Re: [AFMUG] attn: mhoppes + netonix + flow control

[CBB - Jay Fuller]

1)  I may be eating my words as i read more.   then again, there may have been 
an issue with the backhaul and "port flapping" too.  still more questions than 
answers.  and...

2)  i'm learning mimosa and flow control might not go together?  like, it is 
assumed on a certain forum that mimoas's flow control does nothing... ?

stay tuned (or don't) for more developments.i don't care

reference:   https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q-RLqLx1iYI


  - Original Message - 
  From: Kurt Fankhauser 
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Sent: Tuesday, December 6, 2016 10:03 AM
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] attn: mhoppes + netonix + flow control


  when is that "issue" going to be addressed by Ubiquiti? I have alot of 
Airfiber links up but I havn't turned on the Flow Control setting on any of 
them yet.


  On Tue, Dec 6, 2016 at 8:22 AM, Faisal Imtiaz  
wrote:

See enclosed...



And keep in mind that there is an 'issue' with UBNT Airfibers causing pause 
frame storms...



Regards.



Faisal Imtiaz
Snappy Internet & Telecom
7266 SW 48 Street
Miami, FL 33155
Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232

Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net





  From: "Josh Baird" 
  To: af@afmug.com
  Sent: Tuesday, December 6, 2016 7:43:15 AM
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] attn: mhoppes + netonix + flow control

  Which counters are you specifically talking about, Faisal?


  On Mon, Dec 5, 2016 at 8:44 PM, Faisal Imtiaz  
wrote:

Mama says... "Flow Control is the Devil "  !!


in all seriousness, Flow Control is a powerful setting, which can hurt 
or solve issues, depending on a lot of what if's.


With the netonix, they way to see if you need flow control or if it is 
on is to do BW tests on the link (i.e. force a large amount of traffic across) 
and look at the Port stats (counters)
you will be able to see if you need it and or what is the effect of it, 
being on or off


:)


Regards.


Faisal Imtiaz
Snappy Internet & Telecom
7266 SW 48 Street
Miami, FL 33155
Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232

Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net




  From: "CBB - Jay Fuller" 
  To: af@afmug.com
  Sent: Monday, December 5, 2016 6:02:02 PM
  Subject: [AFMUG] attn: mhoppes + netonix + flow control


  Upgraded firmware, this was certainly hurting our system.  Speed 
complaints galmore.
  Upon further investiation we discovered flow control was turned on 
automatically on a netonix upgrade.
  Researched our backhauls, ran speed tests between mikrotiks, etc, 
etc, things were certainly slower.
  Enabled flow control on the mimosa backhauls we have ; no effect.

  Rolled it all back over the weekend (but forgot where i'd read in the 
forum netonix enabled flow control at some point)
  found it tonight and immediately speeds are up by 33%  (we were doing 
90-100 meg, now doing 120-120, at peak
  times should be doing 200+)

  just sharing...

  ALSO - noticed on the mimoas although we had flow control enabled, 
the switch apparently never saw it.  It has an icon
  for flow control and the EPMP radios we have showed it was enabled 
but although it was enabled on the mimoas the
  netonix never showed the flow control icon by the mimoas radios

Re: [AFMUG] OT Movies

[CBB - Jay Fuller]

me too

  - Original Message - 
  From: Lewis Bergman 
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Sent: Friday, December 2, 2016 2:54 PM
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Movies


  Yes


  On Fri, Dec 2, 2016 at 2:34 PM Bill Prince  wrote:

No, but I think I want to see The Passengers




bp


On 12/2/2016 12:30 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:

  Anyone seen Arrival?

Re: [AFMUG] OT Movies

[CBB - Jay Fuller]

yes. :)

  - Original Message - 
  From: ch...@wbmfg.com 
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Sent: Friday, December 2, 2016 2:30 PM
  Subject: [AFMUG] OT Movies


  Anyone seen Arrival?

Re: [AFMUG] Wiring porn

[Trey Scarborough]

Most issues have been to poor speed issues do to a crap switch chipset. 
I doubt that you are going to run into that in an install like this.


On 12/6/2016 7:39 PM, Jaime Solorza wrote:

We use industrial switches allot from various vendors but we use TS-5
for Ubiquiti radios... honestly few problems

On Dec 6, 2016 6:04 PM, "Mike Hammett" > wrote:

The one inside my house powering cameras that are only inside my
house...  crapped out.

They're universally known as being junk.



-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions 


Midwest Internet Exchange 


The Brothers WISP 





*From: *"Jaime Solorza" >
*To: *"Animal Farm" >
*Sent: *Tuesday, December 6, 2016 7:03:19 PM
*Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Wiring porn

We have no issues with quite a few installations.   We have very few
lightning strike issueswe have very few RF issuesmaybe we
are doing something right.

On Dec 6, 2016 5:58 PM, "Mike Hammett" > wrote:

Correct, why Tough Switch? Put politely, they're not very good.



-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions 


Midwest Internet Exchange 


The Brothers WISP 





*From: *"Jaime Solorza" >
*To: *"Animal Farm" >
*Sent: *Tuesday, December 6, 2016 6:54:28 PM
*Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Wiring porn

Y what? Tough switch... Ubiquiti 5Ghz radios and cameras..

On Dec 6, 2016 5:35 PM, "Mike Hammett" > wrote:

Why?



-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions 


Midwest Internet Exchange 


The Brothers WISP 






*From: *"Jaime Solorza" >
*To: *"Animal Farm" >
*Sent: *Tuesday, December 6, 2016 5:46:58 PM
*Subject: *[AFMUG] Wiring porn

One of two wired testing and then ready for
install...space under PLC will be for a shelf to secure
Tough Switch...

Re: [AFMUG] Wiring porn

[Jaime Solorza]

Ha.  You crack me up... We don't use the brick that comes with TS5...we
connect to Industrial power supply which has protection and conditioning
plus isolated grounds...hard to tell but some of those din rails are
elevated and isolated from back plane...the blue cabling is standard on
SCADA systems ...this is a simple panel

On Dec 6, 2016 7:36 PM, "That One Guy /sarcasm" 
wrote:

> we've never had issues with them either, not putting out any more though
> based on negative feedback though. That is sexy though Jaime, I might want
> to date it
>
>
> On Tue, Dec 6, 2016 at 7:39 PM, Jaime Solorza 
> wrote:
>
>> We use industrial switches allot from various vendors but we use TS-5 for
>> Ubiquiti radios... honestly few problems
>>
>> On Dec 6, 2016 6:04 PM, "Mike Hammett"  wrote:
>>
>>> The one inside my house powering cameras that are only inside my
>>> house...  crapped out.
>>>
>>> They're universally known as being junk.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -
>>> Mike Hammett
>>> Intelligent Computing Solutions 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Midwest Internet Exchange 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> The Brothers WISP 
>>> 
>>>
>>>
>>> 
>>> --
>>> *From: *"Jaime Solorza" 
>>> *To: *"Animal Farm" 
>>> *Sent: *Tuesday, December 6, 2016 7:03:19 PM
>>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Wiring porn
>>>
>>> We have no issues with quite a few installations.   We have very few
>>> lightning strike issueswe have very few RF issuesmaybe we are doing
>>> something right.
>>>
>>> On Dec 6, 2016 5:58 PM, "Mike Hammett"  wrote:
>>>
 Correct, why Tough Switch? Put politely, they're not very good.



 -
 Mike Hammett
 Intelligent Computing Solutions 
 
 
 
 
 Midwest Internet Exchange 
 
 
 
 The Brothers WISP 
 


 
 --
 *From: *"Jaime Solorza" 
 *To: *"Animal Farm" 
 *Sent: *Tuesday, December 6, 2016 6:54:28 PM
 *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Wiring porn

 Y what? Tough switch... Ubiquiti 5Ghz radios and cameras..

 On Dec 6, 2016 5:35 PM, "Mike Hammett"  wrote:

> Why?
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Midwest Internet Exchange 
> 
> 
> 
> The Brothers WISP 
> 
>
>
> 
> --
> *From: *"Jaime Solorza" 
> *To: *"Animal Farm" 
> *Sent: *Tuesday, December 6, 2016 5:46:58 PM
> *Subject: *[AFMUG] Wiring porn
>
> One of two wired testing and then ready for install...space under
> PLC will be for a shelf to secure Tough Switch...
>
>

>>>
>
>
> --
> If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team
> as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
>

Re: [AFMUG] Cloud.xclaimwireless.com down?

[Nate Burke]

What kind of crazy world would have the same license cover Toast and 
English Muffins and Bagels.  Those are all additional licenses.


On 12/6/2016 4:56 PM, Darren Shea wrote:

Of course! How else will the TBPAA (Toasted Bread Products Association of
America) know you aren't exceeding your toasting plan's monthly license for
Toast/English Muffins/Bagels?

-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Ken Hohhof
Sent: Tuesday, December 06, 2016 4:30 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cloud.xclaimwireless.com down?

I had to look up what that is.  Ruckus?  So you're saying if they can't talk
to the cloud, rather than carrying on in their last  state, they fall over
on the floor dead until the cloud comes back?  That seems ungood.  Are we
headed to a future where our toasters can't make toast and our light bulbs
don't light if the cloud goes down?

-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Nate Burke
Sent: Tuesday, December 6, 2016 10:06 AM
To: Animal Farm 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cloud.xclaimwireless.com down?

I Found a post on their forum that they're having issues this morning, and
All Ap's are blinking red.

This is why I both Love and Hate 'The Cloud'

I love it that it's someone else's problem to figure out and Fix.
I hate that I can't fix it and just have to sit here until someone else
does.

On 12/6/2016 9:32 AM, Nate Burke wrote:

I can login but then just have a spinning circle and won't load any AP
data.  Tried multiple browsers with the same issue.

Of Course, this morning is when a customer is calling about an AP
that's not working.

Re: [AFMUG] Wiring porn

[That One Guy /sarcasm]

we've never had issues with them either, not putting out any more though
based on negative feedback though. That is sexy though Jaime, I might want
to date it


On Tue, Dec 6, 2016 at 7:39 PM, Jaime Solorza 
wrote:

> We use industrial switches allot from various vendors but we use TS-5 for
> Ubiquiti radios... honestly few problems
>
> On Dec 6, 2016 6:04 PM, "Mike Hammett"  wrote:
>
>> The one inside my house powering cameras that are only inside my
>> house...  crapped out.
>>
>> They're universally known as being junk.
>>
>>
>>
>> -
>> Mike Hammett
>> Intelligent Computing Solutions 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Midwest Internet Exchange 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> The Brothers WISP 
>> 
>>
>>
>> 
>> --
>> *From: *"Jaime Solorza" 
>> *To: *"Animal Farm" 
>> *Sent: *Tuesday, December 6, 2016 7:03:19 PM
>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Wiring porn
>>
>> We have no issues with quite a few installations.   We have very few
>> lightning strike issueswe have very few RF issuesmaybe we are doing
>> something right.
>>
>> On Dec 6, 2016 5:58 PM, "Mike Hammett"  wrote:
>>
>>> Correct, why Tough Switch? Put politely, they're not very good.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -
>>> Mike Hammett
>>> Intelligent Computing Solutions 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Midwest Internet Exchange 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> The Brothers WISP 
>>> 
>>>
>>>
>>> 
>>> --
>>> *From: *"Jaime Solorza" 
>>> *To: *"Animal Farm" 
>>> *Sent: *Tuesday, December 6, 2016 6:54:28 PM
>>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Wiring porn
>>>
>>> Y what? Tough switch... Ubiquiti 5Ghz radios and cameras..
>>>
>>> On Dec 6, 2016 5:35 PM, "Mike Hammett"  wrote:
>>>
 Why?



 -
 Mike Hammett
 Intelligent Computing Solutions 
 
 
 
 
 Midwest Internet Exchange 
 
 
 
 The Brothers WISP 
 


 
 --
 *From: *"Jaime Solorza" 
 *To: *"Animal Farm" 
 *Sent: *Tuesday, December 6, 2016 5:46:58 PM
 *Subject: *[AFMUG] Wiring porn

 One of two wired testing and then ready for install...space under
 PLC will be for a shelf to secure Tough Switch...


>>>
>>


-- 
If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] WTB IP-20C POE

[Bill Prince]

MM... That's a SPICY meatball!


bp


On 12/6/2016 5:03 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:

Cambium P/N N82L022A which I think is the fancier one has a $750 MSRP per 
each.

Re: [AFMUG] Wiring porn

[Jaime Solorza]

We use industrial switches allot from various vendors but we use TS-5 for
Ubiquiti radios... honestly few problems

On Dec 6, 2016 6:04 PM, "Mike Hammett"  wrote:

> The one inside my house powering cameras that are only inside my house...
> crapped out.
>
> They're universally known as being junk.
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Midwest Internet Exchange 
> 
> 
> 
> The Brothers WISP 
> 
>
>
> 
> --
> *From: *"Jaime Solorza" 
> *To: *"Animal Farm" 
> *Sent: *Tuesday, December 6, 2016 7:03:19 PM
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Wiring porn
>
> We have no issues with quite a few installations.   We have very few
> lightning strike issueswe have very few RF issuesmaybe we are doing
> something right.
>
> On Dec 6, 2016 5:58 PM, "Mike Hammett"  wrote:
>
>> Correct, why Tough Switch? Put politely, they're not very good.
>>
>>
>>
>> -
>> Mike Hammett
>> Intelligent Computing Solutions 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Midwest Internet Exchange 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> The Brothers WISP 
>> 
>>
>>
>> 
>> --
>> *From: *"Jaime Solorza" 
>> *To: *"Animal Farm" 
>> *Sent: *Tuesday, December 6, 2016 6:54:28 PM
>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Wiring porn
>>
>> Y what? Tough switch... Ubiquiti 5Ghz radios and cameras..
>>
>> On Dec 6, 2016 5:35 PM, "Mike Hammett"  wrote:
>>
>>> Why?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -
>>> Mike Hammett
>>> Intelligent Computing Solutions 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Midwest Internet Exchange 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> The Brothers WISP 
>>> 
>>>
>>>
>>> 
>>> --
>>> *From: *"Jaime Solorza" 
>>> *To: *"Animal Farm" 
>>> *Sent: *Tuesday, December 6, 2016 5:46:58 PM
>>> *Subject: *[AFMUG] Wiring porn
>>>
>>> One of two wired testing and then ready for install...space under
>>> PLC will be for a shelf to secure Tough Switch...
>>>
>>>
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] WTB IP-20C POE

[George Skorup]

If it works from a Netonix switch, which we all know is +48VDC, then the 
radio isn't tying power return to chassis ground. aka floating, just 
like a SAF Lumina. But I do remember hearing that the DC input block on 
the IP20/820 ODU itself is chassis bonded. Isn't the 820 802.3at 
compliant? Most of that stuff is going to be floating or negative bonded.


I'm powering about half of our Trango ApexPlus radios using 
GIGE-POE-APCs using +48VDC supplies, and/or RSD200C-48's in mixed 
setups. The Trango's definitely chassis bond return on *all* of the 
power inputs (mgmt, data and DC block). AFAIK, Trango is using the exact 
same Pulse transformer in their POE-GIGE-48 injector boxes. It simply 
comes down to not mixing "-48" and "+48" devices on the same supply if 
anything is chassis bonded.


On 12/6/2016 6:13 PM, Faisal Imtiaz wrote:

Hi Chuck...

This may be an opportunity to clarify something...

