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Right, but you can't expect any serious penetration with only them. I am considering special plans that only apply to the subdivisions immediately around my suburban water towers. I could get something like the new RF Elements horns and have some crazy downtilt so that my signal doesn't go further out than 2 miles. That high elevation will help out with that much downtilt. Now my fastest two plans are 4 megs for $60 and 10 megs for $100. I've been considering doubling the speed across the board, but I may need to revisit that offering to see how well it stacks up against them. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Tyler Treat via Af af@afmug.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: Saturday, October 18, 2014 10:15:14 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Random thought Yea but there will always be a subset of individuals who opt for a third option, be it for reliability, customer service, whatever. People hate the duopoly. ___ Mangled by my iPhone. ___ Tyler Treat Corn Belt Technologies, Inc. tyler.tr...@cornbelttech.com ___ On Oct 18, 2014, at 10:08 AM, Seth Mattinen via Af af@afmug.com wrote: On 10/18/14, 7:57 AM, Paul Conlin via Af wrote: Those stupid fast speeds sure do make it harder to get face time with potential customers however. Cable COs are making 25 Mbps the new base. The base is 60 meg here. ~Seth
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Those horns looks sexy!!! Gino A. Villarini @gvillarini On Oct 19, 2014, at 8:52 AM, Mike Hammett via Af af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com wrote: Right, but you can't expect any serious penetration with only them. I am considering special plans that only apply to the subdivisions immediately around my suburban water towers. I could get something like the new RF Elements horns and have some crazy downtilt so that my signal doesn't go further out than 2 miles. That high elevation will help out with that much downtilt. Now my fastest two plans are 4 megs for $60 and 10 megs for $100. I've been considering doubling the speed across the board, but I may need to revisit that offering to see how well it stacks up against them. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com From: Tyler Treat via Af af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com Sent: Saturday, October 18, 2014 10:15:14 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Random thought Yea but there will always be a subset of individuals who opt for a third option, be it for reliability, customer service, whatever.People hate the duopoly. ___ Mangled by my iPhone. ___ Tyler Treat Corn Belt Technologies, Inc. tyler.tr...@cornbelttech.commailto:tyler.tr...@cornbelttech.com ___ On Oct 18, 2014, at 10:08 AM, Seth Mattinen via Af af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com wrote: On 10/18/14, 7:57 AM, Paul Conlin via Af wrote: Those stupid fast speeds sure do make it harder to get face time with potential customers however. Cable COs are making 25 Mbps the new base. The base is 60 meg here. ~Seth
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Energy domes: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Energy_dome From: Gino Villarini via Af Sent: Sunday, October 19, 2014 8:17 AM To: mailto:af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Random thought Those horns looks sexy!!! Gino A. Villarini @gvillarini On Oct 19, 2014, at 8:52 AM, Mike Hammett via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Right, but you can't expect any serious penetration with only them. I am considering special plans that only apply to the subdivisions immediately around my suburban water towers. I could get something like the new RF Elements horns and have some crazy downtilt so that my signal doesn't go further out than 2 miles. That high elevation will help out with that much downtilt. Now my fastest two plans are 4 megs for $60 and 10 megs for $100. I've been considering doubling the speed across the board, but I may need to revisit that offering to see how well it stacks up against them. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: Tyler Treat via Af af@afmug.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: Saturday, October 18, 2014 10:15:14 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Random thought Yea but there will always be a subset of individuals who opt for a third option, be it for reliability, customer service, whatever.People hate the duopoly. ___ Mangled by my iPhone. ___ Tyler Treat Corn Belt Technologies, Inc. tyler.tr...@cornbelttech.com ___ On Oct 18, 2014, at 10:08 AM, Seth Mattinen via Af af@afmug.com wrote: On 10/18/14, 7:57 AM, Paul Conlin via Af wrote: Those stupid fast speeds sure do make it harder to get face time with potential customers however. Cable COs are making 25 Mbps the new base. The base is 60 meg here. ~Seth
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Odd thing is, they could have done a 4 patch array out of PCB material, had the same gain and pattern for much less money, weight, wind loading and loading moment. If they want sexy they should have done a dielguide/rod antenna. That would have given more gain and been truly “sexy”. From: Gino Villarini via Af Sent: Sunday, October 19, 2014 8:17 AM To: mailto:af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Random thought Those horns looks sexy!!! Gino A. Villarini @gvillarini On Oct 19, 2014, at 8:52 AM, Mike Hammett via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Right, but you can't expect any serious penetration with only them. I am considering special plans that only apply to the subdivisions immediately around my suburban water towers. I could get something like the new RF Elements horns and have some crazy downtilt so that my signal doesn't go further out than 2 miles. That high elevation will help out with that much downtilt. Now my fastest two plans are 4 megs for $60 and 10 megs for $100. I've been considering doubling the speed across the board, but I may need to revisit that offering to see how well it stacks up against them. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: Tyler Treat via Af af@afmug.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: Saturday, October 18, 2014 10:15:14 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Random thought Yea but there will always be a subset of individuals who opt for a third option, be it for reliability, customer service, whatever.People hate the duopoly. ___ Mangled by my iPhone. ___ Tyler Treat Corn Belt Technologies, Inc. tyler.tr...@cornbelttech.com ___ On Oct 18, 2014, at 10:08 AM, Seth Mattinen via Af af@afmug.com wrote: On 10/18/14, 7:57 AM, Paul Conlin via Af wrote: Those stupid fast speeds sure do make it harder to get face time with potential customers however. Cable COs are making 25 Mbps the new base. The base is 60 meg here. ~Seth
