" vs Splitting method.
Anyone have experience with Tap?

- Armored or Dielectric?  100% aerial at the bottom of a canyon under dense 
tree canopy.

I'm sure there will be more questions, thanks in advance for any sharing.


Rob Genovesi • Coastside.Net • Owner
650-712-5900 • 525B Obispo Rd • Half Moon Bay CA

Re: [AFMUG] Building small GPON network

[Sterling Jacobson]

Sounds like an endorsement, the "Sterling Jacobson Method".

I approve.

-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown
Sent: Thursday, June 16, 2016 10:31 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Building small GPON network

Every so often, you do what is called a "ring cut" or "mid entry" with a splice 
case.  Run drops forwards and back from the splice case.  8 drops would not be 
a bad number to feed from each entry point.  You have a snow shoe on one or 
both sides of the splice case to store you main cable slack.

It is easier than dealing with splitters out in the field and it also allows 
you to do full active if you want to.  And you do want that option as it will 
give you more capacity on each drop to sell and is really cheaper to do if you 
do it via the Sterling Jacobson method.

-Original Message-
From: Bruce Robertson
Sent: Thursday, June 16, 2016 10:20 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Building small GPON network

Noob question - mechanically, how do you break out an individual fiber outside 
the dwelling?

On 06/16/2016 09:15 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:
> Something that small, run 144 count fiber, home run to each dwelling 
> and then choose active or PON back at your cabinet.
>
> -Original Message- From: Rob Genovesi
> Sent: Thursday, June 16, 2016 10:14 AM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: [AFMUG] Building small GPON network
>
> We're looking at our first fiber neighborhood project, about 90 homes.
> The neighborhood will be fed via wireless and fiber used for 
> distribution.  It's 100% aerial in remote private neighborhood.
> Currently in the research/feasibility stage, but I hope this will be 
> our first build and a good project to cut our teeth on.
>
> A few questions, answer off-list if you prefer:
>
> - What OLT/ONT have people been using and liked for a small GPON network?
>
> - Reading about "Distributed Tap Architecture" vs Splitting method.
> Anyone have experience with Tap?
>
> - Armored or Dielectric?  100% aerial at the bottom of a canyon under 
> dense tree canopy.
>
> I'm sure there will be more questions, thanks in advance for any sharing.
>
>
> Rob Genovesi • Coastside.Net • Owner
> 650-712-5900 • 525B Obispo Rd • Half Moon Bay CA
>
>
>
> !DSPAM:2,5762d0b8181031678613189!
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Building small GPON network

[Lewis Bergman]

http://www.clearfieldconnection.com

On Thu, Jun 16, 2016, 11:48 AM Lewis Bergman 
wrote:

> Clearfield is what we used.  I liked the fact that the fiber was pretty
> tough and could be manhandled without damage.  They have a great catalog
> for beginners like me.
>
> On Thu, Jun 16, 2016, 11:46 AM Lewis Bergman 
> wrote:
>
>> I love my Samsung auto correct. I stopped reading it Beggs i send just to
>> see what comes out.
>>
>> On Thu, Jun 16, 2016, 11:40 AM Chuck McCown  wrote:
>>
>>> That Amy, she has some odd tastes
>>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: Josh Reynolds
>>> Sent: Thursday, June 16, 2016 10:39 AM
>>> To: af@afmug.com
>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Building small GPON network
>>>
>>> "I want Amy good at it but it was a passion in the ass."
>>>
>>> Best quote of the day. Thanks Lewis! :)
>>>
>>> On Thu, Jun 16, 2016 at 11:37 AM, Lewis Bergman >> >
>>> wrote:
>>> > I want Amy good at it but it was a passion in the ass. Bunches of
>>> midspan
>>> > splits seems to be a pita. I'd the place is small enough and small you
>>> are
>>> > just learning maybe do smaller fiber count so you have less cuts and
>>> just
>>> > run more.
>>> > But, chunk is the expert.  We opted to spend more on equipment/fiber
>>> and
>>> > go
>>> > all tap so the maintenance wouldn't require splicing. But, to each his
>>> > own.
>>> > It seems fiber isn't that much different than anything else. You can
>>> spend
>>> > as much as you want and to some extent you replace labor dollars with
>>> > equipment dollars and vice versa.  Then it becomes what route if
>>> equipment
>>> > and people you have and the incremental cost to do this job when you
>>> > already
>>> > have all that.  e Didn't so we went tap.
>>> >
>>> > On Thu, Jun 16, 2016, 11:23 AM Bruce Robertson  wrote:
>>> >>
>>> >> > With active, each strand has to run back to a switch somewhere.
>>> >>
>>> >> Right, I got that.  I'm talking mechanically on the pole, in front of
>>> the
>>> >> house.  How do you suck their one fiber out of the 144 count  up on
>>> the
>>> >> pole?
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >> On 06/16/2016 09:22 AM, Josh Reynolds wrote:
>>> >>
>>> >> On gpon via a splitter. 1 fiber in, multiple fibers out. Can be on the
>>> >> pole, in a pedestal, or even in the ground in a hand hole.
>>> >>
>>> >> With active, each strand has to run back to a switch somewhere.
>>> >>
>>> >> On Jun 16, 2016 11:20 AM, "Bruce Robertson"  wrote:
>>> >>>
>>> >>> Noob question - mechanically, how do you break out an individual
>>> fiber
>>> >>> outside the dwelling?
>>> >>>
>>> >>> On 06/16/2016 09:15 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:
>>> 
>>>  Something that small, run 144 count fiber, home run to each dwelling
>>>  and
>>>  then choose active or PON back at your cabinet.
>>> 
>>>  -Original Message- From: Rob Genovesi
>>>  Sent: Thursday, June 16, 2016 10:14 AM
>>>  To: af@afmug.com
>>>  Subject: [AFMUG] Building small GPON network
>>> 
>>>  We're looking at our first fiber neighborhood project, about 90
>>> homes.
>>>  The neighborhood will be fed via wireless and fiber used for
>>>  distribution.  It's 100% aerial in remote private neighborhood.
>>>  Currently in the research/feasibility stage, but I hope this will be
>>>  our first build and a good project to cut our teeth on.
>>> 
>>>  A few questions, answer off-list if you prefer:
>>> 
>>>  - What OLT/ONT have people been using and liked for a small GPON
>>>  network?
>>> 
>>>  - Reading about "Distributed Tap Architecture" vs Splitting method.
>>>  Anyone have experience with Tap?
>>> 
>>>  - Armored or Dielectric?  100% aerial at the bottom of a canyon
>>> under
>>>  dense tree canopy.
>>> 
>>>  I'm sure there will be more questions, thanks in advance for any
>>>  sharing.
>>> 
>>> 
>>>  Rob Genovesi • Coastside.Net • Owner
>>>  650-712-5900 • 525B Obispo Rd • Half Moon Bay CA
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> >>>
>>> >> !DSPAM:2,5762d245184159820018358!
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >
>>>
>>>

Re: [AFMUG] AF24 rebooting and freezing at power events

[That One Guy /sarcasm]

There was that initial faulty power supply fiasco with these, though by now
I would figure those are all in landfills leeching toxins

On Thu, Jun 16, 2016 at 11:42 AM, Jaime Solorza 
wrote:

> We have a voltage regulator on a POP repeater site in maintenance room on
> roof of 11 story building.   Power would vary allot so equipment had
> issues... now back hauls, APs and Cisco switches are happy... AC to
> regulator to UPS to managed power distribution system to equipment..
> On Jun 16, 2016 10:36 AM, "Josh Reynolds"  wrote:
>
>> ^ This
>>
>> Also, you want to feed it PSW power if you can, not squared/clipped.
>>
>> On Thu, Jun 16, 2016 at 11:34 AM, Jaime Solorza
>>  wrote:
>> > Is power regulated?   Not sure if APCs do that
>> >
>> > On Jun 16, 2016 10:29 AM, "Gino Villarini"  wrote:
>> >
>> > We have about 50 AF24 links deployed and we are seeing that the units
>> are
>> > freezing at power events.  We are using factory PS and the units are
>> > connected to APC UPS units.
>> >
>> > At events, the AF24 requiere a hard reboot in order to get them back to
>> > work.
>> >
>> > Other equipment connected to the UPS do not get affected, not even
>> reboots.
>> >
>> > Any ideas?
>>
>


-- 
If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] Building small GPON network

[Lewis Bergman]

Clearfield is what we used.  I liked the fact that the fiber was pretty
tough and could be manhandled without damage.  They have a great catalog
for beginners like me.

On Thu, Jun 16, 2016, 11:46 AM Lewis Bergman 
wrote:

> I love my Samsung auto correct. I stopped reading it Beggs i send just to
> see what comes out.
>
> On Thu, Jun 16, 2016, 11:40 AM Chuck McCown  wrote:
>
>> That Amy, she has some odd tastes
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Josh Reynolds
>> Sent: Thursday, June 16, 2016 10:39 AM
>> To: af@afmug.com
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Building small GPON network
>>
>> "I want Amy good at it but it was a passion in the ass."
>>
>> Best quote of the day. Thanks Lewis! :)
>>
>> On Thu, Jun 16, 2016 at 11:37 AM, Lewis Bergman 
>> wrote:
>> > I want Amy good at it but it was a passion in the ass. Bunches of
>> midspan
>> > splits seems to be a pita. I'd the place is small enough and small you
>> are
>> > just learning maybe do smaller fiber count so you have less cuts and
>> just
>> > run more.
>> > But, chunk is the expert.  We opted to spend more on equipment/fiber and
>> > go
>> > all tap so the maintenance wouldn't require splicing. But, to each his
>> > own.
>> > It seems fiber isn't that much different than anything else. You can
>> spend
>> > as much as you want and to some extent you replace labor dollars with
>> > equipment dollars and vice versa.  Then it becomes what route if
>> equipment
>> > and people you have and the incremental cost to do this job when you
>> > already
>> > have all that.  e Didn't so we went tap.
>> >
>> > On Thu, Jun 16, 2016, 11:23 AM Bruce Robertson  wrote:
>> >>
>> >> > With active, each strand has to run back to a switch somewhere.
>> >>
>> >> Right, I got that.  I'm talking mechanically on the pole, in front of
>> the
>> >> house.  How do you suck their one fiber out of the 144 count  up on the
>> >> pole?
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> On 06/16/2016 09:22 AM, Josh Reynolds wrote:
>> >>
>> >> On gpon via a splitter. 1 fiber in, multiple fibers out. Can be on the
>> >> pole, in a pedestal, or even in the ground in a hand hole.
>> >>
>> >> With active, each strand has to run back to a switch somewhere.
>> >>
>> >> On Jun 16, 2016 11:20 AM, "Bruce Robertson"  wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>> Noob question - mechanically, how do you break out an individual fiber
>> >>> outside the dwelling?
>> >>>
>> >>> On 06/16/2016 09:15 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:
>> 
>>  Something that small, run 144 count fiber, home run to each dwelling
>>  and
>>  then choose active or PON back at your cabinet.
>> 
>>  -Original Message- From: Rob Genovesi
>>  Sent: Thursday, June 16, 2016 10:14 AM
>>  To: af@afmug.com
>>  Subject: [AFMUG] Building small GPON network
>> 
>>  We're looking at our first fiber neighborhood project, about 90
>> homes.
>>  The neighborhood will be fed via wireless and fiber used for
>>  distribution.  It's 100% aerial in remote private neighborhood.
>>  Currently in the research/feasibility stage, but I hope this will be
>>  our first build and a good project to cut our teeth on.
>> 
>>  A few questions, answer off-list if you prefer:
>> 
>>  - What OLT/ONT have people been using and liked for a small GPON
>>  network?
>> 
>>  - Reading about "Distributed Tap Architecture" vs Splitting method.
>>  Anyone have experience with Tap?
>> 
>>  - Armored or Dielectric?  100% aerial at the bottom of a canyon under
>>  dense tree canopy.
>> 
>>  I'm sure there will be more questions, thanks in advance for any
>>  sharing.
>> 
>> 
>>  Rob Genovesi • Coastside.Net • Owner
>>  650-712-5900 • 525B Obispo Rd • Half Moon Bay CA
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> >>>
>> >> !DSPAM:2,5762d245184159820018358!
>> >>
>> >>
>> >
>>
>>

