Re: [AFMUG] Mikrotik Bridging VLans

2016-06-28 Thread Chris Wright 
On your Mikrotik bridge, you’ll want to make sure all your VLANs are bridged 
and no Horizon.

I tried something similar…
Mikrotik Core -> Fiber VLAN Trunk up tower -> Netonix -> Port based Untagged 
VLANs to APs

All the APs and the Core on the same subnet and they’ll talked to each other 
fine, like it was all one happy bridge (because it was). Upload/Download 
traffic was easily discernable from the Mikrotik because each had its own VLAN. 
No need to configure subnets for each access point and the SMs connected to 
them. I was never able to get Queues working on the VLANS on an individual 
basis though. Packet marks were unreliable (in both the IP Firewall and the 
Bridge Firewall), Simple Queues don’t recognize VLAN interfaces (nor do 
Interface Queues, for that matter). Torching the VLAN interface worked after 
adding MAC Protocol to the filter, as by the time it hit the VLAN it had gone 
through the pppoe server on the VLAN bridge.

Admittedly, it’s a pretty weird way to break up traffic on one’s core router 
per AP.

Chris Wright
Network Administrator
Velociter Wireless
209-838-1221 x115

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Mathew Howard
Sent: Tuesday, June 28, 2016 10:33 AM
To: af
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Mikrotik Bridging VLans

The closest thing to a MikroTik switch with PoE out is an RB750UP or 
PowerBox... which could do the job, but they're missing some abilities an 
Edgepoint has - primarily GigE and an SFP port.

On Tue, Jun 28, 2016 at 11:18 AM, Adam Moffett 
<dmmoff...@gmail.com<mailto:dmmoff...@gmail.com>> wrote:
Sounds like you're separating the traffic at L2 just to bring it back together.

If you want torch on each AP port, how about a mikrotik switch with PoE out?  
Those existI think...

I have no experience with UBNT switches, but if it doesn't provide the tools 
you need for troubleshooting, then it's not what you want.

-- Original Message --
From: "Nate Burke" <n...@blastcomm.com<mailto:n...@blastcomm.com>>
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Sent: 6/28/2016 11:52:56 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Mikrotik Bridging VLans

Ok, so I'm hearing "the way you're doing it is wrong"  Is there a better way?  
Or just let the R6 act as a dumb switch, and then log into that to try to 
troubleshoot any per port issues.
On 6/28/2016 10:49 AM, Josh Reynolds wrote:

I think you have a fundamental misunderstanding of the purpose of vlans...
On Jun 28, 2016 10:48 AM, "Nate Burke" 
<n...@blastcomm.com<mailto:n...@blastcomm.com>> wrote:
Then how do I get all the Ports on the Edgepoint to share the same IP Space?
On 6/28/2016 10:45 AM, Mike Hammett wrote:
*nods* just leave the VLANs as native interfaces on the Mikrotik. No need to 
bridge them.


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From: "Josh Reynolds" mailto:j...@kyneticwifi.com
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Sent: Tuesday, June 28, 2016 10:44:28 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Mikrotik Bridging VLans

It doesn't like that you're bridging all these vlans. From experience, it's 
nothing but broken-ness.

You can still torch each vlan interface you know.
On Jun 28, 2016 10:42 AM, "Nate Burke" 
<n...@blastcomm.com<mailto:n...@blastcomm.com>> wrote:
I'm working on the bench with a UBNT Edgepoint (R6 model)  The newest firmware 
allows you to set per port untagged Vlans in switch mode.  I'm thinking of 
using this to power a cluster of AP's, but I'd like to keep the ability to view 
per port traffic in the mikrotik via Torch for monitoring/troubleshooting 
purposes.  My Plan was to put each port on the R6 on a different Vlan, Have a 
Trunk port to the mikrotik, then just bridge the Vlans together in the 
Mikrotik.  This mostly works, as the Mikrotik can talk to each AP, but the AP's 
cannot ping each other, and it seems that I have random packet loss from

Re: [AFMUG] Mikrotik Bridging VLans

2016-06-28 Thread Mathew Howard 
The closest thing to a MikroTik switch with PoE out is an RB750UP or
PowerBox... which could do the job, but they're missing some abilities an
Edgepoint has - primarily GigE and an SFP port.