According to the specs Ceragon IP-20c is a -48vdc radio.
Their POE box/adapter, takes 48v dc or 24v dc and powers the radio.

There has not been any clear answer if their Radios will run on regular 48vdc 
directly ...
There have been folks who have 'tested' the cambium 820 version of these 
plugging directly on the Netonix switches.

In my opinion, these are not 'in-expensive' radios that I would risk installing 
in-correctly.

In recommending your injector / surge protector as a solution, my question 
would be.

1) can we do -48v dc power via these devices ? it is just a matter of making 
sure the polarity of the dc cable is correct ? or is there more to it.


Regards

Faisal Imtiaz


- Original Message -

From: "Chuck McCown" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Tuesday, December 6, 2016 6:08:49 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] WTB IP-20C POE
I am hurt...

http://www.mccowntech.com/800-gige-poe-outdoor-midspan-poe-injector-ethernet-surge-protector/
http://www.mccowntech.com/800-gige-poe-apc-rack-mount-surge-protector-power-inserter/

Sheesh!

-Original Message-
From: Faisal Imtiaz
Sent: Tuesday, December 06, 2016 3:55 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] WTB IP-20C POE

Some suggestions:-

for the POE injector...
  you can try a Cambium Reseller.
  you can possibly by them on Ebay (shipping from Israel)
  you can try  Surplus Wireless Gear folks too.

In regards to the Power Supply, that is a straight forward 48v DC power
supply (Brick).

Regards


Faisal Imtiaz
Snappy Internet & Telecom
7266 SW 48 Street
Miami, FL 33155
Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232

Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net

- Original Message -

From: "Sterling Jacobson" 
To: "af@afmug.com" 
Sent: Tuesday, December 6, 2016 5:45:19 PM
Subject: [AFMUG] WTB IP-20C POE
Somehow I misplaced my Ceragon POE injector and power supplies during a
cabinet
move.

Anyone happen to have a Ceragon IP-20C compatible POE unit they could sell
me?

I think the power supplies probably aren't that hard to find, but the POE
apparently is.

Re: [AFMUG] Wiring porn

[Mike Hammett]

The one inside my house powering cameras that are only inside my house... 
crapped out. 

They're universally known as being junk. 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 




- Original Message -

From: "Jaime Solorza"  
To: "Animal Farm"  
Sent: Tuesday, December 6, 2016 7:03:19 PM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Wiring porn 


We have no issues with quite a few installations. We have very few lightning 
strike issueswe have very few RF issuesmaybe we are doing something 
right. 


On Dec 6, 2016 5:58 PM, "Mike Hammett" < af...@ics-il.net > wrote: 




Correct, why Tough Switch? Put politely, they're not very good. 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 






From: "Jaime Solorza" < losguyswirel...@gmail.com > 
To: "Animal Farm" < af@afmug.com > 
Sent: Tuesday, December 6, 2016 6:54:28 PM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Wiring porn 


Y what? Tough switch... Ubiquiti 5Ghz radios and cameras.. 


On Dec 6, 2016 5:35 PM, "Mike Hammett" < af...@ics-il.net > wrote: 




Why? 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 






From: "Jaime Solorza" < losguyswirel...@gmail.com > 
To: "Animal Farm" < af@afmug.com > 
Sent: Tuesday, December 6, 2016 5:46:58 PM 
Subject: [AFMUG] Wiring porn 


One of two wired testing and then ready for install...space under PLC will 
be for a shelf to secure Tough Switch... 

Re: [AFMUG] WTB IP-20C POE

[Ken Hohhof]

Cambium P/N N82L022A which I think is the fancier one has a $750 MSRP per 
each.

-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Faisal Imtiaz
Sent: Tuesday, December 6, 2016 6:41 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] WTB IP-20C POE

yes, there are two models of them... 

In-case inquiring minds want to know, here is the quick start guide...

Faisal Imtiaz
Snappy Internet & Telecom
7266 SW 48 Street
Miami, FL 33155
Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232

Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net

- Original Message -
> From: "Jon Langeler" 
> To: af@afmug.com
> Sent: Tuesday, December 6, 2016 7:34:06 PM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] WTB IP-20C POE

> Only some of the outdoor injectors have redundant I believe
> 
> Jon Langeler
> Michwave Technologies, Inc.
> 
> 
>> On Dec 6, 2016, at 7:32 PM, Ken Hohhof  wrote:
>> 
>> I'm feeding one with +24V.  I believe they have a DC-DC converter inside.
>> They also take redundant power, right?
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jon Langeler
>> Sent: Tuesday, December 6, 2016 6:27 PM
>> To: af@afmug.com
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] WTB IP-20C POE
>> 
>> I've been using regular 48v power supplies with the outdoor PoE 
>> injectors for years and no issue yet.
>> 
>> Jon Langeler
>> Michwave Technologies, Inc.
>> 
>> 
 On Dec 6, 2016, at 7:13 PM, Faisal Imtiaz 
 
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi Chuck...
>>> 
>>> This may be an opportunity to clarify something...
>>> 
>>> According to the specs Ceragon IP-20c is a -48vdc radio.
>>> Their POE box/adapter, takes 48v dc or 24v dc and powers the radio.
>>> 
>>> There has not been any clear answer if their Radios will run on 
>>> regular
>> 48vdc directly ...
>>> There have been folks who have 'tested' the cambium 820 version of 
>>> these
>> plugging directly on the Netonix switches.
>>> 
>>> In my opinion, these are not 'in-expensive' radios that I would risk
>> installing in-correctly.
>>> 
>>> In recommending your injector / surge protector as a solution, my 
>>> question
>> would be.
>>> 
>>> 1) can we do -48v dc power via these devices ? it is just a matter 
>>> of
>> making sure the polarity of the dc cable is correct ? or is there 
>> more to it.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Regards
>>> 
>>> Faisal Imtiaz
>>> 
>>> 
>>> - Original Message -
 From: "Chuck McCown" 
 To: af@afmug.com
 Sent: Tuesday, December 6, 2016 6:08:49 PM
 Subject: Re: [AFMUG] WTB IP-20C POE
>>> 
 I am hurt...
 
 http://www.mccowntech.com/800-gige-poe-outdoor-midspan-poe-injector
 -e
 thernet-surge-protector/
 http://www.mccowntech.com/800-gige-poe-apc-rack-mount-surge-protect
 or
 -power-inserter/
 
 Sheesh!
 
 -Original Message-
 From: Faisal Imtiaz
 Sent: Tuesday, December 06, 2016 3:55 PM
 To: af@afmug.com
 Subject: Re: [AFMUG] WTB IP-20C POE
 
 Some suggestions:-
 
 for the POE injector...
you can try a Cambium Reseller.
you can possibly by them on Ebay (shipping from Israel)
you can try  Surplus Wireless Gear folks too.
 
 In regards to the Power Supply, that is a straight forward 48v DC 
 power supply (Brick).
 
 Regards
 
 
 Faisal Imtiaz
 Snappy Internet & Telecom
 7266 SW 48 Street
 Miami, FL 33155
 Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232
 
 Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: 
 supp...@snappytelecom.net
 
 - Original Message -
> From: "Sterling Jacobson" 
> To: "af@afmug.com" 
> Sent: Tuesday, December 6, 2016 5:45:19 PM
> Subject: [AFMUG] WTB IP-20C POE
 
> Somehow I misplaced my Ceragon POE injector and power supplies 
> during a cabinet move.
> 
> Anyone happen to have a Ceragon IP-20C compatible POE unit they 
> could sell me?
> 
> I think the power supplies probably aren't that hard to find, but 
> the POE apparently is.
>> 

Re: [AFMUG] Wiring porn

[Jaime Solorza]

We have no issues with quite a few installations.   We have very few
lightning strike issueswe have very few RF issuesmaybe we are doing
something right.

On Dec 6, 2016 5:58 PM, "Mike Hammett"  wrote:

> Correct, why Tough Switch? Put politely, they're not very good.
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Midwest Internet Exchange 
> 
> 
> 
> The Brothers WISP 
> 
>
>
> 
> --
> *From: *"Jaime Solorza" 
> *To: *"Animal Farm" 
> *Sent: *Tuesday, December 6, 2016 6:54:28 PM
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Wiring porn
>
> Y what? Tough switch... Ubiquiti 5Ghz radios and cameras..
>
> On Dec 6, 2016 5:35 PM, "Mike Hammett"  wrote:
>
>> Why?
>>
>>
>>
>> -
>> Mike Hammett
>> Intelligent Computing Solutions 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Midwest Internet Exchange 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> The Brothers WISP 
>> 
>>
>>
>> 
>> --
>> *From: *"Jaime Solorza" 
>> *To: *"Animal Farm" 
>> *Sent: *Tuesday, December 6, 2016 5:46:58 PM
>> *Subject: *[AFMUG] Wiring porn
>>
>> One of two wired testing and then ready for install...space under PLC
>> will be for a shelf to secure Tough Switch...
>>
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Wiring porn

[Seth Mattinen]

On 12/6/16 16:57, Mike Hammett wrote:

Correct, why Tough Switch? Put politely, they're not very good.



I realize industrial Ethernet switches can be  but I'd go with a 
Netonix over a "tough" switch.


~Seth

Re: [AFMUG] Wiring porn

[Ken Hohhof]

Maze for wires.

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett
Sent: Tuesday, December 6, 2016 6:35 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Wiring porn

 

Why?



-
Mike Hammett
  Intelligent Computing Solutions
   
  
  
 
  Midwest Internet Exchange
   
  
 
  The Brothers WISP
   
 




  _  

From: "Jaime Solorza"  >
To: "Animal Farm"  >
Sent: Tuesday, December 6, 2016 5:46:58 PM
Subject: [AFMUG] Wiring porn

One of two wired testing and then ready for install...space under PLC will 
be for a shelf to secure Tough Switch...

 

Re: [AFMUG] Wiring porn

[Mike Hammett]

Correct, why Tough Switch? Put politely, they're not very good. 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 




- Original Message -

From: "Jaime Solorza"  
To: "Animal Farm"  
Sent: Tuesday, December 6, 2016 6:54:28 PM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Wiring porn 


Y what? Tough switch... Ubiquiti 5Ghz radios and cameras.. 


On Dec 6, 2016 5:35 PM, "Mike Hammett" < af...@ics-il.net > wrote: 




Why? 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 






From: "Jaime Solorza" < losguyswirel...@gmail.com > 
To: "Animal Farm" < af@afmug.com > 
Sent: Tuesday, December 6, 2016 5:46:58 PM 
Subject: [AFMUG] Wiring porn 


One of two wired testing and then ready for install...space under PLC will 
be for a shelf to secure Tough Switch... 

Re: [AFMUG] Wiring porn

[Jaime Solorza]

Y what? Tough switch... Ubiquiti 5Ghz radios and cameras..

On Dec 6, 2016 5:35 PM, "Mike Hammett"  wrote:

> Why?
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Midwest Internet Exchange 
> 
> 
> 
> The Brothers WISP 
> 
>
>
> 
> --
> *From: *"Jaime Solorza" 
> *To: *"Animal Farm" 
> *Sent: *Tuesday, December 6, 2016 5:46:58 PM
> *Subject: *[AFMUG] Wiring porn
>
> One of two wired testing and then ready for install...space under PLC
> will be for a shelf to secure Tough Switch...
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Cloud.xclaimwireless.com down?

[Seth Mattinen]

On 12/6/16 14:29, Ken Hohhof wrote:

Are we
headed to a future where our toasters can't make toast and our light bulbs
don't light if the cloud goes down?



That's the dream. No more used stuff. You need a license to run that 
toaster.


~Seth

Re: [AFMUG] WTB IP-20C POE

[Faisal Imtiaz]

The official presentation from Ceragon in regards to the indoor/outdoor POE 
injector they have is that it is a DC-DC converter, accepting +/- 48v or +/- 
24v and supplying -48v to the radio.

Regards.

Faisal Imtiaz
Snappy Internet & Telecom
7266 SW 48 Street
Miami, FL 33155
Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232

Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net

- Original Message -
> From: "Jon Langeler" 
> To: af@afmug.com
> Sent: Tuesday, December 6, 2016 7:34:06 PM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] WTB IP-20C POE

> Only some of the outdoor injectors have redundant I believe
> 
> Jon Langeler
> Michwave Technologies, Inc.
> 
> 
>> On Dec 6, 2016, at 7:32 PM, Ken Hohhof  wrote:
>> 
>> I'm feeding one with +24V.  I believe they have a DC-DC converter inside.
>> They also take redundant power, right?
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jon Langeler
>> Sent: Tuesday, December 6, 2016 6:27 PM
>> To: af@afmug.com
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] WTB IP-20C POE
>> 
>> I've been using regular 48v power supplies with the outdoor PoE injectors
>> for years and no issue yet.
>> 
>> Jon Langeler
>> Michwave Technologies, Inc.
>> 
>> 
 On Dec 6, 2016, at 7:13 PM, Faisal Imtiaz 
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi Chuck...
>>> 
>>> This may be an opportunity to clarify something...
>>> 
>>> According to the specs Ceragon IP-20c is a -48vdc radio.
>>> Their POE box/adapter, takes 48v dc or 24v dc and powers the radio.
>>> 
>>> There has not been any clear answer if their Radios will run on regular
>> 48vdc directly ...
>>> There have been folks who have 'tested' the cambium 820 version of these
>> plugging directly on the Netonix switches.
>>> 
>>> In my opinion, these are not 'in-expensive' radios that I would risk
>> installing in-correctly.
>>> 
>>> In recommending your injector / surge protector as a solution, my question
>> would be.
>>> 
>>> 1) can we do -48v dc power via these devices ? it is just a matter of
>> making sure the polarity of the dc cable is correct ? or is there more to
>> it.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Regards
>>> 
>>> Faisal Imtiaz
>>> 
>>> 
>>> - Original Message -
 From: "Chuck McCown" 
 To: af@afmug.com
 Sent: Tuesday, December 6, 2016 6:08:49 PM
 Subject: Re: [AFMUG] WTB IP-20C POE
>>> 
 I am hurt...
 
 http://www.mccowntech.com/800-gige-poe-outdoor-midspan-poe-injector-e
 thernet-surge-protector/
 http://www.mccowntech.com/800-gige-poe-apc-rack-mount-surge-protector
 -power-inserter/
 
 Sheesh!
 
 -Original Message-
 From: Faisal Imtiaz
 Sent: Tuesday, December 06, 2016 3:55 PM
 To: af@afmug.com
 Subject: Re: [AFMUG] WTB IP-20C POE
 
 Some suggestions:-
 
 for the POE injector...
you can try a Cambium Reseller.
you can possibly by them on Ebay (shipping from Israel)
you can try  Surplus Wireless Gear folks too.
 
 In regards to the Power Supply, that is a straight forward 48v DC
 power supply (Brick).
 
 Regards
 
 
 Faisal Imtiaz
 Snappy Internet & Telecom
 7266 SW 48 Street
 Miami, FL 33155
 Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232
 
 Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net
 
 - Original Message -
> From: "Sterling Jacobson" 
> To: "af@afmug.com" 
> Sent: Tuesday, December 6, 2016 5:45:19 PM
> Subject: [AFMUG] WTB IP-20C POE
 
> Somehow I misplaced my Ceragon POE injector and power supplies
> during a cabinet move.
> 
> Anyone happen to have a Ceragon IP-20C compatible POE unit they
> could sell me?
> 
> I think the power supplies probably aren't that hard to find, but
> the POE apparently is.
>> 

Re: [AFMUG] Cloud.xclaimwireless.com down?

