Re: [AFMUG] odd mt behavior

[Jesse Dupont]

If the UBNT CPEs are M series (XM or XW), is WDS enabled on both the APs and 
CPEs?






On Fri, Feb 10, 2017 at 12:28 PM -0700, "Cameron Crum"  
wrote:










I have a customer who is having an odd issue on several MTs. His DHCP server is 
using radius to auth end users. The mac requests a lease, radius replies with 
accept and a Framed-IP, but the lease in the dchp server just says offered and 
never binds the lease. It is not with every customer, but it seems to happening 
randomly on several routers. version is 6.36. I had them look to see if was a 
particular end user router brand, or even the same type of cpe, but other than 
all cpe's being some flavor of ubnt set up in bridge mode, there doesn't seem 
to be a pattern. The dhcp server is set up on a bridge interface in the MT, add 
arp for leases, reply-only. I'm out of ideas on what would cause this. The ip 
is within the range of ips assigned to the interface. IP Pools is set to static 
only. Anyone seen this before?

Re: [AFMUG] EPMP1000 Heater POE Polarity

[That One Guy /sarcasm]

With 24 volts it's known to be a startup issue. We have a site with a 24
volt ps on syncinjector, in extreme cold even a software restart is enough
downtime it won't come back up, just cycles, had to stick a cambium Poe on
it. The GPS is also unstable at 24 v

On Feb 10, 2017 5:03 PM, "George Skorup"  wrote:

> What is that heating? I forget. Flash, RAM or both? And does the ePMP 2k
> have a heater? That's 48v only, so I assume it's a non-issue anyway.
> On 2/10/2017 4:40 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
>
> I see from the Cambium FAQ that a connectorized ePMP can take up to 20
> minutes to heat up if it’s really, really cold outside.  That has to feel
> like an eternity.
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] *On
> Behalf Of *Josh Luthman
> *Sent:* Friday, February 10, 2017 4:32 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] EPMP1000 Heater POE Polarity
>
>
>
> Powered up just fine for us with a 750p yesterday.  Two of them.  It was
> like 15*?
>
>
>
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340 <(937)%20552-2340>
> Direct: 937-552-2343 <(937)%20552-2343>
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
>
>
> On Fri, Feb 10, 2017 at 5:26 PM, Ken Hohhof  wrote:
>
> Where are you testing?  It's like 40 degrees outside.  I assume you are
> testing in a freezer?
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Nate Burke
>
> Sent: Friday, February 10, 2017 3:47 PM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] EPMP1000 Heater POE Polarity
>
> I would like some confirmation, because I think that I'm repeating the
> test now and coming up with different results.  Like the heater isn't
> kicking on with either polarity now.
>
> On 2/10/2017 3:39 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
> > You'd think after Trango's miserable experience with preheaters in their
> 5830 series radios, no one would do that ever again.
> >
> > I know I didn't answer your question, but it sounds like you've already
> answered it and are just looking for confirmation.
> >
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Nate Burke
> > Sent: Friday, February 10, 2017 3:13 PM
> > To: Animal Farm 
> > Subject: [AFMUG] EPMP1000 Heater POE Polarity
> >
> > I've been running some tests with Cold startup of EPMP1000 w/ sync
> > Radios.  Does the Internal heater only function with 4/5-  7/8+?  A
> > cold radio (18F) radio will power on but seems stuck in a reboot loop
> > with 4/5+  7/8-  The same radio powered on and booted within 2 minutes
> > or so with 4/5- 7/8+
> >
> > Power draw with 4/5+ 7/8- was around 4w, and would randomly spike to
> around 15w The power light would stay on, but sync and ethernet lights
> would go on and off, like it was continually rebooting.
> >
> > Power draw with 4/5- 7/8+ was a solid 15w for about 2 minutes with only
> the power light on, then 4w once booted.
> >
> > I just presumed that since it would power on with both polarities, the
> heater would work with both polarities as well.  It's looking like that
> might not be the case.
> >
> >
>
>
>
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] ePMP Reboot

[Mike Hammett]

Winner, winner, chicken dinner! 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 




- Original Message -

From: "Mathew Howard"  
To: "af"  
Sent: Friday, February 10, 2017 6:33:51 PM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ePMP Reboot 


Like so... 


snmpset -v 2c -c private 192.168.0.1 1.3.6.1.4.1.17713.21.4.1.0 i 1 



On Fri, Feb 10, 2017 at 6:20 PM, Mathew Howard < mhoward...@gmail.com > wrote: 



SNMP reboot works sometimes when they're misbehaving 



On Fri, Feb 10, 2017 at 6:08 PM, Josh Reynolds < j...@kyneticwifi.com > wrote: 





Why can't you remotely reboot it? Toggle power on the switch? 




On Feb 10, 2017 6:02 PM, "Mike Hammett" < af...@ics-il.net > wrote: 




I have a radio out there with 2.4.2 on it. It's misbehaving, but I can't login 
on the web interface to reboot it. I SSH in, but the reboot command doesn't 
actually reboot this radio (it does another 2.4.2 radio). The syslog is full of 
out of memory errors, apparently so out of memory I can't reboot it. Any 
suggestions other than a power cycle? It isn't an emergency, so I wouldn't be 
able to get to the site for a power cycle before I forgot about this whole 
thing. 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 

Re: [AFMUG] ePMP Reboot

[Mike Hammett]

Downtown-GrandeReserve>show syslog 
May 24 09:19:01 Downtown-GrandeReserve kernel: Out of memory: kill process 
22694 (luci) score 36 or a child 
May 24 09:19:01 Downtown-GrandeReserve kernel: Killed process 22694 (luci) 
May 24 09:19:30 Downtown-GrandeReserve kernel: Out of memory: kill process 
22699 (luci) score 47 or a child 
May 24 09:19:30 Downtown-GrandeReserve kernel: Killed process 22700 (sh) 
May 24 09:19:30 Downtown-GrandeReserve kernel: Out of memory: kill process 
22701 (json-config) score 43 or a child 
May 24 09:19:30 Downtown-GrandeReserve kernel: Killed process 22701 
(json-config) 
May 24 09:19:30 Downtown-GrandeReserve kernel: Out of memory: kill process 
22699 (luci) score 42 or a child 
May 24 09:19:30 Downtown-GrandeReserve kernel: Killed process 22702 (sh) 
May 24 09:19:30 Downtown-GrandeReserve kernel: Out of memory: kill process 
22699 (luci) score 38 or a child 
May 24 09:19:30 Downtown-GrandeReserve kernel: Killed process 22699 (luci) 
May 24 09:21:09 Downtown-GrandeReserve kernel: Out of memory: kill process 
22716 (clish) score 551 or a child 
May 24 09:21:09 Downtown-GrandeReserve kernel: Killed process 22730 (lua) 
May 24 09:21:09 Downtown-GrandeReserve kernel: Out of memory: kill process 
22716 (clish) score 334 or a child 
May 24 09:21:09 Downtown-GrandeReserve kernel: Killed process 22716 (clish) 
May 24 09:23:53 Downtown-GrandeReserve kernel: Out of memory: kill process 
22908 (snmpset) score 929 or a child 
May 24 09:23:53 Downtown-GrandeReserve kernel: Killed process 22908 (snmpset) 
May 24 09:24:10 Downtown-GrandeReserve kernel: Out of memory: kill process 
22914 (snmpset) score 928 or a child 
May 24 09:24:10 Downtown-GrandeReserve kernel: Killed process 22914 (snmpset) 
May 24 09:27:52 Downtown-GrandeReserve kernel: Out of memory: kill process 
22856 (clish) score 334 or a child 
May 24 09:27:52 Downtown-GrandeReserve kernel: Killed process 22856 (clish) 
May 24 09:27:56 Downtown-GrandeReserve kernel: Out of memory: kill process 
22997 (hotplug-call) score 35 or a child 
May 24 09:27:56 Downtown-GrandeReserve kernel: Killed process 23001 
(hotplug-call) 
May 24 09:27:56 Downtown-GrandeReserve kernel: Out of memory: kill process 
22985 (hotplug-call) score 33 or a child 
May 24 09:27:56 Downtown-GrandeReserve kernel: Killed process 22997 
(hotplug-call) 
May 24 09:27:56 Downtown-GrandeReserve kernel: Out of memory: kill process 
23003 (hotplug-call) score 35 or a child 
May 24 09:27:56 Downtown-GrandeReserve kernel: Killed process 23005 
(hotplug-call) 
May 24 09:27:56 Downtown-GrandeReserve kernel: Out of memory: kill process 
22985 (hotplug-call) score 33 or a child 
May 24 09:27:56 Downtown-GrandeReserve kernel: Killed process 23003 
(hotplug-call) 
May 24 09:29:53 Downtown-GrandeReserve kernel: Out of memory: kill process 
23041 (lua) score 595 or a child 
May 24 09:29:53 Downtown-GrandeReserve kernel: Killed process 23042 (sh) 
May 24 09:29:53 Downtown-GrandeReserve kernel: Out of memory: kill process 
23030 (clish) score 548 or a child 
May 24 09:29:53 Downtown-GrandeReserve kernel: Killed process 23041 (lua) 
May 24 09:29:53 Downtown-GrandeReserve kernel: Out of memory: kill process 
23030 (clish) score 334 or a child 
May 24 09:29:53 Downtown-GrandeReserve kernel: Killed process 23030 (clish) 
May 24 09:31:26 Downtown-GrandeReserve kernel: Out of memory: kill process 
23180 (snmpset) score 936 or a child 
May 24 09:31:26 Downtown-GrandeReserve kernel: Killed process 23180 (snmpset) 
May 24 09:32:49 Downtown-GrandeReserve kernel: Out of memory: kill process 
23195 (snmpset) score 938 or a child 
May 24 09:32:49 Downtown-GrandeReserve kernel: Killed process 23195 (snmpset) 
May 24 09:45:55 Downtown-GrandeReserve kernel: Out of memory: kill process 
23161 (clish) score 334 or a child 
May 24 09:45:55 Downtown-GrandeReserve kernel: Killed process 23161 (clish) 
May 24 09:45:57 Downtown-GrandeReserve kernel: Out of memory: kill process 
23389 (hotplug-call) score 35 or a child 
May 24 09:45:57 Downtown-GrandeReserve kernel: Killed process 23393 
(hotplug-call) 
May 24 09:45:57 Downtown-GrandeReserve kernel: Out of memory: kill process 
23377 (hotplug-call) score 33 or a child 
May 24 09:45:57 Downtown-GrandeReserve kernel: Killed process 23389 
(hotplug-call) 
May 24 09:45:57 Downtown-GrandeReserve kernel: Out of memory: kill process 
23394 (hotplug-call) score 35 or a child 
May 24 09:45:57 Downtown-GrandeReserve kernel: Killed process 23396 
(hotplug-call) 
May 24 09:45:57 Downtown-GrandeReserve kernel: Out of memory: kill process 
23377 (hotplug-call) score 33 or a child 
May 24 09:45:57 Downtown-GrandeReserve kernel: Killed process 23394 
(hotplug-call) 
May 24 09:46:01 Downtown-GrandeReserve kernel: Out of memory: kill process 
23378 (clean_conntrack) score 33 or a child 
May 24 09:46:01 Downtown-GrandeReserve kernel: Killed process 23392 (sleep) 
May 24 09:46:01 Downtown-GrandeReserve kernel: Out of memory: kill process 
23400 (clean_conntrack) score 32 or a 