On Tue, Jun 28, 2016 at 11:18 AM, Adam Moffett <dmmoff...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Sounds like you're separating the traffic at L2 just to bring it back
> together.
>
> If you want torch on each AP port, how about a mikrotik switch with PoE
> out?  Those exist*I think*...
>
> I have no experience with UBNT switches, but if it doesn't provide the
> tools you need for troubleshooting, then it's not what you want.
>
> -- Original Message --
> From: "Nate Burke" <n...@blastcomm.com>
> To: af@afmug.com
> Sent: 6/28/2016 11:52:56 AM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Mikrotik Bridging VLans
>
>
> Ok, so I'm hearing "the way you're doing it is wrong"  Is there a better
> way?  Or just let the R6 act as a dumb switch, and then log into that to
> try to troubleshoot any per port issues.
>
> On 6/28/2016 10:49 AM, Josh Reynolds wrote:
>
> I think you have a fundamental misunderstanding of the purpose of vlans...
> On Jun 28, 2016 10:48 AM, "Nate Burke" <n...@blastcomm.com> wrote:
>
>> Then how do I get all the Ports on the Edgepoint to share the same IP
>> Space?
>>
>> On 6/28/2016 10:45 AM, Mike Hammett wrote:
>>
>> *nods* just leave the VLANs as native interfaces on the Mikrotik. No need
>> to bridge them.
>>
>>
>>
>> -
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>> *From: *"Josh Reynolds" mailto:j...@kyneticwifi.com
>> <j...@kyneticwifi.com>
>> *To: *af@afmug.com
>> *Sent: *Tuesday, June 28, 2016 10:44:28 AM
>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Mikrotik Bridging VLans
>>
>> It doesn't like that you're bridging all these vlans. From experience,
>> it's nothing but broken-ness.
>>
>> You can still torch each vlan interface you know.
>> On Jun 28, 2016 10:42 AM, "Nate Burke" <n...@blastcomm.com> wrote:
>>
>>> I'm working on the bench with a UBNT Edgepoint (R6 model)  The newest
>>> firmware allows you to set per port untagged Vlans in switch mode.  I'm
>>> thinking of using this to power a cluster of AP's, but I'd like to keep the
>>> ability to view per port traffic in the mikrotik via Torch for
>>> monitoring/troubleshooting purposes.  My Plan was to put each port on the
>>> R6 on a different Vlan, Have a Trunk port to the mikrotik, then just bridge
>>> the Vlans together in the Mikrotik.  This mostly works, as the Mikrotik can
>>> talk to each AP, but the AP's cannot ping each other, and it seems that I
>>> have random packet loss from the Mikrotik to the AP's.  Is there a setting
>>> I'm missing that's blocking the traffic between Vlans, or is this a
>>> Edgepoint problem?  Or does it not like that I'm bridging all these Vlans
>>> that are on the same Mikrotik interface.
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Mikrotik Bridging VLans

2016-06-28 Thread Mike Hammett 
The EdgePoint is wasting my attention span. ;-) 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 




- Original Message -

From: "Josh Reynolds" <j...@kyneticwifi.com> 
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Tuesday, June 28, 2016 11:01:55 AM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Mikrotik Bridging VLans 


Yo be fair, you're pretty much wasting many of the capabilities of the 
edgepoint, but you can do it that way if you want, or use Mike's suggestion. 
On Jun 28, 2016 10:52 AM, "Nate Burke" < n...@blastcomm.com > wrote: 



Ok, so I'm hearing "the way you're doing it is wrong" Is there a better way? Or 
just let the R6 act as a dumb switch, and then log into that to try to 
troubleshoot any per port issues. 


