Re: [AFMUG] Custom fiber cable?
Like this? http://ce.superioressex.com/uploadedFiles/docs/pdf/misc/das-hybrid-flyer.pdf I just saw a Ad for it on the second page of OSP magazine (which is free and full of interesting Ads). On Sat, Oct 18, 2014 at 1:02 AM, timothy steele via Af af@afmug.com wrote: I'm sure you have all seen the coax cable exeed uses with the extra copper on outside of jacked for power.. Dose anyone one know is it's possible to order fiber with 2 copper wires on out side of jacket in its own jacket? — Sent from Mailbox https://www.dropbox.com/mailbox
Re: [AFMUG] Custom fiber cable?
Yeah, ads and big telco propaganda. On Tuesday, October 21, 2014, Jon Auer via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Like this? http://ce.superioressex.com/uploadedFiles/docs/pdf/misc/das-hybrid-flyer.pdf I just saw a Ad for it on the second page of OSP magazine (which is free and full of interesting Ads). On Sat, Oct 18, 2014 at 1:02 AM, timothy steele via Af af@afmug.com javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','af@afmug.com'); wrote: I'm sure you have all seen the coax cable exeed uses with the extra copper on outside of jacked for power.. Dose anyone one know is it's possible to order fiber with 2 copper wires on out side of jacket in its own jacket? — Sent from Mailbox https://www.dropbox.com/mailbox
Re: [AFMUG] Custom fiber cable?
Never seen stainless threads on custom fiber cables. Copper is too soft to be used for nuts. You are thinking of silicon-bronze—we use them on all stainless on towers. Cheapest solution is anti-seize from any auto parts store on the stainless-to-stainless threads and they will never seize. Really messy—stains you fingers and never comes out of your clothes, however. In pinch, like when you at the top of the tower and realize you forgot to upgrade to silicon-bronze nuts, any lubricant will do. Spit on the threads if you have to. Then go really slow so you don’t generate heat. PC Blaze Broadband From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of TJ Trout via Af Sent: Monday, October 20, 2014 1:11 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Custom fiber cable? Just buy some copper nuts like cyclones On Oct 19, 2014 7:58 PM, Glen Waldrop via Af af@afmug.com wrote: What he said. Just had a tower fall. Stainless steel bolts were still seized on the sectors. Probably the only parts that were still together after the fall. We needed to adjust the downtilt later, but we didn't know how bad stainless locked up when we installed them. - Original Message - From: George Skorup (Cyber Broadcasting) via Af af@afmug.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: Sunday, October 19, 2014 9:22 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Custom fiber cable? There are no beans to spill, it's still just the 450. Now what would be great is if Cambium could get with Laird and tell them stop using stainless nuts on stainless bolts. The next time I find one of those MFer's seized up, I'm going to drive it out into a field and give it a couple rounds of 45ACP. I'm talking about the sector mast clamp bolts and nuts. We had to move some sectors around and every single nut was seized onto their bolts. Please for the love of god just make everything galvanized. On 10/19/2014 8:55 PM, TJ Trout via Af wrote: Gino, spill the 455 beans
Re: [AFMUG] Custom fiber cable?
bada boom! bp On 10/20/2014 8:25 AM, Chuck McCown via Af wrote: So I guess it could get cold enough to freeze the silicon bronze nuts off of a sector. *From:* Bill Prince via Af mailto:af@afmug.com *Sent:* Monday, October 20, 2014 9:21 AM *To:* af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Custom fiber cable? Those are silicon bronze nuts bp On 10/19/2014 10:10 PM, TJ Trout via Af wrote: Just buy some copper nuts like cyclones On Oct 19, 2014 7:58 PM, Glen Waldrop via Af af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com wrote: What he said. Just had a tower fall. Stainless steel bolts were still seized on the sectors. Probably the only parts that were still together after the fall. We needed to adjust the downtilt later, but we didn't know how bad stainless locked up when we installed them. - Original Message - From: George Skorup (Cyber Broadcasting) via Af af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com To: af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com Sent: Sunday, October 19, 2014 9:22 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Custom fiber cable? There are no beans to spill, it's still just the 450. Now what would be great is if Cambium could get with Laird and tell them stop using stainless nuts on stainless bolts. The next time I find one of those MFer's seized up, I'm going to drive it out into a field and give it a couple rounds of 45ACP. I'm talking about the sector mast clamp bolts and nuts. We had to move some sectors around and every single nut was seized onto their bolts. Please for the love of god just make everything galvanized. On 10/19/2014 8:55 PM, TJ Trout via Af wrote: Gino, spill the 455 beans
Re: [AFMUG] Custom fiber cable?