Re: [AFMUG] ePMP Reboot

[Mike Hammett]

I don't have a means to do so. No switches. 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 




- Original Message -

From: "Josh Reynolds"  
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Friday, February 10, 2017 6:08:02 PM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ePMP Reboot 


Why can't you remotely reboot it? Toggle power on the switch? 


On Feb 10, 2017 6:02 PM, "Mike Hammett" < af...@ics-il.net > wrote: 




I have a radio out there with 2.4.2 on it. It's misbehaving, but I can't login 
on the web interface to reboot it. I SSH in, but the reboot command doesn't 
actually reboot this radio (it does another 2.4.2 radio). The syslog is full of 
out of memory errors, apparently so out of memory I can't reboot it. Any 
suggestions other than a power cycle? It isn't an emergency, so I wouldn't be 
able to get to the site for a power cycle before I forgot about this whole 
thing. 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 

Re: [AFMUG] So i got shafted by Cambium and a PTP820S

[Jaime Solorza]

Because Gino is a member of new exciting products cognoscenti, that's
why...

On Feb 10, 2017 5:48 PM, "Lewis Bergman"  wrote:

> Gino uses a large number of different gear.
>
> On Fri, Feb 10, 2017, 5:51 PM Craig Schmaderer 
> wrote:
>
>> Gino I thought you were a SAF man. ;)
>>
>>
>> --
>> *From:* Af  on behalf of Jon Bruce <
>> jbruce-af...@ptpbroadband.com>
>> *Sent:* Friday, February 10, 2017 1:36:18 PM
>>
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] So i got shafted by Cambium and a PTP820S
>> Yes. Piping Hot still shows up in some MAC lookups.
>>
>> On 2/10/2017 2:34 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
>>
>> I remember my first PTP400 link I went out of my way to buy from
>> Orthogon, rather than the relabeled Motorola version.  It was just a matter
>> of weeks and the press release came out that Motorola had bought them.
>> Wasn’t the legal name something like Piping Hot Networks Ltd.?
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] *On
>> Behalf Of *That One Guy /sarcasm
>> *Sent:* Friday, February 10, 2017 1:20 PM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] So i got shafted by Cambium and a PTP820S
>>
>>
>>
>> SAF is excellent in this regard, and the warranty is a relatively
>> inexpensive insurance policy
>>
>>
>>
>> Cambium has never been as shitty to customers as motorola, but pretty
>> close
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Feb 10, 2017 at 12:40 PM, Seth Mattinen 
>> wrote:
>>
>> On 2/10/17 10:36, Seth Mattinen wrote:
>>
>> On 2/10/17 10:32, Gino Villarini wrote:
>>
>> Bought our first PTP820S for 6ghz High, one unit came faulty from
>> factory.  I have to wait 30 days for replacement� geez�
>>
>> So Cambium is not stocking replacement radios? I guess this is what
>> happens wen you relabel Ceragon�
>>
>> My MW business is going elsewhere�
>>
>>
>>
>> I don't think 6GHz band gear is highly stocked by anyone. Why didn't you
>> buy spares? =P
>>
>>
>>
>> Actually I should correct myself in that SAF will stock spares if you pay
>> for their next day replacement plan. Otherwise you have to send it back to
>> them for repair with a turnaround of about 4 weeks.
>>
>> ~Seth
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>>
>> If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team
>> as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
>>
>>

Re: [AFMUG] So i got shafted by Cambium and a PTP820S

[Lewis Bergman]

Gino uses a large number of different gear.

On Fri, Feb 10, 2017, 5:51 PM Craig Schmaderer 
wrote:

> Gino I thought you were a SAF man. ;)
>
>
> --
> *From:* Af  on behalf of Jon Bruce <
> jbruce-af...@ptpbroadband.com>
> *Sent:* Friday, February 10, 2017 1:36:18 PM
>
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] So i got shafted by Cambium and a PTP820S
> Yes. Piping Hot still shows up in some MAC lookups.
>
> On 2/10/2017 2:34 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
>
> I remember my first PTP400 link I went out of my way to buy from Orthogon,
> rather than the relabeled Motorola version.  It was just a matter of weeks
> and the press release came out that Motorola had bought them.  Wasn’t the
> legal name something like Piping Hot Networks Ltd.?
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] *On
> Behalf Of *That One Guy /sarcasm
> *Sent:* Friday, February 10, 2017 1:20 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] So i got shafted by Cambium and a PTP820S
>
>
>
> SAF is excellent in this regard, and the warranty is a relatively
> inexpensive insurance policy
>
>
>
> Cambium has never been as shitty to customers as motorola, but pretty close
>
>
>
>
>
> On Fri, Feb 10, 2017 at 12:40 PM, Seth Mattinen 
> wrote:
>
> On 2/10/17 10:36, Seth Mattinen wrote:
>
> On 2/10/17 10:32, Gino Villarini wrote:
>
> Bought our first PTP820S for 6ghz High, one unit came faulty from
> factory.  I have to wait 30 days for replacement� geez�
>
> So Cambium is not stocking replacement radios? I guess this is what
> happens wen you relabel Ceragon�
>
> My MW business is going elsewhere�
>
>
>
> I don't think 6GHz band gear is highly stocked by anyone. Why didn't you
> buy spares? =P
>
>
>
> Actually I should correct myself in that SAF will stock spares if you pay
> for their next day replacement plan. Otherwise you have to send it back to
> them for repair with a turnaround of about 4 weeks.
>
> ~Seth
>
>
>
>
>
> --
>
> If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team
> as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] ePMP Reboot

[Mathew Howard]

Like so...

snmpset -v 2c -c private 192.168.0.1 1.3.6.1.4.1.17713.21.4.1.0 i 1

On Fri, Feb 10, 2017 at 6:20 PM, Mathew Howard  wrote:

> SNMP reboot works sometimes when they're misbehaving
>
> On Fri, Feb 10, 2017 at 6:08 PM, Josh Reynolds 
> wrote:
>
>> Why can't you remotely reboot it? Toggle power on the switch?
>>
>> On Feb 10, 2017 6:02 PM, "Mike Hammett"  wrote:
>>
>>> I have a radio out there with 2.4.2 on it. It's misbehaving, but I can't
>>> login on the web interface to reboot it. I SSH in, but the reboot command
>>> doesn't actually reboot this radio (it does another 2.4.2 radio). The
>>> syslog is full of out of memory errors, apparently so out of memory I can't
>>> reboot it. Any suggestions other than a power cycle? It isn't an emergency,
>>> so I wouldn't be able to get to the site for a power cycle before I forgot
>>> about this whole thing.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -
>>> Mike Hammett
>>> Intelligent Computing Solutions 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Midwest Internet Exchange 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> The Brothers WISP 
>>> 
>>>
>>>
>>> 
>>>
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] ePMP Reboot

[Mathew Howard]

SNMP reboot works sometimes when they're misbehaving

On Fri, Feb 10, 2017 at 6:08 PM, Josh Reynolds  wrote:

> Why can't you remotely reboot it? Toggle power on the switch?
>
> On Feb 10, 2017 6:02 PM, "Mike Hammett"  wrote:
>
>> I have a radio out there with 2.4.2 on it. It's misbehaving, but I can't
>> login on the web interface to reboot it. I SSH in, but the reboot command
>> doesn't actually reboot this radio (it does another 2.4.2 radio). The
>> syslog is full of out of memory errors, apparently so out of memory I can't
>> reboot it. Any suggestions other than a power cycle? It isn't an emergency,
>> so I wouldn't be able to get to the site for a power cycle before I forgot
>> about this whole thing.
>>
>>
>>
>> -
>> Mike Hammett
>> Intelligent Computing Solutions 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Midwest Internet Exchange 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> The Brothers WISP 
>> 
>>
>>
>> 
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] ePMP Reboot

[Josh Reynolds]

Why can't you remotely reboot it? Toggle power on the switch?