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Or this - From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown via Af Sent: Sunday, October 19, 2014 8:48 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Random thought Odd thing is, they could have done a 4 patch array out of PCB material, had the same gain and pattern for much less money, weight, wind loading and loading moment. If they want sexy they should have done a dielguide/rod antenna. That would have given more gain and been truly “sexy”. From: Gino Villarini via Af mailto:af@afmug.com Sent: Sunday, October 19, 2014 8:17 AM To: mailto:af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Random thought Those horns looks sexy!!! Gino A. Villarini @gvillarini On Oct 19, 2014, at 8:52 AM, Mike Hammett via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Right, but you can't expect any serious penetration with only them. I am considering special plans that only apply to the subdivisions immediately around my suburban water towers. I could get something like the new RF Elements horns and have some crazy downtilt so that my signal doesn't go further out than 2 miles. That high elevation will help out with that much downtilt. Now my fastest two plans are 4 megs for $60 and 10 megs for $100. I've been considering doubling the speed across the board, but I may need to revisit that offering to see how well it stacks up against them. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com From: Tyler Treat via Af af@afmug.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: Saturday, October 18, 2014 10:15:14 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Random thought Yea but there will always be a subset of individuals who opt for a third option, be it for reliability, customer service, whatever.People hate the duopoly. ___ Mangled by my iPhone. ___ Tyler Treat Corn Belt Technologies, Inc. tyler.tr...@cornbelttech.com ___ On Oct 18, 2014, at 10:08 AM, Seth Mattinen via Af af@afmug.com wrote: On 10/18/14, 7:57 AM, Paul Conlin via Af wrote: Those stupid fast speeds sure do make it harder to get face time with potential customers however. Cable COs are making 25 Mbps the new base. The base is 60 meg here. ~Seth
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I have been talking with Martin JT quite a bit. They are now working on a version of the radio adapters for the inner-feed that are shielded. I also asked to see if we could get some slightly larger gain models, say 3-5db more. I was told it probably would make the horns too big, but that they would go back and check. Josh Reynolds, Chief Information Officer SPITwSPOTS, www.spitwspots.com http://www.spitwspots.com On 10/19/2014 06:17 AM, Gino Villarini via Af wrote: Those horns looks sexy!!! Gino A. Villarini @gvillarini On Oct 19, 2014, at 8:52 AM, Mike Hammett via Af af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com wrote: Right, but you can't expect any serious penetration with only them. I am considering special plans that only apply to the subdivisions immediately around my suburban water towers. I could get something like the new RF Elements horns and have some crazy downtilt so that my signal doesn't go further out than 2 miles. That high elevation will help out with that much downtilt. Now my fastest two plans are 4 megs for $60 and 10 megs for $100. I've been considering doubling the speed across the board, but I may need to revisit that offering to see how well it stacks up against them. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com *From: *Tyler Treat via Af af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com *To: *af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com *Sent: *Saturday, October 18, 2014 10:15:14 AM *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Random thought Yea but there will always be a subset of individuals who opt for a third option, be it for reliability, customer service, whatever. People hate the duopoly. ___ Mangled by my iPhone. ___ Tyler Treat Corn Belt Technologies, Inc. tyler.tr...@cornbelttech.com mailto:tyler.tr...@cornbelttech.com ___ On Oct 18, 2014, at 10:08 AM, Seth Mattinen via Af af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com wrote: On 10/18/14, 7:57 AM, Paul Conlin via Af wrote: Those stupid fast speeds sure do make it harder to get face time with potential customers however. Cable COs are making 25 Mbps the new base. The base is 60 meg here. ~Seth
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Just leave the horn off and aim the horn connection at a reflector. All the gain you want. Send me a radio and I will make a reflector holder for it. From: Josh Reynolds via Af Sent: Sunday, October 19, 2014 2:54 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Random thought I have been talking with Martin JT quite a bit. They are now working on a version of the radio adapters for the inner-feed that are shielded. I also asked to see if we could get some slightly larger gain models, say 3-5db more. I was told it probably would make the horns too big, but that they would go back and check. Josh Reynolds, Chief Information Officer SPITwSPOTS, www.spitwspots.com On 10/19/2014 06:17 AM, Gino Villarini via Af wrote: Those horns looks sexy!!! Gino A. Villarini @gvillarini On Oct 19, 2014, at 8:52 AM, Mike Hammett via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Right, but you can't expect any serious penetration with only them. I am considering special plans that only apply to the subdivisions immediately around my suburban water towers. I could get something like the new RF Elements horns and have some crazy downtilt so that my signal doesn't go further out than 2 miles. That high elevation will help out with that much downtilt. Now my fastest two plans are 4 megs for $60 and 10 megs for $100. I've been considering doubling the speed across the board, but I may need to revisit that offering to see how well it stacks up against them. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com From: Tyler Treat via Af af@afmug.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: Saturday, October 18, 2014 10:15:14 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Random thought Yea but there will always be a subset of individuals who opt for a third option, be it for reliability, customer service, whatever. � �People hate the duopoly. � ___ Mangled by my iPhone. ___ Tyler Treat Corn Belt Technologies, Inc. tyler.tr...@cornbelttech.com ___ On Oct 18, 2014, at 10:08 AM, Seth Mattinen via Af af@afmug.com wrote: On 10/18/14, 7:57 AM, Paul Conlin via Af wrote: Those stupid fast speeds sure do make it harder to get face time with potential customers however. Cable COs are making 25 Mbps the new base. The base is 60 meg here. ~Seth
