Re: [AFMUG] OT - Oroville dam

2017-02-14 Thread That One Guy /sarcasm 
A lot of them will be decommissioned as they fail, as it turns out they
destroy ecosystems and cause droughts. I watched a Nova episode about
salmon genetic variants disappearing because of them. I never even would
have thought about that

On Feb 14, 2017 5:06 PM, "Seth Mattinen"  wrote:

On 2/14/17 14:50, Ken Hohhof wrote:

> People don’t understand building infrastructure anymore, they think it’s
> a big deal to build an app.
>
>
>
> The peak for dam building was the 1960’s.  Dams are expected to last 50
> years.  Do the math.  This will not be an isolated case, unless we start
> maintaining and replacing infrastructure.
>
>

Hoover Dam though is good to go for a long, long time.

Re: [AFMUG] OT - Oroville dam

2017-02-14 Thread Seth Mattinen 

On 2/14/17 14:50, Ken Hohhof wrote:

People don’t understand building infrastructure anymore, they think it’s
a big deal to build an app.



The peak for dam building was the 1960’s.  Dams are expected to last 50
years.  Do the math.  This will not be an isolated case, unless we start
maintaining and replacing infrastructure.




Hoover Dam though is good to go for a long, long time.

Re: [AFMUG] OT - Oroville dam

2017-02-14 Thread Ken Hohhof 
People don’t understand building infrastructure anymore, they think it’s a big 
deal to build an app.

 

The peak for dam building was the 1960’s.  Dams are expected to last 50 years.  
Do the math.  This will not be an isolated case, unless we start maintaining 
and replacing infrastructure.

 

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Lewis Bergman
Sent: Tuesday, February 14, 2017 3:16 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT - Oroville dam

 

And why hasn't the teaching district been pouring money into a sinking fund for 
this sort of thing? Retarded.  I see it all the time. Some taxing district 
builds something but budgets no money to maintain it. 
At some point we all have to act like grown ups. Why is it that we don't expect 
our governments, at any level, to act at least as responsible as our neighbors?

 

On Tue, Feb 14, 2017, 3:05 PM That One Guy /sarcasm <thatoneguyst...@gmail.com 
<mailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> > wrote:

As much of a dick as I want the president to be about the money, if its money 
they need to get this thing under control they better get it, people are 
homeless right now til this get stabilized

 

On Tue, Feb 14, 2017 at 2:55 PM, Sam Morris <w...@csilogan.com 
<mailto:w...@csilogan.com> > wrote:

Jerry Brown then: Trump is not my president!

Jerry Brown now: President Trump, will you please give us some money?

:)

On 2/13/2017 1:28 PM, That One Guy /sarcasm wrote:

are they opening dams downstream?

they really could truck in a bunch of 4 foot tile to siphon over the
banks and direct the flow past the work areas, close the dam gates and
initiate the repairs. I dont think I would want to be working the boats
placing the tile topside though

On Mon, Feb 13, 2017 at 1:20 PM, Robert Andrews <i...@avantwireless.com 
<mailto:i...@avantwireless.com> 

<mailto:i...@avantwireless.com <mailto:i...@avantwireless.com> >> wrote:

Putting plates into a waterflow of that volume will pretty much be
certain to rip out of the concrete or create erosion of the concrete
around the attachment points.   Cavitation is a bitch...   Right now
they can't stop the flow.   Also pretty much most of the spillway
below the hole is gone, so there isn't a lot to attach it to.   The
turbines are shut down right now because the erosion has created a
dam in the stream that has raised the water levels upstream to the
point they cannot operate the turbines.   The turbines were maxed
out at 15K cfs up to that point.   Yeah, I have been pretty much
obsessing over this... My inlaws were stuck going nowhere in Yuba
city last night for 4 hours in gridlock ( at one point not moving
for 2 hours. ) before deciding it was safer at the house on the
second floor...



On 02/13/2017 10:36 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:

Easy to armchair quarterback but I would think they could bolt 1
inch
plates over the hole in the main spillway, put some I beam piles
under
the plates and open it back up.  At least until they take some
inches
off the reservoir.  I wonder if there is a way they can set the
angle on
the turbines to waste more water there too.

-Original Message- From: Robert Andrews
Sent: Monday, February 13, 2017 11:28 AM

To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>  <mailto:af@afmug.com 
<mailto:af@afmug.com> >


Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT - Oroville dam

As of this morning they are saying the regular spillway is
supporting
the 100K cfs without further damage.If that it true, then
there is
the ability to deal with what's happening over the next couple
of weeks,
which looks like 4-5 sequential storms.   We got a 4-5 day break in
weather this week but if it goes back to last months pattern we
are in
serious trouble throughout the west.  That spillway needs to do
100K cfs
for weeks to keep pressure off the hillside below the emergency
spillway.   Californa and the Feds were sued over in 2005 to put
concrete down on that hillside by the Sierra Club.   The worse case
situation is that the lake goes over the emergency spillway, it
erodes
below, the spillway fails and the hill below what was the
spillway just
keeps going away.   Moving water, and it would be a lot, would grand
canyon the hill...  It would be enough water to destroy most of the
feather river and Sacramento levee system below the dam..   That
would
be really really bad...   ( Inlaws in Yuba city )...

On 02/13/2017 08:47 AM, Jason Wilson wrote:

100,000cfs is correct.  That spillway will support
250,000cfs, but the
Feather River channel will only support about 216,000cfs.
It

Re: [AFMUG] OT - Oroville dam

2017-02-14 Thread Robert Andrews 
   On 02/13/2017 10:36 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:

Easy to armchair quarterback but I would
think they
could bolt 1
inch
plates over the hole in the main spillway,
put some
I beam piles
under
the plates and open it back up.  At least
until they
take some
inches
off the reservoir.  I wonder if there is a
way they
can set the
angle on
the turbines to waste more water there too.

-Original Message- From: Robert Andrews
Sent: Monday, February 13, 2017 11:28 AM
To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
<mailto:af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>>
            <mailto:af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
<mailto:af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>>>


Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT - Oroville dam

As of this morning they are saying the regular
spillway is
supporting
the 100K cfs without further damage.If
that it
true, then
there is
the ability to deal with what's happening
over the
next couple
of weeks,
which looks like 4-5 sequential storms.   We
got a
4-5 day break in
weather this week but if it goes back to
last months
pattern we
are in
serious trouble throughout the west.  That
spillway
needs to do
100K cfs
for weeks to keep pressure off the hillside
below
the emergency
spillway.   Californa and the Feds were sued
over in
2005 to put
concrete down on that hillside by the Sierra
Club.
 The worse case
situation is that the lake goes over the
emergency
spillway, it
erodes
below, the spillway fails and the hill below
what
was the
spillway just
keeps going away.   Moving water, and it
would be a
lot, would grand
canyon the hill...  It would be enough water to
destroy most of the
feather river and Sacramento levee system
below the
dam..   That
would
be really really bad...   ( Inlaws in Yuba
city )...

On 02/13/2017 08:47 AM, Jason Wilson wrote:

100,000cfs is correct.  That spillway
will support
250,000cfs, but the
Feather River channel will only support
about
216,000cfs.
It has been
10 years since the Channel has been
stressed to
this point,
last time
there were levee breaches.  Their hope is to
drawdown the
reservoir 50
feet below the rim to do a couple
things, one is
to take
pressure off of
the presumed damaged emergency
spillway.  The
other is to
make room for
precip that is coming into california
towards
the end of the
week.  Of
course they cannot do any repairs to the
facility until
after the rainy
season is over, and the snowmelt had
finished.



Jason Wilson
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Re: [AFMUG] OT - Oroville dam

2017-02-14 Thread That One Guy /sarcasm 
whats a boil?

On Tue, Feb 14, 2017 at 3:45 PM, Robert Andrews <i...@avantwireless.com>
wrote:

> Yep, just found out a few minutes ago that all my inlaws are coming up
> here because it's a cluster fck down there...   Rumors of a boil on the
> eroded face are going around...
>
> On 02/14/2017 01:36 PM, Bill Prince wrote:
>
>> This is more complicated than it might appear. The dam is owned and
>> operated (remotely) by the DWR, a water agency based in Los Angeles.
>> When the dam was designed 57 years ago, the auxiliary spillway was said
>> to "never be needed".
>>
>> And 10 years ago, when several groups said they thought the spillway was
>> inadequate, the DWR (Los Angeles) and FERC (the Federal Energy
>> Regulatory Commission) said the upgrades were unnecessary.
>>
>> and here we are today.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tuesday, February 14, 2017 1:15 PM, Lewis Bergman
>> <lewis.berg...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>> And why hasn't the teaching district been pouring money into a sinking
>> fund for this sort of thing? Retarded.  I see it all the time. Some
>> taxing district builds something but budgets no money to maintain it.
>> At some point we all have to act like grown ups. Why is it that we don't
>> expect our governments, at any level, to act at least as responsible as
>> our neighbors?
>>
>> On Tue, Feb 14, 2017, 3:05 PM That One Guy /sarcasm
>> <thatoneguyst...@gmail.com <mailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>
>> As much of a dick as I want the president to be about the money, if
>> its money they need to get this thing under control they better get
>> it, people are homeless right now til this get stabilized
>>
>> On Tue, Feb 14, 2017 at 2:55 PM, Sam Morris <w...@csilogan.com
>> <mailto:w...@csilogan.com>> wrote:
>>
>> Jerry Brown then: Trump is not my president!
>>
>> Jerry Brown now: President Trump, will you please give us some
>> money?
>>
>> :)
>>
>> On 2/13/2017 1:28 PM, That One Guy /sarcasm wrote:
>>
>> are they opening dams downstream?
>>
>> they really could truck in a bunch of 4 foot tile to siphon
>> over the
>> banks and direct the flow past the work areas, close the dam
>> gates and
>> initiate the repairs. I dont think I would want to be
>> working the boats
>> placing the tile topside though
>>
>> On Mon, Feb 13, 2017 at 1:20 PM, Robert Andrews
>> <i...@avantwireless.com <mailto:i...@avantwireless.com>
>> <mailto:i...@avantwireless.com
>>
>> <mailto:i...@avantwireless.com>>> wrote:
>>
>> Putting plates into a waterflow of that volume will
>> pretty much be
>> certain to rip out of the concrete or create erosion of
>> the concrete
>> around the attachment points.   Cavitation is a
>> bitch...   Right now
>> they can't stop the flow.   Also pretty much most of the
>> spillway
>> below the hole is gone, so there isn't a lot to attach
>> it to.   The
>> turbines are shut down right now because the erosion has
>> created a
>> dam in the stream that has raised the water levels
>> upstream to the
>> point they cannot operate the turbines.   The turbines
>> were maxed
>> out at 15K cfs up to that point.   Yeah, I have been
>> pretty much
>> obsessing over this... My inlaws were stuck going
>> nowhere in Yuba
>> city last night for 4 hours in gridlock ( at one point
>> not moving
>> for 2 hours. ) before deciding it was safer at the house
>> on the
>> second floor...
>>
>>
>>
>> On 02/13/2017 10:36 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:
>>
>> Easy to armchair quarterback but I would think they
>> could bolt 1
>> inch
>> plates over the hole in the main spillway, put some
>> I beam piles
>>             under
>> the plates and open it back up.  At least until they
>>

Re: [AFMUG] OT - Oroville dam

2017-02-14 Thread Robert Andrews 
Yep, just found out a few minutes ago that all my inlaws are coming up 
here because it's a cluster fck down there...   Rumors of a boil on the 
eroded face are going around...