Re: [AFMUG] Building small GPON network

[Lewis Bergman]

I love my Samsung auto correct. I stopped reading it Beggs i send just to
see what comes out.

On Thu, Jun 16, 2016, 11:40 AM Chuck McCown  wrote:

> That Amy, she has some odd tastes
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Josh Reynolds
> Sent: Thursday, June 16, 2016 10:39 AM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Building small GPON network
>
> "I want Amy good at it but it was a passion in the ass."
>
> Best quote of the day. Thanks Lewis! :)
>
> On Thu, Jun 16, 2016 at 11:37 AM, Lewis Bergman 
> wrote:
> > I want Amy good at it but it was a passion in the ass. Bunches of midspan
> > splits seems to be a pita. I'd the place is small enough and small you
> are
> > just learning maybe do smaller fiber count so you have less cuts and just
> > run more.
> > But, chunk is the expert.  We opted to spend more on equipment/fiber and
> > go
> > all tap so the maintenance wouldn't require splicing. But, to each his
> > own.
> > It seems fiber isn't that much different than anything else. You can
> spend
> > as much as you want and to some extent you replace labor dollars with
> > equipment dollars and vice versa.  Then it becomes what route if
> equipment
> > and people you have and the incremental cost to do this job when you
> > already
> > have all that.  e Didn't so we went tap.
> >
> > On Thu, Jun 16, 2016, 11:23 AM Bruce Robertson  wrote:
> >>
> >> > With active, each strand has to run back to a switch somewhere.
> >>
> >> Right, I got that.  I'm talking mechanically on the pole, in front of
> the
> >> house.  How do you suck their one fiber out of the 144 count  up on the
> >> pole?
> >>
> >>
> >> On 06/16/2016 09:22 AM, Josh Reynolds wrote:
> >>
> >> On gpon via a splitter. 1 fiber in, multiple fibers out. Can be on the
> >> pole, in a pedestal, or even in the ground in a hand hole.
> >>
> >> With active, each strand has to run back to a switch somewhere.
> >>
> >> On Jun 16, 2016 11:20 AM, "Bruce Robertson"  wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Noob question - mechanically, how do you break out an individual fiber
> >>> outside the dwelling?
> >>>
> >>> On 06/16/2016 09:15 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:
> 
>  Something that small, run 144 count fiber, home run to each dwelling
>  and
>  then choose active or PON back at your cabinet.
> 
>  -Original Message- From: Rob Genovesi
>  Sent: Thursday, June 16, 2016 10:14 AM
>  To: af@afmug.com
>  Subject: [AFMUG] Building small GPON network
> 
>  We're looking at our first fiber neighborhood project, about 90 homes.
>  The neighborhood will be fed via wireless and fiber used for
>  distribution.  It's 100% aerial in remote private neighborhood.
>  Currently in the research/feasibility stage, but I hope this will be
>  our first build and a good project to cut our teeth on.
> 
>  A few questions, answer off-list if you prefer:
> 
>  - What OLT/ONT have people been using and liked for a small GPON
>  network?
> 
>  - Reading about "Distributed Tap Architecture" vs Splitting method.
>  Anyone have experience with Tap?
> 
>  - Armored or Dielectric?  100% aerial at the bottom of a canyon under
>  dense tree canopy.
> 
>  I'm sure there will be more questions, thanks in advance for any
>  sharing.
> 
> 
>  Rob Genovesi • Coastside.Net • Owner
>  650-712-5900 • 525B Obispo Rd • Half Moon Bay CA
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> >>>
> >> !DSPAM:2,5762d245184159820018358!
> >>
> >>
> >
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] AF24 rebooting and freezing at power events

[Jaime Solorza]

We have a voltage regulator on a POP repeater site in maintenance room on
roof of 11 story building.   Power would vary allot so equipment had
issues... now back hauls, APs and Cisco switches are happy... AC to
regulator to UPS to managed power distribution system to equipment..
On Jun 16, 2016 10:36 AM, "Josh Reynolds"  wrote:

> ^ This
>
> Also, you want to feed it PSW power if you can, not squared/clipped.
>
> On Thu, Jun 16, 2016 at 11:34 AM, Jaime Solorza
>  wrote:
> > Is power regulated?   Not sure if APCs do that
> >
> > On Jun 16, 2016 10:29 AM, "Gino Villarini"  wrote:
> >
> > We have about 50 AF24 links deployed and we are seeing that the units are
> > freezing at power events.  We are using factory PS and the units are
> > connected to APC UPS units.
> >
> > At events, the AF24 requiere a hard reboot in order to get them back to
> > work.
> >
> > Other equipment connected to the UPS do not get affected, not even
> reboots.
> >
> > Any ideas?
>

Re: [AFMUG] Building small GPON network

[Chuck McCown]

That Amy, she has some odd tastes

-Original Message- 
From: Josh Reynolds

Sent: Thursday, June 16, 2016 10:39 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Building small GPON network

"I want Amy good at it but it was a passion in the ass."

Best quote of the day. Thanks Lewis! :)

On Thu, Jun 16, 2016 at 11:37 AM, Lewis Bergman  
wrote:

I want Amy good at it but it was a passion in the ass. Bunches of midspan
splits seems to be a pita. I'd the place is small enough and small you are
just learning maybe do smaller fiber count so you have less cuts and just
run more.
But, chunk is the expert.  We opted to spend more on equipment/fiber and 
go
all tap so the maintenance wouldn't require splicing. But, to each his 
own.

It seems fiber isn't that much different than anything else. You can spend
as much as you want and to some extent you replace labor dollars with
equipment dollars and vice versa.  Then it becomes what route if equipment
and people you have and the incremental cost to do this job when you 
already

have all that.  e Didn't so we went tap.

On Thu, Jun 16, 2016, 11:23 AM Bruce Robertson  wrote:


> With active, each strand has to run back to a switch somewhere.

Right, I got that.  I'm talking mechanically on the pole, in front of the
house.  How do you suck their one fiber out of the 144 count  up on the
pole?


On 06/16/2016 09:22 AM, Josh Reynolds wrote:

On gpon via a splitter. 1 fiber in, multiple fibers out. Can be on the
pole, in a pedestal, or even in the ground in a hand hole.

With active, each strand has to run back to a switch somewhere.

On Jun 16, 2016 11:20 AM, "Bruce Robertson"  wrote:


Noob question - mechanically, how do you break out an individual fiber
outside the dwelling?

On 06/16/2016 09:15 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:


Something that small, run 144 count fiber, home run to each dwelling 
and

then choose active or PON back at your cabinet.

-Original Message- From: Rob Genovesi
Sent: Thursday, June 16, 2016 10:14 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] Building small GPON network

We're looking at our first fiber neighborhood project, about 90 homes.
The neighborhood will be fed via wireless and fiber used for
distribution.  It's 100% aerial in remote private neighborhood.
Currently in the research/feasibility stage, but I hope this will be
our first build and a good project to cut our teeth on.

A few questions, answer off-list if you prefer:

- What OLT/ONT have people been using and liked for a small GPON
network?

- Reading about "Distributed Tap Architecture" vs Splitting method.
Anyone have experience with Tap?

- Armored or Dielectric?  100% aerial at the bottom of a canyon under
dense tree canopy.

I'm sure there will be more questions, thanks in advance for any
sharing.


Rob Genovesi • Coastside.Net • Owner
650-712-5900 • 525B Obispo Rd • Half Moon Bay CA









!DSPAM:2,5762d245184159820018358!

Re: [AFMUG] Building small GPON network

[Chuck McCown]

Yes

From: Rob Genovesi 
Sent: Thursday, June 16, 2016 10:39 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Building small GPON network

I had been thinking in terms of a entry every 2-4 homes (drop cables from entry 
directly to house on each side).  Seems excessive.


It does seem more managable if it's ~ 8 drops per entry.  The drop cable may 
run alongside the feeder cable for X feet until it splits off to go to the home?


-Rob



On Thu, Jun 16, 2016 at 9:30 AM, Chuck McCown  wrote:

  Hours.  So you want to minimize the number of entries you do.  

  From: Bruce Robertson 
  Sent: Thursday, June 16, 2016 10:28 AM
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Building small GPON network

  That's what I was looking for, thanks.  How long does it typically take to 
insert that in the middle of a 144 count?  Looks like a job...


  On 06/16/2016 09:24 AM, Josh Luthman wrote:

Isn't that what these are for?





Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Thu, Jun 16, 2016 at 12:23 PM, Bruce Robertson  wrote:

  > With active, each strand has to run back to a switch somewhere.

  Right, I got that.  I'm talking mechanically on the pole, in front of the 
house.  How do you suck their one fiber out of the 144 count  up on the pole? 



