Re: [AFMUG] Splice Cases

[Kevin Radunz]

Search for splice closure instead of splice case.
Problem I think is these ship from China so either slow boat shipping and
waiting 2 months or very expensive shipping.


> I see trays but not enclosures.
>
> Link?
>
> From: Erich Kaiser
> Sent: Sunday, March 11, 2018 4:54 PM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Splice Cases
>
> They do have one for 144 count fiber on their website, looks to be about
> $44
>
> Erich Kaiser
>
> North Central Tower
> er...@northcentraltower.com
> Office: 815-570-3101
>
>
>
>
>
> On Sun, Mar 11, 2018 at 5:26 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:
>
>   Is there any FS type lower cost splice cases out in the world yet?
>
>   I say FS type because everything Fiber Store does is 20% the cost of
> everyone else.
>
>   Hoping for something lower cost.  Not really an area you want to cut
> corners on, but they sure are expensive.  Say you feed 144 strands in
> and out of a typical splice case that has a port that will take 6 drops.
>  You will be paying $120-$240 for something like that.  $20 to $40 per
> drop just for the splice case.
>   Add in an equal amount for the hand hole, you could be in $80 per
> customer before electronics just to make the splice.
>

Re: [AFMUG] Planet MGSW-28240F

[Kevin Radunz]

Yes, I agree.
The big reason for looking at GPON in my case is saving fibers out to the
country and not needing remote hardware in the middle.  If I can use 2
strands to feed a subdivision that is 2 miles away, instead of using
24/48/or 96 strands,  I can more than double/triple the fiber footprint
for the same cost and not have costly switches/optics in remote
enclosures.  If I was only running to MDUs active would be great.  The
whole reason I started looking at GPON was that guys here on the lists
have said the GPON hardware is no more costly than the active equipment. 
If that's true GPON would save a ton on the fiber plant side of things.


> That's fully retarded...  The great thing about doing active-ethernet vs.
> any form of GPON or EPON is the much larger set of available equipment.
> Not
> everything you can use for active-E as necessarily designed or marketed
> for
> residential services, and that's a good thing.
>
> GPON and EPON equipment vendors still seem like they only want to sell to
> huge carriers that will commit themselves to getting married to a platform
> for ten years, and buy a ton of it, not caring that it's proprietary.
> Yeah
>
> Stuff like 48-port 1000BaseT blades for routers you can install in MDUs
> and
> 24/48-port SFP switches are used in all kinds of places.
>
> On Sat, Jan 16, 2016 at 6:26 AM, Kevin Radunz <gol...@genevaonline.com>
> wrote:
>
>> They may be cheap but I inquired and they won't just give you pricing so
>> I
>> don't know.
>> They have to "Customize" a complete solution for you.
>> Typical big boy sales crap with an immediate NDA before they will talk
>> with you.
>> It completely turned me off on using Alphion.
>>
>>
>> > Ballpark on cheap?
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > -
>> > Mike Hammett
>> > Intelligent Computing Solutions
>> > http://www.ics-il.com
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Midwest Internet Exchange
>> > http://www.midwest-ix.com
>> >
>> >
>> > - Original Message -
>> >
>> > From: "Gerard Dupont III" <ger...@shelbybb.com>
>> > To: af@afmug.com
>> > Sent: Friday, January 15, 2016 9:41:01 PM
>> > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Planet MGSW-28240F
>> >
>> > They're cheap and have good support. No random issues like other
>> vendors
>> > we've tried. Don't get me wrong, I'd rather use calix or one of the
>> big
>> > names, but I can't make the numbers work for the small wireless fed
>> > residential builds we keep doing.
>> >
>> >
>> > No they don't have a path to NG-PON2 that I'm aware of. I'm not
>> worried
>> > about that right now though since we are wirelessly feeding all of the
>> > neighborhoods.
>> >
>> >
>> > On Friday, January 15, 2016, Josh Reynolds < j...@kyneticwifi.com >
>> wrote:
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > What's so great about them over other vendors? Also, do they have a
>> path
>> > to NG-PON2?
>> > On Jan 15, 2016 9:09 PM, "Gerard Dupont III" < ger...@shelbybb.com >
>> > wrote:
>> >
>> > 
>> > We're doing Alphion now. We also have Dasan and ZTE systems in place.
>> Plan
>> > on migrating them to Alphion sometime this year though.
>> >
>> > On Friday, January 15, 2016, Sterling Jacobson < sterl...@avative.net
>> >
>> > wrote:
>> >
>> > 
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > What are you using for GPON now?
>> >
>> > I’m starting to use some of the higher density 48 port Planet
>> switches
>> > in active.
>> >
>> > From: Af [mailto: af-boun...@afmug.com ] On Behalf Of Gerard Dupont
>> III
>> > Sent: Friday, January 15, 2016 7:55 PM
>> > To: af@afmug.com
>> > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Planet MGSW-28240F
>> >
>> > We have a few of those in place for a couple years now in non climate
>> > controlled cabinets. This will be the third winter. We're just using
>> cheap
>> > chinese bidi optics. Some from fiberstore. Customer sides are mostly
>> > MikroTik 2011 or rb260gs.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Had some minor issues early on but they were fixed in later l
>> firmware.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > I can't remember the last time I had to touch them. They've been
>> solid.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > We've moved to gpon for any new builds or I'd pro