On 02/14/2017 01:36 PM, Bill Prince wrote:

This is more complicated than it might appear. The dam is owned and
operated (remotely) by the DWR, a water agency based in Los Angeles.
When the dam was designed 57 years ago, the auxiliary spillway was said
to "never be needed".

And 10 years ago, when several groups said they thought the spillway was
inadequate, the DWR (Los Angeles) and FERC (the Federal Energy
Regulatory Commission) said the upgrades were unnecessary.

and here we are today.



On Tuesday, February 14, 2017 1:15 PM, Lewis Bergman
<lewis.berg...@gmail.com> wrote:


And why hasn't the teaching district been pouring money into a sinking
fund for this sort of thing? Retarded.  I see it all the time. Some
taxing district builds something but budgets no money to maintain it.
At some point we all have to act like grown ups. Why is it that we don't
expect our governments, at any level, to act at least as responsible as
our neighbors?

On Tue, Feb 14, 2017, 3:05 PM That One Guy /sarcasm
<thatoneguyst...@gmail.com <mailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com>> wrote:

As much of a dick as I want the president to be about the money, if
its money they need to get this thing under control they better get
it, people are homeless right now til this get stabilized

On Tue, Feb 14, 2017 at 2:55 PM, Sam Morris <w...@csilogan.com
<mailto:w...@csilogan.com>> wrote:

Jerry Brown then: Trump is not my president!

Jerry Brown now: President Trump, will you please give us some
money?

:)

On 2/13/2017 1:28 PM, That One Guy /sarcasm wrote:

are they opening dams downstream?

they really could truck in a bunch of 4 foot tile to siphon
over the
banks and direct the flow past the work areas, close the dam
gates and
initiate the repairs. I dont think I would want to be
working the boats
placing the tile topside though

On Mon, Feb 13, 2017 at 1:20 PM, Robert Andrews
<i...@avantwireless.com <mailto:i...@avantwireless.com>
<mailto:i...@avantwireless.com
<mailto:i...@avantwireless.com>>> wrote:

Putting plates into a waterflow of that volume will
pretty much be
certain to rip out of the concrete or create erosion of
the concrete
around the attachment points.   Cavitation is a
bitch...   Right now
they can't stop the flow.   Also pretty much most of the
spillway
below the hole is gone, so there isn't a lot to attach
it to.   The
turbines are shut down right now because the erosion has
created a
dam in the stream that has raised the water levels
upstream to the
point they cannot operate the turbines.   The turbines
were maxed
out at 15K cfs up to that point.   Yeah, I have been
pretty much
obsessing over this... My inlaws were stuck going
nowhere in Yuba
city last night for 4 hours in gridlock ( at one point
not moving
for 2 hours. ) before deciding it was safer at the house
on the
second floor...



On 02/13/2017 10:36 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:

Easy to armchair quarterback but I would think they
could bolt 1
inch
plates over the hole in the main spillway, put some
I beam piles
under
the plates and open it back up.  At least until they
take some
inches
off the reservoir.  I wonder if there is a way they
can set the
angle on
the turbines to waste more water there too.

-Original Message- From: Robert Andrews
Sent: Monday, February 13, 2017 11:28 AM
To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
<mailto:af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>>

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT - Oroville dam

As of this morning they are saying the regular
spillway is
supporting
the 100K cfs without further damage.If that it
true, then
there is
the ability to deal with what's happening over the
next couple
of weeks,
which looks like 4-5 sequential sto

Re: [AFMUG] OT - Oroville dam

2017-02-14 Thread Bill Prince 
This is more complicated than it might appear. The dam is owned and operated 
(remotely) by the DWR, a water agency based in Los Angeles. When the dam was 
designed 57 years ago, the auxiliary spillway was said to "never be needed". 
And 10 years ago, when several groups said they thought the spillway was 
inadequate, the DWR (Los Angeles) and FERC (the Federal Energy Regulatory 
Commission) said the upgrades were unnecessary.
and here we are today.
 

On Tuesday, February 14, 2017 1:15 PM, Lewis Bergman 
<lewis.berg...@gmail.com> wrote:
 

 And why hasn't the teaching district been pouring money into a sinking fund 
for this sort of thing? Retarded.  I see it all the time. Some taxing district 
builds something but budgets no money to maintain it. 
At some point we all have to act like grown ups. Why is it that we don't expect 
our governments, at any level, to act at least as responsible as our neighbors?
On Tue, Feb 14, 2017, 3:05 PM That One Guy /sarcasm <thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> 
wrote:

As much of a dick as I want the president to be about the money, if its money 
they need to get this thing under control they better get it, people are 
homeless right now til this get stabilized
On Tue, Feb 14, 2017 at 2:55 PM, Sam Morris <w...@csilogan.com> wrote:

Jerry Brown then: Trump is not my president!

Jerry Brown now: President Trump, will you please give us some money?

:)

On 2/13/2017 1:28 PM, That One Guy /sarcasm wrote:

are they opening dams downstream?

they really could truck in a bunch of 4 foot tile to siphon over the
banks and direct the flow past the work areas, close the dam gates and
initiate the repairs. I dont think I would want to be working the boats
placing the tile topside though

On Mon, Feb 13, 2017 at 1:20 PM, Robert Andrews <i...@avantwireless.com
<mailto:i...@avantwireless.com>> wrote:

    Putting plates into a waterflow of that volume will pretty much be
    certain to rip out of the concrete or create erosion of the concrete
    around the attachment points.   Cavitation is a bitch...   Right now
    they can't stop the flow.   Also pretty much most of the spillway
    below the hole is gone, so there isn't a lot to attach it to.   The
    turbines are shut down right now because the erosion has created a
    dam in the stream that has raised the water levels upstream to the
    point they cannot operate the turbines.   The turbines were maxed
    out at 15K cfs up to that point.   Yeah, I have been pretty much
    obsessing over this... My inlaws were stuck going nowhere in Yuba
    city last night for 4 hours in gridlock ( at one point not moving
    for 2 hours. ) before deciding it was safer at the house on the
    second floor...



    On 02/13/2017 10:36 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:

        Easy to armchair quarterback but I would think they could bolt 1
        inch
        plates over the hole in the main spillway, put some I beam piles
        under
        the plates and open it back up.  At least until they take some
        inches
        off the reservoir.  I wonder if there is a way they can set the
        angle on
        the turbines to waste more water there too.

        -Original Message- From: Robert Andrews
        Sent: Monday, February 13, 2017 11:28 AM
        To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
        Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT - Oroville dam

        As of this morning they are saying the regular spillway is
        supporting
        the 100K cfs without further damage.    If that it true, then
        there is
        the ability to deal with what's happening over the next couple
        of weeks,
        which looks like 4-5 sequential storms.   We got a 4-5 day break in
        weather this week but if it goes back to last months pattern we
        are in
        serious trouble throughout the west.  That spillway needs to do
        100K cfs
        for weeks to keep pressure off the hillside below the emergency
        spillway.   Californa and the Feds were sued over in 2005 to put
        concrete down on that hillside by the Sierra Club.   The worse case
        situation is that the lake goes over the emergency spillway, it
        erodes
        below, the spillway fails and the hill below what was the
        spillway just
        keeps going away.   Moving water, and it would be a lot, would grand
        canyon the hill...  It would be enough water to destroy most of the
        feather river and Sacramento levee system below the dam..   That
        would
        be really really bad...   ( Inlaws in Yuba city )...

        On 02/13/2017 08:47 AM, Jason Wilson wrote:

            100,000cfs is correct.  That spillway will support
            250,000cfs, but the
            Feather River channel will only support about 216,000cfs.
            It has been
            10 years since the Channel has been stressed to this point,
            last time
            there w

Re: [AFMUG] OT - Oroville dam

2017-02-14 Thread Jaime Solorza 
Finasteride..

On Feb 14, 2017 2:15 PM, "Lewis Bergman" <lewis.berg...@gmail.com> wrote:

> And why hasn't the teaching district been pouring money into a sinking
> fund for this sort of thing? Retarded.  I see it all the time. Some taxing
> district builds something but budgets no money to maintain it.
> At some point we all have to act like grown ups. Why is it that we don't
> expect our governments, at any level, to act at least as responsible as our
> neighbors?
>
> On Tue, Feb 14, 2017, 3:05 PM That One Guy /sarcasm <
> thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> As much of a dick as I want the president to be about the money, if its
>> money they need to get this thing under control they better get it, people
>> are homeless right now til this get stabilized
>>
>> On Tue, Feb 14, 2017 at 2:55 PM, Sam Morris <w...@csilogan.com> wrote:
>>
>> Jerry Brown then: Trump is not my president!
>>
>> Jerry Brown now: President Trump, will you please give us some money?
>>
>> :)
>>
>> On 2/13/2017 1:28 PM, That One Guy /sarcasm wrote:
>>
>> are they opening dams downstream?
>>
>> they really could truck in a bunch of 4 foot tile to siphon over the
>> banks and direct the flow past the work areas, close the dam gates and
>> initiate the repairs. I dont think I would want to be working the boats
>> placing the tile topside though
>>
>> On Mon, Feb 13, 2017 at 1:20 PM, Robert Andrews <i...@avantwireless.com
>> <mailto:i...@avantwireless.com>> wrote:
>>
>> Putting plates into a waterflow of that volume will pretty much be
>> certain to rip out of the concrete or create erosion of the concrete
>> around the attachment points.   Cavitation is a bitch...   Right now
>> they can't stop the flow.   Also pretty much most of the spillway
>> below the hole is gone, so there isn't a lot to attach it to.   The
>> turbines are shut down right now because the erosion has created a
>> dam in the stream that has raised the water levels upstream to the
>> point they cannot operate the turbines.   The turbines were maxed
>> out at 15K cfs up to that point.   Yeah, I have been pretty much
>> obsessing over this... My inlaws were stuck going nowhere in Yuba
>> city last night for 4 hours in gridlock ( at one point not moving
>> for 2 hours. ) before deciding it was safer at the house on the
>> second floor...
>>
>>
>>
>> On 02/13/2017 10:36 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:
>>
>> Easy to armchair quarterback but I would think they could bolt 1
>> inch
>> plates over the hole in the main spillway, put some I beam piles
>> under
>> the plates and open it back up.  At least until they take some
>>     inches
>> off the reservoir.  I wonder if there is a way they can set the
>> angle on
>> the turbines to waste more water there too.
>>
>> -Original Message- From: Robert Andrews
>> Sent: Monday, February 13, 2017 11:28 AM
>> To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
>>
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT - Oroville dam
>>
>> As of this morning they are saying the regular spillway is
>> supporting
>> the 100K cfs without further damage.If that it true, then
>> there is
>> the ability to deal with what's happening over the next couple
>> of weeks,
>> which looks like 4-5 sequential storms.   We got a 4-5 day break
>> in
>> weather this week but if it goes back to last months pattern we
>> are in
>> serious trouble throughout the west.  That spillway needs to do
>> 100K cfs
>> for weeks to keep pressure off the hillside below the emergency
>> spillway.   Californa and the Feds were sued over in 2005 to put
>> concrete down on that hillside by the Sierra Club.   The worse
>> case
>> situation is that the lake goes over the emergency spillway, it
>> erodes
>> below, the spillway fails and the hill below what was the
>> spillway just
>> keeps going away.   Moving water, and it would be a lot, would
>> grand
>> canyon the hill...  It would be enough water to destroy most of
>> the
>> feather river and Sacramento levee system below the dam..   That
>> would
>> be really really bad...   ( Inlaws in Yuba city )...
>>
>> On 02/13

