Re: [AFMUG] UPS

[Chuck McCown]

They do.  You lose lots of capacity at low temps.
Especially bad for electric cars.  Not only do you lose battery discharge 
capacity, but cold cells will not accept a full charge either.  So a double 
whammy.


-Original Message- 
From: Sterling Jacobson

Sent: Wednesday, February 21, 2018 5:54 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] UPS

For some reason I thought Lithium-ion had problems with low/freezing 
temperatures?



-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of SmarterBroadband
Sent: Wednesday, February 21, 2018 12:47 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] UPS

If you are talking AC we have been using APC BG500 for small sites.
Lithium-ion battery.  Has ethernet built in, you can remotely switch a 
couple of ports and off load some ports if on battery.


Adam

-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Sterling Jacobson
Sent: Wednesday, February 21, 2018 9:49 AM
To: 'af@afmug.com' <af@afmug.com>
Subject: [AFMUG] UPS

I use Alpha FXM1100 for my fiber cabinets and four external batteries.

I need something a bit less for a smaller wall mount cabinet.

What are people using now days for small WISP cabinet UPS?

I need to power maybe a couple of 11W routers/switches and maybe 3-6 radios 
at around 10W peak each.


So maybe 150W power draw keep alive for a few hours.

Would be good if it's temperature tolerant and network manageable.

Re: [AFMUG] UPS

[George Skorup]

Yeah, that's the same price I got. So, uh, nevermind. Not for $700 a 
pop. I'll find something else for smaller sites that need >200W. I 
imagine we'll be moving lots of sites to 19" cabinets and full 
rectifiers. I'm just done with running out of cabinet space.


On 2/21/2018 2:03 PM, Josh Baird wrote:

From Alpha directly.  ~$700 or so.  They are -48VDC.

On Wed, Feb 21, 2018 at 2:41 PM, Jason McKemie 
> wrote:


Where are you sourcing the cordex units? What's the pricing like?

On Wednesday, February 21, 2018, George Skorup
> wrote:

I think we're just going to move to the Cordex PSU because we
seem to be right at the edge of outgrowing the BCMU's at
nearly every site.

On 2/21/2018 12:01 PM, Josh Baird wrote:

There is always this:


https://www.alpha.ca/solutions/solutions-alpha-catalog/standard-systems/dc-power-solutions/item/cordex-psu



For smaller sites, we usually roll a Meanwell PSU/Traco UPS
solution.  For 150W @ 24/48V, this is certainly what I would do.

On Wed, Feb 21, 2018 at 12:49 PM, Sterling Jacobson
> wrote:

I use Alpha FXM1100 for my fiber cabinets and four
external batteries.

I need something a bit less for a smaller wall mount cabinet.

What are people using now days for small WISP cabinet UPS?

I need to power maybe a couple of 11W routers/switches
and maybe 3-6 radios at around 10W peak each.

So maybe 150W power draw keep alive for a few hours.

Would be good if it's temperature tolerant and network
manageable.

Re: [AFMUG] UPS

[Sterling Jacobson]

For some reason I thought Lithium-ion had problems with low/freezing 
temperatures?


-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of SmarterBroadband
Sent: Wednesday, February 21, 2018 12:47 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] UPS

If you are talking AC we have been using APC BG500 for small sites.
Lithium-ion battery.  Has ethernet built in, you can remotely switch a couple 
of ports and off load some ports if on battery.

Adam

-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Sterling Jacobson
Sent: Wednesday, February 21, 2018 9:49 AM
To: 'af@afmug.com' <af@afmug.com>
Subject: [AFMUG] UPS

I use Alpha FXM1100 for my fiber cabinets and four external batteries.

I need something a bit less for a smaller wall mount cabinet.

What are people using now days for small WISP cabinet UPS?

I need to power maybe a couple of 11W routers/switches and maybe 3-6 radios at 
around 10W peak each.

So maybe 150W power draw keep alive for a few hours.

Would be good if it's temperature tolerant and network manageable.

Re: [AFMUG] UPS

[Jon Langeler]

What’s a BCMU setup look like?

Jon Langeler
Michwave Technologies, Inc.


> On Feb 21, 2018, at 2:14 PM, George Skorup  wrote:
> 
> BCMU

Re: [AFMUG] UPS

[George Skorup]

I think we're just going to move to the Cordex PSU because we seem to be 
right at the edge of outgrowing the BCMU's at nearly every site.


