Re: [AFMUG] 39ghz

[Jaime Solorza]

That's a pretty blanket statement...I did work in Bolivia over 10 years ago
and it wasn't the case.  Mexico's Cofetel and SCT have shut down and fined
illegal two way radio operators across the border from me.  We know there
are some WISPs in US that use 4.9GHz with their Mikrotik and Ubiquiti set
ups.  I shared a post of a local WISP using 2377MHz until FCC guys from
Dallas shut him down.

Jaime Solorza

On Mar 3, 2018 10:02 PM, "Rory Conaway" <r...@triadwireless.net> wrote:

> Many of those countries don’t give a crap who runs what.  You may need a
> license but for the most part, nobody is there to enforce it.
>
>
>
> Rory
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Jaime Solorza
> *Sent:* Saturday, March 3, 2018 8:41 PM
> *To:* Animal Farm
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] 39ghz
>
>
>
> Friend of mine bought 10 Brand New Stratex 38GHz for $1500.00 in an
> auction and sold them someone in Brazil.   Not sure if 39GHz is a popular
> band there. Might look at surplus resellers.
>
> Jaime Solorza
>
>
>
> On Mar 3, 2018 7:02 PM, "Jason McKemie" <j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com>
> wrote:
>
> Yeah, wouldn't be so bad if the equipment had any residual value, I'm not
> sure it does though.
>
>
>
> On Sat, Mar 3, 2018 at 11:31 AM, Seth Mattinen <se...@rollernet.us> wrote:
>
> On 3/3/18 01:00, Jason McKemie wrote:
>
> Yeah, I figured that is what they would do. Just rambling / complaining a
> bit.
>
>
>
> The whole thing was fishy with leases that can be canceled on a whim.
> Totally unsuitable for any serious deployment, it was just a spectrum grab
> and hope someone big would buy it.
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] 39ghz

[Rory Conaway]

Many of those countries don’t give a crap who runs what.  You may need a 
license but for the most part, nobody is there to enforce it.

Rory

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jaime Solorza
Sent: Saturday, March 3, 2018 8:41 PM
To: Animal Farm
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 39ghz

Friend of mine bought 10 Brand New Stratex 38GHz for $1500.00 in an auction and 
sold them someone in Brazil.   Not sure if 39GHz is a popular band there. Might 
look at surplus resellers.
Jaime Solorza

On Mar 3, 2018 7:02 PM, "Jason McKemie" 
<j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com<mailto:j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com>> 
wrote:
Yeah, wouldn't be so bad if the equipment had any residual value, I'm not sure 
it does though.

On Sat, Mar 3, 2018 at 11:31 AM, Seth Mattinen 
<se...@rollernet.us<mailto:se...@rollernet.us>> wrote:
On 3/3/18 01:00, Jason McKemie wrote:
Yeah, I figured that is what they would do. Just rambling / complaining a bit.


The whole thing was fishy with leases that can be canceled on a whim. Totally 
unsuitable for any serious deployment, it was just a spectrum grab and hope 
someone big would buy it.

Re: [AFMUG] 39ghz

[Jaime Solorza]

Friend of mine bought 10 Brand New Stratex 38GHz for $1500.00 in an auction
and sold them someone in Brazil.   Not sure if 39GHz is a popular band
there. Might look at surplus resellers.
Jaime Solorza

On Mar 3, 2018 7:02 PM, "Jason McKemie" 
wrote:

> Yeah, wouldn't be so bad if the equipment had any residual value, I'm not
> sure it does though.
>
> On Sat, Mar 3, 2018 at 11:31 AM, Seth Mattinen  wrote:
>
>> On 3/3/18 01:00, Jason McKemie wrote:
>>
>>> Yeah, I figured that is what they would do. Just rambling / complaining
>>> a bit.
>>>
>>
>>
>> The whole thing was fishy with leases that can be canceled on a whim.
>> Totally unsuitable for any serious deployment, it was just a spectrum grab
>> and hope someone big would buy it.
>>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] 39ghz

[Mathew Howard]

Well, it could come in handy if you ever decide to start an ISP in one of
those African countries...

