Re: [AFMUG] Thank you Cambium

[Rory Conaway]

Mimosa was the first to market with Wave 2 and Mu-MIMO.

Rory

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett
Sent: Wednesday, December 20, 2017 2:41 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Thank you Cambium

Wave 2, Mu-MIMO, SFP PORT, etc.


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From: "Rory Conaway" >
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Wednesday, December 20, 2017 12:29:22 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Thank you Cambium
My point is that Ubiquiti is on Gen 2, Mimosa has been out 2 years, both 
companies have horn antenna options either internally or through RF Elements 
which reduces the need for GPS but they both have that option.  Both products 
are already delivering massive improvements over 802.11n and both companies 
have been bringing out firmware upgrades that are going to make it extremely 
difficult to want to add another company to the mix this late in the game.  Now 
you have Ubiquiti testing LTU and who knows what Mimosa will have by then.

It’s good to see Motorola, err, Cambium come out in 802.11ac but if it doesn’t 
walk on water or penetrate buildings, it’s going to be very hard to justify 
adding it to the tool box 3-4 years after the first 802.11ac products came to 
market.  The more things change, the more they stay the same.

Rory

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Mathew Howard
Sent: Wednesday, December 20, 2017 11:10 AM
To: af
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Thank you Cambium

Assuming you're talking about ePMP, the Force 300 is supposed to be out Q1 2018 
(I was told late January when I pre-ordered), but they're initially going to be 
PTP only, with the 802.11ac AP's expected sometime later in the year.

On Wed, Dec 20, 2017 at 11:57 AM, Rory Conaway 
> wrote:
802.11ac?  Not this Christmas.  Any new dates?

Rory

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf 
Of Sean Heskett
Sent: Wednesday, December 20, 2017 10:29 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Thank you Cambium

WAY better than prism!

-sean


On Wed, Dec 20, 2017 at 7:45 AM, Chuck McCown 
> wrote:
So, better than Prism?

From: Adam Moffett
Sent: Tuesday, December 19, 2017 8:36 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] Thank you Cambium

Can I just take a moment to say 'thank you' to Cambium for making Cnmaestro.

It's what Breezeview would be if Telrad didn't hate me.

Re: [AFMUG] Rodeo networks IPTV

[Rory Conaway]

Local channels are $2-$3 per channel.  Nobody is going to want to add $20 per 
month to their bill but I understand.

Rory

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Sean Heskett
Sent: Wednesday, December 20, 2017 1:57 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Rodeo networks IPTV

There are zero over the air channels available in our location (mountains of 
CO) so an an antenna isn’t an option for us.

-Sean


On Wed, Dec 20, 2017 at 1:43 PM Rory Conaway 
> wrote:
Local channels are a problem because of the cost.  However, if you put up an 
outdoor antenna at that same time, it takes care of the problem.  That is our 
plan for an additional price.  We are testing antennas right now.

Rory

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf 
Of Christopher Gray
Sent: Wednesday, December 20, 2017 12:41 PM

To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Rodeo networks IPTV

I've been in a similar boat as Chris. Working to make it work, but waiting on 
further progress from the Rodeo side. I've entertained RealChoiceTV as the next 
choice, but the costs are simply too high. Rodeo Networks appears to have a 
good product based on good technology... they just don't have all the 
components in place yet. They are making a large fundamental change on their 
network over the next 2 weeks with improved capacity, and hopefully improved 
transcoding after that.


It seems to me way to secure TV customers is in providing local channels. 
Almost all of the non-local channels have other means of delivery that will 
easily win in a cost comparison.
As far as multicast over a WISP, Cambium has some good examples of functioning 
multicast IPTV systems in Europe(?) using the same base middleware as Rodeo 
over ePMP.
On Tue, Dec 19, 2017 at 8:03 AM, Chris Fabien 
> wrote:
I would wait a few months and check back, I think (hope) they are getting close 
but have zero trust in anything they are telling me that I can't see/verify. If 
there was something with similar capabilities in terms of pricing/channels we 
would have bailed long ago, but I couldn't find another option that I thought 
would work for my customers.
On Mon, Dec 18, 2017 at 6:09 PM, Sean Heskett 
> wrote:
Hi Chris,

thanks for your feedback.  I've heard similar experiences from others which is 
now making me gun shy.  I like their pricing and channel lineup but if they 
can't deliver then it really doesn't matter much.

-sean

On Mon, Dec 18, 2017 at 2:53 PM, Chris Fabien 
> wrote:
They are NOT ready to launch yet. They have been signing resellers up for close 
to a year and they are still building a proper headend with adequate bandwidth 
to provide the service. We signed with them in March, still don't have anything 
we can sell.  The product has promise and they give you the flexibility to 
create your own channel lineup so you can really offer a good value to your 
customers, but the months and months of excuses and poor communication have us 
about ready to throw in the towel on it. I can discuss more offlist if you like.

Chris Fabien
LakeNet LLC


On Mon, Dec 18, 2017 at 2:07 PM, Sean Heskett 
> wrote:
Hello AF gang,

We are looking at potentially going with Rodeo Networks IPTV solution on our 
network but I wanted to first ask the group if anyone has any experience with 
them.  If so would you be willing to discuss (either on-list or off-list) your 
experience.

Thanks!

-Sean

Re: [AFMUG] Remote generator start options packetflux?

[Bill Prince]

I've done 4 or 5 little hobby-type projects on a pi now, and it all goes 
amazingly smoothly.



bp


On 12/20/2017 7:27 PM, Lewis Bergman wrote:


I was really surprised how fast my first pi project was. 5 hours from 
opening the box to a working prototype. Took another 5 hours to clean 
it up, put in logging, and make sure it starts on Boot.


I would think you could build something for this in about 3 times that 
many hours.



On Wed, Dec 20, 2017, 9:23 PM Lewis Bergman > wrote:


Bummer. Guess there was not enough demand or to make variants?

On Wed, Dec 20, 2017, 5:18 PM George Skorup
> wrote:

Yeahbut Forrest doesn't make the generator control board anymore.


On 12/20/2017 5:01 PM, Lewis Bergman wrote:


I think packetflux is likely the easiest with the most to
offer our of the box. I know if one other out of the box
solution that cost about 3 times as much. First can not only
start it but he can use his shunt to make sure it is actually
started and producing current.

If you want to do it yourself you could work some coding and
such but it doesn't sound like that is what you want to do.
Arduino, raspberry pi, etc. Could do this but you have to
build it all yourself. Not really fast but fun if you like
that kind of thing.

You would need some electronics knowledge if you don't want
to spend a few days googling. I guess you still have to know
enough to make Google work.

Again, see Forest for his genset setup. I know a lot of
people in this list use it.


On Wed, Dec 20, 2017, 4:39 PM Eric Kuhnke
> wrote:

assuming you have a generator that does auto-choke and is
wired for electrical remote start, like the small generac
units sold for RV use and similar... where all you need
to do is turn on a relay for 4-5 seconds to crank a
starter, then turn off the relay again.

one of these: http://tinycontrol.pl/en/lan-controller/

and one of these:
http://tinycontrol.pl/en/relays-board-10a-v3/

or a thing like this:

http://denkovi.com/ethernet-relay-card-5-channels-snmp-http-xml-real-time-clock-din-box


there are quite a few different DIN mount
relay-controllers with basic http interfaces to turn on
and off things. Some support things like receiving an
snmp trap to trigger a relay for automated scripting.

On Wed, Dec 20, 2017 at 2:30 PM, Brandon Yuchasz
>
wrote:

We are looking at adding a remote start to a
generator at an off grid site we have and I am
gathering information  on options at this point.

Right now we are all Solar at the site.  It’s a new
site and if / when we draw down batteries beyond
where we are comfortable we turn go to the site turn
off the PV and start a generator manually and run a
48v battery charger on the bank. It’s a fairly low
tech solution right now. We log in turn off the PV
array and a guy goes out and pulls the rope on the
generator and batteries start to charge. He then
leaves and in three hours generator runs out of fuel
and charging stops. Log back in turn the PV back on
and that’s the end of the process.

We are considering a few different options at the
site and I don’t want to complicate this to much by
offering to much information to start. Ill go into
more details later but for now I am looking for a way
to start a (different) propane generator remotely
during the dark months. Most likely once a week in
December and January.

So assuming electric start is an options on the
generator. What options do I have for throwing that
“switch” from the office. I am positive I am not the
first one of us to want to do this.

Thoughts everyone? I want to KISS so when I am not
around others can do this with minimal training.

Thanks,

Brandon

Re: [AFMUG] Sometimes cameras are annoying

[Jaime Solorza]

Wow...I sent it to son via SMS and he saw it...I compressed it and nada?

Jaime Solorza

On Dec 20, 2017 8:29 PM, "Jaime Solorza"  wrote:

> Compressed
>
> Jaime Solorza
>
> On Dec 20, 2017 8:24 PM, "Mathew Howard"  wrote:
>
> Still no attachment... the list must be stripping it off.
>
> On Dec 20, 2017 9:12 PM, "Jaime Solorza" 
> wrote:
>
>> Download it..mp4
>>
>> Jaime Solorza
>>
>> On Dec 20, 2017 8:10 PM, "Adair Winter" 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> yep, nothing attached.
>>>
>>> On Wed, Dec 20, 2017 at 9:06 PM, Jaime Solorza <
>>> losguyswirel...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
 Event triggered message sent us this from a camera in key location
 where important documents are stored.  Two cameras watch this office but
 tonight the event was comical.

 Jaime Solorza

>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>>
>>> Adair Winter
>>> VP, Network Operations / Co-Owner
>>> Amarillo Wireless | 806.316.5071 <(806)%20316-5071>
>>> C: 806.231.7180 <(806)%20231-7180>
>>> http://www.amarillowireless.net
>>> 
>>>
>>>
>>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Compressed video

[Jaime Solorza]

Must have been intercepted by government funded UFO group.

Jaime Solorza

On Dec 20, 2017 8:29 PM, "Lewis Bergman"  wrote:

> Nope
>
> On Wed, Dec 20, 2017, 9:22 PM Jaime Solorza 
> wrote:
>
>> Try it now
>>
>>
>> Jaime Solorza
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Sometimes cameras are annoying

[Jaime Solorza]

Compressed

Jaime Solorza

On Dec 20, 2017 8:24 PM, "Mathew Howard"  wrote:

Still no attachment... the list must be stripping it off.

On Dec 20, 2017 9:12 PM, "Jaime Solorza"  wrote:

> Download it..mp4
>
> Jaime Solorza
>
> On Dec 20, 2017 8:10 PM, "Adair Winter" 
> wrote:
>
>> yep, nothing attached.
>>
>> On Wed, Dec 20, 2017 at 9:06 PM, Jaime Solorza > > wrote:
>>
>>> Event triggered message sent us this from a camera in key location where
>>> important documents are stored.  Two cameras watch this office but tonight
>>> the event was comical.
>>>
>>> Jaime Solorza
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>>
>> Adair Winter
>> VP, Network Operations / Co-Owner
>> Amarillo Wireless | 806.316.5071 <(806)%20316-5071>
>> C: 806.231.7180 <(806)%20231-7180>
>> http://www.amarillowireless.net
>> 
>>
>>
>>

Re: [AFMUG] Compressed video

[Lewis Bergman]

Nope

On Wed, Dec 20, 2017, 9:22 PM Jaime Solorza 
wrote:

> Try it now
>
>
> Jaime Solorza
>

Re: [AFMUG] Remote generator start options packetflux?

[Lewis Bergman]

I was really surprised how fast my first pi project was. 5 hours from
opening the box to a working prototype. Took another 5 hours to clean it
up, put in logging, and make sure it starts on Boot.

I would think you could build something for this in about 3 times that many
hours.