This should not be a problem on a f$^%ing $500 antenna. And I'm not blaming Cambium, this is Laird, but Cambium needs to do something about it since it is their OEM antenna. On 10/20/2014 12:10 AM, TJ Trout via Af wrote: Just buy some copper nuts like cyclones On Oct 19, 2014 7:58 PM, Glen Waldrop via Af af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com wrote: What he said. Just had a tower fall. Stainless steel bolts were still seized on the sectors. Probably the only parts that were still together after the fall. We needed to adjust the downtilt later, but we didn't know how bad stainless locked up when we installed them. - Original Message - From: George Skorup (Cyber Broadcasting) via Af af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com To: af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com Sent: Sunday, October 19, 2014 9:22 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Custom fiber cable? There are no beans to spill, it's still just the 450. Now what would be great is if Cambium could get with Laird and tell them stop using stainless nuts on stainless bolts. The next time I find one of those MFer's seized up, I'm going to drive it out into a field and give it a couple rounds of 45ACP. I'm talking about the sector mast clamp bolts and nuts. We had to move some sectors around and every single nut was seized onto their bolts. Please for the love of god just make everything galvanized. On 10/19/2014 8:55 PM, TJ Trout via Af wrote: Gino, spill the 455 beans
Re: [AFMUG] Custom fiber cable?
I've been beating this drum for a while. Mikrotik is the only one that does. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Jason McKemie via Af af@afmug.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: Saturday, October 18, 2014 8:08:05 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Custom fiber cable? It's going to have to happen the other way around, radio manufacturers are going to have to start making APs with SFP cages and then you might start seeing lower cost options when it comes to hybrid cable. On Saturday, October 18, 2014, timothy steele via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Everything is pricy to begin with but after the demand is there price will go down just think of all the ways it would change the wisp industry No longer having to deal with cable interference on towers You can now link 450 radios 1000ft from farm house where you have line of sight It will allow manufactors to use fiber on AP's instead of Ethernet and get its power from the power wires It fixes soo many issues I really think this is a cable that needs to be made — Sent from Mailbox On Sat, Oct 18, 2014 at 4:59 PM, Jason McKemie via Af af@afmug.com wrote: blockquote It's certainly possible, you just might not like the price. On Saturday, October 18, 2014, timothy steele via Af af@afmug.com wrote: blockquote I'm sure you have all seen the coax cable exeed uses with the extra copper on outside of jacked for power.. Dose anyone one know is it's possible to order fiber with 2 copper wires on out side of jacket in its own jacket? — Sent from Mailbox /blockquote /blockquote
Re: [AFMUG] Custom fiber cable?
Mike do you know if th new cambium 455 has them? Gino A. Villarini @gvillarini On Oct 19, 2014, at 10:30 AM, Mike Hammett via Af af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com wrote: I've been beating this drum for a while. Mikrotik is the only one that does. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com From: Jason McKemie via Af af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com Sent: Saturday, October 18, 2014 8:08:05 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Custom fiber cable? It's going to have to happen the other way around, radio manufacturers are going to have to start making APs with SFP cages and then you might start seeing lower cost options when it comes to hybrid cable. On Saturday, October 18, 2014, timothy steele via Af af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com wrote: Everything is pricy to begin with but after the demand is there price will go down just think of all the ways it would change the wisp industry No longer having to deal with cable interference on towers You can now link 450 radios 1000ft from farm house where you have line of sight It will allow manufactors to use fiber on AP's instead of Ethernet and get its power from the power wires It fixes soo many issues I really think this is a cable that needs to be made — Sent from Mailboxhttps://www.dropbox.com/mailbox On Sat, Oct 18, 2014 at 4:59 PM, Jason McKemie via Af af@afmug.com wrote: It's certainly possible, you just might not like the price. On Saturday, October 18, 2014, timothy steele via Af af@afmug.com wrote: I'm sure you have all seen the coax cable exeed uses with the extra copper on outside of jacked for power.. Dose anyone one know is it's possible to order fiber with 2 copper wires on out side of jacket in its own jacket? — Sent from Mailboxhttps://www.dropbox.com/mailbox
Re: [AFMUG] Custom fiber cable?