On Sat, Mar 3, 2018 at 9:29 PM, Rory Conaway <r...@triadwireless.net> wrote:

> Not any more.
>
>
>
> Rory
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Jason McKemie
> *Sent:* Saturday, March 3, 2018 7:03 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] 39ghz
>
>
>
> Yeah, wouldn't be so bad if the equipment had any residual value, I'm not
> sure it does though.
>
>
>
> On Sat, Mar 3, 2018 at 11:31 AM, Seth Mattinen <se...@rollernet.us> wrote:
>
> On 3/3/18 01:00, Jason McKemie wrote:
>
> Yeah, I figured that is what they would do. Just rambling / complaining a
> bit.
>
>
>
> The whole thing was fishy with leases that can be canceled on a whim.
> Totally unsuitable for any serious deployment, it was just a spectrum grab
> and hope someone big would buy it.
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] 39ghz

[Rory Conaway]

Not any more.

Rory

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jason McKemie
Sent: Saturday, March 3, 2018 7:03 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 39ghz

Yeah, wouldn't be so bad if the equipment had any residual value, I'm not sure 
it does though.

On Sat, Mar 3, 2018 at 11:31 AM, Seth Mattinen 
<se...@rollernet.us<mailto:se...@rollernet.us>> wrote:
On 3/3/18 01:00, Jason McKemie wrote:
Yeah, I figured that is what they would do. Just rambling / complaining a bit.


The whole thing was fishy with leases that can be canceled on a whim. Totally 
unsuitable for any serious deployment, it was just a spectrum grab and hope 
someone big would buy it.

Re: [AFMUG] 39ghz

[Jason McKemie]

Yeah, wouldn't be so bad if the equipment had any residual value, I'm not
sure it does though.

On Sat, Mar 3, 2018 at 11:31 AM, Seth Mattinen  wrote:

> On 3/3/18 01:00, Jason McKemie wrote:
>
>> Yeah, I figured that is what they would do. Just rambling / complaining a
>> bit.
>>
>
>
> The whole thing was fishy with leases that can be canceled on a whim.
> Totally unsuitable for any serious deployment, it was just a spectrum grab
> and hope someone big would buy it.
>

Re: [AFMUG] 39ghz

[Seth Mattinen]

On 3/3/18 01:00, Jason McKemie wrote:
Yeah, I figured that is what they would do. Just rambling / complaining 
a bit.



The whole thing was fishy with leases that can be canceled on a whim. 
Totally unsuitable for any serious deployment, it was just a spectrum 
grab and hope someone big would buy it.

Re: [AFMUG] 39ghz

[Jason McKemie]

Yeah, I figured that is what they would do. Just rambling / complaining a
bit.

On Friday, March 2, 2018, Seth Mattinen  wrote:

> On 3/2/18 6:15 PM, Jason McKemie wrote:
>
>> Just got the letter today.  They say they're going to be using it for
>> their 5G deployment - they won't be using it for that anywhere near the
>> area I currently have the link deployed unless they've significantly
>> changed their business plan or have figured out how to circumvent the laws
>> of physics...
>>
>
>
> They're just blanket killing them all.
>

Re: [AFMUG] 39ghz

[Seth Mattinen]

On 3/2/18 6:15 PM, Jason McKemie wrote:
Just got the letter today.  They say they're going to be using it for 
their 5G deployment - they won't be using it for that anywhere near the 
area I currently have the link deployed unless they've significantly 
changed their business plan or have figured out how to circumvent the 
laws of physics...



They're just blanket killing them all.

Re: [AFMUG] 39ghz

[Jason McKemie]

Just got the letter today.  They say they're going to be using it for their
5G deployment - they won't be using it for that anywhere near the area I
currently have the link deployed unless they've significantly changed their
business plan or have figured out how to circumvent the laws of physics...