Re: [AFMUG] OT - Oroville dam

2017-02-14 Thread Lewis Bergman 
And why hasn't the teaching district been pouring money into a sinking fund
for this sort of thing? Retarded.  I see it all the time. Some taxing
district builds something but budgets no money to maintain it.
At some point we all have to act like grown ups. Why is it that we don't
expect our governments, at any level, to act at least as responsible as our
neighbors?

On Tue, Feb 14, 2017, 3:05 PM That One Guy /sarcasm <
thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:

> As much of a dick as I want the president to be about the money, if its
> money they need to get this thing under control they better get it, people
> are homeless right now til this get stabilized
>
> On Tue, Feb 14, 2017 at 2:55 PM, Sam Morris <w...@csilogan.com> wrote:
>
> Jerry Brown then: Trump is not my president!
>
> Jerry Brown now: President Trump, will you please give us some money?
>
> :)
>
> On 2/13/2017 1:28 PM, That One Guy /sarcasm wrote:
>
> are they opening dams downstream?
>
> they really could truck in a bunch of 4 foot tile to siphon over the
> banks and direct the flow past the work areas, close the dam gates and
> initiate the repairs. I dont think I would want to be working the boats
> placing the tile topside though
>
> On Mon, Feb 13, 2017 at 1:20 PM, Robert Andrews <i...@avantwireless.com
> <mailto:i...@avantwireless.com>> wrote:
>
> Putting plates into a waterflow of that volume will pretty much be
> certain to rip out of the concrete or create erosion of the concrete
> around the attachment points.   Cavitation is a bitch...   Right now
> they can't stop the flow.   Also pretty much most of the spillway
> below the hole is gone, so there isn't a lot to attach it to.   The
> turbines are shut down right now because the erosion has created a
> dam in the stream that has raised the water levels upstream to the
> point they cannot operate the turbines.   The turbines were maxed
> out at 15K cfs up to that point.   Yeah, I have been pretty much
> obsessing over this... My inlaws were stuck going nowhere in Yuba
> city last night for 4 hours in gridlock ( at one point not moving
> for 2 hours. ) before deciding it was safer at the house on the
> second floor...
>
>
>
> On 02/13/2017 10:36 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:
>
> Easy to armchair quarterback but I would think they could bolt 1
> inch
> plates over the hole in the main spillway, put some I beam piles
> under
> the plates and open it back up.  At least until they take some
> inches
> off the reservoir.  I wonder if there is a way they can set the
> angle on
> the turbines to waste more water there too.
>
>     -----Original Message- From: Robert Andrews
> Sent: Monday, February 13, 2017 11:28 AM
> To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
>
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT - Oroville dam
>
> As of this morning they are saying the regular spillway is
> supporting
> the 100K cfs without further damage.If that it true, then
> there is
> the ability to deal with what's happening over the next couple
> of weeks,
> which looks like 4-5 sequential storms.   We got a 4-5 day break in
> weather this week but if it goes back to last months pattern we
> are in
> serious trouble throughout the west.  That spillway needs to do
> 100K cfs
> for weeks to keep pressure off the hillside below the emergency
> spillway.   Californa and the Feds were sued over in 2005 to put
> concrete down on that hillside by the Sierra Club.   The worse case
> situation is that the lake goes over the emergency spillway, it
> erodes
> below, the spillway fails and the hill below what was the
> spillway just
> keeps going away.   Moving water, and it would be a lot, would
> grand
> canyon the hill...  It would be enough water to destroy most of the
> feather river and Sacramento levee system below the dam..   That
> would
> be really really bad...   ( Inlaws in Yuba city )...
>
> On 02/13/2017 08:47 AM, Jason Wilson wrote:
>
> 100,000cfs is correct.  That spillway will support
> 250,000cfs, but the
> Feather River channel will only support about 216,000cfs.
> It has been
> 10 years since the Channel has been stressed to this point,
> last time
> there were levee breaches.  Their hope is to drawdown the
> reservoir 50
> feet below the rim to do a couple things, o

Re: [AFMUG] OT - Oroville dam

2017-02-14 Thread Robert Andrews 
Same thing with Texas and Obama...   It's all the same story over and 
over...


On 02/14/2017 12:55 PM, Sam Morris wrote:

Jerry Brown then: Trump is not my president!

Jerry Brown now: President Trump, will you please give us some money?

:)

On 2/13/2017 1:28 PM, That One Guy /sarcasm wrote:

are they opening dams downstream?

they really could truck in a bunch of 4 foot tile to siphon over the
banks and direct the flow past the work areas, close the dam gates and
initiate the repairs. I dont think I would want to be working the boats
placing the tile topside though

On Mon, Feb 13, 2017 at 1:20 PM, Robert Andrews <i...@avantwireless.com
<mailto:i...@avantwireless.com>> wrote:

Putting plates into a waterflow of that volume will pretty much be
certain to rip out of the concrete or create erosion of the concrete
around the attachment points.   Cavitation is a bitch...   Right now
they can't stop the flow.   Also pretty much most of the spillway
below the hole is gone, so there isn't a lot to attach it to.   The
turbines are shut down right now because the erosion has created a
dam in the stream that has raised the water levels upstream to the
point they cannot operate the turbines.   The turbines were maxed
out at 15K cfs up to that point.   Yeah, I have been pretty much
obsessing over this... My inlaws were stuck going nowhere in Yuba
city last night for 4 hours in gridlock ( at one point not moving
for 2 hours. ) before deciding it was safer at the house on the
second floor...



On 02/13/2017 10:36 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:

Easy to armchair quarterback but I would think they could bolt 1
inch
plates over the hole in the main spillway, put some I beam piles
under
the plates and open it back up.  At least until they take some
inches
off the reservoir.  I wonder if there is a way they can set the
angle on
the turbines to waste more water there too.

-Original Message- From: Robert Andrews
Sent: Monday, February 13, 2017 11:28 AM
To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
    Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT - Oroville dam

As of this morning they are saying the regular spillway is
supporting
the 100K cfs without further damage.If that it true, then
there is
the ability to deal with what's happening over the next couple
of weeks,
which looks like 4-5 sequential storms.   We got a 4-5 day
break in
weather this week but if it goes back to last months pattern we
are in
serious trouble throughout the west.  That spillway needs to do
100K cfs
for weeks to keep pressure off the hillside below the emergency
spillway.   Californa and the Feds were sued over in 2005 to put
concrete down on that hillside by the Sierra Club.   The worse
case
situation is that the lake goes over the emergency spillway, it
erodes
below, the spillway fails and the hill below what was the
spillway just
keeps going away.   Moving water, and it would be a lot, would
grand
canyon the hill...  It would be enough water to destroy most
of the
feather river and Sacramento levee system below the dam..   That
would
be really really bad...   ( Inlaws in Yuba city )...

On 02/13/2017 08:47 AM, Jason Wilson wrote:

100,000cfs is correct.  That spillway will support
250,000cfs, but the
Feather River channel will only support about 216,000cfs.
It has been
10 years since the Channel has been stressed to this point,
last time
there were levee breaches.  Their hope is to drawdown the
reservoir 50
feet below the rim to do a couple things, one is to take
pressure off of
the presumed damaged emergency spillway.  The other is to
make room for
precip that is coming into california towards the end of the
week.  Of
course they cannot do any repairs to the facility until
after the rainy
season is over, and the snowmelt had finished.



Jason Wilson
Remotely Located
Providing High Speed Internet to out of the way places.
530-651-1736 
530-748-9608  Cell
www.remotelylocated.com <http://www.remotelylocated.com>
<http://www.remotelylocated.com
<http://www.remotelylocated.com>>

On Mon, Feb 13, 2017 at 8:31 AM, Bill Prince
<part15...@gmail.com <mailto:part15...@gmail.com>
<mailto:part15...@gmail.com <mailto:part15...@gmail.com>>>
wrote:

 I heard a reporter saying that the water going over
tha

Re: [AFMUG] OT - Oroville dam

2017-02-14 Thread That One Guy /sarcasm 
As much of a dick as I want the president to be about the money, if its
money they need to get this thing under control they better get it, people
are homeless right now til this get stabilized

On Tue, Feb 14, 2017 at 2:55 PM, Sam Morris <w...@csilogan.com> wrote:

