Re: [AFMUG] wireless router video
I have tried to upgrade a few customer’s older Linksys routers recently only to find firmware is no longer available on the site. You know, just trying to be nice and avoid hassles later when trying to provide remote support over the phone. WRT54G2v1, the most recent example, is now a 104MB download executable that needs to be installed on the host PC. No freak’n way do I trust Linksys/Cisco/Netgear enough to install a massive program on my laptop only to upgrade a router. Google can often find firmware but nearly impossible to know if it is the latest version and forget matching release notes. WTF are these guys thinking? Ok, so I know that they are thinking. Why not just flat out say “screw you—that router is too old—we want new money from you buy something current”. Do customers really want to buy a new router from a company that just went out of their way to remove firmware from their support web site? It begs the question of how long is the company going to support the new router? These guys are dense. rant off PC Blaze Broadband From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Ken Hohhof via Af Sent: Tuesday, December 30, 2014 7:53 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] wireless router video The information in the video may be fine, but I have a bad taste in my mouth right now regarding DLink. Most of the customer routers I found on my network with port 1900 open to the Internet turned out to be DLink. That’s just stupid, having UPnP not only enabled by default but enabled toward the WAN side. But then I find most of the DLink routers aren’t getting firmware updates anymore, the only fix is to disable UPnP. http://support.dlink.ca/FAQView.aspx?f=sY5vcvfAuAV6bXgi%2F8WoVw%3D%3D And then customers who can upgrade their FW find all their settings are lost. Way to go, DLink. Maybe Belkin will buy them too, and they can brand everything Blinksys. From: Jaime Solorza via Af mailto:af@afmug.com Sent: Tuesday, December 30, 2014 6:18 PM To: Animal Farm mailto:af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] wireless router video Instaiing the router in corner is sometimes better. Think corner reflections help Jaime Solorza On Dec 29, 2014 7:08 PM, Sean Heskett via Af af@afmug.com wrote: This one? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tOdOBVKenzQ On Monday, December 29, 2014, Chuck McCown via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Looking for the link to the belkin or dlink video telling folks to get the router up off the floor.
Re: [AFMUG] traps vs polling
I think that is the general consensus. Trapping at first glance appears to be the solution for alerting until the reliability comes into question due to the lack of some sort of ACK within the protocol. Forrest has talked about this numerous times and likely has some hard fought lessons learned. Maybe he will chime in. It would be nice if Cacti had some sort of statefull mechanism to switch to a higher frequency “ping” once a device fails to respond to the standard 5 minute check-in schedule. A 5 minute old alert would be fine but you really need to wait for two or more poles to confirm and with such a slow sample rate 10 or 15 minutes becomes a little tardy for some targets. The other desirable requirement is for a hierarchal tree so that a backhaul outage doesn’t trigger a landslide of alerts from all the devices on the other side on the downed link. I believe there are other monitoring systems that do both of these things but I have no experience beyond Cacti. PC Blaze Broadband From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown via Af Sent: Monday, December 29, 2014 12:18 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] traps vs polling If we poll every minute or every 5 minutes, catching traps may not be important. If we don’t poll, I worry that we will miss a trap due to it being UDP. From: Eric Muehleisen via Af mailto:af@afmug.com Sent: Monday, December 29, 2014 9:52 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] traps vs polling Both. Traps for realtime alerting and polling for historicals. On Monday, December 29, 2014, Chuck McCown via Af af@afmug.com wrote: When attempting to collect system wide status and alarm data real-time, are traps reliable enough or should you just poll everything on a regular basis? -- Sent via mobile
Re: [AFMUG] Micro cell with NAT mode FSK
No precise technical term survives the marketing department.
PC
Blaze Broadband
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Bill Prince via Af
Sent: Saturday, December 27, 2014 11:38 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Micro cell with NAT mode FSK
ATT calls theirs a microcell, Verizon calls theirs a network extender, Sprint
calls theirs airave.
The generic, non-vendor-specific term is femtocell.
--
bp
part {dash} 15 {at} SkylineBroadbandService {dot} com
On 12/27/2014 7:25 AM, Josh Baird via Af wrote:
They are branded as Microcells. I have one at my house.
On Fri, Dec 26, 2014 at 7:08 PM, Eric Kuhnke via Af af@afmug.com wrote:
That's a pico cell, micro cells are what you might find carrier-operated in a
shopping mall.
On Dec 26, 2014 6:14 PM, timothy steele via Af af@afmug.com wrote:
Just ran into a ATT microcell that would not work with the SM in NAT mode
routers WAN was on a DMZ IP anyone else run into this?
Thanks
—
Sent from Mailbox https://www.dropbox.com/mailbox
[AFMUG] Tower camera recommendations
This question comes up on the list periodically but I haven't seen if for a while. A 400 ft tower owner wants a camera to look down on his commercial business park. We might install and provide local bandwidth for free if they buy the camera. A little good will between us, them, and the community. So knowing this is not a money maker for anyone, how much money are we talking to get something that doesn't suck? It would have to be PTZ and decent resolution. Good low light would be nice but no IR illuminators needed, obviously. I assume a small heater is required to avoid condensation but I don't know that. Are these available POE? PC Blaze Broadband
Re: [AFMUG] Tower camera recommendations
Im thinking 1/2 to 3/4 of a mile would be fine. Forget the IR thing. Not
needed. Good day time image is what people will want to look at I think.
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Bill Prince via Af
Sent: Friday, December 26, 2014 5:46 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Tower camera recommendations
What kind of distance are you talking about?� Critical issue if you wanted
IR, because there are serious limitations on how far you will get decent
video with IR (no greater than 100', and that might be a stretch).� But
the distance would dictate what kind of magnification/lenses are required.
--
bp
part {dash} 15 {at} SkylineBroadbandService {dot} com
On 12/26/2014 2:36 PM, Paul Conlin via Af wrote:
This question comes up on the list periodically but I haven�t seen if for
a while.� A 400 ft tower owner wants a camera to look down on his
commercial business park.� We might install and provide local bandwidth
for free if they buy the camera.� A little good will between us, them, and
the community. �So knowing this is not a money maker for anyone, how much
money are we talking to get something that doesn�t suck?
�
It would have to be PTZ and decent resolution.� Good low light would be
nice but no IR illuminators needed, obviously.� I assume a small heater is
required to avoid condensation but I don�t know that.� Are these
available POE?
�
PC
Blaze Broadband
�
Re: [AFMUG] Tower camera recommendations
Define useful. This is not a security application so we dont need to be
able to read license plates. Dont you guys ever have customers ask you
what the view looks like from up there? My response is usually why dont
you climb with me and take a look. I was thinking a camera would give them
the gee that is neat view and the occasional check of the weather. The
problem is that I dont know what the image would look like with a $250
camera vs a $1500 camera. Or is more $$ required? Just wondering what
others have done.
EverFocus has a 2 MP 20x optical zoom H.264 speed dome camera EPN4220 for
~$1,550. Wondering what that would look like.
Oh. Its 24VAC. Yuk. Are all these type cameras going to be AC? 30W and
10/100. So I guess I could do a passive POE with custom injectors at each
end. Not horrible.
PC
Blaze Broadband
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Bill Prince via Af
Sent: Friday, December 26, 2014 8:29 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Tower camera recommendations
Seriously?� That would require a serious zoom/telephoto lens to get you
any kind of decent resolution. I don't know anything off the top of my head
that would be useful at a half mile.
--
bp
part {dash} 15 {at} SkylineBroadbandService {dot} com
On 12/26/2014 3:18 PM, Paul Conlin via Af wrote:
I�m thinking 1/2 to 3/4 of a mile would be fine.� Forget the IR
thing.� Not needed.� Good day time image is what people will want to
look at I think.
�
�
�
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Bill Prince via Af
Sent: Friday, December 26, 2014 5:46 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Tower camera recommendations
�
What kind of distance are you talking about?� Critical issue if you wanted
IR, because there are serious limitations on how far you will get decent
video with IR (no greater than 100', and that might be a stretch).� But
the distance would dictate what kind of magnification/lenses are required.
--
bp
part {dash} 15 {at} SkylineBroadbandService {dot} com
�
On 12/26/2014 2:36 PM, Paul Conlin via Af wrote:
This question comes up on the list periodically but I haven�t seen if for
a while.� A 400 ft tower owner wants a camera to look down on his
commercial business park.� We might install and provide local bandwidth
for free if they buy the camera.� A little good will between us, them, and
the community. �So knowing this is not a money maker for anyone, how much
money are we talking to get something that doesn�t suck?
�
It would have to be PTZ and decent resolution.� Good low light would be
nice but no IR illuminators needed, obviously.� I assume a small heater is
required to avoid condensation but I don�t know that.� Are these
available POE?
�
PC
Blaze Broadband
�
�
[AFMUG] OT Apple pushes mandatory NTP upgrade to MacOS
http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/12/23/us-apple-cybersecurity-idUSKBN0K10 8W20141223 Interesting that the NTP vulnerability could allow hackers to take control of the computer. Must be a buffer overflow or something because allowing NTP to take over the computer is a really big hole. Wow. Not optional. No user intervention required. No restart. Not sure if it is stealthy or if the user gets notified. I must have missed the story where Apple made this possible a couple of years ago. If Microsoft pushed a mandatory update there would be riots in the streets, mass hysteria in the media and the EU would likely fine them $100M for human rights violations or something. Somehow Apple comes off as a responsible steward valiantly standing watch over the flock. PC Blaze Broadband
Re: [AFMUG] OT - PCI-E enterprise SSDs
What about arrays of lower cost consumer grade SSD's vs the more expensive enterprise drives or cards. The 'I' in RAID can stand for inexpensive. It can make sense to mirror two cheap drives on non-big data server applications. So the HD form factor for solid state storage is a good thing in this case. Two 60GB SATAIII drives for $45/ea is really cheap. $60 for 120GB. Wow. PC Blaze Broadband -Original Message- From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Ken Hohhof via Af Sent: Monday, December 22, 2014 11:57 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] OT - PCI-E enterprise SSDs So I've been impressed lately with the performance improvements to personal computers and I/O intensive servers like web and mail servers by replacing HDDs with SSDs. I'm convinced the emphasis on CPU and memory is often misplaced and the key is disk read/write performance. I think part of this is our use of computers has gone from computing oriented to data oriented. Big, big data. The one exception perhaps being games, but is that CPU intensive or GPU intensive? So I've noticed there are enterprise SSD cards that go in a PCI-E slot like Intel S3700, Huawei ES3000, Samsung SM1715. The performance numbers sound comparable to a very expensive RAID array of SAS drives. It does raise the question, why are we making SSDs look like HDDs including form factor and electrical interface, other than for the hot swap capability of SATA/SAS? Has anyone used these things? Are they automatically recognized by Windows and Linux as disk drives? Do you need to load special drives and jump through special hoops? Is there any point trying to do RAID with these, and can that even be done?
