Re: [AFMUG] RF Elements Symmetrical Horns vs Traditional Sectors

[That One Guy /sarcasm]

I like them even more because like everything, we pushed it too far, we
decided on epmp for offloading the short LOS customers. was supposed to be
a 2 mile limit with an assumption wed push it to 4. with the cambium
sectors we are consistently hitting 6-8 miles and sidelobing the shit out
of it, good for up front offloading, but in the long term we are killing
the AP, and the in town customers are suffering because theyre under the
pattern, move to these, get our cheating reeled in and better performance
on the short shots with the 90s and come back in with the 30s for the
further customers, EPMP is so cheap that its cost effective to put up one
of these 30s for a single customer knowing we will eventually get some
more, but we get to target locations and minimize unnecessary rf pollution.
Plus, its great PR when you do an NLOS but say "let us see what we can do"
and we can call them back later that day after we make the decision and
tell them "hey, we love you, we are so awesome and pretty that we will go
hang a whole new access point just for you, because we like you and we have
big junk. This tiny form factor is such that we could toss a roll of cable
in the van and hang the thing that day and maybe even make it back in the
afternoon to the customer.


all assuming they actually work as advertised


On Sat, Apr 16, 2016 at 12:08 AM, Stefan Englhardt <s...@genias.net> wrote:

> If your sectors are crowded this is a good additional antenna to offload
> some nearby customers. Small compared to a sector good fb ratio and sharp
> edges to reduce interference. 30 degree makes most sense. They are built
> solid compared to other rf elements antennas.
>
>
>  Ursprüngliche Nachricht 
> Von: Josh Reynolds <j...@kyneticwifi.com>
> Datum: 16.04.2016 03:35 (GMT+01:00)
> An: af@afmug.com
> Betreff: Re: [AFMUG] RF Elements Symmetrical Horns vs Traditional Sectors
>
>


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Re: [AFMUG] RF Elements Symmetrical Horns vs Traditional Sectors

[Stefan Englhardt]

If your sectors are crowded this is a good additional antenna to offload some 
nearby customers. Small compared to a sector good fb ratio and sharp edges to 
reduce interference. 30 degree makes most sense. They are built solid compared 
to other rf elements antennas.

 Ursprüngliche Nachricht 
Von: Josh Reynolds <j...@kyneticwifi.com> 
Datum: 16.04.2016  03:35  (GMT+01:00) 
An: af@afmug.com 
Betreff: Re: [AFMUG] RF Elements Symmetrical Horns vs Traditional Sectors 

Re: [AFMUG] RF Elements Symmetrical Horns vs Traditional Sectors

[That One Guy /sarcasm]

these will be the bees knees for hitting the near customers on epmp

On Fri, Apr 15, 2016 at 9:06 PM, Mathew Howard <mhoward...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Yes... and Ubiquiti sectors certainly don't have the best F/B ratio. But a
> cleaner pattern doesn't necessarily mean it's going to perform better... in
> some (maybe even most) cases, yes, in other cases, no.
> On Apr 15, 2016 8:55 PM, "Josh Reynolds" <j...@kyneticwifi.com> wrote:
>
>> F/B is normally pretty bad on most sectors. Cleaner on horns. Panels
>> being worse in every way than either horn or sector.
>> On Apr 15, 2016 8:52 PM, "Mike Hammett" <af...@ics-il.net> wrote:
>>
>>> It is important to note how sloppy a sector is in the gain it achieves.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -
>>> Mike Hammett
>>> Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/>
>>> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL>
>>> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb>
>>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions>
>>> <https://twitter.com/ICSIL>
>>> Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/>
>>> <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix>
>>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange>
>>> <https://twitter.com/mdwestix>
>>> The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/>
>>> <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp>
>>>
>>>
>>> <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg>
>>> --
>>> *From: *"Mathew Howard" <mhoward...@gmail.com>
>>> *To: *"af" <af@afmug.com>
>>> *Sent: *Friday, April 15, 2016 8:47:40 PM
>>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] RF Elements Symmetrical Horns vs Traditional
>>> Sectors
>>>
>>> I imagine it'll depend on how you're measuring performance. If larger
>>> vertical beamwidth and cleaner edges are important in your deployment, it's
>>> going to perform better... If you're doing longer distance, lower density
>>> shots where you want as much gain as possible, and vertical beamwidth isn't
>>> important, the 20db sector is most likely going to work better.
>>> On Apr 15, 2016 8:35 PM, "Josh Reynolds" <j...@kyneticwifi.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Marketing, for one.
>>>>
>>>> That said, it depends on your deployment needs.
>>>>
>>>> A horn will have a much larger vertical beamwidtg and cleaner edges,
>>>> but this is at the cost of gain.
>>>>
>>>> OTOH, the larger the gain, the larger the antenna.
>>>>
>>>> This is all just general antenna stuff, is there some metric or
>>>> reasoning you're looking for in particular? It's all mostly relative.
>>>> On Apr 15, 2016 8:33 PM, "Keefe John" <keefe...@ethoplex.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> So RF Elements claims their 90 degree 10 dbi symmetrical horn performs
>>>>> better than a traditional UBNT 90 degree 20 dbi sector. How and why?
>>>>>
>>>>> Keefe
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>