> Jerry Brown then: Trump is not my president!
>
> Jerry Brown now: President Trump, will you please give us some money?
>
> :)
>
> On 2/13/2017 1:28 PM, That One Guy /sarcasm wrote:
>
>> are they opening dams downstream?
>>
>> they really could truck in a bunch of 4 foot tile to siphon over the
>> banks and direct the flow past the work areas, close the dam gates and
>> initiate the repairs. I dont think I would want to be working the boats
>> placing the tile topside though
>>
>> On Mon, Feb 13, 2017 at 1:20 PM, Robert Andrews <i...@avantwireless.com
>> <mailto:i...@avantwireless.com>> wrote:
>>
>> Putting plates into a waterflow of that volume will pretty much be
>> certain to rip out of the concrete or create erosion of the concrete
>> around the attachment points.   Cavitation is a bitch...   Right now
>> they can't stop the flow.   Also pretty much most of the spillway
>> below the hole is gone, so there isn't a lot to attach it to.   The
>> turbines are shut down right now because the erosion has created a
>> dam in the stream that has raised the water levels upstream to the
>> point they cannot operate the turbines.   The turbines were maxed
>> out at 15K cfs up to that point.   Yeah, I have been pretty much
>> obsessing over this... My inlaws were stuck going nowhere in Yuba
>> city last night for 4 hours in gridlock ( at one point not moving
>> for 2 hours. ) before deciding it was safer at the house on the
>> second floor...
>>
>>
>>
>> On 02/13/2017 10:36 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:
>>
>> Easy to armchair quarterback but I would think they could bolt 1
>> inch
>> plates over the hole in the main spillway, put some I beam piles
>> under
>> the plates and open it back up.  At least until they take some
>> inches
>> off the reservoir.  I wonder if there is a way they can set the
>>         angle on
>>     the turbines to waste more water there too.
>>
>> -Original Message- From: Robert Andrews
>> Sent: Monday, February 13, 2017 11:28 AM
>> To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
>>
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT - Oroville dam
>>
>> As of this morning they are saying the regular spillway is
>> supporting
>> the 100K cfs without further damage.If that it true, then
>> there is
>> the ability to deal with what's happening over the next couple
>> of weeks,
>> which looks like 4-5 sequential storms.   We got a 4-5 day break
>> in
>> weather this week but if it goes back to last months pattern we
>> are in
>> serious trouble throughout the west.  That spillway needs to do
>> 100K cfs
>> for weeks to keep pressure off the hillside below the emergency
>> spillway.   Californa and the Feds were sued over in 2005 to put
>> concrete down on that hillside by the Sierra Club.   The worse
>> case
>> situation is that the lake goes over the emergency spillway, it
>> erodes
>> below, the spillway fails and the hill below what was the
>> spillway just
>> keeps going away.   Moving water, and it would be a lot, would
>> grand
>> canyon the hill...  It would be enough water to destroy most of
>> the
>> feather river and Sacramento levee system below the dam..   That
>> would
>> be really really bad...   ( Inlaws in Yuba city )...
>>
>> On 02/13/2017 08:47 AM, Jason Wilson wrote:
>>
>> 100,000cfs is correct.  That spillway will support
>> 250,000cfs, but the
>> Feather River channel will only support about 216,000cfs.
>> It has been
>> 10 years since the Channel has been stressed to this point,
>> last time
>> there were levee breaches.  Their hope is to drawdown the
>> reservoir 50
>> feet below the rim to do a couple things, one is to take
>> pressure off of
>> the presumed damaged emergency spillway.  The other is to
>>

Re: [AFMUG] OT - Oroville dam

2017-02-14 Thread Sam Morris 

Jerry Brown then: Trump is not my president!

Jerry Brown now: President Trump, will you please give us some money?

:)

On 2/13/2017 1:28 PM, That One Guy /sarcasm wrote:

are they opening dams downstream?

they really could truck in a bunch of 4 foot tile to siphon over the
banks and direct the flow past the work areas, close the dam gates and
initiate the repairs. I dont think I would want to be working the boats
placing the tile topside though

On Mon, Feb 13, 2017 at 1:20 PM, Robert Andrews <i...@avantwireless.com
<mailto:i...@avantwireless.com>> wrote:

Putting plates into a waterflow of that volume will pretty much be
certain to rip out of the concrete or create erosion of the concrete
around the attachment points.   Cavitation is a bitch...   Right now
they can't stop the flow.   Also pretty much most of the spillway
below the hole is gone, so there isn't a lot to attach it to.   The
turbines are shut down right now because the erosion has created a
dam in the stream that has raised the water levels upstream to the
point they cannot operate the turbines.   The turbines were maxed
out at 15K cfs up to that point.   Yeah, I have been pretty much
obsessing over this... My inlaws were stuck going nowhere in Yuba
city last night for 4 hours in gridlock ( at one point not moving
for 2 hours. ) before deciding it was safer at the house on the
second floor...



On 02/13/2017 10:36 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:

Easy to armchair quarterback but I would think they could bolt 1
inch
plates over the hole in the main spillway, put some I beam piles
under
the plates and open it back up.  At least until they take some
inches
off the reservoir.  I wonder if there is a way they can set the
angle on
the turbines to waste more water there too.

-Original Message- From: Robert Andrews
Sent: Monday, February 13, 2017 11:28 AM
To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
    Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT - Oroville dam

As of this morning they are saying the regular spillway is
supporting
the 100K cfs without further damage.If that it true, then
there is
the ability to deal with what's happening over the next couple
of weeks,
which looks like 4-5 sequential storms.   We got a 4-5 day break in
weather this week but if it goes back to last months pattern we
are in
serious trouble throughout the west.  That spillway needs to do
100K cfs
for weeks to keep pressure off the hillside below the emergency
spillway.   Californa and the Feds were sued over in 2005 to put
concrete down on that hillside by the Sierra Club.   The worse case
situation is that the lake goes over the emergency spillway, it
erodes
below, the spillway fails and the hill below what was the
spillway just
keeps going away.   Moving water, and it would be a lot, would grand
canyon the hill...  It would be enough water to destroy most of the
feather river and Sacramento levee system below the dam..   That
would
be really really bad...   ( Inlaws in Yuba city )...

On 02/13/2017 08:47 AM, Jason Wilson wrote:

100,000cfs is correct.  That spillway will support
250,000cfs, but the
Feather River channel will only support about 216,000cfs.
It has been
10 years since the Channel has been stressed to this point,
last time
there were levee breaches.  Their hope is to drawdown the
reservoir 50
feet below the rim to do a couple things, one is to take
pressure off of
the presumed damaged emergency spillway.  The other is to
make room for
precip that is coming into california towards the end of the
week.  Of
course they cannot do any repairs to the facility until
after the rainy
season is over, and the snowmelt had finished.



Jason Wilson
Remotely Located
Providing High Speed Internet to out of the way places.
530-651-1736 
530-748-9608  Cell
www.remotelylocated.com <http://www.remotelylocated.com>
<http://www.remotelylocated.com
<http://www.remotelylocated.com>>

On Mon, Feb 13, 2017 at 8:31 AM, Bill Prince
<part15...@gmail.com <mailto:part15...@gmail.com>
<mailto:part15...@gmail.com <mailto:part15...@gmail.com>>>
wrote:

 I heard a reporter saying that the water going over
that spillway
 was doing 100,000 cubic feet per second. I have a
really hard time

Re: [AFMUG] OT - Oroville dam

2017-02-13 Thread Bill Prince 
There was a discussion about this 10 years ago. 
(https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-nation/wp/2017/02/13/officials-were-warned-the-oroville-dam-emergency-spillway-wasnt-safe-they-didnt-listen/?utm_term=.6e5238eb1b88)


bp


On 2/13/2017 8:11 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:


So the �good news� is they�re going to drop bags of rocks from 
helicopters?


I hope my good news never involves helicopters dropping rocks.

Re: [AFMUG] OT - Oroville dam

2017-02-13 Thread Seth Mattinen 

On 2/13/17 11:49, Jason Wilson wrote:

There are no Dams downstream.  The Feather empties to the Sacramento
River.  There are a number a weirs on the Sacramento that have been
opened to the Bypass (land designated and designed to flood, Farm land,
Rice Paddies) to absorb additional flow that we have experienced in the
last month or so.  IF and a big IF the spillway were to fail as the
expected last night I do not think the Sacramento River system would be
able to absorb the flow and would be catastrophic downstream in the
Sacramento Valley.




Yolo was looking pretty full last night. But it was mostly dark by the 
time I drove by.


~Seth

Re: [AFMUG] OT - Oroville dam

2017-02-13 Thread Jason Wilson 
There are no Dams downstream.  The Feather empties to the Sacramento
River.  There are a number a weirs on the Sacramento that have been opened
to the Bypass (land designated and designed to flood, Farm land, Rice
Paddies) to absorb additional flow that we have experienced in the last
month or so.  IF and a big IF the spillway were to fail as the expected
last night I do not think the Sacramento River system would be able to
absorb the flow and would be catastrophic downstream in the Sacramento
Valley.



Jason Wilson
Remotely Located
Providing High Speed Internet to out of the way places.
530-651-1736
530-748-9608 Cell
www.remotelylocated.com

On Mon, Feb 13, 2017 at 11:28 AM, That One Guy /sarcasm <
thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:

> are they opening dams downstream?
>
> they really could truck in a bunch of 4 foot tile to siphon over the banks
> and direct the flow past the work areas, close the dam gates and initiate
> the repairs. I dont think I would want to be working the boats placing the
> tile topside though
>
> On Mon, Feb 13, 2017 at 1:20 PM, Robert Andrews <i...@avantwireless.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Putting plates into a waterflow of that volume will pretty much be
>> certain to rip out of the concrete or create erosion of the concrete around
>> the attachment points.   Cavitation is a bitch...   Right now they can't
>> stop the flow.   Also pretty much most of the spillway below the hole is
>> gone, so there isn't a lot to attach it to.   The turbines are shut down
>> right now because the erosion has created a dam in the stream that has
>> raised the water levels upstream to the point they cannot operate the
>> turbines.   The turbines were maxed out at 15K cfs up to that point.
>>  Yeah, I have been pretty much obsessing over this... My inlaws were stuck
>> going nowhere in Yuba city last night for 4 hours in gridlock ( at one
>> point not moving for 2 hours. ) before deciding it was safer at the house
>> on the second floor...
>>
>>
>>
>> On 02/13/2017 10:36 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:
>>
>>> Easy to armchair quarterback but I would think they could bolt 1 inch
>>> plates over the hole in the main spillway, put some I beam piles under
>>> the plates and open it back up.  At least until they take some inches
>>> off the reservoir.  I wonder if there is a way they can set the angle on
>>> the turbines to waste more water there too.
>>>
>>> -Original Message- From: Robert Andrews
>>> Sent: Monday, February 13, 2017 11:28 AM
>>> To: af@afmug.com
>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT - Oroville dam
>>>
>>> As of this morning they are saying the regular spillway is supporting
>>> the 100K cfs without further damage.If that it true, then there is
>>> the ability to deal with what's happening over the next couple of weeks,
>>> which looks like 4-5 sequential storms.   We got a 4-5 day break in
>>> weather this week but if it goes back to last months pattern we are in
>>> serious trouble throughout the west.  That spillway needs to do 100K cfs
>>> for weeks to keep pressure off the hillside below the emergency
>>> spillway.   Californa and the Feds were sued over in 2005 to put
>>> concrete down on that hillside by the Sierra Club.   The worse case
>>> situation is that the lake goes over the emergency spillway, it erodes
>>> below, the spillway fails and the hill below what was the spillway just
>>> keeps going away.   Moving water, and it would be a lot, would grand
>>> canyon the hill...  It would be enough water to destroy most of the
>>> feather river and Sacramento levee system below the dam..   That would
>>> be really really bad...   ( Inlaws in Yuba city )...
>>>
>>> On 02/13/2017 08:47 AM, Jason Wilson wrote:
>>>
>>>> 100,000cfs is correct.  That spillway will support 250,000cfs, but the
>>>> Feather River channel will only support about 216,000cfs.  It has been
>>>> 10 years since the Channel has been stressed to this point, last time
>>>> there were levee breaches.  Their hope is to drawdown the reservoir 50
>>>> feet below the rim to do a couple things, one is to take pressure off of
>>>> the presumed damaged emergency spillway.  The other is to make room for
>>>> precip that is coming into california towards the end of the week.  Of
>>>> course they cannot do any repairs to the facility until after the rainy
>>>> season is over, and the snowmelt had finished.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Jason Wilson
>>>> Remotely Located
>>&g

Re: [AFMUG] OT - Oroville dam

2017-02-13 Thread Jay Weekley 

To bad it's water and not beer. I could take care of problem myself.