Re: [AFMUG] Planet MGSW-28240F

[Kevin Radunz]

They may be cheap but I inquired and they won't just give you pricing so I
don't know.
They have to "Customize" a complete solution for you.
Typical big boy sales crap with an immediate NDA before they will talk
with you.
It completely turned me off on using Alphion.


> Ballpark on cheap?
>
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions
> http://www.ics-il.com
>
>
>
> Midwest Internet Exchange
> http://www.midwest-ix.com
>
>
> - Original Message -
>
> From: "Gerard Dupont III" 
> To: af@afmug.com
> Sent: Friday, January 15, 2016 9:41:01 PM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Planet MGSW-28240F
>
> They're cheap and have good support. No random issues like other vendors
> we've tried. Don't get me wrong, I'd rather use calix or one of the big
> names, but I can't make the numbers work for the small wireless fed
> residential builds we keep doing.
>
>
> No they don't have a path to NG-PON2 that I'm aware of. I'm not worried
> about that right now though since we are wirelessly feeding all of the
> neighborhoods.
>
>
> On Friday, January 15, 2016, Josh Reynolds < j...@kyneticwifi.com > wrote:
>
>
>
> What's so great about them over other vendors? Also, do they have a path
> to NG-PON2?
> On Jan 15, 2016 9:09 PM, "Gerard Dupont III" < ger...@shelbybb.com >
> wrote:
>
> 
> We're doing Alphion now. We also have Dasan and ZTE systems in place. Plan
> on migrating them to Alphion sometime this year though.
>
> On Friday, January 15, 2016, Sterling Jacobson < sterl...@avative.net >
> wrote:
>
> 
>
>
>
> What are you using for GPON now?
>
> I’m starting to use some of the higher density 48 port Planet switches
> in active.
>
> From: Af [mailto: af-boun...@afmug.com ] On Behalf Of Gerard Dupont III
> Sent: Friday, January 15, 2016 7:55 PM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Planet MGSW-28240F
>
> We have a few of those in place for a couple years now in non climate
> controlled cabinets. This will be the third winter. We're just using cheap
> chinese bidi optics. Some from fiberstore. Customer sides are mostly
> MikroTik 2011 or rb260gs.
>
>
>
> Had some minor issues early on but they were fixed in later l firmware.
>
>
>
> I can't remember the last time I had to touch them. They've been solid.
>
>
>
> We've moved to gpon for any new builds or I'd probably still be installing
> them.
>
>
>
> Gerard
>
> On Friday, January 15, 2016, George Skorup < geo...@cbcast.com > wrote:
> 
>
> Derp, I forgot. What do you have on the other end of the ports?
> Routerboards with bidi SFPs? We're not sure what we're going to do on the
> CPE end yet. It's a multi party venture and those guys haven't made up
> their minds yet, other than each premise will have a pair and they want
> active ethernet. I mentioned GPON and was told no. So then I said why not
> do bidi and basically heard crickets. So whatever, I'm just in charge of
> designing the core network inside their box of requirements.
>
> On 1/15/2016 8:12 PM, George Skorup wrote:
> 
>
> Excellent. Thanks.
>
> On 1/15/2016 8:05 PM, Craig Baird wrote:
> 
>
> We have this exact switch in service right now with Fiberstore BiDis. It's
> never given us any trouble.
>
> Craig
>
>
> Quoting George Skorup < geo...@cbcast.com >:
> 
>
> I'm working on a fiber project and was wondering if anyone else has used
> this Planet switch?
> http://www.planet.com.tw/en/product/product.php?id=48441
>
> Is Planet picky about SFP modules? I was planing on ordering some cheap
> single mode modules from Fiber Store to use with this and get the project
> rolling. Such as:
> http://www.fs.com/1-25-gbps-gige-1000base-lx-lh-1310nm-20km-dom-industrial-temp-lc-smf-sfp-transceiver-p-37258.html
>
> Already ordered the switch, so we'll see what happens.
>
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Re: [AFMUG] Planet MGSW-28240F