Re: [AFMUG] licensed prior coordination notifications
We got a PCN in the next county from us for ATT that included ALL of the 6, 11
and 18 channels. Government installation. The 14 foot high barbed wired
fences have signs saying FEMA. Yea, right “FEMA” nudge-nudge wink-wink.
For fun I was trying to look up what is actually licensed there. Can anyone
get the geo search working at the FCC ULS site? I can’t get it to find any
links anywhere. What am I doing wrong?
http://wireless2.fcc.gov/UlsApp/UlsSearch/searchGeographic.jsp
PC
Blaze Broadband
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Bill Prince via Af
Sent: Tuesday, December 16, 2014 10:51 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] licensed prior coordination notifications
I was floored a couple years ago when I got a PCN with 18 links at one of our
POPs by Clearwire. It was a smattering of 6, 11, 18, and 23 GHz.
None of it was ever built.
--
bp
part {dash} 15 {at} SkylineBroadbandService {dot} com
On 12/15/2014 5:16 PM, Mark Radabaugh via Af wrote:
The squatting by the HFT guys is really ticking me off at the moment. I need
an additional link on a path and can’t find any working channels in 11Ghz.
I’m going to have to replace the existing 11Ghz link with 2 18Ghz links instead
of adding a polarization to the existing 11Ghz. It doubles the cost for a
path that the HFT guys have been sitting on for at least 2 years.
Mark
On Dec 15, 2014, at 8:09 PM, Ken Hohhof via Af af@afmug.com wrote:
Maybe he’s assuming in a few years quantum entanglement or faster-then-light
neutrinos will make them obsolete?
I see more PCNs than physical links. Abusing the system to call dibs on towers
and frequencies. Most of the PCNs I see are actually renewals, that way they
can tie up the coordinated path without starting the construction deadline
clock ticking.
From: Jon Langeler via Af mailto:af@afmug.com
Sent: Monday, December 15, 2014 6:53 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] licensed prior coordination notifications
What happens in a few years?
-Jon
Sent from my iPhone
On Dec 15, 2014, at 7:11 PM, CARL PETERSON via Af af@afmug.com wrote:
I use them to make a KML of all the HFT links that are going to be sitting
there on the towers doing nothing in a few years.
On Dec 15, 2014, at 6:01 PM, Bill Prince via Af af@afmug.com wrote:
We get them all the time too. I just scan them to see if they are in the same
county as our stuff (and they usually are not). But I filter them all to a PCN
folder so they aren't clogging up my inbox.
You get it if (I think) you are within 150 miles on the same frequency with one
of your licenses.
--
bp
part {dash} 15 {at} SkylineBroadbandService {dot} com
On 12/15/2014 9:57 AM, Chuck McCown via Af wrote:
Sorry Tim...Liz and all the other frequency coordinators here. I know it is
not your fault.
You get a few licensed links up and pretty soon you are inundated with notices.
The one time I complained about a link, nothing happened at all.
So, as far as I am concerned, they are a welfare plan designed by the federal
government to employ postal workers.
From: Chuck McCown via Af mailto:af@afmug.com
Sent: Monday, December 15, 2014 10:55 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] licensed prior coordination notifications
They go directly to the trash.
From: That One Guy via Af mailto:af@afmug.com
Sent: Monday, December 15, 2014 10:51 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] licensed prior coordination notifications
Since we got our license a few weeks ago we have gotten a ton of these things,
some of which are a state away.
What is the criteria for sending these things out?
What are we supposed to do with them, are we supposed to run a pth calc to see
if it looks like it will cause issues?
whos responsible for prior notice if it looks like it might? Is it us or the
applicant frequency coordinator?
--
All parts should go together without forcing. You must remember that the parts
you are reassembling were disassembled by you. Therefore, if you can't get them
together again, there must be a reason. By all means, do not use a hammer. --
IBM maintenance manual, 1925
Re: [AFMUG] offtopic - jaguar makes cool stuff
Have you noticed that while stopped at lights the drivers are holding up their
cell phones. Cell phone cameras should be watching the stop lights. When the
light turns green the phone can beep to tell the driver it is time to start
thinking about finishing that text and begin to mentally prepare to drive
again. Saves me from having to blast my horn behind them.
For the record, the yellow before green is a fabulous feature. Add that to my
wish list with the traffic circles. The US is so far behind on this stuff.
PC
Blaze Broadband
-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Bill Prince via Af
Sent: Tuesday, December 16, 2014 11:31 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] offtopic - jaguar makes cool stuff
My wife and I love stick shifts. Probably an attitude that is restricted to
people that
love the driving thing. Stick shift makes you more involved.
And like you say, it also is a crude form of theft control. Becoming more
effective
every day. I'm surprised by the number of people that don't know how to
drive a stick
any more.
--
bp
part {dash} 15 {at} SkylineBroadbandService {dot} com
On 12/16/2014 8:16 AM, Seth Mattinen via Af wrote:
On 12/16/14, 8:02 AM, Josh Luthman via Af wrote:
Primitive beings and their manual gearboxes.
I still drive a stick because it's fun. Also nobody else drives my car
because they can't figure out how to operate it.
~Seth
Re: [AFMUG] licensed prior coordination notifications
Thanks Tim! That one works. I fell for the decoy site. Those Feds are sneaky.
PC
Blaze Broadband
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Hardy, Tim via Af
Sent: Tuesday, December 16, 2014 12:12 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] licensed prior coordination notifications
Try this one:
http://fjallfoss.fcc.gov/General_Menu_Reports/
You have to put in the frequency range
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Paul Conlin via Af
Sent: Tuesday, December 16, 2014 11:42 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] licensed prior coordination notifications
We got a PCN in the next county from us for ATT that included ALL of the 6, 11
and 18 channels. Government installation. The 14 foot high barbed wired
fences have signs saying FEMA. Yea, right “FEMA” nudge-nudge wink-wink.
For fun I was trying to look up what is actually licensed there. Can anyone
get the geo search working at the FCC ULS site? I can’t get it to find any
links anywhere. What am I doing wrong?
http://wireless2.fcc.gov/UlsApp/UlsSearch/searchGeographic.jsp
PC
Blaze Broadband
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Bill Prince via Af
Sent: Tuesday, December 16, 2014 10:51 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] licensed prior coordination notifications
I was floored a couple years ago when I got a PCN with 18 links at one of our
POPs by Clearwire. It was a smattering of 6, 11, 18, and 23 GHz.
None of it was ever built.
--
bp
part {dash} 15 {at} SkylineBroadbandService {dot} com
On 12/15/2014 5:16 PM, Mark Radabaugh via Af wrote:
The squatting by the HFT guys is really ticking me off at the moment. I need
an additional link on a path and can’t find any working channels in 11Ghz.
I’m going to have to replace the existing 11Ghz link with 2 18Ghz links instead
of adding a polarization to the existing 11Ghz. It doubles the cost for a
path that the HFT guys have been sitting on for at least 2 years.
Mark
On Dec 15, 2014, at 8:09 PM, Ken Hohhof via Af af@afmug.com wrote:
Maybe he’s assuming in a few years quantum entanglement or faster-then-light
neutrinos will make them obsolete?
I see more PCNs than physical links. Abusing the system to call dibs on towers
and frequencies. Most of the PCNs I see are actually renewals, that way they
can tie up the coordinated path without starting the construction deadline
clock ticking.
From: Jon Langeler via Af mailto:af@afmug.com
Sent: Monday, December 15, 2014 6:53 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] licensed prior coordination notifications
What happens in a few years?
-Jon
Sent from my iPhone
On Dec 15, 2014, at 7:11 PM, CARL PETERSON via Af af@afmug.com wrote:
I use them to make a KML of all the HFT links that are going to be sitting
there on the towers doing nothing in a few years.
On Dec 15, 2014, at 6:01 PM, Bill Prince via Af af@afmug.com wrote:
We get them all the time too. I just scan them to see if they are in the same
county as our stuff (and they usually are not). But I filter them all to a PCN
folder so they aren't clogging up my inbox.
You get it if (I think) you are within 150 miles on the same frequency with one
of your licenses.
--
bp
part {dash} 15 {at} SkylineBroadbandService {dot} com
On 12/15/2014 9:57 AM, Chuck McCown via Af wrote:
Sorry Tim...Liz and all the other frequency coordinators here. I know it is
not your fault.
You get a few licensed links up and pretty soon you are inundated with notices.
The one time I complained about a link, nothing happened at all.
So, as far as I am concerned, they are a welfare plan designed by the federal
government to employ postal workers.
From: Chuck McCown via Af mailto:af@afmug.com
Sent: Monday, December 15, 2014 10:55 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] licensed prior coordination notifications
They go directly to the trash.
From: That One Guy via Af mailto:af@afmug.com
Sent: Monday, December 15, 2014 10:51 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] licensed prior coordination notifications
Since we got our license a few weeks ago we have gotten a ton of these things,
some of which are a state away.
What is the criteria for sending these things out?
What are we supposed to do with them, are we supposed to run a pth calc to see
if it looks like it will cause issues?
whos responsible for prior notice if it looks like it might? Is it us or the
applicant frequency coordinator?
--
All parts should go together without forcing. You must remember that the parts
you are reassembling were disassembled by you. Therefore, if you can't get them
together again, there must be a reason. By all means, do not use a hammer. --
IBM maintenance manual, 1925
Re: [AFMUG] licensed prior coordination notifications
Go ahead and issue the PCN for the 11 that is clear now. If they aren't paying
attention you are golden. If they are then submit the license request anyway.