On Thu, Mar 1, 2018 at 8:17 PM, Darin Steffl 
wrote:

> Letter came via FedEx with required signature. You'll get it soon
>
> On Mar 1, 2018 6:48 PM, "Jason McKemie" 
> wrote:
>
>> I've got a similar setup, haven't received a letter as of yet though...
>>
>>
>> 
>>  Virus-free.
>> www.avast.com
>> 
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>>
>> On Thu, Mar 1, 2018 at 5:31 PM, Adam Moffett  wrote:
>>
>>> We participated in a program with Straight Path where we got a 39ghz
>>> Ceragon IP20.  I got a letter today that Verizon has purchased Straight
>>> Path and intends to use the 39ghz band from that acquisition to deploy 5G
>>> wireless, and they request we cease transmission by September 4th 2018.
>>>
>>> That's all fine and good, but it means I have an uncapped Ceragon IP20
>>> that won't be legal to operate anymore.  I'm trying to figure if there's
>>> anything I can do with it.  My first thought is maybe I can sell it
>>> overseas.  Is there a non-FCC market where 39ghz is used?
>>>
>>> -Adam
>>>
>>>
>>

Re: [AFMUG] 39ghz

[Adam Moffett]

Thanks, that's good intel.



-- Original Message --
From: "Eric Kuhnke" <eric.kuh...@gmail.com>
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: 3/1/2018 11:55:36 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 39ghz

There are a number of African countries where 39 GHz can be licensed 
same as any other PTP.


It could theoretically be licensed in Canada on special per-link 
permission basis, but given the short distances 39 GHz can go, you'd 
have to sell it to an operator that is in a small/remote city, needs 
short high capacity PTP links, and is willing to do the legwork with 
the Canadian feds.




On Thu, Mar 1, 2018 at 3:31 PM, Adam Moffett <dmmoff...@gmail.com> 
wrote:
We participated in a program with Straight Path where we got a 39ghz 
Ceragon IP20.  I got a letter today that Verizon has purchased 
Straight Path and intends to use the 39ghz band from that acquisition 
to deploy 5G wireless, and they request we cease transmission by 
September 4th 2018.


That's all fine and good, but it means I have an uncapped Ceragon IP20 
that won't be legal to operate anymore.  I'm trying to figure if 
there's anything I can do with it.  My first thought is maybe I can 
sell it overseas.  Is there a non-FCC market where 39ghz is used?


-Adam

Re: [AFMUG] 39ghz

[Adam Moffett]

That's at least 2 crimes you're advising me to commit :)
*I* know you're kidding, but some rando reading the archive is gonna 
think you're a villian.


-- Original Message --
From: "Chuck McCown" <ch...@wbmfg.com>
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: 3/2/2018 12:16:41 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 39ghz


Just keep operating it.  Claim to be a Verizon sub contractor...

From:Darin Steffl
Sent: Thursday, March 01, 2018 7:17 PM
To:af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 39ghz

Letter came via FedEx with required signature. You'll get it soon

On Mar 1, 2018 6:48 PM, "Jason McKemie" 
<j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com> wrote:
I've got a similar setup, haven't received a letter as of yet 
though...


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On Thu, Mar 1, 2018 at 5:31 PM, Adam Moffett <dmmoff...@gmail.com> 
wrote:
We participated in a program with Straight Path where we got a 39ghz 
Ceragon IP20.  I got a letter today that Verizon has purchased 
Straight Path and intends to use the 39ghz band from that acquisition 
to deploy 5G wireless, and they request we cease transmission by 
September 4th 2018.


That's all fine and good, but it means I have an uncapped Ceragon 
IP20 that won't be legal to operate anymore.  I'm trying to figure if 
there's anything I can do with it.  My first thought is maybe I can 
sell it overseas.  Is there a non-FCC market where 39ghz is used?


-Adam

Re: [AFMUG] 39ghz

[Chuck McCown]

Just keep operating it.  Claim to be a Verizon sub contractor...

From: Darin Steffl 
Sent: Thursday, March 01, 2018 7:17 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 39ghz

Letter came via FedEx with required signature. You'll get it soon 

On Mar 1, 2018 6:48 PM, "Jason McKemie" <j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com> 
wrote:

  I've got a similar setup, haven't received a letter as of yet though...

   Virus-free. www.avast.com  


  On Thu, Mar 1, 2018 at 5:31 PM, Adam Moffett <dmmoff...@gmail.com> wrote:

We participated in a program with Straight Path where we got a 39ghz 
Ceragon IP20.  I got a letter today that Verizon has purchased Straight Path 
and intends to use the 39ghz band from that acquisition to deploy 5G wireless, 
and they request we cease transmission by September 4th 2018. 

That's all fine and good, but it means I have an uncapped Ceragon IP20 that 
won't be legal to operate anymore.  I'm trying to figure if there's anything I 
can do with it.  My first thought is maybe I can sell it overseas.  Is there a 
non-FCC market where 39ghz is used?