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If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] RF Elements Symmetrical Horns vs Traditional Sectors

[Mathew Howard]

Yes... and Ubiquiti sectors certainly don't have the best F/B ratio. But a
cleaner pattern doesn't necessarily mean it's going to perform better... in
some (maybe even most) cases, yes, in other cases, no.
On Apr 15, 2016 8:55 PM, "Josh Reynolds" <j...@kyneticwifi.com> wrote:

> F/B is normally pretty bad on most sectors. Cleaner on horns. Panels being
> worse in every way than either horn or sector.
> On Apr 15, 2016 8:52 PM, "Mike Hammett" <af...@ics-il.net> wrote:
>
>> It is important to note how sloppy a sector is in the gain it achieves.
>>
>>
>>
>> -
>> Mike Hammett
>> Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/>
>> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL>
>> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb>
>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions>
>> <https://twitter.com/ICSIL>
>> Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/>
>> <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix>
>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange>
>> <https://twitter.com/mdwestix>
>> The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/>
>> <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp>
>>
>>
>> <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg>
>> --
>> *From: *"Mathew Howard" <mhoward...@gmail.com>
>> *To: *"af" <af@afmug.com>
>> *Sent: *Friday, April 15, 2016 8:47:40 PM
>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] RF Elements Symmetrical Horns vs Traditional
>> Sectors
>>
>> I imagine it'll depend on how you're measuring performance. If larger
>> vertical beamwidth and cleaner edges are important in your deployment, it's
>> going to perform better... If you're doing longer distance, lower density
>> shots where you want as much gain as possible, and vertical beamwidth isn't
>> important, the 20db sector is most likely going to work better.
>> On Apr 15, 2016 8:35 PM, "Josh Reynolds" <j...@kyneticwifi.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Marketing, for one.
>>>
>>> That said, it depends on your deployment needs.
>>>
>>> A horn will have a much larger vertical beamwidtg and cleaner edges, but
>>> this is at the cost of gain.
>>>
>>> OTOH, the larger the gain, the larger the antenna.
>>>
>>> This is all just general antenna stuff, is there some metric or
>>> reasoning you're looking for in particular? It's all mostly relative.
>>> On Apr 15, 2016 8:33 PM, "Keefe John" <keefe...@ethoplex.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> So RF Elements claims their 90 degree 10 dbi symmetrical horn performs
>>>> better than a traditional UBNT 90 degree 20 dbi sector. How and why?
>>>>
>>>> Keefe
>>>>
>>>
>>

Re: [AFMUG] RF Elements Symmetrical Horns vs Traditional Sectors

[Josh Reynolds]

F/B is normally pretty bad on most sectors. Cleaner on horns. Panels being
worse in every way than either horn or sector.
On Apr 15, 2016 8:52 PM, "Mike Hammett" <af...@ics-il.net> wrote:

> It is important to note how sloppy a sector is in the gain it achieves.
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/>
> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL>
> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb>
> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions>
> <https://twitter.com/ICSIL>
> Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/>
> <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix>
> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange>
> <https://twitter.com/mdwestix>
> The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/>
> <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp>
>
>
> <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg>
> ----------
> *From: *"Mathew Howard" <mhoward...@gmail.com>
> *To: *"af" <af@afmug.com>
> *Sent: *Friday, April 15, 2016 8:47:40 PM
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] RF Elements Symmetrical Horns vs Traditional
> Sectors
>
> I imagine it'll depend on how you're measuring performance. If larger
> vertical beamwidth and cleaner edges are important in your deployment, it's
> going to perform better... If you're doing longer distance, lower density
> shots where you want as much gain as possible, and vertical beamwidth isn't
> important, the 20db sector is most likely going to work better.
> On Apr 15, 2016 8:35 PM, "Josh Reynolds" <j...@kyneticwifi.com> wrote:
>
>> Marketing, for one.
>>
>> That said, it depends on your deployment needs.
>>
>> A horn will have a much larger vertical beamwidtg and cleaner edges, but
>> this is at the cost of gain.
>>
>> OTOH, the larger the gain, the larger the antenna.
>>
>> This is all just general antenna stuff, is there some metric or reasoning
>> you're looking for in particular? It's all mostly relative.
>> On Apr 15, 2016 8:33 PM, "Keefe John" <keefe...@ethoplex.com> wrote:
>>
>>> So RF Elements claims their 90 degree 10 dbi symmetrical horn performs
>>> better than a traditional UBNT 90 degree 20 dbi sector. How and why?
>>>
>>> Keefe
>>>
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] RF Elements Symmetrical Horns vs Traditional Sectors

[Mike Hammett]

It is important to note how sloppy a sector is in the gain it achieves. 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 




- Original Message -

From: "Mathew Howard" <mhoward...@gmail.com> 
To: "af" <af@afmug.com> 
Sent: Friday, April 15, 2016 8:47:40 PM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] RF Elements Symmetrical Horns vs Traditional Sectors 


I imagine it'll depend on how you're measuring performance. If larger vertical 
beamwidth and cleaner edges are important in your deployment, it's going to 
perform better... If you're doing longer distance, lower density shots where 
you want as much gain as possible, and vertical beamwidth isn't important, the 
20db sector is most likely going to work better. 
On Apr 15, 2016 8:35 PM, "Josh Reynolds" < j...@kyneticwifi.com > wrote: 



Marketing, for one. 
That said, it depends on your deployment needs. 
A horn will have a much larger vertical beamwidtg and cleaner edges, but this 
is at the cost of gain. 
OTOH, the larger the gain, the larger the antenna. 
This is all just general antenna stuff, is there some metric or reasoning 
you're looking for in particular? It's all mostly relative. 
On Apr 15, 2016 8:33 PM, "Keefe John" < keefe...@ethoplex.com > wrote: 


So RF Elements claims their 90 degree 10 dbi symmetrical horn performs better 
than a traditional UBNT 90 degree 20 dbi sector. How and why? 

Keefe 

Re: [AFMUG] RF Elements Symmetrical Horns vs Traditional Sectors

[Mathew Howard]

I imagine it'll depend on how you're measuring performance. If larger
vertical beamwidth and cleaner edges are important in your deployment, it's
going to perform better... If you're doing longer distance, lower density
shots where you want as much gain as possible, and vertical beamwidth isn't
important, the 20db sector is most likely going to work better.
On Apr 15, 2016 8:35 PM, "Josh Reynolds"  wrote:

> Marketing, for one.
>
> That said, it depends on your deployment needs.
>
> A horn will have a much larger vertical beamwidtg and cleaner edges, but
> this is at the cost of gain.
>
> OTOH, the larger the gain, the larger the antenna.
>
> This is all just general antenna stuff, is there some metric or reasoning
> you're looking for in particular? It's all mostly relative.
> On Apr 15, 2016 8:33 PM, "Keefe John"  wrote:
>
>> So RF Elements claims their 90 degree 10 dbi symmetrical horn performs
>> better than a traditional UBNT 90 degree 20 dbi sector. How and why?
>>
>> Keefe
>>
>