Re: [AFMUG] New Server Hardware

[Mike Hammett]

I would only host elsewhere what must be hosted elsewhere. Everything else 
in-house. 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 




- Original Message -

From: "Nate Burke"  
To: "Animal Farm"  
Sent: Tuesday, February 6, 2018 12:02:41 PM 
Subject: [AFMUG] New Server Hardware 

I'm going to need to bring online a couple new servers (OS Instances) in 
the next month or 2. They could probably be housed inside a single 
physical machine as VM's. It's been a while since I've had to pickup 
new server hardware. What's a good spec now for a machine to do VM's. 
Are NAS prices cheap enough now that you'd go with external storage, or 
just have a single physical machine with internal HDD's. Hardware NAS, 
or another machine running linux and ZFS? With external Storage, does 
it all have to be 10G networking to prevent bottlenecks? About 6 years 
ago I put in a single standalone server running VMWare, but it's out of 
resources to add new VM's to it. 

It looks like Newegg has lots of Refurb Dell and HP servers (with no 
HDD's) for cheap. DL380G5 ~$100. I'd like to stay in the $2k-$3k range 
for this project. Or is hosting your own hardware not even worth it 
anymore? Just go get a server from 1and1 for $5/mo setup a VPN back to 
the network and be done? 

Re: [AFMUG] New Server Hardware

[Josh Luthman]

What firmware policy?  For what?

Support is gone for both HP and Dell when you're buying them years old and
second hand.  Though I did find a guy at Dell could get me the part number
for a HDD pretty easily when I said I was going to buy one from them
(huehuehue).


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Tue, Feb 6, 2018 at 3:13 PM, Faisal Imtiaz <fai...@snappytelecom.net>
wrote:

> In my opinion, check out the firmware / support polices for HP  vs Dell,
> before you make a decision on what hardware to purchase.
>
> :)
>
> Regards.
>
> Faisal Imtiaz
> Snappy Internet & Telecom
> http://www.snappytelecom.net
>
> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232
>
> Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net
>
> - Original Message -
> > From: "Andreas Wiatowski" <andr...@silowireless.com>
> > To: af@afmug.com
> > Sent: Tuesday, February 6, 2018 1:08:33 PM
> > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] New Server Hardware
>
> > I just pickup off lease HP's on Ebay, lots of ram processors and disk...
> usually
> > don't pay more than $500-800 for them.  Gen 7 and 8's.  Lots of reputable
> > sellers.
> >
> > Also, Checkout PROXMOX. It's a pretty cool virtualization platform with a
> > community edition that you hack around to get the latest version. I find
> it
> > very easy... you can take VMDK files and convert them and spin up a new
> > instance of anything easily.
> >
> > Cheers,
> >
> > Andreas Wiatowski, CEO
> > Silo Wireless Inc.
> > 1-866-727-4138 x-600
> > http://www.silowireless.com <http://www.silowireless.com/>
> > Wireless | Fibre | VoIP | PBX | IPTV
> >
> > Silo Wireless is a Proud Member of:
> > CanWISP http://www.canwisp.ca
> > WISPA http://wispa.org
> > Brantford Brant Chamber of Commerce
> > Paris Chamber of Commerce
> > Cambridge Chamber of Commerce
> >
> >
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> >On 2018-02-06, 1:02 PM, "Af on behalf of Nate Burke" <
> af-boun...@afmug.com on
> >behalf of n...@blastcomm.com> wrote:
> >
> >I'm going to need to bring online a couple new servers (OS Instances)
> in
> >the next month or 2.  They could probably be housed inside a single
> >physical machine as VM's.  It's been a while since I've had to pickup
> >new server hardware.  What's a good spec now for a machine to do VM's.
> >Are NAS prices cheap enough now that you'd go with external storage,
> or
> >just have a single physical machine with internal HDD's.  Hardware
> NAS,
> >or another machine running linux and ZFS?  With external Storage, does
> >it all have to be 10G networking to prevent bottlenecks?  About 6
> years
> >ago I put in a single standalone server running VMWare, but it's out
> of
> >resources to add new VM's to it.
> >
> >It looks like Newegg has lots of Refurb Dell and HP servers (with no
> >HDD's) for cheap.  DL380G5 ~$100.  I'd like to stay in the $2k-$3k
> range
> >for this project.  Or is hosting your own hardware not even worth it
> >anymore?  Just go get a server from 1and1 for $5/mo setup a VPN back
> to
> > the network and be done?
>

Re: [AFMUG] New Server Hardware

[Robert Andrews]

Not as noisy if you buy their fanless...