  On 06/16/2016 09:22 AM, Josh Reynolds wrote:

On gpon via a splitter. 1 fiber in, multiple fibers out. Can be on the 
pole, in a pedestal, or even in the ground in a hand hole.

With active, each strand has to run back to a switch somewhere.

On Jun 16, 2016 11:20 AM, "Bruce Robertson"  wrote:

  Noob question - mechanically, how do you break out an individual 
fiber outside the dwelling?

  On 06/16/2016 09:15 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:

Something that small, run 144 count fiber, home run to each 
dwelling and then choose active or PON back at your cabinet.

-Original Message- From: Rob Genovesi
Sent: Thursday, June 16, 2016 10:14 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] Building small GPON network

We're looking at our first fiber neighborhood project, about 90 
homes.
The neighborhood will be fed via wireless and fiber used for
distribution.  It's 100% aerial in remote private neighborhood.
Currently in the research/feasibility stage, but I hope this will be
our first build and a good project to cut our teeth on.

A few questions, answer off-list if you prefer:

- What OLT/ONT have people been using and liked for a small GPON 
network?

- Reading about "Distributed Tap Architecture" vs Splitting method.
Anyone have experience with Tap?

- Armored or Dielectric?  100% aerial at the bottom of a canyon 
under
dense tree canopy.

I'm sure there will be more questions, thanks in advance for any 
sharing.


Rob Genovesi • Coastside.Net • Owner
650-712-5900 • 525B Obispo Rd • Half Moon Bay CA












!DSPAM:2,5762d2d4185131830565217! 

Re: [AFMUG] Building small GPON network

[Chuck McCown]

Most of the fiber vendors will do a pre-connectorized design for this stuff 
if you have a really accurate design with pole spacings measured down to the 
inch.


-Original Message- 
From: Chuck McCown

Sent: Thursday, June 16, 2016 10:38 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Building small GPON network

You put enough slack on the snowshoes that you can get the splice case down
and into the splicing rig.  Many of them have a hatch in the ceiling.  An
old RV works great for this if you are starting out.  It will need a good
workbench with good lights and some power for the fusion machine.  AC and a
sound system is always appreciated.  Functional bathroom.

Somehow you will have to get the splice back up, normally you would use a
bucket truck, hopefully one with a splice body so the same rig can do both.
But you can work this stuff off of ladders if you have to.

-Original Message- 
From: Chuck McCown

Sent: Thursday, June 16, 2016 10:30 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Building small GPON network

Every so often, you do what is called a "ring cut" or "mid entry" with a
splice case.  Run drops forwards and back from the splice case.  8 drops
would not be a bad number to feed from each entry point.  You have a snow
shoe on one or both sides of the splice case to store you main cable slack.

It is easier than dealing with splitters out in the field and it also allows
you to do full active if you want to.  And you do want that option as it
will give you more capacity on each drop to sell and is really cheaper to do
if you do it via the Sterling Jacobson method.

-Original Message- 
From: Bruce Robertson

Sent: Thursday, June 16, 2016 10:20 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Building small GPON network

Noob question - mechanically, how do you break out an individual fiber
outside the dwelling?

On 06/16/2016 09:15 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:
Something that small, run 144 count fiber, home run to each dwelling and 
then choose active or PON back at your cabinet.


-Original Message- From: Rob Genovesi
Sent: Thursday, June 16, 2016 10:14 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] Building small GPON network

We're looking at our first fiber neighborhood project, about 90 homes.
The neighborhood will be fed via wireless and fiber used for
distribution.  It's 100% aerial in remote private neighborhood.
Currently in the research/feasibility stage, but I hope this will be
our first build and a good project to cut our teeth on.

A few questions, answer off-list if you prefer:

- What OLT/ONT have people been using and liked for a small GPON network?

- Reading about "Distributed Tap Architecture" vs Splitting method.
Anyone have experience with Tap?

- Armored or Dielectric?  100% aerial at the bottom of a canyon under
dense tree canopy.

I'm sure there will be more questions, thanks in advance for any sharing.


Rob Genovesi • Coastside.Net • Owner
650-712-5900 • 525B Obispo Rd • Half Moon Bay CA



!DSPAM:2,5762d0b8181031678613189!

Re: [AFMUG] Building small GPON network

[Josh Reynolds]

"I want Amy good at it but it was a passion in the ass."

Best quote of the day. Thanks Lewis! :)

On Thu, Jun 16, 2016 at 11:37 AM, Lewis Bergman  wrote:
> I want Amy good at it but it was a passion in the ass. Bunches of midspan
> splits seems to be a pita. I'd the place is small enough and small you are
> just learning maybe do smaller fiber count so you have less cuts and just
> run more.
> But, chunk is the expert.  We opted to spend more on equipment/fiber and go
> all tap so the maintenance wouldn't require splicing. But, to each his own.
> It seems fiber isn't that much different than anything else. You can spend
> as much as you want and to some extent you replace labor dollars with
> equipment dollars and vice versa.  Then it becomes what route if equipment
> and people you have and the incremental cost to do this job when you already
> have all that.  e Didn't so we went tap.
>
> On Thu, Jun 16, 2016, 11:23 AM Bruce Robertson  wrote:
>>
>> > With active, each strand has to run back to a switch somewhere.
>>
>> Right, I got that.  I'm talking mechanically on the pole, in front of the
>> house.  How do you suck their one fiber out of the 144 count  up on the
>> pole?
>>
>>
>> On 06/16/2016 09:22 AM, Josh Reynolds wrote:
>>
>> On gpon via a splitter. 1 fiber in, multiple fibers out. Can be on the
>> pole, in a pedestal, or even in the ground in a hand hole.
>>
>> With active, each strand has to run back to a switch somewhere.
>>
>> On Jun 16, 2016 11:20 AM, "Bruce Robertson"  wrote:
>>>
>>> Noob question - mechanically, how do you break out an individual fiber
>>> outside the dwelling?
>>>
>>> On 06/16/2016 09:15 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:

 Something that small, run 144 count fiber, home run to each dwelling and
 then choose active or PON back at your cabinet.

 -Original Message- From: Rob Genovesi
 Sent: Thursday, June 16, 2016 10:14 AM
 To: af@afmug.com
 Subject: [AFMUG] Building small GPON network

 We're looking at our first fiber neighborhood project, about 90 homes.
 The neighborhood will be fed via wireless and fiber used for
 distribution.  It's 100% aerial in remote private neighborhood.
 Currently in the research/feasibility stage, but I hope this will be
 our first build and a good project to cut our teeth on.

 A few questions, answer off-list if you prefer:

 - What OLT/ONT have people been using and liked for a small GPON
 network?

 - Reading about "Distributed Tap Architecture" vs Splitting method.
 Anyone have experience with Tap?

 - Armored or Dielectric?  100% aerial at the bottom of a canyon under
 dense tree canopy.

 I'm sure there will be more questions, thanks in advance for any
 sharing.


 Rob Genovesi • Coastside.Net • Owner
 650-712-5900 • 525B Obispo Rd • Half Moon Bay CA






>>>
>> !DSPAM:2,5762d245184159820018358!
>>
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Building small GPON network

[Rob Genovesi]

I had been thinking in terms of a entry every 2-4 homes (drop cables from
entry directly to house on each side).  Seems excessive.

It does seem more managable if it's ~ 8 drops per entry.  The drop cable
may run alongside the feeder cable for X feet until it splits off to go to
the home?

-Rob


On Thu, Jun 16, 2016 at 9:30 AM, Chuck McCown  wrote:

> Hours.  So you want to minimize the number of entries you do.
>
> *From:* Bruce Robertson 
> *Sent:* Thursday, June 16, 2016 10:28 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Building small GPON network
>
> That's what I was looking for, thanks.  How long does it typically take to
> insert that in the middle of a 144 count?  Looks like a job...
>
> On 06/16/2016 09:24 AM, Josh Luthman wrote:
>
> Isn't that what these are for?
>
> [image: Inline image 1]
>
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
> On Thu, Jun 16, 2016 at 12:23 PM, Bruce Robertson  wrote:
>
>> > With active, each strand has to run back to a switch somewhere.
>>
>> Right, I got that.  I'm talking mechanically on the pole, in front of the
>> house.  How do you suck their one fiber out of the 144 count  up on the
>> pole?
>>
>>
>> On 06/16/2016 09:22 AM, Josh Reynolds wrote:
>>
>> On gpon via a splitter. 1 fiber in, multiple fibers out. Can be on the
>> pole, in a pedestal, or even in the ground in a hand hole.
>>
>> With active, each strand has to run back to a switch somewhere.
>> On Jun 16, 2016 11:20 AM, "Bruce Robertson"  wrote:
>>
>>> Noob question - mechanically, how do you break out an individual fiber
>>> outside the dwelling?
>>>
>>> On 06/16/2016 09:15 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:
>>>
 Something that small, run 144 count fiber, home run to each dwelling
 and then choose active or PON back at your cabinet.

 -Original Message- From: Rob Genovesi
 Sent: Thursday, June 16, 2016 10:14 AM
 To: af@afmug.com
 Subject: [AFMUG] Building small GPON network

 We're looking at our first fiber neighborhood project, about 90 homes.
 The neighborhood will be fed via wireless and fiber used for
 distribution.  It's 100% aerial in remote private neighborhood.
 Currently in the research/feasibility stage, but I hope this will be
 our first build and a good project to cut our teeth on.

 A few questions, answer off-list if you prefer:

 - What OLT/ONT have people been using and liked for a small GPON
 network?

 - Reading about "Distributed Tap Architecture" vs Splitting method.
 Anyone have experience with Tap?

 - Armored or Dielectric?  100% aerial at the bottom of a canyon under
 dense tree canopy.

 I'm sure there will be more questions, thanks in advance for any
 sharing.