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The horn does have some modest advantages. Moving to a reflector would remove those advantages completely. Josh Reynolds, Chief Information Officer SPITwSPOTS, www.spitwspots.com http://www.spitwspots.com On 10/19/2014 04:22 PM, Chuck McCown via Af wrote: Just leave the horn off and aim the horn connection at a reflector. All the gain you want. Send me a radio and I will make a reflector holder for it. *From:* Josh Reynolds via Af mailto:af@afmug.com *Sent:* Sunday, October 19, 2014 2:54 PM *To:* af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Random thought I have been talking with Martin JT quite a bit. They are now working on a version of the radio adapters for the inner-feed that are shielded. I also asked to see if we could get some slightly larger gain models, say 3-5db more. I was told it probably would make the horns too big, but that they would go back and check. Josh Reynolds, Chief Information Officer SPITwSPOTS, www.spitwspots.com http://www.spitwspots.com On 10/19/2014 06:17 AM, Gino Villarini via Af wrote: Those horns looks sexy!!! Gino A. Villarini @gvillarini On Oct 19, 2014, at 8:52 AM, Mike Hammett via Af af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com wrote: Right, but you can't expect any serious penetration with only them. I am considering special plans that only apply to the subdivisions immediately around my suburban water towers. I could get something like the new RF Elements horns and have some crazy downtilt so that my signal doesn't go further out than 2 miles. That high elevation will help out with that much downtilt. Now my fastest two plans are 4 megs for $60 and 10 megs for $100. I've been considering doubling the speed across the board, but I may need to revisit that offering to see how well it stacks up against them. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com *From: *Tyler Treat via Af af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com *To: *af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com *Sent: *Saturday, October 18, 2014 10:15:14 AM *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Random thought Yea but there will always be a subset of individuals who opt for a third option, be it for reliability, customer service, whatever. � �People hate the duopoly. � ___ Mangled by my iPhone. ___ Tyler Treat Corn Belt Technologies, Inc. tyler.tr...@cornbelttech.com mailto:tyler.tr...@cornbelttech.com ___ On Oct 18, 2014, at 10:08 AM, Seth Mattinen via Af af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com wrote: On 10/18/14, 7:57 AM, Paul Conlin via Af wrote: Those stupid fast speeds sure do make it harder to get face time with potential customers however. Cable COs are making 25 Mbps the new base. The base is 60 meg here. ~Seth
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Or the magic words “up to”? Like crossing your fingers behind your back. From: Forrest Christian (List Account) via Af Sent: Saturday, October 18, 2014 9:35 AM To: af Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Random thought If your concern is raw speed alone, then you're right. On the other hand, if you can't figure out how to build a winning value proposition against some of the most hated companies in the country, then you are doing something wrong. The wireless technology today will get you to the point where most customers won't see a difference in speed for their typical usage. On Oct 17, 2014 4:50 PM, Chris Wright via Af af@afmug.com wrote: I don't disagree with your sentiment, but cable companies are offering stupid-fast plans now thanks to Google Fiber in more and more markets. Comcast is doubling speeds for free in some of their markets now. I doubt WISPs will ever win over the average residential customer who is eligible for cable and knows it (unless they're leaving on principle or something like that). Chris Wright Velociter Wireless -Original Message- From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of cstanners--- via Af Sent: Friday, October 17, 2014 4:43 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] Random thought It's interesting that we needed Ubiquiti to push forward the industry by creating a high-end/high-capacity backhaul at a very low price, and Cambium to do the same by creating a wifi-chip-based/value-priced PtMP and mid-capacity PtP system that has GPS sync and seems to work very well. A few years ago when Canopy was stuck at 14mbit FSK, I was wondering how the WISP industry would survive. Now with Canopy450 and those more cost-effective options, things are looking very competitive against DSL, and even some cable.
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Those stupid fast speeds sure do make it harder to get face time with potential customers however. Cable COs are making 25 Mbps the new base. PC Blaze Broadband On October 18, 2014 10:51:47 AM EDT, Ken Hohhof via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Or the magic words “up to”? Like crossing your fingers behind your back. From: Forrest Christian (List Account) via Af Sent: Saturday, October 18, 2014 9:35 AM To: af Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Random thought If your concern is raw speed alone, then you're right. On the other hand, if you can't figure out how to build a winning value proposition against some of the most hated companies in the country, then you are doing something wrong. The wireless technology today will get you to the point where most customers won't see a difference in speed for their typical usage. On Oct 17, 2014 4:50 PM, Chris Wright via Af af@afmug.com wrote: I don't disagree with your sentiment, but cable companies are offering stupid-fast plans now thanks to Google Fiber in more and more markets. Comcast is doubling speeds for free in some of their markets now. I doubt WISPs will ever win over the average residential customer who is eligible for cable and knows it (unless they're leaving on principle or something like that). Chris Wright Velociter Wireless -Original Message- From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of cstanners--- via Af Sent: Friday, October 17, 2014 4:43 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] Random thought It's interesting that we needed Ubiquiti to push forward the industry by creating a high-end/high-capacity backhaul at a very low price, and Cambium to do the same by creating a wifi-chip-based/value-priced PtMP and mid-capacity PtP system that has GPS sync and seems to work very well. A few years ago when Canopy was stuck at 14mbit FSK, I was wondering how the WISP industry would survive. Now with Canopy450 and those more cost-effective options, things are looking very competitive against DSL, and even some cable.