It will be rubber stamped and issued. Their protest, if they bother, is going
to have to include documentation of their squatting and that is not going to
help their case. Someone needs to stand up to these guys. Might as well be you
Mark.
PC
Blaze Broadband
On December 15, 2014 8:16:04 PM EST, Mark Radabaugh via Af af@afmug.com wrote:
The squatting by the HFT guys is really ticking me off at the moment.
I need an additional link on a path and can’t find any working channels
in 11Ghz. I’m going to have to replace the existing 11Ghz link with 2
18Ghz links instead of adding a polarization to the existing 11Ghz.
It doubles the cost for a path that the HFT guys have been sitting on
for at least 2 years.
Mark
On Dec 15, 2014, at 8:09 PM, Ken Hohhof via Af af@afmug.com wrote:
Maybe he’s assuming in a few years quantum entanglement or
faster-then-light neutrinos will make them obsolete?
I see more PCNs than physical links. Abusing the system to call dibs
on towers and frequencies. Most of the PCNs I see are actually
renewals, that way they can tie up the coordinated path without
starting the construction deadline clock ticking.
From: Jon Langeler via Af mailto:af@afmug.com
Sent: Monday, December 15, 2014 6:53 PM
To: af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] licensed prior coordination notifications
What happens in a few years?
-Jon
Sent from my iPhone
On Dec 15, 2014, at 7:11 PM, CARL PETERSON via Af af@afmug.com
mailto:af@afmug.com wrote:
I use them to make a KML of all the HFT links that are going to be
sitting there on the towers doing nothing in a few years.
On Dec 15, 2014, at 6:01 PM, Bill Prince via Af af@afmug.com
mailto:af@afmug.com wrote:
We get them all the time too. I just scan them to see if they are
in the same county as our stuff (and they usually are not). But I
filter them all to a PCN folder so they aren't clogging up my inbox.
You get it if (I think) you are within 150 miles on the same
frequency with one of your licenses.
--
bp
part {dash} 15 {at} SkylineBroadbandService {dot} com
On 12/15/2014 9:57 AM, Chuck McCown via Af wrote:
Sorry Tim...Liz and all the other frequency coordinators here. I
know it is not your fault.
You get a few licensed links up and pretty soon you are inundated
with notices.
The one time I complained about a link, nothing happened at all.
So, as far as I am concerned, they are a welfare plan designed by
the federal government to employ postal workers.
From: Chuck McCown via Af mailto:af@afmug.com
Sent: Monday, December 15, 2014 10:55 AM
To: af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] licensed prior coordination notifications
They go directly to the trash.
From: That One Guy via Af mailto:af@afmug.com
Sent: Monday, December 15, 2014 10:51 AM
To: af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] licensed prior coordination notifications
Since we got our license a few weeks ago we have gotten a ton of
these things, some of which are a state away.
What is the criteria for sending these things out?
What are we supposed to do with them, are we supposed to run a pth
calc to see if it looks like it will cause issues?
whos responsible for prior notice if it looks like it might? Is it
us or the applicant frequency coordinator?
--
All parts should go together without forcing. You must remember
that the parts you are reassembling were disassembled by you.
Therefore, if you can't get them together again, there must be a
reason. By all means, do not use a hammer. -- IBM maintenance manual,
1925
Re: [AFMUG] Well there goes all our bandwidth. Amazon streaming4Know.
Don’t you hate when someone flushes the toilet when you are in the shower?
PC
Blaze Broadband
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Ryan Ghering via Af
Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2014 11:01 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Well there goes all our bandwidth. Amazon streaming4Know.
Ohh we see that now as well. Customer with a 6 meg package calls in, Yea the
net is slow I'm not getting my bandwidth I go look at they have a constant
traffic stream of 5.8 meg day in and day out for months. I ask, do you have
young kids at home? yup, but all they are doing is watching netflix cartoons,
and my wife just watch's stuff on her ipad shouldn't use that much bandwidth.
What will it take to teach customers that its not 6 meg PER DEVICE.. lol
On Wed, Dec 10, 2014 at 8:55 AM, Ken Hohhof via Af af@afmug.com wrote:
I’m not so worried about 4K as I am that this will be the year we get hit with
the transition from one Netflix stream to everybody in the house streaming
video at the same time and people don’t understand why they used to be able to
stream video and now they can’t. I’m already seeing it.
I love the people who swear they don’t stream video at all, just Youtube and
Facetime and on-demand on the satellite TV and some video on the Xbox and the
new smart TV and a couple Rokus and some Facebook videos on the iPad, but no
streaming going on here.
From: That One Guy via Af mailto:af@afmug.com
Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2014 9:30 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Well there goes all our bandwidth. Amazon streaming4Know.
This is going to make for an ugly christmas season.
If we had customer service who was firm it wouldnt be an issue we dont offer
that speed currently
but instead, the customers on 900 will be the ones who get the tv, and the
subscription and call in, and CS will keep saying, well isnt there anything we
can do for this guy in the middle of the forrest with the 300 foot cable run?
and Ill have to go home and punch one of my children, probably the boy, Im kind
of afraid of the girl.
On Tue, Dec 9, 2014 at 10:51 PM, Ken Hohhof via Af af@afmug.com wrote:
A quick Google search comes up with Audials and Playlater. It does not appear
to be rocket science.
From: Jason McKemie via Af mailto:af@afmug.com
Sent: Tuesday, December 09, 2014 10:18 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Well there goes all our bandwidth. Amazon streaming 4Know.
I'd think if someone could figure out a way to get the movies from RAM, they
could also figure out a way to capture them from a stream.
On Tue, Dec 9, 2014 at 8:59 PM, Travis Johnson via Af af@afmug.com wrote:
Because then people could save the movies in RAM, and someone would figure
out a way to be able to download them and put them on the Internet for free.
It's a licensing issue... that's why streaming is OK.
Travis
On 12/9/2014 7:00 PM, Bill Prince via Af wrote:
That 187MB translates to only about 11.25 GB per hour. Why not stick in a 32GB
memory and be done? That would be almost 3 hours of buffer.
--
bp
part {dash} 15 {at} SkylineBroadbandService {dot} com
On 12/9/2014 4:50 PM, Travis Johnson via Af wrote:
It's really too bad that the devices that support all these streaming services
can't have a larger buffer. I'm sure it's part of their licensing deals, but if
they could buffer 60 seconds of stream (at any quality), they would have much
fewer support calls for streaming issues, etc.
Using Netflix's 25Mbps for 4k, that works out to 187.5MB of storage space. At
current RAM prices, you can buy a 256MB module for $15 full retail... so places
like Samsung can probably buy them in quantity for less than $2. Seems like it
would be worth it to pay an extra $10 for a TV/DVD/PS4/Wii-U device that could
handle 60 seconds of video.
Travis
On 12/9/2014 5:34 PM, Sterling Jacobson via Af wrote:
That’s pretty cool.
You can do 4k direct from Youtube.
Several of the ones I’ve tested are sustained around 20-30Mbps.
But on my network it tends to burst to 90Mbps then sit around for a while, then
burst back to 90Mbps.
I think the 4k will require a lot of optimizations before it works on the built
in TV’s.
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jerry Richardson via Af
Sent: Tuesday, December 09, 2014 5:12 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Well there goes all our bandwidth. Amazon streaming 4K now.
Lovely
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Ryan Ghering via Af
Sent: Tuesday, December 09, 2014 3:38 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] Well there goes all our bandwidth. Amazon streaming 4K now.
http://www.cnet.com/news/amazon-starts-4k-uhd-streams/
--
Ryan Ghering
Network Operations - Plains.Net
Office: 970-848-0475 - Cell: 970-630-1879
--
All parts should go together without forcing. You must remember that the parts
you are reassembling were
Re: [AFMUG] Well there goes all our bandwidth. Amazon streaming 4Know.
Didn’t the Betamax case make it very clear that home recording of shows for
later personal use viewing is not a copyright infringement and is 100% legal?
I have always wondered why the DCMA, the broadcast flag, and related home
recording limitations are not illegal. Are they not infringing on our fair use
of copyright material?
PC
Blaze Broadband
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Ken Hohhof via Af
Sent: Tuesday, December 9, 2014 11:52 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Well there goes all our bandwidth. Amazon streaming 4Know.
A quick Google search comes up with Audials and Playlater. It does not appear
to be rocket science.
From: Jason McKemie via Af mailto:af@afmug.com
Sent: Tuesday, December 09, 2014 10:18 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Well there goes all our bandwidth. Amazon streaming 4Know.
I'd think if someone could figure out a way to get the movies from RAM, they
could also figure out a way to capture them from a stream.
On Tue, Dec 9, 2014 at 8:59 PM, Travis Johnson via Af af@afmug.com wrote:
Because then people could save the movies in RAM, and someone would figure
out a way to be able to download them and put them on the Internet for free.
It's a licensing issue... that's why streaming is OK.
Travis
On 12/9/2014 7:00 PM, Bill Prince via Af wrote:
That 187MB translates to only about 11.25 GB per hour. Why not stick in a 32GB
memory and be done? That would be almost 3 hours of buffer.
--
bp
part {dash} 15 {at} SkylineBroadbandService {dot} com
On 12/9/2014 4:50 PM, Travis Johnson via Af wrote:
It's really too bad that the devices that support all these streaming services
can't have a larger buffer. I'm sure it's part of their licensing deals, but if
they could buffer 60 seconds of stream (at any quality), they would have much
fewer support calls for streaming issues, etc.
Using Netflix's 25Mbps for 4k, that works out to 187.5MB of storage space. At
current RAM prices, you can buy a 256MB module for $15 full retail... so places
like Samsung can probably buy them in quantity for less than $2. Seems like it
would be worth it to pay an extra $10 for a TV/DVD/PS4/Wii-U device that could
handle 60 seconds of video.
Travis
On 12/9/2014 5:34 PM, Sterling Jacobson via Af wrote:
That’s pretty cool.
You can do 4k direct from Youtube.