-Adam

Re: [AFMUG] 39ghz

[Eric Kuhnke]

There are a number of African countries where 39 GHz can be licensed same
as any other PTP.

It could theoretically be licensed in Canada on special per-link permission
basis, but given the short distances 39 GHz can go, you'd have to sell it
to an operator that is in a small/remote city, needs short high capacity
PTP links, and is willing to do the legwork with the Canadian feds.



On Thu, Mar 1, 2018 at 3:31 PM, Adam Moffett  wrote:

> We participated in a program with Straight Path where we got a 39ghz
> Ceragon IP20.  I got a letter today that Verizon has purchased Straight
> Path and intends to use the 39ghz band from that acquisition to deploy 5G
> wireless, and they request we cease transmission by September 4th 2018.
>
> That's all fine and good, but it means I have an uncapped Ceragon IP20
> that won't be legal to operate anymore.  I'm trying to figure if there's
> anything I can do with it.  My first thought is maybe I can sell it
> overseas.  Is there a non-FCC market where 39ghz is used?
>
> -Adam
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] 39ghz

[Seth Mattinen]

On 3/1/18 3:31 PM, Adam Moffett wrote:


That's all fine and good, but it means I have an uncapped Ceragon IP20 
that won't be legal to operate anymore.  I'm trying to figure if there's 
anything I can do with it.  My first thought is maybe I can sell it 
overseas.  Is there a non-FCC market where 39ghz is used?





Air gap surge protector.

Re: [AFMUG] 39ghz

[Adam Moffett]

I'd have to look up the exact range of frequencies, but I'm sure it 
doesn't go that low.



-- Original Message --
From: "Adair Winter" <ada...@amarillowireless.net>
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: 3/1/2018 7:43:28 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 39ghz

My thought was, is it possible to use it in any other freq range? Down 
to 23Ghz maybe?


On Thu, Mar 1, 2018 at 5:31 PM, Adam Moffett <dmmoff...@gmail.com> 
wrote:
We participated in a program with Straight Path where we got a 39ghz 
Ceragon IP20.  I got a letter today that Verizon has purchased 
Straight Path and intends to use the 39ghz band from that acquisition 
to deploy 5G wireless, and they request we cease transmission by 
September 4th 2018.


That's all fine and good, but it means I have an uncapped Ceragon IP20 
that won't be legal to operate anymore.  I'm trying to figure if 
there's anything I can do with it.  My first thought is maybe I can 
sell it overseas.  Is there a non-FCC market where 39ghz is used?


-Adam





--
Adair Winter
VP, Network Operations / Co-Owner
Amarillo Wireless | 806.316.5071
C: 806.231.7180
http://www.amarillowireless.net <http://www.amarillowireless.net/>

Re: [AFMUG] 39ghz

[Rory Conaway]

Not with their equipment.

Rory

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jason McKemie
Sent: Thursday, March 1, 2018 5:49 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 39ghz

I've got a similar setup, haven't received a letter as of yet though...

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On Thu, Mar 1, 2018 at 5:31 PM, Adam Moffett 
<dmmoff...@gmail.com<mailto:dmmoff...@gmail.com>> wrote:
We participated in a program with Straight Path where we got a 39ghz Ceragon 
IP20.  I got a letter today that Verizon has purchased Straight Path and 
intends to use the 39ghz band from that acquisition to deploy 5G wireless, and 
they request we cease transmission by September 4th 2018.

That's all fine and good, but it means I have an uncapped Ceragon IP20 that 
won't be legal to operate anymore.  I'm trying to figure if there's anything I 
can do with it.  My first thought is maybe I can sell it overseas.  Is there a 
non-FCC market where 39ghz is used?

