Re: [AFMUG] 3.65 registration
What's her number? On 5/15/2015 11:22 AM, That One Guy /sarcasm wrote: call her On Fri, May 15, 2015 at 10:19 AM, Adam Moffett dmmoff...@gmail.com mailto:dmmoff...@gmail.com wrote: I have a bunch of pending 3.65ghz site registrations. What's the best way to find out what the hold up is? -- If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
Re: [AFMUG] 3.65 registration
Thank you Steve. On 5/15/2015 11:23 AM, That One Guy /sarcasm wrote: Cheryl Black Program Analyst Federal Communications Commission Wireless Telecommunications Bureau Broadband Division Telephone: 717-338-2617 Email: cheryl.bl...@fcc.gov mailto:cheryl.bl...@fcc.gov On Fri, May 15, 2015 at 10:22 AM, Adam Moffett dmmoff...@gmail.com mailto:dmmoff...@gmail.com wrote: What's her number? On 5/15/2015 11:22 AM, That One Guy /sarcasm wrote: call her On Fri, May 15, 2015 at 10:19 AM, Adam Moffett dmmoff...@gmail.com mailto:dmmoff...@gmail.com wrote: I have a bunch of pending 3.65ghz site registrations. What's the best way to find out what the hold up is? -- If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team. -- If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
Re: [AFMUG] 3.65 registration
Has anything registered after 4/17 been approved? as far as I can tell, they're all still sitting pending... I don't think the FCC even knows what we're supposed to be doing at this point. It does appear that they aren't granting anymore nationwide NN licenses - and I don't see any reason to think you could use existing 3.65 gear without one, so I suspect that only those of us with an existing license can deploy anything at this point... whether or not (or how) we're supposed to be registering anything new seems to be completely unclear. On Fri, May 15, 2015 at 10:39 AM, Ken Hohhof af...@kwisp.com wrote: Related question: do they even want us to register sites after April 17? I read the RO and I'm still unclear on that. I think Steve Coran's summary on the WISPA list said something along the lines of operators MAY continue to register locations after April 17, but they will not be grandfathered once the SAS comes onboard. Does MAY mean you can if you want to, but we no longer care? I think they make it pretty clear that operators can continue adding subscribers to existing basestations, just not clear if they still need to be registered on the now legacy NN licenses. And totally unclear (at least to my feeble brain) if it is legal to deploy new basestations, or for operators without a nationwide NN license to deploy anything at all. One interpretation would be that 3650-3700 is now effectively unlicensed until the SAS comes onboard, at which point equipment registered by 4/17/15 and operational by 4/17/16 (actually a geographic area around said equipment) will be grandfathered for X years to operate without SAS functionality in 3650-3700 but not 3550-3650. Everything else must have SAS functionality and get frequency assignments dynamically. Another interpretation would be if you didn't register your equipment by the deadline, you must now stand down until the SAS are available. Effectively putting the band in a holding pattern waiting for the SAS. -Original Message- From: Adam Moffett Sent: Friday, May 15, 2015 10:19 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] 3.65 registration I have a bunch of pending 3.65ghz site registrations. What's the best way to find out what the hold up is?