On Feb 10, 2017 6:02 PM, "Mike Hammett"  wrote:

> I have a radio out there with 2.4.2 on it. It's misbehaving, but I can't
> login on the web interface to reboot it. I SSH in, but the reboot command
> doesn't actually reboot this radio (it does another 2.4.2 radio). The
> syslog is full of out of memory errors, apparently so out of memory I can't
> reboot it. Any suggestions other than a power cycle? It isn't an emergency,
> so I wouldn't be able to get to the site for a power cycle before I forgot
> about this whole thing.
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Midwest Internet Exchange 
> 
> 
> 
> The Brothers WISP 
> 
>
>
> 
>

[AFMUG] ePMP Reboot

[Mike Hammett]

I have a radio out there with 2.4.2 on it. It's misbehaving, but I can't login 
on the web interface to reboot it. I SSH in, but the reboot command doesn't 
actually reboot this radio (it does another 2.4.2 radio). The syslog is full of 
out of memory errors, apparently so out of memory I can't reboot it. Any 
suggestions other than a power cycle? It isn't an emergency, so I wouldn't be 
able to get to the site for a power cycle before I forgot about this whole 
thing. 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 

Re: [AFMUG] So i got shafted by Cambium and a PTP820S

[Craig Schmaderer]

Gino I thought you were a SAF man. ;)



From: Af  on behalf of Jon Bruce 

Sent: Friday, February 10, 2017 1:36:18 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] So i got shafted by Cambium and a PTP820S

Yes. Piping Hot still shows up in some MAC lookups.

On 2/10/2017 2:34 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
I remember my first PTP400 link I went out of my way to buy from Orthogon, 
rather than the relabeled Motorola version.  It was just a matter of weeks and 
the press release came out that Motorola had bought them.  Wasn’t the legal 
name something like Piping Hot Networks Ltd.?


From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of That One Guy /sarcasm
Sent: Friday, February 10, 2017 1:20 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] So i got shafted by Cambium and a PTP820S

SAF is excellent in this regard, and the warranty is a relatively inexpensive 
insurance policy

Cambium has never been as shitty to customers as motorola, but pretty close



On Fri, Feb 10, 2017 at 12:40 PM, Seth Mattinen 
> wrote:
On 2/10/17 10:36, Seth Mattinen wrote:
On 2/10/17 10:32, Gino Villarini wrote:
Bought our first PTP820S for 6ghz High, one unit came faulty from
factory.  I have to wait 30 days for replacement� geez�

So Cambium is not stocking replacement radios? I guess this is what
happens wen you relabel Ceragon�

My MW business is going elsewhere�


I don't think 6GHz band gear is highly stocked by anyone. Why didn't you
buy spares? =P


Actually I should correct myself in that SAF will stock spares if you pay for 
their next day replacement plan. Otherwise you have to send it back to them for 
repair with a turnaround of about 4 weeks.

~Seth



--
If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as 
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] EPMP1000 Heater POE Polarity

[George Skorup]

What is that heating? I forget. Flash, RAM or both? And does the ePMP 2k 
have a heater? That's 48v only, so I assume it's a non-issue anyway.


On 2/10/2017 4:40 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:


I see from the Cambium FAQ that a connectorized ePMP can take up to 20 
minutes to heat up if it’s really, really cold outside.  That has to 
feel like an eternity.


*From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Josh Luthman
*Sent:* Friday, February 10, 2017 4:32 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] EPMP1000 Heater POE Polarity

Powered up just fine for us with a 750p yesterday.  Two of them.  It 
was like 15*?



Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Fri, Feb 10, 2017 at 5:26 PM, Ken Hohhof > wrote:


Where are you testing?  It's like 40 degrees outside.  I assume
you are testing in a freezer?


-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com
] On Behalf Of Nate Burke

Sent: Friday, February 10, 2017 3:47 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] EPMP1000 Heater POE Polarity

I would like some confirmation, because I think that I'm repeating
the test now and coming up with different results.  Like the
heater isn't kicking on with either polarity now.

On 2/10/2017 3:39 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
> You'd think after Trango's miserable experience with preheaters
in their 5830 series radios, no one would do that ever again.
>
> I know I didn't answer your question, but it sounds like you've
already answered it and are just looking for confirmation.
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com
] On Behalf Of Nate Burke
> Sent: Friday, February 10, 2017 3:13 PM
> To: Animal Farm >
> Subject: [AFMUG] EPMP1000 Heater POE Polarity
>
> I've been running some tests with Cold startup of EPMP1000 w/ sync
> Radios.  Does the Internal heater only function with 4/5-  7/8+?  A
> cold radio (18F) radio will power on but seems stuck in a reboot
loop
> with 4/5+  7/8-  The same radio powered on and booted within 2
minutes
> or so with 4/5- 7/8+
>
> Power draw with 4/5+ 7/8- was around 4w, and would randomly
spike to around 15w The power light would stay on, but sync and
ethernet lights would go on and off, like it was continually
rebooting.
>
> Power draw with 4/5- 7/8+ was a solid 15w for about 2 minutes
with only the power light on, then 4w once booted.
>
> I just presumed that since it would power on with both
polarities, the heater would work with both polarities as well. 
It's looking like that might not be the case.

>
>

Re: [AFMUG] EPMP1000 Heater POE Polarity

[Nate Burke]

New update.  It looks like the heater may only kick on with 30V.  At 
24V, it was cycling.  Bumped power to 30V and it it drew 15w and 
booted.  It seemed to work with both polarities.  Waiting for radios to 
cool down now to test again (they're sitting in the freezer)


Using 100W 24v power supply, and WBMFG GIGE-POE-APC for poe Injection.  
(Jumpers set to only power on 4/5 7/8)


On 2/10/2017 4:00 PM, Mathew Howard wrote:
I'm 99% sure I've seen the heater run with +4/5 -7/8... I know I've 
watched the power draw changing on an RB750UP (which would be +4/5), 
but there is a very, very small chance that I had the power pairs swapped.


On Fri, Feb 10, 2017 at 3:49 PM, That One Guy /sarcasm 
> wrote:


if this is the case, wouldnt 4 cheap diodes always ensure the
heater polarity is correct?

On Fri, Feb 10, 2017 at 3:46 PM, Nate Burke > wrote:

I would like some confirmation, because I think that I'm
repeating the test now and coming up with different results. 
Like the heater isn't kicking on with either polarity now.



On 2/10/2017 3:39 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:

You'd think after Trango's miserable experience with
preheaters in their 5830 series radios, no one would do
that ever again.

I know I didn't answer your question, but it sounds like
you've already answered it and are just looking for
confirmation.


-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com
] On Behalf Of Nate Burke
Sent: Friday, February 10, 2017 3:13 PM
To: Animal Farm >
Subject: [AFMUG] EPMP1000 Heater POE Polarity

I've been running some tests with Cold startup of EPMP1000
w/ sync Radios.  Does the Internal heater only function
with 4/5- 7/8+?  A cold radio (18F) radio will power on
but seems stuck in a reboot loop with 4/5+  7/8-  The same
radio powered on and booted within 2 minutes or so with
4/5- 7/8+

Power draw with 4/5+ 7/8- was around 4w, and would
randomly spike to around 15w The power light would stay
on, but sync and ethernet lights would go on and off, like
it was continually rebooting.

Power draw with 4/5- 7/8+ was a solid 15w for about 2
minutes with only the power light on, then 4w once booted.

I just presumed that since it would power on with both
polarities, the heater would work with both polarities as
well.  It's looking like that might not be the case.






-- 
If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see

your team as part of yourself you have already failed as part of
the team.

Re: [AFMUG] EPMP1000 Heater POE Polarity

[Ken Hohhof]

I see from the Cambium FAQ that a connectorized ePMP can take up to 20 minutes 
to heat up if it’s really, really cold outside.  That has to feel like an 
eternity.

 

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman
Sent: Friday, February 10, 2017 4:32 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] EPMP1000 Heater POE Polarity

 

Powered up just fine for us with a 750p yesterday.  Two of them.  It was like 
15*?




 

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

 

On Fri, Feb 10, 2017 at 5:26 PM, Ken Hohhof  > wrote:

Where are you testing?  It's like 40 degrees outside.  I assume you are testing 
in a freezer?


-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com  ] On Behalf 
Of Nate Burke

Sent: Friday, February 10, 2017 3:47 PM
To: af@afmug.com  
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] EPMP1000 Heater POE Polarity

I would like some confirmation, because I think that I'm repeating the test now 
and coming up with different results.  Like the heater isn't kicking on with 
either polarity now.

On 2/10/2017 3:39 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
> You'd think after Trango's miserable experience with preheaters in their 5830 
> series radios, no one would do that ever again.
>
> I know I didn't answer your question, but it sounds like you've already 
> answered it and are just looking for confirmation.
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com  ] On 
> Behalf Of Nate Burke
> Sent: Friday, February 10, 2017 3:13 PM
> To: Animal Farm  >
> Subject: [AFMUG] EPMP1000 Heater POE Polarity
>
> I've been running some tests with Cold startup of EPMP1000 w/ sync
> Radios.  Does the Internal heater only function with 4/5-  7/8+?  A
> cold radio (18F) radio will power on but seems stuck in a reboot loop
> with 4/5+  7/8-  The same radio powered on and booted within 2 minutes
> or so with 4/5- 7/8+
>
> Power draw with 4/5+ 7/8- was around 4w, and would randomly spike to around 
> 15w The power light would stay on, but sync and ethernet lights would go on 
> and off, like it was continually rebooting.
>
> Power draw with 4/5- 7/8+ was a solid 15w for about 2 minutes with only the 
> power light on, then 4w once booted.
>
> I just presumed that since it would power on with both polarities, the heater 
> would work with both polarities as well.  It's looking like that might not be 
> the case.
>
>




 

Re: [AFMUG] EPMP1000 Heater POE Polarity

[Josh Luthman]

Powered up just fine for us with a 750p yesterday.  Two of them.  It was
like 15*?