On 02/06/2018 12:53 PM, Adam Moffett wrote:

I like Super Micro's pricing, but they are always hot and noisy.
#firstworldproblems


-- Original Message --
From: "Dave" <dmilho...@wletc.com <mailto:dmilho...@wletc.com>>
To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
Sent: 2/6/2018 3:45:21 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] New Server Hardware

I only choose super micro technology and if I had no other choice then 
I go Dell


Of course I live in a linux only world LOL


On 02/06/2018 02:34 PM, Sterling Jacobson wrote:

I like Dells, but I have HP's because of the excess/price on eBay.

You are saying HP doesn't support like Dell?

I can believe that.

-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Faisal Imtiaz
Sent: Tuesday, February 6, 2018 1:14 PM
To:af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] New Server Hardware

In my opinion, check out the firmware / support polices for HP  vs Dell, before 
you make a decision on what hardware to purchase.

:)

Regards.

Faisal Imtiaz
Snappy Internet & Telecom
http://www.snappytelecom.net

Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232

Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email:supp...@snappytelecom.net

- Original Message -

From: "Andreas Wiatowski"<andr...@silowireless.com>
To:af@afmug.com
Sent: Tuesday, February 6, 2018 1:08:33 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] New Server Hardware
I just pickup off lease HP's on Ebay, lots of ram processors and
disk... usually don't pay more than $500-800 for them.  Gen 7 and 8's.
Lots of reputable sellers.

Also, Checkout PROXMOX. It's a pretty cool virtualization platform
with a community edition that you hack around to get the latest
version. I find it very easy... you can take VMDK files and convert
them and spin up a new instance of anything easily.

Cheers,

Andreas Wiatowski, CEO
Silo Wireless Inc.
1-866-727-4138 x-600
http://www.silowireless.com  <http://www.silowireless.com/>  Wireless |
Fibre | VoIP | PBX | IPTV

Silo Wireless is a Proud Member of:
CanWISPhttp://www.canwisp.ca
WISPAhttp://wispa.org
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Paris Chamber of Commerce
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On 2018-02-06, 1:02 PM, "Af on behalf of Nate Burke"
<af-boun...@afmug.com on behalf of n...@blastcomm.com>  wrote:

I'm going to need to bring online a couple new servers (OS Instances) in
the next month or 2.  They could probably be housed inside a single
physical machine as VM's.  It's been a while since I've had to pickup
new server hardware.  What's a good spec now for a machine to do VM's.
Are NAS prices cheap enough now that you'd go with external storage, or
just have a single physical machine with internal HDD's.  Hardware NAS,
or another machine running linux and ZFS?  With external Storage, does
it all have to be 10G networking to prevent bottlenecks?  About 6 years
ago I put in a single standalone server running VMWare, but it's out of
resources to add new VM's to it.

It looks like Newegg has lots of Refurb Dell and HP servers (with no

HDD's) for cheap.  DL380G5 ~$100.  I'd like to stay in the $2k-$3k range
for this project.  Or is hosting your own hardware not even worth it
anymore?  Just go get a server from 1and1 for $5/mo setup a VPN back to
 the network and be done?


--

Re: [AFMUG] New Server Hardware

[Seth Mattinen]

On 2/6/18 12:41 PM, Faisal Imtiaz wrote:

NO firmware updates, unless you have a support contract..
they did this back in 2014 !



It's false to say "firmware". Only the BIOS updates require it and the 
firmware DVD single download.


You can still download all of the individual firmware updates for ILO, 
RAID cards, BMC, network, everything else. Just have to do them 
separately. Except BOIS proper.

Re: [AFMUG] New Server Hardware

[Seth Mattinen]

On 2/6/18 12:54 PM, Andreas Wiatowski wrote:

I think he is talking like raid card and other controller hardware on the board 
that is HP brand.



No you can get all of those... I just downloaded ILO updates for some 
old ass stuff yesterday. It's literally only the BIOS that want a 
contract. You can still get drive firmware, cards, everything else but 
BOIS proper.

Re: [AFMUG] New Server Hardware

[Andreas Wiatowski]

I think he is talking like raid card and other controller hardware on the board 
that is HP brand.