On 2/21/2018 12:01 PM, Josh Baird wrote:

There is always this:

https://www.alpha.ca/solutions/solutions-alpha-catalog/standard-systems/dc-power-solutions/item/cordex-psu

For smaller sites, we usually roll a Meanwell PSU/Traco UPS solution.  
For 150W @ 24/48V, this is certainly what I would do.


On Wed, Feb 21, 2018 at 12:49 PM, Sterling Jacobson 
> wrote:


I use Alpha FXM1100 for my fiber cabinets and four external batteries.

I need something a bit less for a smaller wall mount cabinet.

What are people using now days for small WISP cabinet UPS?

I need to power maybe a couple of 11W routers/switches and maybe
3-6 radios at around 10W peak each.

So maybe 150W power draw keep alive for a few hours.

Would be good if it's temperature tolerant and network manageable.

Re: [AFMUG] UPS

[Seth Mattinen]

On 2/21/18 10:30, Chuck McCown wrote:

Do they do a hit-less transfer?



The Smart 750XL is not a double online UPS, no.

Re: [AFMUG] UPS

[Chuck McCown]

Some inverter systems keep the inverter running all the time powering the 
load so there is never a transfer from mains to inverter power.


Most have a transfer switch of some kind.  Relays take some time to switch 
and you will be without power for some amount of time.


But many devices can keep running for a few cycles of sine wave before 
crashing.  I guess it all depends on the load.


-Original Message- 
From: Nate Burke

Sent: Wednesday, February 21, 2018 11:52 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] UPS

Not sure what you mean by Hitless, but I've never had a problem with
things rebooting when switching on/off battery.   We ran into an
instance at one of our sites where the power company had 2 HV wires
before the transformer that were bouncing into each other.  Caused
multiple power issues per second (the fluorescent lights in the building
were acting like strobes)  The UPS didn't seem to care, and none of the
equipment rebooted.

On 2/21/2018 12:30 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:

Do they do a hit-less transfer?


-Original Message- From: Nate Burke
Sent: Wednesday, February 21, 2018 11:12 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] UPS

I've been very happy with APC SmartUPS 750XL units.  Hook up as much or
as little battery as you want.  Internal 18AH or multiple 100+AH (in 24V
strings)  Haven't had a failure other than from an external source
(Water, Mice) through multiple Chicago winters/summers.  I know it's not
as efficient as a pure DC plant, but I'm only putting out ~$70 for the
UPS + batteries and don't have to worry about multiple voltages for
different equipment.

On 2/21/2018 11:49 AM, Sterling Jacobson wrote:

I use Alpha FXM1100 for my fiber cabinets and four external batteries.

I need something a bit less for a smaller wall mount cabinet.

What are people using now days for small WISP cabinet UPS?

I need to power maybe a couple of 11W routers/switches and maybe 3-6 
radios at around 10W peak each.


So maybe 150W power draw keep alive for a few hours.

Would be good if it's temperature tolerant and network manageable.

Re: [AFMUG] UPS

[Nate Burke]

Not sure what you mean by Hitless, but I've never had a problem with 
things rebooting when switching on/off battery.   We ran into an 
instance at one of our sites where the power company had 2 HV wires 
before the transformer that were bouncing into each other.  Caused 
multiple power issues per second (the fluorescent lights in the building 
were acting like strobes)  The UPS didn't seem to care, and none of the 
equipment rebooted.


On 2/21/2018 12:30 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:

Do they do a hit-less transfer?


-Original Message- From: Nate Burke
Sent: Wednesday, February 21, 2018 11:12 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] UPS

I've been very happy with APC SmartUPS 750XL units.  Hook up as much or
as little battery as you want.  Internal 18AH or multiple 100+AH (in 24V
strings)  Haven't had a failure other than from an external source
(Water, Mice) through multiple Chicago winters/summers.  I know it's not
as efficient as a pure DC plant, but I'm only putting out ~$70 for the
UPS + batteries and don't have to worry about multiple voltages for
different equipment.

On 2/21/2018 11:49 AM, Sterling Jacobson wrote:

I use Alpha FXM1100 for my fiber cabinets and four external batteries.

I need something a bit less for a smaller wall mount cabinet.

What are people using now days for small WISP cabinet UPS?

I need to power maybe a couple of 11W routers/switches and maybe 3-6 
radios at around 10W peak each.


So maybe 150W power draw keep alive for a few hours.