Several of the ones I’ve tested are sustained around 20-30Mbps.
But on my network it tends to burst to 90Mbps then sit around for a while, then
burst back to 90Mbps.
I think the 4k will require a lot of optimizations before it works on the built
in TV’s.
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jerry Richardson via Af
Sent: Tuesday, December 09, 2014 5:12 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Well there goes all our bandwidth. Amazon streaming 4K now.
Lovely
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Ryan Ghering via Af
Sent: Tuesday, December 09, 2014 3:38 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] Well there goes all our bandwidth. Amazon streaming 4K now.
http://www.cnet.com/news/amazon-starts-4k-uhd-streams/
--
Ryan Ghering
Network Operations - Plains.Net
Office: 970-848-0475 - Cell: 970-630-1879
Re: [AFMUG] Atom D525 vs C2750
We have been planning on standing up a couple of light duty Linux servers to upgrade our DNS and RADIUS and maybe even a CACTI upgrade later. Are these newer ATOM platforms and a couple of small SSD's up to these tasks? How does the D525 do? It appears the C2750 has been out for nearly a year but I'm are not finding too many products using them. Intel's chart makes it look like the C2550 (4 cores vs 8 cores) might be a more cost effective replacement to the D525. But there are even fewer C2550 motherboards out there and they are not significantly cheaper than the C2750 or even the D525. Are we just not looking in the right places or is this low-cost low-TDP server market just really small? PC Blaze Broadband -Original Message- From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Ken Hohhof via Af Sent: Saturday, December 6, 2014 2:57 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] Atom D525 vs C2750 I have several small Linux servers using Atom D525 processors for tasks like DNS and RADIUS, I even have one running Win7 that I use for PRTG and CNUT and RDP sessions. Put a couple 128 GB SSDs in them and with passive cooling and low TDP you have an almost indestructible little server. Going forward, I'm wondering if I should look at the newer C2750 version, it would seem to support more memory and storage, 4x as many cores, 2x as many threads, higher clock speed, more cache, supports ECC memory, but at a higher price and TDP, and the Ethernet NICs might not be as good as the 82574L chips on the motherboards I have been using. Also at that price point you could question the value compared to just using an i3 or E3 processor. And even if the D525 is an old design with limited cores, cache and memory addressing, it does the job, so the only reason to use the newer chips may be for future proofing. So has anyone done the analysis or actually deployed C2750 based servers?
Re: [AFMUG] Atom D525 vs C2750
Yes, but Eric's i3 suggestion, in a Newegg combo kit is $222 (http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboBundleDetails.aspx?ItemList=Combo.171263 2) as an example. Add a $100 case and it is just a little more than half the price of this SM C2750. It doubles the TDP but for a CPU that scores 3.5 times better than the ATOM on the PassMark CPU score. This example is micro ATX but mini ITX boards are available. You have to really want low power to pay so much more for the ATOM. This might explain why the ATOM server market is so relaxed. PC Blaze Broadband -Original Message- From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Ken Hohhof via Af Sent: Tuesday, December 9, 2014 11:36 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Atom D525 vs C2750 I've been pretty happy with the D510/D525 even with the limited speed, cores, memory addressing and onboard cache. I like the low power consumption and passive heatsinks. What I'm looking at is Supermicro 5018A-TN4: http://gopcn.com/i-16556899-supermicro-1u-atom-5018a-tn4.html Not all that cheap, but it's a genuine server with ECC memory, IPMI, short depth rackmount, and with the 2.5 HDD bracket can easily hold two SSD's for a software RAID1 configuration. Set the fan at lowest speed and even if it fails it should not really be needed unless you have it in a hostile environment. Probably fine with 4MB RAM and 128GB storage, maybe more storage for RADIUS or CACTI. BIND does a good job of multithreading and will use however many cores you give it, not sure about RADIUS and CACTI. D525 has 2 cores and 4 threads, C2750 has 8 cores and 8 threads plus a somewhat higher clock speed, so I'm figuring 2- 3 times the performance? It's definitely more money though. -Original Message- From: Paul Conlin via Af Sent: Tuesday, December 09, 2014 9:58 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Atom D525 vs C2750 We have been planning on standing up a couple of light duty Linux servers to upgrade our DNS and RADIUS and maybe even a CACTI upgrade later. Are these newer ATOM platforms and a couple of small SSD's up to these tasks? How does the D525 do? It appears the C2750 has been out for nearly a year but I'm are not finding too many products using them. Intel's chart makes it look like the C2550 (4 cores vs 8 cores) might be a more cost effective replacement to the D525. But there are even fewer C2550 motherboards out there and they are not significantly cheaper than the C2750 or even the D525. Are we just not looking in the right places or is this low-cost low-TDP server market just really small? PC Blaze Broadband -Original Message- From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Ken Hohhof via Af Sent: Saturday, December 6, 2014 2:57 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] Atom D525 vs C2750 I have several small Linux servers using Atom D525 processors for tasks like DNS and RADIUS, I even have one running Win7 that I use for PRTG and CNUT and RDP sessions. Put a couple 128 GB SSDs in them and with passive cooling and low TDP you have an almost indestructible little server. Going forward, I'm wondering if I should look at the newer C2750 version, it would seem to support more memory and storage, 4x as many cores, 2x as many threads, higher clock speed, more cache, supports ECC memory, but at a higher price and TDP, and the Ethernet NICs might not be as good as the 82574L chips on the motherboards I have been using. Also at that price point you could question the value compared to just using an i3 or E3 processor. And even if the D525 is an old design with limited cores, cache and memory addressing, it does the job, so the only reason to use the newer chips may be for future proofing. So has anyone done the analysis or actually deployed C2750 based servers?
Re: [AFMUG] ESPN3
Yea, screw ESPN3’s model. It makes perfect sense for the content providers to offer their service to direct, however. HBO, for example, can get the full retail price from each viewer and keep the margin the cableco was making. Most viewers won’t care if they pay $10 to Dish or $10 to HBO. It will also help HBO in the negotiations next time Dish tries to push back when they need to renew their contract. Why would HBO not go direct? The problem I see coming is the viewer’s hassle factor maintaining subscriptions to each content provider. Sure credit card autopay makes it easy but a real pain when Home Depot screws up and forces a card number change. There is a need in the market for a clearing house where you put in your credit card /ACH info once and just check the boxes as to what content you want. I think this is the way to give people a la carte channels without the cableco dinosaurs needing to do anything. So who is going to start this business? If you could get 0.1% of the $80B pay TV market you would be raking in $80M a year… PC Blaze Broadband From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Ken Hohhof via Af Sent: Thursday, December 4, 2014 9:23 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ESPN3 There seems to be a trend toward a new business model, like CBS now has an individual subscription service. That’s the right way to go, we can hope Disney/ESPN finds themselves all alone with their cable channel model, and decides to start offering individual subscriptions. The content providers are also starting to regularly get pushback from the cable and satellite systems about the fees they want to charge at renewal time. I think ESPN3 is on the wrong side of history. If you want to be an OTT content provider, you sell subscriptions direct to the subscribers who want your content. From: Jason McKemie via Af mailto:af@afmug.com Sent: Thursday, December 04, 2014 4:44 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ESPN3 Don't contribute to that business model. On Wednesday, December 3, 2014, Brett A Mansfield via Af af@afmug.com wrote: I've seen a lot of ISPs and WISPs offering ESPN3 for free now. Nobody can seem to or is willing to tell me how they get that set up. I'd really like to offer that to my customers. Anyone able and willing to tell me how to do that? Thank you, Brett A Mansfield
[AFMUG] DNS resolution for www.eftps.gov
Anyone having trouble resolving www.eftps.gov to 204.194.124.19. Google DNS 8.8.8.8 and 8.8.4.4 doesn't list it. Has the Government stopped collecting taxes? OpenDNS and others do resolve so keep sending your money. Maybe this is Google protesting something? PC Blaze Broadband
Re: [AFMUG] DNS resolution for www.eftps.gov
Why would they block only that one domain? PC Blaze Broadband From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Andy Trimmell via Af Sent: Wednesday, December 3, 2014 2:37 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] DNS resolution for www.eftps.gov Google has been blocking DNS if you use it too often because of DDOS attacks. They can block your resolution for 24 hours in some cases. Don't use it. From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett via Af Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2014 2:28 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] DNS resolution for www.eftps.gov Yet another reason to not use Google's DNS. It's unreliable. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com _ From: Paul Conlin via Af af@afmug.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: Wednesday, December 3, 2014 1:21:46 PM Subject: [AFMUG] DNS resolution for www.eftps.gov Anyone having trouble resolving www.eftps.gov to 204.194.124.19. Google DNS 8.8.8.8 and 8.8.4.4 doesn’t list it. Has the Government stopped collecting taxes? OpenDNS and others do resolve so keep sending your money. Maybe this is Google protesting something? PC Blaze Broadband
Re: [AFMUG] New site DC power help
Neutral is AC’s roughly equivalent to DC’s negative. FWIW I’d run DC up the coax to keep more of the equipment more accessible at the bottom. You have more than one coax so you can run another voltage on another one, if needed. PC Blaze Broadband From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman via Af Sent: Monday, November 10, 2014 11:38 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] New site DC power help Well I was thinking... AC - battery charger - 24v batteries - coax up the building coax - 24v regulator - PacketFlux What is the neutral bar? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Mon, Nov 10, 2014 at 11:29 AM, Chuck McCown via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Why DC? Why not just tie the center conductor to a circuit breaker and make sure the shield is tied to the neutral bar. Then you have all kinds of options up there. From: Josh Luthman via Af mailto:af@afmug.com Sent: Monday, November 10, 2014 9:20 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] New site DC power help I am getting onto a new site that is a building. The owner has given me free permission to use anything I want that Sprint left. That's the nice building as well as 6 heavy duty 1 thick coax runs from the base to the top of the tower. What I would like to do is run DC on one of these. They have connectors that look twice as big as N connectors. How can I go from this connector to a DC power supply? What about at the top from the coax to a regulator? Am I correct in assuming the center pin would be hot and the outside/threading be neutral? Would 24vdc be OK for this? Or would 48vdc be better? Thanks in advance for any help! I'd like to avoid running 10 feet of wire and soldering if at all possible. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373
Re: [AFMUG] New site DC power help