Cheers,
 
Andreas Wiatowski, CEO
Silo Wireless Inc.
1-866-727-4138 x-600
http://www.silowireless.com <http://www.silowireless.com/>
Wireless | Fibre | VoIP | PBX | IPTV
 
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On 2018-02-06, 3:53 PM, "Af on behalf of Nate Burke" <af-boun...@afmug.com on 
behalf of n...@blastcomm.com> wrote:

'Firmware Updates'  Are you talking about BIOS updates?  Wouldn't all 
other updates be in the OS, that is vendor agnostic?  Or am I missing 
something.  Are BIOS updates a big thing in the server world?  I can't 
remember the last time I actually did a BIOS update.

On 2/6/2018 2:51 PM, Andreas Wiatowski wrote:
> I didn't know that.
>
> Most of my servers are not public facing, mainly for "in house" use.  
There must be a way to get the firmware if you need it?... there always is.
>
> Cheers,
>   
> Andreas Wiatowski, CEO
> Silo Wireless Inc.
> 1-866-727-4138 x-600
> http://www.silowireless.com <http://www.silowireless.com/>
> Wireless | Fibre | VoIP | PBX | IPTV
>   
> Silo Wireless is a Proud Member of:
> CanWISP http://www.canwisp.ca
> WISPA http://wispa.org
> Brantford Brant Chamber of Commerce
> Paris Chamber of Commerce
> Cambridge Chamber of Commerce
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> On 2018-02-06, 3:42 PM, "Af on behalf of Faisal Imtiaz" 
<af-boun...@afmug.com on behalf of fai...@snappytelecom.net> wrote:
>
>  
>  NO firmware updates, unless you have a support contract..
>  they did this back in 2014 !
>  
>  Regards
>  
>  Faisal Imtiaz
>  Snappy Internet & Telecom
>  http://www.snappytelecom.net
>  
>  Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232
>  
>  Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net
>  
>  - Original Message -----
    >  > From: "Sterling Jacobson" <sterl...@avative.net>
>  > To: af@afmug.com
>  > Sent: Tuesday, February 6, 2018 3:34:14 PM
>  > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] New Server Hardware
>  
>  > I like Dells, but I have HP's because of the excess/price on eBay.
>  >
>  > You are saying HP doesn't support like Dell?
>  >
>  > I can believe that.
    >  >
>  > -Original Message-
>  > From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Faisal Imtiaz
>  > Sent: Tuesday, February 6, 2018 1:14 PM
>  > To: af@afmug.com
>  > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] New Server Hardware
>  >
>  > In my opinion, check out the firmware / support polices for HP  vs 
Dell, before
>  > you make a decision on what hardware to purchase.
>  >
>  > :)
>  >
>  > Regards.
>  >
>  > Faisal Imtiaz
>  > Snappy Internet & Telecom
>  > http://www.snappytelecom.net
>  >
>  > Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232
>  >
>  > Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email

Re: [AFMUG] New Server Hardware

[Nate Burke]

'Firmware Updates'  Are you talking about BIOS updates?  Wouldn't all 
other updates be in the OS, that is vendor agnostic?  Or am I missing 
something.  Are BIOS updates a big thing in the server world?  I can't 
remember the last time I actually did a BIOS update.


On 2/6/2018 2:51 PM, Andreas Wiatowski wrote:

I didn't know that.

Most of my servers are not public facing, mainly for "in house" use.  There 
must be a way to get the firmware if you need it?... there always is.

Cheers,
  
Andreas Wiatowski, CEO

Silo Wireless Inc.
1-866-727-4138 x-600
http://www.silowireless.com <http://www.silowireless.com/>
Wireless | Fibre | VoIP | PBX | IPTV
  
Silo Wireless is a Proud Member of:

CanWISP http://www.canwisp.ca
WISPA http://wispa.org
Brantford Brant Chamber of Commerce
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On 2018-02-06, 3:42 PM, "Af on behalf of Faisal Imtiaz" <af-boun...@afmug.com on behalf of fai...@snappytelecom.net> wrote:


 
 NO firmware updates, unless you have a support contract..

 they did this back in 2014 !
 
 Regards
 
 Faisal Imtiaz

 Snappy Internet & Telecom
 http://www.snappytelecom.net
 
 Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232
 
 Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net
 
 - Original Message -

 > From: "Sterling Jacobson" <sterl...@avative.net>
 > To: af@afmug.com
 > Sent: Tuesday, February 6, 2018 3:34:14 PM
 > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] New Server Hardware
 
 > I like Dells, but I have HP's because of the excess/price on eBay.