On 6/28/2016 10:49 AM, Josh Reynolds wrote: 



I think you have a fundamental misunderstanding of the purpose of vlans... 
On Jun 28, 2016 10:48 AM, "Nate Burke" < n...@blastcomm.com > wrote: 



Then how do I get all the Ports on the Edgepoint to share the same IP Space? 


On 6/28/2016 10:45 AM, Mike Hammett wrote: 



*nods* just leave the VLANs as native interfaces on the Mikrotik. No need to 
bridge them. 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 






From: "Josh Reynolds" <j...@kyneticwifi.com> 
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Tuesday, June 28, 2016 10:44:28 AM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Mikrotik Bridging VLans 


It doesn't like that you're bridging all these vlans. From experience, it's 
nothing but broken-ness. 
You can still torch each vlan interface you know. 
On Jun 28, 2016 10:42 AM, "Nate Burke" < n...@blastcomm.com > wrote: 


I'm working on the bench with a UBNT Edgepoint (R6 model) The newest firmware 
allows you to set per port untagged Vlans in switch mode. I'm thinking of using 
this to power a cluster of AP's, but I'd like to keep the ability to view per 
port traffic in the mikrotik via Torch for monitoring/troubleshooting purposes. 
My Plan was to put each port on the R6 on a different Vlan, Have a Trunk port 
to the mikrotik, then just bridge the Vlans together in the Mikrotik. This 
mostly works, as the Mikrotik can talk to each AP, but the AP's cannot ping 
each other, and it seems that I have random packet loss from the Mikrotik to 
the AP's. Is there a setting I'm missing that's blocking the traffic between 
Vlans, or is this a Edgepoint problem? Or does it not like that I'm bridging 
all these Vlans that are on the same Mikrotik interface.

Re: [AFMUG] Mikrotik Bridging VLans

2016-06-28 Thread Adam Moffett 
Sounds like you're separating the traffic at L2 just to bring it back 
together.


If you want torch on each AP port, how about a mikrotik switch with PoE 
out?  Those existI think...


I have no experience with UBNT switches, but if it doesn't provide the 
tools you need for troubleshooting, then it's not what you want.


-- Original Message --
From: "Nate Burke" <n...@blastcomm.com>
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: 6/28/2016 11:52:56 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Mikrotik Bridging VLans

Ok, so I'm hearing "the way you're doing it is wrong"  Is there a 
better way?  Or just let the R6 act as a dumb switch, and then log into 
that to try to troubleshoot any per port issues.


On 6/28/2016 10:49 AM, Josh Reynolds wrote:
I think you have a fundamental misunderstanding of the purpose of 
vlans...


On Jun 28, 2016 10:48 AM, "Nate Burke" <n...@blastcomm.com> wrote:
Then how do I get all the Ports on the Edgepoint to share the same IP 
Space?


On 6/28/2016 10:45 AM, Mike Hammett wrote:
*nods* just leave the VLANs as native interfaces on the Mikrotik. No 
need to bridge them.




-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions

Midwest Internet Exchange

The Brothers WISP





From: "Josh Reynolds" mailto:j...@kyneticwifi.com
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Tuesday, June 28, 2016 10:44:28 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Mikrotik Bridging VLans

It doesn't like that you're bridging all these vlans. From 
experience, it's nothing but broken-ness.


You can still torch each vlan interface you know.

On Jun 28, 2016 10:42 AM, "Nate Burke" <n...@blastcomm.com> wrote:
I'm working on the bench with a UBNT Edgepoint (R6 model)  The 
newest firmware allows you to set per port untagged Vlans in switch 
mode.  I'm thinking of using this to power a cluster of AP's, but 
I'd like to keep the ability to view per port traffic in the 
mikrotik via Torch for monitoring/troubleshooting purposes.  My 
Plan was to put each port on the R6 on a different Vlan, Have a 
Trunk port to the mikrotik, then just bridge the Vlans together in 
the Mikrotik.  This mostly works, as the Mikrotik can talk to each 
AP, but the AP's cannot ping each other, and it seems that I have 
random packet loss from the Mikrotik to the AP's.  Is there a 
setting I'm missing that's blocking the traffic between Vlans, or 
is this a Edgepoint problem?  Or does it not like that I'm bridging 
all these Vlans that are on the same Mikrotik interface.

