[AFMUG] Tower lights & FCC rules

[Eric Muehleisen]

What's the rule on tower lights? If bulbs burn out, do you have a
grace period to fix it?

Re: [AFMUG] Tower lights & FCC rules

[Josh Luthman]

Contact the FAA immediately.  Then you get something like 3 weeks no harm
no foul.  More than that I think you can get an easy pass, just update
them.  The city nearby usually waits to get it fixed at the 20 day mark,
can't get it done that day, and then fix it after say 22 days.  This has
happened several times and they only get grief because there's an Air Force
Base about 10 minutes away.

Now in practice there's a 400' tower that we moved off of.  The lights
haven't worked for nearly a year.  The FAA and tower owner know, but
clearly don't care.


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Tue, Feb 9, 2016 at 11:24 AM, Eric Muehleisen  wrote:

> What's the rule on tower lights? If bulbs burn out, do you have a
> grace period to fix it?
>

Re: [AFMUG] Tower lights & FCC rules

[Ken Hohhof]

So unusual for a government regulatory agency.  Usually self-reporting is a 
get into jail card.



-Original Message- 
From: Chuck McCown

Sent: Tuesday, February 09, 2016 10:57 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Tower lights & FCC rules

The NOTAM is your get out of jail card.

-Original Message- 
From: Darren Shea

Sent: Tuesday, February 09, 2016 9:31 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Tower lights & FCC rules

Yes, but you need to contact the FAA to file a Notice to Airmen - that's how
you get your grace period.

https://oeaaa.faa.gov/oeaaa/external/content/lightOutageReporting.jsp

-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Eric Muehleisen
Sent: Tuesday, February 09, 2016 10:25 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] Tower lights & FCC rules

What's the rule on tower lights? If bulbs burn out, do you have a grace
period to fix it?

Re: [AFMUG] Tower lights & FCC rules

[Josh Luthman]

I'd strongly recommend notifying the FAA (not FCC) right away.  Simple CYA.


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Tue, Feb 9, 2016 at 11:31 AM, Eric Muehleisen  wrote:

> We're not too concerned with it. The lights just failed last night. We
> already have a tower crew dispatched. I'm just curious as to how long
> you realistically have before the FCC get's involved.
>
> On Tue, Feb 9, 2016 at 10:28 AM, Josh Luthman
>  wrote:
> > Contact the FAA immediately.  Then you get something like 3 weeks no
> harm no
> > foul.  More than that I think you can get an easy pass, just update them.
> > The city nearby usually waits to get it fixed at the 20 day mark, can't
> get
> > it done that day, and then fix it after say 22 days.  This has happened
> > several times and they only get grief because there's an Air Force Base
> > about 10 minutes away.
> >
> > Now in practice there's a 400' tower that we moved off of.  The lights
> > haven't worked for nearly a year.  The FAA and tower owner know, but
> clearly
> > don't care.
> >
> >
> > Josh Luthman
> > Office: 937-552-2340
> > Direct: 937-552-2343
> > 1100 Wayne St
> > Suite 1337
> > Troy, OH 45373
> >
> > On Tue, Feb 9, 2016 at 11:24 AM, Eric Muehleisen 
> wrote:
> >>
> >> What's the rule on tower lights? If bulbs burn out, do you have a
> >> grace period to fix it?
> >
> >
>

Re: [AFMUG] Tower lights & FCC rules

[Chuck McCown]

The NOTAM is your get out of jail card.

-Original Message- 
From: Darren Shea

Sent: Tuesday, February 09, 2016 9:31 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Tower lights & FCC rules

Yes, but you need to contact the FAA to file a Notice to Airmen - that's how 
you get your grace period.


https://oeaaa.faa.gov/oeaaa/external/content/lightOutageReporting.jsp

-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Eric Muehleisen
Sent: Tuesday, February 09, 2016 10:25 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] Tower lights & FCC rules

What's the rule on tower lights? If bulbs burn out, do you have a grace 
period to fix it?