 >
 > You are saying HP doesn't support like Dell?
 >
 > I can believe that.
 >
 > -Original Message-
 > From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Faisal Imtiaz
     > Sent: Tuesday, February 6, 2018 1:14 PM
 > To: af@afmug.com
 > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] New Server Hardware
 >
 > In my opinion, check out the firmware / support polices for HP  vs Dell, 
before
 > you make a decision on what hardware to purchase.
 >
 > :)
 >
 > Regards.
 >
 > Faisal Imtiaz
 > Snappy Internet & Telecom
 > http://www.snappytelecom.net
 >
 > Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232
 >
 > Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net
 >
 > - Original Message -
     >> From: "Andreas Wiatowski" <andr...@silowireless.com>
 >> To: af@afmug.com
 >> Sent: Tuesday, February 6, 2018 1:08:33 PM
 >> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] New Server Hardware
 >
 >> I just pickup off lease HP's on Ebay, lots of ram processors and
 >> disk... usually don't pay more than $500-800 for them.  Gen 7 and 8's.
 >> Lots of reputable sellers.
 >>
 >> Also, Checkout PROXMOX. It's a pretty cool virtualization platform
 >> with a community edition that you hack around to get the latest
 >> version. I find it very easy... you can take VMDK files and convert
 >> them and spin up a new instance of anything easily.
 >>
 >> Cheers,
 >>
 >> Andreas Wiatowski, CEO
 >> Silo Wireless Inc.
 >> 1-866-727-4138 x-600
 >> http://www.silowireless.com <http://www.silowireless.com/> Wireless |
 >> Fibre | VoIP | PBX | IPTV
 >>
 >> Silo Wireless is a Proud Member of:
 >> CanWISP http://www.canwisp.ca
 >> WISPA http://wispa.org
 >> Brantford Brant Chamber of Commerce
 >> Paris Chamber of Commerce
 >> Cambridge Chamber of Commerce
 >>
 >>
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 &g

Re: [AFMUG] New Server Hardware

[Adam Moffett]

I like Super Micro's pricing, but they are always hot and noisy.
#firstworldproblems


-- Original Message --
From: "Dave" <dmilho...@wletc.com>
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: 2/6/2018 3:45:21 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] New Server Hardware

I only choose super micro technology and if I had no other choice then 
I go Dell


Of course I live in a linux only world LOL


On 02/06/2018 02:34 PM, Sterling Jacobson wrote:

I like Dells, but I have HP's because of the excess/price on eBay.

You are saying HP doesn't support like Dell?

I can believe that.

-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Faisal Imtiaz
Sent: Tuesday, February 6, 2018 1:14 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] New Server Hardware

In my opinion, check out the firmware / support polices for HP  vs Dell, before 
you make a decision on what hardware to purchase.

:)

Regards.

Faisal Imtiaz
Snappy Internet & Telecom
http://www.snappytelecom.net

Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232

Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net

- Original Message -


From: "Andreas Wiatowski" <andr...@silowireless.com> 
<mailto:andr...@silowireless.com>
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Tuesday, February 6, 2018 1:08:33 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] New Server Hardware

I just pickup off lease HP's on Ebay, lots of ram processors and
disk... usually don't pay more than $500-800 for them.  Gen 7 and 8's.
Lots of reputable sellers.

Also, Checkout PROXMOX. It's a pretty cool virtualization platform
with a community edition that you hack around to get the latest
version. I find it very easy... you can take VMDK files and convert
them and spin up a new instance of anything easily.

Cheers,

Andreas Wiatowski, CEO
Silo Wireless Inc.
1-866-727-4138 x-600
http://www.silowireless.com<http://www.silowireless.com/> 
<http://www.silowireless.com/> Wireless |
Fibre | VoIP | PBX | IPTV

Silo Wireless is a Proud Member of:
CanWISP http://www.canwisp.ca
WISPA http://wispa.org
Brantford Brant Chamber of Commerce
Paris Chamber of Commerce
Cambridge Chamber of Commerce


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On 2018-02-06, 1:02 PM, "Af on behalf of Nate Burke"
<af-boun...@afmug.com on behalf of n...@blastcomm.com> 
<mailto:af-bounces@afmug.comonbehalfofn...@blastcomm.com> wrote:

   I'm going to need to bring online a couple new servers (OS Instances) in
   the next month or 2.  They could probably be housed inside a single
   physical machine as VM's.  It's been a while since I've had to pickup
   new server hardware.  What's a good spec now for a machine to do VM's.
   Are NAS prices cheap enough now that you'd go with external storage, or
   just have a single physical machine with internal HDD's.  Hardware NAS,
   or another machine running linux and ZFS?  With external Storage, does
   it all have to be 10G networking to prevent bottlenecks?  About 6 years
   ago I put in a single standalone server running VMWare, but it's out of
   resources to add new VM's to it.