Re: [AFMUG] 3.65 registration
Cheryl Black Program Analyst Federal Communications Commission Wireless Telecommunications Bureau Broadband Division Telephone: 717-338-2617 Email: cheryl.bl...@fcc.gov On Fri, May 15, 2015 at 10:22 AM, Adam Moffett dmmoff...@gmail.com wrote: What's her number? On 5/15/2015 11:22 AM, That One Guy /sarcasm wrote: call her On Fri, May 15, 2015 at 10:19 AM, Adam Moffett dmmoff...@gmail.com wrote: I have a bunch of pending 3.65ghz site registrations. What's the best way to find out what the hold up is? -- If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team. -- If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
Re: [AFMUG] 3.65 registration
call her On Fri, May 15, 2015 at 10:19 AM, Adam Moffett dmmoff...@gmail.com wrote: I have a bunch of pending 3.65ghz site registrations. What's the best way to find out what the hold up is? -- If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
Re: [AFMUG] 3.65 registration
I wonder if it has to do with the new rule changes coming for 3.55-3.8 ? On 05/15/2015 10:28 AM, Adam Moffett wrote: Thank you Steve. On 5/15/2015 11:23 AM, That One Guy /sarcasm wrote: Cheryl Black Program Analyst Federal Communications Commission Wireless Telecommunications Bureau Broadband Division Telephone: 717-338-2617 Email: cheryl.bl...@fcc.gov mailto:cheryl.bl...@fcc.gov On Fri, May 15, 2015 at 10:22 AM, Adam Moffett dmmoff...@gmail.com mailto:dmmoff...@gmail.com wrote: What's her number? On 5/15/2015 11:22 AM, That One Guy /sarcasm wrote: call her On Fri, May 15, 2015 at 10:19 AM, Adam Moffett dmmoff...@gmail.com mailto:dmmoff...@gmail.com wrote: I have a bunch of pending 3.65ghz site registrations. What's the best way to find out what the hold up is? -- If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team. -- If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
Re: [AFMUG] 3.65 registration
my brain just fell out of my eye On Fri, May 15, 2015 at 10:41 AM, David dmilho...@wletc.com wrote: I wonder if it has to do with the new rule changes coming for 3.55-3.8 ? On 05/15/2015 10:28 AM, Adam Moffett wrote: Thank you Steve. On 5/15/2015 11:23 AM, That One Guy /sarcasm wrote: Cheryl Black Program Analyst Federal Communications Commission Wireless Telecommunications Bureau Broadband Division Telephone: 717-338-2617 Email: cheryl.bl...@fcc.gov On Fri, May 15, 2015 at 10:22 AM, Adam Moffett dmmoff...@gmail.com wrote: What's her number? On 5/15/2015 11:22 AM, That One Guy /sarcasm wrote: call her On Fri, May 15, 2015 at 10:19 AM, Adam Moffett dmmoff...@gmail.com wrote: I have a bunch of pending 3.65ghz site registrations. What's the best way to find out what the hold up is? -- If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team. -- If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team. -- If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
Re: [AFMUG] 3.65 registration
These were all submitted the week prior to April 17th. I heard there were a lot of registrations that week. On 5/15/2015 11:39 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote: Related question: do they even want us to register sites after April 17? I read the RO and I'm still unclear on that. I think Steve Coran's summary on the WISPA list said something along the lines of operators MAY continue to register locations after April 17, but they will not be grandfathered once the SAS comes onboard. Does MAY mean you can if you want to, but we no longer care? I think they make it pretty clear that operators can continue adding subscribers to existing basestations, just not clear if they still need to be registered on the now legacy NN licenses. And totally unclear (at least to my feeble brain) if it is legal to deploy new basestations, or for operators without a nationwide NN license to deploy anything at all. One interpretation would be that 3650-3700 is now effectively unlicensed until the SAS comes onboard, at which point equipment registered by 4/17/15 and operational by 4/17/16 (actually a geographic area around said equipment) will be grandfathered for X years to operate without SAS functionality in 3650-3700 but not 3550-3650. Everything else must have SAS functionality and get frequency assignments dynamically. Another interpretation would be if you didn't register your equipment by the deadline, you must now stand down until the SAS are available. Effectively putting the band in a holding pattern waiting for the SAS. -Original Message- From: Adam Moffett Sent: Friday, May 15, 2015 10:19 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] 3.65 registration I have a bunch of pending 3.65ghz site registrations. What's the best way to find out what the hold up is?