[Josh Reynolds]

You didn't know who xclaim was? :P

On Dec 6, 2016 4:29 PM, "Ken Hohhof"  wrote:

> I had to look up what that is.  Ruckus?  So you're saying if they can't
> talk
> to the cloud, rather than carrying on in their last  state, they fall over
> on the floor dead until the cloud comes back?  That seems ungood.  Are we
> headed to a future where our toasters can't make toast and our light bulbs
> don't light if the cloud goes down?
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Nate Burke
> Sent: Tuesday, December 6, 2016 10:06 AM
> To: Animal Farm 
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cloud.xclaimwireless.com down?
>
> I Found a post on their forum that they're having issues this morning, and
> All Ap's are blinking red.
>
> This is why I both Love and Hate 'The Cloud'
>
> I love it that it's someone else's problem to figure out and Fix.
> I hate that I can't fix it and just have to sit here until someone else
> does.
>
> On 12/6/2016 9:32 AM, Nate Burke wrote:
> > I can login but then just have a spinning circle and won't load any AP
> > data.  Tried multiple browsers with the same issue.
> >
> > Of Course, this morning is when a customer is calling about an AP
> > that's not working.
>
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Wiring porn

[Mike Hammett]

Why? 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 




- Original Message -

From: "Jaime Solorza"  
To: "Animal Farm"  
Sent: Tuesday, December 6, 2016 5:46:58 PM 
Subject: [AFMUG] Wiring porn 


One of two wired testing and then ready for install...space under PLC will 
be for a shelf to secure Tough Switch... 

Re: [AFMUG] WTB IP-20C POE

[Jon Langeler]

Only some of the outdoor injectors have redundant I believe 

Jon Langeler
Michwave Technologies, Inc.


> On Dec 6, 2016, at 7:32 PM, Ken Hohhof  wrote:
> 
> I'm feeding one with +24V.  I believe they have a DC-DC converter inside.
> They also take redundant power, right?
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jon Langeler
> Sent: Tuesday, December 6, 2016 6:27 PM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] WTB IP-20C POE
> 
> I've been using regular 48v power supplies with the outdoor PoE injectors
> for years and no issue yet.
> 
> Jon Langeler
> Michwave Technologies, Inc.
> 
> 
>>> On Dec 6, 2016, at 7:13 PM, Faisal Imtiaz 
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Chuck...
>> 
>> This may be an opportunity to clarify something...
>> 
>> According to the specs Ceragon IP-20c is a -48vdc radio.
>> Their POE box/adapter, takes 48v dc or 24v dc and powers the radio.
>> 
>> There has not been any clear answer if their Radios will run on regular
> 48vdc directly ...
>> There have been folks who have 'tested' the cambium 820 version of these
> plugging directly on the Netonix switches.
>> 
>> In my opinion, these are not 'in-expensive' radios that I would risk
> installing in-correctly.
>> 
>> In recommending your injector / surge protector as a solution, my question
> would be.
>> 
>> 1) can we do -48v dc power via these devices ? it is just a matter of
> making sure the polarity of the dc cable is correct ? or is there more to
> it.
>> 
>> 
>> Regards
>> 
>> Faisal Imtiaz
>> 
>> 
>> - Original Message -
>>> From: "Chuck McCown" 
>>> To: af@afmug.com
>>> Sent: Tuesday, December 6, 2016 6:08:49 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] WTB IP-20C POE
>> 
>>> I am hurt...
>>> 
>>> http://www.mccowntech.com/800-gige-poe-outdoor-midspan-poe-injector-e
>>> thernet-surge-protector/ 
>>> http://www.mccowntech.com/800-gige-poe-apc-rack-mount-surge-protector
>>> -power-inserter/
>>> 
>>> Sheesh!
>>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: Faisal Imtiaz
>>> Sent: Tuesday, December 06, 2016 3:55 PM
>>> To: af@afmug.com
>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] WTB IP-20C POE
>>> 
>>> Some suggestions:-
>>> 
>>> for the POE injector...
>>>you can try a Cambium Reseller.
>>>you can possibly by them on Ebay (shipping from Israel)
>>>you can try  Surplus Wireless Gear folks too.
>>> 
>>> In regards to the Power Supply, that is a straight forward 48v DC 
>>> power supply (Brick).
>>> 
>>> Regards
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Faisal Imtiaz
>>> Snappy Internet & Telecom
>>> 7266 SW 48 Street
>>> Miami, FL 33155
>>> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232
>>> 
>>> Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net
>>> 
>>> - Original Message -
 From: "Sterling Jacobson" 
 To: "af@afmug.com" 
 Sent: Tuesday, December 6, 2016 5:45:19 PM
 Subject: [AFMUG] WTB IP-20C POE
>>> 
 Somehow I misplaced my Ceragon POE injector and power supplies 
 during a cabinet move.
 
 Anyone happen to have a Ceragon IP-20C compatible POE unit they 
 could sell me?
 
 I think the power supplies probably aren't that hard to find, but 
 the POE apparently is.
> 
> 

Re: [AFMUG] WTB IP-20C POE

[Ken Hohhof]

I'm feeding one with +24V.  I believe they have a DC-DC converter inside.
They also take redundant power, right?

-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jon Langeler
Sent: Tuesday, December 6, 2016 6:27 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] WTB IP-20C POE

I've been using regular 48v power supplies with the outdoor PoE injectors
for years and no issue yet.

Jon Langeler
Michwave Technologies, Inc.


> On Dec 6, 2016, at 7:13 PM, Faisal Imtiaz 
wrote:
> 
> Hi Chuck...
> 
> This may be an opportunity to clarify something...
> 
> According to the specs Ceragon IP-20c is a -48vdc radio.
> Their POE box/adapter, takes 48v dc or 24v dc and powers the radio.
> 
> There has not been any clear answer if their Radios will run on regular
48vdc directly ...
> There have been folks who have 'tested' the cambium 820 version of these
plugging directly on the Netonix switches.
> 
> In my opinion, these are not 'in-expensive' radios that I would risk
installing in-correctly.
> 
> In recommending your injector / surge protector as a solution, my question
would be.
> 
> 1) can we do -48v dc power via these devices ? it is just a matter of
making sure the polarity of the dc cable is correct ? or is there more to
it.
> 
> 
> Regards
> 
> Faisal Imtiaz
> 
> 
> - Original Message -
>> From: "Chuck McCown" 
>> To: af@afmug.com
>> Sent: Tuesday, December 6, 2016 6:08:49 PM
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] WTB IP-20C POE
> 
>> I am hurt...
>> 
>> http://www.mccowntech.com/800-gige-poe-outdoor-midspan-poe-injector-e
>> thernet-surge-protector/ 
>> http://www.mccowntech.com/800-gige-poe-apc-rack-mount-surge-protector
>> -power-inserter/
>> 
>> Sheesh!
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Faisal Imtiaz
>> Sent: Tuesday, December 06, 2016 3:55 PM
>> To: af@afmug.com
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] WTB IP-20C POE
>> 
>> Some suggestions:-
>> 
>> for the POE injector...
>> you can try a Cambium Reseller.
>> you can possibly by them on Ebay (shipping from Israel)
>> you can try  Surplus Wireless Gear folks too.
>> 
>> In regards to the Power Supply, that is a straight forward 48v DC 
>> power supply (Brick).
>> 
>> Regards
>> 
>> 
>> Faisal Imtiaz
>> Snappy Internet & Telecom
>> 7266 SW 48 Street
>> Miami, FL 33155
>> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232
>> 
>> Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net
>> 
>> - Original Message -
>>> From: "Sterling Jacobson" 
>>> To: "af@afmug.com" 
>>> Sent: Tuesday, December 6, 2016 5:45:19 PM
>>> Subject: [AFMUG] WTB IP-20C POE
>> 
>>> Somehow I misplaced my Ceragon POE injector and power supplies 
>>> during a cabinet move.
>>> 
>>> Anyone happen to have a Ceragon IP-20C compatible POE unit they 
>>> could sell me?
>>> 
>>> I think the power supplies probably aren't that hard to find, but 
>>> the POE apparently is.

Re: [AFMUG] WTB IP-20C POE

[Jon Langeler]

I've been using regular 48v power supplies with the outdoor PoE injectors for 
years and no issue yet.

Jon Langeler
Michwave Technologies, Inc.


> On Dec 6, 2016, at 7:13 PM, Faisal Imtiaz  wrote:
> 
> Hi Chuck...
> 
> This may be an opportunity to clarify something...
> 
> According to the specs Ceragon IP-20c is a -48vdc radio.
> Their POE box/adapter, takes 48v dc or 24v dc and powers the radio.
> 
> There has not been any clear answer if their Radios will run on regular 48vdc 
> directly ...
> There have been folks who have 'tested' the cambium 820 version of these 
> plugging directly on the Netonix switches.
> 
> In my opinion, these are not 'in-expensive' radios that I would risk 
> installing in-correctly.
> 
> In recommending your injector / surge protector as a solution, my question 
> would be.
> 
> 1) can we do -48v dc power via these devices ? it is just a matter of making 
> sure the polarity of the dc cable is correct ? or is there more to it.
> 
> 
> Regards
> 
> Faisal Imtiaz
> 
> 
> - Original Message -
>> From: "Chuck McCown" 
>> To: af@afmug.com
>> Sent: Tuesday, December 6, 2016 6:08:49 PM
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] WTB IP-20C POE
> 
>> I am hurt...
>> 
>> http://www.mccowntech.com/800-gige-poe-outdoor-midspan-poe-injector-ethernet-surge-protector/
>> http://www.mccowntech.com/800-gige-poe-apc-rack-mount-surge-protector-power-inserter/
>> 
>> Sheesh!
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Faisal Imtiaz
>> Sent: Tuesday, December 06, 2016 3:55 PM
>> To: af@afmug.com
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] WTB IP-20C POE
>> 
>> Some suggestions:-
>> 
>> for the POE injector...
>> you can try a Cambium Reseller.
>> you can possibly by them on Ebay (shipping from Israel)
>> you can try  Surplus Wireless Gear folks too.
>> 
>> In regards to the Power Supply, that is a straight forward 48v DC power
>> supply (Brick).
>> 
>> Regards
>> 
>> 
>> Faisal Imtiaz
>> Snappy Internet & Telecom
>> 7266 SW 48 Street
>> Miami, FL 33155
>> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232
>> 
>> Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net
>> 
>> - Original Message -
>>> From: "Sterling Jacobson" 
>>> To: "af@afmug.com" 
>>> Sent: Tuesday, December 6, 2016 5:45:19 PM
>>> Subject: [AFMUG] WTB IP-20C POE
>> 
>>> Somehow I misplaced my Ceragon POE injector and power supplies during a
>>> cabinet
>>> move.
>>> 
>>> Anyone happen to have a Ceragon IP-20C compatible POE unit they could sell
>>> me?
>>> 
>>> I think the power supplies probably aren't that hard to find, but the POE
>>> apparently is.

Re: [AFMUG] WTB IP-20C POE

[Faisal Imtiaz]

Hi Chuck...

This may be an opportunity to clarify something...

According to the specs Ceragon IP-20c is a -48vdc radio.
Their POE box/adapter, takes 48v dc or 24v dc and powers the radio.

There has not been any clear answer if their Radios will run on regular 48vdc 
directly ...
There have been folks who have 'tested' the cambium 820 version of these 
plugging directly on the Netonix switches.

In my opinion, these are not 'in-expensive' radios that I would risk installing 
in-correctly.

In recommending your injector / surge protector as a solution, my question 
would be.

1) can we do -48v dc power via these devices ? it is just a matter of making 
sure the polarity of the dc cable is correct ? or is there more to it.


Regards

Faisal Imtiaz


- Original Message -
> From: "Chuck McCown" 
> To: af@afmug.com
> Sent: Tuesday, December 6, 2016 6:08:49 PM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] WTB IP-20C POE

> I am hurt...
> 
> http://www.mccowntech.com/800-gige-poe-outdoor-midspan-poe-injector-ethernet-surge-protector/
> http://www.mccowntech.com/800-gige-poe-apc-rack-mount-surge-protector-power-inserter/
> 
> Sheesh!
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Faisal Imtiaz
> Sent: Tuesday, December 06, 2016 3:55 PM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] WTB IP-20C POE
> 
> Some suggestions:-
> 
> for the POE injector...
>  you can try a Cambium Reseller.
>  you can possibly by them on Ebay (shipping from Israel)
>  you can try  Surplus Wireless Gear folks too.
> 
> In regards to the Power Supply, that is a straight forward 48v DC power
> supply (Brick).
> 
> Regards
> 
> 
> Faisal Imtiaz
> Snappy Internet & Telecom
> 7266 SW 48 Street
> Miami, FL 33155
> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232
> 
> Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net
> 
> - Original Message -
>> From: "Sterling Jacobson" 
>> To: "af@afmug.com" 
>> Sent: Tuesday, December 6, 2016 5:45:19 PM
>> Subject: [AFMUG] WTB IP-20C POE
> 
>> Somehow I misplaced my Ceragon POE injector and power supplies during a
>> cabinet
>> move.
>>
>> Anyone happen to have a Ceragon IP-20C compatible POE unit they could sell
>> me?
>>
>> I think the power supplies probably aren't that hard to find, but the POE
> > apparently is.

Re: [AFMUG] WTB IP-20C POE

[Sterling Jacobson]

Yes, lol!

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jaime Solorza
Sent: Tuesday, December 6, 2016 4:17 PM
To: Animal Farm 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] WTB IP-20C POE

Aren't Chuck and Sterling neighbors? 

On Dec 6, 2016 4:09 PM, "Chuck McCown" 
> wrote:
I am hurt...

http://www.mccowntech.com/800-gige-poe-outdoor-midspan-poe-injector-ethernet-surge-protector/
http://www.mccowntech.com/800-gige-poe-apc-rack-mount-surge-protector-power-inserter/

Sheesh!

-Original Message- From: Faisal Imtiaz
Sent: Tuesday, December 06, 2016 3:55 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] WTB IP-20C POE

Some suggestions:-

for the POE injector...
 you can try a Cambium Reseller.
 you can possibly by them on Ebay (shipping from Israel)
 you can try  Surplus Wireless Gear folks too.

In regards to the Power Supply, that is a straight forward 48v DC power supply 
(Brick).

Regards


Faisal Imtiaz
Snappy Internet & Telecom
7266 SW 48 Street
Miami, FL 33155
Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232

Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: 
supp...@snappytelecom.net

- Original Message -
From: "Sterling Jacobson" >
To: "af@afmug.com" >
Sent: Tuesday, December 6, 2016 5:45:19 PM
Subject: [AFMUG] WTB IP-20C POE

Somehow I misplaced my Ceragon POE injector and power supplies during a cabinet
move.

Anyone happen to have a Ceragon IP-20C compatible POE unit they could sell me?

I think the power supplies probably aren't that hard to find, but the POE
apparently is.

Re: [AFMUG] Mounting a Mikrotik CRS in Box

[Matt]

Going to order one of these to try.  It states 6 inch depth which
should be just barely deep enough.  Won't know for sure tell it comes
in.

https://www.startech.com/Server-Management/Racks/1U-19in-Hinged-Wall-Mounting-Bracket-for-Patch-Panels~WALLMOUNTH1


On Tue, Dec 6, 2016 at 4:35 PM, Ken Hohhof  wrote:
> I have done it with a 2011-RM which is probably about the same size, by using 
> a patch panel wallmount bracket from someplace like Startech or Tripplite.  
> Depends on how deep your Hoffman box is.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Matt
> Sent: Tuesday, December 6, 2016 4:24 PM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: [AFMUG] Mounting a Mikrotik CRS in Box
>
> I am looking for a neat space saving way to mount a Mikrotik CRS switch in a 
> Hoffman box on the back panel.  Very tight on space.  Was thinking of using 
> four 7 inch ready rods to reach from the back plane too the rack mount tabs 
> on front.
>
> Anyone know where I could fine ready rod or long bolts about the right size?
>
> Or any better ideas with pictures?