On Wed, Dec 20, 2017, 9:23 PM Lewis Bergman  wrote:

> Bummer. Guess there was not enough demand or to make variants?
>
> On Wed, Dec 20, 2017, 5:18 PM George Skorup 
> wrote:
>
>> Yeahbut Forrest doesn't make the generator control board anymore.
>>
>>
>> On 12/20/2017 5:01 PM, Lewis Bergman wrote:
>>
>> I think packetflux is likely the easiest with the most to offer our of
>> the box. I know if one other out of the box solution that cost about 3
>> times as much. First can not only start it but he can use his shunt to make
>> sure it is actually started and producing current.
>>
>> If you want to do it yourself you could work some coding and such but it
>> doesn't sound like that is what you want to do. Arduino, raspberry pi, etc.
>> Could do this but you have to build it all yourself. Not really fast but
>> fun if you like that kind of thing.
>>
>> You would need some electronics knowledge if you don't want to spend a
>> few days googling. I guess you still have to know enough to make Google
>> work.
>>
>> Again, see Forest for his genset setup. I know a lot of people in this
>> list use it.
>>
>> On Wed, Dec 20, 2017, 4:39 PM Eric Kuhnke  wrote:
>>
>> assuming you have a generator that does auto-choke and is wired for
>>> electrical remote start, like the small generac units sold for RV use and
>>> similar... where all you need to do is turn on a relay for 4-5 seconds to
>>> crank a starter, then turn off the relay again.
>>>
>>> one of these: http://tinycontrol.pl/en/lan-controller/
>>>
>>> and one of these: http://tinycontrol.pl/en/relays-board-10a-v3/
>>>
>>> or a thing like this:
>>> http://denkovi.com/ethernet-relay-card-5-channels-snmp-http-xml-real-time-clock-din-box
>>>
>>>
>>> there are quite a few different DIN mount relay-controllers with basic
>>> http interfaces to turn on and off things. Some support things like
>>> receiving an snmp trap to trigger a relay for automated scripting.
>>>
>>> On Wed, Dec 20, 2017 at 2:30 PM, Brandon Yuchasz >> > wrote:
>>>
 We are looking at adding a remote start to a generator at an off grid
 site we have and I am gathering information  on options at this point.



 Right now we are all Solar at the site.  It’s a new site and if / when
 we draw down batteries beyond where we are comfortable we turn go to the
 site turn off the PV and start a generator manually and run a 48v battery
 charger on the bank. It’s a fairly low tech solution right now. We log in
 turn off the PV array and a guy goes out and pulls the rope on the
 generator and batteries start to charge. He then leaves and in three hours
 generator runs out of fuel and charging stops. Log back in turn the PV back
 on and that’s the end of the process.



 We are considering a few different options at the site and I don’t want
 to complicate this to much by offering to much information to start. Ill go
 into more details later but for now I am looking for a way to start a
 (different) propane generator remotely during the dark months. Most likely
 once a week in December and January.



 So assuming electric start is an options on the generator. What options
 do I have for throwing that “switch” from the office. I am positive I am
 not the first one of us to want to do this.



 Thoughts everyone? I want to KISS so when I am not around others can do
 this with minimal training.



 Thanks,

 Brandon





>>>
>>>

Re: [AFMUG] Sometimes cameras are annoying

[Mathew Howard]

Still no attachment... the list must be stripping it off.

On Dec 20, 2017 9:12 PM, "Jaime Solorza"  wrote:

> Download it..mp4
>
> Jaime Solorza
>
> On Dec 20, 2017 8:10 PM, "Adair Winter" 
> wrote:
>
>> yep, nothing attached.
>>
>> On Wed, Dec 20, 2017 at 9:06 PM, Jaime Solorza > > wrote:
>>
>>> Event triggered message sent us this from a camera in key location where
>>> important documents are stored.  Two cameras watch this office but tonight
>>> the event was comical.
>>>
>>> Jaime Solorza
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>>
>> Adair Winter
>> VP, Network Operations / Co-Owner
>> Amarillo Wireless | 806.316.5071 <(806)%20316-5071>
>> C: 806.231.7180 <(806)%20231-7180>
>> http://www.amarillowireless.net
>> 
>>
>>
>>

Re: [AFMUG] Remote generator start options packetflux?

[Lewis Bergman]

Bummer. Guess there was not enough demand or to make variants?

On Wed, Dec 20, 2017, 5:18 PM George Skorup 
wrote:

> Yeahbut Forrest doesn't make the generator control board anymore.
>
>
> On 12/20/2017 5:01 PM, Lewis Bergman wrote:
>
> I think packetflux is likely the easiest with the most to offer our of the
> box. I know if one other out of the box solution that cost about 3 times as
> much. First can not only start it but he can use his shunt to make sure it
> is actually started and producing current.
>
> If you want to do it yourself you could work some coding and such but it
> doesn't sound like that is what you want to do. Arduino, raspberry pi, etc.
> Could do this but you have to build it all yourself. Not really fast but
> fun if you like that kind of thing.
>
> You would need some electronics knowledge if you don't want to spend a few
> days googling. I guess you still have to know enough to make Google work.
>
> Again, see Forest for his genset setup. I know a lot of people in this
> list use it.
>
> On Wed, Dec 20, 2017, 4:39 PM Eric Kuhnke  wrote:
>
> assuming you have a generator that does auto-choke and is wired for
>> electrical remote start, like the small generac units sold for RV use and
>> similar... where all you need to do is turn on a relay for 4-5 seconds to
>> crank a starter, then turn off the relay again.
>>
>> one of these: http://tinycontrol.pl/en/lan-controller/
>>
>> and one of these: http://tinycontrol.pl/en/relays-board-10a-v3/
>>
>> or a thing like this:
>> http://denkovi.com/ethernet-relay-card-5-channels-snmp-http-xml-real-time-clock-din-box
>>
>>
>> there are quite a few different DIN mount relay-controllers with basic
>> http interfaces to turn on and off things. Some support things like
>> receiving an snmp trap to trigger a relay for automated scripting.
>>
>> On Wed, Dec 20, 2017 at 2:30 PM, Brandon Yuchasz 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> We are looking at adding a remote start to a generator at an off grid
>>> site we have and I am gathering information  on options at this point.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Right now we are all Solar at the site.  It’s a new site and if / when
>>> we draw down batteries beyond where we are comfortable we turn go to the
>>> site turn off the PV and start a generator manually and run a 48v battery
>>> charger on the bank. It’s a fairly low tech solution right now. We log in
>>> turn off the PV array and a guy goes out and pulls the rope on the
>>> generator and batteries start to charge. He then leaves and in three hours
>>> generator runs out of fuel and charging stops. Log back in turn the PV back
>>> on and that’s the end of the process.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> We are considering a few different options at the site and I don’t want
>>> to complicate this to much by offering to much information to start. Ill go
>>> into more details later but for now I am looking for a way to start a
>>> (different) propane generator remotely during the dark months. Most likely
>>> once a week in December and January.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> So assuming electric start is an options on the generator. What options
>>> do I have for throwing that “switch” from the office. I am positive I am
>>> not the first one of us to want to do this.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Thoughts everyone? I want to KISS so when I am not around others can do
>>> this with minimal training.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>>
>>> Brandon
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>

[AFMUG] Compressed video

[Jaime Solorza]

Try it now

Jaime Solorza

Re: [AFMUG] Sometimes cameras are annoying

[Jaime Solorza]

Download it..mp4

Jaime Solorza

On Dec 20, 2017 8:10 PM, "Adair Winter"  wrote:

> yep, nothing attached.
>
> On Wed, Dec 20, 2017 at 9:06 PM, Jaime Solorza 
> wrote:
>
>> Event triggered message sent us this from a camera in key location where
>> important documents are stored.  Two cameras watch this office but tonight
>> the event was comical.
>>
>> Jaime Solorza
>>
>
>
>
> --
>
> Adair Winter
> VP, Network Operations / Co-Owner
> Amarillo Wireless | 806.316.5071 <(806)%20316-5071>
> C: 806.231.7180 <(806)%20231-7180>
> http://www.amarillowireless.net
> 
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Sometimes cameras are annoying

[Adair Winter]

yep, nothing attached.

On Wed, Dec 20, 2017 at 9:06 PM, Jaime Solorza 
wrote:

> Event triggered message sent us this from a camera in key location where
> important documents are stored.  Two cameras watch this office but tonight
> the event was comical.
>
> Jaime Solorza
>



-- 

Adair Winter
VP, Network Operations / Co-Owner
Amarillo Wireless | 806.316.5071
C: 806.231.7180
http://www.amarillowireless.net

[AFMUG] Sometimes cameras are annoying

[Jaime Solorza]

Event triggered message sent us this from a camera in key location where
important documents are stored.  Two cameras watch this office but tonight
the event was comical.

Jaime Solorza

Re: [AFMUG] Remote generator start options packetflux?

[Chuck McCown]

If the gen has 2 wire start, you can have a voltage activated relay turn it on 
and off.  

From: Gino A. Villarini 
Sent: Wednesday, December 20, 2017 4:57 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Remote generator start options packetflux?

Ot buy a DC generador that start and stops At predetermined voltages...


Gino A. Villarini 
@gvillarini






  Gino A. Villarini
 
  President 
  Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968 




On Dec 20, 2017, at 7:18 PM, George Skorup  wrote:


  Yeahbut Forrest doesn't make the generator control board anymore.


  On 12/20/2017 5:01 PM, Lewis Bergman wrote:

I think packetflux is likely the easiest with the most to offer our of the 
box. I know if one other out of the box solution that cost about 3 times as 
much. First can not only start it but he can use his shunt to make sure it is 
actually started and producing current.

If you want to do it yourself you could work some coding and such but it 
doesn't sound like that is what you want to do. Arduino, raspberry pi, etc. 
Could do this but you have to build it all yourself. Not really fast but fun if 
you like that kind of thing.

You would need some electronics knowledge if you don't want to spend a few 
days googling. I guess you still have to know enough to make Google work.

Again, see Forest for his genset setup. I know a lot of people in this list 
use it.




On Wed, Dec 20, 2017, 4:39 PM Eric Kuhnke  wrote:

  assuming you have a generator that does auto-choke and is wired for 
electrical remote start, like the small generac units sold for RV use and 
similar... where all you need to do is turn on a relay for 4-5 seconds to crank 
a starter, then turn off the relay again. 

  one of these: http://tinycontrol.pl/en/lan-controller/

  and one of these: http://tinycontrol.pl/en/relays-board-10a-v3/

  or a thing like this: 
http://denkovi.com/ethernet-relay-card-5-channels-snmp-http-xml-real-time-clock-din-box


  there are quite a few different DIN mount relay-controllers with basic 
http interfaces to turn on and off things. Some support things like receiving 
an snmp trap to trigger a relay for automated scripting. 

  On Wed, Dec 20, 2017 at 2:30 PM, Brandon Yuchasz  
wrote:

We are looking at adding a remote start to a generator at an off grid 
site we have and I am gathering information  on options at this point. 



Right now we are all Solar at the site.  It’s a new site and if / when 
we draw down batteries beyond where we are comfortable we turn go to the site 
turn off the PV and start a generator manually and run a 48v battery charger on 
the bank. It’s a fairly low tech solution right now. We log in turn off the PV 
array and a guy goes out and pulls the rope on the generator and batteries 
start to charge. He then leaves and in three hours generator runs out of fuel 
and charging stops. Log back in turn the PV back on and that’s the end of the 
process. 



We are considering a few different options at the site and I don’t want 
to complicate this to much by offering to much information to start. Ill go 
into more details later but for now I am looking for a way to start a 
(different) propane generator remotely during the dark months. Most likely once 
a week in December and January.  



So assuming electric start is an options on the generator. What options 
do I have for throwing that “switch” from the office. I am positive I am not 
the first one of us to want to do this.



Thoughts everyone? I want to KISS so when I am not around others can do 
this with minimal training.



Thanks,

Brandon

Re: [AFMUG] Remote generator start options packetflux?

[Jesse DuPont]

  
  
We are working on integrating this right now with our propane
generator (it uses 2-wire start so for our Generac, we had to order
the 2-wire start kit and code from Generac to enable, but it was
free).

http://www.magnum-dimensions.com/auto-generator-start-stand-alone

Caveat - this doesn't meet you requirement of remotely starting it,
but it will start it automatically when the battery voltage drops
below a threshold.

If you PV panels are through a charge controller, you should not
have to turn them off when you're running your AC charger - they can
be on simultaneously, even if the sun comes out.


  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
Jesse DuPont

  Network
  Architect
  email: jesse.dup...@celeritycorp.net
  Celerity Networks LLC
  Celerity
  Broadband LLC
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On 12/20/17 3:30 PM, Brandon Yuchasz
  wrote:


  
  
  
  
We are looking at adding a remote start to
  a generator at an off grid site we have and I am gathering
  information  on options at this point. 
 
Right now we are all Solar at the site. 
  It’s a new site and if / when we draw down batteries beyond
  where we are comfortable we turn go to the site turn off the
  PV and start a generator manually and run a 48v battery
  charger on the bank. It’s a fairly low tech solution right
  now. We log in turn off the PV array and a guy goes out and
  pulls the rope on the generator and batteries start to charge.
  He then leaves and in three hours generator runs out of fuel
  and charging stops. Log back in turn the PV back on and that’s
  the end of the process. 
 
We are considering a few different options
  at the site and I don’t want to complicate this to much by
  offering to much information to start. Ill go into more
  details later but for now I am looking for a way to start a
  (different) propane generator remotely during the dark months.
  Most likely once a week in December and January.  
 
