Re: [AFMUG] Animal Farm Summer 2018

[LD Barthlome]

I will contact ditch witch

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown
Sent: Thursday, March 8, 2018 12:58 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] Animal Farm Summer 2018

Registration is now open:
http://www.afmug.com/

The sponsor info is old, but maybe they will all offer to sponsor.
Really, trying to get Ditchwitch, Vermeer, Preformed Line Products etc to 
sponsor as that is the kind of stuff we will be discussing.

[AFMUG] Core Alignment Splicer

[LD Barthlome]

We are in need of another core alignment splicer, we currently have all 
Fujikura splicers and have been happy with them.  It is hard not to look at the 
Inno View 5 and 7 due to the price.  Has anyone had any experience with the 
Inno brand.


Thanks


L.D. Barthlome

Re: [AFMUG] Fiber Installation Agreement

[LD Barthlome]

I could send you ours

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jason McKemie
Sent: Sunday, March 20, 2016 11:04 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] Fiber Installation Agreement

Anyone have one of these they would be able to share?  I thought Chuck Hogg 
posted one a while back, but I can't seem to find it.  Thanks.

Jason

Re: [AFMUG] 500 Foot Cat-5 Run

[LD Barthlome]

Buy a pre-terminated fiber and a couple of used Cisco switchesthen you can 
run Gig /10 Gig

-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Matt
Sent: Tuesday, February 09, 2016 10:50 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 500 Foot Cat-5 Run

> I've used some vdsl equipment from netsys direct, worked great. Here's 
> their Ethernet extender:
>
> http://www.netsys-direct.com/product_p/nv-202ekit.htm

Ordered a couple, should solve my issue.  Thanks.


>> > Buy a set of those DSL thingamajigs. Unless you're trying to run 
>> > PoE to power a remote device. Then you're screwed. Ethernet does 
>> > not work beyond
>> > 100 meters. If it does, it won't be reliable.
>>
>> That's what I was thinking.  Anyone know of any that are not terribly 
>> expensive?  Hopefully under $500 for pair?  If a new line needs run 
>> it will likely have to be bored in.
>>

Re: [AFMUG] Fiber financing / loans? How are you paying for it.

[LD Barthlome]

Josh, what are you using for your IPTV?  If you can say

-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Josh Reynolds
Sent: Wednesday, January 20, 2016 4:14 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Fiber financing / loans? How are you paying for it.

You're not really having to change out equipment for one. It's an investment. 
It's also completely possible for a single strand of glass in the ground to 
carry more than 6Tbps of bandwidth.

That said, we will be selling IPTV and Phone as well. Our average user plan 
will probably be around $124-$145/mo. Some will be higher, some lower.

We are selling local service, reliability (design, hot spares, cold spares), 
and no hidden costs or fees. What you pay for is what you get (minimum of 
125Mbps on the up to 1Gbps plan, only exception). If they want cheap shit that 
sometimes works and has problems at peak, they can pick a cable operator.

On Wed, Jan 20, 2016 at 5:08 PM, Peter Kranz  wrote:
> How do you make money at $2k per sub? If the sub is paying $49/month 
> for internet, that will take forever to pay off.
>
>
>
> Peter Kranz
> www.UnwiredLtd.com
> Desk: 510-868-1614 x100
> Mobile: 510-207-
> pkr...@unwiredltd.com
>
>
>
> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Sterling Jacobson
> Sent: Wednesday, January 20, 2016 2:51 PM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Fiber financing / loans? How are you paying for it.
>
>
>
> If I do a simple calculation of money invested/loaned and number of 
> subs I get $2088 per sub.
>
>
>
> That’s active Ethernet, full burial conduit to each house/unit with 
> lots of miles of overbuild and miles and miles of extra fiber/conduit.
>
>
>
> We also build at cost, not full retail (partners are build crews).
>
>
>
> I expect from here on out to be nearer half that using existing 
> infrastructure and possibly GPON.
>
>
>
> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of TJ Trout
> Sent: Wednesday, January 20, 2016 3:44 PM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: [AFMUG] Fiber financing / loans? How are you paying for it.
>
>
>
> How are all of you fiber guys paying to get this stuff in the ground ? 
> All self financing ?
>
> What is a good estimate to bore say 100 or 500 houses passed in a 
> suburban neighborhood that's all asphalt and concrete sidewalks with 
> ~5000sqft lots for pon? I know it could vary vastly but just a ball 
> park ? $1000 per house passed ?

Re: [AFMUG] Fiber financing / loans? How are you paying for it.

[LD Barthlome]

We have also invested in our own fiber crew….. Drill, Vac, etc.….we have the 
cost down to around $4.50 per foot for our main trunk line.  That does not 
include drops but they are usually fairly straight forward.  He have installed 
around 45 miles in the past 3 ½ years…this is a combination of some aerial ( 
which I don’t like in our area), using some existing city conduit, mostly 
installing our own.



From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Sterling Jacobson
Sent: Wednesday, January 20, 2016 3:58 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Fiber financing / loans? How are you paying for it.

Add another $100k when all of that breaks in a year or two, lol!

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chris Fabien
Sent: Wednesday, January 20, 2016 3:57 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Fiber financing / loans? How are you paying for it.

We are self financing and building as much as we can afford. We looked into 
subcontracting the work and found it to be cost prohibitive. We are doing all 
the work in house including directional drilling.

If you are comfortable working on older equipment and mechanically inclined so 
you can fix stuff, you can probably get set up with a decent drill rig, big 
plow, drop plow, couple trucks and trailers for around $100k.

On Wed, Jan 20, 2016 at 5:44 PM, TJ Trout 
mailto:t...@voltbb.com>> wrote:

How are all of you fiber guys paying to get this stuff in the ground ? All self 
financing ?

What is a good estimate to bore say 100 or 500 houses passed in a suburban 
neighborhood that's all asphalt and concrete sidewalks with ~5000sqft lots for 
pon? I know it could vary vastly but just a ball park ? $1000 per house passed ?