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On 10/18/14, 7:57 AM, Paul Conlin via Af wrote: Those stupid fast speeds sure do make it harder to get face time with potential customers however. Cable COs are making 25 Mbps the new base. The base is 60 meg here. ~Seth
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On 10/18/14, 8:26 AM, Ken Hohhof via Af wrote: And an amazing price for 6 months or for 12 months? Yeah I pay $29 for 60 meg and actually get it (typically 66). No bundle required. I can't serve myself for free but for 30 bucks I'm not too heartbroken. The upload still blows at 4 meg though. I don't even bother with residential, honestly. Businesses are easier to deal with, especially the ones doing cloud stuff and suffering with the 4 meg upload. ~Seth
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Good point about business and upload speed. Even businesses with people working from home via VPN and video Skype. I have a guy uploading documents to his server at a datacenter, he is crying that I'm only giving him 15M upload, he wants 25M. I have a professional photographer who stores his photos in RAW format and uses cloud backup. 4M upload is probably adequate for most people, but let's face it, how many people really need 60M download? If it's all about the numbers, why ignore upload. Probably something we should stress more in advertising. -Original Message- From: Seth Mattinen via Af Sent: Saturday, October 18, 2014 11:25 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Random thought On 10/18/14, 8:26 AM, Ken Hohhof via Af wrote: And an amazing price for 6 months or for 12 months? Yeah I pay $29 for 60 meg and actually get it (typically 66). No bundle required. I can't serve myself for free but for 30 bucks I'm not too heartbroken. The upload still blows at 4 meg though. I don't even bother with residential, honestly. Businesses are easier to deal with, especially the ones doing cloud stuff and suffering with the 4 meg upload. ~Seth
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Rory- can your model be replicated on outside of suburbia? Aside from that, this really all goes back to your personal business philosophy. Are you trying to provide the absolute very best service possible - or - are you after the low hanging fruit? Get as many people as you can easily, and extract as much cash as possible from them. Somewhere in between the two? ___ Mangled by my iPhone. ___ Tyler Treat Corn Belt Technologies, Inc. tyler.tr...@cornbelttech.com ___ On Oct 18, 2014, at 11:54 AM, Rory Conaway via Af af@afmug.com wrote: We don't advertise speeds at all. We just say that you won't be able to tell a difference between our system and Comcast/Centurylink. We will also guarantee that your video will not buffer. 50% growth last year and we expect at least that this year. Rory -Original Message- From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Ken Hohhof via Af Sent: Saturday, October 18, 2014 9:40 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Random thought Good point about business and upload speed. Even businesses with people working from home via VPN and video Skype. I have a guy uploading documents to his server at a datacenter, he is crying that I'm only giving him 15M upload, he wants 25M. I have a professional photographer who stores his photos in RAW format and uses cloud backup. 4M upload is probably adequate for most people, but let's face it, how many people really need 60M download? If it's all about the numbers, why ignore upload. Probably something we should stress more in advertising. -Original Message- From: Seth Mattinen via Af Sent: Saturday, October 18, 2014 11:25 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Random thought On 10/18/14, 8:26 AM, Ken Hohhof via Af wrote: And an amazing price for 6 months or for 12 months? Yeah I pay $29 for 60 meg and actually get it (typically 66). No bundle required. I can't serve myself for free but for 30 bucks I'm not too heartbroken. The upload still blows at 4 meg though. I don't even bother with residential, honestly. Businesses are easier to deal with, especially the ones doing cloud stuff and suffering with the 4 meg upload. ~Seth
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Interesting. -Original Message- From: Rory Conaway via Af Sent: Saturday, October 18, 2014 11:53 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Random thought We don't advertise speeds at all. We just say that you won't be able to tell a difference between our system and Comcast/Centurylink. We will also guarantee that your video will not buffer. 50% growth last year and we expect at least that this year. Rory -Original Message- From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Ken Hohhof via Af Sent: Saturday, October 18, 2014 9:40 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Random thought Good point about business and upload speed. Even businesses with people working from home via VPN and video Skype. I have a guy uploading documents to his server at a datacenter, he is crying that I'm only giving him 15M upload, he wants 25M. I have a professional photographer who stores his photos in RAW format and uses cloud backup. 4M upload is probably adequate for most people, but let's face it, how many people really need 60M download? If it's all about the numbers, why ignore upload. Probably something we should stress more in advertising. -Original Message- From: Seth Mattinen via Af Sent: Saturday, October 18, 2014 11:25 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Random thought On 10/18/14, 8:26 AM, Ken Hohhof via Af wrote: And an amazing price for 6 months or for 12 months? Yeah I pay $29 for 60 meg and actually get it (typically 66). No bundle required. I can't serve myself for free but for 30 bucks I'm not too heartbroken. The upload still blows at 4 meg though. I don't even bother with residential, honestly. Businesses are easier to deal with, especially the ones doing cloud stuff and suffering with the 4 meg upload. ~Seth
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Rory, Aaron andI split the sessions this year. I went to the technical ones, and he went to the business ones (which is how we divide our focus inside the company anyway, based on company role and experience). Aaron was... blown away when he went to the 500-2000 sub session and the people on the panel didn't know their gross monthly revenue. Aaron can at least tell you per week, and often per day, that figure. We have been competing against the ILEC, CLEC/Cable Co, and two other WISPs for 8 years as a company, yet we still have seen on average a 30% growth year after year because of our business model. IMO, Chuck, Gino, Nathan, and others do very well from what I have heard/seen when it comes to explaining the larger (~3000+) sub count businesses, but it seems like there is a huge technical and business knowledge gap when you go from ~ 500-2000 subs. I am hopeful that next year yourself and others can give a detailed report at the next show of how different businesses in different areas have been effective at fighting off the 800 lb gorillas. Josh Reynolds, Chief Information Officer SPITwSPOTS, www.spitwspots.com http://www.spitwspots.com On 10/18/2014 10:15 AM, Rory Conaway via Af wrote: My philosophy as a business owner is to make the most money possible based on an ethical, moral, and legal foundation. At the same time, my competitors have the same profit margin goal but prioritize legal first. When competing against multi-billion dollar companies, you can't out-market them and when you become an annoyance, they just lower their price to drive you out of business. So we used price as the door opener. When CenturyLink found out we were offering pre-paid at $18 per month (they have to pay for the full year), they dropped their service to the same price. At $18 per month, you either have to have very low costs or limited service needs. Since few people need more than 5Mbps and can't tell the difference between 5Mbps and 150Mbps, we tell them if they can tell the difference, we will refund their service. I've lost 1 client in 7 years and that was before 802.11N. They aren't stupid and most customers who check see between 6-20Mbps. Customers who are part of our current expansion are seeing 40Mbps and should be at 50Mbps over the next week or so. That being said, times have changed and we will be offering new options such as higher speed video streaming packages for $6 per month more, higher security options, etc... Rory -Original Message- From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Tyler Treat via Af Sent: Saturday, October 18, 2014 10:04 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Random thought Rory- can your model be replicated on outside of suburbia? Aside from that, this really all goes back to your personal business philosophy. Are you trying to provide the absolute very best service possible - or - are you after the low hanging fruit? Get as many people as you can easily, and extract as much cash as possible from them. Somewhere in between the two? ___ Mangled by my iPhone. ___ Tyler Treat Corn Belt Technologies, Inc. tyler.tr...