Re: [AFMUG] Gpon or 10g-pon sfp...when?
How does that compare to Extreme Networks x670? I'm looking at a project where four big switches are needed. If I can buy them from my friend in NZ, they're like $6k. They're about $12k here because I'm not some super platinum certified whatever like he is over there. 48x 10GigE and 4x 40GigE . Not exactly non-blocking on the uplink, but probably enough. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Gino Villarini via Af af@afmug.com To: af@afmug.com af@afmug.com Sent: Sunday, October 19, 2014 2:46:29 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Gpon or 10g-pon sfp...when? Force10 4810 48 10g ports Gino A. Villarini @gvillarini On Oct 19, 2014, at 3:40 PM, Jason McKemie via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Ah, my fiber enclosures all have either A/C or thermoelectric cooling, so I haven't worried too much about that. The non hardened planet still specs up to 122 degrees as well, and I believe the Occam blade that I have deployed is even higher. On Sunday, October 19, 2014, Louis Arsenault via Af af@afmug.com wrote: blockquote The 16 port one is hardened. We can expect it to survive better in a fan vented enclosure. All the other sfp switches I have found are pretty much for inside an air conditioned enclosure. -Louis On Oct 19, 2014 2:18 PM, Jason McKemie via Af af@afmug.com wrote: blockquote Planet has a switch with 24 SFP ports, or if you don't mind spending more per port there are a few companies out there that do 48 lasers in 1u using dual bidi SFPs (Calix being one option). Still not the density of GPON, but better than your example. On Sunday, October 19, 2014, Louis Arsenault via Af af@afmug.com wrote: blockquote Our reason for looking into it is heat and power. We may have 300+ customer coming into a single cabinet. We will be laying the fiber for active but if we can save on space by not needing 300+ sfp ports plus battery backup for all those switches. We are looking at the Planet switch which has 16 SFP ports. If we use GPON that is 16 SFP ports * 32 customers per port = 512 customers instead of only 16 customers per switch! To do active we would need 19 switches! -Louis On Sun, Oct 19, 2014 at 1:20 PM, Forrest Christian (List Account) via Af af@afmug.com wrote: To slightly hijack this. What is the fascination with gpon? From what I can tell, cabling a plant for active is dirt cheap and is future proof. Gpon isn't. On Oct 19, 2014 1:04 AM, TJ Trout via Af af@afmug.com wrote: How far away are we from seeing a gpon olt sfp module that would be mikrotik compatible? Would be nice to use a ccr 12s and be able to serve hundreds of customers. Seems like we aren't real close though ? -- -Louis NTInet O: 803-533-1660 X 207 C: 803-997-0004 /blockquote /blockquote /blockquote
[AFMUG] Gpon or 10g-pon sfp...when?
How far away are we from seeing a gpon olt sfp module that would be mikrotik compatible? Would be nice to use a ccr 12s and be able to serve hundreds of customers. Seems like we aren't real close though ?
Re: [AFMUG] Gpon or 10g-pon sfp...when?
Go AE Gino A. Villarini @gvillarini On Oct 19, 2014, at 3:05 AM, TJ Trout via Af af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com wrote: How far away are we from seeing a gpon olt sfp module that would be mikrotik compatible? Would be nice to use a ccr 12s and be able to serve hundreds of customers. Seems like we aren't real close though ?
Re: [AFMUG] Gpon or 10g-pon sfp...when?
GPON technology is not housed in the SFP module as that is only the laser and diodes. The timing smarts central to GPON is on the board. Not saying Mikrotik couldn’t do it just that it is not a compatibility with a plug-in thing. I don’t know if GPON has been boiled down to a chipset and reference design yet. If so, then it could happen but it still wouldn’t be a plug-in. 10G XGPON 1 and 2 is not likely to be popular until 2016 or so. And then it will still need considerable time to see the prices of the new lasers to come down far enough to make it cost effective for the ONT. So you have a long wait for that one. PC Blaze Broadband From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of TJ Trout via Af Sent: Sunday, October 19, 2014 3:04 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] Gpon or 10g-pon sfp...when? How far away are we from seeing a gpon olt sfp module that would be mikrotik compatible? Would be nice to use a ccr 12s and be able to serve hundreds of customers. Seems like we aren't real close though ?