Re: [AFMUG] Mikrotik Bridging VLans

2016-06-28 Thread Chuck McCown 
Always a good idea to have a separate VLAN per AP routed to its own router port 
in my experience.  

From: Erich Kaiser 
Sent: Tuesday, June 28, 2016 10:01 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Mikrotik Bridging VLans

I think what they are saying is if you are not currently setup for vlans per 
ap, then it probably doesn't make sense, just adds more complexity.  I see your 
point to separate traffic down to the Mikrotik so you can torch local traffic 
to AP. 

So you would have something like this  Mikrotik (Customer Bridge where DHCP 
server resides) bridged to vlan which is then tagged through to untagged port 
on R6?  This would allow you to monitor ap traffic on a per vlan basis on the 
MIkrotik. 

Now I feel confused LOL


 


Erich Kaiser 
North Central Tower
er...@northcentraltower.com
Office: 630-621-4804
Cell: 630-777-9291


On Tue, Jun 28, 2016 at 10:52 AM, Nate Burke <n...@blastcomm.com> wrote:

  Ok, so I'm hearing "the way you're doing it is wrong"  Is there a better way? 
 Or just let the R6 act as a dumb switch, and then log into that to try to 
troubleshoot any per port issues.


  On 6/28/2016 10:49 AM, Josh Reynolds wrote:

I think you have a fundamental misunderstanding of the purpose of vlans...

On Jun 28, 2016 10:48 AM, "Nate Burke" <n...@blastcomm.com> wrote:

  Then how do I get all the Ports on the Edgepoint to share the same IP 
Space?


  On 6/28/2016 10:45 AM, Mike Hammett wrote:

*nods* just leave the VLANs as native interfaces on the Mikrotik. No 
need to bridge them.




-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions

Midwest Internet Exchange

The Brothers WISP








From: "Josh Reynolds" mailto:j...@kyneticwifi.com
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Tuesday, June 28, 2016 10:44:28 AM
    Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Mikrotik Bridging VLans


It doesn't like that you're bridging all these vlans. From experience, 
it's nothing but broken-ness.

You can still torch each vlan interface you know.

On Jun 28, 2016 10:42 AM, "Nate Burke" <n...@blastcomm.com> wrote:

  I'm working on the bench with a UBNT Edgepoint (R6 model)  The newest 
firmware allows you to set per port untagged Vlans in switch mode.  I'm 
thinking of using this to power a cluster of AP's, but I'd like to keep the 
ability to view per port traffic in the mikrotik via Torch for 
monitoring/troubleshooting purposes.  My Plan was to put each port on the R6 on 
a different Vlan, Have a Trunk port to the mikrotik, then just bridge the Vlans 
together in the Mikrotik.  This mostly works, as the Mikrotik can talk to each 
AP, but the AP's cannot ping each other, and it seems that I have random packet 
loss from the Mikrotik to the AP's.  Is there a setting I'm missing that's 
blocking the traffic between Vlans, or is this a Edgepoint problem?  Or does it 
not like that I'm bridging all these Vlans that are on the same Mikrotik 
interface.

Re: [AFMUG] Mikrotik Bridging VLans

2016-06-28 Thread Josh Reynolds 
Yo be fair, you're pretty much wasting many of the capabilities of the
edgepoint, but you can do it that way if you want, or use Mike's suggestion.
On Jun 28, 2016 10:52 AM, "Nate Burke" <n...@blastcomm.com> wrote:

> Ok, so I'm hearing "the way you're doing it is wrong"  Is there a better
> way?  Or just let the R6 act as a dumb switch, and then log into that to
> try to troubleshoot any per port issues.
>
> On 6/28/2016 10:49 AM, Josh Reynolds wrote:
>
> I think you have a fundamental misunderstanding of the purpose of vlans...
> On Jun 28, 2016 10:48 AM, "Nate Burke" <n...@blastcomm.com> wrote:
>
>> Then how do I get all the Ports on the Edgepoint to share the same IP
>> Space?
>>
>> On 6/28/2016 10:45 AM, Mike Hammett wrote:
>>
>> *nods* just leave the VLANs as native interfaces on the Mikrotik. No need
>> to bridge them.
>>
>>
>>
>> -
>> Mike Hammett
>> Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/>
>> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL>
>> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb>
>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions>
>> <https://twitter.com/ICSIL>
>> Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/>
>> <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix>
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>> <https://twitter.com/mdwestix>
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>> <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp>
>>
>>
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>> --
>> *From: *"Josh Reynolds" <j...@kyneticwifi.com> <j...@kyneticwifi.com>
>> *To: *af@afmug.com
>> *Sent: *Tuesday, June 28, 2016 10:44:28 AM
>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Mikrotik Bridging VLans
>>
>> It doesn't like that you're bridging all these vlans. From experience,
>> it's nothing but broken-ness.
>>
>> You can still torch each vlan interface you know.
>> On Jun 28, 2016 10:42 AM, "Nate Burke" <n...@blastcomm.com> wrote:
>>
>>> I'm working on the bench with a UBNT Edgepoint (R6 model)  The newest
>>> firmware allows you to set per port untagged Vlans in switch mode.  I'm
>>> thinking of using this to power a cluster of AP's, but I'd like to keep the
>>> ability to view per port traffic in the mikrotik via Torch for
>>> monitoring/troubleshooting purposes.  My Plan was to put each port on the
>>> R6 on a different Vlan, Have a Trunk port to the mikrotik, then just bridge
>>> the Vlans together in the Mikrotik.  This mostly works, as the Mikrotik can
>>> talk to each AP, but the AP's cannot ping each other, and it seems that I
>>> have random packet loss from the Mikrotik to the AP's.  Is there a setting
>>> I'm missing that's blocking the traffic between Vlans, or is this a
>>> Edgepoint problem?  Or does it not like that I'm bridging all these Vlans
>>> that are on the same Mikrotik interface.
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Mikrotik Bridging VLans

2016-06-28 Thread Erich Kaiser 
I think what they are saying is if you are not currently setup for vlans
per ap, then it probably doesn't make sense, just adds more complexity.  I
see your point to separate traffic down to the Mikrotik so you can torch
local traffic to AP.

So you would have something like this  Mikrotik (Customer Bridge where DHCP
server resides) bridged to vlan which is then tagged through to untagged
port on R6?  This would allow you to monitor ap traffic on a per vlan basis
on the MIkrotik.

Now I feel confused LOL





Erich Kaiser
North Central Tower
er...@northcentraltower.com
Office: 630-621-4804
Cell: 630-777-9291


On Tue, Jun 28, 2016 at 10:52 AM, Nate Burke <n...@blastcomm.com> wrote:

> Ok, so I'm hearing "the way you're doing it is wrong"  Is there a better
> way?  Or just let the R6 act as a dumb switch, and then log into that to
> try to troubleshoot any per port issues.
>
> On 6/28/2016 10:49 AM, Josh Reynolds wrote:
>
> I think you have a fundamental misunderstanding of the purpose of vlans...
> On Jun 28, 2016 10:48 AM, "Nate Burke" <n...@blastcomm.com> wrote:
>
>> Then how do I get all the Ports on the Edgepoint to share the same IP
>> Space?
>>
>> On 6/28/2016 10:45 AM, Mike Hammett wrote:
>>
>> *nods* just leave the VLANs as native interfaces on the Mikrotik. No need
>> to bridge them.
>>
>>
>>
>> -
>> Mike Hammett
>> Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/>
>> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL>
>> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb>
>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions>
>> <https://twitter.com/ICSIL>
>> Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/>
>> <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix>
>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange>
>> <https://twitter.com/mdwestix>
>> The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/>
>> <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp>
>>
>>
>> <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg>
>> --
>> *From: *"Josh Reynolds" <j...@kyneticwifi.com> <j...@kyneticwifi.com>
>> *To: *af@afmug.com
>> *Sent: *Tuesday, June 28, 2016 10:44:28 AM
>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Mikrotik Bridging VLans
>>
>> It doesn't like that you're bridging all these vlans. From experience,
>> it's nothing but broken-ness.
>>
>> You can still torch each vlan interface you know.
>> On Jun 28, 2016 10:42 AM, "Nate Burke" <n...@blastcomm.com> wrote:
>>
>>> I'm working on the bench with a UBNT Edgepoint (R6 model)  The newest
>>> firmware allows you to set per port untagged Vlans in switch mode.  I'm
>>> thinking of using this to power a cluster of AP's, but I'd like to keep the
>>> ability to view per port traffic in the mikrotik via Torch for
>>> monitoring/troubleshooting purposes.  My Plan was to put each port on the
>>> R6 on a different Vlan, Have a Trunk port to the mikrotik, then just bridge
>>> the Vlans together in the Mikrotik.  This mostly works, as the Mikrotik can
>>> talk to each AP, but the AP's cannot ping each other, and it seems that I
>>> have random packet loss from the Mikrotik to the AP's.  Is there a setting
>>> I'm missing that's blocking the traffic between Vlans, or is this a
>>> Edgepoint problem?  Or does it not like that I'm bridging all these Vlans
>>> that are on the same Mikrotik interface.
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Mikrotik Bridging VLans

2016-06-28 Thread Mike Hammett 
I have every radio on a routed interface. It has a static, RFC1918 address in a 
subnet unique to that interface. Any interface I setup a PPPoE server on 
assigns an address from a common prefix for that tower. 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 




- Original Message -

From: "Nate Burke" <n...@blastcomm.com> 
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Tuesday, June 28, 2016 10:48:36 AM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Mikrotik Bridging VLans 

Then how do I get all the Ports on the Edgepoint to share the same IP Space? 


On 6/28/2016 10:45 AM, Mike Hammett wrote: 



*nods* just leave the VLANs as native interfaces on the Mikrotik. No need to 
bridge them. 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 




- Original Message -

From: "Josh Reynolds" <j...@kyneticwifi.com> 
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Tuesday, June 28, 2016 10:44:28 AM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Mikrotik Bridging VLans 


It doesn't like that you're bridging all these vlans. From experience, it's 
nothing but broken-ness. 
You can still torch each vlan interface you know. 
On Jun 28, 2016 10:42 AM, "Nate Burke" < n...@blastcomm.com > wrote: 


I'm working on the bench with a UBNT Edgepoint (R6 model) The newest firmware 
allows you to set per port untagged Vlans in switch mode. I'm thinking of using 
this to power a cluster of AP's, but I'd like to keep the ability to view per 
port traffic in the mikrotik via Torch for monitoring/troubleshooting purposes. 
My Plan was to put each port on the R6 on a different Vlan, Have a Trunk port 
to the mikrotik, then just bridge the Vlans together in the Mikrotik. This 
mostly works, as the Mikrotik can talk to each AP, but the AP's cannot ping 
each other, and it seems that I have random packet loss from the Mikrotik to 
the AP's. Is there a setting I'm missing that's blocking the traffic between 
Vlans, or is this a Edgepoint problem? Or does it not like that I'm bridging 
all these Vlans that are on the same Mikrotik interface.

Re: [AFMUG] Mikrotik Bridging VLans

2016-06-28 Thread Nate Burke 
Ok, so I'm hearing "the way you're doing it is wrong"  Is there a better 
way?  Or just let the R6 act as a dumb switch, and then log into that to 
try to troubleshoot any per port issues.


On 6/28/2016 10:49 AM, Josh Reynolds wrote:


I think you have a fundamental misunderstanding of the purpose of vlans...

On Jun 28, 2016 10:48 AM, "Nate Burke" <n...@blastcomm.com 
<mailto:n...@blastcomm.com>> wrote:


Then how do I get all the Ports on the Edgepoint to share the same
IP Space?