They are setup with ruggedized and weather proof connectors too...We actually got to see them at a UPS Logistics warehouse for Sprint...along with a lot of other things. Regards, Chuck On Sun, Oct 19, 2014 at 12:18 AM, timothy steele via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Got a fusion splicer so that would work way more pricey then I expected though — Sent from Mailbox https://www.dropbox.com/mailbox On Sat, Oct 18, 2014 at 6:49 PM, Chuck Hogg via Af af@afmug.com wrote: So I found out through my Commscope friend that only supplies ATT (lush job), he told me that they are all custom built to order, the price is typically about $5-8/ft depending on size of the copper wire or depending on the amount of fiber. He told me that they don't usually sell it the way we would want it, unterminated, a big roll, etc. Regards, Chuck On Sat, Oct 18, 2014 at 9:08 PM, Jason McKemie via Af af@afmug.com wrote: It's going to have to happen the other way around, radio manufacturers are going to have to start making APs with SFP cages and then you might start seeing lower cost options when it comes to hybrid cable. On Saturday, October 18, 2014, timothy steele via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Everything is pricy to begin with but after the demand is there price will go down just think of all the ways it would change the wisp industry No longer having to deal with cable interference on towers You can now link 450 radios 1000ft from farm house where you have line of sight It will allow manufactors to use fiber on AP's instead of Ethernet and get its power from the power wires It fixes soo many issues I really think this is a cable that needs to be made — Sent from Mailbox https://www.dropbox.com/mailbox On Sat, Oct 18, 2014 at 4:59 PM, Jason McKemie via Af af@afmug.com wrote: It's certainly possible, you just might not like the price. On Saturday, October 18, 2014, timothy steele via Af af@afmug.com wrote: I'm sure you have all seen the coax cable exeed uses with the extra copper on outside of jacked for power.. Dose anyone one know is it's possible to order fiber with 2 copper wires on out side of jacket in its own jacket? — Sent from Mailbox https://www.dropbox.com/mailbox
Re: [AFMUG] Custom fiber cable?
Gino, spill the 455 beans On Sun, Oct 19, 2014 at 5:16 PM, Chuck Hogg via Af af@afmug.com wrote: They are setup with ruggedized and weather proof connectors too...We actually got to see them at a UPS Logistics warehouse for Sprint...along with a lot of other things. Regards, Chuck On Sun, Oct 19, 2014 at 12:18 AM, timothy steele via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Got a fusion splicer so that would work way more pricey then I expected though — Sent from Mailbox https://www.dropbox.com/mailbox On Sat, Oct 18, 2014 at 6:49 PM, Chuck Hogg via Af af@afmug.com wrote: So I found out through my Commscope friend that only supplies ATT (lush job), he told me that they are all custom built to order, the price is typically about $5-8/ft depending on size of the copper wire or depending on the amount of fiber. He told me that they don't usually sell it the way we would want it, unterminated, a big roll, etc. Regards, Chuck On Sat, Oct 18, 2014 at 9:08 PM, Jason McKemie via Af af@afmug.com wrote: It's going to have to happen the other way around, radio manufacturers are going to have to start making APs with SFP cages and then you might start seeing lower cost options when it comes to hybrid cable. On Saturday, October 18, 2014, timothy steele via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Everything is pricy to begin with but after the demand is there price will go down just think of all the ways it would change the wisp industry No longer having to deal with cable interference on towers You can now link 450 radios 1000ft from farm house where you have line of sight It will allow manufactors to use fiber on AP's instead of Ethernet and get its power from the power wires It fixes soo many issues I really think this is a cable that needs to be made — Sent from Mailbox https://www.dropbox.com/mailbox On Sat, Oct 18, 2014 at 4:59 PM, Jason McKemie via Af af@afmug.com wrote: It's certainly possible, you just might not like the price. On Saturday, October 18, 2014, timothy steele via Af af@afmug.com wrote: I'm sure you have all seen the coax cable exeed uses with the extra copper on outside of jacked for power.. Dose anyone one know is it's possible to order fiber with 2 copper wires on out side of jacket in its own jacket? — Sent from Mailbox https://www.dropbox.com/mailbox
Re: [AFMUG] Custom fiber cable?
There are no beans to spill, it's still just the 450. Now what would be great is if Cambium could get with Laird and tell them stop using stainless nuts on stainless bolts. The next time I find one of those MFer's seized up, I'm going to drive it out into a field and give it a couple rounds of 45ACP. I'm talking about the sector mast clamp bolts and nuts. We had to move some sectors around and every single nut was seized onto their bolts. Please for the love of god just make everything galvanized. On 10/19/2014 8:55 PM, TJ Trout via Af wrote: Gino, spill the 455 beans
Re: [AFMUG] Custom fiber cable?