Re: [AFMUG] WTB IP-20C POE

[Jaime Solorza]

Aren't Chuck and Sterling neighbors? 

On Dec 6, 2016 4:09 PM, "Chuck McCown"  wrote:

> I am hurt...
>
> http://www.mccowntech.com/800-gige-poe-outdoor-midspan-poe-i
> njector-ethernet-surge-protector/
> http://www.mccowntech.com/800-gige-poe-apc-rack-mount-surge-
> protector-power-inserter/
>
> Sheesh!
>
> -Original Message- From: Faisal Imtiaz
> Sent: Tuesday, December 06, 2016 3:55 PM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] WTB IP-20C POE
>
> Some suggestions:-
>
> for the POE injector...
>  you can try a Cambium Reseller.
>  you can possibly by them on Ebay (shipping from Israel)
>  you can try  Surplus Wireless Gear folks too.
>
> In regards to the Power Supply, that is a straight forward 48v DC power
> supply (Brick).
>
> Regards
>
>
> Faisal Imtiaz
> Snappy Internet & Telecom
> 7266 SW 48 Street
> Miami, FL 33155
> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232
>
> Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net
>
> - Original Message -
>
>> From: "Sterling Jacobson" 
>> To: "af@afmug.com" 
>> Sent: Tuesday, December 6, 2016 5:45:19 PM
>> Subject: [AFMUG] WTB IP-20C POE
>>
>
> Somehow I misplaced my Ceragon POE injector and power supplies during a
>> cabinet
>> move.
>>
>> Anyone happen to have a Ceragon IP-20C compatible POE unit they could
>> sell me?
>>
>> I think the power supplies probably aren't that hard to find, but the POE
>> apparently is.
>>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] WTB IP-20C POE

[Chuck McCown]

It will put power on CAT5 pair by pair in any polarity you want.

-Original Message- 
From: Sterling Jacobson

Sent: Tuesday, December 06, 2016 4:11 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] WTB IP-20C POE

Wow, so this will work with my IP-20C and a 48v PS??

-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown
Sent: Tuesday, December 6, 2016 4:09 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] WTB IP-20C POE

I am hurt...

http://www.mccowntech.com/800-gige-poe-outdoor-midspan-poe-injector-ethernet-surge-protector/
http://www.mccowntech.com/800-gige-poe-apc-rack-mount-surge-protector-power-inserter/

Sheesh!

-Original Message-
From: Faisal Imtiaz
Sent: Tuesday, December 06, 2016 3:55 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] WTB IP-20C POE

Some suggestions:-

for the POE injector...
 you can try a Cambium Reseller.
 you can possibly by them on Ebay (shipping from Israel)
 you can try  Surplus Wireless Gear folks too.

In regards to the Power Supply, that is a straight forward 48v DC power 
supply (Brick).


Regards


Faisal Imtiaz
Snappy Internet & Telecom
7266 SW 48 Street
Miami, FL 33155
Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232

Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net

- Original Message -

From: "Sterling Jacobson" 
To: "af@afmug.com" 
Sent: Tuesday, December 6, 2016 5:45:19 PM
Subject: [AFMUG] WTB IP-20C POE



Somehow I misplaced my Ceragon POE injector and power supplies during
a cabinet move.

Anyone happen to have a Ceragon IP-20C compatible POE unit they could
sell me?

I think the power supplies probably aren't that hard to find, but the
POE apparently is.

Re: [AFMUG] WTB IP-20C POE

[Sterling Jacobson]

Wow, so this will work with my IP-20C and a 48v PS??

-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown
Sent: Tuesday, December 6, 2016 4:09 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] WTB IP-20C POE

I am hurt...

http://www.mccowntech.com/800-gige-poe-outdoor-midspan-poe-injector-ethernet-surge-protector/
http://www.mccowntech.com/800-gige-poe-apc-rack-mount-surge-protector-power-inserter/

Sheesh!

-Original Message-
From: Faisal Imtiaz
Sent: Tuesday, December 06, 2016 3:55 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] WTB IP-20C POE

Some suggestions:-

for the POE injector...
  you can try a Cambium Reseller.
  you can possibly by them on Ebay (shipping from Israel)
  you can try  Surplus Wireless Gear folks too.

In regards to the Power Supply, that is a straight forward 48v DC power supply 
(Brick).

Regards


Faisal Imtiaz
Snappy Internet & Telecom
7266 SW 48 Street
Miami, FL 33155
Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232

Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net

- Original Message -
> From: "Sterling Jacobson" 
> To: "af@afmug.com" 
> Sent: Tuesday, December 6, 2016 5:45:19 PM
> Subject: [AFMUG] WTB IP-20C POE

> Somehow I misplaced my Ceragon POE injector and power supplies during 
> a cabinet move.
>
> Anyone happen to have a Ceragon IP-20C compatible POE unit they could 
> sell me?
>
> I think the power supplies probably aren't that hard to find, but the 
> POE apparently is.

Re: [AFMUG] WTB IP-20C POE

[Sterling Jacobson]

I don't care about it being outdoor, I can house the POE in the cabinet.



-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Ken Hohhof
Sent: Tuesday, December 6, 2016 4:11 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] WTB IP-20C POE

Are you talking about the outdoor one with glands that takes 24/48 VDC in?
Nice but mucho spendy.

-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Sterling Jacobson
Sent: Tuesday, December 6, 2016 4:45 PM
To: 'af@afmug.com' 
Subject: [AFMUG] WTB IP-20C POE

Somehow I misplaced my Ceragon POE injector and power supplies during a cabinet 
move.

Anyone happen to have a Ceragon IP-20C compatible POE unit they could sell me?

I think the power supplies probably aren't that hard to find, but the POE 
apparently is.

Re: [AFMUG] WTB IP-20C POE

[Ken Hohhof]

Are you talking about the outdoor one with glands that takes 24/48 VDC in?
Nice but mucho spendy.

-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Sterling Jacobson
Sent: Tuesday, December 6, 2016 4:45 PM
To: 'af@afmug.com' 
Subject: [AFMUG] WTB IP-20C POE

Somehow I misplaced my Ceragon POE injector and power supplies during a
cabinet move.

Anyone happen to have a Ceragon IP-20C compatible POE unit they could sell
me?

I think the power supplies probably aren't that hard to find, but the POE
apparently is.

Re: [AFMUG] WTB IP-20C POE

[Chuck McCown]

I am hurt...

http://www.mccowntech.com/800-gige-poe-outdoor-midspan-poe-injector-ethernet-surge-protector/
http://www.mccowntech.com/800-gige-poe-apc-rack-mount-surge-protector-power-inserter/

Sheesh!

-Original Message- 
From: Faisal Imtiaz

Sent: Tuesday, December 06, 2016 3:55 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] WTB IP-20C POE

Some suggestions:-

for the POE injector...
 you can try a Cambium Reseller.
 you can possibly by them on Ebay (shipping from Israel)
 you can try  Surplus Wireless Gear folks too.

In regards to the Power Supply, that is a straight forward 48v DC power 
supply (Brick).


Regards


Faisal Imtiaz
Snappy Internet & Telecom
7266 SW 48 Street
Miami, FL 33155
Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232

Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net

- Original Message -

From: "Sterling Jacobson" 
To: "af@afmug.com" 
Sent: Tuesday, December 6, 2016 5:45:19 PM
Subject: [AFMUG] WTB IP-20C POE


Somehow I misplaced my Ceragon POE injector and power supplies during a 
cabinet

move.

Anyone happen to have a Ceragon IP-20C compatible POE unit they could sell 
me?


I think the power supplies probably aren't that hard to find, but the POE
apparently is. 

Re: [AFMUG] Cloud.xclaimwireless.com down?

[Darren Shea]

Of course! How else will the TBPAA (Toasted Bread Products Association of
America) know you aren't exceeding your toasting plan's monthly license for
Toast/English Muffins/Bagels?

-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Ken Hohhof
Sent: Tuesday, December 06, 2016 4:30 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cloud.xclaimwireless.com down?

I had to look up what that is.  Ruckus?  So you're saying if they can't talk
to the cloud, rather than carrying on in their last  state, they fall over
on the floor dead until the cloud comes back?  That seems ungood.  Are we
headed to a future where our toasters can't make toast and our light bulbs
don't light if the cloud goes down?

-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Nate Burke
Sent: Tuesday, December 6, 2016 10:06 AM
To: Animal Farm 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cloud.xclaimwireless.com down?

I Found a post on their forum that they're having issues this morning, and
All Ap's are blinking red.

This is why I both Love and Hate 'The Cloud'

I love it that it's someone else's problem to figure out and Fix.
I hate that I can't fix it and just have to sit here until someone else
does.

On 12/6/2016 9:32 AM, Nate Burke wrote:
> I can login but then just have a spinning circle and won't load any AP 
> data.  Tried multiple browsers with the same issue.
>
> Of Course, this morning is when a customer is calling about an AP 
> that's not working.

Re: [AFMUG] WTB IP-20C POE

[Faisal Imtiaz]

Some suggestions:-

 for the POE injector... 
  you can try a Cambium Reseller.
  you can possibly by them on Ebay (shipping from Israel) 
  you can try  Surplus Wireless Gear folks too.

In regards to the Power Supply, that is a straight forward 48v DC power supply 
(Brick).

Regards


Faisal Imtiaz
Snappy Internet & Telecom
7266 SW 48 Street
Miami, FL 33155
Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232

Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net

- Original Message -
> From: "Sterling Jacobson" 
> To: "af@afmug.com" 
> Sent: Tuesday, December 6, 2016 5:45:19 PM
> Subject: [AFMUG] WTB IP-20C POE

> Somehow I misplaced my Ceragon POE injector and power supplies during a 
> cabinet
> move.
> 
> Anyone happen to have a Ceragon IP-20C compatible POE unit they could sell me?
> 
> I think the power supplies probably aren't that hard to find, but the POE
> apparently is.

Re: [AFMUG] WTB IP-20C POE

[Jon Langeler]

You can probably get them from Cambium

Jon Langeler
Michwave Technologies, Inc.


> On Dec 6, 2016, at 5:45 PM, Sterling Jacobson  wrote:
> 
> Somehow I misplaced my Ceragon POE injector and power supplies during a 
> cabinet move.
> 
> Anyone happen to have a Ceragon IP-20C compatible POE unit they could sell me?
> 
> I think the power supplies probably aren't that hard to find, but the POE 
> apparently is.

[AFMUG] WTB IP-20C POE

[Sterling Jacobson]

Somehow I misplaced my Ceragon POE injector and power supplies during a cabinet 
move.

Anyone happen to have a Ceragon IP-20C compatible POE unit they could sell me?

I think the power supplies probably aren't that hard to find, but the POE 
apparently is.

Re: [AFMUG] Mounting a Mikrotik CRS in Box

[Mathew Howard]

I'm pretty sure a CRS is a lot deeper than a 2011-RM (close to twice the
depth, if I remember right), but that seems like it oughta work fine if you
can find wall mount brackets that are deep enough.

On Tue, Dec 6, 2016 at 4:35 PM, Ken Hohhof  wrote:

> I have done it with a 2011-RM which is probably about the same size, by
> using a patch panel wallmount bracket from someplace like Startech or
> Tripplite.  Depends on how deep your Hoffman box is.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Matt
> Sent: Tuesday, December 6, 2016 4:24 PM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: [AFMUG] Mounting a Mikrotik CRS in Box
>
> I am looking for a neat space saving way to mount a Mikrotik CRS switch in
> a Hoffman box on the back panel.  Very tight on space.  Was thinking of
> using four 7 inch ready rods to reach from the back plane too the rack
> mount tabs on front.
>
> Anyone know where I could fine ready rod or long bolts about the right
> size?
>
> Or any better ideas with pictures?
>

Re: [AFMUG] Splitting Network Traffic in an OSPF environment

[SmarterBroadband]

Does Mikrotik have dynamic MPLS-TE?

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Gilbert T. Gutierrez,
Jr.
Sent: Tuesday, December 06, 2016 2:32 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Splitting Network Traffic in an OSPF environment

 

MPLS-TE is also a way to go. I have really not done the traffic engineering
over MPLS myself.

Gilbert

 

On 12/6/2016 1:43 PM, George Skorup wrote:

Isn't this what MPLS-TE is for? Or what about the AirFiber NxN thingamajig?

On 12/6/2016 1:49 PM, Gilbert T. Gutierrez, Jr. wrote:

You can mark specific IP blocks in a Mangle Rule via a routing mark. Then
use a static route (That checks the gateway) that routes on that routing
mark. If the link is down, OSPF takes over.

I do this on a couple of links where I have a higher cost on a low speed
link. As long as the link is up, I route specific traffic through it with
routing marks. If it goes down, everything goes through the primary. If the
primary goes down the low speed link picks up all traffic. Pretty easy to do
with address lists and Mangle Rules.

Gilbert

 

On 12/6/2016 9:33 AM, Paul McCall wrote:

Did get to finish this�

�

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Paul McCall
Sent: Tuesday, December 6, 2016 11:32 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] Splitting Network Traffic in an OSPF enviroment

�

We have a �feed tower� that feeds several other towers (some directly,
some a hop or 2 away) and its main BH (AirFiber 5x) is nearing capacity.�
All 3.65 spectrum is used up, and same with 5 Ghz.� The secondary that
sits largely unused (non-preferred OSPF path) has about 100Mbit capacity and
we would like to somehow split our load from the feed tower.�� All the
�subtowers� are on their own subnet(s) all running OSPF on a Mikrotik at
each tower.

�

OSPF pretty much is all or nothing when picking a path.� There has to be a
simple way of making this work.

�

Paul

�

�

�

Paul McCall, President

PDMNet, Inc. / Florida Broadband, Inc.

658 Old Dixie Highway

Vero Beach, FL 32962

772-564-6800� 

pa...@pdmnet.net

www.pdmnet.com

www.floridabroadband.com

�

�

 

 

 

Re: [AFMUG] Mounting a Mikrotik CRS in Box

[TJ Trout]

How about din rail and a clip that's what we use. If not scotch extreme
mounting tape won't disappoint

On Dec 6, 2016 2:23 PM, "Matt"  wrote:

> I am looking for a neat space saving way to mount a Mikrotik CRS
> switch in a Hoffman box on the back panel.  Very tight on space.  Was
> thinking of using four 7 inch ready rods to reach from the back plane
> too the rack mount tabs on front.
>
> Anyone know where I could fine ready rod or long bolts about the right
> size?
>
> Or any better ideas with pictures?
>

Re: [AFMUG] Splitting Network Traffic in an OSPF environment

[Gilbert T. Gutierrez, Jr.]

MPLS-TE is also a way to go. I have really not done the traffic 
engineering over MPLS myself.


Gilbert


On 12/6/2016 1:43 PM, George Skorup wrote:
Isn't this what MPLS-TE is for? Or what about the AirFiber NxN 
thingamajig?