Re: [AFMUG] Tower lights & FCC rules

[Darren Shea]

Yes, but you need to contact the FAA to file a Notice to Airmen - that's how 
you get your grace period.

https://oeaaa.faa.gov/oeaaa/external/content/lightOutageReporting.jsp

-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Eric Muehleisen
Sent: Tuesday, February 09, 2016 10:25 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] Tower lights & FCC rules

What's the rule on tower lights? If bulbs burn out, do you have a grace period 
to fix it?

Re: [AFMUG] Tower lights & FCC rules

[Eric Muehleisen]

We're not too concerned with it. The lights just failed last night. We
already have a tower crew dispatched. I'm just curious as to how long
you realistically have before the FCC get's involved.

On Tue, Feb 9, 2016 at 10:28 AM, Josh Luthman
 wrote:
> Contact the FAA immediately.  Then you get something like 3 weeks no harm no
> foul.  More than that I think you can get an easy pass, just update them.
> The city nearby usually waits to get it fixed at the 20 day mark, can't get
> it done that day, and then fix it after say 22 days.  This has happened
> several times and they only get grief because there's an Air Force Base
> about 10 minutes away.
>
> Now in practice there's a 400' tower that we moved off of.  The lights
> haven't worked for nearly a year.  The FAA and tower owner know, but clearly
> don't care.
>
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
> On Tue, Feb 9, 2016 at 11:24 AM, Eric Muehleisen  wrote:
>>
>> What's the rule on tower lights? If bulbs burn out, do you have a
>> grace period to fix it?
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Tower lights & FCC rules

[Jaime Solorza]

around here they jump on it quickBorder Patrol choppers for one fly
close to communication towers used by radio stations along the
riveralso all the cell towers on border highway which are 50 to 100 ft.
high have lights and some with strobes

Jaime Solorza
Wireless Systems Architect
915-861-1390

On Tue, Feb 9, 2016 at 9:32 AM, Josh Luthman 
wrote:

> I'd strongly recommend notifying the FAA (not FCC) right away.  Simple CYA.
>
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
> On Tue, Feb 9, 2016 at 11:31 AM, Eric Muehleisen 
> wrote:
>
>> We're not too concerned with it. The lights just failed last night. We
>> already have a tower crew dispatched. I'm just curious as to how long
>> you realistically have before the FCC get's involved.
>>
>> On Tue, Feb 9, 2016 at 10:28 AM, Josh Luthman
>>  wrote:
>> > Contact the FAA immediately.  Then you get something like 3 weeks no
>> harm no
>> > foul.  More than that I think you can get an easy pass, just update
>> them.
>> > The city nearby usually waits to get it fixed at the 20 day mark, can't
>> get
>> > it done that day, and then fix it after say 22 days.  This has happened
>> > several times and they only get grief because there's an Air Force Base
>> > about 10 minutes away.
>> >
>> > Now in practice there's a 400' tower that we moved off of.  The lights
>> > haven't worked for nearly a year.  The FAA and tower owner know, but
>> clearly
>> > don't care.
>> >
>> >
>> > Josh Luthman
>> > Office: 937-552-2340
>> > Direct: 937-552-2343
>> > 1100 Wayne St
>> > Suite 1337
>> > Troy, OH 45373
>> >
>> > On Tue, Feb 9, 2016 at 11:24 AM, Eric Muehleisen 
>> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> What's the rule on tower lights? If bulbs burn out, do you have a
>> >> grace period to fix it?
>> >
>> >
>>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Tower lights & FCC rules

[David]

FAA, Are the ones of real concern FCC wont care unless its a frequency 
thingy.



On 02/09/2016 10:32 AM, Josh Luthman wrote:
I'd strongly recommend notifying the FAA (not FCC) right away.  Simple 
CYA.



Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Tue, Feb 9, 2016 at 11:31 AM, Eric Muehleisen > wrote:


We're not too concerned with it. The lights just failed last night. We
already have a tower crew dispatched. I'm just curious as to how long
you realistically have before the FCC get's involved.