   It looks like Newegg has lots of Refurb Dell and HP servers (with no
   HDD's) for cheap.  DL380G5 ~$100.  I'd like to stay in the $2k-$3k range
   for this project.  Or is hosting your own hardware not even worth it
   anymore?  Just go get a server from 1and1 for $5/mo setup a VPN back to
the network and be done?



--

Re: [AFMUG] New Server Hardware

[Andreas Wiatowski]

I didn't know that.

Most of my servers are not public facing, mainly for "in house" use.  There 
must be a way to get the firmware if you need it?... there always is.

Cheers,
 
Andreas Wiatowski, CEO
Silo Wireless Inc.
1-866-727-4138 x-600
http://www.silowireless.com <http://www.silowireless.com/>
Wireless | Fibre | VoIP | PBX | IPTV
 
Silo Wireless is a Proud Member of:
CanWISP http://www.canwisp.ca 
WISPA http://wispa.org
Brantford Brant Chamber of Commerce
Paris Chamber of Commerce
Cambridge Chamber of Commerce
 
 
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On 2018-02-06, 3:42 PM, "Af on behalf of Faisal Imtiaz" <af-boun...@afmug.com 
on behalf of fai...@snappytelecom.net> wrote:


NO firmware updates, unless you have a support contract..
they did this back in 2014 !

Regards

Faisal Imtiaz
Snappy Internet & Telecom
http://www.snappytelecom.net

Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232

Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net

- Original Message -
> From: "Sterling Jacobson" <sterl...@avative.net>
> To: af@afmug.com
> Sent: Tuesday, February 6, 2018 3:34:14 PM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] New Server Hardware

> I like Dells, but I have HP's because of the excess/price on eBay.
> 
> You are saying HP doesn't support like Dell?
> 
> I can believe that.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Faisal Imtiaz
    > Sent: Tuesday, February 6, 2018 1:14 PM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] New Server Hardware
> 
> In my opinion, check out the firmware / support polices for HP  vs Dell, 
before
> you make a decision on what hardware to purchase.
> 
> :)
> 
> Regards.
> 
> Faisal Imtiaz
> Snappy Internet & Telecom
> http://www.snappytelecom.net
> 
> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232
> 
> Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net
> 
> - Original Message -
    >> From: "Andreas Wiatowski" <andr...@silowireless.com>
>> To: af@afmug.com
>> Sent: Tuesday, February 6, 2018 1:08:33 PM
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] New Server Hardware
> 
>> I just pickup off lease HP's on Ebay, lots of ram processors and
>> disk... usually don't pay more than $500-800 for them.  Gen 7 and 8's.
>> Lots of reputable sellers.
>> 
>> Also, Checkout PROXMOX. It's a pretty cool virtualization platform
>> with a community edition that you hack around to get the latest
>> version. I find it very easy... you can take VMDK files and convert
>> them and spin up a new instance of anything easily.
>> 
>> Cheers,
>> 
>> Andreas Wiatowski, CEO
>> Silo Wireless Inc.
>> 1-866-727-4138 x-600
>> http://www.silowireless.com <http://www.silowireless.com/> Wireless |
>> Fibre | VoIP | PBX | IPTV
>> 
>> Silo Wireless is a Proud Member of:
>> CanWISP http://www.canwisp.ca
>> WISPA http://wispa.org
>> Brantford Brant Chamber of Commerce
>> Paris Chamber of Commerce
>> Cambridge Chamber of Commerce
>> 
>> 
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>>On 2018-02-06, 1:02 PM, "Af on behalf of Nate Burke&qu

Re: [AFMUG] New Server Hardware

[Dave]

I only choose super micro technology and if I had no other choice then I 
go Dell


Of course I live in a linux only world LOL


On 02/06/2018 02:34 PM, Sterling Jacobson wrote:

I like Dells, but I have HP's because of the excess/price on eBay.

You are saying HP doesn't support like Dell?

I can believe that.

-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Faisal Imtiaz
Sent: Tuesday, February 6, 2018 1:14 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] New Server Hardware

In my opinion, check out the firmware / support polices for HP  vs Dell, before 
you make a decision on what hardware to purchase.

:)

Regards.