 Rob Genovesi • Coastside.Net • Owner
 650-712-5900 • 525B Obispo Rd • Half Moon Bay CA







>>>
>>
> !DSPAM:2,5762d2d4185131830565217!
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Building small GPON network

[Josh Reynolds]

We just did a 512ct the other day :(

On Thu, Jun 16, 2016 at 11:30 AM, Chuck McCown  wrote:

> Hours.  So you want to minimize the number of entries you do.
>
> *From:* Bruce Robertson 
> *Sent:* Thursday, June 16, 2016 10:28 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Building small GPON network
>
> That's what I was looking for, thanks.  How long does it typically take to
> insert that in the middle of a 144 count?  Looks like a job...
>
> On 06/16/2016 09:24 AM, Josh Luthman wrote:
>
> Isn't that what these are for?
>
> [image: Inline image 1]
>
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
> On Thu, Jun 16, 2016 at 12:23 PM, Bruce Robertson  wrote:
>
>> > With active, each strand has to run back to a switch somewhere.
>>
>> Right, I got that.  I'm talking mechanically on the pole, in front of the
>> house.  How do you suck their one fiber out of the 144 count  up on the
>> pole?
>>
>>
>> On 06/16/2016 09:22 AM, Josh Reynolds wrote:
>>
>> On gpon via a splitter. 1 fiber in, multiple fibers out. Can be on the
>> pole, in a pedestal, or even in the ground in a hand hole.
>>
>> With active, each strand has to run back to a switch somewhere.
>> On Jun 16, 2016 11:20 AM, "Bruce Robertson"  wrote:
>>
>>> Noob question - mechanically, how do you break out an individual fiber
>>> outside the dwelling?
>>>
>>> On 06/16/2016 09:15 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:
>>>
 Something that small, run 144 count fiber, home run to each dwelling
 and then choose active or PON back at your cabinet.

 -Original Message- From: Rob Genovesi
 Sent: Thursday, June 16, 2016 10:14 AM
 To: af@afmug.com
 Subject: [AFMUG] Building small GPON network

 We're looking at our first fiber neighborhood project, about 90 homes.
 The neighborhood will be fed via wireless and fiber used for
 distribution.  It's 100% aerial in remote private neighborhood.
 Currently in the research/feasibility stage, but I hope this will be
 our first build and a good project to cut our teeth on.

 A few questions, answer off-list if you prefer:

 - What OLT/ONT have people been using and liked for a small GPON
 network?

 - Reading about "Distributed Tap Architecture" vs Splitting method.
 Anyone have experience with Tap?

 - Armored or Dielectric?  100% aerial at the bottom of a canyon under
 dense tree canopy.

 I'm sure there will be more questions, thanks in advance for any
 sharing.


 Rob Genovesi • Coastside.Net • Owner
 650-712-5900 • 525B Obispo Rd • Half Moon Bay CA







>>>
>>
> !DSPAM:2,5762d2d4185131830565217!
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Building small GPON network

[Chuck McCown]

You put enough slack on the snowshoes that you can get the splice case down 
and into the splicing rig.  Many of them have a hatch in the ceiling.  An 
old RV works great for this if you are starting out.  It will need a good 
workbench with good lights and some power for the fusion machine.  AC and a 
sound system is always appreciated.  Functional bathroom.


Somehow you will have to get the splice back up, normally you would use a 
bucket truck, hopefully one with a splice body so the same rig can do both. 
But you can work this stuff off of ladders if you have to.


-Original Message- 
From: Chuck McCown

Sent: Thursday, June 16, 2016 10:30 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Building small GPON network

Every so often, you do what is called a "ring cut" or "mid entry" with a
splice case.  Run drops forwards and back from the splice case.  8 drops
would not be a bad number to feed from each entry point.  You have a snow
shoe on one or both sides of the splice case to store you main cable slack.

It is easier than dealing with splitters out in the field and it also allows
you to do full active if you want to.  And you do want that option as it
will give you more capacity on each drop to sell and is really cheaper to do
if you do it via the Sterling Jacobson method.

-Original Message- 
From: Bruce Robertson

Sent: Thursday, June 16, 2016 10:20 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Building small GPON network

Noob question - mechanically, how do you break out an individual fiber
outside the dwelling?

On 06/16/2016 09:15 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:
Something that small, run 144 count fiber, home run to each dwelling and 
then choose active or PON back at your cabinet.


-Original Message- From: Rob Genovesi
Sent: Thursday, June 16, 2016 10:14 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] Building small GPON network

We're looking at our first fiber neighborhood project, about 90 homes.
The neighborhood will be fed via wireless and fiber used for
distribution.  It's 100% aerial in remote private neighborhood.
Currently in the research/feasibility stage, but I hope this will be
our first build and a good project to cut our teeth on.

A few questions, answer off-list if you prefer:

- What OLT/ONT have people been using and liked for a small GPON network?

- Reading about "Distributed Tap Architecture" vs Splitting method.
Anyone have experience with Tap?

- Armored or Dielectric?  100% aerial at the bottom of a canyon under
dense tree canopy.

I'm sure there will be more questions, thanks in advance for any sharing.


Rob Genovesi • Coastside.Net • Owner
650-712-5900 • 525B Obispo Rd • Half Moon Bay CA



!DSPAM:2,5762d0b8181031678613189!

Re: [AFMUG] Building small GPON network

[Lewis Bergman]

I want Amy good at it but it was a passion in the ass. Bunches of midspan
splits seems to be a pita. I'd the place is small enough and small you are
just learning maybe do smaller fiber count so you have less cuts and just
run more.
But, chunk is the expert.  We opted to spend more on equipment/fiber and go
all tap so the maintenance wouldn't require splicing. But, to each his own.
It seems fiber isn't that much different than anything else. You can spend
as much as you want and to some extent you replace labor dollars with
equipment dollars and vice versa.  Then it becomes what route if equipment
and people you have and the incremental cost to do this job when you
already have all that.  e Didn't so we went tap.

On Thu, Jun 16, 2016, 11:23 AM Bruce Robertson  wrote:

> > With active, each strand has to run back to a switch somewhere.
>
> Right, I got that.  I'm talking mechanically on the pole, in front of the
> house.  How do you suck their one fiber out of the 144 count  up on the
> pole?
>
>
> On 06/16/2016 09:22 AM, Josh Reynolds wrote:
>
> On gpon via a splitter. 1 fiber in, multiple fibers out. Can be on the
> pole, in a pedestal, or even in the ground in a hand hole.
>
> With active, each strand has to run back to a switch somewhere.
> On Jun 16, 2016 11:20 AM, "Bruce Robertson"  wrote:
>
>> Noob question - mechanically, how do you break out an individual fiber
>> outside the dwelling?
>>
>> On 06/16/2016 09:15 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:
>>
>>> Something that small, run 144 count fiber, home run to each dwelling and
>>> then choose active or PON back at your cabinet.
>>>
>>> -Original Message- From: Rob Genovesi
>>> Sent: Thursday, June 16, 2016 10:14 AM
>>> To: af@afmug.com
>>> Subject: [AFMUG] Building small GPON network
>>>
>>> We're looking at our first fiber neighborhood project, about 90 homes.
>>> The neighborhood will be fed via wireless and fiber used for
>>> distribution.  It's 100% aerial in remote private neighborhood.
>>> Currently in the research/feasibility stage, but I hope this will be
>>> our first build and a good project to cut our teeth on.
>>>
>>> A few questions, answer off-list if you prefer:
>>>
>>> - What OLT/ONT have people been using and liked for a small GPON network?
>>>
>>> - Reading about "Distributed Tap Architecture" vs Splitting method.
>>> Anyone have experience with Tap?
>>>
>>> - Armored or Dielectric?  100% aerial at the bottom of a canyon under
>>> dense tree canopy.
>>>
>>> I'm sure there will be more questions, thanks in advance for any sharing.
>>>
>>>
>>> Rob Genovesi • Coastside.Net • Owner
>>> 650-712-5900 • 525B Obispo Rd • Half Moon Bay CA
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>> !DSPAM:2,5762d245184159820018358!
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] AF24 rebooting and freezing at power events

[Rory Conaway]

Some do, they have a brownout protection feature.  Also check grounding.

Rory

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jaime Solorza
Sent: Thursday, June 16, 2016 9:34 AM
To: Animal Farm
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] AF24 rebooting and freezing at power events


Is power regulated?   Not sure if APCs do that
On Jun 16, 2016 10:29 AM, "Gino Villarini" 
> wrote:
We have about 50 AF24 links deployed and we are seeing that the units are 
freezing at power events.  We are using factory PS and the units are connected 
to APC UPS units.

At events, the AF24 requiere a hard reboot in order to get them back to work.

Other equipment connected to the UPS do not get affected, not even reboots.

Any ideas?

Re: [AFMUG] AF24 rebooting and freezing at power events

[Josh Reynolds]

^ This

Also, you want to feed it PSW power if you can, not squared/clipped.

On Thu, Jun 16, 2016 at 11:34 AM, Jaime Solorza
 wrote:
> Is power regulated?   Not sure if APCs do that
>
> On Jun 16, 2016 10:29 AM, "Gino Villarini"  wrote:
>
> We have about 50 AF24 links deployed and we are seeing that the units are
> freezing at power events.  We are using factory PS and the units are
> connected to APC UPS units.
>
> At events, the AF24 requiere a hard reboot in order to get them back to
> work.
>
> Other equipment connected to the UPS do not get affected, not even reboots.
>
> Any ideas?

Re: [AFMUG] Building small GPON network

[Jaime Solorza]

Love it when you guys talk fiber porn
On Jun 16, 2016 10:30 AM, "Chuck McCown"  wrote:

> Every so often, you do what is called a "ring cut" or "mid entry" with a
> splice case.  Run drops forwards and back from the splice case.  8 drops
> would not be a bad number to feed from each entry point.  You have a snow
> shoe on one or both sides of the splice case to store you main cable slack.
>
> It is easier than dealing with splitters out in the field and it also
> allows you to do full active if you want to.  And you do want that option
> as it will give you more capacity on each drop to sell and is really
> cheaper to do if you do it via the Sterling Jacobson method.
>
> -Original Message- From: Bruce Robertson
> Sent: Thursday, June 16, 2016 10:20 AM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Building small GPON network
>
> Noob question - mechanically, how do you break out an individual fiber
> outside the dwelling?
>
> On 06/16/2016 09:15 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:
>
>> Something that small, run 144 count fiber, home run to each dwelling and
>> then choose active or PON back at your cabinet.
>>
>> -Original Message- From: Rob Genovesi
>> Sent: Thursday, June 16, 2016 10:14 AM
>> To: af@afmug.com
>> Subject: [AFMUG] Building small GPON network
>>
>> We're looking at our first fiber neighborhood project, about 90 homes.
>> The neighborhood will be fed via wireless and fiber used for
>> distribution.  It's 100% aerial in remote private neighborhood.
>> Currently in the research/feasibility stage, but I hope this will be
>> our first build and a good project to cut our teeth on.
>>
>> A few questions, answer off-list if you prefer:
>>
>> - What OLT/ONT have people been using and liked for a small GPON network?
>>
>> - Reading about "Distributed Tap Architecture" vs Splitting method.
>> Anyone have experience with Tap?
>>
>> - Armored or Dielectric?  100% aerial at the bottom of a canyon under
>> dense tree canopy.
>>
>> I'm sure there will be more questions, thanks in advance for any sharing.
>>
>>
>> Rob Genovesi • Coastside.Net • Owner
>> 650-712-5900 • 525B Obispo Rd • Half Moon Bay CA
>>
>>
>>
>> !DSPAM:2,5762d0b8181031678613189!
>>
>>
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] AF24 rebooting and freezing at power events

[Jaime Solorza]

Is power regulated?   Not sure if APCs do that
On Jun 16, 2016 10:29 AM, "Gino Villarini"  wrote:

We have about 50 AF24 links deployed and we are seeing that the units are
freezing at power events.  We are using factory PS and the units are
connected to APC UPS units.