[Kevin Radunz]

I guess maybe I should have worded it a little different.  It wasn't just
the NDA but the fact they won't just give an ISP ballpark pricing on SKUs.
So I have to layout an install before I can see if it fits in any of my
projects.

> I have yet to find a vendor that was NOT that way
> On Jan 16, 2016 8:26 AM, "Kevin Radunz" <gol...@genevaonline.com> wrote:
>
>> They may be cheap but I inquired and they won't just give you pricing so
>> I
>> don't know.
>> They have to "Customize" a complete solution for you.
>> Typical big boy sales crap with an immediate NDA before they will talk
>> with you.
>> It completely turned me off on using Alphion.
>>
>>
>> > Ballpark on cheap?
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > -
>> > Mike Hammett
>> > Intelligent Computing Solutions
>> > http://www.ics-il.com
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Midwest Internet Exchange
>> > http://www.midwest-ix.com
>> >
>> >
>> > - Original Message -
>> >
>> > From: "Gerard Dupont III" <ger...@shelbybb.com>
>> > To: af@afmug.com
>> > Sent: Friday, January 15, 2016 9:41:01 PM
>> > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Planet MGSW-28240F
>> >
>> > They're cheap and have good support. No random issues like other
>> vendors
>> > we've tried. Don't get me wrong, I'd rather use calix or one of the
>> big
>> > names, but I can't make the numbers work for the small wireless fed
>> > residential builds we keep doing.
>> >
>> >
>> > No they don't have a path to NG-PON2 that I'm aware of. I'm not
>> worried
>> > about that right now though since we are wirelessly feeding all of the
>> > neighborhoods.
>> >
>> >
>> > On Friday, January 15, 2016, Josh Reynolds < j...@kyneticwifi.com >
>> wrote:
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > What's so great about them over other vendors? Also, do they have a
>> path
>> > to NG-PON2?
>> > On Jan 15, 2016 9:09 PM, "Gerard Dupont III" < ger...@shelbybb.com >
>> > wrote:
>> >
>> > 
>> > We're doing Alphion now. We also have Dasan and ZTE systems in place.
>> Plan
>> > on migrating them to Alphion sometime this year though.
>> >
>> > On Friday, January 15, 2016, Sterling Jacobson < sterl...@avative.net
>> >
>> > wrote:
>> >
>> > 
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > What are you using for GPON now?
>> >
>> > I’m starting to use some of the higher density 48 port Planet
>> switches
>> > in active.
>> >
>> > From: Af [mailto: af-boun...@afmug.com ] On Behalf Of Gerard Dupont
>> III
>> > Sent: Friday, January 15, 2016 7:55 PM
>> > To: af@afmug.com
>> > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Planet MGSW-28240F
>> >
>> > We have a few of those in place for a couple years now in non climate
>> > controlled cabinets. This will be the third winter. We're just using
>> cheap
>> > chinese bidi optics. Some from fiberstore. Customer sides are mostly
>> > MikroTik 2011 or rb260gs.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Had some minor issues early on but they were fixed in later l
>> firmware.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > I can't remember the last time I had to touch them. They've been
>> solid.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > We've moved to gpon for any new builds or I'd probably still be
>> installing
>> > them.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Gerard
>> >
>> > On Friday, January 15, 2016, George Skorup < geo...@cbcast.com >
>> wrote:
>> > 
>> >
>> > Derp, I forgot. What do you have on the other end of the ports?
>> > Routerboards with bidi SFPs? We're not sure what we're going to do on
>> the
>> > CPE end yet. It's a multi party venture and those guys haven't made up
>> > their minds yet, other than each premise will have a pair and they
>> want
>> > active ethernet. I mentioned GPON and was told no. So then I said why
>> not
>> > do bidi and basically heard crickets. So whatever, I'm just in charge
>> of
>> > designing the core network inside their box of requirements.
>> >
>> > On 1/15/2016 8:12 PM, George Skorup wrote:
>> > 
>> >
>> > Excellent. Thanks.
>> >
>> > On 1/15/2016 8:05 PM, Craig Baird wrote:
>> > 
>> >
>> > We have this exact switch in service right now with Fiberstore BiDis.
>> It's
>> > never given us any trouble.
>> >
>> > Craig
>> >
>> >
>> > Quoting George Skorup < geo...@cbcast.com >:
>> > 
>> >
>> > I'm working on a fiber project and was wondering if anyone else has
>> used
>> > this Planet switch?
>> > http://www.planet.com.tw/en/product/product.php?id=48441
>> >
>> > Is Planet picky about SFP modules? I was planing on ordering some
>> cheap
>> > single mode modules from Fiber Store to use with this and get the
>> project
>> > rolling. Such as:
>> >
>> http://www.fs.com/1-25-gbps-gige-1000base-lx-lh-1310nm-20km-dom-industrial-temp-lc-smf-sfp-transceiver-p-37258.html
>> >
>> > Already ordered the switch, so we'll see what happens.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > 
>> >
>> >
>> > 
>> >
>> >
>> > 
>> >
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>> >
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>