Faisal Imtiaz
Snappy Internet & Telecom
http://www.snappytelecom.net

Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232

Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net

- Original Message -

From: "Andreas Wiatowski" <andr...@silowireless.com>
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Tuesday, February 6, 2018 1:08:33 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] New Server Hardware
I just pickup off lease HP's on Ebay, lots of ram processors and
disk... usually don't pay more than $500-800 for them.  Gen 7 and 8's.
Lots of reputable sellers.

Also, Checkout PROXMOX. It's a pretty cool virtualization platform
with a community edition that you hack around to get the latest
version. I find it very easy... you can take VMDK files and convert
them and spin up a new instance of anything easily.

Cheers,

Andreas Wiatowski, CEO
Silo Wireless Inc.
1-866-727-4138 x-600
http://www.silowireless.com <http://www.silowireless.com/> Wireless |
Fibre | VoIP | PBX | IPTV

Silo Wireless is a Proud Member of:
CanWISP http://www.canwisp.ca
WISPA http://wispa.org
Brantford Brant Chamber of Commerce
Paris Chamber of Commerce
Cambridge Chamber of Commerce


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On 2018-02-06, 1:02 PM, "Af on behalf of Nate Burke"
<af-boun...@afmug.com on behalf of n...@blastcomm.com> wrote:

I'm going to need to bring online a couple new servers (OS Instances) in
the next month or 2.  They could probably be housed inside a single
physical machine as VM's.  It's been a while since I've had to pickup
new server hardware.  What's a good spec now for a machine to do VM's.
Are NAS prices cheap enough now that you'd go with external storage, or
just have a single physical machine with internal HDD's.  Hardware NAS,
or another machine running linux and ZFS?  With external Storage, does
it all have to be 10G networking to prevent bottlenecks?  About 6 years
ago I put in a single standalone server running VMWare, but it's out of
resources to add new VM's to it.

It looks like Newegg has lots of Refurb Dell and HP servers (with no

HDD's) for cheap.  DL380G5 ~$100.  I'd like to stay in the $2k-$3k range
for this project.  Or is hosting your own hardware not even worth it
anymore?  Just go get a server from 1and1 for $5/mo setup a VPN back to
 the network and be done?


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Re: [AFMUG] New Server Hardware

[Faisal Imtiaz]

NO firmware updates, unless you have a support contract..
they did this back in 2014 !

Regards

Faisal Imtiaz
Snappy Internet & Telecom
http://www.snappytelecom.net

Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232

Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net

- Original Message -
> From: "Sterling Jacobson" <sterl...@avative.net>
> To: af@afmug.com
> Sent: Tuesday, February 6, 2018 3:34:14 PM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] New Server Hardware

> I like Dells, but I have HP's because of the excess/price on eBay.
> 
> You are saying HP doesn't support like Dell?
> 
> I can believe that.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Faisal Imtiaz
> Sent: Tuesday, February 6, 2018 1:14 PM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] New Server Hardware
> 
> In my opinion, check out the firmware / support polices for HP  vs Dell, 
> before
> you make a decision on what hardware to purchase.
> 
> :)
> 
> Regards.
> 
> Faisal Imtiaz
> Snappy Internet & Telecom
> http://www.snappytelecom.net
> 
> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232
> 
> Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net
> 
> - Original Message -
>> From: "Andreas Wiatowski" <andr...@silowireless.com>
>> To: af@afmug.com
>> Sent: Tuesday, February 6, 2018 1:08:33 PM
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] New Server Hardware
> 
>> I just pickup off lease HP's on Ebay, lots of ram processors and
>> disk... usually don't pay more than $500-800 for them.  Gen 7 and 8's.
>> Lots of reputable sellers.
>> 
>> Also, Checkout PROXMOX. It's a pretty cool virtualization platform
>> with a community edition that you hack around to get the latest
>> version. I find it very easy... you can take VMDK files and convert
>> them and spin up a new instance of anything easily.
>> 
>> Cheers,
>> 
>> Andreas Wiatowski, CEO
>> Silo Wireless Inc.
>> 1-866-727-4138 x-600
>> http://www.silowireless.com <http://www.silowireless.com/> Wireless |
>> Fibre | VoIP | PBX | IPTV
>> 
>> Silo Wireless is a Proud Member of:
>> CanWISP http://www.canwisp.ca
>> WISPA http://wispa.org
>> Brantford Brant Chamber of Commerce
>> Paris Chamber of Commerce
>> Cambridge Chamber of Commerce
>> 
>> 
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>>On 2018-02-06, 1:02 PM, "Af on behalf of Nate Burke"
>><af-boun...@afmug.com on behalf of n...@blastcomm.com> wrote:
>> 
>>I'm going to need to bring online a couple new servers (OS Instances) in
>>the next month or 2.  They could probably be housed inside a single
>>physical machine as VM's.  It's been a while since I've had to pickup
>>new server hardware.  What's a good spec now for a machine to do VM's.
>>Are NAS prices cheap enough now that you'd go with external storage, or
>>just have a single physical machine with internal HDD's.  Hardware NAS,
>>or another machine running linux and ZFS?  With external Storage, does
>>it all have to be 10G networking to prevent bottlenecks?  About 6 years
>>ago I put in a single standalone server running VMWare, but it's out of
>>resources to add new VM's to it.
>>
>>It looks like Newegg has lots of Refurb Dell and HP servers (with no
>>HDD's) for cheap.  DL380G5 ~$100.  I'd like to stay in the $2k-$3k range
>>for this project.  Or is hosting your own hardware not even worth it
>>anymore?  Just go get a server from 1and1 for $5/mo setup a VPN back to
> > the network and be done?