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Fri, Feb 10, 2017 at 5:26 PM, Ken Hohhof  wrote:

> Where are you testing?  It's like 40 degrees outside.  I assume you are
> testing in a freezer?
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Nate Burke
> Sent: Friday, February 10, 2017 3:47 PM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] EPMP1000 Heater POE Polarity
>
> I would like some confirmation, because I think that I'm repeating the
> test now and coming up with different results.  Like the heater isn't
> kicking on with either polarity now.
>
> On 2/10/2017 3:39 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
> > You'd think after Trango's miserable experience with preheaters in their
> 5830 series radios, no one would do that ever again.
> >
> > I know I didn't answer your question, but it sounds like you've already
> answered it and are just looking for confirmation.
> >
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Nate Burke
> > Sent: Friday, February 10, 2017 3:13 PM
> > To: Animal Farm 
> > Subject: [AFMUG] EPMP1000 Heater POE Polarity
> >
> > I've been running some tests with Cold startup of EPMP1000 w/ sync
> > Radios.  Does the Internal heater only function with 4/5-  7/8+?  A
> > cold radio (18F) radio will power on but seems stuck in a reboot loop
> > with 4/5+  7/8-  The same radio powered on and booted within 2 minutes
> > or so with 4/5- 7/8+
> >
> > Power draw with 4/5+ 7/8- was around 4w, and would randomly spike to
> around 15w The power light would stay on, but sync and ethernet lights
> would go on and off, like it was continually rebooting.
> >
> > Power draw with 4/5- 7/8+ was a solid 15w for about 2 minutes with only
> the power light on, then 4w once booted.
> >
> > I just presumed that since it would power on with both polarities, the
> heater would work with both polarities as well.  It's looking like that
> might not be the case.
> >
> >
>
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] EPMP1000 Heater POE Polarity

[Ken Hohhof]

Where are you testing?  It's like 40 degrees outside.  I assume you are testing 
in a freezer?


-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Nate Burke
Sent: Friday, February 10, 2017 3:47 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] EPMP1000 Heater POE Polarity

I would like some confirmation, because I think that I'm repeating the test now 
and coming up with different results.  Like the heater isn't kicking on with 
either polarity now.

On 2/10/2017 3:39 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
> You'd think after Trango's miserable experience with preheaters in their 5830 
> series radios, no one would do that ever again.
>
> I know I didn't answer your question, but it sounds like you've already 
> answered it and are just looking for confirmation.
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Nate Burke
> Sent: Friday, February 10, 2017 3:13 PM
> To: Animal Farm 
> Subject: [AFMUG] EPMP1000 Heater POE Polarity
>
> I've been running some tests with Cold startup of EPMP1000 w/ sync 
> Radios.  Does the Internal heater only function with 4/5-  7/8+?  A 
> cold radio (18F) radio will power on but seems stuck in a reboot loop 
> with 4/5+  7/8-  The same radio powered on and booted within 2 minutes 
> or so with 4/5- 7/8+
>
> Power draw with 4/5+ 7/8- was around 4w, and would randomly spike to around 
> 15w The power light would stay on, but sync and ethernet lights would go on 
> and off, like it was continually rebooting.
>
> Power draw with 4/5- 7/8+ was a solid 15w for about 2 minutes with only the 
> power light on, then 4w once booted.
>
> I just presumed that since it would power on with both polarities, the heater 
> would work with both polarities as well.  It's looking like that might not be 
> the case.
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Netgear funny business

[Brian Sullivan]

Funny.
Once we figured out the power supplies that came with GS108t switches 
are horrible and found a replacement, we can't argue with what works.  
We aren't kind to them either, they see some environmentally unfriendly 
conditions.


On 2/10/2017 1:15 PM, Eric Kuhnke wrote:
I wouldn't put "we have used netgear around our network" on a public 
forum that's searchable and associated to your name, but that's just 
me...


scary.

On Fri, Feb 10, 2017 at 10:56 AM, Brian Sullivan 
> wrote:


We have used Netgear around our network in places.  Mostly
positive results. What other vendor would you suggest that isn't
cutting corners like this?


On 2/10/2017 12:45 PM, Forrest Christian (List Account) wrote:

Looking at these more...

FPE H20202DL-R
Is a dual 10/100 magnetics... So 4 pairs. This would work for a
single gigabit port

FPE H40520MN
Is a quad 10/100 magnetics, so 8 pairs - this would work for two
gigabit ports

I've also looked at the specs for these... seem like they're
close enough to gigabit to work.

So as much as I would like to complain about cutting corners,
this is one of those cases where I don't see any obvious problems
with this.


On Fri, Feb 10, 2017 at 11:18 AM, > wrote:

There are three, one of one part number and two of the other.
*From:* Forrest Christian (List Account)
*Sent:* Friday, February 10, 2017 11:15 AM
*To:* af
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Netgear funny business
I've found that in the effort to make gigabit things cheap,
one of the main ways people cut corners are to use the worlds
cheapest magnetics which mostly work.  This is amazingly
prevalent in the PoE market, as I've found that it's pretty
common for the cheap vendors to use a chinese knockoff of an
already questionable set of magnetics. Usually *not* rated
for PoE, but works in many circumstances.   I really wish I
wasn't a vendor because I'd do a set of videos about some of
my competition and the horrible sins they've committed in
this regards.
In this case it looks like they might taken a 'dual 10/100'
magnetics and used them for gigabit which assuming all the
specs are fine might actually work since 'dual' really means
'4 pair'.   Is there one set of these for each port?
-forrest
On Fri, Feb 10, 2017 at 8:51 AM,  wrote:

Took apart a brand new netgear GS205v2 router.  It says 5
port gig router.
Interesting that the ethernet magnetics inside will only
do 100 mbps...



-- 
*Forrest Christian* /CEO//, PacketFlux Technologies, Inc./

Tel: 406-449-3345 | Address: 3577 Countryside Road, Helena,
MT 59602
forre...@imach.com | http://www.packetflux.com


 





-- 
*Forrest Christian* /CEO//, PacketFlux Technologies, Inc./

Tel: 406-449-3345 | Address: 3577 Countryside Road, Helena, MT 59602
forre...@imach.com  |
http://www.packetflux.com 

 

Re: [AFMUG] EPMP1000 Heater POE Polarity

[Ken Hohhof]

You'd think after Trango's miserable experience with preheaters in their 5830 
series radios, no one would do that ever again.

I know I didn't answer your question, but it sounds like you've already 
answered it and are just looking for confirmation.


-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Nate Burke
Sent: Friday, February 10, 2017 3:13 PM
To: Animal Farm 
Subject: [AFMUG] EPMP1000 Heater POE Polarity

I've been running some tests with Cold startup of EPMP1000 w/ sync Radios.  
Does the Internal heater only function with 4/5-  7/8+?  A cold radio (18F) 
radio will power on but seems stuck in a reboot loop with 4/5+  7/8-  The same 
radio powered on and booted within 2 minutes or so with 4/5- 7/8+

Power draw with 4/5+ 7/8- was around 4w, and would randomly spike to around 15w 
The power light would stay on, but sync and ethernet lights would go on and 
off, like it was continually rebooting.

Power draw with 4/5- 7/8+ was a solid 15w for about 2 minutes with only the 
power light on, then 4w once booted.

I just presumed that since it would power on with both polarities, the heater 
would work with both polarities as well.  It's looking like that might not be 
the case.

Re: [AFMUG] EPMP1000 Heater POE Polarity

[chuck]

Reminds me of Trango.

-Original Message- 
From: Nate Burke 
Sent: Friday, February 10, 2017 2:12 PM 
To: Animal Farm 
Subject: [AFMUG] EPMP1000 Heater POE Polarity 

I've been running some tests with Cold startup of EPMP1000 w/ sync 
Radios.  Does the Internal heater only function with 4/5-  7/8+?  A cold 
radio (18F) radio will power on but seems stuck in a reboot loop with 
4/5+  7/8-  The same radio powered on and booted within 2 minutes or so 
with 4/5- 7/8+


Power draw with 4/5+ 7/8- was around 4w, and would randomly spike to 
around 15w The power light would stay on, but sync and ethernet lights 
would go on and off, like it was continually rebooting.


Power draw with 4/5- 7/8+ was a solid 15w for about 2 minutes with only 
the power light on, then 4w once booted.


I just presumed that since it would power on with both polarities, the 
heater would work with both polarities as well.  It's looking like that 
might not be the case.

Re: [AFMUG] 23 GHz microwave licensing in Mexico

[chuck]

License!
License!
we don’t need no stinkin’ license!

From: Chris Herrington 
Sent: Friday, February 10, 2017 12:06 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: [AFMUG] 23 GHz microwave licensing in Mexico

Anyone here do PTP Microwave Licensing in Mexico or have contacts for someone 
that does?

 

Thanks, Chris H

 

Chris Herrington, PMP, RCDD/OSP Specialist

FCC Lic. # PG-11-19440



Full Spectrum Communications

Consulting, Engineering, Installation

Communications & Electrical Contractor #450317

US Mail: PO Box 60905 Irvine CA 92602

Visit us at: 420 Exchange, Suite 270  Irvine, CA  92602

800-897-7287, 714-897-3789 Chris Cell 714-309-8714

ch...@fsc.com

http://www.fsc.com

 

 

[AFMUG] EPMP1000 Heater POE Polarity

[Nate Burke]

I've been running some tests with Cold startup of EPMP1000 w/ sync 
Radios.  Does the Internal heater only function with 4/5-  7/8+?  A cold 
radio (18F) radio will power on but seems stuck in a reboot loop with 
4/5+  7/8-  The same radio powered on and booted within 2 minutes or so 
with 4/5- 7/8+


Power draw with 4/5+ 7/8- was around 4w, and would randomly spike to 
around 15w The power light would stay on, but sync and ethernet lights 
would go on and off, like it was continually rebooting.


Power draw with 4/5- 7/8+ was a solid 15w for about 2 minutes with only 
the power light on, then 4w once booted.


I just presumed that since it would power on with both polarities, the 
heater would work with both polarities as well.  It's looking like that 
might not be the case.

Re: [AFMUG] Raid Controller Recommendations

[Nate Burke]

I picked up an LSI 9240.  It says it has win10 software, and was <$100.  
Hopefully it will work.


On 2/10/2017 12:13 AM, Rory Conaway wrote:


You can’t go wrong with Adaptec.  We use it on our desktops for 
accounting.