On 12/6/2016 1:49 PM, Gilbert T. Gutierrez, Jr. wrote:


You can mark specific IP blocks in a Mangle Rule via a routing mark. 
Then use a static route (That checks the gateway) that routes on that 
routing mark. If the link is down, OSPF takes over.


I do this on a couple of links where I have a higher cost on a low 
speed link. As long as the link is up, I route specific traffic 
through it with routing marks. If it goes down, everything goes 
through the primary. If the primary goes down the low speed link 
picks up all traffic. Pretty easy to do with address lists and Mangle 
Rules.


Gilbert


On 12/6/2016 9:33 AM, Paul McCall wrote:


Did get to finish this�

�

*From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Paul McCall
*Sent:* Tuesday, December 6, 2016 11:32 AM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* [AFMUG] Splitting Network Traffic in an OSPF enviroment

�

We have a �feed tower� that feeds several other towers (some 
directly, some a hop or 2 away) and its main BH (AirFiber 5x) is 
nearing capacity.� All 3.65 spectrum is used up, and same with 5 
Ghz.� The secondary that sits largely unused (non-preferred OSPF 
path) has about 100Mbit capacity and we would like to somehow split 
our load from the feed tower.�� All the �subtowers� are on 
their own subnet(s) all running OSPF on a Mikrotik at each tower.


�

OSPF pretty much is all or nothing when picking a path.� There has 
to be a simple way of making this work.


�

Paul

�

�

�

Paul McCall, President

PDMNet, Inc. / Florida Broadband, Inc.

658 Old Dixie Highway

Vero Beach, FL 32962

772-564-6800�

pa...@pdmnet.net 

www.pdmnet.com 

www.floridabroadband.com 

�

�

Re: [AFMUG] Cloud.xclaimwireless.com down?

[Ken Hohhof]

I had to look up what that is.  Ruckus?  So you're saying if they can't talk
to the cloud, rather than carrying on in their last  state, they fall over
on the floor dead until the cloud comes back?  That seems ungood.  Are we
headed to a future where our toasters can't make toast and our light bulbs
don't light if the cloud goes down?

-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Nate Burke
Sent: Tuesday, December 6, 2016 10:06 AM
To: Animal Farm 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cloud.xclaimwireless.com down?

I Found a post on their forum that they're having issues this morning, and
All Ap's are blinking red.

This is why I both Love and Hate 'The Cloud'

I love it that it's someone else's problem to figure out and Fix.
I hate that I can't fix it and just have to sit here until someone else
does.

On 12/6/2016 9:32 AM, Nate Burke wrote:
> I can login but then just have a spinning circle and won't load any AP 
> data.  Tried multiple browsers with the same issue.
>
> Of Course, this morning is when a customer is calling about an AP 
> that's not working.

Re: [AFMUG] Splitting Network Traffic in an OSPF environment

[George Skorup]

Isn't this what MPLS-TE is for? Or what about the AirFiber NxN thingamajig?

On 12/6/2016 1:49 PM, Gilbert T. Gutierrez, Jr. wrote:


You can mark specific IP blocks in a Mangle Rule via a routing mark. 
Then use a static route (That checks the gateway) that routes on that 
routing mark. If the link is down, OSPF takes over.


I do this on a couple of links where I have a higher cost on a low 
speed link. As long as the link is up, I route specific traffic 
through it with routing marks. If it goes down, everything goes 
through the primary. If the primary goes down the low speed link picks 
up all traffic. Pretty easy to do with address lists and Mangle Rules.


Gilbert


On 12/6/2016 9:33 AM, Paul McCall wrote:


Did get to finish this�

�

*From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Paul McCall
*Sent:* Tuesday, December 6, 2016 11:32 AM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* [AFMUG] Splitting Network Traffic in an OSPF enviroment

�

We have a �feed tower� that feeds several other towers (some 
directly, some a hop or 2 away) and its main BH (AirFiber 5x) is 
nearing capacity.� All 3.65 spectrum is used up, and same with 5 
Ghz.� The secondary that sits largely unused (non-preferred OSPF 
path) has about 100Mbit capacity and we would like to somehow split 
our load from the feed tower.�� All the �subtowers� are on 
their own subnet(s) all running OSPF on a Mikrotik at each tower.


�

OSPF pretty much is all or nothing when picking a path.� There has 
to be a simple way of making this work.


�

Paul

�

�

�

Paul McCall, President

PDMNet, Inc. / Florida Broadband, Inc.

658 Old Dixie Highway

Vero Beach, FL 32962

772-564-6800�

pa...@pdmnet.net 

www.pdmnet.com 

www.floridabroadband.com 

�

�

Re: [AFMUG] Splitting Network Traffic in an OSPF environment

[That One Guy /sarcasm]

this is what we do

On Tue, Dec 6, 2016 at 1:49 PM, Gilbert T. Gutierrez, Jr. <
mailing-li...@phxinternet.com> wrote:

> You can mark specific IP blocks in a Mangle Rule via a routing mark. Then
> use a static route (That checks the gateway) that routes on that routing
> mark. If the link is down, OSPF takes over.
>
> I do this on a couple of links where I have a higher cost on a low speed
> link. As long as the link is up, I route specific traffic through it with
> routing marks. If it goes down, everything goes through the primary. If the
> primary goes down the low speed link picks up all traffic. Pretty easy to
> do with address lists and Mangle Rules.
>
> Gilbert
>
> On 12/6/2016 9:33 AM, Paul McCall wrote:
>
> Did get to finish this�
>
> �
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] *On
> Behalf Of *Paul McCall
> *Sent:* Tuesday, December 6, 2016 11:32 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* [AFMUG] Splitting Network Traffic in an OSPF enviroment
>
> �
>
> We have a �feed tower� that feeds several other towers (some directly,
> some a hop or 2 away) and its main BH (AirFiber 5x) is nearing capacity.�
> All 3.65 spectrum is used up, and same with 5 Ghz.� The secondary that
> sits largely unused (non-preferred OSPF path) has about 100Mbit capacity
> and we would like to somehow split our load from the feed tower.�� All
> the �subtowers� are on their own subnet(s) all running OSPF on a
> Mikrotik at each tower.
>
> �
>
> OSPF pretty much is all or nothing when picking a path.� There has to be
> a simple way of making this work.
>
> �
>
> Paul
>
> �
>
> �
>
> �
>
> Paul McCall, President
>
> PDMNet, Inc. / Florida Broadband, Inc.
>
> 658 Old Dixie Highway
>
> Vero Beach, FL 32962
>
> 772-564-6800�
>
> pa...@pdmnet.net
>
> www.pdmnet.com
>
> www.floridabroadband.com
>
> �
>
> �
>
>
>


-- 
If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] Splitting Network Traffic in an OSPF environment

[Gilbert T. Gutierrez, Jr.]

You can mark specific IP blocks in a Mangle Rule via a routing mark. 
Then use a static route (That checks the gateway) that routes on that 
routing mark. If the link is down, OSPF takes over.


I do this on a couple of links where I have a higher cost on a low speed 
link. As long as the link is up, I route specific traffic through it 
with routing marks. If it goes down, everything goes through the 
primary. If the primary goes down the low speed link picks up all 
traffic. Pretty easy to do with address lists and Mangle Rules.


Gilbert


On 12/6/2016 9:33 AM, Paul McCall wrote:


Did get to finish this�

*From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Paul McCall
*Sent:* Tuesday, December 6, 2016 11:32 AM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* [AFMUG] Splitting Network Traffic in an OSPF enviroment

We have a �feed tower� that feeds several other towers (some directly, 
some a hop or 2 away) and its main BH (AirFiber 5x) is nearing 
capacity.  All 3.65 spectrum is used up, and same with 5 Ghz.  The 
secondary that sits largely unused (non-preferred OSPF path) has about 
100Mbit capacity and we would like to somehow split our load from the 
feed tower.   All the �subtowers� are on their own subnet(s) all 
running OSPF on a Mikrotik at each tower.


OSPF pretty much is all or nothing when picking a path.  There has to 
be a simple way of making this work.


Paul

Paul McCall, President

PDMNet, Inc. / Florida Broadband, Inc.

658 Old Dixie Highway

Vero Beach, FL 32962

772-564-6800

pa...@pdmnet.net 

www.pdmnet.com 

www.floridabroadband.com 

Re: [AFMUG] Splitting Network Traffic in an OSPF environment

[Dave]

not really, I have some traffic moving more on another path just by 
stacking the gateway for the default path.



On 12/06/2016 10:47 AM, Paul McCall wrote:


It looks straightforward.  Any downside or special considerations?

*From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Dennis Burgess
*Sent:* Tuesday, December 6, 2016 11:35 AM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Splitting Network Traffic in an OSPF environment

ECMP easy enough. ;)

*/_Dennis Burgess_/**�Network Solution Engineer � Consultant *

MikroTik Certified Trainer/Consultant 
 � 
MTCNA, MTCRE, MTCWE, MTCTCE, MTCINE


For Wireless Hardware/Routers visit www.linktechs.net 



Radio Frequiency Coverages: www.towercoverage.com 



Office: 314-735-0270

E-Mail: dmburg...@linktechs.net 

*From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Paul McCall
*Sent:* Tuesday, December 6, 2016 10:34 AM
*To:* af@afmug.com 
*Subject:* [AFMUG] Splitting Network Traffic in an OSPF environment

Did get to finish this�

*From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Paul McCall
*Sent:* Tuesday, December 6, 2016 11:32 AM
*To:* af@afmug.com 
*Subject:* [AFMUG] Splitting Network Traffic in an OSPF enviroment

We have a �feed tower� that feeds several other towers (some directly, 
some a hop or 2 away) and its main BH (AirFiber 5x) is nearing 
capacity.  All 3.65 spectrum is used up, and same with 5 Ghz.  The 
secondary that sits largely unused (non-preferred OSPF path) has about 
100Mbit capacity and we would like to somehow split our load from the 
feed tower.   All the �subtowers� are on their own subnet(s) all 
running OSPF on a Mikrotik at each tower.


OSPF pretty much is all or nothing when picking a path.  There has to 
be a simple way of making this work.


Paul

Paul McCall, President

PDMNet, Inc. / Florida Broadband, Inc.

658 Old Dixie Highway

Vero Beach, FL 32962

772-564-6800

pa...@pdmnet.net 

www.pdmnet.com 

www.floridabroadband.com 



--

Re: [AFMUG] Splitting Network Traffic in an OSPF environment

[Kurt Fankhauser]

Paul,

You wont loose OSPF as long as you connect those daisy chained backhauls
back into the network somewhere farther out in the network, worst case you
loose OSPF at the site, but actually I was just thinking, couldn't you tie
a router in between the daisy chained backhauls at that site and then
connect that router into the main OSPF router at that site and just
manually add a really high metric cost between the two sets of routers so
traffic will only go between them if that is the absolute last path still
up?

On Tue, Dec 6, 2016 at 1:50 PM, Faisal Imtiaz 
wrote:

>
>
> >>Reading Faisal’s article now
>
>
> The credit for the solution belongs to  Kevin Meyers  (IP Architects)
>
> I only shared the link
>
>
> :)
>
> Faisal Imtiaz
> Snappy Internet & Telecom
> 7266 SW 48 Street
> Miami, FL 33155
> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 <(305)%20663-5518>
>
> Help-desk: (305)663-5518 <(305)%20663-5518> Option 2 or Email:
> supp...@snappytelecom.net
>
> --
>
> *From: *"Paul McCall" 
> *To: *af@afmug.com
> *Sent: *Tuesday, December 6, 2016 1:35:33 PM
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Splitting Network Traffic in an OSPF environment
>
> We have done this as well, but we need more granular control than just
> “splitting” the traffic.  I wasn’t detailed enough I guess, of the 7 towers
> that are fed through this tower, we want to feed probably (2) specific
> towers.  We need that granular control.
>
>
>
> Reading Faisal’s article now
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Kurt Fankhauser
> *Sent:* Tuesday, December 6, 2016 1:26 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Splitting Network Traffic in an OSPF environment
>
>
>
> Paul,
>
>
>
> I have done this before and it works pretty easily. So if you want to send
> half the traffic through the one backhaul and then half through another
> path, just manually adjust the metric cost on the routers that are on the
> closer hop count to a higher value until it is the same exact cost for
> traffic to go both paths. Then it will evenly split the traffic between
> paths. You have to be careuful that both backhauls have the same capacity
> otherwise if one starts to peak out (might be running lower modulation) you
> may get some weird results.
>
>
>
> On Tue, Dec 6, 2016 at 12:48 PM, Carl Peterson 
> wrote:
>
> That solution is brilliant.
>
>
>
> On Tue, Dec 6, 2016 at 12:15 PM, Faisal Imtiaz 
> wrote:
>
> Here's an article about some innovative way to do this...
>
>
>
> http://www.stubarea51.net/2016/10/27/wisp-design-using-
> ospf-to-build-a-transit-fabric-over-unequal-links/
>
>
>
> Regards
>
>
>
> Faisal Imtiaz
> Snappy Internet & Telecom
> 7266 SW 48 Street
> Miami, FL 33155
> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232
>
> Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net
>
>
> --
>
> *From: *"Paul McCall" 
> *To: *af@afmug.com
> *Sent: *Tuesday, December 6, 2016 11:33:42 AM
> *Subject: *[AFMUG] Splitting Network Traffic in an OSPF environment
>
> Did get to finish this…
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Paul McCall
> *Sent:* Tuesday, December 6, 2016 11:32 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* [AFMUG] Splitting Network Traffic in an OSPF enviroment
>
>
>
> We have a “feed tower” that feeds several other towers (some directly,
> some a hop or 2 away) and its main BH (AirFiber 5x) is nearing capacity.
> All 3.65 spectrum is used up, and same with 5 Ghz.  The secondary that sits
> largely unused (non-preferred OSPF path) has about 100Mbit capacity and we
> would like to somehow split our load from the feed tower.   All the
> “subtowers” are on their own subnet(s) all running OSPF on a Mikrotik at
> each tower.
>
>
>
> OSPF pretty much is all or nothing when picking a path.  There has to be a
> simple way of making this work.
>
>
>
> Paul
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Paul McCall, President
>
> PDMNet, Inc. / Florida Broadband, Inc.
>
> 658 Old Dixie Highway
>
> Vero Beach, FL 32962
>
> 772-564-6800
>
> pa...@pdmnet.net
>
> www.pdmnet.com
>
> www.floridabroadband.com
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> --
>
> Carl Peterson
>
> *PORT NETWORKS*
>
> 401 E Pratt St, Ste 2553
>
> Baltimore, MD 21202
>
> (410) 637-3707
>
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Are DFS Hits on EPMP Normal?

[Josh Luthman]

2.6.2.1 is the best for DFS, but otherwise 3.1 or 3.2 would be best.