Re: [AFMUG] New Server Hardware

[Sterling Jacobson]

I like Dells, but I have HP's because of the excess/price on eBay.

You are saying HP doesn't support like Dell?

I can believe that.

-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Faisal Imtiaz
Sent: Tuesday, February 6, 2018 1:14 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] New Server Hardware

In my opinion, check out the firmware / support polices for HP  vs Dell, before 
you make a decision on what hardware to purchase.

:)

Regards.

Faisal Imtiaz
Snappy Internet & Telecom
http://www.snappytelecom.net

Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232

Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net

- Original Message -
> From: "Andreas Wiatowski" <andr...@silowireless.com>
> To: af@afmug.com
> Sent: Tuesday, February 6, 2018 1:08:33 PM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] New Server Hardware

> I just pickup off lease HP's on Ebay, lots of ram processors and 
> disk... usually don't pay more than $500-800 for them.  Gen 7 and 8's.  
> Lots of reputable sellers.
> 
> Also, Checkout PROXMOX. It's a pretty cool virtualization platform 
> with a community edition that you hack around to get the latest 
> version. I find it very easy... you can take VMDK files and convert 
> them and spin up a new instance of anything easily.
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Andreas Wiatowski, CEO
> Silo Wireless Inc.
> 1-866-727-4138 x-600
> http://www.silowireless.com <http://www.silowireless.com/> Wireless | 
> Fibre | VoIP | PBX | IPTV
> 
> Silo Wireless is a Proud Member of:
> CanWISP http://www.canwisp.ca
> WISPA http://wispa.org
> Brantford Brant Chamber of Commerce
> Paris Chamber of Commerce
> Cambridge Chamber of Commerce
> 
> 
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>On 2018-02-06, 1:02 PM, "Af on behalf of Nate Burke" 
><af-boun...@afmug.com on behalf of n...@blastcomm.com> wrote:
> 
>I'm going to need to bring online a couple new servers (OS Instances) in
>the next month or 2.  They could probably be housed inside a single
>physical machine as VM's.  It's been a while since I've had to pickup
>new server hardware.  What's a good spec now for a machine to do VM's.
>Are NAS prices cheap enough now that you'd go with external storage, or
>just have a single physical machine with internal HDD's.  Hardware NAS,
>or another machine running linux and ZFS?  With external Storage, does
>it all have to be 10G networking to prevent bottlenecks?  About 6 years
>ago I put in a single standalone server running VMWare, but it's out of
>resources to add new VM's to it.
>
>It looks like Newegg has lots of Refurb Dell and HP servers (with no
>HDD's) for cheap.  DL380G5 ~$100.  I'd like to stay in the $2k-$3k range
>for this project.  Or is hosting your own hardware not even worth it
>anymore?  Just go get a server from 1and1 for $5/mo setup a VPN back to
> the network and be done?

Re: [AFMUG] New Server Hardware

[Faisal Imtiaz]

In my opinion, check out the firmware / support polices for HP  vs Dell, before 
you make a decision on what hardware to purchase.

:)

Regards.