Rory

*From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Nate Burke
*Sent:* Thursday, February 9, 2017 9:18 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Raid Controller Recommendations

This is for a single, stand alone machine, very low storage usage, 
just want to cover a HD failure.


On 2/9/2017 9:42 PM, Josh Reynolds wrote:

Agreed.

Software Storage FTW. (ZFS, Ceph, GlusterFS, etc)

On Thu, Feb 9, 2017 at 8:11 PM, Mike Hammett > wrote:

Hardware RAID is indeed for suckers. ZFS or something like that
for the win.

Well, RAID is obsolete. You shouldn't even be running RAID
controllers with ZFS, only HBAs. The file system is far more
intelligent and capable than a hardware controller.



-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions 


Midwest Internet Exchange 


The Brothers WISP 







*From: *"Trey Scarborough" >
*To: *af@afmug.com 
*Sent: *Thursday, February 9, 2017 8:07:24 PM
*Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Raid Controller Recommendations

If it is for network attached storage I would recommend against
hardware
raid and use btrfs or zfs. I have to many issues with corrupted raid
information on drives. The advances with these file systems make raid
almost obsolete.

On 2/9/2017 10:42 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
> Drives are cheap.  RAID 1 is obsolete.  Buy 2 more drives and
use something like RAID 10?
>
> AFAIK yes Adaptec and LSI are still the main players.  I have
one server with Adaptec RAID but the place I ordered it from now
seems to only carry LSI, not sure why.  Some of those cards can
throw off a lot of heat and adding fans to the chassis may make
sense, especially if it's a 1U server, many servers don't have all
the fans populated by default and adding 1-2 more may not cost much.
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com
] On Behalf Of Nate Burke
> Sent: Thursday, February 9, 2017 10:18 AM
> To: Animal Farm >
> Subject: [AFMUG] Raid Controller Recommendations
>
> I'm looking for a simple hardware raid controller to setup 2
drives in Raid 1.  The motherboard has the ICH9R controller which
can do Raid1, but it looks like the monitoring software isn't
compatible with Windows
> 10 (I just bricked the box trying to install an older version)
>
> It's been a while since I've purchased raid cards.  I think my
last one's were 3ware, which is now LSI.  Are Adaptec and LSI
still the main players?
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] 23 GHz microwave licensing in Mexico

[Jaime Solorza]

As for Miguel Fernandez Tell him I recommended them.
https://g.co/kgs/SQN7Oc

On Feb 10, 2017 12:07 PM, "Chris Herrington"  wrote:

Anyone here do PTP Microwave Licensing in Mexico or have contacts for
someone that does?



Thanks, Chris H



Chris Herrington, PMP, RCDD/OSP Specialist

FCC Lic. # PG-11-19440

[image: cid:image001.jpg@01CE86F2.B9D9CF30]

Full Spectrum Communications

Consulting, Engineering, Installation

Communications & Electrical Contractor #450317

US Mail: PO Box 60905 Irvine CA 92602

Visit us at: 420 Exchange, Suite 270  Irvine, CA  92602

800-897-7287 <(800)%20897-7287>, 714-897-3789 <(714)%20897-3789> Chris Cell
714-309-8714 <(714)%20309-8714>

ch...@fsc.com

http://www.fsc.com

Re: [AFMUG] So i got shafted by Cambium and a PTP820S

[Jon Bruce]

Yes. Piping Hot still shows up in some MAC lookups.

On 2/10/2017 2:34 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:


I remember my first PTP400 link I went out of my way to buy from 
Orthogon, rather than the relabeled Motorola version. It was just a 
matter of weeks and the press release came out that Motorola had 
bought them.  Wasn’t the legal name something like Piping Hot Networks 
Ltd.?


*From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *That One Guy 
/sarcasm

*Sent:* Friday, February 10, 2017 1:20 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] So i got shafted by Cambium and a PTP820S

SAF is excellent in this regard, and the warranty is a relatively 
inexpensive insurance policy


Cambium has never been as shitty to customers as motorola, but pretty 
close


On Fri, Feb 10, 2017 at 12:40 PM, Seth Mattinen > wrote:


On 2/10/17 10:36, Seth Mattinen wrote:

On 2/10/17 10:32, Gino Villarini wrote:

Bought our first PTP820S for 6ghz High, one unit came
faulty from
factory.  I have to wait 30 days for replacement� geez�

So Cambium is not stocking replacement radios? I guess
this is what
happens wen you relabel Ceragon�

My MW business is going elsewhere�



I don't think 6GHz band gear is highly stocked by anyone. Why
didn't you
buy spares? =P



Actually I should correct myself in that SAF will stock spares if
you pay for their next day replacement plan. Otherwise you have to
send it back to them for repair with a turnaround of about 4 weeks.

~Seth



--

If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your 
team as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] So i got shafted by Cambium and a PTP820S

[Ken Hohhof]

I remember my first PTP400 link I went out of my way to buy from Orthogon, 
rather than the relabeled Motorola version.  It was just a matter of weeks and 
the press release came out that Motorola had bought them.  Wasn’t the legal 
name something like Piping Hot Networks Ltd.?

 

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of That One Guy /sarcasm
Sent: Friday, February 10, 2017 1:20 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] So i got shafted by Cambium and a PTP820S

 

SAF is excellent in this regard, and the warranty is a relatively inexpensive 
insurance policy

 

Cambium has never been as shitty to customers as motorola, but pretty close

 

 

 

On Fri, Feb 10, 2017 at 12:40 PM, Seth Mattinen  > wrote:

On 2/10/17 10:36, Seth Mattinen wrote:

On 2/10/17 10:32, Gino Villarini wrote:

Bought our first PTP820S for 6ghz High, one unit came faulty from
factory.  I have to wait 30 days for replacement� geez�

So Cambium is not stocking replacement radios? I guess this is what
happens wen you relabel Ceragon�

My MW business is going elsewhere�



I don't think 6GHz band gear is highly stocked by anyone. Why didn't you
buy spares? =P



Actually I should correct myself in that SAF will stock spares if you pay for 
their next day replacement plan. Otherwise you have to send it back to them for 
repair with a turnaround of about 4 weeks.

~Seth





 

-- 

If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as 
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

[AFMUG] odd mt behavior

[Cameron Crum]

I have a customer who is having an odd issue on several MTs. His DHCP
server is using radius to auth end users. The mac requests a lease, radius
replies with accept and a Framed-IP, but the lease in the dchp server just
says offered and never binds the lease. It is not with every customer, but
it seems to happening randomly on several routers. version is 6.36. I had
them look to see if was a particular end user router brand, or even the
same type of cpe, but other than all cpe's being some flavor of ubnt set up
in bridge mode, there doesn't seem to be a pattern. The dhcp server is set
up on a bridge interface in the MT, add arp for leases, reply-only. I'm out
of ideas on what would cause this. The ip is within the range of ips
assigned to the interface. IP Pools is set to static only. Anyone seen this
before?

Re: [AFMUG] So i got shafted by Cambium and a PTP820S

[That One Guy /sarcasm]

SAF is excellent in this regard, and the warranty is a relatively
inexpensive insurance policy

Cambium has never been as shitty to customers as motorola, but pretty close



On Fri, Feb 10, 2017 at 12:40 PM, Seth Mattinen  wrote:

> On 2/10/17 10:36, Seth Mattinen wrote:
>
>> On 2/10/17 10:32, Gino Villarini wrote:
>>
>>> Bought our first PTP820S for 6ghz High, one unit came faulty from
>>> factory.  I have to wait 30 days for replacement� geez�
>>>
>>> So Cambium is not stocking replacement radios? I guess this is what
>>> happens wen you relabel Ceragon�
>>>
>>> My MW business is going elsewhere�
>>>
>>>
>>
>> I don't think 6GHz band gear is highly stocked by anyone. Why didn't you
>> buy spares? =P
>>
>
>
> Actually I should correct myself in that SAF will stock spares if you pay
> for their next day replacement plan. Otherwise you have to send it back to
> them for repair with a turnaround of about 4 weeks.
>
> ~Seth
>



-- 
If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] So i got shafted by Cambium and a PTP820S

[Gino Villarini]

Tried, they don’t have stock…

From: Af > on behalf of Jon 
Langeler >
Reply-To: "af@afmug.com" 
>
Date: Friday, February 10, 2017 at 3:15 PM
To: "af@afmug.com" >
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] So i got shafted by Cambium and a PTP820S

Can you buy a new ODU quicker?

Jon Langeler
Michwave Technologies, Inc.





Gino Villarini


President
Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968

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On Feb 10, 2017, at 1:32 PM, Gino Villarini 
> wrote:

Bought our first PTP820S for 6ghz High, one unit came faulty from factory.  I 
have to wait 30 days for replacement… geez…

So Cambium is not stocking replacement radios? I guess this is what happens wen 
you relabel Ceragon…

My MW business is going elsewhere…



Gino Villarini


President
Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968

Re: [AFMUG] So i got shafted by Cambium and a PTP820S

[Jon Langeler]

Can you buy a new ODU quicker? 

Jon Langeler
Michwave Technologies, Inc.


> On Feb 10, 2017, at 1:32 PM, Gino Villarini  wrote:
> 
> Bought our first PTP820S for 6ghz High, one unit came faulty from factory.  I 
> have to wait 30 days for replacement… geez… 
> 
> So Cambium is not stocking replacement radios? I guess this is what happens 
> wen you relabel Ceragon… 
> 
> My MW business is going elsewhere… 
>  
> 
> Gino Villarini
> 
> President
> Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968
> 

Re: [AFMUG] Netgear funny business

[Eric Kuhnke]

I wouldn't put "we have used netgear around our network" on a public forum
that's searchable and associated to your name, but that's just me...

scary.