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Mon, Dec 5, 2016 at 6:26 PM, George Skorup  wrote:

> Yeah, 2.6.2.1 still seems to be the most stable.
>
> On 12/5/2016 1:35 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:
>
> It's kind of a shot...or short?
>
> Make sure you're in 2.6.2.1 for DFS.  3.0 and 3.1 have DFS issues.  I
> didn't know this 3.2 came out this weekend, not sure if DFS was fixed along
> with elevate being added.
>
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340 <(937)%20552-2340>
> Direct: 937-552-2343 <(937)%20552-2343>
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
> On Mon, Dec 5, 2016 at 2:09 PM, Bill Prince  wrote:
>
>> 1.8 miles is kind of short at 5 GHz. What kind of RSL are you talking
>> about? You can create your own DFS hits if the power is set too high.
>>
>>
>> bp
>> 
>>
>>
>> On 12/5/2016 11:02 AM, Nate Burke wrote:
>>
>>> I just installed an EPMP link in PTP mode running due north/south about
>>> 40 miles west of Chicago.  I put it in 5.4 since the spectrum was
>>> completely clear.  It continually is moving frequency (every couple hours)
>>> from DFS Events, is that normal? Before I had multiple frequencies enabled,
>>> it would go out of service for hours at a time.
>>>
>>> The Radio can also be working, then when I put it under load with like a
>>> linktest from the SM, it immediately detects radar and shutsdown.
>>>
>>> EPMP 5 ghz GPS units on both ends, Force 110 dishs.  1.8 mile link
>>> distance  3.2 firmware.  20 and 40mhz channels tried.
>>>
>>> I've always been afraid of running in 5.4 for this reason, where things
>>> will just stop working.  Apparently my worries were justified.  Or is
>>> something else going on?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Splitting Network Traffic in an OSPF environment

[Faisal Imtiaz]

>>Reading Faisal’s article now 

The credit for the solution belongs to Kevin Meyers (IP Architects) 

I only shared the link 

:) 

Faisal Imtiaz 
Snappy Internet & Telecom 
7266 SW 48 Street 
Miami, FL 33155 
Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 

Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net 

> From: "Paul McCall" 
> To: af@afmug.com
> Sent: Tuesday, December 6, 2016 1:35:33 PM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Splitting Network Traffic in an OSPF environment

> We have done this as well, but we need more granular control than just
> “splitting” the traffic. I wasn’t detailed enough I guess, of the 7 towers 
> that
> are fed through this tower, we want to feed probably (2) specific towers. We
> need that granular control.

> Reading Faisal’s article now

> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Kurt Fankhauser
> Sent: Tuesday, December 6, 2016 1:26 PM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Splitting Network Traffic in an OSPF environment

> Paul,

> I have done this before and it works pretty easily. So if you want to send 
> half
> the traffic through the one backhaul and then half through another path, just
> manually adjust the metric cost on the routers that are on the closer hop 
> count
> to a higher value until it is the same exact cost for traffic to go both 
> paths.
> Then it will evenly split the traffic between paths. You have to be careuful
> that both backhauls have the same capacity otherwise if one starts to peak out
> (might be running lower modulation) you may get some weird results.

> On Tue, Dec 6, 2016 at 12:48 PM, Carl Peterson < cpeter...@portnetworks.com >
> wrote:
>> That solution is brilliant.

>> On Tue, Dec 6, 2016 at 12:15 PM, Faisal Imtiaz < fai...@snappytelecom.net >
>> wrote:
>>> Here's an article about some innovative way to do this...

>>> http://www.stubarea51.net/2016/10/27/wisp-design-using-ospf-to-build-a-transit-fabric-over-unequal-links/

>>> Regards

>>> Faisal Imtiaz
>>> Snappy Internet & Telecom
>>> 7266 SW 48 Street
>>> Miami, FL 33155
>>> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232

>>> Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net

 From: "Paul McCall" < pa...@pdmnet.net >
 To: af@afmug.com
 Sent: Tuesday, December 6, 2016 11:33:42 AM
 Subject: [AFMUG] Splitting Network Traffic in an OSPF environment
 Did get to finish this…

 From: Af [mailto: af-boun...@afmug.com ] On Behalf Of Paul McCall
 Sent: Tuesday, December 6, 2016 11:32 AM
 To: af@afmug.com
 Subject: [AFMUG] Splitting Network Traffic in an OSPF enviroment

 We have a “feed tower” that feeds several other towers (some directly, 
 some a
 hop or 2 away) and its main BH (AirFiber 5x) is nearing capacity. All 3.65
 spectrum is used up, and same with 5 Ghz. The secondary that sits largely
 unused (non-preferred OSPF path) has about 100Mbit capacity and we would 
 like
 to somehow split our load from the feed tower. All the “subtowers” are on 
 their
 own subnet(s) all running OSPF on a Mikrotik at each tower.

 OSPF pretty much is all or nothing when picking a path. There has to be a 
 simple
 way of making this work.

 Paul

 Paul McCall, President

 PDMNet, Inc. / Florida Broadband, Inc.

 658 Old Dixie Highway

 Vero Beach, FL 32962

 772-564-6800

 pa...@pdmnet.net

 www.pdmnet.com

 www.floridabroadband.com

>> --

>> Carl Peterson

>> PORT NETWORKS

>> 401 E Pratt St, Ste 2553

>> Baltimore, MD 21202

>> (410) 637-3707

Re: [AFMUG] Splitting Network Traffic in an OSPF environment

[Paul McCall]

If we daisy chain, we lose OSPF I believe.  That’s no good in this situation

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Kurt Fankhauser
Sent: Tuesday, December 6, 2016 1:44 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Splitting Network Traffic in an OSPF environment

Paul,

I think I know what your trying to do now, I think you may end up daisy 
chaining a couple backhauls that go across a tower (but dont feed that tower) 
and are basically an isolated path to get more bandwidth further out. I thought 
about doing this with a couple licensed backhauls when I needed to pass more 
than 1gbps through a tower (already has AF24's on it) and feed a further tower 
out so basically it was offloading some of the heavy usage towers farther down 
the network by providing them with their own daisy chaining hoping around all 
your normal drawing parts of the network. Is that what your trying to do?

On Tue, Dec 6, 2016 at 1:35 PM, Paul McCall 
> wrote:
We have done this as well, but we need more granular control than just 
“splitting” the traffic.  I wasn’t detailed enough I guess, of the 7 towers 
that are fed through this tower, we want to feed probably (2) specific towers.  
We need that granular control.

Reading Faisal’s article now

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf 
Of Kurt Fankhauser
Sent: Tuesday, December 6, 2016 1:26 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Splitting Network Traffic in an OSPF environment

Paul,

I have done this before and it works pretty easily. So if you want to send half 
the traffic through the one backhaul and then half through another path, just 
manually adjust the metric cost on the routers that are on the closer hop count 
to a higher value until it is the same exact cost for traffic to go both paths. 
Then it will evenly split the traffic between paths. You have to be careuful 
that both backhauls have the same capacity otherwise if one starts to peak out 
(might be running lower modulation) you may get some weird results.

On Tue, Dec 6, 2016 at 12:48 PM, Carl Peterson 
> wrote:
That solution is brilliant.

On Tue, Dec 6, 2016 at 12:15 PM, Faisal Imtiaz 
> wrote:
Here's an article about some innovative way to do this...

http://www.stubarea51.net/2016/10/27/wisp-design-using-ospf-to-build-a-transit-fabric-over-unequal-links/

Regards

Faisal Imtiaz
Snappy Internet & Telecom
7266 SW 48 Street
Miami, FL 33155
Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232

Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: 
supp...@snappytelecom.net


From: "Paul McCall" >
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Tuesday, December 6, 2016 11:33:42 AM
Subject: [AFMUG] Splitting Network Traffic in an OSPF environment
Did get to finish this…

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf 
Of Paul McCall
Sent: Tuesday, December 6, 2016 11:32 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] Splitting Network Traffic in an OSPF enviroment

We have a “feed tower” that feeds several other towers (some directly, some a 
hop or 2 away) and its main BH (AirFiber 5x) is nearing capacity.  All 3.65 
spectrum is used up, and same with 5 Ghz.  The secondary that sits largely 
unused (non-preferred OSPF path) has about 100Mbit capacity and we would like 
to somehow split our load from the feed tower.   All the “subtowers” are on 
their own subnet(s) all running OSPF on a Mikrotik at each tower.

OSPF pretty much is all or nothing when picking a path.  There has to be a 
simple way of making this work.

Paul



Paul McCall, President
PDMNet, Inc. / Florida Broadband, Inc.
658 Old Dixie Highway
Vero Beach, FL 32962
772-564-6800
pa...@pdmnet.net
www.pdmnet.com
www.floridabroadband.com






--

Carl Peterson

PORT NETWORKS

401 E Pratt St, Ste 2553

Baltimore, MD 21202

(410) 637-3707

Re: [AFMUG] Splitting Network Traffic in an OSPF environment

[Kurt Fankhauser]

Paul,

I think I know what your trying to do now, I think you may end up daisy
chaining a couple backhauls that go across a tower (but dont feed that
tower) and are basically an isolated path to get more bandwidth further
out. I thought about doing this with a couple licensed backhauls when I
needed to pass more than 1gbps through a tower (already has AF24's on it)
and feed a further tower out so basically it was offloading some of the
heavy usage towers farther down the network by providing them with their
own daisy chaining hoping around all your normal drawing parts of the
network. Is that what your trying to do?

On Tue, Dec 6, 2016 at 1:35 PM, Paul McCall  wrote:

> We have done this as well, but we need more granular control than just
> “splitting” the traffic.  I wasn’t detailed enough I guess, of the 7 towers
> that are fed through this tower, we want to feed probably (2) specific
> towers.  We need that granular control.
>
>
>
> Reading Faisal’s article now
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Kurt Fankhauser
> *Sent:* Tuesday, December 6, 2016 1:26 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Splitting Network Traffic in an OSPF environment
>
>
>
> Paul,
>
>
>
> I have done this before and it works pretty easily. So if you want to send
> half the traffic through the one backhaul and then half through another
> path, just manually adjust the metric cost on the routers that are on the
> closer hop count to a higher value until it is the same exact cost for
> traffic to go both paths. Then it will evenly split the traffic between
> paths. You have to be careuful that both backhauls have the same capacity
> otherwise if one starts to peak out (might be running lower modulation) you
> may get some weird results.
>
>
>
> On Tue, Dec 6, 2016 at 12:48 PM, Carl Peterson 
> wrote:
>
> That solution is brilliant.
>
>
>
> On Tue, Dec 6, 2016 at 12:15 PM, Faisal Imtiaz 
> wrote:
>
> Here's an article about some innovative way to do this...
>
>
>
> http://www.stubarea51.net/2016/10/27/wisp-design-using-
> ospf-to-build-a-transit-fabric-over-unequal-links/
>
>
>
> Regards
>
>
>
> Faisal Imtiaz
> Snappy Internet & Telecom
> 7266 SW 48 Street
> Miami, FL 33155
> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232
>
> Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net
>
>
> --
>
> *From: *"Paul McCall" 
> *To: *af@afmug.com
> *Sent: *Tuesday, December 6, 2016 11:33:42 AM
> *Subject: *[AFMUG] Splitting Network Traffic in an OSPF environment
>
> Did get to finish this…
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Paul McCall
> *Sent:* Tuesday, December 6, 2016 11:32 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* [AFMUG] Splitting Network Traffic in an OSPF enviroment
>
>
>
> We have a “feed tower” that feeds several other towers (some directly,
> some a hop or 2 away) and its main BH (AirFiber 5x) is nearing capacity.
> All 3.65 spectrum is used up, and same with 5 Ghz.  The secondary that sits
> largely unused (non-preferred OSPF path) has about 100Mbit capacity and we
> would like to somehow split our load from the feed tower.   All the
> “subtowers” are on their own subnet(s) all running OSPF on a Mikrotik at
> each tower.
>
>
>
> OSPF pretty much is all or nothing when picking a path.  There has to be a
> simple way of making this work.
>
>
>
> Paul
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Paul McCall, President
>
> PDMNet, Inc. / Florida Broadband, Inc.
>
> 658 Old Dixie Highway
>
> Vero Beach, FL 32962
>
> 772-564-6800
>
> pa...@pdmnet.net
>
> www.pdmnet.com
>
> www.floridabroadband.com
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> --
>
> Carl Peterson
>
> *PORT NETWORKS*
>
> 401 E Pratt St, Ste 2553
>
> Baltimore, MD 21202
>
> (410) 637-3707
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Splitting Network Traffic in an OSPF environment

[Paul McCall]

We have done this as well, but we need more granular control than just 
“splitting” the traffic.  I wasn’t detailed enough I guess, of the 7 towers 
that are fed through this tower, we want to feed probably (2) specific towers.  
We need that granular control.

Reading Faisal’s article now

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Kurt Fankhauser
Sent: Tuesday, December 6, 2016 1:26 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Splitting Network Traffic in an OSPF environment

Paul,

I have done this before and it works pretty easily. So if you want to send half 
the traffic through the one backhaul and then half through another path, just 
manually adjust the metric cost on the routers that are on the closer hop count 
to a higher value until it is the same exact cost for traffic to go both paths. 
Then it will evenly split the traffic between paths. You have to be careuful 
that both backhauls have the same capacity otherwise if one starts to peak out 
(might be running lower modulation) you may get some weird results.

On Tue, Dec 6, 2016 at 12:48 PM, Carl Peterson 
> wrote:
That solution is brilliant.

On Tue, Dec 6, 2016 at 12:15 PM, Faisal Imtiaz 
> wrote:
Here's an article about some innovative way to do this...

http://www.stubarea51.net/2016/10/27/wisp-design-using-ospf-to-build-a-transit-fabric-over-unequal-links/

Regards

Faisal Imtiaz
Snappy Internet & Telecom
7266 SW 48 Street
Miami, FL 33155
Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232

Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: 
supp...@snappytelecom.net


From: "Paul McCall" >
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Tuesday, December 6, 2016 11:33:42 AM
Subject: [AFMUG] Splitting Network Traffic in an OSPF environment
Did get to finish this…

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf 
Of Paul McCall
Sent: Tuesday, December 6, 2016 11:32 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] Splitting Network Traffic in an OSPF enviroment

We have a “feed tower” that feeds several other towers (some directly, some a 
hop or 2 away) and its main BH (AirFiber 5x) is nearing capacity.  All 3.65 
spectrum is used up, and same with 5 Ghz.  The secondary that sits largely 
unused (non-preferred OSPF path) has about 100Mbit capacity and we would like 
to somehow split our load from the feed tower.   All the “subtowers” are on 
their own subnet(s) all running OSPF on a Mikrotik at each tower.

OSPF pretty much is all or nothing when picking a path.  There has to be a 
simple way of making this work.

Paul



Paul McCall, President
PDMNet, Inc. / Florida Broadband, Inc.
658 Old Dixie Highway
Vero Beach, FL 32962
772-564-6800
pa...@pdmnet.net
www.pdmnet.com
www.floridabroadband.com






--

Carl Peterson

PORT NETWORKS

401 E Pratt St, Ste 2553

Baltimore, MD 21202

(410) 637-3707

Re: [AFMUG] Splitting Network Traffic in an OSPF environment

[Kurt Fankhauser]

Also forgot to mention be sure to adjust the metric costs on both sides of
the link that your adjusting. Otherwise you could end up with weird stuff
link all download traffic going through one path and all upload traffic
coming through the other path.