So assuming electric start is an options on
  the generator. What options do I have for throwing that
  “switch” from the office. I am positive I am not the first one
  of us to want to do this.
 
Thoughts everyone? I want to KISS so when I
  am not around others can do this with minimal training.
 
Thanks,
Brandon
 
 
  


  

Re: [AFMUG] Used Licensed Gear

[Sean Heskett]

To all of you that asked for pricing and details we have 5 complete links
that we will sell for $1300.00ea complete link.

complete link = 2 radios (1 high and 1 low) and 2 POE kits with AC power
cords.

for now we are not selling them with dishes.  we have 2' dishes for these
links but honestly they are not easy to package/ship and it would probably
cost you more in shipping than just buying new dishes (which sux but if you
know of a cheep way to package and ship them i'm open to suggestions)

these are known working links that were pulled from our network and
replaced last summer.

if you are interested please email me off list at s...@zirkel.us

if you have questions please feel free to ask on or off list.

Thanks!

-sean


On Tue, Dec 19, 2017 at 12:14 PM, Sean Heskett  wrote:

> we have about 10 complete links of dragonwave horizon compact plus 18GHz
> if you're interested.
>
> -sean
>
>
> On Tue, Dec 19, 2017 at 8:13 AM, Mike Hammett  wrote:
>
>> Other than SWG, where are you guys seeing used licensed gear available?
>>
>>
>>
>> -
>> Mike Hammett
>> Intelligent Computing Solutions 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Midwest Internet Exchange 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> The Brothers WISP 
>> 
>>
>>
>> 
>>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] 10g wave lan phy vs 10g wan phy

[Faisal Imtiaz]

Like I said... 
Terminology means little.. 
Check the docs of what exactly you are being handed off... 

:) 

Faisal Imtiaz 
Snappy Internet & Telecom 
http://www.snappytelecom.net 

Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 

Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net 

> From: "Eric Kuhnke" 
> To: af@afmug.com
> Sent: Wednesday, December 20, 2017 1:56:13 PM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 10g wave lan phy vs 10g wan phy

> For those who've never ordered such circuits (pretty obvious you and I have,
> some others have not) I guess what I'm trying to say is that 99% of the time 
> "a
> wave" from a carrier means they want to interface with you with some standard
> non-WDM optic, like 1310nm LX or 1550nm within a building. The other 1% of the
> time you would be installing an actual DWDM channelized or tunable optic and
> feeding them an optical signal directly to their mux/demux. The 1% is a pretty
> rare scenario for smaller ISPs to be doing.

> On Wed, Dec 20, 2017 at 10:43 AM, Seth Mattinen < se...@rollernet.us > wrote:

>> On 12/20/17 09:59, Eric Kuhnke wrote:

>>> You write as if a major carrier lets just anybody run an alien wave 
>>> adjacent to
>>> all their other customers' circuits on two strands of fiber... Which is
>>> actually really rare. You need to have a high level of trust and confidence 
>>> in
>>> the abilities of the optical engineering on both sides. It is true that if 
>>> you
>>> buy a DWDM wavelength provisioned between a set of chassis on both ends 
>>> (Ciena,
>>> Adva, whatever) it will be indistinguishable /to you/ from a L2 ethernet
>>> circuit. Whatever device you put on one end with a single MAC address, or a 
>>> set
>>> of MAC addresses, will show up on the other end. Usually provisioned with
>>> 1310nm LX optics on both ends for the greatest cost effectiveness.

>> All I'm saying is if you are getting handed a wave directly, the carrier will
>> tell you the optics you need to present, which shouldn't be assumed to be
>> 1310nm. If you aren't getting the actual wave and there's an intermediate
>> device, of course on the back end the carrier hides it and presents uniform
>> 1310nm LX to customers.

>> In my case there was an option for Ethernet LAN PHY or wavelengths, so given 
>> the
>> option I went with the lower cost wavelength option. I know if I ordered the
>> Ethernet option they would have done the same thing except used a Ciena 6500 
>> to
>> hand off 1310nm LX. I also also know that not everyone has that option, I 
>> just
>> I didn't want to write a long ass email about it. People are free to think 
>> I'm
>> full of shit and ignore me, but maybe someone will think huh I didn't know
>> there could be a difference and expand their own knowledge base if they do in
>> the future order from a carrier that options actual wavelengths where you 
>> have
>> to match optics, or ask the salesperson if it's a possibility knowing 
>> there's a
>> difference.

>> ~Seth

Re: [AFMUG] Remote generator start options packetflux?

[Gino A. Villarini]

Ot buy a DC generador that start and stops At predetermined voltages...

Gino A. Villarini
@gvillarini






Gino A. Villarini


President
Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968

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On Dec 20, 2017, at 7:18 PM, George Skorup 
> wrote:

Yeahbut Forrest doesn't make the generator control board anymore.

On 12/20/2017 5:01 PM, Lewis Bergman wrote:

I think packetflux is likely the easiest with the most to offer our of the box. 
I know if one other out of the box solution that cost about 3 times as much. 
First can not only start it but he can use his shunt to make sure it is 
actually started and producing current.

If you want to do it yourself you could work some coding and such but it 
doesn't sound like that is what you want to do. Arduino, raspberry pi, etc. 
Could do this but you have to build it all yourself. Not really fast but fun if 
you like that kind of thing.

You would need some electronics knowledge if you don't want to spend a few days 
googling. I guess you still have to know enough to make Google work.

Again, see Forest for his genset setup. I know a lot of people in this list use 
it.

On Wed, Dec 20, 2017, 4:39 PM Eric Kuhnke 
> wrote:
assuming you have a generator that does auto-choke and is wired for electrical 
remote start, like the small generac units sold for RV use and similar... where 
all you need to do is turn on a relay for 4-5 seconds to crank a starter, then 
turn off the relay again.

one of these: http://tinycontrol.pl/en/lan-controller/

and one of these: http://tinycontrol.pl/en/relays-board-10a-v3/

or a thing like this: 
http://denkovi.com/ethernet-relay-card-5-channels-snmp-http-xml-real-time-clock-din-box


there are quite a few different DIN mount relay-controllers with basic http 
interfaces to turn on and off things. Some support things like receiving an 
snmp trap to trigger a relay for automated scripting.

On Wed, Dec 20, 2017 at 2:30 PM, Brandon Yuchasz 
> wrote:
We are looking at adding a remote start to a generator at an off grid site we 
have and I am gathering information  on options at this point.

Right now we are all Solar at the site.  It’s a new site and if / when we draw 
down batteries beyond where we are comfortable we turn go to the site turn off 
the PV and start a generator manually and run a 48v battery charger on the 
bank. It’s a fairly low tech solution right now. We log in turn off the PV 
array and a guy goes out and pulls the rope on the generator and batteries 
start to charge. He then leaves and in three hours generator runs out of fuel 
and charging stops. Log back in turn the PV back on and that’s the end of the 
process.

We are considering a few different options at the site and I don’t want to 
complicate this to much by offering to much information to start. Ill go into 
more details later but for now I am looking for a way to start a (different) 
propane generator remotely during the dark months. Most likely once a week in 
December and January.

So assuming electric start is an options on the generator. What options do I 
have for throwing that “switch” from the office. I am positive I am not the 
first one of us to want to do this.

Thoughts everyone? I want to KISS so when I am not around others can do this 
with minimal training.

Thanks,
Brandon

Re: [AFMUG] Remote generator start options packetflux?

[George Skorup]

Yeahbut Forrest doesn't make the generator control board anymore.

On 12/20/2017 5:01 PM, Lewis Bergman wrote:


I think packetflux is likely the easiest with the most to offer our of 
the box. I know if one other out of the box solution that cost about 3 
times as much. First can not only start it but he can use his shunt to 
make sure it is actually started and producing current.


If you want to do it yourself you could work some coding and such but 
it doesn't sound like that is what you want to do. Arduino, raspberry 
pi, etc. Could do this but you have to build it all yourself. Not 
really fast but fun if you like that kind of thing.


You would need some electronics knowledge if you don't want to spend a 
few days googling. I guess you still have to know enough to make 
Google work.


Again, see Forest for his genset setup. I know a lot of people in this 
list use it.



On Wed, Dec 20, 2017, 4:39 PM Eric Kuhnke > wrote:


assuming you have a generator that does auto-choke and is wired
for electrical remote start, like the small generac units sold for
RV use and similar... where all you need to do is turn on a relay
for 4-5 seconds to crank a starter, then turn off the relay again.

one of these: http://tinycontrol.pl/en/lan-controller/

and one of these: http://tinycontrol.pl/en/relays-board-10a-v3/

or a thing like this:

http://denkovi.com/ethernet-relay-card-5-channels-snmp-http-xml-real-time-clock-din-box


there are quite a few different DIN mount relay-controllers with
basic http interfaces to turn on and off things. Some support
things like receiving an snmp trap to trigger a relay for
automated scripting.

On Wed, Dec 20, 2017 at 2:30 PM, Brandon Yuchasz
> wrote:

We are looking at adding a remote start to a generator at an
off grid site we have and I am gathering information  on
options at this point.

Right now we are all Solar at the site.  It’s a new site and
if / when we draw down batteries beyond where we are
comfortable we turn go to the site turn off the PV and start a
generator manually and run a 48v battery charger on the bank.
It’s a fairly low tech solution right now. We log in turn off
the PV array and a guy goes out and pulls the rope on the
generator and batteries start to charge. He then leaves and in
three hours generator runs out of fuel and charging stops. Log
back in turn the PV back on and that’s the end of the process.

We are considering a few different options at the site and I
don’t want to complicate this to much by offering to much
information to start. Ill go into more details later but for
now I am looking for a way to start a (different) propane
generator remotely during the dark months. Most likely once a
week in December and January.

So assuming electric start is an options on the generator.
What options do I have for throwing that “switch” from the
office. I am positive I am not the first one of us to want to
do this.

Thoughts everyone? I want to KISS so when I am not around
others can do this with minimal training.

Thanks,

Brandon

Re: [AFMUG] Remote generator start options packetflux?

[Lewis Bergman]

I think packetflux is likely the easiest with the most to offer our of the
box. I know if one other out of the box solution that cost about 3 times as
much. First can not only start it but he can use his shunt to make sure it
is actually started and producing current.

If you want to do it yourself you could work some coding and such but it
doesn't sound like that is what you want to do. Arduino, raspberry pi, etc.
Could do this but you have to build it all yourself. Not really fast but
fun if you like that kind of thing.

You would need some electronics knowledge if you don't want to spend a few
days googling. I guess you still have to know enough to make Google work.

Again, see Forest for his genset setup. I know a lot of people in this list
use it.

On Wed, Dec 20, 2017, 4:39 PM Eric Kuhnke  wrote:

> assuming you have a generator that does auto-choke and is wired for
> electrical remote start, like the small generac units sold for RV use and
> similar... where all you need to do is turn on a relay for 4-5 seconds to
> crank a starter, then turn off the relay again.
>
> one of these: http://tinycontrol.pl/en/lan-controller/
>
> and one of these: http://tinycontrol.pl/en/relays-board-10a-v3/
>
> or a thing like this:
> http://denkovi.com/ethernet-relay-card-5-channels-snmp-http-xml-real-time-clock-din-box
>
>
> there are quite a few different DIN mount relay-controllers with basic
> http interfaces to turn on and off things. Some support things like
> receiving an snmp trap to trigger a relay for automated scripting.
>
> On Wed, Dec 20, 2017 at 2:30 PM, Brandon Yuchasz 
> wrote:
>
>> We are looking at adding a remote start to a generator at an off grid
>> site we have and I am gathering information  on options at this point.
>>
>>
>>
>> Right now we are all Solar at the site.  It’s a new site and if / when we
>> draw down batteries beyond where we are comfortable we turn go to the site
>> turn off the PV and start a generator manually and run a 48v battery
>> charger on the bank. It’s a fairly low tech solution right now. We log in
>> turn off the PV array and a guy goes out and pulls the rope on the
>> generator and batteries start to charge. He then leaves and in three hours
>> generator runs out of fuel and charging stops. Log back in turn the PV back
>> on and that’s the end of the process.
>>
>>
>>
>> We are considering a few different options at the site and I don’t want
>> to complicate this to much by offering to much information to start. Ill go
>> into more details later but for now I am looking for a way to start a
>> (different) propane generator remotely during the dark months. Most likely
>> once a week in December and January.
>>
>>
>>
>> So assuming electric start is an options on the generator. What options
>> do I have for throwing that “switch” from the office. I am positive I am
>> not the first one of us to want to do this.
>>
>>
>>
>> Thoughts everyone? I want to KISS so when I am not around others can do
>> this with minimal training.
>>
>>
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Brandon
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Remote generator start options packetflux?