Would be good if it's temperature tolerant and network manageable.

Re: [AFMUG] UPS

[Chuck McCown]

Do they do a hit-less transfer?


-Original Message- 
From: Nate Burke

Sent: Wednesday, February 21, 2018 11:12 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] UPS

I've been very happy with APC SmartUPS 750XL units.  Hook up as much or
as little battery as you want.  Internal 18AH or multiple 100+AH (in 24V
strings)  Haven't had a failure other than from an external source
(Water, Mice) through multiple Chicago winters/summers.  I know it's not
as efficient as a pure DC plant, but I'm only putting out ~$70 for the
UPS + batteries and don't have to worry about multiple voltages for
different equipment.

On 2/21/2018 11:49 AM, Sterling Jacobson wrote:

I use Alpha FXM1100 for my fiber cabinets and four external batteries.

I need something a bit less for a smaller wall mount cabinet.

What are people using now days for small WISP cabinet UPS?

I need to power maybe a couple of 11W routers/switches and maybe 3-6 
radios at around 10W peak each.


So maybe 150W power draw keep alive for a few hours.

Would be good if it's temperature tolerant and network manageable.

Re: [AFMUG] UPS

[Josh Baird]

Reach out to Alpha directly.

On Wed, Feb 21, 2018 at 2:42 PM, SmarterBroadband <li...@sbb.net> wrote:

> Where will you buy them?
>
>
>
> A google search brings up Anixter where it says;
>
>
>
> This item has been discontinued and is unavailable for purchase. Contact
> an Anixter representative for possible alternatives.
>
>
>
> Adam
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *George Skorup
> *Sent:* Wednesday, February 21, 2018 11:14 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] UPS
>
>
>
> I think we're just going to move to the Cordex PSU because we seem to be
> right at the edge of outgrowing the BCMU's at nearly every site.
>
> On 2/21/2018 12:01 PM, Josh Baird wrote:
>
> There is always this:
>
>
>
> https://www.alpha.ca/solutions/solutions-alpha-
> catalog/standard-systems/dc-power-solutions/item/cordex-psu
>
>
>
> For smaller sites, we usually roll a Meanwell PSU/Traco UPS solution.  For
> 150W @ 24/48V, this is certainly what I would do.
>
>
>
> On Wed, Feb 21, 2018 at 12:49 PM, Sterling Jacobson <sterl...@avative.net>
> wrote:
>
> I use Alpha FXM1100 for my fiber cabinets and four external batteries.
>
> I need something a bit less for a smaller wall mount cabinet.
>
> What are people using now days for small WISP cabinet UPS?
>
> I need to power maybe a couple of 11W routers/switches and maybe 3-6
> radios at around 10W peak each.
>
> So maybe 150W power draw keep alive for a few hours.
>
> Would be good if it's temperature tolerant and network manageable.
>
>
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] UPS

[SmarterBroadband]

If you are talking AC we have been using APC BG500 for small sites.
Lithium-ion battery.  Has ethernet built in, you can remotely switch a
couple of ports and off load some ports if on battery.

Adam

-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Sterling Jacobson
Sent: Wednesday, February 21, 2018 9:49 AM
To: 'af@afmug.com' 
Subject: [AFMUG] UPS

I use Alpha FXM1100 for my fiber cabinets and four external batteries.

I need something a bit less for a smaller wall mount cabinet.

What are people using now days for small WISP cabinet UPS?

I need to power maybe a couple of 11W routers/switches and maybe 3-6 radios
at around 10W peak each.

So maybe 150W power draw keep alive for a few hours.

Would be good if it's temperature tolerant and network manageable.

Re: [AFMUG] UPS

[Josh Baird]

>From Alpha directly.  ~$700 or so.  They are -48VDC.