On Tue, Dec 6, 2016 at 1:25 PM, Kurt Fankhauser 
wrote:

> Paul,
>
> I have done this before and it works pretty easily. So if you want to send
> half the traffic through the one backhaul and then half through another
> path, just manually adjust the metric cost on the routers that are on the
> closer hop count to a higher value until it is the same exact cost for
> traffic to go both paths. Then it will evenly split the traffic between
> paths. You have to be careuful that both backhauls have the same capacity
> otherwise if one starts to peak out (might be running lower modulation) you
> may get some weird results.
>
> On Tue, Dec 6, 2016 at 12:48 PM, Carl Peterson  > wrote:
>
>> That solution is brilliant.
>>
>> On Tue, Dec 6, 2016 at 12:15 PM, Faisal Imtiaz 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Here's an article about some innovative way to do this...
>>>
>>> http://www.stubarea51.net/2016/10/27/wisp-design-using-ospf-
>>> to-build-a-transit-fabric-over-unequal-links/
>>>
>>> Regards
>>>
>>> Faisal Imtiaz
>>> Snappy Internet & Telecom
>>> 7266 SW 48 Street
>>> Miami, FL 33155
>>> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232
>>>
>>> Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net
>>>
>>> --
>>>
>>> *From: *"Paul McCall" 
>>> *To: *af@afmug.com
>>> *Sent: *Tuesday, December 6, 2016 11:33:42 AM
>>> *Subject: *[AFMUG] Splitting Network Traffic in an OSPF environment
>>>
>>> Did get to finish this…
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Paul McCall
>>> *Sent:* Tuesday, December 6, 2016 11:32 AM
>>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>>> *Subject:* [AFMUG] Splitting Network Traffic in an OSPF enviroment
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> We have a “feed tower” that feeds several other towers (some directly,
>>> some a hop or 2 away) and its main BH (AirFiber 5x) is nearing capacity.
>>> All 3.65 spectrum is used up, and same with 5 Ghz.  The secondary that sits
>>> largely unused (non-preferred OSPF path) has about 100Mbit capacity and we
>>> would like to somehow split our load from the feed tower.   All the
>>> “subtowers” are on their own subnet(s) all running OSPF on a Mikrotik at
>>> each tower.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> OSPF pretty much is all or nothing when picking a path.  There has to be
>>> a simple way of making this work.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Paul
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Paul McCall, President
>>>
>>> PDMNet, Inc. / Florida Broadband, Inc.
>>>
>>> 658 Old Dixie Highway
>>>
>>> Vero Beach, FL 32962
>>>
>>> 772-564-6800
>>>
>>> pa...@pdmnet.net
>>>
>>> www.pdmnet.com
>>>
>>> www.floridabroadband.com
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>> --
>>
>> Carl Peterson
>>
>> *PORT NETWORKS*
>>
>> 401 E Pratt St, Ste 2553
>>
>> Baltimore, MD 21202
>>
>> (410) 637-3707
>>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Splitting Network Traffic in an OSPF environment

[Kurt Fankhauser]

Paul,

I have done this before and it works pretty easily. So if you want to send
half the traffic through the one backhaul and then half through another
path, just manually adjust the metric cost on the routers that are on the
closer hop count to a higher value until it is the same exact cost for
traffic to go both paths. Then it will evenly split the traffic between
paths. You have to be careuful that both backhauls have the same capacity
otherwise if one starts to peak out (might be running lower modulation) you
may get some weird results.

On Tue, Dec 6, 2016 at 12:48 PM, Carl Peterson 
wrote:

> That solution is brilliant.
>
> On Tue, Dec 6, 2016 at 12:15 PM, Faisal Imtiaz 
> wrote:
>
>> Here's an article about some innovative way to do this...
>>
>> http://www.stubarea51.net/2016/10/27/wisp-design-using-ospf-
>> to-build-a-transit-fabric-over-unequal-links/
>>
>> Regards
>>
>> Faisal Imtiaz
>> Snappy Internet & Telecom
>> 7266 SW 48 Street
>> Miami, FL 33155
>> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232
>>
>> Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net
>>
>> --
>>
>> *From: *"Paul McCall" 
>> *To: *af@afmug.com
>> *Sent: *Tuesday, December 6, 2016 11:33:42 AM
>> *Subject: *[AFMUG] Splitting Network Traffic in an OSPF environment
>>
>> Did get to finish this…
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Paul McCall
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, December 6, 2016 11:32 AM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* [AFMUG] Splitting Network Traffic in an OSPF enviroment
>>
>>
>>
>> We have a “feed tower” that feeds several other towers (some directly,
>> some a hop or 2 away) and its main BH (AirFiber 5x) is nearing capacity.
>> All 3.65 spectrum is used up, and same with 5 Ghz.  The secondary that sits
>> largely unused (non-preferred OSPF path) has about 100Mbit capacity and we
>> would like to somehow split our load from the feed tower.   All the
>> “subtowers” are on their own subnet(s) all running OSPF on a Mikrotik at
>> each tower.
>>
>>
>>
>> OSPF pretty much is all or nothing when picking a path.  There has to be
>> a simple way of making this work.
>>
>>
>>
>> Paul
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Paul McCall, President
>>
>> PDMNet, Inc. / Florida Broadband, Inc.
>>
>> 658 Old Dixie Highway
>>
>> Vero Beach, FL 32962
>>
>> 772-564-6800
>>
>> pa...@pdmnet.net
>>
>> www.pdmnet.com
>>
>> www.floridabroadband.com
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
> --
>
> Carl Peterson
>
> *PORT NETWORKS*
>
> 401 E Pratt St, Ste 2553
>
> Baltimore, MD 21202
>
> (410) 637-3707
>

[AFMUG] Germany's working fusion machine

[Josh Reynolds]

Tests confirm that Germany's massive nuclear fusion machine really works -
http://www.sciencealert.com/tests-confirm-that-germany-s-massive-nuclear-fusion-machine-really-works

Re: [AFMUG] Splitting Network Traffic in an OSPF environment

[Carl Peterson]

That solution is brilliant.

On Tue, Dec 6, 2016 at 12:15 PM, Faisal Imtiaz 
wrote:

> Here's an article about some innovative way to do this...
>
> http://www.stubarea51.net/2016/10/27/wisp-design-using-
> ospf-to-build-a-transit-fabric-over-unequal-links/
>
> Regards
>
> Faisal Imtiaz
> Snappy Internet & Telecom
> 7266 SW 48 Street
> Miami, FL 33155
> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232
>
> Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net
>
> --
>
> *From: *"Paul McCall" 
> *To: *af@afmug.com
> *Sent: *Tuesday, December 6, 2016 11:33:42 AM
> *Subject: *[AFMUG] Splitting Network Traffic in an OSPF environment
>
> Did get to finish this…
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Paul McCall
> *Sent:* Tuesday, December 6, 2016 11:32 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* [AFMUG] Splitting Network Traffic in an OSPF enviroment
>
>
>
> We have a “feed tower” that feeds several other towers (some directly,
> some a hop or 2 away) and its main BH (AirFiber 5x) is nearing capacity.
> All 3.65 spectrum is used up, and same with 5 Ghz.  The secondary that sits
> largely unused (non-preferred OSPF path) has about 100Mbit capacity and we
> would like to somehow split our load from the feed tower.   All the
> “subtowers” are on their own subnet(s) all running OSPF on a Mikrotik at
> each tower.
>
>
>
> OSPF pretty much is all or nothing when picking a path.  There has to be a
> simple way of making this work.
>
>
>
> Paul
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Paul McCall, President
>
> PDMNet, Inc. / Florida Broadband, Inc.
>
> 658 Old Dixie Highway
>
> Vero Beach, FL 32962
>
> 772-564-6800
>
> pa...@pdmnet.net
>
> www.pdmnet.com
>
> www.floridabroadband.com
>
>
>
>
>
>


-- 

Carl Peterson

*PORT NETWORKS*

401 E Pratt St, Ste 2553

Baltimore, MD 21202

(410) 637-3707

Re: [AFMUG] Splitting Network Traffic in an OSPF environment

[That One Guy /sarcasm]

we are doing it with static routes and ospf... dont do it with static
routes, it "works" but is really cumbersome and sucks, I hate it, and I
want to burn it, but the boss wont let me have matches since the incident

On Tue, Dec 6, 2016 at 11:15 AM, Faisal Imtiaz 
wrote:

> Here's an article about some innovative way to do this...
>
> http://www.stubarea51.net/2016/10/27/wisp-design-using-
> ospf-to-build-a-transit-fabric-over-unequal-links/
>
> Regards
>
> Faisal Imtiaz
> Snappy Internet & Telecom
> 7266 SW 48 Street
> Miami, FL 33155
> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 <(305)%20663-5518>
>
> Help-desk: (305)663-5518 <(305)%20663-5518> Option 2 or Email:
> supp...@snappytelecom.net
>
> --
>
> *From: *"Paul McCall" 
> *To: *af@afmug.com
> *Sent: *Tuesday, December 6, 2016 11:33:42 AM
> *Subject: *[AFMUG] Splitting Network Traffic in an OSPF environment
>
> Did get to finish this…
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Paul McCall
> *Sent:* Tuesday, December 6, 2016 11:32 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* [AFMUG] Splitting Network Traffic in an OSPF enviroment
>
>
>
> We have a “feed tower” that feeds several other towers (some directly,
> some a hop or 2 away) and its main BH (AirFiber 5x) is nearing capacity.
> All 3.65 spectrum is used up, and same with 5 Ghz.  The secondary that sits
> largely unused (non-preferred OSPF path) has about 100Mbit capacity and we
> would like to somehow split our load from the feed tower.   All the
> “subtowers” are on their own subnet(s) all running OSPF on a Mikrotik at
> each tower.
>
>
>
> OSPF pretty much is all or nothing when picking a path.  There has to be a
> simple way of making this work.
>
>
>
> Paul
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Paul McCall, President
>
> PDMNet, Inc. / Florida Broadband, Inc.
>
> 658 Old Dixie Highway
>
> Vero Beach, FL 32962
>
> 772-564-6800 <(772)%20564-6800>
>
> pa...@pdmnet.net
>
> www.pdmnet.com
>
> www.floridabroadband.com
>
>
>
>
>
>


-- 
If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] Splitting Network Traffic in an OSPF environment

[Faisal Imtiaz]

Here's an article about some innovative way to do this... 

http://www.stubarea51.net/2016/10/27/wisp-design-using-ospf-to-build-a-transit-fabric-over-unequal-links/
 

Regards 

Faisal Imtiaz 
Snappy Internet & Telecom 
7266 SW 48 Street 
Miami, FL 33155 
Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 

Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net 

> From: "Paul McCall" 
> To: af@afmug.com
> Sent: Tuesday, December 6, 2016 11:33:42 AM
> Subject: [AFMUG] Splitting Network Traffic in an OSPF environment

> Did get to finish this…

> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Paul McCall
> Sent: Tuesday, December 6, 2016 11:32 AM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: [AFMUG] Splitting Network Traffic in an OSPF enviroment

> We have a “feed tower” that feeds several other towers (some directly, some a
> hop or 2 away) and its main BH (AirFiber 5x) is nearing capacity. All 3.65
> spectrum is used up, and same with 5 Ghz. The secondary that sits largely
> unused (non-preferred OSPF path) has about 100Mbit capacity and we would like
> to somehow split our load from the feed tower. All the “subtowers” are on 
> their
> own subnet(s) all running OSPF on a Mikrotik at each tower.

> OSPF pretty much is all or nothing when picking a path. There has to be a 
> simple
> way of making this work.

> Paul

> Paul McCall, President

> PDMNet, Inc. / Florida Broadband, Inc.

> 658 Old Dixie Highway

> Vero Beach, FL 32962

> 772-564-6800

> pa...@pdmnet.net

> www.pdmnet.com

> www.floridabroadband.com

Re: [AFMUG] Splitting Network Traffic in an OSPF environment

[Paul McCall]

It looks straightforward.  Any downside or special considerations?

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Dennis Burgess
Sent: Tuesday, December 6, 2016 11:35 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Splitting Network Traffic in an OSPF environment

ECMP easy enough. ;)


Dennis Burgess - Network Solution Engineer - Consultant
MikroTik Certified 
Trainer/Consultant
 - MTCNA, MTCRE, MTCWE, MTCTCE, MTCINE

For Wireless Hardware/Routers visit www.linktechs.net
Radio Frequiency Coverages: www.towercoverage.com
Office: 314-735-0270
E-Mail: dmburg...@linktechs.net

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Paul McCall
Sent: Tuesday, December 6, 2016 10:34 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] Splitting Network Traffic in an OSPF environment

Did get to finish this...

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Paul McCall
Sent: Tuesday, December 6, 2016 11:32 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] Splitting Network Traffic in an OSPF enviroment

We have a "feed tower" that feeds several other towers (some directly, some a 
hop or 2 away) and its main BH (AirFiber 5x) is nearing capacity.  All 3.65 
spectrum is used up, and same with 5 Ghz.  The secondary that sits largely 
unused (non-preferred OSPF path) has about 100Mbit capacity and we would like 
to somehow split our load from the feed tower.   All the "subtowers" are on 
their own subnet(s) all running OSPF on a Mikrotik at each tower.

OSPF pretty much is all or nothing when picking a path.  There has to be a 
simple way of making this work.

Paul



Paul McCall, President
PDMNet, Inc. / Florida Broadband, Inc.
658 Old Dixie Highway
Vero Beach, FL 32962
772-564-6800
pa...@pdmnet.net
www.pdmnet.com
www.floridabroadband.com

Re: [AFMUG] Splitting Network Traffic in an OSPF environment

[Dave]

+1
Paul, we have a couple of these towers you mention. So, I do feel your pain.


On 12/06/2016 10:34 AM, Dennis Burgess wrote:


ECMP easy enough. ;)

*/_Dennis Burgess_/**�**Network Solution Engineer � Consultant ***

MikroTik Certified Trainer/Consultant 
 � 
MTCNA, MTCRE, MTCWE, MTCTCE, MTCINE


For Wireless Hardware/Routers visit www.linktechs.net 



Radio Frequiency Coverages: www.towercoverage.com 



Office: 314-735-0270

E-Mail: dmburg...@linktechs.net 

*From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Paul McCall
*Sent:* Tuesday, December 6, 2016 10:34 AM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* [AFMUG] Splitting Network Traffic in an OSPF environment

Did get to finish this�

*From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Paul McCall
*Sent:* Tuesday, December 6, 2016 11:32 AM
*To:* af@afmug.com 
*Subject:* [AFMUG] Splitting Network Traffic in an OSPF enviroment

We have a �feed tower� that feeds several other towers (some directly, 
some a hop or 2 away) and its main BH (AirFiber 5x) is nearing 
capacity.  All 3.65 spectrum is used up, and same with 5 Ghz.  The 
secondary that sits largely unused (non-preferred OSPF path) has about 
100Mbit capacity and we would like to somehow split our load from the 
feed tower.   All the �subtowers� are on their own subnet(s) all 
running OSPF on a Mikrotik at each tower.


OSPF pretty much is all or nothing when picking a path.  There has to 
be a simple way of making this work.


Paul

Paul McCall, President

PDMNet, Inc. / Florida Broadband, Inc.

658 Old Dixie Highway

Vero Beach, FL 32962

772-564-6800

pa...@pdmnet.net 

www.pdmnet.com 

www.floridabroadband.com 



--

Re: [AFMUG] Splitting Network Traffic in an OSPF environment

[Dennis Burgess]

ECMP easy enough. ;)


Dennis Burgess - Network Solution Engineer - Consultant
MikroTik Certified 
Trainer/Consultant
 - MTCNA, MTCRE, MTCWE, MTCTCE, MTCINE

For Wireless Hardware/Routers visit www.linktechs.net
Radio Frequiency Coverages: www.towercoverage.com
Office: 314-735-0270
E-Mail: dmburg...@linktechs.net

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Paul McCall
Sent: Tuesday, December 6, 2016 10:34 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] Splitting Network Traffic in an OSPF environment

Did get to finish this...