At events, the AF24 requiere a hard reboot in order to get them back to
work.

Other equipment connected to the UPS do not get affected, not even reboots.

Any ideas?

Re: [AFMUG] AF24 rebooting and freezing at power events

[Josh Luthman]

Long ethernet run?  Those things are power hungry.


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Thu, Jun 16, 2016 at 12:29 PM, Gino Villarini 
wrote:

> We have about 50 AF24 links deployed and we are seeing that the units are
> freezing at power events.  We are using factory PS and the units are
> connected to APC UPS units.
>
> At events, the AF24 requiere a hard reboot in order to get them back to
> work.
>
> Other equipment connected to the UPS do not get affected, not even reboots.
>
> Any ideas?
>

Re: [AFMUG] Building small GPON network

[Chuck McCown]

Every so often, you do what is called a "ring cut" or "mid entry" with a 
splice case.  Run drops forwards and back from the splice case.  8 drops 
would not be a bad number to feed from each entry point.  You have a snow 
shoe on one or both sides of the splice case to store you main cable slack.


It is easier than dealing with splitters out in the field and it also allows 
you to do full active if you want to.  And you do want that option as it 
will give you more capacity on each drop to sell and is really cheaper to do 
if you do it via the Sterling Jacobson method.


-Original Message- 
From: Bruce Robertson

Sent: Thursday, June 16, 2016 10:20 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Building small GPON network

Noob question - mechanically, how do you break out an individual fiber
outside the dwelling?

On 06/16/2016 09:15 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:
Something that small, run 144 count fiber, home run to each dwelling and 
then choose active or PON back at your cabinet.


-Original Message- From: Rob Genovesi
Sent: Thursday, June 16, 2016 10:14 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] Building small GPON network

We're looking at our first fiber neighborhood project, about 90 homes.
The neighborhood will be fed via wireless and fiber used for
distribution.  It's 100% aerial in remote private neighborhood.
Currently in the research/feasibility stage, but I hope this will be
our first build and a good project to cut our teeth on.

A few questions, answer off-list if you prefer:

- What OLT/ONT have people been using and liked for a small GPON network?

- Reading about "Distributed Tap Architecture" vs Splitting method.
Anyone have experience with Tap?

- Armored or Dielectric?  100% aerial at the bottom of a canyon under
dense tree canopy.

I'm sure there will be more questions, thanks in advance for any sharing.


Rob Genovesi • Coastside.Net • Owner
650-712-5900 • 525B Obispo Rd • Half Moon Bay CA



!DSPAM:2,5762d0b8181031678613189!

[AFMUG] AF24 rebooting and freezing at power events

[Gino Villarini]

We have about 50 AF24 links deployed and we are seeing that the units are
freezing at power events.  We are using factory PS and the units are
connected to APC UPS units.

At events, the AF24 requiere a hard reboot in order to get them back to
work.

Other equipment connected to the UPS do not get affected, not even reboots.

Any ideas?

Re: [AFMUG] OT: Today's date is...

[Ken Hohhof]

Friday the 13th is a baleful day, particularly when it falls on a Friday.

(It fell on a Monday this week, thus putting the knockwurst on the whole 
week.)



-Original Message- 
From: Jay Weekley

Sent: Thursday, June 16, 2016 11:08 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Today's date is...

It's a hell of a day.

Josh Luthman wrote:

06-16-16 backwards is 6-16-16 0

June 16 of 2016


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340 
Direct: 937-552-2343 
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Thu, Jun 16, 2016 at 10:47 AM, Josh Reynolds > wrote:


I don't get it

On Jun 16, 2016 9:44 AM, "Bill Prince" > wrote:

It's a palindrome of sorts.

61616

Reads the same forward and back

It's symmetrical too.

unless you read it the European way, then it's 16616. Not
nearly as enjoyable.


bp


On 6/16/2016 7:14 AM, Jay Weekley wrote:

06-16-16.  Get it?

Re: [AFMUG] Fw: OT: Today's date is...

[That One Guy /sarcasm]

from the sounds of it, the list has been hitting the tecate pretty hard
today

On Thu, Jun 16, 2016 at 11:21 AM, Jaime Solorza 
wrote:

> Tecate cures all
> On Jun 16, 2016 10:13 AM, "Chuck McCown"  wrote:
>
>> Dammit, I'm mad!
>>
>> -Original Message- From: Chuck McCown Sent: Thursday, June 16,
>> 2016 10:09 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Today's date
>> is...
>> Aibohphobia
>>
>> -Original Message- From: Jay Weekley Sent: Thursday, June 16,
>> 2016 10:08 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Today's date
>> is...
>> It's a hell of a day.
>>
>> Josh Luthman wrote:
>>
>>> 06-16-16 backwards is 6-16-16 0
>>>
>>> June 16 of 2016
>>>
>>>
>>> Josh Luthman
>>> Office: 937-552-2340 
>>> Direct: 937-552-2343 
>>> 1100 Wayne St
>>> Suite 1337
>>> Troy, OH 45373
>>>
>>> On Thu, Jun 16, 2016 at 10:47 AM, Josh Reynolds >> > wrote:
>>>
>>> I don't get it
>>>
>>> On Jun 16, 2016 9:44 AM, "Bill Prince" >> > wrote:
>>>
>>> It's a palindrome of sorts.
>>>
>>> 61616
>>>
>>> Reads the same forward and back
>>>
>>> It's symmetrical too.
>>>
>>> unless you read it the European way, then it's 16616. Not
>>> nearly as enjoyable.
>>>
>>>
>>> bp
>>> 
>>>
>>> On 6/16/2016 7:14 AM, Jay Weekley wrote:
>>>
>>> 06-16-16.  Get it?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>


-- 
If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] OT: Today's date is...

[Josh Reynolds]

My funny bone must be defective :(
On Jun 16, 2016 9:50 AM, "Josh Luthman"  wrote:

> 06-16-16 backwards is 6-16-16 0
>
> June 16 of 2016
>
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
> On Thu, Jun 16, 2016 at 10:47 AM, Josh Reynolds 
> wrote:
>
>> I don't get it
>> On Jun 16, 2016 9:44 AM, "Bill Prince"  wrote:
>>
>>> It's a palindrome of sorts.
>>>
>>> 61616
>>>
>>> Reads the same forward and back
>>>
>>> It's symmetrical too.
>>>
>>> unless you read it the European way, then it's 16616. Not nearly as
>>> enjoyable.
>>>
>>>
>>> bp
>>> 
>>>
>>> On 6/16/2016 7:14 AM, Jay Weekley wrote:
>>>
 06-16-16.  Get it?

>>>
>>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Building small GPON network

[Bruce Robertson]

> With active, each strand has to run back to a switch somewhere.

Right, I got that.  I'm talking mechanically on the pole, in front of 
the house.  How do you suck their one fiber out of the 144 count up on 
the pole?


On 06/16/2016 09:22 AM, Josh Reynolds wrote:


On gpon via a splitter. 1 fiber in, multiple fibers out. Can be on the 
pole, in a pedestal, or even in the ground in a hand hole.


With active, each strand has to run back to a switch somewhere.

On Jun 16, 2016 11:20 AM, "Bruce Robertson" > wrote:


Noob question - mechanically, how do you break out an individual
fiber outside the dwelling?

On 06/16/2016 09:15 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:

Something that small, run 144 count fiber, home run to each
dwelling and then choose active or PON back at your cabinet.

-Original Message- From: Rob Genovesi
Sent: Thursday, June 16, 2016 10:14 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: [AFMUG] Building small GPON network

We're looking at our first fiber neighborhood project, about
90 homes.
The neighborhood will be fed via wireless and fiber used for
distribution.  It's 100% aerial in remote private neighborhood.
Currently in the research/feasibility stage, but I hope this
will be
our first build and a good project to cut our teeth on.

A few questions, answer off-list if you prefer:

- What OLT/ONT have people been using and liked for a small
GPON network?

- Reading about "Distributed Tap Architecture" vs Splitting
method.
Anyone have experience with Tap?

- Armored or Dielectric?  100% aerial at the bottom of a
canyon under
dense tree canopy.

I'm sure there will be more questions, thanks in advance for
any sharing.


Rob Genovesi • Coastside.Net • Owner
650-712-5900  • 525B Obispo Rd • Half Moon
Bay CA







!DSPAM:2,5762d245184159820018358! 

Re: [AFMUG] Building small GPON network

[Josh Reynolds]

On gpon via a splitter. 1 fiber in, multiple fibers out. Can be on the
pole, in a pedestal, or even in the ground in a hand hole.

With active, each strand has to run back to a switch somewhere.
On Jun 16, 2016 11:20 AM, "Bruce Robertson"  wrote:

> Noob question - mechanically, how do you break out an individual fiber
> outside the dwelling?
>
> On 06/16/2016 09:15 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:
>
>> Something that small, run 144 count fiber, home run to each dwelling and
>> then choose active or PON back at your cabinet.
>>
>> -Original Message- From: Rob Genovesi
>> Sent: Thursday, June 16, 2016 10:14 AM
>> To: af@afmug.com
>> Subject: [AFMUG] Building small GPON network
>>
>> We're looking at our first fiber neighborhood project, about 90 homes.
>> The neighborhood will be fed via wireless and fiber used for
>> distribution.  It's 100% aerial in remote private neighborhood.
>> Currently in the research/feasibility stage, but I hope this will be
>> our first build and a good project to cut our teeth on.
>>
>> A few questions, answer off-list if you prefer:
>>
>> - What OLT/ONT have people been using and liked for a small GPON network?
>>
>> - Reading about "Distributed Tap Architecture" vs Splitting method.
>> Anyone have experience with Tap?
>>
>> - Armored or Dielectric?  100% aerial at the bottom of a canyon under
>> dense tree canopy.
>>
>> I'm sure there will be more questions, thanks in advance for any sharing.
>>
>>
>> Rob Genovesi • Coastside.Net • Owner
>> 650-712-5900 • 525B Obispo Rd • Half Moon Bay CA
>>
>>
>>
>> !DSPAM:2,5762d0b8181031678613189!
>>
>>
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Fw: OT: Today's date is...