On Wed, Feb 21, 2018 at 2:41 PM, Jason McKemie <
j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com> wrote:

> Where are you sourcing the cordex units? What's the pricing like?
>
> On Wednesday, February 21, 2018, George Skorup 
> wrote:
>
>> I think we're just going to move to the Cordex PSU because we seem to be
>> right at the edge of outgrowing the BCMU's at nearly every site.
>>
>> On 2/21/2018 12:01 PM, Josh Baird wrote:
>>
>> There is always this:
>>
>> https://www.alpha.ca/solutions/solutions-alpha-catalog/
>> standard-systems/dc-power-solutions/item/cordex-psu
>>
>> For smaller sites, we usually roll a Meanwell PSU/Traco UPS solution.
>> For 150W @ 24/48V, this is certainly what I would do.
>>
>> On Wed, Feb 21, 2018 at 12:49 PM, Sterling Jacobson > > wrote:
>>
>>> I use Alpha FXM1100 for my fiber cabinets and four external batteries.
>>>
>>> I need something a bit less for a smaller wall mount cabinet.
>>>
>>> What are people using now days for small WISP cabinet UPS?
>>>
>>> I need to power maybe a couple of 11W routers/switches and maybe 3-6
>>> radios at around 10W peak each.
>>>
>>> So maybe 150W power draw keep alive for a few hours.
>>>
>>> Would be good if it's temperature tolerant and network manageable.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>

Re: [AFMUG] UPS

[SmarterBroadband]

Where will you buy them?

 

A google search brings up Anixter where it says;

 

This item has been discontinued and is unavailable for purchase. Contact an 
Anixter representative for possible alternatives.

 

Adam

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of George Skorup
Sent: Wednesday, February 21, 2018 11:14 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] UPS

 

I think we're just going to move to the Cordex PSU because we seem to be right 
at the edge of outgrowing the BCMU's at nearly every site.

On 2/21/2018 12:01 PM, Josh Baird wrote:

There is always this: 

 

https://www.alpha.ca/solutions/solutions-alpha-catalog/standard-systems/dc-power-solutions/item/cordex-psu

 

For smaller sites, we usually roll a Meanwell PSU/Traco UPS solution.  For 150W 
@ 24/48V, this is certainly what I would do.

 

On Wed, Feb 21, 2018 at 12:49 PM, Sterling Jacobson <sterl...@avative.net 
<mailto:sterl...@avative.net> > wrote:

I use Alpha FXM1100 for my fiber cabinets and four external batteries.

I need something a bit less for a smaller wall mount cabinet.

What are people using now days for small WISP cabinet UPS?

I need to power maybe a couple of 11W routers/switches and maybe 3-6 radios at 
around 10W peak each.

So maybe 150W power draw keep alive for a few hours.

Would be good if it's temperature tolerant and network manageable.



 

 

Re: [AFMUG] UPS

[Jason McKemie]

Where are you sourcing the cordex units? What's the pricing like?

On Wednesday, February 21, 2018, George Skorup 
wrote:

> I think we're just going to move to the Cordex PSU because we seem to be
> right at the edge of outgrowing the BCMU's at nearly every site.
>
> On 2/21/2018 12:01 PM, Josh Baird wrote:
>
> There is always this:
>
> https://www.alpha.ca/solutions/solutions-alpha-
> catalog/standard-systems/dc-power-solutions/item/cordex-psu
>
> For smaller sites, we usually roll a Meanwell PSU/Traco UPS solution.  For
> 150W @ 24/48V, this is certainly what I would do.
>
> On Wed, Feb 21, 2018 at 12:49 PM, Sterling Jacobson 
> wrote:
>
>> I use Alpha FXM1100 for my fiber cabinets and four external batteries.
>>
>> I need something a bit less for a smaller wall mount cabinet.
>>
>> What are people using now days for small WISP cabinet UPS?
>>
>> I need to power maybe a couple of 11W routers/switches and maybe 3-6
>> radios at around 10W peak each.
>>
>> So maybe 150W power draw keep alive for a few hours.
>>
>> Would be good if it's temperature tolerant and network manageable.
>>
>>
>>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] UPS

[Nate Burke]

I've been very happy with APC SmartUPS 750XL units.  Hook up as much or 
as little battery as you want.  Internal 18AH or multiple 100+AH (in 24V 
strings)  Haven't had a failure other than from an external source 
(Water, Mice) through multiple Chicago winters/summers.  I know it's not 
as efficient as a pure DC plant, but I'm only putting out ~$70 for the 
UPS + batteries and don't have to worry about multiple voltages for 
different equipment.


On 2/21/2018 11:49 AM, Sterling Jacobson wrote:

I use Alpha FXM1100 for my fiber cabinets and four external batteries.

I need something a bit less for a smaller wall mount cabinet.

What are people using now days for small WISP cabinet UPS?

I need to power maybe a couple of 11W routers/switches and maybe 3-6 radios at 
around 10W peak each.

So maybe 150W power draw keep alive for a few hours.