Re: [AFMUG] 3.65 registration
I submitted like 5 of them on 4/13, all still pending. We have installed a few more subs since then, I have not bothered submitting them since I'm unclear if the FCC even wants us to continue doing that or will ever process the applications. As far as the flood of applications in the week before April 17, there are 2 explanations: 1) Catching up on paperwork for sites that were already installed and operational. (Because, of course, everyone waits for the application to be approved before installing the customer.) 2) A land grab to grandfather fictitious sites, many of which won't even be built out within a year. I think it was a lot of #1 and a little bit of #2. The FCC thinks it was all #2. We can't really argue, that would require admitting that we went ahead and installed the customer without waiting for the FCC lady to rubber stamp the application. I mean Geez Louise, even the DMV gives you a temporary license plate so you can drive your new car home from the dealer. I think the reason the Empire made the fully operational Death Star look half finished, was they were still waiting for their FCC license to be approved. -Original Message- From: Adam Moffett Sent: Friday, May 15, 2015 10:46 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 3.65 registration These were all submitted the week prior to April 17th. I heard there were a lot of registrations that week. On 5/15/2015 11:39 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote: Related question: do they even want us to register sites after April 17? I read the RO and I'm still unclear on that. I think Steve Coran's summary on the WISPA list said something along the lines of operators MAY continue to register locations after April 17, but they will not be grandfathered once the SAS comes onboard. Does MAY mean you can if you want to, but we no longer care? I think they make it pretty clear that operators can continue adding subscribers to existing basestations, just not clear if they still need to be registered on the now legacy NN licenses. And totally unclear (at least to my feeble brain) if it is legal to deploy new basestations, or for operators without a nationwide NN license to deploy anything at all. One interpretation would be that 3650-3700 is now effectively unlicensed until the SAS comes onboard, at which point equipment registered by 4/17/15 and operational by 4/17/16 (actually a geographic area around said equipment) will be grandfathered for X years to operate without SAS functionality in 3650-3700 but not 3550-3650. Everything else must have SAS functionality and get frequency assignments dynamically. Another interpretation would be if you didn't register your equipment by the deadline, you must now stand down until the SAS are available. Effectively putting the band in a holding pattern waiting for the SAS. -Original Message- From: Adam Moffett Sent: Friday, May 15, 2015 10:19 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] 3.65 registration I have a bunch of pending 3.65ghz site registrations. What's the best way to find out what the hold up is?
Re: [AFMUG] 3.65 registration
3) We have a contract with the state *requiring* us to build a bunch of sites this summer. I registered them all a few months early because of the uncertainty of what would happen after 4/17. On 5/15/2015 12:09 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote: I submitted like 5 of them on 4/13, all still pending. We have installed a few more subs since then, I have not bothered submitting them since I'm unclear if the FCC even wants us to continue doing that or will ever process the applications. As far as the flood of applications in the week before April 17, there are 2 explanations: 1) Catching up on paperwork for sites that were already installed and operational. (Because, of course, everyone waits for the application to be approved before installing the customer.) 2) A land grab to grandfather fictitious sites, many of which won't even be built out within a year. I think it was a lot of #1 and a little bit of #2. The FCC thinks it was all #2. We can't really argue, that would require admitting that we went ahead and installed the customer without waiting for the FCC lady to rubber stamp the application. I mean Geez Louise, even the DMV gives you a temporary license plate so you can drive your new car home from the dealer. I think the reason the Empire made the fully operational Death Star look half finished, was they were still waiting for their FCC license to be approved. -Original Message- From: Adam Moffett Sent: Friday, May 15, 2015 10:46 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 3.65 registration These were all submitted the week prior to April 17th. I heard there were a lot of registrations that week. On 5/15/2015 11:39 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote: Related question: do they even want us to register sites after April 17? I read the RO and I'm still unclear on that. I think Steve Coran's summary on the WISPA list said something along the lines of operators MAY continue to register locations after April 17, but they will not be grandfathered once the SAS comes onboard. Does MAY mean you can if you want to, but we no longer care? I think they make it pretty clear that operators can continue adding subscribers to existing basestations, just not clear if they still need to be registered on the now legacy NN licenses. And totally unclear (at least to my feeble brain) if it is legal to deploy new basestations, or for operators without a nationwide NN license to deploy anything at all. One interpretation would be that 3650-3700 is now effectively unlicensed until the SAS comes onboard, at which point equipment registered by 4/17/15 and operational by 4/17/16 (actually a geographic area around said equipment) will be grandfathered for X years to operate without SAS functionality in 3650-3700 but not 3550-3650. Everything else must have SAS functionality and get frequency assignments dynamically. Another interpretation would be if you didn't register your equipment by the deadline, you must now stand down until the SAS are available. Effectively putting the band in a holding pattern waiting for the SAS. -Original Message- From: Adam Moffett Sent: Friday, May 15, 2015 10:19 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] 3.65 registration I have a bunch of pending 3.65ghz site registrations. What's the best way to find out what the hold up is?