[Jaime Solorza]

Tecate cures all
On Jun 16, 2016 10:13 AM, "Chuck McCown"  wrote:

> Dammit, I'm mad!
>
> -Original Message- From: Chuck McCown Sent: Thursday, June 16,
> 2016 10:09 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Today's date
> is...
> Aibohphobia
>
> -Original Message- From: Jay Weekley Sent: Thursday, June 16, 2016
> 10:08 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Today's date is...
> It's a hell of a day.
>
> Josh Luthman wrote:
>
>> 06-16-16 backwards is 6-16-16 0
>>
>> June 16 of 2016
>>
>>
>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340 
>> Direct: 937-552-2343 
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
>>
>> On Thu, Jun 16, 2016 at 10:47 AM, Josh Reynolds > > wrote:
>>
>> I don't get it
>>
>> On Jun 16, 2016 9:44 AM, "Bill Prince" > > wrote:
>>
>> It's a palindrome of sorts.
>>
>> 61616
>>
>> Reads the same forward and back
>>
>> It's symmetrical too.
>>
>> unless you read it the European way, then it's 16616. Not
>> nearly as enjoyable.
>>
>>
>> bp
>> 
>>
>> On 6/16/2016 7:14 AM, Jay Weekley wrote:
>>
>> 06-16-16.  Get it?
>>
>>
>>
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Building small GPON network

[Bruce Robertson]

Noob question - mechanically, how do you break out an individual fiber 
outside the dwelling?


On 06/16/2016 09:15 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:
Something that small, run 144 count fiber, home run to each dwelling 
and then choose active or PON back at your cabinet.


-Original Message- From: Rob Genovesi
Sent: Thursday, June 16, 2016 10:14 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] Building small GPON network

We're looking at our first fiber neighborhood project, about 90 homes.
The neighborhood will be fed via wireless and fiber used for
distribution.  It's 100% aerial in remote private neighborhood.
Currently in the research/feasibility stage, but I hope this will be
our first build and a good project to cut our teeth on.

A few questions, answer off-list if you prefer:

- What OLT/ONT have people been using and liked for a small GPON network?

- Reading about "Distributed Tap Architecture" vs Splitting method.
Anyone have experience with Tap?

- Armored or Dielectric?  100% aerial at the bottom of a canyon under
dense tree canopy.

I'm sure there will be more questions, thanks in advance for any sharing.


Rob Genovesi • Coastside.Net • Owner
650-712-5900 • 525B Obispo Rd • Half Moon Bay CA



!DSPAM:2,5762d0b8181031678613189!

Re: [AFMUG] Building small GPON network

[Chuck McCown]

Something that small, run 144 count fiber, home run to each dwelling and 
then choose active or PON back at your cabinet.


-Original Message- 
From: Rob Genovesi

Sent: Thursday, June 16, 2016 10:14 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] Building small GPON network

We're looking at our first fiber neighborhood project, about 90 homes.
The neighborhood will be fed via wireless and fiber used for
distribution.  It's 100% aerial in remote private neighborhood.
Currently in the research/feasibility stage, but I hope this will be
our first build and a good project to cut our teeth on.

A few questions, answer off-list if you prefer:

- What OLT/ONT have people been using and liked for a small GPON network?

- Reading about "Distributed Tap Architecture" vs Splitting method.
Anyone have experience with Tap?

- Armored or Dielectric?  100% aerial at the bottom of a canyon under
dense tree canopy.

I'm sure there will be more questions, thanks in advance for any sharing.


Rob Genovesi • Coastside.Net • Owner
650-712-5900 • 525B Obispo Rd • Half Moon Bay CA 

[AFMUG] Building small GPON network

[Rob Genovesi]

We're looking at our first fiber neighborhood project, about 90 homes.
The neighborhood will be fed via wireless and fiber used for
distribution.  It's 100% aerial in remote private neighborhood.
Currently in the research/feasibility stage, but I hope this will be
our first build and a good project to cut our teeth on.

A few questions, answer off-list if you prefer:

- What OLT/ONT have people been using and liked for a small GPON network?

- Reading about "Distributed Tap Architecture" vs Splitting method.
Anyone have experience with Tap?

- Armored or Dielectric?  100% aerial at the bottom of a canyon under
dense tree canopy.

I'm sure there will be more questions, thanks in advance for any sharing.


Rob Genovesi • Coastside.Net • Owner
650-712-5900 • 525B Obispo Rd • Half Moon Bay CA

[AFMUG] Fw: OT: Today's date is...

[Chuck McCown]

Dammit, I'm mad!

-Original Message- 
From: Chuck McCown 
Sent: Thursday, June 16, 2016 10:09 AM 
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Today's date is... 


Aibohphobia

-Original Message- 
From: Jay Weekley 
Sent: Thursday, June 16, 2016 10:08 AM 
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Today's date is... 


It's a hell of a day.

Josh Luthman wrote:

06-16-16 backwards is 6-16-16 0

June 16 of 2016


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340 
Direct: 937-552-2343 
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Thu, Jun 16, 2016 at 10:47 AM, Josh Reynolds > wrote:


I don't get it

On Jun 16, 2016 9:44 AM, "Bill Prince" > wrote:

It's a palindrome of sorts.

61616

Reads the same forward and back

It's symmetrical too.

unless you read it the European way, then it's 16616. Not
nearly as enjoyable.


bp


On 6/16/2016 7:14 AM, Jay Weekley wrote:

06-16-16.  Get it?

Re: [AFMUG] OT: Today's date is...

[Chuck McCown]

Aibohphobia

-Original Message- 
From: Jay Weekley 
Sent: Thursday, June 16, 2016 10:08 AM 
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Today's date is... 


It's a hell of a day.

Josh Luthman wrote:

06-16-16 backwards is 6-16-16 0

June 16 of 2016


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340 
Direct: 937-552-2343 
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Thu, Jun 16, 2016 at 10:47 AM, Josh Reynolds > wrote:


I don't get it

On Jun 16, 2016 9:44 AM, "Bill Prince" > wrote:

It's a palindrome of sorts.

61616

Reads the same forward and back

It's symmetrical too.

unless you read it the European way, then it's 16616. Not
nearly as enjoyable.


bp


On 6/16/2016 7:14 AM, Jay Weekley wrote:

06-16-16.  Get it?

Re: [AFMUG] OT: Today's date is...

[Jay Weekley]

It's a hell of a day.

Josh Luthman wrote:

06-16-16 backwards is 6-16-16 0

June 16 of 2016


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340 
Direct: 937-552-2343 
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Thu, Jun 16, 2016 at 10:47 AM, Josh Reynolds > wrote:


I don't get it

On Jun 16, 2016 9:44 AM, "Bill Prince" > wrote:

It's a palindrome of sorts.

61616

Reads the same forward and back

It's symmetrical too.

unless you read it the European way, then it's 16616. Not
nearly as enjoyable.


bp


On 6/16/2016 7:14 AM, Jay Weekley wrote:

06-16-16.  Get it?

Re: [AFMUG] Power limits per hertz.

[Adam Moffett]

You always phrase things in a way that makes sense to me.


-- Original Message --
From: "Ken Hohhof" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: 6/16/2016 10:37:32 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Power limits per hertz.


Yes, except you are counting the 3 dB twice.

If you look at it from the total power perspective, signal stays the 
same, noise is cut in half.  If you look at it from the power spectral 
density perspective, signal is double, noise stays the same.


In some bands the regulatory limit is on psd not total power, so you 
don’t gain any system margin with a narrower channel, you just lose 
throughput.



From:Forrest Christian (List Account)
Sent: Thursday, June 16, 2016 9:18 AM
To:af
Subject: [AFMUG] Power limits per hertz.

I've had a couple of conversations over the past little bit which has 
gotten me thinking about power limits in relation to channel width.


This is my thinking.  Assume 5.8ghz, ap side.  Power limit 36dbm.

My question/thought/potential misunderstanding has to do with how that 
36dbm is measured.  Assuming you're comparing a 20 mhz channel with a 
10 mhz channel, both at EIRP limits, does the 10 mhz channel 
effectively have more Power density?


Assuming this is the case,  it seems you would gain 3db of link margin 
for the increased power density and 3db more for reduced noise floor.  
6db is double the distance which is big, even with the reduced 
throughput.


Is this the way this works?

Re: [AFMUG] OT: Today's date is...

[Robert Andrews]

or Madam I'm Adam

On 06/16/2016 07:51 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:

Madam, Adam.
*From:* Josh Luthman 
*Sent:* Thursday, June 16, 2016 8:50 AM
*To:* af@afmug.com 
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: Today's date is...
06-16-16 backwards is 6-16-16 0
June 16 of 2016
Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340 
Direct: 937-552-2343 
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Thu, Jun 16, 2016 at 10:47 AM, Josh Reynolds > wrote:

I don't get it

On Jun 16, 2016 9:44 AM, "Bill Prince" > wrote:

It's a palindrome of sorts.

 61616

Reads the same forward and back

It's symmetrical too.

unless you read it the European way, then it's 16616. Not nearly
as enjoyable.


bp


On 6/16/2016 7:14 AM, Jay Weekley wrote:

06-16-16. Get it?

Re: [AFMUG] OT: Today's date is...

[Chuck McCown]

Dennis sinned

-Original Message- 
From: Robert Andrews 
Sent: Thursday, June 16, 2016 9:28 AM 
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Today's date is... 

and 12345 backwards is 54321But I think what all you are trying to 
say makes a lot more sense if you leave off the 0?


On 06/16/2016 07:50 AM, Josh Luthman wrote:

06-16-16 backwards is 6-16-16 0

June 16 of 2016


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340 
Direct: 937-552-2343 
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Thu, Jun 16, 2016 at 10:47 AM, Josh Reynolds > wrote:

I don't get it

On Jun 16, 2016 9:44 AM, "Bill Prince" > wrote:

It's a palindrome of sorts.