@cornbelttech.com ___ On Oct 18, 2014, at 11:54 AM, Rory Conaway via Af af@afmug.com wrote: We don't advertise speeds at all. We just say that you won't be able to tell a difference between our system and Comcast/Centurylink. We will also guarantee that your video will not buffer. 50% growth last year and we expect at least that this year. Rory -Original Message- From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Ken Hohhof via Af Sent: Saturday, October 18, 2014 9:40 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Random thought Good point about business and upload speed. Even businesses with people working from home via VPN and video Skype. I have a guy uploading documents to his server at a datacenter, he is crying that I'm only giving him 15M upload, he wants 25M. I have a professional photographer who stores his photos in RAW format and uses cloud backup. 4M upload is probably adequate for most people, but let's face it, how many people really need 60M download? If it's all about the numbers, why ignore upload. Probably something we should stress more in advertising. -Original Message- From: Seth Mattinen via Af Sent: Saturday, October 18, 2014 11:25 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Random thought On 10/18/14, 8:26 AM, Ken Hohhof via Af wrote: And an amazing price for 6 months or for 12 months? Yeah I pay $29 for 60 meg and actually get it (typically 66). No bundle required. I can't serve myself for free but for 30 bucks I'm not too heartbroken. The upload still blows at 4 meg though. I don't even bother with residential, honestly. Businesses are easier to deal with, especially the ones doing cloud stuff and suffering with the 4 meg upload. ~Seth
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I'm surprised CenturyLink is able to match prices, usually the big telcos are locked into statewide tariffs or maybe that's not the obstacle anymore but they want to have one price over their entire service area for national marketing, billboards, website, flyers, etc. Any idea how they are able to be nimble enough to offer super low prices in just one area to squash a local competitor? Or is this just something they offer once an existing customer calls to cancel and gets routed to the retention department? -Original Message- From: Rory Conaway via Af Sent: Saturday, October 18, 2014 12:15 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Random thought My philosophy as a business owner is to make the most money possible based on an ethical, moral, and legal foundation. At the same time, my competitors have the same profit margin goal but prioritize legal first. When competing against multi-billion dollar companies, you can't out-market them and when you become an annoyance, they just lower their price to drive you out of business. So we used price as the door opener. When CenturyLink found out we were offering pre-paid at $18 per month (they have to pay for the full year), they dropped their service to the same price. At $18 per month, you either have to have very low costs or limited service needs. Since few people need more than 5Mbps and can't tell the difference between 5Mbps and 150Mbps, we tell them if they can tell the difference, we will refund their service. I've lost 1 client in 7 years and that was before 802.11N. They aren't stupid and most customers who check see between 6-20Mbps. Customers who are part of our current expansion are seeing 40Mbps and should be at 50Mbps over the next week or so. That being said, times have changed and we will be offering new options such as higher speed video streaming packages for $6 per month more, higher security options, etc... Rory -Original Message- From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Tyler Treat via Af Sent: Saturday, October 18, 2014 10:04 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Random thought Rory- can your model be replicated on outside of suburbia? Aside from that, this really all goes back to your personal business philosophy. Are you trying to provide the absolute very best service possible - or - are you after the low hanging fruit? Get as many people as you can easily, and extract as much cash as possible from them. Somewhere in between the two? ___ Mangled by my iPhone. ___ Tyler Treat Corn Belt Technologies, Inc. tyler.tr...@cornbelttech.com ___ On Oct 18, 2014, at 11:54 AM, Rory Conaway via Af af@afmug.com wrote: We don't advertise speeds at all. We just say that you won't be able to tell a difference between our system and Comcast/Centurylink. We will also guarantee that your video will not buffer. 50% growth last year and we expect at least that this year. Rory -Original Message- From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Ken Hohhof via Af Sent: Saturday, October 18, 2014 9:40 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Random thought Good point about business and upload speed. Even businesses with people working from home via VPN and video Skype. I have a guy uploading documents to his server at a datacenter, he is crying that I'm only giving him 15M upload, he wants 25M. I have a professional photographer who stores his photos in RAW format and uses cloud backup. 4M upload is probably adequate for most people, but let's face it, how many people really need 60M download? If it's all about the numbers, why ignore upload. Probably something we should stress more in advertising. -Original Message- From: Seth Mattinen via Af Sent: Saturday, October 18, 2014 11:25 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Random thought On 10/18/14, 8:26 AM, Ken Hohhof via Af wrote: And an amazing price for 6 months or for 12 months? Yeah I pay $29 for 60 meg and actually get it (typically 66). No bundle required. I can't serve myself for free but for 30 bucks I'm not too heartbroken. The upload still blows at 4 meg though. I don't even bother with residential, honestly. Businesses are easier to deal with, especially the ones doing cloud stuff and suffering with the 4 meg upload. ~Seth