What he said. Just had a tower fall. Stainless steel bolts were still seized on the sectors. Probably the only parts that were still together after the fall. We needed to adjust the downtilt later, but we didn't know how bad stainless locked up when we installed them. - Original Message - From: George Skorup (Cyber Broadcasting) via Af af@afmug.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: Sunday, October 19, 2014 9:22 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Custom fiber cable? There are no beans to spill, it's still just the 450. Now what would be great is if Cambium could get with Laird and tell them stop using stainless nuts on stainless bolts. The next time I find one of those MFer's seized up, I'm going to drive it out into a field and give it a couple rounds of 45ACP. I'm talking about the sector mast clamp bolts and nuts. We had to move some sectors around and every single nut was seized onto their bolts. Please for the love of god just make everything galvanized. On 10/19/2014 8:55 PM, TJ Trout via Af wrote: Gino, spill the 455 beans
[AFMUG] Custom fiber cable?
I'm sure you have all seen the coax cable exeed uses with the extra copper on outside of jacked for power.. Dose anyone one know is it's possible to order fiber with 2 copper wires on out side of jacket in its own jacket? — Sent from Mailbox
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Here is a link to the coax cable with power wires I'm taking about that I want done on fiber — Sent from Mailbox On Fri, Oct 17, 2014 at 11:02 PM, timothy steele via Af af@afmug.com wrote: I'm sure you have all seen the coax cable exeed uses with the extra copper on outside of jacked for power.. Dose anyone one know is it's possible to order fiber with 2 copper wires on out side of jacket in its own jacket? — Sent from Mailbox
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Forgot to attach link.. http://m.grainger.com/mobile/product/CAROL-Coaxial-And-Power-Cable-1ATG8 — Sent from Mailbox On Fri, Oct 17, 2014 at 11:02 PM, timothy steele via Af af@afmug.com wrote: I'm sure you have all seen the coax cable exeed uses with the extra copper on outside of jacked for power.. Dose anyone one know is it's possible to order fiber with 2 copper wires on out side of jacket in its own jacket? — Sent from Mailbox
Re: [AFMUG] Custom fiber cable?
Everything is pricy to begin with but after the demand is there price will go down just think of all the ways it would change the wisp industry No longer having to deal with cable interference on towers You can now link 450 radios 1000ft from farm house where you have line of sight It will allow manufactors to use fiber on AP's instead of Ethernet and get its power from the power wires It fixes soo many issues I really think this is a cable that needs to be made — Sent from Mailbox On Sat, Oct 18, 2014 at 4:59 PM, Jason McKemie via Af af@afmug.com wrote: It's certainly possible, you just might not like the price. On Saturday, October 18, 2014, timothy steele via Af af@afmug.com wrote: I'm sure you have all seen the coax cable exeed uses with the extra copper on outside of jacked for power.. Dose anyone one know is it's possible to order fiber with 2 copper wires on out side of jacket in its own jacket? — Sent from Mailbox https://www.dropbox.com/mailbox
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Running fiber and copper wire separately gets you the same function with lower cost. Having both in one cable is nice but are you will to pay extra to combine them? If so, companies are waiting for your order. Commscope and RFS are the players in this cable type for the Cellular carrier tower market. At the recent OSP show I talked with Dan Tomica at Cablecon and looked at a sample cable they had on display. He implied he is cheaper. I told him WISPs would like something like this. I think he said they could do a custom cable in as little a 5k ft but obviously the price would be lower per foot with a bigger order. So you need to decide what you want. SM? MM? How many strands? How many conductors? What gauge? Gel? Water block thread? Strength members? Jacket material? Armor? Let us know what price you get. Maybe you can put together a buying consortium. http://www.cablcon.com/pdf/088_Cablcon%20Bro_FibertoAntennaFTTAFTTx.pdf PC Blaze Broadband From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of timothy steele via Af Sent: Saturday, October 18, 2014 8:05 PM To: af@afmug.com Cc: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Custom fiber cable? Everything is pricy to begin with but after the demand is there price will go down just think of all the ways it would change the wisp industry No longer having to deal with cable interference on towers You can now link 450 radios 1000ft from farm house where you have line of sight It will allow manufactors to use fiber on AP's instead of Ethernet and get its power from the power wires It fixes soo many issues I really think this is a cable that needs to be made — Sent from Mailbox https://www.dropbox.com/mailbox On Sat, Oct 18, 2014 at 4:59 PM, Jason McKemie via Af af@afmug.com wrote: It's certainly possible, you just might not like the price. On Saturday, October 18, 2014, timothy steele via Af af@afmug.com wrote: I'm sure you have all seen the coax cable exeed uses with the extra copper on outside of jacked for power.. Dose anyone one know is it's possible to order fiber with 2 copper wires on out side of jacket in its own jacket? — Sent from Mailbox https://www.dropbox.com/mailbox
Re: [AFMUG] Custom fiber cable?