Re: [AFMUG] 3.65 registration
I registered some sites the week before the cutoff that we actually have built out since... normally I wouldn't have done it until after it was installed, like a normal person. Fortunately, I had finally gotten around to making sure all of our existing sites were registered properly a few weeks before that. I did register one site that we have planned which may not actually happen, but I wanted to have the option of putting it up without having to deal with what's going on now. On Fri, May 15, 2015 at 11:26 AM, Adam Moffett dmmoff...@gmail.com wrote: 3) We have a contract with the state *requiring* us to build a bunch of sites this summer. I registered them all a few months early because of the uncertainty of what would happen after 4/17. On 5/15/2015 12:09 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote: I submitted like 5 of them on 4/13, all still pending. We have installed a few more subs since then, I have not bothered submitting them since I'm unclear if the FCC even wants us to continue doing that or will ever process the applications. As far as the flood of applications in the week before April 17, there are 2 explanations: 1) Catching up on paperwork for sites that were already installed and operational. (Because, of course, everyone waits for the application to be approved before installing the customer.) 2) A land grab to grandfather fictitious sites, many of which won't even be built out within a year. I think it was a lot of #1 and a little bit of #2. The FCC thinks it was all #2. We can't really argue, that would require admitting that we went ahead and installed the customer without waiting for the FCC lady to rubber stamp the application. I mean Geez Louise, even the DMV gives you a temporary license plate so you can drive your new car home from the dealer. I think the reason the Empire made the fully operational Death Star look half finished, was they were still waiting for their FCC license to be approved. -Original Message- From: Adam Moffett Sent: Friday, May 15, 2015 10:46 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 3.65 registration These were all submitted the week prior to April 17th. I heard there were a lot of registrations that week. On 5/15/2015 11:39 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote: Related question: do they even want us to register sites after April 17? I read the RO and I'm still unclear on that. I think Steve Coran's summary on the WISPA list said something along the lines of operators MAY continue to register locations after April 17, but they will not be grandfathered once the SAS comes onboard. Does MAY mean you can if you want to, but we no longer care? I think they make it pretty clear that operators can continue adding subscribers to existing basestations, just not clear if they still need to be registered on the now legacy NN licenses. And totally unclear (at least to my feeble brain) if it is legal to deploy new basestations, or for operators without a nationwide NN license to deploy anything at all. One interpretation would be that 3650-3700 is now effectively unlicensed until the SAS comes onboard, at which point equipment registered by 4/17/15 and operational by 4/17/16 (actually a geographic area around said equipment) will be grandfathered for X years to operate without SAS functionality in 3650-3700 but not 3550-3650. Everything else must have SAS functionality and get frequency assignments dynamically. Another interpretation would be if you didn't register your equipment by the deadline, you must now stand down until the SAS are available. Effectively putting the band in a holding pattern waiting for the SAS. -Original Message- From: Adam Moffett Sent: Friday, May 15, 2015 10:19 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] 3.65 registration I have a bunch of pending 3.65ghz site registrations. What's the best way to find out what the hold up is?
Re: [AFMUG] 3.65 registration
From the horse's mouth: That would be fine. You might want to add to that the caveat that whatever you register must be built out within 12 months. *From:*Adam Moffett [mailto:ad...@clarityconnect.com] *Sent:* Friday, May 15, 2015 1:35 PM *To:* John Lambert *Subject:* Re: Pending registrations Can I share the paragraph below with some colleagues in the industry? It might put some speculation to rest for other people. On 5/15/2015 1:31 PM, John Lambert wrote: Adam, I’m certain that you don’t have anything to worry about. I see that your applications have a receipt date of 4/16/15, which is obviously before the vote was taken on the 17^th . Cheryl is working her way through these. Even if you filed a registration today it could be accepted, the location would just not be used in determining your protection contour. That’s all the 17^th means. We just won’t be granting any new nationwide licenses in this service. You can still register sites. Thanks, John
Re: [AFMUG] 3.65 registration
867 5309 Jaime Solorza On May 15, 2015 9:23 AM, Adam Moffett dmmoff...@gmail.com wrote: What's her number? On 5/15/2015 11:22 AM, That One Guy /sarcasm wrote: call her On Fri, May 15, 2015 at 10:19 AM, Adam Moffett dmmoff...@gmail.com wrote: I have a bunch of pending 3.65ghz site registrations. What's the best way to find out what the hold up is? -- If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