On Fri, Feb 10, 2017 at 10:56 AM, Brian Sullivan 
wrote:

> We have used Netgear around our network in places.  Mostly positive
> results.  What other vendor would you suggest that isn't cutting corners
> like this?
>
>
> On 2/10/2017 12:45 PM, Forrest Christian (List Account) wrote:
>
> Looking at these more...
>
> FPE H20202DL-R
> Is a dual 10/100 magnetics... So 4 pairs.   This would work for a single
> gigabit port
>
> FPE H40520MN
> Is a quad 10/100 magnetics, so 8 pairs - this would work for two gigabit
> ports
>
> I've also looked at the specs for these...  seem like they're close enough
> to gigabit to work.
>
> So as much as I would like to complain about cutting corners, this is one
> of those cases where I don't see any obvious problems with this.
>
>
> On Fri, Feb 10, 2017 at 11:18 AM,  wrote:
>
>> There are three, one of one part number and two of the other.
>>
>> *From:* Forrest Christian (List Account)
>> *Sent:* Friday, February 10, 2017 11:15 AM
>> *To:* af
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Netgear funny business
>>
>> I've found that in the effort to make gigabit things cheap, one of the
>> main ways people cut corners are to use the worlds cheapest magnetics which
>> mostly work.  This is amazingly prevalent in the PoE market, as I've found
>> that it's pretty common for the cheap vendors to use a chinese knockoff of
>> an already questionable set of magnetics.  Usually *not* rated for PoE, but
>> works in many circumstances.   I really wish I wasn't a vendor because I'd
>> do a set of videos about some of my competition and the horrible sins
>> they've committed in this regards.
>>
>> In this case it looks like they might taken a 'dual 10/100' magnetics and
>> used them for gigabit which assuming all the specs are fine might actually
>> work since 'dual' really means '4 pair'.   Is there one set of these for
>> each port?
>>
>> -forrest
>>
>> On Fri, Feb 10, 2017 at 8:51 AM,  wrote:
>>
>>> Took apart a brand new netgear GS205v2 router.  It says 5 port gig
>>> router.
>>> Interesting that the ethernet magnetics inside will only do 100 mbps...
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> *Forrest Christian* *CEO**, PacketFlux Technologies, Inc.*
>> Tel: 406-449-3345 | Address: 3577 Countryside Road, Helena, MT 59602
>> forre...@imach.com | http://www.packetflux.com
>> 
>>   
>>
>>
>
>
> --
> *Forrest Christian* *CEO**, PacketFlux Technologies, Inc.*
> Tel: 406-449-3345 | Address: 3577 Countryside Road, Helena, MT 59602
> forre...@imach.com | http://www.packetflux.com
>   
>   
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] So i got shafted by Cambium and a PTP820S

[Rory Conaway]

We had that happen with PTP5800's a while back.

rory

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jon Bruce
Sent: Friday, February 10, 2017 12:00 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] So i got shafted by Cambium and a PTP820S

We opted for Ceragon directly.� Three links and they've been nothing but 
perfect.� Support is fantastic as well.

Testing yesterday went through all three links and their associated switches (a 
3650, a 3550 and then a 3750) from laptop to laptop we were seeing 1.4 ms on 
PingPlotter (all layer 2 at this point).

The guys at Crossover did all the hard work with licensing and set up and 
training. We've been nothing but happy.
On 2/10/2017 1:32 PM, Gino Villarini wrote:
Bought our first PTP820S for 6ghz High, one unit came faulty from factory. �I 
have to wait 30 days for replacement� geez��

So Cambium is not stocking replacement radios? I guess this is what happens wen 
you relabel Ceragon��

My MW business is going elsewhere��

�

Gino Villarini

President

Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968


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[AFMUG] 23 GHz microwave licensing in Mexico

[Chris Herrington]

Anyone here do PTP Microwave Licensing in Mexico or have contacts for someone 
that does?

 

Thanks, Chris H

 

Chris Herrington, PMP, RCDD/OSP Specialist

FCC Lic. # PG-11-19440

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Full Spectrum Communications

Consulting, Engineering, Installation

Communications & Electrical Contractor #450317

US Mail: PO Box 60905 Irvine CA 92602

Visit us at: 420 Exchange, Suite 270  Irvine, CA  92602

800-897-7287, 714-897-3789 Chris Cell 714-309-8714

ch...@fsc.com

http://www.fsc.com  

 

 

Re: [AFMUG] Netgear funny business

[Mike Hammett]

I'm not a vendor and I love bashing vendors. Gimme the content. ;-) 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 




- Original Message -

From: "Forrest Christian (List Account)"  
To: "af"  
Sent: Friday, February 10, 2017 12:15:05 PM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Netgear funny business 


I've found that in the effort to make gigabit things cheap, one of the main 
ways people cut corners are to use the worlds cheapest magnetics which mostly 
work. This is amazingly prevalent in the PoE market, as I've found that it's 
pretty common for the cheap vendors to use a chinese knockoff of an already 
questionable set of magnetics. Usually *not* rated for PoE, but works in many 
circumstances. I really wish I wasn't a vendor because I'd do a set of videos 
about some of my competition and the horrible sins they've committed in this 
regards. 


In this case it looks like they might taken a 'dual 10/100' magnetics and used 
them for gigabit which assuming all the specs are fine might actually work 
since 'dual' really means '4 pair'. Is there one set of these for each port? 


-forrest 


On Fri, Feb 10, 2017 at 8:51 AM, < ch...@wbmfg.com > wrote: 






Took apart a brand new netgear GS205v2 router. It says 5 port gig router. 
Interesting that the ethernet magnetics inside will only do 100 mbps... 





-- 





Forrest Christian CEO , PacketFlux Technologies, Inc. 

Tel: 406-449-3345 | Address: 3577 Countryside Road, Helena, MT 59602 
forre...@imach.com | http://www.packetflux.com 

Re: [AFMUG] So i got shafted by Cambium and a PTP820S

[Jon Bruce]

We opted for Ceragon directly.  Three links and they've been nothing but 
perfect.  Support is fantastic as well.


Testing yesterday went through all three links and their associated 
switches (a 3650, a 3550 and then a 3750) from laptop to laptop we were 
seeing 1.4 ms on PingPlotter (all layer 2 at this point).


The guys at Crossover did all the hard work with licensing and set up 
and training. We've been nothing but happy.


On 2/10/2017 1:32 PM, Gino Villarini wrote:
Bought our first PTP820S for 6ghz High, one unit came faulty from 
factory.  I have to wait 30 days for replacement� geez�


So Cambium is not stocking replacement radios? I guess this is what 
happens wen you relabel Ceragon�


My MW business is going elsewhere�

*//*

*/Gino Villarini/*

President
Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968

Re: [AFMUG] Netgear funny business

[Brian Sullivan]

We have used Netgear around our network in places.  Mostly positive 
results.  What other vendor would you suggest that isn't cutting corners 
like this?


On 2/10/2017 12:45 PM, Forrest Christian (List Account) wrote:

Looking at these more...

FPE H20202DL-R
Is a dual 10/100 magnetics... So 4 pairs.   This would work for a 
single gigabit port


FPE H40520MN
Is a quad 10/100 magnetics, so 8 pairs - this would work for two 
gigabit ports


I've also looked at the specs for these...  seem like they're close 
enough to gigabit to work.


So as much as I would like to complain about cutting corners, this is 
one of those cases where I don't see any obvious problems with this.



On Fri, Feb 10, 2017 at 11:18 AM, > wrote:


There are three, one of one part number and two of the other.
*From:* Forrest Christian (List Account)
*Sent:* Friday, February 10, 2017 11:15 AM
*To:* af
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Netgear funny business
I've found that in the effort to make gigabit things cheap, one of
the main ways people cut corners are to use the worlds cheapest
magnetics which mostly work.  This is amazingly prevalent in the
PoE market, as I've found that it's pretty common for the cheap
vendors to use a chinese knockoff of an already questionable set
of magnetics.  Usually *not* rated for PoE, but works in many
circumstances.   I really wish I wasn't a vendor because I'd do a
set of videos about some of my competition and the horrible sins
they've committed in this regards.
In this case it looks like they might taken a 'dual 10/100'
magnetics and used them for gigabit which assuming all the specs
are fine might actually work since 'dual' really means '4 pair'.  
Is there one set of these for each port?

-forrest
On Fri, Feb 10, 2017 at 8:51 AM,  wrote:

Took apart a brand new netgear GS205v2 router.  It says 5 port
gig router.
Interesting that the ethernet magnetics inside will only do
100 mbps...



-- 
*Forrest Christian* /CEO//, PacketFlux Technologies, Inc./

Tel: 406-449-3345 | Address: 3577 Countryside Road, Helena, MT 59602
forre...@imach.com | http://www.packetflux.com


 





--
*Forrest Christian* /CEO//, PacketFlux Technologies, Inc./
Tel: 406-449-3345 | Address: 3577 Countryside Road, Helena, MT 59602
forre...@imach.com  | 
http://www.packetflux.com 
 
 

Re: [AFMUG] Netgear funny business

[Forrest Christian (List Account)]

Looking at these more...

FPE H20202DL-R
Is a dual 10/100 magnetics... So 4 pairs.   This would work for a single
gigabit port

FPE H40520MN
Is a quad 10/100 magnetics, so 8 pairs - this would work for two gigabit
ports

I've also looked at the specs for these...  seem like they're close enough
to gigabit to work.

So as much as I would like to complain about cutting corners, this is one
of those cases where I don't see any obvious problems with this.