Chuck McCown wrote:

Good use for aging nukes.
*From:* Josh Reynolds
*Sent:* Monday, February 13, 2017 11:38 AM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT - Oroville dam
O/T Physics question:
What kind of energy would be required to cause evaporation of some of 
the water?

Would this be possible?
On Feb 13, 2017 12:36 PM, "Chuck McCown" <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:

Easy to armchair quarterback but I would think they could bolt 1
inch plates over the hole in the main spillway, put some I beam
piles under the plates and open it back up.  At least until they
take some inches off the reservoir.  I wonder if there is a way
they can set the angle on the turbines to waste more water there too.

-Original Message- From: Robert Andrews
Sent: Monday, February 13, 2017 11:28 AM
To: af@afmug.com
    Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT - Oroville dam

As of this morning they are saying the regular spillway is supporting
the 100K cfs without further damage.If that it true, then there is
the ability to deal with what's happening over the next couple of
weeks,
which looks like 4-5 sequential storms.   We got a 4-5 day break in
weather this week but if it goes back to last months pattern we are in
serious trouble throughout the west.  That spillway needs to do
100K cfs
for weeks to keep pressure off the hillside below the emergency
spillway.   Californa and the Feds were sued over in 2005 to put
concrete down on that hillside by the Sierra Club. The worse case
situation is that the lake goes over the emergency spillway, it erodes
below, the spillway fails and the hill below what was the spillway
just
keeps going away.   Moving water, and it would be a lot, would grand
canyon the hill...  It would be enough water to destroy most of the
feather river and Sacramento levee system below the dam..   That would
be really really bad...   ( Inlaws in Yuba city )...

On 02/13/2017 08:47 AM, Jason Wilson wrote:

100,000cfs is correct.  That spillway will support 250,000cfs,
but the
Feather River channel will only support about 216,000cfs.  It
has been
10 years since the Channel has been stressed to this point,
last time
there were levee breaches.  Their hope is to drawdown the
reservoir 50
feet below the rim to do a couple things, one is to take
pressure off of
the presumed damaged emergency spillway.  The other is to make
room for
precip that is coming into california towards the end of the
week.  Of
course they cannot do any repairs to the facility until after
the rainy
season is over, and the snowmelt had finished.



Jason Wilson
Remotely Located
Providing High Speed Internet to out of the way places.
530-651-1736 
530-748-9608  Cell
www.remotelylocated.com <http://www.remotelylocated.com>
<http://www.remotelylocated.com <http://www.remotelylocated.com>>

On Mon, Feb 13, 2017 at 8:31 AM, Bill Prince <part15...@gmail.com
<mailto:part15...@gmail.com>> wrote:

I heard a reporter saying that the water going over that
spillway
was doing 100,000 cubic feet per second. I have a really
hard time
visualizing that amount of water. Could also have been a
mis-quote
by the reporter...


bp
<part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>

On 2/13/2017 8:11 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:


So the �good news� is they�re going to drop bags
of rocks
from helicopters?

__�__

I hope my good news never involves helicopters
dropping rocks.




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Re: [AFMUG] OT - Oroville dam

2017-02-13 Thread Chuck McCown 

I had to drive out of my way for months due to this guy:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Scott_(criminal)

I lived in Quincy when this happened.  Almost happened on live TV, they have 
TV footage of him waling away from the breach he caused.


-Original Message- 
From: Sam Morris

Sent: Monday, February 13, 2017 12:30 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT - Oroville dam

On 2/13/2017 10:30 AM, Bill Prince wrote:

I heard a reporter saying that the water going over that spillway was
doing 100,000 cubic feet per second. I have a really hard time
visualizing that amount of water. Could also have been a mis-quote by
the reporter...


In 2011 when the Army Corps of Engineers mismanaged the six main stem
dams on the Missouri River, causing them all to exceed their capacity
when the upper-Mo River basin got above-average precipitation in May of
that year, they were releasing over 180,000 cubic feet of water per
second at the Gavins Point dam in South Dakota. There were a lot of
pissed-off people over that. Many people lost their homes. I had to
drive damn near 100 miles out of my way for three months to get to and
from work... but at least I didn't lose my home.

Sam




bp
<part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>

On 2/13/2017 8:11 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:


So the �good news� is they�re going to drop bags of rocks from
helicopters?

�

I hope my good news never involves helicopters dropping rocks.

Re: [AFMUG] OT - Oroville dam

2017-02-13 Thread Sam Morris 
Here's a youtube video of Gavins Point releasing 160,000 cubic feet per 
second. They later had it running at nearly 200,000 cubic feet per second.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-N-22IVjn0M



On 2/13/2017 1:30 PM, Sam Morris wrote:

On 2/13/2017 10:30 AM, Bill Prince wrote:

I heard a reporter saying that the water going over that spillway was
doing 100,000 cubic feet per second. I have a really hard time
visualizing that amount of water. Could also have been a mis-quote by
the reporter...


In 2011 when the Army Corps of Engineers mismanaged the six main stem
dams on the Missouri River, causing them all to exceed their capacity
when the upper-Mo River basin got above-average precipitation in May of
that year, they were releasing over 180,000 cubic feet of water per
second at the Gavins Point dam in South Dakota. There were a lot of
pissed-off people over that. Many people lost their homes. I had to
drive damn near 100 miles out of my way for three months to get to and
from work... but at least I didn't lose my home.

Sam




bp


On 2/13/2017 8:11 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:


So the �good news� is they�re going to drop bags of rocks from
helicopters?

�

I hope my good news never involves helicopters dropping rocks.

Re: [AFMUG] OT - Oroville dam

2017-02-13 Thread Sam Morris 

On 2/13/2017 10:30 AM, Bill Prince wrote:

I heard a reporter saying that the water going over that spillway was
doing 100,000 cubic feet per second. I have a really hard time
visualizing that amount of water. Could also have been a mis-quote by
the reporter...


In 2011 when the Army Corps of Engineers mismanaged the six main stem 
dams on the Missouri River, causing them all to exceed their capacity 
when the upper-Mo River basin got above-average precipitation in May of 
that year, they were releasing over 180,000 cubic feet of water per 
second at the Gavins Point dam in South Dakota. There were a lot of 
pissed-off people over that. Many people lost their homes. I had to 
drive damn near 100 miles out of my way for three months to get to and 
from work... but at least I didn't lose my home.


Sam




bp


On 2/13/2017 8:11 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:


So the �good news� is they�re going to drop bags of rocks from
helicopters?

�

I hope my good news never involves helicopters dropping rocks.

Re: [AFMUG] OT - Oroville dam

2017-02-13 Thread That One Guy /sarcasm 
are they opening dams downstream?

they really could truck in a bunch of 4 foot tile to siphon over the banks
and direct the flow past the work areas, close the dam gates and initiate
the repairs. I dont think I would want to be working the boats placing the
tile topside though

On Mon, Feb 13, 2017 at 1:20 PM, Robert Andrews <i...@avantwireless.com>
wrote:

> Putting plates into a waterflow of that volume will pretty much be certain
> to rip out of the concrete or create erosion of the concrete around the
> attachment points.   Cavitation is a bitch...   Right now they can't stop
> the flow.   Also pretty much most of the spillway below the hole is gone,
> so there isn't a lot to attach it to.   The turbines are shut down right
> now because the erosion has created a dam in the stream that has raised the
> water levels upstream to the point they cannot operate the turbines.   The
> turbines were maxed out at 15K cfs up to that point.   Yeah, I have been
> pretty much obsessing over this... My inlaws were stuck going nowhere in
> Yuba city last night for 4 hours in gridlock ( at one point not moving for
> 2 hours. ) before deciding it was safer at the house on the second floor...
>
>
>
> On 02/13/2017 10:36 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:
>
>> Easy to armchair quarterback but I would think they could bolt 1 inch
>> plates over the hole in the main spillway, put some I beam piles under
>> the plates and open it back up.  At least until they take some inches
>> off the reservoir.  I wonder if there is a way they can set the angle on
>> the turbines to waste more water there too.
>>
>> -Original Message- From: Robert Andrews
>> Sent: Monday, February 13, 2017 11:28 AM
>> To: af@afmug.com
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT - Oroville dam
>>
>> As of this morning they are saying the regular spillway is supporting
>> the 100K cfs without further damage.If that it true, then there is
>> the ability to deal with what's happening over the next couple of weeks,
>> which looks like 4-5 sequential storms.   We got a 4-5 day break in
>> weather this week but if it goes back to last months pattern we are in
>> serious trouble throughout the west.  That spillway needs to do 100K cfs
>> for weeks to keep pressure off the hillside below the emergency
>> spillway.   Californa and the Feds were sued over in 2005 to put
>> concrete down on that hillside by the Sierra Club.   The worse case
>> situation is that the lake goes over the emergency spillway, it erodes
>> below, the spillway fails and the hill below what was the spillway just
>> keeps going away.   Moving water, and it would be a lot, would grand
>> canyon the hill...  It would be enough water to destroy most of the
>> feather river and Sacramento levee system below the dam..   That would
>> be really really bad...   ( Inlaws in Yuba city )...
>>
>> On 02/13/2017 08:47 AM, Jason Wilson wrote:
>>
>>> 100,000cfs is correct.  That spillway will support 250,000cfs, but the
>>> Feather River channel will only support about 216,000cfs.  It has been
>>> 10 years since the Channel has been stressed to this point, last time
>>> there were levee breaches.  Their hope is to drawdown the reservoir 50
>>> feet below the rim to do a couple things, one is to take pressure off of
>>> the presumed damaged emergency spillway.  The other is to make room for
>>> precip that is coming into california towards the end of the week.  Of
>>> course they cannot do any repairs to the facility until after the rainy
>>> season is over, and the snowmelt had finished.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Jason Wilson
>>> Remotely Located
>>> Providing High Speed Internet to out of the way places.
>>> 530-651-1736
>>> 530-748-9608 Cell
>>> www.remotelylocated.com <http://www.remotelylocated.com>
>>>
>>> On Mon, Feb 13, 2017 at 8:31 AM, Bill Prince <part15...@gmail.com
>>> <mailto:part15...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>
>>> I heard a reporter saying that the water going over that spillway
>>> was doing 100,000 cubic feet per second. I have a really hard time
>>> visualizing that amount of water. Could also have been a mis-quote
>>> by the reporter...
>>>
>>>
>>> bp
>>> <part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>
>>>
>>> On 2/13/2017 8:11 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> So the �good news� is they�re going to drop bags of rocks
>>>> from helicopters?
>>>>
>>>> __�__
>>>>
>>>> I hope my good news never involves helicopters dropping rocks.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>


-- 
If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] OT - Oroville dam

2017-02-13 Thread Robert Andrews 

i.e Trump...  I wanna be a "rainmaker"  ?