Never worked with fat N connectors. Try L-comm's web site for visual match? On November 10, 2014 11:47:41 AM EST, Josh Luthman via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Any ideas how to go from the fat N connector to a rectifier? =) Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Mon, Nov 10, 2014 at 11:43 AM, Paul Conlin via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Neutral is AC’s roughly equivalent to DC’s negative. FWIW I’d run DC up the coax to keep more of the equipment more accessible at the bottom. You have more than one coax so you can run another voltage on another one, if needed. PC Blaze Broadband *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Josh Luthman via Af *Sent:* Monday, November 10, 2014 11:38 AM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] New site DC power help Well I was thinking... AC - battery charger - 24v batteries - coax up the building coax - 24v regulator - PacketFlux What is the neutral bar? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Mon, Nov 10, 2014 at 11:29 AM, Chuck McCown via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Why DC? Why not just tie the center conductor to a circuit breaker and make sure the shield is tied to the neutral bar. Then you have all kinds of options up there. *From:* Josh Luthman via Af af@afmug.com *Sent:* Monday, November 10, 2014 9:20 AM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* [AFMUG] New site DC power help I am getting onto a new site that is a building. The owner has given me free permission to use anything I want that Sprint left. That's the nice building as well as 6 heavy duty 1 thick coax runs from the base to the top of the tower. What I would like to do is run DC on one of these. They have connectors that look twice as big as N connectors. How can I go from this connector to a DC power supply? What about at the top from the coax to a regulator? Am I correct in assuming the center pin would be hot and the outside/threading be neutral? Would 24vdc be OK for this? Or would 48vdc be better? Thanks in advance for any help! I'd like to avoid running 10 feet of wire and soldering if at all possible. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373
Re: [AFMUG] Dragonwave latency issues
Could the routers at each end be the limiting factor? What is their CPU utilization when the link is loaded? What happens to latency if you stress the link at 200 Mbps with a speed test? Those radios should be able to do close to 400 Mbps all day long with no latency. PC Blaze Broadband From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Joshua Heide via Af Sent: Wednesday, October 22, 2014 3:06 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Dragonwave latency issues Yes it's a horizon compact Bandwidth of the unit is 400mbs Bandwidth usage between 150-200mbs during peak hours. No QOS Yes during non-peak hours its sits at 1ms SNR35.00 dB From our prtg graphs this issues has started end of September and latency has gotten worse during peak times as we have deployed more 450 gear to that tower. I currently have HAAM enabled on the link and it stays at 256qam unless we have some bad weather. Josh Heide Velociter Wireless (office) 209-838-1221 (fax) 209-838-1800 http://www.velociter.net/ www.velociter.net From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Bill Prince via Af Sent: Wednesday, October 22, 2014 11:47 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Dragonwave latency issues So it's a Horizon Compact? What is the total bandwidth, and what percentage are you using? Have you set up any QOS? 180 ms sounds like a lot; especially when ours are typically less than 1 ms. -38 is right in the game. What are the other parameters besides signal level? bp On 10/22/2014 11:18 AM, Joshua Heide via Af wrote: We have a dragonwave that has latency issues that coincide with traffic peak times. As our traffic peaks so does that latency at 180ms. Any ideas that could cause this? Signal is -38 Current HAAM Mode hc50_364_256qam Thanks, Josh Heide Velociter Wireless (office) 209-838-1221 (fax) 209-838-1800 http://www.velociter.net/ www.velociter.net
Re: [AFMUG] Kudus to Chuck and Beehive ePMP dishes
I heard it was magnets doing the magic. I’m worried they will demagnetize over time. PC Blaze Broadband From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman via Af Sent: Wednesday, October 22, 2014 4:35 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Kudus to Chuck and Beehive ePMP dishes Is it really a paint? Any concern of it fading? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Oct 22, 2014 4:29 PM, Chuck McCown via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Thanks Paul. I guess my special gain enhancing paint really does work... From: Paul McCall via Af mailto:af@afmug.com Sent: Wednesday, October 22, 2014 2:23 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] Kudus to Chuck and Beehive ePMP dishes We did a 50+ ePMP customer swapout the past two days and had some customers that were borderline. We were using “Brand X” dishes for most of the swapouts with pretty good results. We have a few links that were not about -76 to -78 and decided to try Beehive Manufacturing’s bigger dish with the specific 2.4 Ghz holder. I recall Chuck telling me at Wispapalooza last year that he had discovered something about how to tweak 2.4 over 5 Ghz on ePMP and that’s why he has two different holders. Well, his design rocks!The first site is about 5 miles away in heavy trees and we couldn’t get a steady link (-78ish) with a standard dish. It now is rock solid at a -62/63 with 78Mbit/4Mbit TCP throughput on the link tests. The second site is 8.5 miles away with LOS and we also went from -78 to -62 and it is even better on the throughput. Whew! Saved our butt on about 5 similar links today. Also, thanks for Chuck and Traci for getting the 2.4 Ghz holders to us so quickly when screamed “help” yesterday. Paul McCall, Pres. PDMNet / Florida Broadband 658 Old Dixie Highway Vero Beach, FL 32962 772-564-6800 office 772-473-0352 cell www.pdmnet.com http://www.pdmnet.com/ pa...@pdmnet.net
Re: [AFMUG] Custom fiber cable?
Never seen stainless threads on custom fiber cables. Copper is too soft to be used for nuts. You are thinking of silicon-bronze—we use them on all stainless on towers. Cheapest solution is anti-seize from any auto parts store on the stainless-to-stainless threads and they will never seize. Really messy—stains you fingers and never comes out of your clothes, however. In pinch, like when you at the top of the tower and realize you forgot to upgrade to silicon-bronze nuts, any lubricant will do. Spit on the threads if you have to. Then go really slow so you don’t generate heat. PC Blaze Broadband From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of TJ Trout via Af Sent: Monday, October 20, 2014 1:11 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Custom fiber cable? Just buy some copper nuts like cyclones On Oct 19, 2014 7:58 PM, Glen Waldrop via Af af@afmug.com wrote: What he said. Just had a tower fall. Stainless steel bolts were still seized on the sectors. Probably the only parts that were still together after the fall. We needed to adjust the downtilt later, but we didn't know how bad stainless locked up when we installed them. - Original Message - From: George Skorup (Cyber Broadcasting) via Af af@afmug.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: Sunday, October 19, 2014 9:22 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Custom fiber cable? There are no beans to spill, it's still just the 450. Now what would be great is if Cambium could get with Laird and tell them stop using stainless nuts on stainless bolts. The next time I find one of those MFer's seized up, I'm going to drive it out into a field and give it a couple rounds of 45ACP. I'm talking about the sector mast clamp bolts and nuts. We had to move some sectors around and every single nut was seized onto their bolts. Please for the love of god just make everything galvanized. On 10/19/2014 8:55 PM, TJ Trout via Af wrote: Gino, spill the 455 beans
Re: [AFMUG] Pmp450 vs epmp pros vs cons
Yes, as I understand it. Bigger CPU and also an improved RF front end. Don’t worry, they are insistent it will leave no 450SM behind. I’m thinking the 450AP will be phased out, however. PC Blaze Broadband From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Bill Prince via Af Sent: Monday, October 20, 2014 1:31 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Pmp450 vs epmp pros vs cons At some point (soon?) the 450 SM needs a processor boost. Is that what the PMP455 is all about? bp On 10/20/2014 10:24 AM, Mike Hammett via Af wrote: Well no not on existing hardware, but it doesn't look like PMP450 can do that either. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions https://twitter.com/ICSIL _ From: Ken Hohhof via Af mailto:af@afmug.com af@afmug.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: Monday, October 20, 2014 12:22:39 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Pmp450 vs epmp pros vs cons On the existing hardware? At one time there were hints about 256QAM and 40MHz channels, hence the GigE interface on the AP. They delivered on 256QAM, I haven’t heard about 40 MHz in awhile, I doubt 80 MHz is under consideration. Also they needed a lot of firmware optimization to get throughput to a single SM up to what the RF can do now. So I’d guess even 100 Mbps to a single SM would take new hardware. From: Mike Hammett via Af mailto:af@afmug.com Sent: Monday, October 20, 2014 12:13 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Pmp450 vs epmp pros vs cons Well the Mimosa will deliver 620 megabits or so to two clients at the same time, so 1,200+ total from one AP. How much room is there for growth in 450? *shrugs* How long has it been out and how much growth have you seen thus far? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions https://twitter.com/ICSIL _ From: Craig Schmaderer via Af mailto:af@afmug.com af@afmug.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: Monday, October 20, 2014 12:10:16 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Pmp450 vs epmp pros vs cons Is the 450 still only 20mhz and under? If they even can or do up it to like 80mhz like mimosa is going to do, how close could the 450 get to 600meg cap with just firmware upgrades? Any guesses? Craig R. Schmaderer CEO | Skywave Wireless, Inc. Ph: 402-372-1975 | Fax: 402-372-1058 Direct: 402-372-1052 From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett via Af Sent: Monday, October 20, 2014 10:25 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Pmp450 vs epmp pros vs cons I'm just glad to have fewer steps. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com _ From: Josh Reynolds via Af af@afmug.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: Monday, October 20, 2014 1:36:26 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Pmp450 vs epmp pros vs cons The whole point of their waveguide idea was to remove the jumper loss. Josh Reynolds, Chief Information Officer SPITwSPOTS, www.spitwspots.com On 10/19/2014 10:06 PM, Ken Hohhof via Af wrote: Maybe RF Elements is onto something with their waveguide port radios, extend using low loss elliptical waveguide and put the radios inside a nice building or enclosure on the ground away from the lighting. From: Paul McCall via Af mailto:af@afmug.com Sent: Sunday, October 19, 2014 4:42 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Pmp450 vs epmp pros vs cons For us, the biggest issue is the replacement cost of the 450. NOT the initial cost, that is what it is, but we are in the lightning capital of the world. Sometimes we can repair everything that gets hit and sometimes on a direct strike, we can’t repair any of it. On most towers, we deploy 5 Ghz and 2.4 Ghz, so 8 APs each. Some are only one frequency band, so then there are only 4. Say those 4 APs are supporting 50 customers at $ 45 each… $ 2250 / month. (most towers are a less than that and some are more). So, if I lose $ 8K in APs ($ 2000 x 4) in one evening, I am looking at least 4 months of lost revenue just to replace those APs (not counting labor, etc.) We have had commercial, well-grounded towers that get hit twice in a season, so that’s 8 months (probably more like 10 months loss in real business terms) per year. That makes NO sense to play that game. And, again, a lot of towers have two frequency bands, thus 8 APs. We have had 4 commercial towers out of 18 with total losses this year on the APs. Thankfully, the used market on 100 series APs is very low cost, so not nearly as big of an impact. So, with ePMP APs (while maybe not as good as 450APs) I can at least cut my losses by 80%. That’s a big deal !