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Not sure. What I do know is they also sent door-to-door sales people in a couple of MDU's right after we installed and a bunch of their customers shut them off. For some reason, they seem to be pretty nimble down here. When our customers in the residential market started shutting them off, they started offering the $18 fee. I was standing in the middle of a presentation in WISPA when I got the text message on this. Rory -Original Message- From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Ken Hohhof via Af Sent: Saturday, October 18, 2014 10:41 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Random thought I'm surprised CenturyLink is able to match prices, usually the big telcos are locked into statewide tariffs or maybe that's not the obstacle anymore but they want to have one price over their entire service area for national marketing, billboards, website, flyers, etc. Any idea how they are able to be nimble enough to offer super low prices in just one area to squash a local competitor? Or is this just something they offer once an existing customer calls to cancel and gets routed to the retention department? -Original Message- From: Rory Conaway via Af Sent: Saturday, October 18, 2014 12:15 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Random thought My philosophy as a business owner is to make the most money possible based on an ethical, moral, and legal foundation. At the same time, my competitors have the same profit margin goal but prioritize legal first. When competing against multi-billion dollar companies, you can't out-market them and when you become an annoyance, they just lower their price to drive you out of business. So we used price as the door opener. When CenturyLink found out we were offering pre-paid at $18 per month (they have to pay for the full year), they dropped their service to the same price. At $18 per month, you either have to have very low costs or limited service needs. Since few people need more than 5Mbps and can't tell the difference between 5Mbps and 150Mbps, we tell them if they can tell the difference, we will refund their service. I've lost 1 client in 7 years and that was before 802.11N. They aren't stupid and most customers who check see between 6-20Mbps. Customers who are part of our current expansion are seeing 40Mbps and should be at 50Mbps over the next week or so. That being said, times have changed and we will be offering new options such as higher speed video streaming packages for $6 per month more, higher security options, etc... Rory -Original Message- From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Tyler Treat via Af Sent: Saturday, October 18, 2014 10:04 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Random thought Rory- can your model be replicated on outside of suburbia? Aside from that, this really all goes back to your personal business philosophy. Are you trying to provide the absolute very best service possible - or - are you after the low hanging fruit? Get as many people as you can easily, and extract as much cash as possible from them. Somewhere in between the two? ___ Mangled by my iPhone. ___ Tyler Treat Corn Belt Technologies, Inc. tyler.tr...@cornbelttech.com ___ On Oct 18, 2014, at 11:54 AM, Rory Conaway via Af af@afmug.com wrote: We don't advertise speeds at all. We just say that you won't be able to tell a difference between our system and Comcast/Centurylink. We will also guarantee that your video will not buffer. 50% growth last year and we expect at least that this year. Rory -Original Message- From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Ken Hohhof via Af Sent: Saturday, October 18, 2014 9:40 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Random thought Good point about business and upload speed. Even businesses with people working from home via VPN and video Skype. I have a guy uploading documents to his server at a datacenter, he is crying that I'm only giving him 15M upload, he wants 25M. I have a professional photographer who stores his photos in RAW format and uses cloud backup. 4M upload is probably adequate for most people, but let's face it, how many people really need 60M download? If it's all about the numbers, why ignore upload. Probably something we should stress more in advertising. -Original Message- From: Seth Mattinen via Af Sent: Saturday, October 18, 2014 11:25 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Random thought On 10/18/14, 8:26 AM, Ken Hohhof via Af wrote: And an amazing price for 6 months or for 12 months? Yeah I pay $29 for 60 meg and actually get it (typically 66). No bundle required. I can't serve myself for free but for 30 bucks I'm not too heartbroken. The upload still blows at 4 meg though. I don't even bother with residential, honestly. Businesses are easier to deal with, especially the ones doing cloud stuff and suffering
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Read my next article, Chapter 52, where I actually cover some of this but more on the technical side. It should be published by the end of the week. I was also on one of those panels last year but had different ones this year. I'm working with another startup that is at 600 subs right now and expanding like crazy. Here is an advertisement we are posting in the local paper November 1 for the next 6 months in an area with 2000 homes. It's an over 55 area, hence the picture. Rory From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Josh Reynolds via Af Sent: Saturday, October 18, 2014 10:35 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Random thought Rory, Aaron and I split the sessions this year. I went to the technical ones, and he went to the business ones (which is how we divide our focus inside the company anyway, based on company role and experience). Aaron was... blown away when he went to the 500-2000 sub session and the people on the panel didn't know their gross monthly revenue. Aaron can at least tell you per week, and often per day, that figure. We have been competing against the ILEC, CLEC/Cable Co, and two other WISPs for 8 years as a company, yet we still have seen on average a 30% growth year after year because of our business model. IMO, Chuck, Gino, Nathan, and others do very well from what I have heard/seen when it comes to explaining the larger (~3000+) sub count businesses, but it seems like there is a huge technical and business knowledge gap when you go from ~ 500-2000 subs. I am hopeful that next year yourself and others can give a detailed report at the next show of how different businesses in different areas have been effective at fighting off the 800 lb gorillas. Josh Reynolds, Chief Information Officer SPITwSPOTS, www.spitwspots.com On 10/18/2014 10:15 AM, Rory Conaway via Af wrote: My philosophy as a business owner is to make the most money possible based on an ethical, moral, and legal foundation. At the same time, my competitors have the same profit margin goal but prioritize legal first. When competing against multi-billion dollar companies, you can't out-market them and when you become an annoyance, they just lower their price to drive you out of business. So we used price as the door opener. When CenturyLink found out we were offering pre-paid at $18 per month (they have to pay for the full year), they dropped their service to the same price. At $18 per month, you either have to have very low costs or limited service needs. Since few people need more than 5Mbps and can't tell the difference between 5Mbps and 150Mbps, we tell them if they can tell the difference, we will refund their service. I've lost 1 client in 7 years and that was before 802.11N. They aren't stupid and most customers who check see between 6-20Mbps. Customers who are part of our current expansion are seeing 40Mbps and should be at 50Mbps over the next week or so. That being said, times have changed and we will be offering new options such as higher speed video streaming packages for $6 per month more, higher security options, etc... Rory -Original Message- From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Tyler Treat via Af Sent: Saturday, October 18, 2014 10:04 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Random thought Rory- can your model be replicated on outside of suburbia? Aside from that, this really all goes back to your personal business philosophy. Are you trying to provide the absolute very best service possible - or - are you after the low hanging fruit? Get as many people as you can easily, and extract as much cash as possible from them. Somewhere in between the two? ___ Mangled by my iPhone. ___ Tyler Treat Corn Belt Technologies, Inc. tyler.tr...@cornbelttech.com ___ On Oct 18, 2014, at 11:54 AM, Rory Conaway via Af af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com wrote: We don't advertise speeds at all. We just say that you won't be able to tell a difference between our system and Comcast/Centurylink. We will also guarantee that your video will not buffer. 50% growth last year and we expect at least that this year. Rory -Original Message- From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Ken Hohhof via Af Sent: Saturday, October 18, 2014 9:40 AM