[Eric Kuhnke]

assuming you have a generator that does auto-choke and is wired for
electrical remote start, like the small generac units sold for RV use and
similar... where all you need to do is turn on a relay for 4-5 seconds to
crank a starter, then turn off the relay again.

one of these: http://tinycontrol.pl/en/lan-controller/

and one of these: http://tinycontrol.pl/en/relays-board-10a-v3/

or a thing like this:
http://denkovi.com/ethernet-relay-card-5-channels-snmp-http-xml-real-time-clock-din-box


there are quite a few different DIN mount relay-controllers with basic http
interfaces to turn on and off things. Some support things like receiving an
snmp trap to trigger a relay for automated scripting.

On Wed, Dec 20, 2017 at 2:30 PM, Brandon Yuchasz 
wrote:

> We are looking at adding a remote start to a generator at an off grid site
> we have and I am gathering information  on options at this point.
>
>
>
> Right now we are all Solar at the site.  It’s a new site and if / when we
> draw down batteries beyond where we are comfortable we turn go to the site
> turn off the PV and start a generator manually and run a 48v battery
> charger on the bank. It’s a fairly low tech solution right now. We log in
> turn off the PV array and a guy goes out and pulls the rope on the
> generator and batteries start to charge. He then leaves and in three hours
> generator runs out of fuel and charging stops. Log back in turn the PV back
> on and that’s the end of the process.
>
>
>
> We are considering a few different options at the site and I don’t want to
> complicate this to much by offering to much information to start. Ill go
> into more details later but for now I am looking for a way to start a
> (different) propane generator remotely during the dark months. Most likely
> once a week in December and January.
>
>
>
> So assuming electric start is an options on the generator. What options do
> I have for throwing that “switch” from the office. I am positive I am not
> the first one of us to want to do this.
>
>
>
> Thoughts everyone? I want to KISS so when I am not around others can do
> this with minimal training.
>
>
>
> Thanks,
>
> Brandon
>
>
>
>
>

[AFMUG] Remote generator start options packetflux?

[Brandon Yuchasz]

We are looking at adding a remote start to a generator at an off grid site
we have and I am gathering information  on options at this point. 

 

Right now we are all Solar at the site.  It's a new site and if / when we
draw down batteries beyond where we are comfortable we turn go to the site
turn off the PV and start a generator manually and run a 48v battery charger
on the bank. It's a fairly low tech solution right now. We log in turn off
the PV array and a guy goes out and pulls the rope on the generator and
batteries start to charge. He then leaves and in three hours generator runs
out of fuel and charging stops. Log back in turn the PV back on and that's
the end of the process. 

 

We are considering a few different options at the site and I don't want to
complicate this to much by offering to much information to start. Ill go
into more details later but for now I am looking for a way to start a
(different) propane generator remotely during the dark months. Most likely
once a week in December and January.  

 

So assuming electric start is an options on the generator. What options do I
have for throwing that "switch" from the office. I am positive I am not the
first one of us to want to do this.

 

Thoughts everyone? I want to KISS so when I am not around others can do this
with minimal training.

 

Thanks,

Brandon

 

 

[AFMUG] starter networking book

[Steve Jones]

I found this gem as a PDF, its the book I give our new guys to read that
they never do, its what I started with. This is a newer edition with newer
info and a different author than mine, but its an excellent nuts and bolts
resource if you have any young pups wanting to get into the network game.


http://143.95.72.211/ebooks/sams_teach_yourself_tcpip_in_24_hours_4th_edition.pdf

Note, its IP housed, so may not be DMCA compliant

Re: [AFMUG] Thank you Cambium

[Mathew Howard]

They're taking pre-orders now, and I was told they'd probably be shipping
late January, so it would seem they missed the end of the year by a bit,
but it's not too far off track.

On Wed, Dec 20, 2017 at 3:43 PM, Mike Hammett  wrote:

> That's what they said last WISPAPALOOZA. This one they said it'll be
> shipping in PtP by the end of the year and PtMP Q1. There's not much left
> of that forecast.
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Midwest Internet Exchange 
> 
> 
> 
> The Brothers WISP 
> 
>
>
> 
> --
> *From: *"Sean Heskett" 
> *To: *af@afmug.com
> *Sent: *Wednesday, December 20, 2017 2:55:52 PM
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Thank you Cambium
>
> Um yeah I was talking about prizm/wireless manager, not the Wi-Fi prism
> chipset.
>
> As for epmp and 802.11ac cambium at wispapalooza stated that they were
> waiting for the ac wave 2 chipset which has better performance.
>
>
> -Sean
>
>
> On Wed, Dec 20, 2017 at 1:10 PM George Skorup 
> wrote:
>
>> I think you guys confused Rory. Chuck/Sean are talking about the old
>> Motorola PRIZM EMS (and BAM) for Canopy. I never used it. Or Wireless
>> Manager.
>>
>>
>> On 12/20/2017 11:57 AM, Rory Conaway wrote:
>>
>> 802.11ac?  Not this Christmas.  Any new dates?
>>
>>
>>
>> Rory
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] *On
>> Behalf Of *Sean Heskett
>> *Sent:* Wednesday, December 20, 2017 10:29 AM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Thank you Cambium
>>
>>
>>
>> WAY better than prism!
>>
>>
>>
>> -sean
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Dec 20, 2017 at 7:45 AM, Chuck McCown  wrote:
>>
>> So, better than Prism?
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Adam Moffett
>>
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, December 19, 2017 8:36 PM
>>
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>>
>> *Subject:* [AFMUG] Thank you Cambium
>>
>>
>>
>> Can I just take a moment to say 'thank you' to Cambium for making
>> Cnmaestro.
>>
>>
>>
>> It's what Breezeview would be if Telrad didn't hate me.
>>
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Thank you Cambium

[Mike Hammett]

That's what they said last WISPAPALOOZA. This one they said it'll be shipping 
in PtP by the end of the year and PtMP Q1. There's not much left of that 
forecast. 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 




- Original Message -

From: "Sean Heskett"  
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Wednesday, December 20, 2017 2:55:52 PM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Thank you Cambium 



Um yeah I was talking about prizm/wireless manager, not the Wi-Fi prism 
chipset. 


As for epmp and 802.11ac cambium at wispapalooza stated that they were waiting 
for the ac wave 2 chipset which has better performance. 




-Sean 




On Wed, Dec 20, 2017 at 1:10 PM George Skorup < george.sko...@cbcast.com > 
wrote: 



I think you guys confused Rory. Chuck/Sean are talking about the old Motorola 
PRIZM EMS (and BAM) for Canopy. I never used it. Or Wireless Manager. 



On 12/20/2017 11:57 AM, Rory Conaway wrote: 





802.11ac? Not this Christmas. Any new dates? 

Rory 

From: Af [ mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] On Behalf Of Sean Heskett 
Sent: Wednesday, December 20, 2017 10:29 AM 
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Thank you Cambium 


WAY better than prism! 



-sean 










On Wed, Dec 20, 2017 at 7:45 AM, Chuck McCown < ch...@wbmfg.com > wrote: 












So, better than Prism? 






From: Adam Moffett 

Sent: Tuesday, December 19, 2017 8:36 PM 

To: af@afmug.com 

Subject: [AFMUG] Thank you Cambium 



Can I just take a moment to say 'thank you' to Cambium for making Cnmaestro. 



It's what Breezeview would be if Telrad didn't hate me. 

Re: [AFMUG] Thank you Cambium

[Mike Hammett]

Wave 2, Mu-MIMO, SFP PORT, etc. 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 




- Original Message -

From: "Rory Conaway"  
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Wednesday, December 20, 2017 12:29:22 PM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Thank you Cambium 



My point is that Ubiquiti is on Gen 2, Mimosa has been out 2 years, both 
companies have horn antenna options either internally or through RF Elements 
which reduces the need for GPS but they both have that option. Both products 
are already delivering massive improvements over 802.11n and both companies 
have been bringing out firmware upgrades that are going to make it extremely 
difficult to want to add another company to the mix this late in the game. Now 
you have Ubiquiti testing LTU and who knows what Mimosa will have by then. 

It’s good to see Motorola, err, Cambium come out in 802.11ac but if it doesn’t 
walk on water or penetrate buildings, it’s going to be very hard to justify 
adding it to the tool box 3-4 years after the first 802.11ac products came to 
market. The more things change, the more they stay the same. 

Rory 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Mathew Howard 
Sent: Wednesday, December 20, 2017 11:10 AM 
To: af 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Thank you Cambium 


Assuming you're talking about ePMP, the Force 300 is supposed to be out Q1 2018 
(I was told late January when I pre-ordered), but they're initially going to be 
PTP only, with the 802.11ac AP's expected sometime later in the year. 



On Wed, Dec 20, 2017 at 11:57 AM, Rory Conaway < r...@triadwireless.net > 
wrote: 


802.11ac? Not this Christmas. Any new dates? 

Rory 

From: Af [mailto: af-boun...@afmug.com ] On Behalf Of Sean Heskett 
Sent: Wednesday, December 20, 2017 10:29 AM 
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Thank you Cambium 




WAY better than prism! 



-sean 





On Wed, Dec 20, 2017 at 7:45 AM, Chuck McCown < ch...@wbmfg.com > wrote: 




So, better than Prism? 






From: Adam Moffett 

Sent: Tuesday, December 19, 2017 8:36 PM 

To: af@afmug.com 

Subject: [AFMUG] Thank you Cambium 



Can I just take a moment to say 'thank you' to Cambium for making Cnmaestro. 



It's what Breezeview would be if Telrad didn't hate me. 

Re: [AFMUG] Thank you Cambium

[Mathew Howard]

Yeah, one of the reasons Cambium gave for not coming out with an AC based
ePMP sooner, was that they didn't see much benefit to the earlier AC
chipsets. Since the primary advantages came from using wider channels and
the ability to do 256qam, which aren't going to help a lot in what I'm
guessing are the majority of ePMP networks, that makes sense to me. If
you're doing micropops where you have enough spectrum available to use
80mhz channels and lots of signal, then sure, it's great. But for those of
us that are limited to 20mhz channels in most cases, and a lot of times are
lucky to consistently be able to run at 64qam, whether we're using an N or
AC chipset isn't going to make a whole lot of difference.

On Wed, Dec 20, 2017 at 2:55 PM, Sean Heskett  wrote:

> Um yeah I was talking about prizm/wireless manager, not the Wi-Fi prism
> chipset.
>
> As for epmp and 802.11ac cambium at wispapalooza stated that they were
> waiting for the ac wave 2 chipset which has better performance.
>
>
> -Sean
>
>
> On Wed, Dec 20, 2017 at 1:10 PM George Skorup 
> wrote:
>
>> I think you guys confused Rory. Chuck/Sean are talking about the old
>> Motorola PRIZM EMS (and BAM) for Canopy. I never used it. Or Wireless
>> Manager.
>>
>>
>> On 12/20/2017 11:57 AM, Rory Conaway wrote:
>>
>> 802.11ac?  Not this Christmas.  Any new dates?
>>
>>
>>
>> Rory
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] *On
>> Behalf Of *Sean Heskett
>> *Sent:* Wednesday, December 20, 2017 10:29 AM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Thank you Cambium
>>
>>
>>
>> WAY better than prism!
>>
>>
>>
>> -sean
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Dec 20, 2017 at 7:45 AM, Chuck McCown  wrote:
>>
>> So, better than Prism?
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Adam Moffett
>>
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, December 19, 2017 8:36 PM
>>
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>>
>> *Subject:* [AFMUG] Thank you Cambium
>>
>>
>>
>> Can I just take a moment to say 'thank you' to Cambium for making
>> Cnmaestro.
>>
>>
>>
>> It's what Breezeview would be if Telrad didn't hate me.
>>
>>

Re: [AFMUG] Rodeo networks IPTV

[Sean Heskett]

There are zero over the air channels available in our location (mountains
of CO) so an an antenna isn’t an option for us.