On Fri, Feb 10, 2017 at 11:18 AM,  wrote:

> There are three, one of one part number and two of the other.
>
> *From:* Forrest Christian (List Account)
> *Sent:* Friday, February 10, 2017 11:15 AM
> *To:* af
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Netgear funny business
>
> I've found that in the effort to make gigabit things cheap, one of the
> main ways people cut corners are to use the worlds cheapest magnetics which
> mostly work.  This is amazingly prevalent in the PoE market, as I've found
> that it's pretty common for the cheap vendors to use a chinese knockoff of
> an already questionable set of magnetics.  Usually *not* rated for PoE, but
> works in many circumstances.   I really wish I wasn't a vendor because I'd
> do a set of videos about some of my competition and the horrible sins
> they've committed in this regards.
>
> In this case it looks like they might taken a 'dual 10/100' magnetics and
> used them for gigabit which assuming all the specs are fine might actually
> work since 'dual' really means '4 pair'.   Is there one set of these for
> each port?
>
> -forrest
>
> On Fri, Feb 10, 2017 at 8:51 AM,  wrote:
>
>> Took apart a brand new netgear GS205v2 router.  It says 5 port gig router.
>> Interesting that the ethernet magnetics inside will only do 100 mbps...
>>
>
>
>
> --
> *Forrest Christian* *CEO**, PacketFlux Technologies, Inc.*
> Tel: 406-449-3345 | Address: 3577 Countryside Road, Helena, MT 59602
> forre...@imach.com | http://www.packetflux.com
>   
>   
>
>


-- 
*Forrest Christian* *CEO**, PacketFlux Technologies, Inc.*
Tel: 406-449-3345 | Address: 3577 Countryside Road, Helena, MT 59602
forre...@imach.com | http://www.packetflux.com
  

Re: [AFMUG] So i got shafted by Cambium and a PTP820S

[Jason McKemie]

Maybe talk to SIAE?  I haven't used 6GHz equipment from them, but they have
replacement options that are very quick without buying a replacement plan.

Their service and support has been top-notch.

On Fri, Feb 10, 2017 at 12:32 PM, Gino Villarini  wrote:

> Bought our first PTP820S for 6ghz High, one unit came faulty from
> factory.  I have to wait 30 days for replacement… geez…
>
> So Cambium is not stocking replacement radios? I guess this is what
> happens wen you relabel Ceragon…
>
> My MW business is going elsewhere…
>
>
>
> *Gino Villarini*
> President
> Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] So i got shafted by Cambium and a PTP820S

[Seth Mattinen]

On 2/10/17 10:36, Seth Mattinen wrote:

On 2/10/17 10:32, Gino Villarini wrote:

Bought our first PTP820S for 6ghz High, one unit came faulty from
factory.  I have to wait 30 days for replacement� geez�

So Cambium is not stocking replacement radios? I guess this is what
happens wen you relabel Ceragon�

My MW business is going elsewhere�




I don't think 6GHz band gear is highly stocked by anyone. Why didn't you
buy spares? =P



Actually I should correct myself in that SAF will stock spares if you 
pay for their next day replacement plan. Otherwise you have to send it 
back to them for repair with a turnaround of about 4 weeks.


~Seth

Re: [AFMUG] So i got shafted by Cambium and a PTP820S

[Seth Mattinen]

On 2/10/17 10:32, Gino Villarini wrote:

Bought our first PTP820S for 6ghz High, one unit came faulty from
factory.  I have to wait 30 days for replacement� geez�

So Cambium is not stocking replacement radios? I guess this is what
happens wen you relabel Ceragon�

My MW business is going elsewhere�




I don't think 6GHz band gear is highly stocked by anyone. Why didn't you 
buy spares? =P


~Seth

[AFMUG] So i got shafted by Cambium and a PTP820S

[Gino Villarini]

Bought our first PTP820S for 6ghz High, one unit came faulty from factory.  I 
have to wait 30 days for replacement… geez…

So Cambium is not stocking replacement radios? I guess this is what happens wen 
you relabel Ceragon…

My MW business is going elsewhere…



Gino Villarini


President
Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968

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Re: [AFMUG] Netgear funny business

[chuck]

There are three, one of one part number and two of the other.  

From: Forrest Christian (List Account) 
Sent: Friday, February 10, 2017 11:15 AM
To: af 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Netgear funny business

I've found that in the effort to make gigabit things cheap, one of the main 
ways people cut corners are to use the worlds cheapest magnetics which mostly 
work.  This is amazingly prevalent in the PoE market, as I've found that it's 
pretty common for the cheap vendors to use a chinese knockoff of an already 
questionable set of magnetics.  Usually *not* rated for PoE, but works in many 
circumstances.   I really wish I wasn't a vendor because I'd do a set of videos 
about some of my competition and the horrible sins they've committed in this 
regards. 

In this case it looks like they might taken a 'dual 10/100' magnetics and used 
them for gigabit which assuming all the specs are fine might actually work 
since 'dual' really means '4 pair'.   Is there one set of these for each port?  

-forrest

On Fri, Feb 10, 2017 at 8:51 AM,  wrote:

  Took apart a brand new netgear GS205v2 router.  It says 5 port gig router.
  Interesting that the ethernet magnetics inside will only do 100 mbps...




-- 

  Forrest Christian CEO, PacketFlux Technologies, Inc.

  Tel: 406-449-3345 | Address: 3577 Countryside Road, Helena, MT 59602
  forre...@imach.com | http://www.packetflux.com

 

Re: [AFMUG] Netgear funny business

[Forrest Christian (List Account)]

I've found that in the effort to make gigabit things cheap, one of the main
ways people cut corners are to use the worlds cheapest magnetics which
mostly work.  This is amazingly prevalent in the PoE market, as I've found
that it's pretty common for the cheap vendors to use a chinese knockoff of
an already questionable set of magnetics.  Usually *not* rated for PoE, but
works in many circumstances.   I really wish I wasn't a vendor because I'd
do a set of videos about some of my competition and the horrible sins
they've committed in this regards.

In this case it looks like they might taken a 'dual 10/100' magnetics and
used them for gigabit which assuming all the specs are fine might actually
work since 'dual' really means '4 pair'.   Is there one set of these for
each port?

-forrest

On Fri, Feb 10, 2017 at 8:51 AM,  wrote:

> Took apart a brand new netgear GS205v2 router.  It says 5 port gig router.
> Interesting that the ethernet magnetics inside will only do 100 mbps...
>



-- 
*Forrest Christian* *CEO**, PacketFlux Technologies, Inc.*
Tel: 406-449-3345 | Address: 3577 Countryside Road, Helena, MT 59602
forre...@imach.com | http://www.packetflux.com
  

Re: [AFMUG] Circuit ID, order #

[Ken Hohhof]

You’re probably overthinking it.  Whatever is the easiest way to give the 
service a number that will be unique and that you can search for in your 
billing system and/or trouble ticketing system.  The concept of a “circuit” is 
probably obsolete anyway, a holdover from the landline telco way of doing 
things.

 

Our billing system has a place for an “Order #” which we usually leave blank, 
but if we fill it in, it appears on the invoices.  Sometimes customers insist 
that their PO # appear on the invoice, so we put their PO # there.  Some 
customers use Site ID.  If they want us to assign one, usually we just use 
their first invoice # since we know that will be unique.

 

It’s just a way for them to call in and say they’re calling about circuit XYZ.  
Be sure of course to assign a PIN number, and refuse to talk to anyone unless 
they know the PIN number!  Or is Pai going to get rid of all that nonsense?

 

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of ch...@wbmfg.com
Sent: Friday, February 10, 2017 9:52 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Circuit ID, order #

 

If you wanted to be mean you could pattern things off of a Century Link 
ASR/Circuit order.  You need a crystal ball to figure those things out.  

 

From: Mark Radabaugh 

Sent: Friday, February 10, 2017 6:31 AM

To: af@afmug.com 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Circuit ID, order #

 

Use whatever makes sense for you to be able to find it.   We use our internal 
naming convention - something like cisp-safeway4205-sm.   Customers have never 
had an issue with it.  It’s just something for the client or managed service 
provider to put into their system to reference trouble tickets back to you. 

 

Mark

 

On Feb 9, 2017, at 9:06 PM, Mike Hammett  wrote:

 

Despite having dedicated clients, none have asked me for circuit IDs or order 
numbers. I have one asking for those things now. I'm assuming it wouldn't look 
too good if I responded with.

1



-
Mike Hammett
  Intelligent Computing Solutions
   
  
  
 
  Midwest Internet Exchange
   
  
 
  The Brothers WISP

 

Re: [AFMUG] Netgear funny business

[chuck]

Brand new from newegg.  

From: Ken Hohhof 
Sent: Friday, February 10, 2017 10:21 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Netgear funny business

That looks like a product from 1995.  Did it come with a Compuserve signup disk?

Any chance it’s actually an FS205?

I would probably get the version in the metal case so the cables wouldn’t pull 
it off the desk, but that may just be the same PCB in a metal case.

The 2K MAC address table seems small, but maybe not for a SOHO switch.

I wonder if the transformers can’t do GigE data, or maybe they just can’t do 
gigabit POE?

 

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of ch...@wbmfg.com
Sent: Friday, February 10, 2017 10:54 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Netgear funny business

 

Sorry, switch.

 

From: Bill Prince 

Sent: Friday, February 10, 2017 9:10 AM

To: af@afmug.com 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Netgear funny business

 

Router or switch?

Their web site says it's a switch: 

https://www.netgear.com/home/products/networking/switches/home-ethernet-switches/GS205v2.aspx?cid=wmt_netgear_organic#tab-overview

bp On 2/10/2017 8:06 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:

  I looked up the part numbers on all the the transformers.  They are all 
10/100.

  I will double check but pretty sure I am right.  

  FPE H20202DL-R

  http://www.fpe.com.cn/pdf/pdf/10-100-4.pdf

  FPE H40520MN

   

  From: Josh Luthman 

  Sent: Friday, February 10, 2017 8:54 AM

  To: af@afmug.com 

  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Netgear funny business

   

  WAN port is gig maybe?

   

   

  Josh Luthman
  Office: 937-552-2340
  Direct: 937-552-2343
  1100 Wayne St
  Suite 1337
  Troy, OH 45373

   

  On Fri, Feb 10, 2017 at 10:51 AM,  wrote:

Took apart a brand new netgear GS205v2 router.  It says 5 port gig router.

Interesting that the ethernet magnetics inside will only do 100 mbps...

   

 

[AFMUG] American tower

[Timothy Steele]

Anyone have a contact for American tower that accurately answers the phone?