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Over 55 == not tech savvy? Hmmm. Not sure that picture communicates that you are friendly to older folks. To some it may say that this is your grandmother’s internet... slow, AOL, dial up modems, etc. Just an opinion. Probably wrong. From: Rory Conaway via Af Sent: Saturday, October 18, 2014 1:57 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Random thought Read my next article, Chapter 52, where I actually cover some of this but more on the technical side. It should be published by the end of the week. I was also on one of those panels last year but had different ones this year. I’m working with another startup that is at 600 subs right now and expanding like crazy. Here is an advertisement we are posting in the local paper November 1 for the next 6 months in an area with 2000 homes. It’s an over 55 area, hence the picture. Rory From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Josh Reynolds via Af Sent: Saturday, October 18, 2014 10:35 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Random thought Rory, Aaron and I split the sessions this year. I went to the technical ones, and he went to the business ones (which is how we divide our focus inside the company anyway, based on company role and experience). Aaron was... blown away when he went to the 500-2000 sub session and the people on the panel didn't know their gross monthly revenue. Aaron can at least tell you per week, and often per day, that figure. We have been competing against the ILEC, CLEC/Cable Co, and two other WISPs for 8 years as a company, yet we still have seen on average a 30% growth year after year because of our business model. IMO, Chuck, Gino, Nathan, and others do very well from what I have heard/seen when it comes to explaining the larger (~3000+) sub count businesses, but it seems like there is a huge technical and business knowledge gap when you go from ~ 500-2000 subs. I am hopeful that next year yourself and others can give a detailed report at the next show of how different businesses in different areas have been effective at fighting off the 800 lb gorillas. Josh Reynolds, Chief Information Officer SPITwSPOTS, www.spitwspots.com On 10/18/2014 10:15 AM, Rory Conaway via Af wrote: My philosophy as a business owner is to make the most money possiblebased on an ethical, moral, and legal foundation. At the same time, mycompetitors have the same profit margin goal but prioritize legal first.When competing against multi-billion dollar companies, you can'tout-market them and when you become an annoyance, they just lower theirprice to drive you out of business. So we used price as the dooropener. When CenturyLink found out we were offering pre-paid at $18 permonth (they have to pay for the full year), they dropped their serviceto the same price. At $18 per month, you either have to have very low costs or limitedservice needs. Since few people need more than 5Mbps and can't tell thedifference between 5Mbps and 150Mbps, we tell them if they can tell thedifference, we will refund their service. I've lost 1 client in 7 yearsand that was before 802.11N. They aren't stupid and most customers whocheck see between 6-20Mbps. Customers who are part of our currentexpansion are seeing 40Mbps and should be at 50Mbps over the next weekor so. That being said, times have changed and we will be offering new optionssuch as higher speed video streaming packages for $6 per month more,higher security options, etc... Rory -Original Message-From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Tyler Treat via AfSent: Saturday, October 18, 2014 10:04 AMTo: af@afmug.comSubject: Re: [AFMUG] Random thought Rory- can your model be replicated on outside of suburbia? Aside from that, this really all goes back to your personal businessphilosophy. Are you trying to provide the absolute very best servicepossible - or - are you after the low hanging fruit? Get as many peopleas you can easily, and extract as much cash as possible from them.Somewhere in between the two? ___Mangled by my iPhone.___ Tyler TreatCorn Belt Technologies, Inc. tyler.treat@cornbelttech.com___ On Oct 18, 2014, at 11:54 AM, Rory Conaway via Af mailto:af@afmug.comwrote: We don't advertise speeds at all. We just say that you won't be ableto tell a difference between our system and Comcast/Centurylink. Wewill also guarantee that your video will not buffer. 50% growth lastyear and we expect at least that this year. Rory -Original Message-From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Ken Hohhof via AfSent: Saturday, October 18, 2014 9:40 AMTo: af@afmug.comSubject: Re: [AFMUG] Random thought Good point about business and upload speed. Even businesses with people working from home via VPN and video Skype.I have a guy uploading documents to his server at a datacenter, he iscrying that I'm only
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Oh no. I never said that. My biggest growth came from tablet and NetFlix users last year. We ran the add past 3 of our customers and they really liked it. Rory From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown via Af Sent: Saturday, October 18, 2014 1:23 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Random thought Over 55 == not tech savvy? Hmmm. Not sure that picture communicates that you are friendly to older folks. To some it may say that this is your grandmother’s internet... slow, AOL, dial up modems, etc. Just an opinion. Probably wrong. From: Rory Conaway via Af mailto:af@afmug.com Sent: Saturday, October 18, 2014 1:57 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Random thought Read my next article, Chapter 52, where I actually cover some of this but more on the technical side. It should be published by the end of the week. I was also on one of those panels last year but had different ones this year. I’m working with another startup that is at 600 subs right now and expanding like crazy. Here is an advertisement we are posting in the local paper November 1 for the next 6 months in an area with 2000 homes. It’s an over 55 area, hence the picture. Rory From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Josh Reynolds via Af Sent: Saturday, October 18, 2014 10:35 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Random thought Rory, Aaron and I split the sessions this year. I went to the technical ones, and he went to the business ones (which is how we divide our focus inside the company anyway, based on company role and experience). Aaron was... blown away when he went to the 500-2000 sub session and the people on the panel didn't know their gross monthly revenue. Aaron can at least tell you per week, and often per day, that figure. We have been competing against the ILEC, CLEC/Cable Co, and two other WISPs for 8 years as a company, yet we still have seen on average a 30% growth year after year because of our business model. IMO, Chuck, Gino, Nathan, and others do very well from what I have heard/seen when it comes to explaining the larger (~3000+) sub count businesses, but it seems like there is a huge technical and business knowledge gap when you go from ~ 500-2000 subs. I am hopeful that next year yourself and others can give a detailed report at the next show of how different businesses in different areas have been effective at fighting off the 800 lb gorillas. Josh Reynolds, Chief Information Officer SPITwSPOTS, www.spitwspots.com On 10/18/2014 10:15 AM, Rory Conaway via Af wrote: My philosophy as a business owner is to make the most