On 02/13/2017 10:48 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:

Good use for aging nukes.

*From:* Josh Reynolds
*Sent:* Monday, February 13, 2017 11:38 AM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT - Oroville dam

O/T Physics question:

What kind of energy would be required to cause evaporation of some of
the water?

Would this be possible?

On Feb 13, 2017 12:36 PM, "Chuck McCown" <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:

Easy to armchair quarterback but I would think they could bolt 1
inch plates over the hole in the main spillway, put some I beam
piles under the plates and open it back up.  At least until they
take some inches off the reservoir.  I wonder if there is a way they
can set the angle on the turbines to waste more water there too.

-Original Message- From: Robert Andrews
Sent: Monday, February 13, 2017 11:28 AM
To: af@afmug.com
    Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT - Oroville dam

As of this morning they are saying the regular spillway is supporting
the 100K cfs without further damage.If that it true, then there is
the ability to deal with what's happening over the next couple of weeks,
which looks like 4-5 sequential storms.   We got a 4-5 day break in
weather this week but if it goes back to last months pattern we are in
serious trouble throughout the west.  That spillway needs to do 100K cfs
for weeks to keep pressure off the hillside below the emergency
spillway.   Californa and the Feds were sued over in 2005 to put
concrete down on that hillside by the Sierra Club.   The worse case
situation is that the lake goes over the emergency spillway, it erodes
below, the spillway fails and the hill below what was the spillway just
keeps going away.   Moving water, and it would be a lot, would grand
canyon the hill...  It would be enough water to destroy most of the
feather river and Sacramento levee system below the dam..   That would
be really really bad...   ( Inlaws in Yuba city )...

On 02/13/2017 08:47 AM, Jason Wilson wrote:

100,000cfs is correct.  That spillway will support 250,000cfs,
but the
Feather River channel will only support about 216,000cfs.  It
has been
10 years since the Channel has been stressed to this point, last
time
there were levee breaches.  Their hope is to drawdown the
reservoir 50
feet below the rim to do a couple things, one is to take
pressure off of
the presumed damaged emergency spillway.  The other is to make
room for
precip that is coming into california towards the end of the
week.  Of
course they cannot do any repairs to the facility until after
the rainy
season is over, and the snowmelt had finished.



Jason Wilson
Remotely Located
Providing High Speed Internet to out of the way places.
530-651-1736 
530-748-9608  Cell
www.remotelylocated.com <http://www.remotelylocated.com>
<http://www.remotelylocated.com <http://www.remotelylocated.com>>

On Mon, Feb 13, 2017 at 8:31 AM, Bill Prince <part15...@gmail.com
<mailto:part15...@gmail.com>> wrote:

I heard a reporter saying that the water going over that
spillway
was doing 100,000 cubic feet per second. I have a really
hard time
visualizing that amount of water. Could also have been a
mis-quote
by the reporter...


bp
<part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>

On 2/13/2017 8:11 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:


So the �good news� is they�re going to drop bags
of rocks
from helicopters?

__�__

I hope my good news never involves helicopters dropping
rocks.

Re: [AFMUG] OT - Oroville dam

2017-02-13 Thread Robert Andrews 
Putting plates into a waterflow of that volume will pretty much be 
certain to rip out of the concrete or create erosion of the concrete 
around the attachment points.   Cavitation is a bitch...   Right now 
they can't stop the flow.   Also pretty much most of the spillway below 
the hole is gone, so there isn't a lot to attach it to.   The turbines 
are shut down right now because the erosion has created a dam in the 
stream that has raised the water levels upstream to the point they 
cannot operate the turbines.   The turbines were maxed out at 15K cfs up 
to that point.   Yeah, I have been pretty much obsessing over this... 
My inlaws were stuck going nowhere in Yuba city last night for 4 hours 
in gridlock ( at one point not moving for 2 hours. ) before deciding it 
was safer at the house on the second floor...



On 02/13/2017 10:36 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:

Easy to armchair quarterback but I would think they could bolt 1 inch
plates over the hole in the main spillway, put some I beam piles under
the plates and open it back up.  At least until they take some inches
off the reservoir.  I wonder if there is a way they can set the angle on
the turbines to waste more water there too.

-Original Message- From: Robert Andrews
Sent: Monday, February 13, 2017 11:28 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT - Oroville dam

As of this morning they are saying the regular spillway is supporting
the 100K cfs without further damage.If that it true, then there is
the ability to deal with what's happening over the next couple of weeks,
which looks like 4-5 sequential storms.   We got a 4-5 day break in
weather this week but if it goes back to last months pattern we are in
serious trouble throughout the west.  That spillway needs to do 100K cfs
for weeks to keep pressure off the hillside below the emergency
spillway.   Californa and the Feds were sued over in 2005 to put
concrete down on that hillside by the Sierra Club.   The worse case
situation is that the lake goes over the emergency spillway, it erodes
below, the spillway fails and the hill below what was the spillway just
keeps going away.   Moving water, and it would be a lot, would grand
canyon the hill...  It would be enough water to destroy most of the
feather river and Sacramento levee system below the dam..   That would
be really really bad...   ( Inlaws in Yuba city )...

On 02/13/2017 08:47 AM, Jason Wilson wrote:

100,000cfs is correct.  That spillway will support 250,000cfs, but the
Feather River channel will only support about 216,000cfs.  It has been
10 years since the Channel has been stressed to this point, last time
there were levee breaches.  Their hope is to drawdown the reservoir 50
feet below the rim to do a couple things, one is to take pressure off of
the presumed damaged emergency spillway.  The other is to make room for
precip that is coming into california towards the end of the week.  Of
course they cannot do any repairs to the facility until after the rainy
season is over, and the snowmelt had finished.



Jason Wilson
Remotely Located
Providing High Speed Internet to out of the way places.
530-651-1736
530-748-9608 Cell
www.remotelylocated.com <http://www.remotelylocated.com>

On Mon, Feb 13, 2017 at 8:31 AM, Bill Prince <part15...@gmail.com
<mailto:part15...@gmail.com>> wrote:

I heard a reporter saying that the water going over that spillway
was doing 100,000 cubic feet per second. I have a really hard time
visualizing that amount of water. Could also have been a mis-quote
by the reporter...


bp
<part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>

On 2/13/2017 8:11 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:


So the �good news� is they�re going to drop bags of rocks
from helicopters?

__�__

I hope my good news never involves helicopters dropping rocks.

Re: [AFMUG] OT - Oroville dam

2017-02-13 Thread Chuck McCown 
Good use for aging nukes.  

From: Josh Reynolds 
Sent: Monday, February 13, 2017 11:38 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT - Oroville dam

O/T Physics question: 

What kind of energy would be required to cause evaporation of some of the water?

Would this be possible?

On Feb 13, 2017 12:36 PM, "Chuck McCown" <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:

  Easy to armchair quarterback but I would think they could bolt 1 inch plates 
over the hole in the main spillway, put some I beam piles under the plates and 
open it back up.  At least until they take some inches off the reservoir.  I 
wonder if there is a way they can set the angle on the turbines to waste more 
water there too.

  -Original Message- From: Robert Andrews
  Sent: Monday, February 13, 2017 11:28 AM
  To: af@afmug.com
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT - Oroville dam

  As of this morning they are saying the regular spillway is supporting
  the 100K cfs without further damage.If that it true, then there is
  the ability to deal with what's happening over the next couple of weeks,
  which looks like 4-5 sequential storms.   We got a 4-5 day break in
  weather this week but if it goes back to last months pattern we are in
  serious trouble throughout the west.  That spillway needs to do 100K cfs
  for weeks to keep pressure off the hillside below the emergency
  spillway.   Californa and the Feds were sued over in 2005 to put
  concrete down on that hillside by the Sierra Club.   The worse case
  situation is that the lake goes over the emergency spillway, it erodes
  below, the spillway fails and the hill below what was the spillway just
  keeps going away.   Moving water, and it would be a lot, would grand
  canyon the hill...  It would be enough water to destroy most of the
  feather river and Sacramento levee system below the dam..   That would
  be really really bad...   ( Inlaws in Yuba city )...

  On 02/13/2017 08:47 AM, Jason Wilson wrote:

100,000cfs is correct.  That spillway will support 250,000cfs, but the
Feather River channel will only support about 216,000cfs.  It has been
10 years since the Channel has been stressed to this point, last time
there were levee breaches.  Their hope is to drawdown the reservoir 50
feet below the rim to do a couple things, one is to take pressure off of
the presumed damaged emergency spillway.  The other is to make room for
precip that is coming into california towards the end of the week.  Of
course they cannot do any repairs to the facility until after the rainy
season is over, and the snowmelt had finished.



Jason Wilson
Remotely Located
Providing High Speed Internet to out of the way places.
530-651-1736
530-748-9608 Cell
www.remotelylocated.com <http://www.remotelylocated.com>

On Mon, Feb 13, 2017 at 8:31 AM, Bill Prince <part15...@gmail.com
<mailto:part15...@gmail.com>> wrote:

I heard a reporter saying that the water going over that spillway
was doing 100,000 cubic feet per second. I have a really hard time
visualizing that amount of water. Could also have been a mis-quote
by the reporter...


bp
<part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>

On 2/13/2017 8:11 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:


  So the �good news� is they�re going to drop bags of rocks
  from helicopters?

  __�__

  I hope my good news never involves helicopters dropping rocks.