-Adam

Re: [AFMUG] 39ghz

[Darin Steffl]

Letter came via FedEx with required signature. You'll get it soon

On Mar 1, 2018 6:48 PM, "Jason McKemie" 
wrote:

> I've got a similar setup, haven't received a letter as of yet though...
>
>
> 
>  Virus-free.
> www.avast.com
> 
> <#m_3002860893322560380_DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2>
>
> On Thu, Mar 1, 2018 at 5:31 PM, Adam Moffett  wrote:
>
>> We participated in a program with Straight Path where we got a 39ghz
>> Ceragon IP20.  I got a letter today that Verizon has purchased Straight
>> Path and intends to use the 39ghz band from that acquisition to deploy 5G
>> wireless, and they request we cease transmission by September 4th 2018.
>>
>> That's all fine and good, but it means I have an uncapped Ceragon IP20
>> that won't be legal to operate anymore.  I'm trying to figure if there's
>> anything I can do with it.  My first thought is maybe I can sell it
>> overseas.  Is there a non-FCC market where 39ghz is used?
>>
>> -Adam
>>
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] 39ghz

[Darin Steffl]

We'd need someone to reach out to ceragon and find out if it's possible to
use it in another band. I know the radios were special made for straight
path.

On Mar 1, 2018 6:43 PM, "Adair Winter"  wrote:

> My thought was, is it possible to use it in any other freq range? Down to
> 23Ghz maybe?
>
> On Thu, Mar 1, 2018 at 5:31 PM, Adam Moffett  wrote:
>
>> We participated in a program with Straight Path where we got a 39ghz
>> Ceragon IP20.  I got a letter today that Verizon has purchased Straight
>> Path and intends to use the 39ghz band from that acquisition to deploy 5G
>> wireless, and they request we cease transmission by September 4th 2018.
>>
>> That's all fine and good, but it means I have an uncapped Ceragon IP20
>> that won't be legal to operate anymore.  I'm trying to figure if there's
>> anything I can do with it.  My first thought is maybe I can sell it
>> overseas.  Is there a non-FCC market where 39ghz is used?
>>
>> -Adam
>>
>>
>
>
> --
>
> Adair Winter
> VP, Network Operations / Co-Owner
> Amarillo Wireless | 806.316.5071 <(806)%20316-5071>
> C: 806.231.7180 <(806)%20231-7180>
> http://www.amarillowireless.net
> 
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] 39ghz

[Jason McKemie]

I've got a similar setup, haven't received a letter as of yet though...


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On Thu, Mar 1, 2018 at 5:31 PM, Adam Moffett  wrote:

> We participated in a program with Straight Path where we got a 39ghz
> Ceragon IP20.  I got a letter today that Verizon has purchased Straight
> Path and intends to use the 39ghz band from that acquisition to deploy 5G
> wireless, and they request we cease transmission by September 4th 2018.
>
> That's all fine and good, but it means I have an uncapped Ceragon IP20
> that won't be legal to operate anymore.  I'm trying to figure if there's
> anything I can do with it.  My first thought is maybe I can sell it
> overseas.  Is there a non-FCC market where 39ghz is used?
>
> -Adam
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] 39ghz

[Adair Winter]

My thought was, is it possible to use it in any other freq range? Down to
23Ghz maybe?

On Thu, Mar 1, 2018 at 5:31 PM, Adam Moffett  wrote:

> We participated in a program with Straight Path where we got a 39ghz
> Ceragon IP20.  I got a letter today that Verizon has purchased Straight
> Path and intends to use the 39ghz band from that acquisition to deploy 5G
> wireless, and they request we cease transmission by September 4th 2018.
>
> That's all fine and good, but it means I have an uncapped Ceragon IP20
> that won't be legal to operate anymore.  I'm trying to figure if there's
> anything I can do with it.  My first thought is maybe I can sell it
> overseas.  Is there a non-FCC market where 39ghz is used?
>
> -Adam
>
>


-- 

Adair Winter
VP, Network Operations / Co-Owner
Amarillo Wireless | 806.316.5071
C: 806.231.7180
http://www.amarillowireless.net

[AFMUG] 39ghz

[Adam Moffett]

We participated in a program with Straight Path where we got a 39ghz 
Ceragon IP20.  I got a letter today that Verizon has purchased Straight 
Path and intends to use the 39ghz band from that acquisition to deploy 
5G wireless, and they request we cease transmission by September 4th 
2018.


That's all fine and good, but it means I have an uncapped Ceragon IP20 
that won't be legal to operate anymore.  I'm trying to figure if there's 
anything I can do with it.  My first thought is maybe I can sell it 
overseas.  Is there a non-FCC market where 39ghz is used?


-Adam