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Paul McCall
Sent: Tuesday, December 6, 2016 11:32 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] Splitting Network Traffic in an OSPF enviroment

We have a "feed tower" that feeds several other towers (some directly, some a 
hop or 2 away) and its main BH (AirFiber 5x) is nearing capacity.  All 3.65 
spectrum is used up, and same with 5 Ghz.  The secondary that sits largely 
unused (non-preferred OSPF path) has about 100Mbit capacity and we would like 
to somehow split our load from the feed tower.   All the "subtowers" are on 
their own subnet(s) all running OSPF on a Mikrotik at each tower.

OSPF pretty much is all or nothing when picking a path.  There has to be a 
simple way of making this work.

Paul



Paul McCall, President
PDMNet, Inc. / Florida Broadband, Inc.
658 Old Dixie Highway
Vero Beach, FL 32962
772-564-6800
pa...@pdmnet.net
www.pdmnet.com
www.floridabroadband.com

[AFMUG] Splitting Network Traffic in an OSPF environment

[Paul McCall]

Did get to finish this...

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Paul McCall
Sent: Tuesday, December 6, 2016 11:32 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] Splitting Network Traffic in an OSPF enviroment

We have a "feed tower" that feeds several other towers (some directly, some a 
hop or 2 away) and its main BH (AirFiber 5x) is nearing capacity.  All 3.65 
spectrum is used up, and same with 5 Ghz.  The secondary that sits largely 
unused (non-preferred OSPF path) has about 100Mbit capacity and we would like 
to somehow split our load from the feed tower.   All the "subtowers" are on 
their own subnet(s) all running OSPF on a Mikrotik at each tower.

OSPF pretty much is all or nothing when picking a path.  There has to be a 
simple way of making this work.

Paul



Paul McCall, President
PDMNet, Inc. / Florida Broadband, Inc.
658 Old Dixie Highway
Vero Beach, FL 32962
772-564-6800
pa...@pdmnet.net
www.pdmnet.com
www.floridabroadband.com

[AFMUG] Splitting Network Traffic in an OSPF enviroment

[Paul McCall]

We have a "feed tower" that feeds several other towers (some directly, some a 
hop or 2 away) and its main BH (AirFiber 5x) is nearing capacity.  All 3.65 
spectrum is used up, and same with 5 Ghz.  The secondary that sits largely 
unused (non-preferred OSPF path) has about 100Mbit capacity and we would like 
to somehow split our load from the feed tower.   All the "subtowers" are on 
their own subnet(s).



Paul McCall, President
PDMNet, Inc. / Florida Broadband, Inc.
658 Old Dixie Highway
Vero Beach, FL 32962
772-564-6800
pa...@pdmnet.net
www.pdmnet.com
www.floridabroadband.com

Re: [AFMUG] UniFi AC-Lite auto frequency

[Josh Reynolds]

If the SNR on the ptp link is good, an AC Lite isn't going to knock it
offline.

On Dec 6, 2016 8:50 AM, "Joe Novak"  wrote:

> Last I knew unifi just selects the 'best' channel it can at boot time.
>
> On Mon, Dec 5, 2016 at 10:47 PM, Ken Hohhof  wrote:
>
>> I have a business customer on a 5 GHz Cambium 450 SM that gets knocked
>> off the air almost every day at 7pm and often at 7am.  The times are not
>> random, 12 or 24 hours intervals.  And inbetween, the link is solid, good
>> signal, good SNR, good modulation.  No degradation immediately before or
>> after losing registration.
>>
>>
>>
>> It turns out their IT guy has installed two Nanostation Locos linking to
>> other buildings, and recently replaced their WiFi with a UniFi AC-Lite with
>> frequency set to AUTO.
>>
>>
>>
>> Does anyone know if UniFi APs do anything that might be causing this?
>> Like rescan for auto frequency selection every 12 hours?
>>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Cloud.xclaimwireless.com down?

[Nate Burke]

I Found a post on their forum that they're having issues this morning, 
and All Ap's are blinking red.


This is why I both Love and Hate 'The Cloud'

I love it that it's someone else's problem to figure out and Fix.
I hate that I can't fix it and just have to sit here until someone else 
does.


On 12/6/2016 9:32 AM, Nate Burke wrote:
I can login but then just have a spinning circle and won't load any AP 
data.  Tried multiple browsers with the same issue.


Of Course, this morning is when a customer is calling about an AP 
that's not working.

Re: [AFMUG] attn: mhoppes + netonix + flow control

[Kurt Fankhauser]

when is that "issue" going to be addressed by Ubiquiti? I have alot of
Airfiber links up but I havn't turned on the Flow Control setting on any of
them yet.

On Tue, Dec 6, 2016 at 8:22 AM, Faisal Imtiaz 
wrote:

> See enclosed...
>
> And keep in mind that there is an 'issue' with UBNT Airfibers causing
> pause frame storms...
>
> Regards.
>
> Faisal Imtiaz
> Snappy Internet & Telecom
> 7266 SW 48 Street
> Miami, FL 33155
> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 <(305)%20663-5518>
>
> Help-desk: (305)663-5518 <(305)%20663-5518> Option 2 or Email:
> supp...@snappytelecom.net
>
> --
>
> *From: *"Josh Baird" 
> *To: *af@afmug.com
> *Sent: *Tuesday, December 6, 2016 7:43:15 AM
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] attn: mhoppes + netonix + flow control
>
> Which counters are you specifically talking about, Faisal?
>
> On Mon, Dec 5, 2016 at 8:44 PM, Faisal Imtiaz 
> wrote:
>
>> Mama says... "Flow Control is the Devil "  !!
>>
>> in all seriousness, Flow Control is a powerful setting, which can hurt or
>> solve issues, depending on a lot of what if's.
>>
>> With the netonix, they way to see if you need flow control or if it is on
>> is to do BW tests on the link (i.e. force a large amount of traffic across)
>> and look at the Port stats (counters)
>> you will be able to see if you need it and or what is the effect of it,
>> being on or off
>>
>> :)
>>
>> Regards.
>>
>> Faisal Imtiaz
>> Snappy Internet & Telecom
>> 7266 SW 48 Street
>> Miami, FL 33155
>> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 <(305)%20663-5518>
>>
>> Help-desk: (305)663-5518 <(305)%20663-5518> Option 2 or Email:
>> supp...@snappytelecom.net
>>
>> --
>>
>> *From: *"CBB - Jay Fuller" 
>> *To: *af@afmug.com
>> *Sent: *Monday, December 5, 2016 6:02:02 PM
>> *Subject: *[AFMUG] attn: mhoppes + netonix + flow control
>>
>>
>> Upgraded firmware, this was certainly hurting our system.  Speed
>> complaints galmore.
>> Upon further investiation we discovered flow control was turned on
>> automatically on a netonix upgrade.
>> Researched our backhauls, ran speed tests between mikrotiks, etc, etc,
>> things were certainly slower.
>> Enabled flow control on the mimosa backhauls we have ; no effect.
>>
>> Rolled it all back over the weekend (but forgot where i'd read in the
>> forum netonix enabled flow control at some point)
>> found it tonight and immediately speeds are up by 33%  (we were doing
>> 90-100 meg, now doing 120-120, at peak
>> times should be doing 200+)
>>
>> just sharing...
>>
>> ALSO - noticed on the mimoas although we had flow control enabled, the
>> switch apparently never saw it.  It has an icon
>> for flow control and the EPMP radios we have showed it was enabled but
>> although it was enabled on the mimoas the
>> netonix never showed the flow control icon by the mimoas radios
>>
>>
>>
>>
>

[AFMUG] Cloud.xclaimwireless.com down?

[Nate Burke]

I can login but then just have a spinning circle and won't load any AP 
data.  Tried multiple browsers with the same issue.


Of Course, this morning is when a customer is calling about an AP that's 
not working.

Re: [AFMUG] Are DFS Hits on EPMP Normal?

[Nate Burke]

I dropped the radios back to 2.6.2.1 and haven't taken a DFS hit yet.  
Looks like it is an issue with newer firmware.


On 12/5/2016 5:26 PM, George Skorup wrote:

Yeah, 2.6.2.1 still seems to be the most stable.

On 12/5/2016 1:35 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:

It's kind of a shot...or short?

Make sure you're in 2.6.2.1 for DFS.  3.0 and 3.1 have DFS issues.  I 
didn't know this 3.2 came out this weekend, not sure if DFS was fixed 
along with elevate being added.



Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Mon, Dec 5, 2016 at 2:09 PM, Bill Prince > wrote:


1.8 miles is kind of short at 5 GHz. What kind of RSL are you
talking about? You can create your own DFS hits if the power is
set too high.


bp



On 12/5/2016 11:02 AM, Nate Burke wrote:

I just installed an EPMP link in PTP mode running due
north/south about 40 miles west of Chicago.  I put it in 5.4
since the spectrum was completely clear. It continually is
moving frequency (every couple hours) from DFS Events, is
that normal? Before I had multiple frequencies enabled, it
would go out of service for hours at a time.

The Radio can also be working, then when I put it under load
with like a linktest from the SM, it immediately detects
radar and shutsdown.

EPMP 5 ghz GPS units on both ends, Force 110 dishs. 1.8 mile
link distance  3.2 firmware.  20 and 40mhz channels tried.

I've always been afraid of running in 5.4 for this reason,
where things will just stop working. Apparently my worries
were justified.  Or is something else going on?

Re: [AFMUG] Are DFS Hits on EPMP Normal?

[Joe Novak]

I upgraded a sector array and 40 CPEs last Friday to 3.2. I have been
slacking on updating the epmp stuff so I had lots of different firmware out
there. I'm not running DFS for ptmp at this site. it's humming along good.
no complaints through the weekend.

Re: [AFMUG] UniFi AC-Lite auto frequency

[Joe Novak]

Last I knew unifi just selects the 'best' channel it can at boot time.

On Mon, Dec 5, 2016 at 10:47 PM, Ken Hohhof  wrote:

> I have a business customer on a 5 GHz Cambium 450 SM that gets knocked off
> the air almost every day at 7pm and often at 7am.  The times are not
> random, 12 or 24 hours intervals.  And inbetween, the link is solid, good
> signal, good SNR, good modulation.  No degradation immediately before or
> after losing registration.
>
>
>
> It turns out their IT guy has installed two Nanostation Locos linking to
> other buildings, and recently replaced their WiFi with a UniFi AC-Lite with
> frequency set to AUTO.
>
>
>
> Does anyone know if UniFi APs do anything that might be causing this?
> Like rescan for auto frequency selection every 12 hours?
>

[AFMUG] R201P routers

[Dave]

Is anyone out there deploying lots of these?
 If so do you have any that are turning into bricks or locking up?
I have about a dozen or more in this condition and just wondering if 
there is way to use the usb to
serial connect and upload a new boot image to allow for new firmware to 
load.


If not where is the nearest green recycle dumpster.

I find its not worth the time to enter over a dozen macs or serials to 
try and send in for replacement or repair.

Thanks
Dave

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Re: [AFMUG] attn: mhoppes + netonix + flow control

[Faisal Imtiaz]

See enclosed... 

And keep in mind that there is an 'issue' with UBNT Airfibers causing pause 
frame storms... 

Regards. 

Faisal Imtiaz 
Snappy Internet & Telecom 
7266 SW 48 Street 
Miami, FL 33155 
Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 

Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net 

> From: "Josh Baird" 
> To: af@afmug.com
> Sent: Tuesday, December 6, 2016 7:43:15 AM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] attn: mhoppes + netonix + flow control

> Which counters are you specifically talking about, Faisal?

> On Mon, Dec 5, 2016 at 8:44 PM, Faisal Imtiaz < fai...@snappytelecom.net >
> wrote:

>> Mama says... "Flow Control is the Devil " !!

>> in all seriousness, Flow Control is a powerful setting, which can hurt or 
>> solve
>> issues, depending on a lot of what if's.

>> With the netonix, they way to see if you need flow control or if it is on is 
>> to
>> do BW tests on the link (i.e. force a large amount of traffic across) and 
>> look
>> at the Port stats (counters)
>> you will be able to see if you need it and or what is the effect of it, 
>> being on
>> or off

>> :)

>> Regards.

>> Faisal Imtiaz
>> Snappy Internet & Telecom
>> 7266 SW 48 Street
>> Miami, FL 33155
>> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232

>> Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net

>>> From: "CBB - Jay Fuller" < par...@cyberbroadband.net >
>>> To: af@afmug.com
>>> Sent: Monday, December 5, 2016 6:02:02 PM
>>> Subject: [AFMUG] attn: mhoppes + netonix + flow control

>>> Upgraded firmware, this was certainly hurting our system. Speed complaints
>>> galmore.
>>> Upon further investiation we discovered flow control was turned on 
>>> automatically
>>> on a netonix upgrade.
>>> Researched our backhauls, ran speed tests between mikrotiks, etc, etc, 
>>> things
>>> were certainly slower.
>>> Enabled flow control on the mimosa backhauls we have ; no effect.
>>> Rolled it all back over the weekend (but forgot where i'd read in the forum
>>> netonix enabled flow control at some point)
>>> found it tonight and immediately speeds are up by 33% (we were doing 90-100 
>>> meg,
>>> now doing 120-120, at peak
>>> times should be doing 200+)
>>> just sharing...
>>> ALSO - noticed on the mimoas although we had flow control enabled, the 
>>> switch
>>> apparently never saw it. It has an icon
>>> for flow control and the EPMP radios we have showed it was enabled but 
>>> although
>>> it was enabled on the mimoas the
>>> netonix never showed the flow control icon by the mimoas radios

Re: [AFMUG] attn: mhoppes + netonix + flow control

[Josh Baird]

Which counters are you specifically talking about, Faisal?

On Mon, Dec 5, 2016 at 8:44 PM, Faisal Imtiaz 
wrote:

> Mama says... "Flow Control is the Devil "  !!
>
> in all seriousness, Flow Control is a powerful setting, which can hurt or
> solve issues, depending on a lot of what if's.
>
> With the netonix, they way to see if you need flow control or if it is on
> is to do BW tests on the link (i.e. force a large amount of traffic across)
> and look at the Port stats (counters)
> you will be able to see if you need it and or what is the effect of it,
> being on or off
>
> :)
>
> Regards.
>
> Faisal Imtiaz
> Snappy Internet & Telecom
> 7266 SW 48 Street
> Miami, FL 33155
> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 <(305)%20663-5518>
>
> Help-desk: (305)663-5518 <(305)%20663-5518> Option 2 or Email:
> supp...@snappytelecom.net
>
> --
>
> *From: *"CBB - Jay Fuller" 
> *To: *af@afmug.com
> *Sent: *Monday, December 5, 2016 6:02:02 PM
> *Subject: *[AFMUG] attn: mhoppes + netonix + flow control
>
>
> Upgraded firmware, this was certainly hurting our system.  Speed
> complaints galmore.
> Upon further investiation we discovered flow control was turned on
> automatically on a netonix upgrade.
> Researched our backhauls, ran speed tests between mikrotiks, etc, etc,
> things were certainly slower.
> Enabled flow control on the mimosa backhauls we have ; no effect.
>
> Rolled it all back over the weekend (but forgot where i'd read in the
> forum netonix enabled flow control at some point)
> found it tonight and immediately speeds are up by 33%  (we were doing
> 90-100 meg, now doing 120-120, at peak
> times should be doing 200+)
>
> just sharing...
>
> ALSO - noticed on the mimoas although we had flow control enabled, the
> switch apparently never saw it.  It has an icon
> for flow control and the EPMP radios we have showed it was enabled but
> although it was enabled on the mimoas the
> netonix never showed the flow control icon by the mimoas radios
>
>
>
>