-Sean


On Wed, Dec 20, 2017 at 1:43 PM Rory Conaway  wrote:

> Local channels are a problem because of the cost.  However, if you put up
> an outdoor antenna at that same time, it takes care of the problem.  That
> is our plan for an additional price.  We are testing antennas right now.
>
>
>
> Rory
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Christopher Gray
> *Sent:* Wednesday, December 20, 2017 12:41 PM
>
>
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Rodeo networks IPTV
>
>
>
> I've been in a similar boat as Chris. Working to make it work, but waiting
> on further progress from the Rodeo side. I've entertained RealChoiceTV as
> the next choice, but the costs are simply too high. Rodeo Networks appears
> to have a good product based on good technology... they just don't have all
> the components in place yet. They are making a large fundamental change on
> their network over the next 2 weeks with improved capacity, and hopefully
> improved transcoding after that.
>
>
>
> It seems to me way to secure TV customers is in providing local channels.
> Almost all of the non-local channels have other means of delivery that will
> easily win in a cost comparison.
>
> As far as multicast over a WISP, Cambium has some good examples of
> functioning multicast IPTV systems in Europe(?) using the same base
> middleware as Rodeo over ePMP.
>
> On Tue, Dec 19, 2017 at 8:03 AM, Chris Fabien  wrote:
>
> I would wait a few months and check back, I think (hope) they are getting
> close but have zero trust in anything they are telling me that I can't
> see/verify. If there was something with similar capabilities in terms of
> pricing/channels we would have bailed long ago, but I couldn't find another
> option that I thought would work for my customers.
>
> On Mon, Dec 18, 2017 at 6:09 PM, Sean Heskett  wrote:
>
> Hi Chris,
>
>
>
> thanks for your feedback.  I've heard similar experiences from others
> which is now making me gun shy.  I like their pricing and channel lineup
> but if they can't deliver then it really doesn't matter much.
>
>
>
> -sean
>
>
>
> On Mon, Dec 18, 2017 at 2:53 PM, Chris Fabien  wrote:
>
> They are NOT ready to launch yet. They have been signing resellers up for
> close to a year and they are still building a proper headend with adequate
> bandwidth to provide the service. We signed with them in March, still don't
> have anything we can sell.  The product has promise and they give you the
> flexibility to create your own channel lineup so you can really offer a
> good value to your customers, but the months and months of excuses and poor
> communication have us about ready to throw in the towel on it. I can
> discuss more offlist if you like.
>
>
>
> Chris Fabien
>
> LakeNet LLC
>
>
>
>
>
> On Mon, Dec 18, 2017 at 2:07 PM, Sean Heskett  wrote:
>
> Hello AF gang,
>
>
>
> We are looking at potentially going with Rodeo Networks IPTV solution on
> our network but I wanted to first ask the group if anyone has any
> experience with them.  If so would you be willing to discuss (either
> on-list or off-list) your experience.
>
>
>
> Thanks!
>
>
>
> -Sean
>
>
>
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Thank you Cambium

[Sean Heskett]

Um yeah I was talking about prizm/wireless manager, not the Wi-Fi prism
chipset.

As for epmp and 802.11ac cambium at wispapalooza stated that they were
waiting for the ac wave 2 chipset which has better performance.


-Sean


On Wed, Dec 20, 2017 at 1:10 PM George Skorup 
wrote:

> I think you guys confused Rory. Chuck/Sean are talking about the old
> Motorola PRIZM EMS (and BAM) for Canopy. I never used it. Or Wireless
> Manager.
>
>
> On 12/20/2017 11:57 AM, Rory Conaway wrote:
>
> 802.11ac?  Not this Christmas.  Any new dates?
>
>
>
> Rory
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] *On
> Behalf Of *Sean Heskett
> *Sent:* Wednesday, December 20, 2017 10:29 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Thank you Cambium
>
>
>
> WAY better than prism!
>
>
>
> -sean
>
>
>
> On Wed, Dec 20, 2017 at 7:45 AM, Chuck McCown  wrote:
>
> So, better than Prism?
>
>
>
> *From:* Adam Moffett
>
> *Sent:* Tuesday, December 19, 2017 8:36 PM
>
> *To:* af@afmug.com
>
> *Subject:* [AFMUG] Thank you Cambium
>
>
>
> Can I just take a moment to say 'thank you' to Cambium for making
> Cnmaestro.
>
>
>
> It's what Breezeview would be if Telrad didn't hate me.
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Rodeo networks IPTV

[Chuck McCown]

Tivo blends OTA, DVR and OTT streaming.

From: Rory Conaway 
Sent: Wednesday, December 20, 2017 1:43 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Rodeo networks IPTV

Local channels are a problem because of the cost.  However, if you put up an 
outdoor antenna at that same time, it takes care of the problem.  That is our 
plan for an additional price.  We are testing antennas right now.

 

Rory

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Christopher Gray
Sent: Wednesday, December 20, 2017 12:41 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Rodeo networks IPTV

 

I've been in a similar boat as Chris. Working to make it work, but waiting on 
further progress from the Rodeo side. I've entertained RealChoiceTV as the next 
choice, but the costs are simply too high. Rodeo Networks appears to have a 
good product based on good technology... they just don't have all the 
components in place yet. They are making a large fundamental change on their 
network over the next 2 weeks with improved capacity, and hopefully improved 
transcoding after that. 

It seems to me way to secure TV customers is in providing local channels. 
Almost all of the non-local channels have other means of delivery that will 
easily win in a cost comparison.

 

As far as multicast over a WISP, Cambium has some good examples of functioning 
multicast IPTV systems in Europe(?) using the same base middleware as Rodeo 
over ePMP.




 

 

On Tue, Dec 19, 2017 at 8:03 AM, Chris Fabien  wrote:

  I would wait a few months and check back, I think (hope) they are getting 
close but have zero trust in anything they are telling me that I can't 
see/verify. If there was something with similar capabilities in terms of 
pricing/channels we would have bailed long ago, but I couldn't find another 
option that I thought would work for my customers. 

   

  On Mon, Dec 18, 2017 at 6:09 PM, Sean Heskett  wrote:

Hi Chris,

 

thanks for your feedback.  I've heard similar experiences from others which 
is now making me gun shy.  I like their pricing and channel lineup but if they 
can't deliver then it really doesn't matter much.

 

-sean

 

 

On Mon, Dec 18, 2017 at 2:53 PM, Chris Fabien  wrote:

  They are NOT ready to launch yet. They have been signing resellers up for 
close to a year and they are still building a proper headend with adequate 
bandwidth to provide the service. We signed with them in March, still don't 
have anything we can sell.  The product has promise and they give you the 
flexibility to create your own channel lineup so you can really offer a good 
value to your customers, but the months and months of excuses and poor 
communication have us about ready to throw in the towel on it. I can discuss 
more offlist if you like. 

   

  Chris Fabien

  LakeNet LLC

   

   

  On Mon, Dec 18, 2017 at 2:07 PM, Sean Heskett  wrote:

Hello AF gang,

 

We are looking at potentially going with Rodeo Networks IPTV solution 
on our network but I wanted to first ask the group if anyone has any experience 
with them.  If so would you be willing to discuss (either on-list or off-list) 
your experience.

 

Thanks!

 

-Sean

 

   

 

   

 

Re: [AFMUG] Rodeo networks IPTV

[Rory Conaway]

Local channels are a problem because of the cost.  However, if you put up an 
outdoor antenna at that same time, it takes care of the problem.  That is our 
plan for an additional price.  We are testing antennas right now.

Rory

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Christopher Gray
Sent: Wednesday, December 20, 2017 12:41 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Rodeo networks IPTV

I've been in a similar boat as Chris. Working to make it work, but waiting on 
further progress from the Rodeo side. I've entertained RealChoiceTV as the next 
choice, but the costs are simply too high. Rodeo Networks appears to have a 
good product based on good technology... they just don't have all the 
components in place yet. They are making a large fundamental change on their 
network over the next 2 weeks with improved capacity, and hopefully improved 
transcoding after that.

It seems to me way to secure TV customers is in providing local channels. 
Almost all of the non-local channels have other means of delivery that will 
easily win in a cost comparison.

As far as multicast over a WISP, Cambium has some good examples of functioning 
multicast IPTV systems in Europe(?) using the same base middleware as Rodeo 
over ePMP.



On Tue, Dec 19, 2017 at 8:03 AM, Chris Fabien 
> wrote:
I would wait a few months and check back, I think (hope) they are getting close 
but have zero trust in anything they are telling me that I can't see/verify. If 
there was something with similar capabilities in terms of pricing/channels we 
would have bailed long ago, but I couldn't find another option that I thought 
would work for my customers.

On Mon, Dec 18, 2017 at 6:09 PM, Sean Heskett 
> wrote:
Hi Chris,

thanks for your feedback.  I've heard similar experiences from others which is 
now making me gun shy.  I like their pricing and channel lineup but if they 
can't deliver then it really doesn't matter much.

-sean


On Mon, Dec 18, 2017 at 2:53 PM, Chris Fabien 
> wrote:
They are NOT ready to launch yet. They have been signing resellers up for close 
to a year and they are still building a proper headend with adequate bandwidth 
to provide the service. We signed with them in March, still don't have anything 
we can sell.  The product has promise and they give you the flexibility to 
create your own channel lineup so you can really offer a good value to your 
customers, but the months and months of excuses and poor communication have us 
about ready to throw in the towel on it. I can discuss more offlist if you like.

Chris Fabien
LakeNet LLC


On Mon, Dec 18, 2017 at 2:07 PM, Sean Heskett 
> wrote:
Hello AF gang,

We are looking at potentially going with Rodeo Networks IPTV solution on our 
network but I wanted to first ask the group if anyone has any experience with 
them.  If so would you be willing to discuss (either on-list or off-list) your 
experience.

Thanks!

-Sean

Re: [AFMUG] Fiber media converters

[Jason McKemie]

Just make sure you update the firmware, I had some very odd issues with
v2.0 on the newer RB260GS.

On Wednesday, December 20, 2017, Jay Weekley 
wrote:

> That's two for the RB260GS.
>
> Jason McKemie wrote:
>
>> RB260GS with appropriate SFP.
>>
>> On Tuesday, December 19, 2017, Jay Weekley > > wrote:
>>
>> Looking for recommendations for a gigabit media converter that
>> takes SC connectors.  I've pulled a few recommendations from a
>> previous thread but am looking for a few more.
>>
>>
>> > source=link_campaign=sig-email_content=emailclient>
>> Virus-free. www.avg.com > ature?utm_medium=email_source=link_campaign=sig-
>> email_content=emailclient>
>>
>> <#DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2>
>>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Thank you Cambium

[Steve Jones]

prizm, the greatest prank motorola ever played on the industry

On Wed, Dec 20, 2017 at 2:20 PM, Adam Moffett  wrote:

> Oh maybeI didn't think of the Prism WiFi chipset.
>
>
> -- Original Message --
> From: "George Skorup" 
> To: af@afmug.com
> Sent: 12/20/2017 3:10:11 PM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Thank you Cambium
>
> I think you guys confused Rory. Chuck/Sean are talking about the old
> Motorola PRIZM EMS (and BAM) for Canopy. I never used it. Or Wireless
> Manager.
>
> On 12/20/2017 11:57 AM, Rory Conaway wrote:
>
> 802.11ac?  Not this Christmas.  Any new dates?
>
>
>
> Rory
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] *On
> Behalf Of *Sean Heskett
> *Sent:* Wednesday, December 20, 2017 10:29 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Thank you Cambium
>
>
>
> WAY better than prism!
>
>
>
> -sean
>
>
>
>
>
> On Wed, Dec 20, 2017 at 7:45 AM, Chuck McCown  wrote:
>
> So, better than Prism?
>
>
>
> *From:* Adam Moffett
>
> *Sent:* Tuesday, December 19, 2017 8:36 PM
>
> *To:* af@afmug.com
>
> *Subject:* [AFMUG] Thank you Cambium
>
>
>
> Can I just take a moment to say 'thank you' to Cambium for making
> Cnmaestro.
>
>
>
> It's what Breezeview would be if Telrad didn't hate me.
>
>
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Thank you Cambium

[Adam Moffett]

Oh maybeI didn't think of the Prism WiFi chipset.


-- Original Message --
From: "George Skorup" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: 12/20/2017 3:10:11 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Thank you Cambium

I think you guys confused Rory. Chuck/Sean are talking about the old 
Motorola PRIZM EMS (and BAM) for Canopy. I never used it. Or Wireless 
Manager.


On 12/20/2017 11:57 AM, Rory Conaway wrote:

802.11ac?  Not this Christmas.  Any new dates?



Rory



From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Sean Heskett
Sent: Wednesday, December 20, 2017 10:29 AM
To:af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Thank you Cambium



WAY better than prism!



-sean





On Wed, Dec 20, 2017 at 7:45 AM, Chuck McCown  wrote:

So, better than Prism?



From: Adam Moffett

Sent: Tuesday, December 19, 2017 8:36 PM

To:af@afmug.com

Subject: [AFMUG] Thank you Cambium



Can I just take a moment to say 'thank you' to Cambium for making 
Cnmaestro.




It's what Breezeview would be if Telrad didn't hate me.

Re: [AFMUG] Thank you Cambium

[George Skorup]

I think you guys confused Rory. Chuck/Sean are talking about the old 
Motorola PRIZM EMS (and BAM) for Canopy. I never used it. Or Wireless 
Manager.