Re: [AFMUG] Mikrotik x86 and ROS 6.x problems on 100M Ethernet links

[Kevin Radunz]

I think some weard problems started around 6.33. There are posts of
different topics about things like Winbox and VPN traffic not working but
traffic through the device was fine.  Some thought MTU changes but I'm not
sure I saw concrete fixes.  I know earlier versions don't do this.


> I recently upgraded one of those RouterMaxx 1106 routers from 5.2 to
> 6.33.1
> (I actually configured a new router and swapped hardware).  Ever since, I
> have had performance problems with a couple ports that are connected to
> radios with 100M Ethernet ports.  The most obvious symptom is that Winbox
> won't stay connected or can't download plugins, but I also see pings
> dropped
> even to the directly connected equipment.
>
> I was a bad boy making multiple changes at once, so I've been gradually
> walking them back in the lab on the original router, I upgraded it to
> 6.33.1
> and the problem appeared.  I dropped back to 6.31 and it was still there,
> but when I dropped back to 5.26 everything was fine again.  I haven't
> tried
> earlier 6.x versions yet, 6.31 is the oldest x86 version I have handy.
> This
> is not a radio problem, I can reproduce it with a directly connected
> laptop
> if I force the laptop NIC to 100M FDX.
>
> Is anyone familiar with this problem?  I can't find anything on the
> Mikrotik
> forums.  I guess I can live with 5.26 if I have to, but I'd like to know
> what is causing this.  Do I just need to change some configuration
> parameter?  I know 6.x brought out hardware only queues, but I think
> that's
> for Routerboards, not x86.  Is there a problem with the Intel NIC drivers
> included with 6.x?  Any chance that an earlier or later version of 6.x
> will
> work for me?  I see nothing in the change logs about it.
>
>