Re: [AFMUG] Pmp450 vs epmp pros vs cons
Oh, and an ARM coprocessor to go along with the FPGA. Forgot that little detail. PC Blaze Broadband On October 20, 2014 1:38:58 PM EDT, Paul Conlin via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Yes, as I understand it. Bigger CPU and also an improved RF front end. Don’t worry, they are insistent it will leave no 450SM behind. I’m thinking the 450AP will be phased out, however. PC Blaze Broadband From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Bill Prince via Af Sent: Monday, October 20, 2014 1:31 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Pmp450 vs epmp pros vs cons At some point (soon?) the 450 SM needs a processor boost. Is that what the PMP455 is all about? bp On 10/20/2014 10:24 AM, Mike Hammett via Af wrote: Well no not on existing hardware, but it doesn't look like PMP450 can do that either. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions https://twitter.com/ICSIL _ From: Ken Hohhof via Af mailto:af@afmug.com af@afmug.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: Monday, October 20, 2014 12:22:39 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Pmp450 vs epmp pros vs cons On the existing hardware? At one time there were hints about 256QAM and 40MHz channels, hence the GigE interface on the AP. They delivered on 256QAM, I haven’t heard about 40 MHz in awhile, I doubt 80 MHz is under consideration. Also they needed a lot of firmware optimization to get throughput to a single SM up to what the RF can do now. So I’d guess even 100 Mbps to a single SM would take new hardware. From: Mike Hammett via Af mailto:af@afmug.com Sent: Monday, October 20, 2014 12:13 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Pmp450 vs epmp pros vs cons Well the Mimosa will deliver 620 megabits or so to two clients at the same time, so 1,200+ total from one AP. How much room is there for growth in 450? *shrugs* How long has it been out and how much growth have you seen thus far? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions https://twitter.com/ICSIL _ From: Craig Schmaderer via Af mailto:af@afmug.com af@afmug.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: Monday, October 20, 2014 12:10:16 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Pmp450 vs epmp pros vs cons Is the 450 still only 20mhz and under? If they even can or do up it to like 80mhz like mimosa is going to do, how close could the 450 get to 600meg cap with just firmware upgrades? Any guesses? Craig R. Schmaderer CEO | Skywave Wireless, Inc. Ph: 402-372-1975 | Fax: 402-372-1058 Direct: 402-372-1052 From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett via Af Sent: Monday, October 20, 2014 10:25 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Pmp450 vs epmp pros vs cons I'm just glad to have fewer steps. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com _ From: Josh Reynolds via Af af@afmug.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: Monday, October 20, 2014 1:36:26 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Pmp450 vs epmp pros vs cons The whole point of their waveguide idea was to remove the jumper loss. Josh Reynolds, Chief Information Officer SPITwSPOTS, www.spitwspots.com On 10/19/2014 10:06 PM, Ken Hohhof via Af wrote: Maybe RF Elements is onto something with their waveguide port radios, extend using low loss elliptical waveguide and put the radios inside a nice building or enclosure on the ground away from the lighting. From: Paul McCall via Af mailto:af@afmug.com Sent: Sunday, October 19, 2014 4:42 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Pmp450 vs epmp pros vs cons For us, the biggest issue is the replacement cost of the 450. NOT the initial cost, that is what it is, but we are in the lightning capital of the world. Sometimes we can repair everything that gets hit and sometimes on a direct strike, we can’t repair any of it. On most towers, we deploy 5 Ghz and 2.4 Ghz, so 8 APs each. Some are only one frequency band, so then there are only 4. Say those 4 APs are supporting 50 customers at $ 45 each… $ 2250 / month. (most towers are a less than that and some are more). So, if I lose $ 8K in APs ($ 2000 x 4) in one evening, I am looking at least 4 months of lost revenue just to replace those APs (not counting labor, etc.) We have had commercial, well-grounded towers that get hit twice in a season, so that’s 8 months (probably more like 10 months loss in real business terms) per year. That makes NO sense to play that game. And, again, a lot of towers have two frequency bands, thus 8 APs. We have had 4 commercial towers out of 18 with total losses this year on the APs. Thankfully, the used market on 100 series APs is very low cost, so not nearly as big
Re: [AFMUG] Gpon or 10g-pon sfp...when?
GPON technology is not housed in the SFP module as that is only the laser and diodes. The timing smarts central to GPON is on the board. Not saying Mikrotik couldn’t do it just that it is not a compatibility with a plug-in thing. I don’t know if GPON has been boiled down to a chipset and reference design yet. If so, then it could happen but it still wouldn’t be a plug-in. 10G XGPON 1 and 2 is not likely to be popular until 2016 or so. And then it will still need considerable time to see the prices of the new lasers to come down far enough to make it cost effective for the ONT. So you have a long wait for that one. PC Blaze Broadband From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of TJ Trout via Af Sent: Sunday, October 19, 2014 3:04 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] Gpon or 10g-pon sfp...when? How far away are we from seeing a gpon olt sfp module that would be mikrotik compatible? Would be nice to use a ccr 12s and be able to serve hundreds of customers. Seems like we aren't real close though ?
Re: [AFMUG] Random thought
Those stupid fast speeds sure do make it harder to get face time with potential customers however. Cable COs are making 25 Mbps the new base. PC Blaze Broadband On October 18, 2014 10:51:47 AM EDT, Ken Hohhof via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Or the magic words “up to”? Like crossing your fingers behind your back. From: Forrest Christian (List Account) via Af Sent: Saturday, October 18, 2014 9:35 AM To: af Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Random thought If your concern is raw speed alone, then you're right. On the other hand, if you can't figure out how to build a winning value proposition against some of the most hated companies in the country, then you are doing something wrong. The wireless technology today will get you to the point where most customers won't see a difference in speed for their typical usage. On Oct 17, 2014 4:50 PM, Chris Wright via Af af@afmug.com wrote: I don't disagree with your sentiment, but cable companies are offering stupid-fast plans now thanks to Google Fiber in more and more markets. Comcast is doubling speeds for free in some of their markets now. I doubt WISPs will ever win over the average residential customer who is eligible for cable and knows it (unless they're leaving on principle or something like that). Chris Wright Velociter Wireless -Original Message- From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of cstanners--- via Af Sent: Friday, October 17, 2014 4:43 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] Random thought It's interesting that we needed Ubiquiti to push forward the industry by creating a high-end/high-capacity backhaul at a very low price, and Cambium to do the same by creating a wifi-chip-based/value-priced PtMP and mid-capacity PtP system that has GPS sync and seems to work very well. A few years ago when Canopy was stuck at 14mbit FSK, I was wondering how the WISP industry would survive. Now with Canopy450 and those more cost-effective options, things are looking very competitive against DSL, and even some cable.
Re: [AFMUG] Custom fiber cable?
Running fiber and copper wire separately gets you the same function with lower cost. Having both in one cable is nice but are you will to pay extra to combine them? If so, companies are waiting for your order. Commscope and RFS are the players in this cable type for the Cellular carrier tower market. At the recent OSP show I talked with Dan Tomica at Cablecon and looked at a sample cable they had on display. He implied he is cheaper. I told him WISPs would like something like this. I think he said they could do a custom cable in as little a 5k ft but obviously the price would be lower per foot with a bigger order. So you need to decide what you want. SM? MM? How many strands? How many conductors? What gauge? Gel? Water block thread? Strength members? Jacket material? Armor? Let us know what price you get. Maybe you can put together a buying consortium. http://www.cablcon.com/pdf/088_Cablcon%20Bro_FibertoAntennaFTTAFTTx.pdf PC Blaze Broadband From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of timothy steele via Af Sent: Saturday, October 18, 2014 8:05 PM To: af@afmug.com Cc: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Custom fiber cable? Everything is pricy to begin with but after the demand is there price will go down just think of all the ways it would change the wisp industry No longer having to deal with cable interference on towers You can now link 450 radios 1000ft from farm house where you have line of sight It will allow manufactors to use fiber on AP's instead of Ethernet and get its power from the power wires It fixes soo many issues I really think this is a cable that needs to be made — Sent from Mailbox https://www.dropbox.com/mailbox On Sat, Oct 18, 2014 at 4:59 PM, Jason McKemie via Af af@afmug.com wrote: It's certainly possible, you just might not like the price. On Saturday, October 18, 2014, timothy steele via Af af@afmug.com wrote: I'm sure you have all seen the coax cable exeed uses with the extra copper on outside of jacked for power.. Dose anyone one know is it's possible to order fiber with 2 copper wires on out side of jacket in its own jacket? — Sent from Mailbox https://www.dropbox.com/mailbox
Re: [AFMUG] WTB: 200' Armored fiber - 12 strand (for towers)
Why not buy a pre-terminated cable? Helps in several ways. It is could be cheaper as they won’t use field-installable crimp connectors. They will test it and make sure all strands are within acceptable loss limits. And if you buy it from someone who has all sorts of different cable types on the shelf you get around your availability problem. They will just cut off what you ask for and charge you by the foot. PC Blaze Broadband From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jeremy via Af Sent: Friday, October 17, 2014 6:54 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] WTB: 200' Armored fiber - 12 strand (for towers) Also, the Corning rack splice trays and tower boxes will accept six LC connectors (I know they make a 12 as well, but the tray in my rack will already accept another adapter later). This is me planning for future upgrades, as I am only installing one link on the fiber now. Plus, I am using field-installable crimp connectors and they are freaking expensive. I don't really want to terminate much more than that just for future expansion. I am running a fiber from our server room to the roof at the NOC and one at our main mountaintop site, which regularly takes strikes. We are installing a new 6GHz link between these sites and I don't really want to run them on Ethernet. On Fri, Oct 17, 2014 at 4:49 PM, Jeremy jeremysmi...@gmail.com wrote: For six backhauls. On Fri, Oct 17, 2014 at 4:36 PM, Chuck Hogg via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Curious why you want 12 strand? Regards, Chuck On Fri, Oct 17, 2014 at 3:52 PM, Jason McKemie via Af af@afmug.com wrote: It usually isn't a problem finding shorter lengths. The shortages I've noticed are mainly several thousand foot spools. On Friday, October 17, 2014, Adam Moffett via Af af@afmug.com wrote: I was told there's a shortage right now. I'm still looking for somebody to sell us 200' of fiber for a project that we are working on. It seems like nobody was using multimode last time we asked so we didn't get any takers. We have decided to just use singlemode instead since that seems to be what most are using. I really don't want to buy 3300 feet on a 14 week lead time to complete this backhaul project. So does anyone out there want to sell us 200' of good quality fiber for a tower project that we are working on?