Re: [AFMUG] OT - Oroville dam

2017-02-13 Thread That One Guy /sarcasm 
massive electrodes maybe but not likely anything to compare to actual flow


i wonder if they couldnt get a couple hundred flexible field tile over the
berms to siphon out the water

On Mon, Feb 13, 2017 at 12:38 PM, Josh Reynolds <j...@kyneticwifi.com>
wrote:

> O/T Physics question:
>
> What kind of energy would be required to cause evaporation of some of the
> water?
>
> Would this be possible?
>
> On Feb 13, 2017 12:36 PM, "Chuck McCown" <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:
>
>> Easy to armchair quarterback but I would think they could bolt 1 inch
>> plates over the hole in the main spillway, put some I beam piles under the
>> plates and open it back up.  At least until they take some inches off the
>> reservoir.  I wonder if there is a way they can set the angle on the
>> turbines to waste more water there too.
>>
>> -Original Message- From: Robert Andrews
>> Sent: Monday, February 13, 2017 11:28 AM
>> To: af@afmug.com
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT - Oroville dam
>>
>> As of this morning they are saying the regular spillway is supporting
>> the 100K cfs without further damage.If that it true, then there is
>> the ability to deal with what's happening over the next couple of weeks,
>> which looks like 4-5 sequential storms.   We got a 4-5 day break in
>> weather this week but if it goes back to last months pattern we are in
>> serious trouble throughout the west.  That spillway needs to do 100K cfs
>> for weeks to keep pressure off the hillside below the emergency
>> spillway.   Californa and the Feds were sued over in 2005 to put
>> concrete down on that hillside by the Sierra Club.   The worse case
>> situation is that the lake goes over the emergency spillway, it erodes
>> below, the spillway fails and the hill below what was the spillway just
>> keeps going away.   Moving water, and it would be a lot, would grand
>> canyon the hill...  It would be enough water to destroy most of the
>> feather river and Sacramento levee system below the dam..   That would
>> be really really bad...   ( Inlaws in Yuba city )...
>>
>> On 02/13/2017 08:47 AM, Jason Wilson wrote:
>>
>>> 100,000cfs is correct.  That spillway will support 250,000cfs, but the
>>> Feather River channel will only support about 216,000cfs.  It has been
>>> 10 years since the Channel has been stressed to this point, last time
>>> there were levee breaches.  Their hope is to drawdown the reservoir 50
>>> feet below the rim to do a couple things, one is to take pressure off of
>>> the presumed damaged emergency spillway.  The other is to make room for
>>> precip that is coming into california towards the end of the week.  Of
>>> course they cannot do any repairs to the facility until after the rainy
>>> season is over, and the snowmelt had finished.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Jason Wilson
>>> Remotely Located
>>> Providing High Speed Internet to out of the way places.
>>> 530-651-1736
>>> 530-748-9608 Cell
>>> www.remotelylocated.com <http://www.remotelylocated.com>
>>>
>>> On Mon, Feb 13, 2017 at 8:31 AM, Bill Prince <part15...@gmail.com
>>> <mailto:part15...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>
>>> I heard a reporter saying that the water going over that spillway
>>> was doing 100,000 cubic feet per second. I have a really hard time
>>> visualizing that amount of water. Could also have been a mis-quote
>>> by the reporter...
>>>
>>>
>>> bp
>>> <part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>
>>>
>>> On 2/13/2017 8:11 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> So the �good news� is they�re going to drop bags of rocks
>>>> from helicopters?
>>>>
>>>> __�__
>>>>
>>>> I hope my good news never involves helicopters dropping rocks.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>


-- 
If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] OT - Oroville dam

2017-02-13 Thread Josh Reynolds 
O/T Physics question:

What kind of energy would be required to cause evaporation of some of the
water?

Would this be possible?

On Feb 13, 2017 12:36 PM, "Chuck McCown" <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:

> Easy to armchair quarterback but I would think they could bolt 1 inch
> plates over the hole in the main spillway, put some I beam piles under the
> plates and open it back up.  At least until they take some inches off the
> reservoir.  I wonder if there is a way they can set the angle on the
> turbines to waste more water there too.
>
> -Original Message- From: Robert Andrews
> Sent: Monday, February 13, 2017 11:28 AM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT - Oroville dam
>
> As of this morning they are saying the regular spillway is supporting
> the 100K cfs without further damage.If that it true, then there is
> the ability to deal with what's happening over the next couple of weeks,
> which looks like 4-5 sequential storms.   We got a 4-5 day break in
> weather this week but if it goes back to last months pattern we are in
> serious trouble throughout the west.  That spillway needs to do 100K cfs
> for weeks to keep pressure off the hillside below the emergency
> spillway.   Californa and the Feds were sued over in 2005 to put
> concrete down on that hillside by the Sierra Club.   The worse case
> situation is that the lake goes over the emergency spillway, it erodes
> below, the spillway fails and the hill below what was the spillway just
> keeps going away.   Moving water, and it would be a lot, would grand
> canyon the hill...  It would be enough water to destroy most of the
> feather river and Sacramento levee system below the dam..   That would
> be really really bad...   ( Inlaws in Yuba city )...
>
> On 02/13/2017 08:47 AM, Jason Wilson wrote:
>
>> 100,000cfs is correct.  That spillway will support 250,000cfs, but the
>> Feather River channel will only support about 216,000cfs.  It has been
>> 10 years since the Channel has been stressed to this point, last time
>> there were levee breaches.  Their hope is to drawdown the reservoir 50
>> feet below the rim to do a couple things, one is to take pressure off of
>> the presumed damaged emergency spillway.  The other is to make room for
>> precip that is coming into california towards the end of the week.  Of
>> course they cannot do any repairs to the facility until after the rainy
>> season is over, and the snowmelt had finished.
>>
>>
>>
>> Jason Wilson
>> Remotely Located
>> Providing High Speed Internet to out of the way places.
>> 530-651-1736
>> 530-748-9608 Cell
>> www.remotelylocated.com <http://www.remotelylocated.com>
>>
>> On Mon, Feb 13, 2017 at 8:31 AM, Bill Prince <part15...@gmail.com
>> <mailto:part15...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>
>> I heard a reporter saying that the water going over that spillway
>> was doing 100,000 cubic feet per second. I have a really hard time
>> visualizing that amount of water. Could also have been a mis-quote
>> by the reporter...
>>
>>
>> bp
>> <part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>
>>
>> On 2/13/2017 8:11 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> So the �good news� is they�re going to drop bags of rocks
>>> from helicopters?
>>>
>>> __�__
>>>
>>> I hope my good news never involves helicopters dropping rocks.
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] OT - Oroville dam

2017-02-13 Thread Chuck McCown 
Easy to armchair quarterback but I would think they could bolt 1 inch plates 
over the hole in the main spillway, put some I beam piles under the plates 
and open it back up.  At least until they take some inches off the 
reservoir.  I wonder if there is a way they can set the angle on the 
turbines to waste more water there too.


-Original Message- 
From: Robert Andrews

Sent: Monday, February 13, 2017 11:28 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT - Oroville dam

As of this morning they are saying the regular spillway is supporting
the 100K cfs without further damage.If that it true, then there is
the ability to deal with what's happening over the next couple of weeks,
which looks like 4-5 sequential storms.   We got a 4-5 day break in
weather this week but if it goes back to last months pattern we are in
serious trouble throughout the west.  That spillway needs to do 100K cfs
for weeks to keep pressure off the hillside below the emergency
spillway.   Californa and the Feds were sued over in 2005 to put
concrete down on that hillside by the Sierra Club.   The worse case
situation is that the lake goes over the emergency spillway, it erodes
below, the spillway fails and the hill below what was the spillway just
keeps going away.   Moving water, and it would be a lot, would grand
canyon the hill...  It would be enough water to destroy most of the
feather river and Sacramento levee system below the dam..   That would
be really really bad...   ( Inlaws in Yuba city )...

On 02/13/2017 08:47 AM, Jason Wilson wrote:

100,000cfs is correct.  That spillway will support 250,000cfs, but the
Feather River channel will only support about 216,000cfs.  It has been
10 years since the Channel has been stressed to this point, last time
there were levee breaches.  Their hope is to drawdown the reservoir 50
feet below the rim to do a couple things, one is to take pressure off of
the presumed damaged emergency spillway.  The other is to make room for
precip that is coming into california towards the end of the week.  Of
course they cannot do any repairs to the facility until after the rainy
season is over, and the snowmelt had finished.



Jason Wilson
Remotely Located
Providing High Speed Internet to out of the way places.
530-651-1736
530-748-9608 Cell
www.remotelylocated.com <http://www.remotelylocated.com>

On Mon, Feb 13, 2017 at 8:31 AM, Bill Prince <part15...@gmail.com
<mailto:part15...@gmail.com>> wrote:

I heard a reporter saying that the water going over that spillway
was doing 100,000 cubic feet per second. I have a really hard time
visualizing that amount of water. Could also have been a mis-quote
by the reporter...


bp
<part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>

On 2/13/2017 8:11 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:


So the �good news� is they�re going to drop bags of rocks
from helicopters?

__�__

I hope my good news never involves helicopters dropping rocks.

Re: [AFMUG] OT - Oroville dam

2017-02-13 Thread Robert Andrews 
As of this morning they are saying the regular spillway is supporting 
the 100K cfs without further damage.If that it true, then there is 
the ability to deal with what's happening over the next couple of weeks, 
which looks like 4-5 sequential storms.   We got a 4-5 day break in 
weather this week but if it goes back to last months pattern we are in 
serious trouble throughout the west.  That spillway needs to do 100K cfs 
for weeks to keep pressure off the hillside below the emergency 
spillway.   Californa and the Feds were sued over in 2005 to put 
concrete down on that hillside by the Sierra Club.   The worse case 
situation is that the lake goes over the emergency spillway, it erodes 
below, the spillway fails and the hill below what was the spillway just 
keeps going away.   Moving water, and it would be a lot, would grand 
canyon the hill...  It would be enough water to destroy most of the 
feather river and Sacramento levee system below the dam..   That would 
be really really bad...   ( Inlaws in Yuba city )...


On 02/13/2017 08:47 AM, Jason Wilson wrote:

100,000cfs is correct.  That spillway will support 250,000cfs, but the
Feather River channel will only support about 216,000cfs.  It has been
10 years since the Channel has been stressed to this point, last time
there were levee breaches.  Their hope is to drawdown the reservoir 50
feet below the rim to do a couple things, one is to take pressure off of
the presumed damaged emergency spillway.  The other is to make room for
precip that is coming into california towards the end of the week.  Of
course they cannot do any repairs to the facility until after the rainy
season is over, and the snowmelt had finished.