Would be good if it's temperature tolerant and network manageable.

Re: [AFMUG] UPS

[Josh Baird]

There is always this:

https://www.alpha.ca/solutions/solutions-alpha-catalog/standard-systems/dc-power-solutions/item/cordex-psu

For smaller sites, we usually roll a Meanwell PSU/Traco UPS solution.  For
150W @ 24/48V, this is certainly what I would do.

On Wed, Feb 21, 2018 at 12:49 PM, Sterling Jacobson 
wrote:

> I use Alpha FXM1100 for my fiber cabinets and four external batteries.
>
> I need something a bit less for a smaller wall mount cabinet.
>
> What are people using now days for small WISP cabinet UPS?
>
> I need to power maybe a couple of 11W routers/switches and maybe 3-6
> radios at around 10W peak each.
>
> So maybe 150W power draw keep alive for a few hours.
>
> Would be good if it's temperature tolerant and network manageable.
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] UPS Recommendation

[Ken Hohhof]

Crossover Distribution can sell you Alpha Technologies (also Alpha Wireless 
which is entirely different).

Or any telco equipment distributor like Power & Tel.

Tessco lists selected models but not the entire line.


From: Sterling Jacobson 
Sent: Wednesday, September 07, 2016 8:02 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] UPS Recommendation

My electrical wholesaler that we buy a lot of our fiber stuff from can get them 
drop shipped from Alpha.

 

You could contact Alpha and they could probably give you a list of resellers.

 

I’m guessing the regular big resellers would have them or be able to order them 
with lead time.

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jason McKemie
Sent: Tuesday, September 6, 2016 8:48 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] UPS Recommendation

 

Where are you getting the Alpha units?  I'm thinking a FXM 350 should do the 
job but I'm not finding a good supplier.

 

On Tue, Sep 6, 2016 at 8:34 PM, Sterling Jacobson <sterl...@avative.net> wrote:

  I would still use Alpha.

   

  But I have simple APC rack mount units where there is little temperature 
variance for the unit and batteries.

   

  From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jason McKemie
  Sent: Tuesday, September 6, 2016 7:32 PM
  To: af@afmug.com
  Subject: [AFMUG] UPS Recommendation

   

  Any recommendations for a UPS to use at a site with a generator backup? I was 
thinking about an Alpha unit, but the site is temperature-controlled, so that 
may be overkill. 

 

Re: [AFMUG] UPS Recommendation

[Jaime Solorza]

We are doing some SCADA jobs where everything in enclosures must have UL
rating which  apparently some of the APC units Do Not have.   I don't know
the details, but we are getting contracted to replace them with Puls UPS
Back up systems.   You have seen some of those in pictures I share.   I
think Sam I Am from Taos said he ordered some to try out.



Jaime Solorza
Wireless Systems Architect
915-861-1390

On Wed, Sep 7, 2016 at 6:02 AM, Sterling Jacobson <sterl...@avative.net>
wrote:

> My electrical wholesaler that we buy a lot of our fiber stuff from can get
> them drop shipped from Alpha.
>
>
>
> You could contact Alpha and they could probably give you a list of
> resellers.
>
>
>
> I’m guessing the regular big resellers would have them or be able to order
> them with lead time.
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Jason McKemie
> *Sent:* Tuesday, September 6, 2016 8:48 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] UPS Recommendation
>
>
>
> Where are you getting the Alpha units?  I'm thinking a FXM 350 should do
> the job but I'm not finding a good supplier.
>
>
>
> On Tue, Sep 6, 2016 at 8:34 PM, Sterling Jacobson <sterl...@avative.net>
> wrote:
>
> I would still use Alpha.
>
>
>
> But I have simple APC rack mount units where there is little temperature
> variance for the unit and batteries.
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Jason McKemie
> *Sent:* Tuesday, September 6, 2016 7:32 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* [AFMUG] UPS Recommendation
>
>
>
> Any recommendations for a UPS to use at a site with a generator backup? I
> was thinking about an Alpha unit, but the site is temperature-controlled,
> so that may be overkill.
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] UPS Recommendation

[Sterling Jacobson]

My electrical wholesaler that we buy a lot of our fiber stuff from can get them 
drop shipped from Alpha.

You could contact Alpha and they could probably give you a list of resellers.

I’m guessing the regular big resellers would have them or be able to order them 
with lead time.