On 6/28/2016 10:45 AM, Mike Hammett wrote:

*nods* just leave the VLANs as native interfaces on the Mikrotik.
No need to bridge them.



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*From: *"Josh Reynolds" <j...@kyneticwifi.com>
<mailto:j...@kyneticwifi.com>
    *To: *af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
*Sent: *Tuesday, June 28, 2016 10:44:28 AM
*Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Mikrotik Bridging VLans

It doesn't like that you're bridging all these vlans. From
experience, it's nothing but broken-ness.

You can still torch each vlan interface you know.

On Jun 28, 2016 10:42 AM, "Nate Burke" <n...@blastcomm.com
<mailto:n...@blastcomm.com>> wrote:

I'm working on the bench with a UBNT Edgepoint (R6 model) 
The newest firmware allows you to set per port untagged Vlans

in switch mode.  I'm thinking of using this to power a
cluster of AP's, but I'd like to keep the ability to view per
port traffic in the mikrotik via Torch for
monitoring/troubleshooting purposes.  My Plan was to put each
port on the R6 on a different Vlan, Have a Trunk port to the
mikrotik, then just bridge the Vlans together in the
Mikrotik.  This mostly works, as the Mikrotik can talk to
each AP, but the AP's cannot ping each other, and it seems
that I have random packet loss from the Mikrotik to the
AP's.  Is there a setting I'm missing that's blocking the
traffic between Vlans, or is this a Edgepoint problem?  Or
does it not like that I'm bridging all these Vlans that are
on the same Mikrotik interface.

Re: [AFMUG] Mikrotik Bridging VLans

2016-06-28 Thread Josh Reynolds 
I think you have a fundamental misunderstanding of the purpose of vlans...
On Jun 28, 2016 10:48 AM, "Nate Burke" <n...@blastcomm.com> wrote:

> Then how do I get all the Ports on the Edgepoint to share the same IP
> Space?
>
> On 6/28/2016 10:45 AM, Mike Hammett wrote:
>
> *nods* just leave the VLANs as native interfaces on the Mikrotik. No need
> to bridge them.
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/>
> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL>
> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb>
> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions>
> <https://twitter.com/ICSIL>
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> <https://twitter.com/mdwestix>
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> <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp>
>
>
> <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg>
> ----------
> *From: *"Josh Reynolds" <j...@kyneticwifi.com> <j...@kyneticwifi.com>
> *To: *af@afmug.com
> *Sent: *Tuesday, June 28, 2016 10:44:28 AM
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Mikrotik Bridging VLans
>
> It doesn't like that you're bridging all these vlans. From experience,
> it's nothing but broken-ness.
>
> You can still torch each vlan interface you know.
> On Jun 28, 2016 10:42 AM, "Nate Burke" <n...@blastcomm.com> wrote:
>
>> I'm working on the bench with a UBNT Edgepoint (R6 model)  The newest
>> firmware allows you to set per port untagged Vlans in switch mode.  I'm
>> thinking of using this to power a cluster of AP's, but I'd like to keep the
>> ability to view per port traffic in the mikrotik via Torch for
>> monitoring/troubleshooting purposes.  My Plan was to put each port on the
>> R6 on a different Vlan, Have a Trunk port to the mikrotik, then just bridge
>> the Vlans together in the Mikrotik.  This mostly works, as the Mikrotik can
>> talk to each AP, but the AP's cannot ping each other, and it seems that I
>> have random packet loss from the Mikrotik to the AP's.  Is there a setting
>> I'm missing that's blocking the traffic between Vlans, or is this a
>> Edgepoint problem?  Or does it not like that I'm bridging all these Vlans
>> that are on the same Mikrotik interface.
>>
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Mikrotik Bridging VLans

2016-06-28 Thread Nate Burke 

Then how do I get all the Ports on the Edgepoint to share the same IP Space?

On 6/28/2016 10:45 AM, Mike Hammett wrote:
*nods* just leave the VLANs as native interfaces on the Mikrotik. No 
need to bridge them.