On 12/20/2017 11:57 AM, Rory Conaway wrote:


802.11ac? Not this Christmas.  Any new dates?

Rory

*From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Sean Heskett
*Sent:* Wednesday, December 20, 2017 10:29 AM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Thank you Cambium

WAY better than prism!

-sean

On Wed, Dec 20, 2017 at 7:45 AM, Chuck McCown > wrote:


So, better than Prism?

*From:*Adam Moffett

*Sent:*Tuesday, December 19, 2017 8:36 PM

*To:*af@afmug.com 

*Subject:*[AFMUG] Thank you Cambium

Can I just take a moment to say 'thank you' to Cambium for making 
Cnmaestro.


It's what Breezeview would be if Telrad didn't hate me.

Re: [AFMUG] Thank you Cambium

[Seth Mattinen]

On 12/20/17 11:44, Mathew Howard wrote:
Yep... Cambium came out with their first ePMP N based stuff around the 
same time UBNT came out with their AC stuff, but ePMP still did pretty 
well. Being able to do higher speeds isn't always the most important thing.



ePMP had working GPS sync when it was released.

~Seth

Re: [AFMUG] Thank you Cambium

[Adam Moffett]

Well put.
Cambium is not usually at the top in terms of speed or the latest trend, 
but they end up delivering a better set of features and a more polished 
product.


Anyway, I wasn't trying to rekindle the same old debate.  What prompted 
my message was that I went into CnMaestro and realized some ePMP units 
had older firmware, so I just clicked a button and updated them all to 
3.5.  Then it occurred to me that I'd run across a few with non-standard 
passwords, so I exported a config with the correct passwords, made a 
template out of the sysAccount section, and applied the template to all 
units.  Passwords were now standardized across all ePMP CPE in a few 
minutes.  Then I made more templates to pre launch AP's and SM'sjust 
because I could.  Then I found the reports which dump CSV's with 
performance data, then I found you could schedule recurring dumps of 
that data to an FTP server and started thinking of the possibilities I 
could do with that.


We paid the value of a new car for Telrad Breezeview and it's not even 
half as good as CnMaestro is for free.  I have not looked at AirControl 
in the past 18 months or so, so I can't fairly compare to Ubiquiti.



-- Original Message --
From: "Steve Jones" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: 12/20/2017 2:10:03 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Thank you Cambium

cambium may have come late to the wifi n game, but they destroyed it 
with EPMP, I expect the same with their AC product line. sure ubnt and 
others fanboys will throw fits, but at the end of the day, just like 
all their other WISP targeted products, theyll dominate. I say this 
hating cambium too


On Wed, Dec 20, 2017 at 1:04 PM, Stefan Englhardt  
wrote:
Yes. We’re only buying .ac for a year now while cambium still has no 
selling date. And there is nothing wrong with UBNT ac.


This LTU stuff might be the hot topic next year if UBNT gets the SW 
done …






Von: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] Im Auftrag von Rory Conaway
Gesendet: Mittwoch, 20. Dezember 2017 19:29
An:af@afmug.com
Betreff: Re: [AFMUG] Thank you Cambium



My point is that Ubiquiti is on Gen 2, Mimosa has been out 2 years, 
both companies have horn antenna options either internally or through 
RF Elements which reduces the need for GPS but they both have that 
option.  Both products are already delivering massive improvements 
over 802.11n and both companies have been bringing out firmware 
upgrades that are going to make it extremely difficult to want to add 
another company to the mix this late in the game.  Now you have 
Ubiquiti testing LTU and who knows what Mimosa will have by then.


It’s good to see Motorola, err, Cambium come out in 802.11ac but if it 
doesn’t walk on water or penetrate buildings, it’s going to be very 
hard to justify adding it to the tool box 3-4 years after the first 
802.11ac products came to market.  The more things change, the more 
they stay the same.


Rory



From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Mathew Howard
Sent: Wednesday, December 20, 2017 11:10 AM
To: af
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Thank you Cambium



Assuming you're talking about ePMP, the Force 300 is supposed to be 
out Q1 2018 (I was told late January when I pre-ordered), but they're 
initially going to be PTP only, with the 802.11ac AP's expected 
sometime later in the year.




On Wed, Dec 20, 2017 at 11:57 AM, Rory Conaway 
 wrote:


802.11ac?  Not this Christmas.  Any new dates?



Rory



From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Sean Heskett
Sent: Wednesday, December 20, 2017 10:29 AM
To:af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Thank you Cambium



WAY better than prism!



-sean





On Wed, Dec 20, 2017 at 7:45 AM, Chuck McCown  wrote:

So, better than Prism?



From: Adam Moffett

Sent: Tuesday, December 19, 2017 8:36 PM

To:af@afmug.com

Subject: [AFMUG] Thank you Cambium



Can I just take a moment to say 'thank you' to Cambium for making 
Cnmaestro.




It's what Breezeview would be if Telrad didn't hate me.

Re: [AFMUG] Thank you Cambium

[Mathew Howard]

Yep... Cambium came out with their first ePMP N based stuff around the same
time UBNT came out with their AC stuff, but ePMP still did pretty well.
Being able to do higher speeds isn't always the most important thing.

LTU certainly could make things interesting though.

On Wed, Dec 20, 2017 at 1:10 PM, Steve Jones 
wrote:

> cambium may have come late to the wifi n game, but they destroyed it with
> EPMP, I expect the same with their AC product line. sure ubnt and others
> fanboys will throw fits, but at the end of the day, just like all their
> other WISP targeted products, theyll dominate. I say this hating cambium too
>
> On Wed, Dec 20, 2017 at 1:04 PM, Stefan Englhardt  wrote:
>
>> Yes. We’re only buying .ac for a year now while cambium still has no
>> selling date. And there is nothing wrong with UBNT ac.
>>
>> This LTU stuff might be the hot topic next year if UBNT gets the SW done …
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *Von:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *Im Auftrag von *Rory Conaway
>> *Gesendet:* Mittwoch, 20. Dezember 2017 19:29
>> *An:* af@afmug.com
>> *Betreff:* Re: [AFMUG] Thank you Cambium
>>
>>
>>
>> My point is that Ubiquiti is on Gen 2, Mimosa has been out 2 years, both
>> companies have horn antenna options either internally or through RF
>> Elements which reduces the need for GPS but they both have that option.
>> Both products are already delivering massive improvements over 802.11n and
>> both companies have been bringing out firmware upgrades that are going to
>> make it extremely difficult to want to add another company to the mix this
>> late in the game.  Now you have Ubiquiti testing LTU and who knows what
>> Mimosa will have by then.
>>
>> It’s good to see Motorola, err, Cambium come out in 802.11ac but if it
>> doesn’t walk on water or penetrate buildings, it’s going to be very hard to
>> justify adding it to the tool box 3-4 years after the first 802.11ac
>> products came to market.  The more things change, the more they stay the
>> same.
>>
>> Rory
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] *On
>> Behalf Of *Mathew Howard
>> *Sent:* Wednesday, December 20, 2017 11:10 AM
>> *To:* af
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Thank you Cambium
>>
>>
>>
>> Assuming you're talking about ePMP, the Force 300 is supposed to be out
>> Q1 2018 (I was told late January when I pre-ordered), but they're initially
>> going to be PTP only, with the 802.11ac AP's expected sometime later in the
>> year.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Dec 20, 2017 at 11:57 AM, Rory Conaway 
>> wrote:
>>
>> 802.11ac?  Not this Christmas.  Any new dates?
>>
>>
>>
>> Rory
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Sean Heskett
>> *Sent:* Wednesday, December 20, 2017 10:29 AM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Thank you Cambium
>>
>>
>>
>> WAY better than prism!
>>
>>
>>
>> -sean
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Dec 20, 2017 at 7:45 AM, Chuck McCown  wrote:
>>
>> So, better than Prism?
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Adam Moffett
>>
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, December 19, 2017 8:36 PM
>>
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>>
>> *Subject:* [AFMUG] Thank you Cambium
>>
>>
>>
>> Can I just take a moment to say 'thank you' to Cambium for making
>> Cnmaestro.
>>
>>
>>
>> It's what Breezeview would be if Telrad didn't hate me.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Rodeo networks IPTV

[Christopher Gray]

I've been in a similar boat as Chris. Working to make it work, but waiting
on further progress from the Rodeo side. I've entertained RealChoiceTV as
the next choice, but the costs are simply too high. Rodeo Networks appears
to have a good product based on good technology... they just don't have all
the components in place yet. They are making a large fundamental change on
their network over the next 2 weeks with improved capacity, and hopefully
improved transcoding after that.

It seems to me way to secure TV customers is in providing local channels.
Almost all of the non-local channels have other means of delivery that will
easily win in a cost comparison.

As far as multicast over a WISP, Cambium has some good examples of
functioning multicast IPTV systems in Europe(?) using the same base
middleware as Rodeo over ePMP.



On Tue, Dec 19, 2017 at 8:03 AM, Chris Fabien  wrote:

> I would wait a few months and check back, I think (hope) they are getting
> close but have zero trust in anything they are telling me that I can't
> see/verify. If there was something with similar capabilities in terms of
> pricing/channels we would have bailed long ago, but I couldn't find another
> option that I thought would work for my customers.
>
> On Mon, Dec 18, 2017 at 6:09 PM, Sean Heskett  wrote:
>
>> Hi Chris,
>>
>> thanks for your feedback.  I've heard similar experiences from others
>> which is now making me gun shy.  I like their pricing and channel lineup
>> but if they can't deliver then it really doesn't matter much.
>>
>> -sean
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Dec 18, 2017 at 2:53 PM, Chris Fabien 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> They are NOT ready to launch yet. They have been signing resellers up
>>> for close to a year and they are still building a proper headend with
>>> adequate bandwidth to provide the service. We signed with them in March,
>>> still don't have anything we can sell.  The product has promise and they
>>> give you the flexibility to create your own channel lineup so you can
>>> really offer a good value to your customers, but the months and months of
>>> excuses and poor communication have us about ready to throw in the towel on
>>> it. I can discuss more offlist if you like.
>>>
>>> Chris Fabien
>>> LakeNet LLC
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mon, Dec 18, 2017 at 2:07 PM, Sean Heskett  wrote:
>>>
 Hello AF gang,

 We are looking at potentially going with Rodeo Networks IPTV solution
 on our network but I wanted to first ask the group if anyone has any
 experience with them.  If so would you be willing to discuss (either
 on-list or off-list) your experience.

 Thanks!

 -Sean


>>>
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Thank you Cambium

[Steve Jones]

cambium may have come late to the wifi n game, but they destroyed it with
EPMP, I expect the same with their AC product line. sure ubnt and others
fanboys will throw fits, but at the end of the day, just like all their
other WISP targeted products, theyll dominate. I say this hating cambium too

On Wed, Dec 20, 2017 at 1:04 PM, Stefan Englhardt  wrote:

> Yes. We’re only buying .ac for a year now while cambium still has no
> selling date. And there is nothing wrong with UBNT ac.
>
> This LTU stuff might be the hot topic next year if UBNT gets the SW done …
>
>
>
>
>
> *Von:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *Im Auftrag von *Rory Conaway
> *Gesendet:* Mittwoch, 20. Dezember 2017 19:29
> *An:* af@afmug.com
> *Betreff:* Re: [AFMUG] Thank you Cambium
>
>
>
> My point is that Ubiquiti is on Gen 2, Mimosa has been out 2 years, both
> companies have horn antenna options either internally or through RF
> Elements which reduces the need for GPS but they both have that option.
> Both products are already delivering massive improvements over 802.11n and
> both companies have been bringing out firmware upgrades that are going to
> make it extremely difficult to want to add another company to the mix this
> late in the game.  Now you have Ubiquiti testing LTU and who knows what
> Mimosa will have by then.
>
> It’s good to see Motorola, err, Cambium come out in 802.11ac but if it
> doesn’t walk on water or penetrate buildings, it’s going to be very hard to
> justify adding it to the tool box 3-4 years after the first 802.11ac
> products came to market.  The more things change, the more they stay the
> same.
>
> Rory
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] *On
> Behalf Of *Mathew Howard
> *Sent:* Wednesday, December 20, 2017 11:10 AM
> *To:* af
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Thank you Cambium
>
>
>
> Assuming you're talking about ePMP, the Force 300 is supposed to be out Q1
> 2018 (I was told late January when I pre-ordered), but they're initially
> going to be PTP only, with the 802.11ac AP's expected sometime later in the
> year.
>
>
>
> On Wed, Dec 20, 2017 at 11:57 AM, Rory Conaway 
> wrote:
>
> 802.11ac?  Not this Christmas.  Any new dates?
>
>
>
> Rory
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Sean Heskett
> *Sent:* Wednesday, December 20, 2017 10:29 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Thank you Cambium
>
>
>
> WAY better than prism!
>
>
>
> -sean
>
>
>
>
>
> On Wed, Dec 20, 2017 at 7:45 AM, Chuck McCown  wrote:
>
> So, better than Prism?
>
>
>
> *From:* Adam Moffett
>
> *Sent:* Tuesday, December 19, 2017 8:36 PM
>
> *To:* af@afmug.com
>
> *Subject:* [AFMUG] Thank you Cambium
>
>
>
> Can I just take a moment to say 'thank you' to Cambium for making
> Cnmaestro.
>
>
>
> It's what Breezeview would be if Telrad didn't hate me.
>
>
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Thank you Cambium

[Stefan Englhardt]

Yes. We’re only buying .ac for a year now while cambium still has no selling 
date. And there is nothing wrong with UBNT ac.