Re: [AFMUG] Gpon or 10g-pon sfp...when?
Easier to do 10g bidirectional AE Gino A. Villarini @gvillarini On Oct 19, 2014, at 10:54 AM, Paul Conlin via Af af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com wrote: GPON technology is not housed in the SFP module as that is only the laser and diodes. The timing smarts central to GPON is on the board. Not saying Mikrotik couldn’t do it just that it is not a compatibility with a plug-in thing. I don’t know if GPON has been boiled down to a chipset and reference design yet. If so, then it could happen but it still wouldn’t be a plug-in. 10G XGPON 1 and 2 is not likely to be popular until 2016 or so. And then it will still need considerable time to see the prices of the new lasers to come down far enough to make it cost effective for the ONT. So you have a long wait for that one. PC Blaze Broadband From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of TJ Trout via Af Sent: Sunday, October 19, 2014 3:04 AM To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] Gpon or 10g-pon sfp...when? How far away are we from seeing a gpon olt sfp module that would be mikrotik compatible? Would be nice to use a ccr 12s and be able to serve hundreds of customers. Seems like we aren't real close though ?
Re: [AFMUG] Gpon or 10g-pon sfp...when?
There are actually multiple vendors selling SFP modules with built in EPON/GPON functionality that present themselves as a normal SFP module. I don't know of any for XGPON or any of the newer standards though. http://www.finisar.com/sites/default/files/pdf/FTGN2117P2CUN_FTGN2117P2TUN_GPON_Stick_Pluggable_SFP_ONU_Product_Brief_1_2014_V2.pdf http://www.sfp-xfp.com/products/gpon-stick.html http://www.dasannetworks.com/product_images/H640SFP_20140221220235.pdf Gerard On Sun, Oct 19, 2014 at 10:53 AM, Paul Conlin via Af af@afmug.com wrote: GPON technology is not housed in the SFP module as that is only the laser and diodes. The timing smarts central to GPON is on the board. Not saying Mikrotik couldn’t do it just that it is not a compatibility with a plug-in thing. I don’t know if GPON has been boiled down to a chipset and reference design yet. If so, then it could happen but it still wouldn’t be a plug-in. 10G XGPON 1 and 2 is not likely to be popular until 2016 or so. And then it will still need considerable time to see the prices of the new lasers to come down far enough to make it cost effective for the ONT. So you have a long wait for that one. PC Blaze Broadband *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *TJ Trout via Af *Sent:* Sunday, October 19, 2014 3:04 AM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* [AFMUG] Gpon or 10g-pon sfp...when? How far away are we from seeing a gpon olt sfp module that would be mikrotik compatible? Would be nice to use a ccr 12s and be able to serve hundreds of customers. Seems like we aren't real close though ?
Re: [AFMUG] Gpon or 10g-pon sfp...when?