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Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/>
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<https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg>

*From: *"Josh Reynolds" <j...@kyneticwifi.com>
*To: *af@afmug.com
*Sent: *Tuesday, June 28, 2016 10:44:28 AM
*Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Mikrotik Bridging VLans

It doesn't like that you're bridging all these vlans. From experience, 
it's nothing but broken-ness.


You can still torch each vlan interface you know.

On Jun 28, 2016 10:42 AM, "Nate Burke" <n...@blastcomm.com 
<mailto:n...@blastcomm.com>> wrote:


I'm working on the bench with a UBNT Edgepoint (R6 model)  The
newest firmware allows you to set per port untagged Vlans in
switch mode.  I'm thinking of using this to power a cluster of
AP's, but I'd like to keep the ability to view per port traffic in
the mikrotik via Torch for monitoring/troubleshooting purposes. 
My Plan was to put each port on the R6 on a different Vlan, Have a

Trunk port to the mikrotik, then just bridge the Vlans together in
the Mikrotik.  This mostly works, as the Mikrotik can talk to each
AP, but the AP's cannot ping each other, and it seems that I have
random packet loss from the Mikrotik to the AP's.  Is there a
setting I'm missing that's blocking the traffic between Vlans, or
is this a Edgepoint problem?  Or does it not like that I'm
bridging all these Vlans that are on the same Mikrotik interface.

Re: [AFMUG] Mikrotik Bridging VLans

2016-06-28 Thread Mike Hammett 
*nods* just leave the VLANs as native interfaces on the Mikrotik. No need to 
bridge them. 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 




- Original Message -

From: "Josh Reynolds" <j...@kyneticwifi.com> 
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Tuesday, June 28, 2016 10:44:28 AM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Mikrotik Bridging VLans 


It doesn't like that you're bridging all these vlans. From experience, it's 
nothing but broken-ness. 
You can still torch each vlan interface you know. 
On Jun 28, 2016 10:42 AM, "Nate Burke" < n...@blastcomm.com > wrote: 


I'm working on the bench with a UBNT Edgepoint (R6 model) The newest firmware 
allows you to set per port untagged Vlans in switch mode. I'm thinking of using 
this to power a cluster of AP's, but I'd like to keep the ability to view per 
port traffic in the mikrotik via Torch for monitoring/troubleshooting purposes. 
My Plan was to put each port on the R6 on a different Vlan, Have a Trunk port 
to the mikrotik, then just bridge the Vlans together in the Mikrotik. This 
mostly works, as the Mikrotik can talk to each AP, but the AP's cannot ping 
each other, and it seems that I have random packet loss from the Mikrotik to 
the AP's. Is there a setting I'm missing that's blocking the traffic between 
Vlans, or is this a Edgepoint problem? Or does it not like that I'm bridging 
all these Vlans that are on the same Mikrotik interface.

Re: [AFMUG] Mikrotik Bridging VLans

2016-06-28 Thread Josh Reynolds 
It doesn't like that you're bridging all these vlans. From experience, it's
nothing but broken-ness.

You can still torch each vlan interface you know.
On Jun 28, 2016 10:42 AM, "Nate Burke"  wrote:

> I'm working on the bench with a UBNT Edgepoint (R6 model)  The newest
> firmware allows you to set per port untagged Vlans in switch mode.  I'm
> thinking of using this to power a cluster of AP's, but I'd like to keep the
> ability to view per port traffic in the mikrotik via Torch for
> monitoring/troubleshooting purposes.  My Plan was to put each port on the
> R6 on a different Vlan, Have a Trunk port to the mikrotik, then just bridge
> the Vlans together in the Mikrotik.  This mostly works, as the Mikrotik can
> talk to each AP, but the AP's cannot ping each other, and it seems that I
> have random packet loss from the Mikrotik to the AP's.  Is there a setting
> I'm missing that's blocking the traffic between Vlans, or is this a
> Edgepoint problem?  Or does it not like that I'm bridging all these Vlans
> that are on the same Mikrotik interface.
>