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jason McKemie
Sent: Tuesday, September 6, 2016 8:48 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] UPS Recommendation

Where are you getting the Alpha units?  I'm thinking a FXM 350 should do the 
job but I'm not finding a good supplier.

On Tue, Sep 6, 2016 at 8:34 PM, Sterling Jacobson 
<sterl...@avative.net<mailto:sterl...@avative.net>> wrote:
I would still use Alpha.

But I have simple APC rack mount units where there is little temperature 
variance for the unit and batteries.

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com<mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>] On Behalf 
Of Jason McKemie
Sent: Tuesday, September 6, 2016 7:32 PM
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: [AFMUG] UPS Recommendation

Any recommendations for a UPS to use at a site with a generator backup? I was 
thinking about an Alpha unit, but the site is temperature-controlled, so that 
may be overkill.

Re: [AFMUG] UPS Recommendation

[Jason McKemie]

Where are you getting the Alpha units?  I'm thinking a FXM 350 should do
the job but I'm not finding a good supplier.

On Tue, Sep 6, 2016 at 8:34 PM, Sterling Jacobson 
wrote:

> I would still use Alpha.
>
>
>
> But I have simple APC rack mount units where there is little temperature
> variance for the unit and batteries.
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Jason McKemie
> *Sent:* Tuesday, September 6, 2016 7:32 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* [AFMUG] UPS Recommendation
>
>
>
> Any recommendations for a UPS to use at a site with a generator backup? I
> was thinking about an Alpha unit, but the site is temperature-controlled,
> so that may be overkill.
>

Re: [AFMUG] UPS Recommendation

[Sterling Jacobson]

I would still use Alpha.

But I have simple APC rack mount units where there is little temperature 
variance for the unit and batteries.

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jason McKemie
Sent: Tuesday, September 6, 2016 7:32 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] UPS Recommendation

Any recommendations for a UPS to use at a site with a generator backup? I was 
thinking about an Alpha unit, but the site is temperature-controlled, so that 
may be overkill.

Re: [AFMUG] UPS

[Paul Stewart]

I've used alpha for cable TV networks (pole mounted UPS) and they worked pretty 
good ... used their rack mount gear in small server deployments and they didn't 
last well at all .. YMMV 

-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Peter Kranz
Sent: Tuesday, February 2, 2016 5:01 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] UPS

The Alpha UPS units are my favorites right now.. Not quite 1U, but reasonably 
priced and loaded with features.
http://www.alpha.ca/solutions/solutions-alpha-catalog/standard-systems/outdoor-ups-solutions


Peter Kranz
www.UnwiredLtd.com
Desk: 510-868-1614 x100
Mobile: 510-207-
pkr...@unwiredltd.com


-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Matt
Sent: Tuesday, February 02, 2016 8:32 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] UPS

Is there such a thing as a small 1U rack mount UPS that has no internal 
batteries but only external battery terminal?  Would be nice for some of our 
bigger sites with auto start generators.

Re: [AFMUG] UPS

[Peter Kranz]

The Alpha UPS units are my favorites right now.. Not quite 1U, but reasonably 
priced and loaded with features.
http://www.alpha.ca/solutions/solutions-alpha-catalog/standard-systems/outdoor-ups-solutions


Peter Kranz
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-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Matt
Sent: Tuesday, February 02, 2016 8:32 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] UPS

Is there such a thing as a small 1U rack mount UPS that has no internal 
batteries but only external battery terminal?  Would be nice for some of our 
bigger sites with auto start generators.

Re: [AFMUG] UPS

[Ken Hohhof]

I also have been very happy with the Alpha equipment.  It may look pricey 
compared to a consumer grade UPS, but for the features and specs, it’s not as 
expensive as I thought it would be.  Even without a huge discount.

After trying several other UPS solutions for AC sites always with some issues, 
the Alpha stuff just goes in and runs.  Worst complaint I have is the 4 digit 
password.  Oh, and the ability to adjust the max battery charging current 
through the web GUI saved my butt one time, very cool.

Don’t always assume you can get the model you want off the shelf from a 
distributor, it may take a few weeks from the factory.

From: Eric Kuhnke 
Sent: Tuesday, February 02, 2016 5:49 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] UPS

Alpha is based in my home city, they are used extensively by the local telco 
and cable companies who no doubt get huge quantity discounts. 

Having all the connectors on the front panel is a huge plus, they can be 
installed and wired up in wall mount racks or small outdoor cabinets that have 
no rear access.