money possible based on an ethical, moral, and legal foundation. At the same time, my competitors have the same profit margin goal but prioritize legal first. When competing against multi-billion dollar companies, you can't out-market them and when you become an annoyance, they just lower their price to drive you out of business. So we used price as the door opener. When CenturyLink found out we were offering pre-paid at $18 per month (they have to pay for the full year), they dropped their service to the same price. At $18 per month, you either have to have very low costs or limited service needs. Since few people need more than 5Mbps and can't tell the difference between 5Mbps and 150Mbps, we tell them if they can tell the difference, we will refund their service. I've lost 1 client in 7 years and that was before 802.11N. They aren't stupid and most customers who check see between 6-20Mbps. Customers who are part of our current expansion are seeing 40Mbps and should be at 50Mbps over the next week or so. That being said, times have changed and we will be offering new options such as higher speed video streaming packages for $6 per month more, higher security options, etc... Rory -Original Message- From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Tyler Treat via Af Sent: Saturday, October 18, 2014 10:04 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Random thought Rory- can your model be replicated on outside of suburbia? Aside from that, this really all goes back to your personal business philosophy. Are you trying to provide the absolute very best service possible - or - are you after the low hanging fruit? Get as many people as you can easily, and extract as much cash as possible from them. Somewhere in between the two? ___ Mangled by my iPhone. ___ Tyler Treat Corn Belt Technologies, Inc
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I don't disagree with your sentiment, but cable companies are offering stupid-fast plans now thanks to Google Fiber in more and more markets. Comcast is doubling speeds for free in some of their markets now. I doubt WISPs will ever win over the average residential customer who is eligible for cable and knows it (unless they're leaving on principle or something like that). Chris Wright Velociter Wireless -Original Message- From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of cstanners--- via Af Sent: Friday, October 17, 2014 4:43 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] Random thought It's interesting that we needed Ubiquiti to push forward the industry by creating a high-end/high-capacity backhaul at a very low price, and Cambium to do the same by creating a wifi-chip-based/value-priced PtMP and mid-capacity PtP system that has GPS sync and seems to work very well. A few years ago when Canopy was stuck at 14mbit FSK, I was wondering how the WISP industry would survive. Now with Canopy450 and those more cost-effective options, things are looking very competitive against DSL, and even some cable.
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Right, we won't beat the cable companies, but we can come close enough to take a big to us amount of their customers. If I had 10% of the market, I'd be throwing dollar bills out of my helicopter. (I reserve the right to use one dollar bills and an RC helicopter.) - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Chris Wright via Af af@afmug.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: Friday, October 17, 2014 6:50:08 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Random thought I don't disagree with your sentiment, but cable companies are offering stupid-fast plans now thanks to Google Fiber in more and more markets. Comcast is doubling speeds for free in some of their markets now. I doubt WISPs will ever win over the average residential customer who is eligible for cable and knows it (unless they're leaving on principle or something like that). Chris Wright Velociter Wireless -Original Message- From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of cstanners--- via Af Sent: Friday, October 17, 2014 4:43 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] Random thought It's interesting that we needed Ubiquiti to push forward the industry by creating a high-end/high-capacity backhaul at a very low price, and Cambium to do the same by creating a wifi-chip-based/value-priced PtMP and mid-capacity PtP system that has GPS sync and seems to work very well. A few years ago when Canopy was stuck at 14mbit FSK, I was wondering how the WISP industry would survive. Now with Canopy450 and those more cost-effective options, things are looking very competitive against DSL, and even some cable.
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Don't fret about what others are doing. Customers are always looking for alternatives, especially phone co. cable co. customers. Dan English Plexicomm - Internet Solutions d...@plexicomm.net | 1.866.759.4678 x103 Fax: 1.866.852.4688 | Emergency Support: 1.866.759.9713 -Original Message- From: Chris Wright via Af af@afmug.com To: af@afmug.com Date: 10/17/14 07:50 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Random thought I don't disagree with your sentiment, but cable companies are offering stupid-fast plans now thanks to Google Fiber in more and more markets. Comcast is doubling speeds for free in some of their markets now. I doubt WISPs will ever win over the average residential customer who is eligible for cable and knows it (unless they're leaving on principle or something like that). Chris Wright Velociter Wireless -Original Message- From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of cstanners--- via Af Sent: Friday, October 17, 2014 4:43 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] Random thought It's interesting that we needed Ubiquiti to push forward the industry by creating a high-end/high-capacity backhaul at a very low price, and Cambium to do the same by creating a wifi-chip-based/value-priced PtMP and mid-capacity PtP system that has GPS sync and seems to work very well. A few years ago when Canopy was stuck at 14mbit FSK, I was wondering how the WISP industry would survive. Now with Canopy450 and those more cost-effective options, things are looking very competitive against DSL, and even some cable.
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Yeah, even the 450 isn't fast enough to go up against a solid cable network on speed alone. On the other hand if you have any customer service at all, it's likely much better than Comcast. If you've ever had to deal with them you know what I mean - kind of like talking to a rock (OK, that might be insulting... to the rock). If Mimosa actually delivers on what they claim it could help considerably, however. On Friday, October 17, 2014, Chris Wright via Af af@afmug.com wrote: I don't disagree with your sentiment, but cable companies are offering stupid-fast plans now thanks to Google Fiber in more and more markets. Comcast is doubling speeds for free in some of their markets now. I doubt WISPs will ever win over the average residential customer who is eligible for cable and knows it (unless they're leaving on principle or something like that). Chris Wright Velociter Wireless -Original Message- From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com javascript:;] On Behalf Of cstanners--- via Af Sent: Friday, October 17, 2014 4:43 PM To: af@afmug.com javascript:; Subject: [AFMUG] Random thought It's interesting that we needed Ubiquiti to push forward the industry by creating a high-end/high-capacity backhaul at a very low price, and Cambium to do the same by creating a wifi-chip-based/value-priced PtMP and mid-capacity PtP system that has GPS sync and seems to work very well. A few years ago when Canopy was stuck at 14mbit FSK, I was wondering how the WISP industry would survive. Now with Canopy450 and those more cost-effective options, things are looking very competitive against DSL, and even some cable.