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Re: [AFMUG] Fiber Weekend Wispalooza
So once you get Gigabit to the home how do you deliver that via WiFi? Ok, so you really can’t deliver 1000 Mbps via WiFi but is it really necessary to spend $200 on the latest 802.11AC router to get 300 Mbps? What kind of WiFi throughput can you get from an RB2011? How about the RB951Ui-2HnD? PC Blaze Broadband From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chris Fabien via Af Sent: Sunday, October 12, 2014 6:56 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Fiber Weekend Wispalooza We decided to use indoor/outdoor drop and run fiber to a 2011 at desktop or in utility area. Avoids poe injector which can be confusing for customer and generate service cslls. On Oct 12, 2014 6:35 PM, Jason McKemie via Af af@afmug.com wrote: I put the RB in an outdoor case and run cat5e out to it. Fiber terminates at the closure. When I was using standard ONTs I ran a separate DC power wire to the UPS/power supply inside of the house. -Jason On Sunday, October 12, 2014, CBB - Jay Fuller via Af af@afmug.com wrote: I figured you'd want to enter the house where most other things enter the house...the fiber/mtik would be on the outside of the house? - Original Message - From: Jason Pond via Af To: af@afmug.com Sent: Sunday, October 12, 2014 3:33 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Fiber Weekend Wispalooza So Yes you can use POE with the MT units but I would just run fiber as far as you can to a power location. Sincerely, Jason Pond On Sun, Oct 12, 2014 at 12:43 PM, CBB - Jay Fuller via Af af@afmug.com wrote: stupid question, but i know the fiber mikrotik stuff / demarc still needs power. what if the point you enter the house does not have power right there? how do you hook that up? utilize POE in some shape, form, or fashion? - Original Message - From: Gino Villarini via Af To: af@afmug.com Sent: Sunday, October 12, 2014 9:10 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Fiber Weekend Wispalooza Still using the firce10 switches? Sent from Marconi's and Graham Bell's fused thoughts!!! On Oct 12, 2014, at 1:35 AM, Sterling Jacobson via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Our ROI is 5 years. We fund per neighborhood and usually come out easily paying out the 5 years monthly on the loan plus plenty left over for operations. Our build costs to the home are skewed because we build at cost. It’s going to vary a lot by your market and circumstance. From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of TJ Trout via Af Sent: Saturday, October 11, 2014 10:58 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Fiber Weekend Wispalooza Any numbers on what it costs to serve an average urban or suburban neighborhood per home ? Trying to get some ideas if we can afford the investment in fiber. Like what would it cost to serve say 100 or 200 homes? And idea on roi if you were paying for the fiber to be laid like I will be? On Oct 11, 2014 9:46 PM, Sterling Jacobson via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Hybrid model, I bring bandwidth in via wireless to the neighborhood and set up a cabinet that serves all the houses in active Ethernet fiber. GPON is ok, but in this model so much of the expense was burial of conduit that it really didn’t make sense to just pull for GPON. Plus GPON restricts you to a specific vendor market. My model might not scale to thousands of installs a month, but it works for hundreds a POP. A POP is about $15k for 200+ connections completely contained and redundant. The end points and fiber construction are on top of that of course. That is the major expense, the labor to bore and trench and splice hella ton of conduit, boxes and fiber strands. My entire GigE NID/ONT setup is less than $100 installed though. Buried conduit all the way to the side of the house, and fiber to the NID. It’s built to last, the conduit and fiber being our biggest expense and asset. Mikrotik “ONT” and off the shelf lasers from china for next to nothing. I haven’t seen any cheaper ONT setup than what we do, and it’s full GigE. The only piece of the puzzle I’m missing to do 10GigE to the home is a cheaper transceiver. I’m sure that will come next year. Sky’s the limit once the fiber is in the ground on a one to one basis with the switch and the ONT. We leave enough fiber to do a pair at the house, though everything is BIDI right now. I don’t believe in VoIP or TV, so it’s all Ethernet. The customer can get their traditional phone and TV elsewhere. Which is nice for regulations because we dodge every single headache I used to have with a WISP. This fiber stuff is s much better and easier. Costs more though. From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jason Pond via Af Sent: Saturday, October 11, 2014 8:03 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Fiber Weekend Wispalooza So enlighten us to what you are doing Sterling. So far so good. Tomorrow will answer some more. Sincerely, Jason Pond Owner Grizzly Internet, Inc p...@grizzlyinternet.com
Re: [AFMUG] Check out our TV add
Way cool. Damn near broke the needle off that speed test dial. Wow. PC Blaze Broadband From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Gino Villarini via Af Sent: Friday, October 10, 2014 9:52 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] Check out our TV add Its in spanish, but I think its great! Hope you like it https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UCb-sed-O18 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UCb-sed-O18feature=youtu.be feature=youtu.be Gino A. Villarini President Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. www.aeronetpr.com @aeronetpr
Re: [AFMUG] Introducing a new revenue opportunity for WISPs.
500ms? One way or round trip? PC Blaze Broadband On October 10, 2014 5:04:42 PM EDT, Kade Sullivan via Af af@afmug.com wrote: We've been deploying this and it's been as solid as it gets. We were against it from the start, but after evaluating it, we love it. Out of the 35 or so we have installed, I've had to return to less than 5 of them, and it's been after a very high winds storm to realign a couple reflectors. Since then they have redesigned the dish and I have not had to go back to any install since. I was right there with you guys and hated sat internet, but after using this, it's pretty amazing. Every install I get 20 meg on the speed tests, and the ping is pretty stable. Around 500ms, but the jitter is not very bad. They have voip that supposedly works pretty well. Not great for gamers, but works great for people that just want to browse the web, check email, use ebay, ect. It's been a blessing for us. I pretty much dont install 900mhz customers anymore. On Fri, Oct 10, 2014 at 3:50 PM, TJ Trout via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Exede is a whole new beast, like 20mbps per sub and the sat capacity is like 10TB or something crazy On Fri, Oct 10, 2014 at 12:39 PM, Chuck McCown via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Last time I checked, they were out of capacity in rural areas. *From:* Chris Wright via Af af@afmug.com *Sent:* Friday, October 10, 2014 1:35 PM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Introducing a new revenue opportunity for WISPs. Our converted-from-satellite-internet customers are extremely vocal about their disdain for satellite internet. A deal like this may bring in an extra few bucks; headaches, doubly so. Chris Wright Velociter Wireless http://www.velociter.net/ *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Jeff Ernst via Af *Sent:* Friday, October 10, 2014 12:21 PM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* [AFMUG] Introducing a new revenue opportunity for WISPs. [image: Exede and Convergence header- Helping WISPs cash in on unservicable customers] Introducing a Brand New Exede Reseller Program Created Specifically for WISPs Convergence Technologies and Exede are excited to announce a new partnership with a unique sales program designed specifically for WISPs. Learn how this program opens up new profit opportunities for WISPs by turning unserviceable customers into profitable new customers while also reducing gaps in coverage. ✓ Never say No to an unserviceable customer ✓ You own the customer ✓ Attractive service plans, margins, and pricing ✓ Easy installation ✓ Training provided ✓ Increase revenue and profits *Say goodbye to lost sales and profits. Say hello to the new ConVergence / Exede WISP reseller program.* Please join us at the booth for a live demonstration and detailed brochures to take home. *Convergence Technologies would like to offer you a promotion code for a $50.00 discount on Full Conference Passes to attend the show. The discount code is CTI204* *Please feel free to call us at 844.251.3583 844.251.3583 if you have any questions about this exciting opportunity* *Come see us at WISPAPALOOZA 2014!* [image: WISPAPALOOZA 2014 logo] [image: Exede Internet Logo] Visit us at Booth 306 [image: Convergence Logo] Visit us at Booth 401 *Jeff Ernst* Director of Sales and Marketing [image: ConVergence Technologies, Inc.] http://www.converge-tech.com/ Where Best of Class Technologies ConVerge ConVergence Technologies, Inc. 7956 Madison Street Burr Ridge, IL 60527 *tel* 312.205.2503 jer...@converge-tech.com
Re: [AFMUG] ObamaCare
What did people expect? Insurance companies are the house. They always make money. By accepting pre-existing conditions everyone else’s premiums go up. By definition. The only way health insurance can work is if it is universal (code for mandatory). Can’t have people who can do math, like Chuck, opting out. Or healthy people saying no. Everyone in. Everyone pays. Spreads out the costs. ObamaCare was never about controlling costs. It was about increasing coverage. More coverage costs more. Why are people surprised at this? If you want to control costs you have to redesign the way money flows. Our system of providers and insurance companies is *designed* to maximize heath costs. It is a positive feedback loop. What is needed is a single payer system, like Canada, where one paying party can have maximum leverage to minimize costs and who has limited ability to raise taxes. It is a proper (negative) feedback system that has inheritably more control. Canada, for the record, is not privatized health care like the VHA. In fact it is the opposite. The Government of Canada purchases all its healthcare from private entities, like Medicare. A fact yet to be discovered by the media in the USA. It is hard to understand why the Republican’s hate ObamaCare since it was mostly their idea. Well, other than ObamaCare was championed by Obama and I guess that is enough reason. The basic concept to use the free market and let industry to its thing is normally what Republican’s want. Not to mention its inherent ability to make more money for insurance companies and private industry. Sure, they are upset that it is being used as a wealth distribution system that makes people with money pay more and people without pay less. Ok, so that is two reasons they hate it. The mistake made, was not implementing a single payer system simultaneously with universal coverage. The CBO calculated the saving from the former would pay for the later resulting in no increase in out-of-pocket costs. Then the other benefits of such a privatized system would start to kick in and the open market competition for services will drive costs