Wow, I wonder if they have ap notes. From: Gerard Dupont III via Af Sent: Sunday, October 19, 2014 10:40 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Gpon or 10g-pon sfp...when? There are actually multiple vendors selling SFP modules with built in EPON/GPON functionality that present themselves as a normal SFP module. I don't know of any for XGPON or any of the newer standards though. http://www.finisar.com/sites/default/files/pdf/FTGN2117P2CUN_FTGN2117P2TUN_GPON_Stick_Pluggable_SFP_ONU_Product_Brief_1_2014_V2.pdf http://www.sfp-xfp.com/products/gpon-stick.html http://www.dasannetworks.com/product_images/H640SFP_20140221220235.pdf Gerard On Sun, Oct 19, 2014 at 10:53 AM, Paul Conlin via Af af@afmug.com wrote: GPON technology is not housed in the SFP module as that is only the laser and diodes. The timing smarts central to GPON is on the board. Not saying Mikrotik couldn’t do it just that it is not a compatibility with a plug-in thing. I don’t know if GPON has been boiled down to a chipset and reference design yet. If so, then it could happen but it still wouldn’t be a plug-in. 10G XGPON 1 and 2 is not likely to be popular until 2016 or so. And then it will still need considerable time to see the prices of the new lasers to come down far enough to make it cost effective for the ONT. So you have a long wait for that one. PC Blaze Broadband From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of TJ Trout via Af Sent: Sunday, October 19, 2014 3:04 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] Gpon or 10g-pon sfp...when? How far away are we from seeing a gpon olt sfp module that would be mikrotik compatible? Would be nice to use a ccr 12s and be able to serve hundreds of customers. Seems like we aren't real close though ?
Re: [AFMUG] Gpon or 10g-pon sfp...when?
+1 On Sunday, October 19, 2014, Gino Villarini via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Go AE Gino A. Villarini @gvillarini On Oct 19, 2014, at 3:05 AM, TJ Trout via Af af@afmug.com javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','af@afmug.com'); wrote: How far away are we from seeing a gpon olt sfp module that would be mikrotik compatible? Would be nice to use a ccr 12s and be able to serve hundreds of customers. Seems like we aren't real close though ?
Re: [AFMUG] Gpon or 10g-pon sfp...when?
Forrest, Actually the new PON's designs are doing CWDN over PON which is essentially AE just over individual waves to each sub vs. single fiber to each sub. So the technology is catching ETA was stated around 1 to 2 years before it is available. Sincerely, Jason Pond Grizzly Internet, Inc On Sun, Oct 19, 2014 at 11:20 AM, Forrest Christian (List Account) via Af af@afmug.com wrote: To slightly hijack this. What is the fascination with gpon? From what I can tell, cabling a plant for active is dirt cheap and is future proof. Gpon isn't. On Oct 19, 2014 1:04 AM, TJ Trout via Af af@afmug.com wrote: How far away are we from seeing a gpon olt sfp module that would be mikrotik compatible? Would be nice to use a ccr 12s and be able to serve hundreds of customers. Seems like we aren't real close though ?
Re: [AFMUG] Gpon or 10g-pon sfp...when?
Planet has a switch with 24 SFP ports, or if you don't mind spending more per port there are a few companies out there that do 48 lasers in 1u using dual bidi SFPs (Calix being one option). Still not the density of GPON, but better than your example. On Sunday, October 19, 2014, Louis Arsenault via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Our reason for looking into it is heat and power. We may have 300+ customer coming into a single cabinet. We will be laying the fiber for active but if we can save on space by not needing 300+ sfp ports plus battery backup for all those switches. We are looking at the Planet switch which has 16 SFP ports. If we use GPON that is 16 SFP ports * 32 customers per port = 512 customers instead of only 16 customers per switch! To do active we would need 19 switches! -Louis On Sun, Oct 19, 2014 at 1:20 PM, Forrest Christian (List Account) via Af af@afmug.com javascript:; wrote: To slightly hijack this. What is the fascination with gpon? From what I can tell, cabling a plant for active is dirt cheap and is future proof. Gpon isn't. On Oct 19, 2014 1:04 AM, TJ Trout via Af af@afmug.com javascript:; wrote: How far away are we from seeing a gpon olt sfp module that would be mikrotik compatible? Would be nice to use a ccr 12s and be able to serve hundreds of customers. Seems like we aren't real close though ? -- -Louis NTInet O: 803-533-1660 X 207 C: 803-997-0004
Re: [AFMUG] Gpon or 10g-pon sfp...when?