On Tue, Feb 9, 2016 at 10:28 AM, Josh Luthman
>
wrote:
> Contact the FAA immediately.  Then you get something like 3
weeks no harm no
> foul.  More than that I think you can get an easy pass, just
update them.
> The city nearby usually waits to get it fixed at the 20 day
mark, can't get
> it done that day, and then fix it after say 22 days. This has
happened
> several times and they only get grief because there's an Air
Force Base
> about 10 minutes away.
>
> Now in practice there's a 400' tower that we moved off of.  The
lights
> haven't worked for nearly a year.  The FAA and tower owner know,
but clearly
> don't care.
>
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340 
> Direct: 937-552-2343 
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
> On Tue, Feb 9, 2016 at 11:24 AM, Eric Muehleisen
> wrote:
>>
>> What's the rule on tower lights? If bulbs burn out, do you have a
>> grace period to fix it?
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Tower lights & FCC rules

[Chuck McCown]

FAA is nice in that respect.  They also have a NASA incident form that you 
can use to rat yourself out with as a pilot which will save  you too.


-Original Message- 
From: Ken Hohhof

Sent: Tuesday, February 09, 2016 10:09 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Tower lights & FCC rules

So unusual for a government regulatory agency.  Usually self-reporting is a
get into jail card.


-Original Message- 
From: Chuck McCown

Sent: Tuesday, February 09, 2016 10:57 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Tower lights & FCC rules

The NOTAM is your get out of jail card.

-Original Message- 
From: Darren Shea

Sent: Tuesday, February 09, 2016 9:31 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Tower lights & FCC rules

Yes, but you need to contact the FAA to file a Notice to Airmen - that's how
you get your grace period.

https://oeaaa.faa.gov/oeaaa/external/content/lightOutageReporting.jsp

-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Eric Muehleisen
Sent: Tuesday, February 09, 2016 10:25 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] Tower lights & FCC rules

What's the rule on tower lights? If bulbs burn out, do you have a grace
period to fix it?

Re: [AFMUG] Tower lights & FCC rules

[Jaime Solorza]

UFO report?
On Feb 9, 2016 10:11 AM, "Chuck McCown" <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:

> FAA is nice in that respect.  They also have a NASA incident form that you
> can use to rat yourself out with as a pilot which will save  you too.
>
> -Original Message- From: Ken Hohhof
> Sent: Tuesday, February 09, 2016 10:09 AM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Tower lights & FCC rules
>
> So unusual for a government regulatory agency.  Usually self-reporting is a
> get into jail card.
>
>
> -Original Message- From: Chuck McCown
> Sent: Tuesday, February 09, 2016 10:57 AM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Tower lights & FCC rules
>
> The NOTAM is your get out of jail card.
>
> -Original Message- From: Darren Shea
> Sent: Tuesday, February 09, 2016 9:31 AM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Tower lights & FCC rules
>
> Yes, but you need to contact the FAA to file a Notice to Airmen - that's
> how
> you get your grace period.
>
> https://oeaaa.faa.gov/oeaaa/external/content/lightOutageReporting.jsp
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Eric Muehleisen
> Sent: Tuesday, February 09, 2016 10:25 AM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: [AFMUG] Tower lights & FCC rules
>
> What's the rule on tower lights? If bulbs burn out, do you have a grace
> period to fix it?
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Tower lights & FCC rules

[Mike Hammett]

If it's the FAA's tower and you're trying to tell them that their own tower is 
having issues, you'll go in circles and circles until they say they don't have 
to light it at all because it's under 200'... when it is marked as 295' on the 
air navigation charts. 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 




- Original Message -

From: "Eric Muehleisen" <ericm...@gmail.com> 
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Tuesday, February 9, 2016 10:24:30 AM 
Subject: [AFMUG] Tower lights & FCC rules 

What's the rule on tower lights? If bulbs burn out, do you have a 
grace period to fix it?