[AFMUG] FS: Miscellaneous

[Jason McKemie]

I have the following available:

9x Cyclone Rotopol 5700 (unused)
7x Motorola 600ss (unused)
4x Motorola 2400sm (used, believed to be working)
1x Motorola 5700sm (used, believed to be working)
2x WBH 2.4GHz stinger (unused)
1x WBH 5.7GHz 450 stinger (unused)
1x WBH RCL-1 (unused)
2x Motorola 5GHz Lens (1 used, 1 unused)
2x Ubiquiti Rocket M5 (unused)
1x Ubiquiti AM 5G19 Sector (used)
1x Cambium 320 Sector (Laird I believe, I do not think it has been deployed
- Model number is 85010107001 - 3.3-3.8GHz, 65Deg, 17dBi)
1x Cisco 2611XM w/2x WIC 1DSU T1
1x Cisco Expansion Card w/2x WIC 1DSU T1 and 2x Ethernet
1x Mikrotik CRS212-1G-10S-1S+ IN (used for a few months in climate
controlled enclosure)
2x Occam 2342 ONT (unused)

Make an offer.

Thanks.

Re: [AFMUG] Netgear funny business

[Ken Hohhof]

That looks like a product from 1995.  Did it come with a Compuserve signup disk?

Any chance it’s actually an FS205?

I would probably get the version in the metal case so the cables wouldn’t pull 
it off the desk, but that may just be the same PCB in a metal case.

The 2K MAC address table seems small, but maybe not for a SOHO switch.

I wonder if the transformers can’t do GigE data, or maybe they just can’t do 
gigabit POE?

 

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of ch...@wbmfg.com
Sent: Friday, February 10, 2017 10:54 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Netgear funny business

 

Sorry, switch.

 

From: Bill Prince 

Sent: Friday, February 10, 2017 9:10 AM

To: af@afmug.com   

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Netgear funny business

 

Router or switch?

Their web site says it's a switch: 

https://www.netgear.com/home/products/networking/switches/home-ethernet-switches/GS205v2.aspx?cid=wmt_netgear_organic#tab-overview

bp

 

On 2/10/2017 8:06 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com   wrote:

I looked up the part numbers on all the the transformers.  They are all 10/100.

I will double check but pretty sure I am right.  

FPE H20202DL-R

http://www.fpe.com.cn/pdf/pdf/10-100-4.pdf

FPE H40520MN

 

From: Josh Luthman 

Sent: Friday, February 10, 2017 8:54 AM

To: af@afmug.com   

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Netgear funny business

 

WAN port is gig maybe?

 

 

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

 

On Fri, Feb 10, 2017 at 10:51 AM,  > 
wrote:

Took apart a brand new netgear GS205v2 router.  It says 5 port gig router.

Interesting that the ethernet magnetics inside will only do 100 mbps...

 

 

Re: [AFMUG] Netgear funny business

[Jason McKemie]

Maybe they accidentally marked a FS205 as a GS205? They look pretty much
identical.

On Friday, February 10, 2017,  wrote:

> Took apart a brand new netgear GS205v2 router.  It says 5 port gig router.
> Interesting that the ethernet magnetics inside will only do 100 mbps...
>

Re: [AFMUG] Netgear funny business

[chuck]

Sorry, switch.

From: Bill Prince 
Sent: Friday, February 10, 2017 9:10 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Netgear funny business

Router or switch?

Their web site says it's a switch: 


https://www.netgear.com/home/products/networking/switches/home-ethernet-switches/GS205v2.aspx?cid=wmt_netgear_organic#tab-overview


bp


On 2/10/2017 8:06 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:

  I looked up the part numbers on all the the transformers.  They are all 
10/100.
  I will double check but pretty sure I am right.  
  FPE H20202DL-R
  http://www.fpe.com.cn/pdf/pdf/10-100-4.pdf
  FPE H40520MN

  From: Josh Luthman 
  Sent: Friday, February 10, 2017 8:54 AM
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Netgear funny business

  WAN port is gig maybe?


  Josh Luthman
  Office: 937-552-2340
  Direct: 937-552-2343
  1100 Wayne St
  Suite 1337
  Troy, OH 45373

  On Fri, Feb 10, 2017 at 10:51 AM,  wrote:

Took apart a brand new netgear GS205v2 router.  It says 5 port gig router.
Interesting that the ethernet magnetics inside will only do 100 mbps...

Re: [AFMUG] Netgear funny business

[Mathew Howard]

But what happens when you plug gigabit devices into it? does it actually
work somehow, or are they just flat out lying and hoping nobody will notice?

On Fri, Feb 10, 2017 at 10:06 AM,  wrote:

> I looked up the part numbers on all the the transformers.  They are all
> 10/100.
> I will double check but pretty sure I am right.
> FPE H20202DL-R
> http://www.fpe.com.cn/pdf/pdf/10-100-4.pdf
> FPE H40520MN
>
> *From:* Josh Luthman
> *Sent:* Friday, February 10, 2017 8:54 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Netgear funny business
>
> WAN port is gig maybe?
>
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340 <(937)%20552-2340>
> Direct: 937-552-2343 <(937)%20552-2343>
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
> On Fri, Feb 10, 2017 at 10:51 AM,  wrote:
>
>> Took apart a brand new netgear GS205v2 router.  It says 5 port gig router.
>> Interesting that the ethernet magnetics inside will only do 100 mbps...
>>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Netgear funny business

[Bill Prince]

Router or switch?

Their web site says it's a switch:

https://www.netgear.com/home/products/networking/switches/home-ethernet-switches/GS205v2.aspx?cid=wmt_netgear_organic#tab-overview

bp


On 2/10/2017 8:06 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
I looked up the part numbers on all the the transformers.  They are 
all 10/100.

I will double check but pretty sure I am right.
FPE H20202DL-R
http://www.fpe.com.cn/pdf/pdf/10-100-4.pdf
FPE H40520MN
*From:* Josh Luthman
*Sent:* Friday, February 10, 2017 8:54 AM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Netgear funny business
WAN port is gig maybe?
Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Fri, Feb 10, 2017 at 10:51 AM,  wrote:

Took apart a brand new netgear GS205v2 router.  It says 5 port gig
router.
Interesting that the ethernet magnetics inside will only do 100
mbps...

Re: [AFMUG] Netgear funny business

[chuck]

I looked up the part numbers on all the the transformers.  They are all 10/100.
I will double check but pretty sure I am right.  
FPE H20202DL-R
http://www.fpe.com.cn/pdf/pdf/10-100-4.pdf
FPE H40520MN

From: Josh Luthman 
Sent: Friday, February 10, 2017 8:54 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Netgear funny business

WAN port is gig maybe?


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Fri, Feb 10, 2017 at 10:51 AM,  wrote:

  Took apart a brand new netgear GS205v2 router.  It says 5 port gig router.
  Interesting that the ethernet magnetics inside will only do 100 mbps...

Re: [AFMUG] Netgear funny business

[Mathew Howard]

Data sheet says 5 Gigabit ports...

http://www.downloads.netgear.com/files/GDC/datasheet/en/200-Series_DS.pdf


On Fri, Feb 10, 2017 at 9:54 AM, Josh Luthman 
wrote:

> WAN port is gig maybe?
>
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340 <(937)%20552-2340>
> Direct: 937-552-2343 <(937)%20552-2343>
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
> On Fri, Feb 10, 2017 at 10:51 AM,  wrote:
>
>> Took apart a brand new netgear GS205v2 router.  It says 5 port gig router.
>> Interesting that the ethernet magnetics inside will only do 100 mbps...
>>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Netgear funny business

[Josh Luthman]

WAN port is gig maybe?


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Fri, Feb 10, 2017 at 10:51 AM,  wrote:

> Took apart a brand new netgear GS205v2 router.  It says 5 port gig router.
> Interesting that the ethernet magnetics inside will only do 100 mbps...
>

Re: [AFMUG] Circuit ID, order #

[chuck]

If you wanted to be mean you could pattern things off of a Century Link 
ASR/Circuit order.  You need a crystal ball to figure those things out.  

From: Mark Radabaugh 
Sent: Friday, February 10, 2017 6:31 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Circuit ID, order #

Use whatever makes sense for you to be able to find it.   We use our internal 
naming convention - something like cisp-safeway4205-sm.   Customers have never 
had an issue with it.  It’s just something for the client or managed service 
provider to put into their system to reference trouble tickets back to you. 

Mark

  On Feb 9, 2017, at 9:06 PM, Mike Hammett  wrote:

  Despite having dedicated clients, none have asked me for circuit IDs or order 
numbers. I have one asking for those things now. I'm assuming it wouldn't look 
too good if I responded with.

  1




  -
  Mike Hammett
  Intelligent Computing Solutions

  Midwest Internet Exchange

  The Brothers WISP

[AFMUG] Netgear funny business

[chuck]

Took apart a brand new netgear GS205v2 router.  It says 5 port gig router.
Interesting that the ethernet magnetics inside will only do 100 mbps...

[AFMUG] Friday Fun: High Altitude Installs

[Ray Savich]

Friday Fun: Share your photo and story of your high altitude installations 
http://community.cambiumnetworks.com/t5/Friday-Fun/February-10-2017-How-High-Did-you-Install/m-p/68475#M14

Ray

Re: [AFMUG] Circuit ID, order #

[Mark Radabaugh]

Use whatever makes sense for you to be able to find it.   We use our internal 
naming convention - something like cisp-safeway4205-sm.   Customers have never 
had an issue with it.  It’s just something for the client or managed service 
provider to put into their system to reference trouble tickets back to you.

Mark

> On Feb 9, 2017, at 9:06 PM, Mike Hammett  wrote:
> 
> Despite having dedicated clients, none have asked me for circuit IDs or order 
> numbers. I have one asking for those things now. I'm assuming it wouldn't 
> look too good if I responded with.
> 
> 1
> 
> 
> 
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions 
>   
>  
>  
> 
> Midwest Internet Exchange 
>   
>  
> 
> The Brothers WISP