Ah, my fiber enclosures all have either A/C or thermoelectric cooling, so I haven't worried too much about that. The non hardened planet still specs up to 122 degrees as well, and I believe the Occam blade that I have deployed is even higher. On Sunday, October 19, 2014, Louis Arsenault via Af af@afmug.com wrote: The 16 port one is hardened. We can expect it to survive better in a fan vented enclosure. All the other sfp switches I have found are pretty much for inside an air conditioned enclosure. -Louis On Oct 19, 2014 2:18 PM, Jason McKemie via Af af@afmug.com javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','af@afmug.com'); wrote: Planet has a switch with 24 SFP ports, or if you don't mind spending more per port there are a few companies out there that do 48 lasers in 1u using dual bidi SFPs (Calix being one option). Still not the density of GPON, but better than your example. On Sunday, October 19, 2014, Louis Arsenault via Af af@afmug.com javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','af@afmug.com'); wrote: Our reason for looking into it is heat and power. We may have 300+ customer coming into a single cabinet. We will be laying the fiber for active but if we can save on space by not needing 300+ sfp ports plus battery backup for all those switches. We are looking at the Planet switch which has 16 SFP ports. If we use GPON that is 16 SFP ports * 32 customers per port = 512 customers instead of only 16 customers per switch! To do active we would need 19 switches! -Louis On Sun, Oct 19, 2014 at 1:20 PM, Forrest Christian (List Account) via Af af@afmug.com wrote: To slightly hijack this. What is the fascination with gpon? From what I can tell, cabling a plant for active is dirt cheap and is future proof. Gpon isn't. On Oct 19, 2014 1:04 AM, TJ Trout via Af af@afmug.com wrote: How far away are we from seeing a gpon olt sfp module that would be mikrotik compatible? Would be nice to use a ccr 12s and be able to serve hundreds of customers. Seems like we aren't real close though ? -- -Louis NTInet O: 803-533-1660 X 207 C: 803-997-0004
Re: [AFMUG] Gpon or 10g-pon sfp...when?
The mgsw-28240f is the same temp ratings as the mgsw-24160f but with 24 ports and 4x 10g ports. On Sunday, October 19, 2014, Louis Arsenault via Af af@afmug.com wrote: The 16 port one is hardened. We can expect it to survive better in a fan vented enclosure. All the other sfp switches I have found are pretty much for inside an air conditioned enclosure. -Louis On Oct 19, 2014 2:18 PM, Jason McKemie via Af af@afmug.com javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','af@afmug.com'); wrote: Planet has a switch with 24 SFP ports, or if you don't mind spending more per port there are a few companies out there that do 48 lasers in 1u using dual bidi SFPs (Calix being one option). Still not the density of GPON, but better than your example. On Sunday, October 19, 2014, Louis Arsenault via Af af@afmug.com javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','af@afmug.com'); wrote: Our reason for looking into it is heat and power. We may have 300+ customer coming into a single cabinet. We will be laying the fiber for active but if we can save on space by not needing 300+ sfp ports plus battery backup for all those switches. We are looking at the Planet switch which has 16 SFP ports. If we use GPON that is 16 SFP ports * 32 customers per port = 512 customers instead of only 16 customers per switch! To do active we would need 19 switches! -Louis On Sun, Oct 19, 2014 at 1:20 PM, Forrest Christian (List Account) via Af af@afmug.com wrote: To slightly hijack this. What is the fascination with gpon? From what I can tell, cabling a plant for active is dirt cheap and is future proof. Gpon isn't. On Oct 19, 2014 1:04 AM, TJ Trout via Af af@afmug.com wrote: How far away are we from seeing a gpon olt sfp module that would be mikrotik compatible? Would be nice to use a ccr 12s and be able to serve hundreds of customers. Seems like we aren't real close though ? -- -Louis NTInet O: 803-533-1660 X 207 C: 803-997-0004 -- Gerard