 61616

Reads the same forward and back

It's symmetrical too.

unless you read it the European way, then it's 16616. Not nearly
as enjoyable.


bp


On 6/16/2016 7:14 AM, Jay Weekley wrote:

06-16-16.  Get it?

Re: [AFMUG] OT: Today's date is...

[Robert Andrews]

and 12345 backwards is 54321But I think what all you are trying to 
say makes a lot more sense if you leave off the 0?


On 06/16/2016 07:50 AM, Josh Luthman wrote:

06-16-16 backwards is 6-16-16 0

June 16 of 2016


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340 
Direct: 937-552-2343 
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Thu, Jun 16, 2016 at 10:47 AM, Josh Reynolds > wrote:

I don't get it

On Jun 16, 2016 9:44 AM, "Bill Prince" > wrote:

It's a palindrome of sorts.

 61616

Reads the same forward and back

It's symmetrical too.

unless you read it the European way, then it's 16616. Not nearly
as enjoyable.


bp


On 6/16/2016 7:14 AM, Jay Weekley wrote:

06-16-16.  Get it?

Re: [AFMUG] OT: Today's date is...

[Chuck McCown]

Madam, Adam.

From: Josh Luthman 
Sent: Thursday, June 16, 2016 8:50 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Today's date is...

06-16-16 backwards is 6-16-16 0 

June 16 of 2016


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Thu, Jun 16, 2016 at 10:47 AM, Josh Reynolds  wrote:

  I don't get it

  On Jun 16, 2016 9:44 AM, "Bill Prince"  wrote:

It's a palindrome of sorts.

61616

Reads the same forward and back

It's symmetrical too.

unless you read it the European way, then it's 16616. Not nearly as 
enjoyable.


bp


On 6/16/2016 7:14 AM, Jay Weekley wrote:

  06-16-16.  Get it?

Re: [AFMUG] OT: Today's date is...

[Josh Luthman]

06-16-16 backwards is 6-16-16 0

June 16 of 2016


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Thu, Jun 16, 2016 at 10:47 AM, Josh Reynolds 
wrote:

> I don't get it
> On Jun 16, 2016 9:44 AM, "Bill Prince"  wrote:
>
>> It's a palindrome of sorts.
>>
>> 61616
>>
>> Reads the same forward and back
>>
>> It's symmetrical too.
>>
>> unless you read it the European way, then it's 16616. Not nearly as
>> enjoyable.
>>
>>
>> bp
>> 
>>
>> On 6/16/2016 7:14 AM, Jay Weekley wrote:
>>
>>> 06-16-16.  Get it?
>>>
>>
>>

Re: [AFMUG] OT: Today's date is...

[Chuck McCown]

A man, a plan, a canal, Panama!

From: Josh Reynolds 
Sent: Thursday, June 16, 2016 8:47 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Today's date is...

I don't get it

On Jun 16, 2016 9:44 AM, "Bill Prince"  wrote:

  It's a palindrome of sorts.

  61616

  Reads the same forward and back

  It's symmetrical too.

  unless you read it the European way, then it's 16616. Not nearly as enjoyable.


  bp
  

  On 6/16/2016 7:14 AM, Jay Weekley wrote:

06-16-16.  Get it?

Re: [AFMUG] OT: Today's date is...

[Josh Reynolds]

I don't get it
On Jun 16, 2016 9:44 AM, "Bill Prince"  wrote:

> It's a palindrome of sorts.
>
> 61616
>
> Reads the same forward and back
>
> It's symmetrical too.
>
> unless you read it the European way, then it's 16616. Not nearly as
> enjoyable.
>
>
> bp
> 
>
> On 6/16/2016 7:14 AM, Jay Weekley wrote:
>
>> 06-16-16.  Get it?
>>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] OT: Today's date is...

[Chuck McCown]

Too hot to hoot.

-Original Message- 
From: Bill Prince 
Sent: Thursday, June 16, 2016 8:44 AM 
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Today's date is... 


It's a palindrome of sorts.

61616

Reads the same forward and back

It's symmetrical too.

unless you read it the European way, then it's 16616. Not nearly as 
enjoyable.



bp


On 6/16/2016 7:14 AM, Jay Weekley wrote:

06-16-16.  Get it?

Re: [AFMUG] Power limits per hertz.

[Jeremy]

I was recently using the AirMagic feature on a backhaul link and it was
nice enough to tell me the bits per Hz and calculate total potential
bandwidth at different channel widths.  It claimed that I would actually
get more bandwidth on a 20MHz channel as opposed to a 40MHz channel down
that same path.  I tried it and sure enough!  AirMagic is amazing.  Now if
they would just get 8.0 firmware solid enough that I could be confident
running it everywhere.

On Thu, Jun 16, 2016 at 8:37 AM, Ken Hohhof  wrote:

> Yes, except you are counting the 3 dB twice.
>
> If you look at it from the total power perspective, signal stays the same,
> noise is cut in half.  If you look at it from the power spectral density
> perspective, signal is double, noise stays the same.
>
> In some bands the regulatory limit is on psd not total power, so you don’t
> gain any system margin with a narrower channel, you just lose throughput.
>
>
> *From:* Forrest Christian (List Account) 
> *Sent:* Thursday, June 16, 2016 9:18 AM
> *To:* af 
> *Subject:* [AFMUG] Power limits per hertz.
>
>
> I've had a couple of conversations over the past little bit which has
> gotten me thinking about power limits in relation to channel width.
>
> This is my thinking.  Assume 5.8ghz, ap side.  Power limit 36dbm.
>
> My question/thought/potential misunderstanding has to do with how that
> 36dbm is measured.  Assuming you're comparing a 20 mhz channel with a 10
> mhz channel, both at EIRP limits, does the 10 mhz channel effectively have
> more Power density?
>
> Assuming this is the case,  it seems you would gain 3db of link margin for
> the increased power density and 3db more for reduced noise floor.  6db is
> double the distance which is big, even with the reduced throughput.
>
> Is this the way this works?
>

Re: [AFMUG] OT: Today's date is...

[Jerry Head]

It has been a rough week, can we help?

On 6/16/2016 9:30 AM, Jay Weekley wrote:

Yeah, hope you're fairing better than us.

Jerry Head wrote:

All week long...ba-da-bing!

On 6/16/2016 9:14 AM, Jay Weekley wrote:

06-16-16.  Get it?

Re: [AFMUG] Power limits per hertz.

[Chuck McCown]

Historically these rules were based on power measuring technologies like 
bolometers which are light bulbs in a wheatstone bridge.

The bolometer would measure DC-8 GHz for example.  Oblivious to frequencies of 
any carriers present.
They all contributed to the heating of the filament.  
Total power.  If all that power was put into a CW carrier, that is quite a bit 
of power density.  

So a rule like:
(A) The average equivalent isotropically radiated power (EIRP) must not exceed 
2,000 watts within any 5 megahertz of authorized bandwidth and must not exceed 
400 watts within any 1 megahertz of authorized bandwidth.

You can see that if there were 5 channels, each 1 MHz wide, each producing 400 
watts, and each terminating in a dummy load in a bucket of water, that water 
would get just as hot as if there was one transmitter with a 5 MHz channel 
pumping out 2000 watts.  

From: Forrest Christian (List Account) 
Sent: Thursday, June 16, 2016 8:18 AM
To: af 
Subject: [AFMUG] Power limits per hertz.


I've had a couple of conversations over the past little bit which has gotten me 
thinking about power limits in relation to channel width.   

This is my thinking.  Assume 5.8ghz, ap side.  Power limit 36dbm.

My question/thought/potential misunderstanding has to do with how that 36dbm is 
measured.  Assuming you're comparing a 20 mhz channel with a 10 mhz channel, 
both at EIRP limits, does the 10 mhz channel effectively have more Power 
density?

Assuming this is the case,  it seems you would gain 3db of link margin for the 
increased power density and 3db more for reduced noise floor.  6db is double 
the distance which is big, even with the reduced throughput.

Is this the way this works?

Re: [AFMUG] OT: Today's date is...

[Bill Prince]

It's a palindrome of sorts.

61616

Reads the same forward and back

It's symmetrical too.

unless you read it the European way, then it's 16616. Not nearly as 
enjoyable.



bp


On 6/16/2016 7:14 AM, Jay Weekley wrote:

06-16-16.  Get it?

Re: [AFMUG] Power limits per hertz.

[Ken Hohhof]

Yes, except you are counting the 3 dB twice.

If you look at it from the total power perspective, signal stays the same, 
noise is cut in half.  If you look at it from the power spectral density 
perspective, signal is double, noise stays the same.

In some bands the regulatory limit is on psd not total power, so you don’t gain 
any system margin with a narrower channel, you just lose throughput.


From: Forrest Christian (List Account) 
Sent: Thursday, June 16, 2016 9:18 AM
To: af 
Subject: [AFMUG] Power limits per hertz.

I've had a couple of conversations over the past little bit which has gotten me 
thinking about power limits in relation to channel width.   

This is my thinking.  Assume 5.8ghz, ap side.  Power limit 36dbm.

My question/thought/potential misunderstanding has to do with how that 36dbm is 
measured.  Assuming you're comparing a 20 mhz channel with a 10 mhz channel, 
both at EIRP limits, does the 10 mhz channel effectively have more Power 
density?

Assuming this is the case,  it seems you would gain 3db of link margin for the 
increased power density and 3db more for reduced noise floor.  6db is double 
the distance which is big, even with the reduced throughput.

Is this the way this works?

Re: [AFMUG] OT: Today's date is...

[Jaime Solorza]

That's not 666
On Jun 16, 2016 8:14 AM, "Jay Weekley"  wrote:

> 06-16-16.  Get it?
>

Re: [AFMUG] OT: Today's date is...

[Jay Weekley]

666.  You should go to church more.

Ty Featherling wrote:

I don't get it.



-Ty

On Thu, Jun 16, 2016 at 9:26 AM, Jerry Head > wrote:


All week long...ba-da-bing!

On 6/16/2016 9:14 AM, Jay Weekley wrote:

06-16-16.  Get it?

Re: [AFMUG] OT: Today's date is...

[Jay Weekley]

Yeah, hope you're fairing better than us.

Jerry Head wrote:

All week long...ba-da-bing!

On 6/16/2016 9:14 AM, Jay Weekley wrote:

06-16-16.  Get it?

Re: [AFMUG] OT: Today's date is...