This LTU stuff might be the hot topic next year if UBNT gets the SW done …

 

 

Von: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] Im Auftrag von Rory Conaway
Gesendet: Mittwoch, 20. Dezember 2017 19:29
An: af@afmug.com
Betreff: Re: [AFMUG] Thank you Cambium

 

My point is that Ubiquiti is on Gen 2, Mimosa has been out 2 years, both 
companies have horn antenna options either internally or through RF Elements 
which reduces the need for GPS but they both have that option.  Both products 
are already delivering massive improvements over 802.11n and both companies 
have been bringing out firmware upgrades that are going to make it extremely 
difficult to want to add another company to the mix this late in the game.  Now 
you have Ubiquiti testing LTU and who knows what Mimosa will have by then.   

It’s good to see Motorola, err, Cambium come out in 802.11ac but if it doesn’t 
walk on water or penetrate buildings, it’s going to be very hard to justify 
adding it to the tool box 3-4 years after the first 802.11ac products came to 
market.  The more things change, the more they stay the same.  

Rory

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Mathew Howard
Sent: Wednesday, December 20, 2017 11:10 AM
To: af
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Thank you Cambium

 

Assuming you're talking about ePMP, the Force 300 is supposed to be out Q1 2018 
(I was told late January when I pre-ordered), but they're initially going to be 
PTP only, with the 802.11ac AP's expected sometime later in the year.

 

On Wed, Dec 20, 2017 at 11:57 AM, Rory Conaway  > wrote:

802.11ac?  Not this Christmas.  Any new dates?

 

Rory

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com  ] On Behalf 
Of Sean Heskett
Sent: Wednesday, December 20, 2017 10:29 AM
To: af@afmug.com  
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Thank you Cambium

 

WAY better than prism!

 

-sean

 

 

On Wed, Dec 20, 2017 at 7:45 AM, Chuck McCown  > wrote:

So, better than Prism?

 

From: Adam Moffett 

Sent: Tuesday, December 19, 2017 8:36 PM

To: af@afmug.com   

Subject: [AFMUG] Thank you Cambium

 

Can I just take a moment to say 'thank you' to Cambium for making Cnmaestro.   

 

It's what Breezeview would be if Telrad didn't hate me.

 

 

Re: [AFMUG] 10g wave lan phy vs 10g wan phy

[Eric Kuhnke]

For those who've never ordered such circuits (pretty obvious you and I
have, some others have not) I guess what I'm trying to say is that 99% of
the time "a wave" from a carrier means they want to interface with you with
some standard non-WDM optic, like 1310nm LX or 1550nm within a building.
The other 1% of the time you would be installing an actual DWDM channelized
or tunable optic and feeding them an optical signal directly to their
mux/demux. The 1% is a pretty rare scenario for smaller ISPs to be doing.



On Wed, Dec 20, 2017 at 10:43 AM, Seth Mattinen  wrote:

> On 12/20/17 09:59, Eric Kuhnke wrote:
>
>> You write as if a major carrier lets just anybody run an alien wave
>> adjacent to all their other customers' circuits on two strands of fiber...
>> Which is actually really rare. You need to have a high level of trust and
>> confidence in the abilities of the optical engineering on both sides. It is
>> true that if you buy a DWDM wavelength provisioned between a set of chassis
>> on both ends (Ciena, Adva, whatever) it will be indistinguishable /to you/
>> from a L2 ethernet circuit. Whatever device you put on one end with a
>> single MAC address, or a set of MAC addresses, will show up on the other
>> end. Usually provisioned with 1310nm LX optics on both ends for the
>> greatest cost effectiveness.
>>
>
>
>
> All I'm saying is if you are getting handed a wave directly, the carrier
> will tell you the optics you need to present, which shouldn't be assumed to
> be 1310nm. If you aren't getting the actual wave and there's an
> intermediate device, of course on the back end the carrier hides it and
> presents uniform 1310nm LX to customers.
>
> In my case there was an option for Ethernet LAN PHY or wavelengths, so
> given the option I went with the lower cost wavelength option. I know if I
> ordered the Ethernet option they would have done the same thing except used
> a Ciena 6500 to hand off 1310nm LX. I also also know that not everyone has
> that option, I just I didn't want to write a long ass email about it.
> People are free to think I'm full of shit and ignore me, but maybe someone
> will think huh I didn't know there could be a difference and expand their
> own knowledge base if they do in the future order from a carrier that
> options actual wavelengths where you have to match optics, or ask the
> salesperson if it's a possibility knowing there's a difference.
>
> ~Seth
>

Re: [AFMUG] 10g wave lan phy vs 10g wan phy

[Seth Mattinen]

On 12/20/17 09:59, Eric Kuhnke wrote:
You write as if a major carrier lets just anybody run an alien wave 
adjacent to all their other customers' circuits on two strands of 
fiber...  Which is actually really rare. You need to have a high level 
of trust and confidence in the abilities of the optical engineering on 
both sides. It is true that if you buy a DWDM wavelength provisioned 
between a set of chassis on both ends (Ciena, Adva, whatever) it will be 
indistinguishable /to you/ from a L2 ethernet circuit. Whatever device 
you put on one end with a single MAC address, or a set of MAC addresses, 
will show up on the other end. Usually provisioned with 1310nm LX optics 
on both ends for the greatest cost effectiveness.




All I'm saying is if you are getting handed a wave directly, the carrier 
will tell you the optics you need to present, which shouldn't be assumed 
to be 1310nm. If you aren't getting the actual wave and there's an 
intermediate device, of course on the back end the carrier hides it and 
presents uniform 1310nm LX to customers.


In my case there was an option for Ethernet LAN PHY or wavelengths, so 
given the option I went with the lower cost wavelength option. I know if 
I ordered the Ethernet option they would have done the same thing except 
used a Ciena 6500 to hand off 1310nm LX. I also also know that not 
everyone has that option, I just I didn't want to write a long ass email 
about it. People are free to think I'm full of shit and ignore me, but 
maybe someone will think huh I didn't know there could be a difference 
and expand their own knowledge base if they do in the future order from 
a carrier that options actual wavelengths where you have to match 
optics, or ask the salesperson if it's a possibility knowing there's a 
difference.


~Seth

Re: [AFMUG] OT..difference between Puerto Rico and El Paso

[Gino A. Villarini]

We party hard!

From: Af > on behalf of Steve 
Jones >
Reply-To: "af@afmug.com" 
>
Date: Wednesday, December 20, 2017 at 2:01 PM
To: "af@afmug.com" >
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT..difference between Puerto Rico and El Paso

In the USA heartland, this is called stalking




Gino A. Villarini


President
Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968

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On Wed, Dec 20, 2017 at 10:02 AM, Gino A. Villarini 
> wrote:
The parranda is like a surprise party… a group go unannounced to a friends 
house and you start by yelling “Asalto” o “Parranda” and start singing 
traditional but very “party” sms songs… usually the unsuspecting host welcomes 
you to his home and provides drinks and traditional xmas food…  You sing until 
the host opens the door….

This usually starts about 9-10 pm and you go till morning… visiting several 
houses on the same night

From: Af > on behalf of Jaime 
Solorza >
Reply-To: "af@afmug.com" 
>
Date: Wednesday, December 20, 2017 at 10:40 AM
To: "af@afmug.com" >
Subject: [AFMUG] OT..difference between Puerto Rico and El Paso

NPR had report on Puerto Rico Christmas tradition of singing at night to get 
party going...called paranda...paranda means bar hopping or a drinking 
binge...we call ours, posada for this Christmas tradition like carolling and 
then invited in for hot chocolate...we serve tamales, bunuelos and sopapillas. 
It's based on Joseph asking for a place to spend night for his wife.

Jaime Solorza



Gino A. Villarini


President
Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968

[cid:aeronet-logo_310cfc3e-6691-4f69-bd49-b37b834b9238.png]

Re: [AFMUG] Thank you Cambium

[Rory Conaway]

My point is that Ubiquiti is on Gen 2, Mimosa has been out 2 years, both 
companies have horn antenna options either internally or through RF Elements 
which reduces the need for GPS but they both have that option.  Both products 
are already delivering massive improvements over 802.11n and both companies 
have been bringing out firmware upgrades that are going to make it extremely 
difficult to want to add another company to the mix this late in the game.  Now 
you have Ubiquiti testing LTU and who knows what Mimosa will have by then.

It’s good to see Motorola, err, Cambium come out in 802.11ac but if it doesn’t 
walk on water or penetrate buildings, it’s going to be very hard to justify 
adding it to the tool box 3-4 years after the first 802.11ac products came to 
market.  The more things change, the more they stay the same.

Rory

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Mathew Howard
Sent: Wednesday, December 20, 2017 11:10 AM
To: af
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Thank you Cambium

Assuming you're talking about ePMP, the Force 300 is supposed to be out Q1 2018 
(I was told late January when I pre-ordered), but they're initially going to be 
PTP only, with the 802.11ac AP's expected sometime later in the year.

On Wed, Dec 20, 2017 at 11:57 AM, Rory Conaway 
> wrote:
802.11ac?  Not this Christmas.  Any new dates?

Rory

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf 
Of Sean Heskett
Sent: Wednesday, December 20, 2017 10:29 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Thank you Cambium

WAY better than prism!

-sean


On Wed, Dec 20, 2017 at 7:45 AM, Chuck McCown 
> wrote:
So, better than Prism?

From: Adam Moffett
Sent: Tuesday, December 19, 2017 8:36 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] Thank you Cambium

Can I just take a moment to say 'thank you' to Cambium for making Cnmaestro.

It's what Breezeview would be if Telrad didn't hate me.

Re: [AFMUG] Thank you Cambium

[Mathew Howard]

Last I heard, they'll be PTP only at release.

If I remember right, they originally said that the AC SMs wouldn't be able
to connect to the old APs, but it sounds like they're working on backwards
compatibility for both directions now (new SMs on old APs and old SMs on
new APs).

On Wed, Dec 20, 2017 at 12:17 PM, Steve Jones 
wrote:

> will force 300 Q1 release connect to the pmp 2000 APs or are they software
> locked to ptp
>
> On Wed, Dec 20, 2017 at 12:10 PM, Mathew Howard 
> wrote:
>
>> Assuming you're talking about ePMP, the Force 300 is supposed to be out
>> Q1 2018 (I was told late January when I pre-ordered), but they're initially
>> going to be PTP only, with the 802.11ac AP's expected sometime later in the
>> year.
>>
>> On Wed, Dec 20, 2017 at 11:57 AM, Rory Conaway 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> 802.11ac?  Not this Christmas.  Any new dates?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Rory
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Sean Heskett
>>> *Sent:* Wednesday, December 20, 2017 10:29 AM
>>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Thank you Cambium
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> WAY better than prism!
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -sean
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, Dec 20, 2017 at 7:45 AM, Chuck McCown  wrote:
>>>
>>> So, better than Prism?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From:* Adam Moffett
>>>
>>> *Sent:* Tuesday, December 19, 2017 8:36 PM
>>>
>>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>>>
>>> *Subject:* [AFMUG] Thank you Cambium
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Can I just take a moment to say 'thank you' to Cambium for making
>>> Cnmaestro.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> It's what Breezeview would be if Telrad didn't hate me.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Thank you Cambium

[Steve Jones]

will force 300 Q1 release connect to the pmp 2000 APs or are they software
locked to ptp

On Wed, Dec 20, 2017 at 12:10 PM, Mathew Howard 
wrote:

> Assuming you're talking about ePMP, the Force 300 is supposed to be out Q1
> 2018 (I was told late January when I pre-ordered), but they're initially
> going to be PTP only, with the 802.11ac AP's expected sometime later in the
> year.
>
> On Wed, Dec 20, 2017 at 11:57 AM, Rory Conaway 
> wrote:
>
>> 802.11ac?  Not this Christmas.  Any new dates?
>>
>>
>>
>> Rory
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Sean Heskett
>> *Sent:* Wednesday, December 20, 2017 10:29 AM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Thank you Cambium
>>
>>
>>
>> WAY better than prism!
>>
>>
>>
>> -sean
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Dec 20, 2017 at 7:45 AM, Chuck McCown  wrote:
>>
>> So, better than Prism?
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Adam Moffett
>>
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, December 19, 2017 8:36 PM
>>
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>>
>> *Subject:* [AFMUG] Thank you Cambium
>>
>>
>>
>> Can I just take a moment to say 'thank you' to Cambium for making
>> Cnmaestro.
>>
>>
>>
>> It's what Breezeview would be if Telrad didn't hate me.
>>
>>
>>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Thank you Cambium

[Mathew Howard]

Assuming you're talking about ePMP, the Force 300 is supposed to be out Q1
2018 (I was told late January when I pre-ordered), but they're initially
going to be PTP only, with the 802.11ac AP's expected sometime later in the
year.