Faisal Imtiaz
Snappy Internet & Telecom
http://www.snappytelecom.net

Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232

Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net

- Original Message -
> From: "Andreas Wiatowski" <andr...@silowireless.com>
> To: af@afmug.com
> Sent: Tuesday, February 6, 2018 1:08:33 PM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] New Server Hardware

> I just pickup off lease HP's on Ebay, lots of ram processors and disk... 
> usually
> don't pay more than $500-800 for them.  Gen 7 and 8's.  Lots of reputable
> sellers.
> 
> Also, Checkout PROXMOX. It's a pretty cool virtualization platform with a
> community edition that you hack around to get the latest version. I find it
> very easy... you can take VMDK files and convert them and spin up a new
> instance of anything easily.
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Andreas Wiatowski, CEO
> Silo Wireless Inc.
> 1-866-727-4138 x-600
> http://www.silowireless.com <http://www.silowireless.com/>
> Wireless | Fibre | VoIP | PBX | IPTV
> 
> Silo Wireless is a Proud Member of:
> CanWISP http://www.canwisp.ca
> WISPA http://wispa.org
> Brantford Brant Chamber of Commerce
> Paris Chamber of Commerce
> Cambridge Chamber of Commerce
> 
> 
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> the addressee(s) and may contain confidential and/or privileged information 
> and
> may be legally protected from disclosure. If you are not the intended 
> recipient
> of this message or their agent, or if this message has been addressed to you 
> in
> error, please immediately alert the sender by reply email and then delete this
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> hereby notified that any use, dissemination, copying, or storage of this
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> 
>On 2018-02-06, 1:02 PM, "Af on behalf of Nate Burke" <af-boun...@afmug.com on
>behalf of n...@blastcomm.com> wrote:
> 
>I'm going to need to bring online a couple new servers (OS Instances) in
>the next month or 2.  They could probably be housed inside a single
>physical machine as VM's.  It's been a while since I've had to pickup
>new server hardware.  What's a good spec now for a machine to do VM's.
>Are NAS prices cheap enough now that you'd go with external storage, or
>just have a single physical machine with internal HDD's.  Hardware NAS,
>or another machine running linux and ZFS?  With external Storage, does
>it all have to be 10G networking to prevent bottlenecks?  About 6 years
>ago I put in a single standalone server running VMWare, but it's out of
>resources to add new VM's to it.
>
>It looks like Newegg has lots of Refurb Dell and HP servers (with no
>HDD's) for cheap.  DL380G5 ~$100.  I'd like to stay in the $2k-$3k range
>for this project.  Or is hosting your own hardware not even worth it
>anymore?  Just go get a server from 1and1 for $5/mo setup a VPN back to
> the network and be done?

Re: [AFMUG] New Server Hardware

[Andreas Wiatowski]

I just pickup off lease HP's on Ebay, lots of ram processors and disk... 
usually don't pay more than $500-800 for them.  Gen 7 and 8's.  Lots of 
reputable sellers.

Also, Checkout PROXMOX. It's a pretty cool virtualization platform with a 
community edition that you hack around to get the latest version. I find it 
very easy... you can take VMDK files and convert them and spin up a new 
instance of anything easily.

Cheers,
 
Andreas Wiatowski, CEO
Silo Wireless Inc.
1-866-727-4138 x-600
http://www.silowireless.com 
Wireless | Fibre | VoIP | PBX | IPTV
 
Silo Wireless is a Proud Member of:
CanWISP http://www.canwisp.ca 
WISPA http://wispa.org
Brantford Brant Chamber of Commerce
Paris Chamber of Commerce
Cambridge Chamber of Commerce
 
 
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On 2018-02-06, 1:02 PM, "Af on behalf of Nate Burke"  wrote:

I'm going to need to bring online a couple new servers (OS Instances) in 
the next month or 2.  They could probably be housed inside a single 
physical machine as VM's.  It's been a while since I've had to pickup 
new server hardware.  What's a good spec now for a machine to do VM's.  
Are NAS prices cheap enough now that you'd go with external storage, or 
just have a single physical machine with internal HDD's.  Hardware NAS, 
or another machine running linux and ZFS?  With external Storage, does 
it all have to be 10G networking to prevent bottlenecks?  About 6 years 
ago I put in a single standalone server running VMWare, but it's out of 
resources to add new VM's to it.

It looks like Newegg has lots of Refurb Dell and HP servers (with no 
HDD's) for cheap.  DL380G5 ~$100.  I'd like to stay in the $2k-$3k range 
for this project.  Or is hosting your own hardware not even worth it 
anymore?  Just go get a server from 1and1 for $5/mo setup a VPN back to 
the network and be done?