[Josh Luthman]

Read it right to left


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Thu, Jun 16, 2016 at 10:27 AM, Ty Featherling 
wrote:

> I don't get it.
>
>
>
> -Ty
>
> On Thu, Jun 16, 2016 at 9:26 AM, Jerry Head 
> wrote:
>
>> All week long...ba-da-bing!
>>
>> On 6/16/2016 9:14 AM, Jay Weekley wrote:
>>
>>> 06-16-16.  Get it?
>>>
>>
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] OT: Today's date is...

[Ty Featherling]

I don't get it.



-Ty

On Thu, Jun 16, 2016 at 9:26 AM, Jerry Head 
wrote:

> All week long...ba-da-bing!
>
> On 6/16/2016 9:14 AM, Jay Weekley wrote:
>
>> 06-16-16.  Get it?
>>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] OT: Today's date is...

[Jerry Head]

All week long...ba-da-bing!

On 6/16/2016 9:14 AM, Jay Weekley wrote:

06-16-16.  Get it?

Re: [AFMUG] Powercode GX426

[That One Guy /sarcasm]

lol last automatic we had was in october, october was a good month, only
changed most of the network since then.

we just run two bmus mirrored on different parts of the network with ospf,
that way if one croaks (assuming we lose ospf routing) the other picks up
the slack

On Thu, Jun 16, 2016 at 9:16 AM, CBB - Jay Fuller  wrote:

>
> yah, it is supposed to be automatic
> supposed to be : /
>
>
> - Original Message -
> *From:* Jeremy 
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Sent:* Thursday, June 16, 2016 9:12 AM
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Powercode GX426
>
> Note to self:  Backup configs today.
>
> On Thu, Jun 16, 2016 at 8:11 AM, Jeremy  wrote:
>
>> Then if it fails I use that one and STILL have to buy another one and
>> limp along until it gets here.  I only want to fix that problem once.
>>
>> On Thu, Jun 16, 2016 at 8:05 AM, Josh Luthman <
>> j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Buy the much smaller one for a spare.  It'll limp along for <24 hours.
>>>
>>>
>>> Josh Luthman
>>> Office: 937-552-2340
>>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>>> 1100 Wayne St
>>> Suite 1337
>>> Troy, OH 45373
>>>
>>> On Thu, Jun 16, 2016 at 10:04 AM, Jeremy  wrote:
>>>
 I've been asking the same question on the WISPA list since last year.
 I think I'm going to have to bite the bullet and just buy one at full
 price.  That's just a lot of cash for a backup spare.

 On Thu, Jun 16, 2016 at 6:38 AM, Kayse Internet - Curt Cormier <
 li...@kaysebroadband.com> wrote:

> Does anyone have a Powercode GX426 BMU they are looking to get rid of?
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Thanks,
>
> Curt
>


>>>
>>
>


-- 
If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] Power limits per hertz.

[Josh Reynolds]

>From my understanding, the power density part is correct. You normally gain
about 3dB of receiver sensitivity due to reduced thermal noise.
On Jun 16, 2016 9:18 AM, "Forrest Christian (List Account)" <
li...@packetflux.com> wrote:

> I've had a couple of conversations over the past little bit which has
> gotten me thinking about power limits in relation to channel width.
>
> This is my thinking.  Assume 5.8ghz, ap side.  Power limit 36dbm.
>
> My question/thought/potential misunderstanding has to do with how that
> 36dbm is measured.  Assuming you're comparing a 20 mhz channel with a 10
> mhz channel, both at EIRP limits, does the 10 mhz channel effectively have
> more Power density?
>
> Assuming this is the case,  it seems you would gain 3db of link margin for
> the increased power density and 3db more for reduced noise floor.  6db is
> double the distance which is big, even with the reduced throughput.
>
> Is this the way this works?
>

Re: [AFMUG] Power limits per hertz.

[Josh Luthman]

Yes.  Another 3db of power in 10 MHz versus 20 MHz.  Yet another 3db if you
use 5 MHz, but that's severely trashing your bandwidth capacity.


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Thu, Jun 16, 2016 at 10:18 AM, Forrest Christian (List Account) <
li...@packetflux.com> wrote:

> I've had a couple of conversations over the past little bit which has
> gotten me thinking about power limits in relation to channel width.
>
> This is my thinking.  Assume 5.8ghz, ap side.  Power limit 36dbm.
>
> My question/thought/potential misunderstanding has to do with how that
> 36dbm is measured.  Assuming you're comparing a 20 mhz channel with a 10
> mhz channel, both at EIRP limits, does the 10 mhz channel effectively have
> more Power density?
>
> Assuming this is the case,  it seems you would gain 3db of link margin for
> the increased power density and 3db more for reduced noise floor.  6db is
> double the distance which is big, even with the reduced throughput.
>
> Is this the way this works?
>

[AFMUG] Power limits per hertz.

[Forrest Christian (List Account)]

I've had a couple of conversations over the past little bit which has
gotten me thinking about power limits in relation to channel width.

This is my thinking.  Assume 5.8ghz, ap side.  Power limit 36dbm.

My question/thought/potential misunderstanding has to do with how that
36dbm is measured.  Assuming you're comparing a 20 mhz channel with a 10
mhz channel, both at EIRP limits, does the 10 mhz channel effectively have
more Power density?

Assuming this is the case,  it seems you would gain 3db of link margin for
the increased power density and 3db more for reduced noise floor.  6db is
double the distance which is big, even with the reduced throughput.

Is this the way this works?

Re: [AFMUG] Powercode GX426

[CBB - Jay Fuller]

yah, it is supposed to be automatic
supposed to be : /

  - Original Message - 
  From: Jeremy 
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Sent: Thursday, June 16, 2016 9:12 AM
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Powercode GX426


  Note to self:  Backup configs today.


  On Thu, Jun 16, 2016 at 8:11 AM, Jeremy  wrote:

Then if it fails I use that one and STILL have to buy another one and limp 
along until it gets here.  I only want to fix that problem once.


On Thu, Jun 16, 2016 at 8:05 AM, Josh Luthman  
wrote:

  Buy the much smaller one for a spare.  It'll limp along for <24 hours.




  Josh Luthman
  Office: 937-552-2340
  Direct: 937-552-2343
  1100 Wayne St
  Suite 1337
  Troy, OH 45373


  On Thu, Jun 16, 2016 at 10:04 AM, Jeremy  wrote:

I've been asking the same question on the WISPA list since last year.  
I think I'm going to have to bite the bullet and just buy one at full price.  
That's just a lot of cash for a backup spare.


On Thu, Jun 16, 2016 at 6:38 AM, Kayse Internet - Curt Cormier 
 wrote:

  Does anyone have a Powercode GX426 BMU they are looking to get rid of?







  Thanks,

  Curt

[AFMUG] OT: Today's date is...

[Jay Weekley]

06-16-16.  Get it?

Re: [AFMUG] Powercode GX426

[Jeremy]

Note to self:  Backup configs today.

On Thu, Jun 16, 2016 at 8:11 AM, Jeremy  wrote:

> Then if it fails I use that one and STILL have to buy another one and limp
> along until it gets here.  I only want to fix that problem once.
>
> On Thu, Jun 16, 2016 at 8:05 AM, Josh Luthman  > wrote:
>
>> Buy the much smaller one for a spare.  It'll limp along for <24 hours.
>>
>>
>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340
>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
>>
>> On Thu, Jun 16, 2016 at 10:04 AM, Jeremy  wrote:
>>
>>> I've been asking the same question on the WISPA list since last year.  I
>>> think I'm going to have to bite the bullet and just buy one at full price.
>>> That's just a lot of cash for a backup spare.
>>>
>>> On Thu, Jun 16, 2016 at 6:38 AM, Kayse Internet - Curt Cormier <
>>> li...@kaysebroadband.com> wrote:
>>>
 Does anyone have a Powercode GX426 BMU they are looking to get rid of?







 Thanks,

 Curt

>>>
>>>
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Powercode GX426

[Jeremy]

Then if it fails I use that one and STILL have to buy another one and limp
along until it gets here.  I only want to fix that problem once.

On Thu, Jun 16, 2016 at 8:05 AM, Josh Luthman 
wrote:

> Buy the much smaller one for a spare.  It'll limp along for <24 hours.
>
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
> On Thu, Jun 16, 2016 at 10:04 AM, Jeremy  wrote:
>
>> I've been asking the same question on the WISPA list since last year.  I
>> think I'm going to have to bite the bullet and just buy one at full price.
>> That's just a lot of cash for a backup spare.
>>
>> On Thu, Jun 16, 2016 at 6:38 AM, Kayse Internet - Curt Cormier <
>> li...@kaysebroadband.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Does anyone have a Powercode GX426 BMU they are looking to get rid of?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>>
>>> Curt
>>>
>>
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Powercode GX426

[CBB - Jay Fuller]

We had the lovely feeling of a BMU resetting to factory defaults last night 
during a storm.  No power outage at the NOC that I'm aware of - maybe  a blip.

I was able to restore from a backup configuration in powercode - only to 
discover the last four months of changes weren't in it.

Yay.


  - Original Message - 
  From: Josh Luthman 
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Sent: Thursday, June 16, 2016 9:05 AM
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Powercode GX426


  Buy the much smaller one for a spare.  It'll limp along for <24 hours.




  Josh Luthman
  Office: 937-552-2340
  Direct: 937-552-2343
  1100 Wayne St
  Suite 1337
  Troy, OH 45373


  On Thu, Jun 16, 2016 at 10:04 AM, Jeremy  wrote:

I've been asking the same question on the WISPA list since last year.  I 
think I'm going to have to bite the bullet and just buy one at full price.  
That's just a lot of cash for a backup spare.


On Thu, Jun 16, 2016 at 6:38 AM, Kayse Internet - Curt Cormier 
 wrote:

  Does anyone have a Powercode GX426 BMU they are looking to get rid of?







  Thanks,

  Curt

Re: [AFMUG] Powercode GX426

[Josh Luthman]

Buy the much smaller one for a spare.  It'll limp along for <24 hours.


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Thu, Jun 16, 2016 at 10:04 AM, Jeremy  wrote:

> I've been asking the same question on the WISPA list since last year.  I
> think I'm going to have to bite the bullet and just buy one at full price.
> That's just a lot of cash for a backup spare.
>
> On Thu, Jun 16, 2016 at 6:38 AM, Kayse Internet - Curt Cormier <
> li...@kaysebroadband.com> wrote:
>
>> Does anyone have a Powercode GX426 BMU they are looking to get rid of?
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Curt
>>
>
>