On Wed, Dec 20, 2017 at 11:57 AM, Rory Conaway 
wrote:

> 802.11ac?  Not this Christmas.  Any new dates?
>
>
>
> Rory
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Sean Heskett
> *Sent:* Wednesday, December 20, 2017 10:29 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Thank you Cambium
>
>
>
> WAY better than prism!
>
>
>
> -sean
>
>
>
>
>
> On Wed, Dec 20, 2017 at 7:45 AM, Chuck McCown  wrote:
>
> So, better than Prism?
>
>
>
> *From:* Adam Moffett
>
> *Sent:* Tuesday, December 19, 2017 8:36 PM
>
> *To:* af@afmug.com
>
> *Subject:* [AFMUG] Thank you Cambium
>
>
>
> Can I just take a moment to say 'thank you' to Cambium for making
> Cnmaestro.
>
>
>
> It's what Breezeview would be if Telrad didn't hate me.
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] OT..difference between Puerto Rico and El Paso

[Steve Jones]

In the USA heartland, this is called stalking

On Wed, Dec 20, 2017 at 10:02 AM, Gino A. Villarini 
wrote:

> The parranda is like a surprise party… a group go unannounced to a friends
> house and you start by yelling “Asalto” o “Parranda” and start singing
> traditional but very “party” sms songs… usually the unsuspecting host
> welcomes you to his home and provides drinks and traditional xmas food…
>  You sing until the host opens the door….
>
> This usually starts about 9-10 pm and you go till morning… visiting
> several houses on the same night
>
> From: Af  on behalf of Jaime Solorza <
> losguyswirel...@gmail.com>
> Reply-To: "af@afmug.com" 
> Date: Wednesday, December 20, 2017 at 10:40 AM
> To: "af@afmug.com" 
> Subject: [AFMUG] OT..difference between Puerto Rico and El Paso
>
> NPR had report on Puerto Rico Christmas tradition of singing at night to
> get party going...called paranda...paranda means bar hopping or a drinking
> binge...we call ours, posada for this Christmas tradition like carolling
> and then invited in for hot chocolate...we serve tamales, bunuelos and
> sopapillas. It's based on Joseph asking for a place to spend night for his
> wife.
>
> Jaime Solorza
>
>
>
> *Gino A. Villarini*
> President
> Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] 10g wave lan phy vs 10g wan phy

[Eric Kuhnke]

You write as if a major carrier lets just anybody run an alien wave
adjacent to all their other customers' circuits on two strands of fiber...
Which is actually really rare. You need to have a high level of trust and
confidence in the abilities of the optical engineering on both sides. It is
true that if you buy a DWDM wavelength provisioned between a set of chassis
on both ends (Ciena, Adva, whatever) it will be indistinguishable *to you*
from a L2 ethernet circuit. Whatever device you put on one end with a
single MAC address, or a set of MAC addresses, will show up on the other
end. Usually provisioned with 1310nm LX optics on both ends for the
greatest cost effectiveness.

It is entirely possible that an inter-city transport provider could put you
on either a 10 Gbps circuit inside a 100 GbeE PTP that they run, or on a
legacy 10 Gbps wavelength DWDM chassis system (Ciena 4200 anyone?). You
should not be able to tell the difference as the end user.



On Wed, Dec 20, 2017 at 7:48 AM, Seth Mattinen  wrote:

> On 12/19/17 10:00 AM, Carl Peterson wrote:
>
>> We are about to sign a contract on a 10G wave and I'm trying to figure
>> out what the wan phys should be and whats the difference. I'm assuming we
>> would want lan phys.
>>
>> Does this make sense and would we just use normal 10G optics on each end?
>>
>
>
> If you're getting a true wave it's neither LAN nor WAN PHY. You will get a
> wavelength, literally. I recently ordered some 10G waves which were
> specified as requiring 1310nm, 1330nm, and "1550nm reaching 80km" optics.
>
> If it's LAN PHY you're getting plain old 10GbE Ethernet like with a
> switch. If it's WAN PHY you're getting SONET and the carrier will probably
> use OC-192c/STM-64 to carry it.
>
> ~Seth
>

Re: [AFMUG] Thank you Cambium

[Rory Conaway]

802.11ac?  Not this Christmas.  Any new dates?

Rory

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Sean Heskett
Sent: Wednesday, December 20, 2017 10:29 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Thank you Cambium

WAY better than prism!

-sean


On Wed, Dec 20, 2017 at 7:45 AM, Chuck McCown 
> wrote:
So, better than Prism?

From: Adam Moffett
Sent: Tuesday, December 19, 2017 8:36 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] Thank you Cambium

Can I just take a moment to say 'thank you' to Cambium for making Cnmaestro.

It's what Breezeview would be if Telrad didn't hate me.

Re: [AFMUG] Thank you Cambium

[Sean Heskett]

WAY better than prism!

-sean


On Wed, Dec 20, 2017 at 7:45 AM, Chuck McCown  wrote:

> So, better than Prism?
>
> *From:* Adam Moffett
> *Sent:* Tuesday, December 19, 2017 8:36 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* [AFMUG] Thank you Cambium
>
> Can I just take a moment to say 'thank you' to Cambium for making
> Cnmaestro.
>
> It's what Breezeview would be if Telrad didn't hate me.
>

Re: [AFMUG] Fiber media converters

[Jay Weekley]

That's two for the RB260GS.

Jason McKemie wrote:

RB260GS with appropriate SFP.

On Tuesday, December 19, 2017, Jay Weekley > wrote:


Looking for recommendations for a gigabit media converter that
takes SC connectors.  I've pulled a few recommendations from a
previous thread but am looking for a few more.


 
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Re: [AFMUG] Fiber media converters

[Jason McKemie]

RB260GS with appropriate SFP.

On Tuesday, December 19, 2017, Jay Weekley 
wrote:

> Looking for recommendations for a gigabit media converter that takes SC
> connectors.  I've pulled a few recommendations from a previous thread but
> am looking for a few more.
>

[AFMUG] Spectrum-TWC outage

[Jaime Solorza]

We have to 50x5 pipes at GPS and both went down around 5 am.  Opened a
support ticket.  Response was that only 7% of our area has service!!
Cradlepoint back ups are online through Verizon so we are good for now.
 Anyone else having outages with aforementioned provider?

Jaime Solorza

Re: [AFMUG] OT..difference between Puerto Rico and El Paso

[Jaime Solorza]

Ya right. . don't think so...

Jaime Solorza

On Dec 20, 2017 8:59 AM, "Gino A. Villarini"  wrote:

We party harder….

From: Af  on behalf of Jaime Solorza <
losguyswirel...@gmail.com>
Reply-To: "af@afmug.com" 
Date: Wednesday, December 20, 2017 at 10:40 AM
To: "af@afmug.com" 
Subject: [AFMUG] OT..difference between Puerto Rico and El Paso

NPR had report on Puerto Rico Christmas tradition of singing at night to
get party going...called paranda...paranda means bar hopping or a drinking
binge...we call ours, posada for this Christmas tradition like carolling
and then invited in for hot chocolate...we serve tamales, bunuelos and
sopapillas. It's based on Joseph asking for a place to spend night for his
wife.

Jaime Solorza



*Gino A. Villarini*
President
Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968

Re: [AFMUG] OT..difference between Puerto Rico and El Paso

[Gino A. Villarini]

The parranda is like a surprise party… a group go unannounced to a friends 
house and you start by yelling “Asalto” o “Parranda” and start singing 
traditional but very “party” sms songs… usually the unsuspecting host welcomes 
you to his home and provides drinks and traditional xmas food…  You sing until 
the host opens the door….

This usually starts about 9-10 pm and you go till morning… visiting several 
houses on the same night

From: Af > on behalf of Jaime 
Solorza >
Reply-To: "af@afmug.com" 
>
Date: Wednesday, December 20, 2017 at 10:40 AM
To: "af@afmug.com" >
Subject: [AFMUG] OT..difference between Puerto Rico and El Paso

NPR had report on Puerto Rico Christmas tradition of singing at night to get 
party going...called paranda...paranda means bar hopping or a drinking 
binge...we call ours, posada for this Christmas tradition like carolling and 
then invited in for hot chocolate...we serve tamales, bunuelos and sopapillas. 
It's based on Joseph asking for a place to spend night for his wife.

Jaime Solorza



Gino A. Villarini


President
Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968

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Re: [AFMUG] OT..difference between Puerto Rico and El Paso

[Gino A. Villarini]

We party harder….

From: Af > on behalf of Jaime 
Solorza >
Reply-To: "af@afmug.com" 
>
Date: Wednesday, December 20, 2017 at 10:40 AM
To: "af@afmug.com" >
Subject: [AFMUG] OT..difference between Puerto Rico and El Paso

NPR had report on Puerto Rico Christmas tradition of singing at night to get 
party going...called paranda...paranda means bar hopping or a drinking 
binge...we call ours, posada for this Christmas tradition like carolling and 
then invited in for hot chocolate...we serve tamales, bunuelos and sopapillas. 
It's based on Joseph asking for a place to spend night for his wife.

Jaime Solorza



Gino A. Villarini


President
Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968

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Re: [AFMUG] 10g wave lan phy vs 10g wan phy

[Seth Mattinen]

On 12/19/17 10:00 AM, Carl Peterson wrote:
We are about to sign a contract on a 10G wave and I'm trying to figure 
out what the wan phys should be and whats the difference. I'm assuming 
we would want lan phys.


Does this make sense and would we just use normal 10G optics on each end?



If you're getting a true wave it's neither LAN nor WAN PHY. You will get 
a wavelength, literally. I recently ordered some 10G waves which were 
specified as requiring 1310nm, 1330nm, and "1550nm reaching 80km" optics.


If it's LAN PHY you're getting plain old 10GbE Ethernet like with a 
switch. If it's WAN PHY you're getting SONET and the carrier will 
probably use OC-192c/STM-64 to carry it.


~Seth

Re: [AFMUG] Fiber media converters

[Seth Mattinen]

On 12/19/17 2:38 PM, Jay Weekley wrote:
Looking for recommendations for a gigabit media converter that takes SC 
connectors.  I've pulled a few recommendations from a previous thread 
but am looking for a few more.



I like the Perle managed media converters.

Re: [AFMUG] OT: can i run a Blade SW without the Blade Chasis?

[Chuck McCown]

I don’t know why not.  I am sure it will not hurt to try.  May be some 
thermal/fan issues.  

From: Gino A. Villarini 
Sent: Wednesday, December 20, 2017 7:11 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: [AFMUG] OT: can i run a Blade SW without the Blade Chasis?

If I supply power directly? 


  Gino A. Villarini
 
  President 
  Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968 

Re: [AFMUG] Thank you Cambium

[Chuck McCown]

So, better than Prism?

From: Adam Moffett 
Sent: Tuesday, December 19, 2017 8:36 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: [AFMUG] Thank you Cambium

Can I just take a moment to say 'thank you' to Cambium for making Cnmaestro.   

It's what Breezeview would be if Telrad didn't hate me.

[AFMUG] OT..difference between Puerto Rico and El Paso

[Jaime Solorza]

NPR had report on Puerto Rico Christmas tradition of singing at night to
get party going...called paranda...paranda means bar hopping or a drinking
binge...we call ours, posada for this Christmas tradition like carolling
and then invited in for hot chocolate...we serve tamales, bunuelos and
sopapillas. It's based on Joseph asking for a place to spend night for his
wife.

Jaime Solorza

[AFMUG] OT: can i run a Blade SW without the Blade Chasis?

[Gino A. Villarini]

If I supply power directly?



Gino A. Villarini


President
Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968

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