Jason Wilson
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Providing High Speed Internet to out of the way places.
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On Mon, Feb 13, 2017 at 8:31 AM, Bill Prince > wrote:

I heard a reporter saying that the water going over that spillway
was doing 100,000 cubic feet per second. I have a really hard time
visualizing that amount of water. Could also have been a mis-quote
by the reporter...


bp


On 2/13/2017 8:11 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:


So the �good news� is they�re going to drop bags of rocks
from helicopters?

__�__

I hope my good news never involves helicopters dropping rocks.

Re: [AFMUG] OT - Oroville dam

2017-02-13 Thread Ken Hohhof 
My daughter went to Berklee for a year, it’s a highly regarded music school.  
Oh wait, spelled different.

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown
Sent: Monday, February 13, 2017 11:04 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT - Oroville dam

 

Hey, Berkeley grads can take classes about getting in touch with nature and the 
environment.  Perhaps the dam spoke to him.  Never doubt the value of a liberal 
arts education.  

 

From: That One Guy /sarcasm 

Sent: Monday, February 13, 2017 9:58 AM

To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>  

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT - Oroville dam

 

http://www.mercurynews.com/2017/02/12/oroville-dam-feds-and-state-officials-ignored-warnings-12-years-ago/

heres a shocker... a Berkeley graduate said its not going to be a problem

 

On Mon, Feb 13, 2017 at 10:47 AM, Jeremy <jeremysmi...@gmail.com 
<mailto:jeremysmi...@gmail.com> > wrote:

Not a misprint.  Check it out:  https://youtu.be/98hkdz2kVAg

 

On Mon, Feb 13, 2017 at 9:46 AM, Ken Hohhof <af...@kwisp.com 
<mailto:af...@kwisp.com> > wrote:

That sounds right.  It would be the amount they are sending over the damaged 
main spillway to avoid further damage to the emergency spillway which was being 
used for the first time since the dam was built in 1968.  The amount flowing 
into the lake from recent rains is >100,000 cfs, and it has to go somewhere.

 

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Bill Prince
Sent: Monday, February 13, 2017 10:31 AM
To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com> 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT - Oroville dam

 

I heard a reporter saying that the water going over that spillway was doing 
100,000 cubic feet per second. I have a really hard time visualizing that 
amount of water. Could also have been a mis-quote by the reporter...

 

bp
<part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>
 

On 2/13/2017 8:11 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:

So the �good news� is they�re going to drop bags of rocks from 
helicopters?

�

I hope my good news never involves helicopters dropping rocks.

 

 





 

-- 

If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as 
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] OT - Oroville dam

2017-02-13 Thread Chuck McCown 
Hey, Berkeley grads can take classes about getting in touch with nature and the 
environment.  Perhaps the dam spoke to him.  Never doubt the value of a liberal 
arts education.  

From: That One Guy /sarcasm 
Sent: Monday, February 13, 2017 9:58 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT - Oroville dam

http://www.mercurynews.com/2017/02/12/oroville-dam-feds-and-state-officials-ignored-warnings-12-years-ago/

heres a shocker... a Berkeley graduate said its not going to be a problem

On Mon, Feb 13, 2017 at 10:47 AM, Jeremy <jeremysmi...@gmail.com> wrote:

  Not a misprint.  Check it out:  https://youtu.be/98hkdz2kVAg

  On Mon, Feb 13, 2017 at 9:46 AM, Ken Hohhof <af...@kwisp.com> wrote:

That sounds right.  It would be the amount they are sending over the 
damaged main spillway to avoid further damage to the emergency spillway which 
was being used for the first time since the dam was built in 1968.  The amount 
flowing into the lake from recent rains is >100,000 cfs, and it has to go 
somewhere.





From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Bill Prince
Sent: Monday, February 13, 2017 10:31 AM
To: af@afmug.com
    Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT - Oroville dam



I heard a reporter saying that the water going over that spillway was doing 
100,000 cubic feet per second. I have a really hard time visualizing that 
amount of water. Could also have been a mis-quote by the reporter...



bp<part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com> On 2/13/2017 8:11 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:

  So the �good news� is they�re going to drop bags of rocks from 
helicopters?

  �

  I hope my good news never involves helicopters dropping rocks.








-- 

If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as 
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] OT - Oroville dam

2017-02-13 Thread That One Guy /sarcasm 
http://www.mercurynews.com/2017/02/12/oroville-dam-feds-and-state-officials-ignored-warnings-12-years-ago/
heres a shocker... a Berkeley graduate said its not going to be a problem

On Mon, Feb 13, 2017 at 10:47 AM, Jeremy <jeremysmi...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Not a misprint.  Check it out:  https://youtu.be/98hkdz2kVAg
>
> On Mon, Feb 13, 2017 at 9:46 AM, Ken Hohhof <af...@kwisp.com> wrote:
>
>> That sounds right.  It would be the amount they are sending over the
>> damaged main spillway to avoid further damage to the emergency spillway
>> which was being used for the first time since the dam was built in 1968.
>> The amount flowing into the lake from recent rains is >100,000 cfs, and it
>> has to go somewhere.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Bill Prince
>> *Sent:* Monday, February 13, 2017 10:31 AM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT - Oroville dam
>>
>>
>>
>> I heard a reporter saying that the water going over that spillway was
>> doing 100,000 cubic feet per second. I have a really hard time visualizing
>> that amount of water. Could also have been a mis-quote by the reporter...
>>
>>
>>
>> bp
>>
>> <part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>
>>
>>
>>
>> On 2/13/2017 8:11 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
>>
>> So the �good news� is they�re going to drop bags of rocks from
>> helicopters?
>>
>> �
>>
>> I hope my good news never involves helicopters dropping rocks.
>>
>>
>>
>
>


-- 
If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] OT - Oroville dam

2017-02-13 Thread Jeremy 
Not a misprint.  Check it out:  https://youtu.be/98hkdz2kVAg

On Mon, Feb 13, 2017 at 9:46 AM, Ken Hohhof <af...@kwisp.com> wrote:

> That sounds right.  It would be the amount they are sending over the
> damaged main spillway to avoid further damage to the emergency spillway
> which was being used for the first time since the dam was built in 1968.
> The amount flowing into the lake from recent rains is >100,000 cfs, and it
> has to go somewhere.
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Bill Prince
> *Sent:* Monday, February 13, 2017 10:31 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT - Oroville dam
>
>
>
> I heard a reporter saying that the water going over that spillway was
> doing 100,000 cubic feet per second. I have a really hard time visualizing
> that amount of water. Could also have been a mis-quote by the reporter...
>
>
>
> bp
>
> <part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>
>
>
>
> On 2/13/2017 8:11 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
>
> So the �good news� is they�re going to drop bags of rocks from
> helicopters?
>
> �
>
> I hope my good news never involves helicopters dropping rocks.
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] OT - Oroville dam

2017-02-13 Thread Jason Wilson 
100,000cfs is correct.  That spillway will support 250,000cfs, but the
Feather River channel will only support about 216,000cfs.  It has been 10
years since the Channel has been stressed to this point, last time there
were levee breaches.  Their hope is to drawdown the reservoir 50 feet below
the rim to do a couple things, one is to take pressure off of the presumed
damaged emergency spillway.  The other is to make room for precip that is
coming into california towards the end of the week.  Of course they cannot
do any repairs to the facility until after the rainy season is over, and
the snowmelt had finished.



Jason Wilson
Remotely Located
Providing High Speed Internet to out of the way places.
530-651-1736
530-748-9608 Cell
www.remotelylocated.com

On Mon, Feb 13, 2017 at 8:31 AM, Bill Prince  wrote:

> I heard a reporter saying that the water going over that spillway was
> doing 100,000 cubic feet per second. I have a really hard time visualizing
> that amount of water. Could also have been a mis-quote by the reporter...
>
>
> bp
> 
>
>
> On 2/13/2017 8:11 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
>
> So the �good news� is they�re going to drop bags of rocks from
> helicopters?
>
> �
>
> I hope my good news never involves helicopters dropping rocks.
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] OT - Oroville dam

2017-02-13 Thread Ken Hohhof 
That sounds right.  It would be the amount they are sending over the damaged
main spillway to avoid further damage to the emergency spillway which was
being used for the first time since the dam was built in 1968.  The amount
flowing into the lake from recent rains is >100,000 cfs, and it has to go
somewhere.

 

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Bill Prince
Sent: Monday, February 13, 2017 10:31 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT - Oroville dam

 

I heard a reporter saying that the water going over that spillway was doing
100,000 cubic feet per second. I have a really hard time visualizing that
amount of water. Could also have been a mis-quote by the reporter...

 

bp
<part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>
 

On 2/13/2017 8:11 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:

So the �good news� is they�re going to drop bags of rocks from
helicopters?

�

I hope my good news never involves helicopters dropping rocks.

Re: [AFMUG] OT - Oroville dam

2017-02-13 Thread That One Guy /sarcasm 
it sounds like more than it is, a football field with 1 foot of water on it
is 57,000 cubic feet
still alot

On Mon, Feb 13, 2017 at 10:30 AM, Bill Prince  wrote:

> I heard a reporter saying that the water going over that spillway was
> doing 100,000 cubic feet per second. I have a really hard time visualizing
> that amount of water. Could also have been a mis-quote by the reporter...
>
>
> bp
> 
>
>
> On 2/13/2017 8:11 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
>
> So the �good news� is they�re going to drop bags of rocks from
> helicopters?
>
> �
>
> I hope my good news never involves helicopters dropping rocks.
>
>
>


-- 
If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] OT - Oroville dam

2017-02-13 Thread Bill Prince 
I heard a reporter saying that the water going over that spillway was 
doing 100,000 cubic feet per second. I have a really hard time 
visualizing that amount of water. Could also have been a mis-quote by 
the reporter...



bp


On 2/13/2017 8:11 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:


So the �good news� is they�re going to drop bags of rocks from 
helicopters?


I hope my good news never involves helicopters dropping rocks.

Re: [AFMUG] OT - Oroville dam

2017-02-13 Thread That One Guy /sarcasm 
remember when that tunnel collapsed under the chicago river
they dropped everything in that hole, refrigerators, mattresses, garbage,
everything.

this repair was supposed to have been made 3 years ago

i understand some infrastructure repairs get delayed, it happens

but probably best to go ahead and do the ones if the structure holds back
more than say a million gallons

I assume the people in charge of decision making, given this is California,
probably were top of their class for their gender studies degree

On Mon, Feb 13, 2017 at 10:11 AM, Ken Hohhof  wrote:

> So the “good news” is they’re going to drop bags of rocks from helicopters?
>
>
>
> I hope my good news never involves helicopters dropping rocks.
>



-- 
If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.