down. With health care general health would improve and costs would go down even more. Unfortunately the Government is dysfunctional and has zero chance of overcoming the trillions of dollars companies are making off of the existing out of control health care system. And if they could pass the laws, would anyone trust our Government to run such a program? And there is the root problem. Obviously an over simplification but now back to my real job. PC Blaze Broadband From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Rory Conaway via Af Sent: Thursday, October 9, 2014 12:33 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ObamaCare People with pre-existing conditions are one of the few groups benefitting from this. Rory From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jeremy via Af Sent: Wednesday, October 08, 2014 7:32 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ObamaCare We pay about the same as we did but our deductible is lower, our out of pocket max is lower, and they covered our pregnancy. We switched during the first trimester because we didn't have maternity coverage (no self-insured plans in our state had it), and Obamacare made pregnancy not count as a pre-existing condition. It saved us about $7,000-$8,000 this year. The craziest part is that we actually stayed with the same provider, Select Health (IHC). It was just the difference between them providing maternity and not providing maternity. We have been very happy with our Obamacare. On Wed, Oct 8, 2014 at 6:50 PM, Glen Waldrop via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Further the subsidies have been deemed unconstitutional, so they're forcing us to pay insurance with the promise of subsidies that they are now going to take away. Bait and switch. The whole thing has been a screwup from day one. It is actually cheaper for me to pay out of pocket than pay for this insurance, but the fines will get you either way. - Original Message - From: Rory Conaway via Af mailto:af@afmug.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: Wednesday, October 08, 2014 7:03 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ObamaCare And so did the quality and options of your care. I know that 2 of my doctors retired early and the other one doesn’t take Obamacare. Fortunately I don’t have to use it. Here is my question though, doesn’t the fact that the federal government wasted a couple billion dollars of your taxes on websites that don’t work, companies that are paying workers to do nothing, and companies that are friends with the First Lady with no bid process in place? Rory From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Sean Heskett via Af Sent: Wednesday, October 08, 2014 5:00 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ObamaCare Please don't forget
Re: [AFMUG] 900 MHz Survey - Request for Info
Done. Long live 900 PC Blaze Broadband From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jon Paul Kelley via Af Sent: Monday, October 6, 2014 11:46 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 900 MHz Survey - Request for Info DONE! From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Matt Mangriotis via Af Sent: Monday, October 06, 2014 9:57 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] 900 MHz Survey - Request for Info As some of you may already be aware, we are conducting some inquiries surrounding the 900 MHz band in order to properly address concerns in using this band, and help provide us the information needed to develop the product that you need to deliver service to your customers. The survey is just over 20 questions, and is located here: https://www.surveymonkey.com/s/XNS38W6 Please help us help you! Any information we gather will help us to make sure we're developing the right product for your needs, and this info will not be used for any commercial or solicitation purposes. It's optional to fill in the contact info at the end, but I encourage you to do so, in case further exploration of a few of the responses could help even more. The survey will stay open for about 2 weeks, so try to get to it soon. Let me know if you have any questions or problems accessing the survey. Thanks, Matt Mangriotis Senior Product Manager Cambium Networks 3800 Golf Road, Suite 360 Rolling Meadows, IL 60008 www.cambiumnetworks.com O: 847-439-6379 M: 630-308-9394 E: m...@cambiumnetworks.com CN_logo_horizontal_blueIcon_blackName
Re: [AFMUG] 900 MHz Survey - Request for Info
Channel flexibility is going to be key for the 900 band. Some want smaller channels to avoid noise. Some want larger for more throughput. We want both. Ability to move those channels around will be necessary. Separate channels for Tx and Rx would be really helpful in some cases. PC Blaze Broadband From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown via Af Sent: Monday, October 6, 2014 2:25 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 900 MHz Survey - Request for Info How about one wide channel that takes up the whole band. Then you could get 430 type of throughput. Be great for areas with 50 customers that can all be served from one AP. From: That One Guy via Af mailto:af@afmug.com Sent: Monday, October 06, 2014 12:13 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 900 MHz Survey - Request for Info smaller channels, higher throughput ala UBNT, and unicorn farts On Mon, Oct 6, 2014 at 1:10 PM, Adam Moffett via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Survey doneI'm going to address a question you didn't ask in the survey: There are two things I hate about 900mhz: First is the lower capacity, and a lot of the survey questions were pertinent to that. The second is there is a ton of interference and that makes it unreliable. I think it would be nice if a product could deliver higher capacity in 900mhz, but I also think it would be nice if we could get some rock solid IP connectivity without line of sight, even if it was at a low speed. I won't presume to tell Cambium how to do that, but maybe your next product could have an option for very small channels, or FHSS, or maybe tx and rx on different channels so I can avoid listening on a noisy channel at the tower but still transmit on it. I'd love to have more options in the toolbox to make a NLOS link keep on chugging along for telemetry, or remote desktop, or a single camera, or whatever. As some of you may already be aware, we are conducting some inquiries surrounding the 900 MHz band in order to properly address concerns in using this band, and help provide us the information needed to develop the product that you need to deliver service to your customers. The survey is just over 20 questions, and is located here: https://www.surveymonkey.com/s/XNS38W6 Please help us help you! Any information we gather will help us to make sure we’re developing the right product for your needs, and this info will not be used for any commercial or solicitation purposes. It’s optional to fill in the contact info at the end, but I encourage you to do so, in case further exploration of a few of the responses could help even more. The survey will stay open for about 2 weeks, so try to get to it soon. Let me know if you have any questions or problems accessing the survey. Thanks, Matt Mangriotis Senior Product Manager Cambium Networks 3800 Golf Road, Suite 360 Rolling Meadows, IL 60008 www.cambiumnetworks.com O: 847-439-6379 M: 630-308-9394 E: m...@cambiumnetworks.com CN_logo_horizontal_blueIcon_blackName wlmailhtml:%7bEC20E6CA-7165-44FF-BCF8-0ED421C96272%7dmid://6908/!cid:part4.06080906.09020209@plexicomm.net -- All parts should go together without forcing. You must remember that the parts you are reassembling were disassembled by you. Therefore, if you can't get them together again, there must be a reason. By all means, do not use a hammer. -- IBM maintenance manual, 1925
Re: [AFMUG] Dear Cambium
We also can't live without 900. It is not dead. Small cells are key. It is better for the customer than Exede. Try doing remote desktop over a VPN on Exede. Many companies will not allow their employees to telecommute without a VPN. PC Blaze Broadband -Original Message- From: Af [mailto:af-bounces+pconlin=blazebroadband@afmug.com] On Behalf Of George Skorup (Cyber Broadcasting) via Af Sent: Friday, September 19, 2014 6:43 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Dear Cambium Something is still messed up with the list text/HTML thing. I hit reply to this message and TB quoted only what's below. Anyway I agree. As much as I hate it, we can't live without 900. We are doing everything we can to get customers on LOS, but the 900 is there as a last resort and is the only viable solution. We put up used (good condition) Rohn 25 for customers and charge them 10 or so % over cost + labor just to get them on LOS. It's very time consuming. The problem I see with 900 MIMO/450 is replacing literally over a thousand antennas, customers and towers. We made a substantial investment in LMG/Antel 900-360H omni antennas. I know, omnis are bad, but they work for small sites. Problem is, we quickly outgrew most of the small sites, so we made yet another investment in sectorizing with at least 4x90's. To replace all of that now would be... no, just no. Besides the antenna thing, V pol is trashed from all the SCADA and other crap so I see no point in trying to do MIMO in 900. 64-QAM SISO would be better than FSK. On 9/19/2014 4:34 PM, Christopher Tyler via Af wrote: I love the 450, 450 is awesome, but 90% of our subs are on 900 MHz, what do we do there, where is our upgrade path, what is the replacement for PMP100 in 900 MHz? We have no alternative to 900 for most of our customers where we are, too many hills and trees. We are still deploying 900 MHz radios in large quantities simply because we can't use anything else. Sure would be nice to have an easy way to configure those radios, we (Animal Farm) have only been asking for that feature for the last 8 years, not like they didn't know about it or have the time to figure it out. Now they are giving it to us, but only on a platform where we don't really need it yet. While I understand that PMP100 is somewhat antiquated, Cambium is still making money on it and will continue to make money on it, so why not give us at least some development beyond bug fixes at least until there is a 900 replacement? Why not a 450 in 900 MHz that's using the newer hardware but still only 2x modulation. We would literally buy thousands of them within the next year.
Re: [AFMUG] Dear Cambium
If you really want to know this Bill, why didn't you ask for it earlier? Why spring this on Cambium all of a sudden? Do you expect them to read your mind?! PC Blaze Broadband -Original Message- From: Af [mailto:af-bounces+pconlin=blazebroadband@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Bill Prince via Af Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2014 7:32 PM To: Motorola III Subject: [AFMUG] Dear Cambium Please let us know if: 1. The femtocell fix is in the pipe (or not) 2. There will be a trap on NAT table full, or at least an OID that shows the number of entries in the NAT table 3. As an alternative to #2, perhaps a way to limit the number of MAC addresses allowed behind an SM 4. A text-based configuration file 5. A do this timing that lets us just set an AP to match some other AP as closely as possible by specifying the appropriate frame dimensions (or maybe just the other APs IP address (now that would be cool) TNX -- bp