It's going to have to happen the other way around, radio manufacturers are going to have to start making APs with SFP cages and then you might start seeing lower cost options when it comes to hybrid cable. On Saturday, October 18, 2014, timothy steele via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Everything is pricy to begin with but after the demand is there price will go down just think of all the ways it would change the wisp industry No longer having to deal with cable interference on towers You can now link 450 radios 1000ft from farm house where you have line of sight It will allow manufactors to use fiber on AP's instead of Ethernet and get its power from the power wires It fixes soo many issues I really think this is a cable that needs to be made — Sent from Mailbox https://www.dropbox.com/mailbox On Sat, Oct 18, 2014 at 4:59 PM, Jason McKemie via Af af@afmug.com javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','af@afmug.com'); wrote: It's certainly possible, you just might not like the price. On Saturday, October 18, 2014, timothy steele via Af af@afmug.com javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','af@afmug.com'); wrote: I'm sure you have all seen the coax cable exeed uses with the extra copper on outside of jacked for power.. Dose anyone one know is it's possible to order fiber with 2 copper wires on out side of jacket in its own jacket? — Sent from Mailbox https://www.dropbox.com/mailbox
Re: [AFMUG] Custom fiber cable?
So I found out through my Commscope friend that only supplies ATT (lush job), he told me that they are all custom built to order, the price is typically about $5-8/ft depending on size of the copper wire or depending on the amount of fiber. He told me that they don't usually sell it the way we would want it, unterminated, a big roll, etc. Regards, Chuck On Sat, Oct 18, 2014 at 9:08 PM, Jason McKemie via Af af@afmug.com wrote: It's going to have to happen the other way around, radio manufacturers are going to have to start making APs with SFP cages and then you might start seeing lower cost options when it comes to hybrid cable. On Saturday, October 18, 2014, timothy steele via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Everything is pricy to begin with but after the demand is there price will go down just think of all the ways it would change the wisp industry No longer having to deal with cable interference on towers You can now link 450 radios 1000ft from farm house where you have line of sight It will allow manufactors to use fiber on AP's instead of Ethernet and get its power from the power wires It fixes soo many issues I really think this is a cable that needs to be made — Sent from Mailbox https://www.dropbox.com/mailbox On Sat, Oct 18, 2014 at 4:59 PM, Jason McKemie via Af af@afmug.com wrote: It's certainly possible, you just might not like the price. On Saturday, October 18, 2014, timothy steele via Af af@afmug.com wrote: I'm sure you have all seen the coax cable exeed uses with the extra copper on outside of jacked for power.. Dose anyone one know is it's possible to order fiber with 2 copper wires on out side of jacket in its own jacket? — Sent from Mailbox https://www.dropbox.com/mailbox
Re: [AFMUG] Custom fiber cable?
Got a fusion splicer so that would work way more pricey then I expected though — Sent from Mailbox On Sat, Oct 18, 2014 at 6:49 PM, Chuck Hogg via Af af@afmug.com wrote: So I found out through my Commscope friend that only supplies ATT (lush job), he told me that they are all custom built to order, the price is typically about $5-8/ft depending on size of the copper wire or depending on the amount of fiber. He told me that they don't usually sell it the way we would want it, unterminated, a big roll, etc. Regards, Chuck On Sat, Oct 18, 2014 at 9:08 PM, Jason McKemie via Af af@afmug.com wrote: It's going to have to happen the other way around, radio manufacturers are going to have to start making APs with SFP cages and then you might start seeing lower cost options when it comes to hybrid cable. On Saturday, October 18, 2014, timothy steele via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Everything is pricy to begin with but after the demand is there price will go down just think of all the ways it would change the wisp industry No longer having to deal with cable interference on towers You can now link 450 radios 1000ft from farm house where you have line of sight It will allow manufactors to use fiber on AP's instead of Ethernet and get its power from the power wires It fixes soo many issues I really think this is a cable that needs to be made — Sent from Mailbox https://www.dropbox.com/mailbox On Sat, Oct 18, 2014 at 4:59 PM, Jason McKemie via Af af@afmug.com wrote: It's certainly possible, you just might not like the price. On Saturday, October 18, 2014, timothy steele via Af af@afmug.com wrote: I'm sure you have all seen the coax cable exeed uses with the extra copper on outside of jacked for power.. Dose anyone one know is it's possible to order fiber with 2 copper wires on out side of jacket in its own jacket? — Sent from Mailbox https://www.dropbox.com/mailbox