On Feb 2, 2016 2:01 PM, "Peter Kranz" <pkr...@unwiredltd.com> wrote:

  The Alpha UPS units are my favorites right now.. Not quite 1U, but reasonably 
priced and loaded with features.
  
http://www.alpha.ca/solutions/solutions-alpha-catalog/standard-systems/outdoor-ups-solutions


  Peter Kranz
  www.UnwiredLtd.com
  Desk: 510-868-1614 x100
  Mobile: 510-207-
  pkr...@unwiredltd.com


  -Original Message-
  From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Matt
  Sent: Tuesday, February 02, 2016 8:32 AM
  To: af@afmug.com
  Subject: [AFMUG] UPS

  Is there such a thing as a small 1U rack mount UPS that has no internal 
batteries but only external battery terminal?  Would be nice for some of our 
bigger sites with auto start generators.

Re: [AFMUG] UPS

[Matt]

Currently my load on a couple sites in question is less then 300
watts.  Might grow but Canopy AP's and BH's do not draw a lot.


On Tue, Feb 2, 2016 at 10:39 AM, Lewis Bergman  wrote:
> Thee are 1U UPS with an internal battery and an external battery connector.
> Just bought one from Eaton. The issue is not the battery size but that the
> rating is always paired with batteries of a similar size. So if you want
> almost no batteries you could get a 500 watt 1U UPS but then you would
> likely just overload the UPS if you hooked a bunch of batteries to it and
> loaded it with 5000 watts of load no matter how short the battery time you
> need is.
>
> On Tue, Feb 2, 2016 at 10:32 AM Matt  wrote:
>>
>> Is there such a thing as a small 1U rack mount UPS that has no
>> internal batteries but only external battery terminal?  Would be nice
>> for some of our bigger sites with auto start generators.

Re: [AFMUG] UPS

[Ken Hohhof]

How many watts?
Would you accept 2U rackmount?


-Original Message- 
From: Matt 
Sent: Tuesday, February 02, 2016 10:32 AM 
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: [AFMUG] UPS 


Is there such a thing as a small 1U rack mount UPS that has no
internal batteries but only external battery terminal?  Would be nice
for some of our bigger sites with auto start generators.

Re: [AFMUG] UPS

[Christopher Tyler]

We have an ICT that is exactly this. 1U no internal battery, external hookup.  
Kinda pricey though.

-- 
Christopher Tyler 
MTCRE/MTCNA/MTCTCE/MTCWE 
Total Highspeed Internet Services 
417.851.1107

- Original Message -
From: "Matt" <matt.mailingli...@gmail.com>
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Tuesday, February 2, 2016 10:45:56 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] UPS

Currently my load on a couple sites in question is less then 300
watts.  Might grow but Canopy AP's and BH's do not draw a lot.


On Tue, Feb 2, 2016 at 10:39 AM, Lewis Bergman <lewis.berg...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Thee are 1U UPS with an internal battery and an external battery connector.
> Just bought one from Eaton. The issue is not the battery size but that the
> rating is always paired with batteries of a similar size. So if you want
> almost no batteries you could get a 500 watt 1U UPS but then you would
> likely just overload the UPS if you hooked a bunch of batteries to it and
> loaded it with 5000 watts of load no matter how short the battery time you
> need is.
>
> On Tue, Feb 2, 2016 at 10:32 AM Matt <matt.mailingli...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Is there such a thing as a small 1U rack mount UPS that has no
>> internal batteries but only external battery terminal?  Would be nice
>> for some of our bigger sites with auto start generators.

Re: [AFMUG] UPS

[That One Guy /sarcasm]

These Eatons look comparable to the APC 750xl we like, do you have the
network card in them Lewis? the documentation Ive quick glanced doesnt go
into alot of detail.
It this is 1u and only about a foot deep with the option for external
batteries, it might just be the bees knees

On Tue, Feb 2, 2016 at 11:09 AM, Christopher Tyler <ch...@totalhighspeed.net
> wrote:

> We have an ICT that is exactly this. 1U no internal battery, external
> hookup.  Kinda pricey though.
>
> --
> Christopher Tyler
> MTCRE/MTCNA/MTCTCE/MTCWE
> Total Highspeed Internet Services
> 417.851.1107
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Matt" <matt.mailingli...@gmail.com>
> To: af@afmug.com
> Sent: Tuesday, February 2, 2016 10:45:56 AM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] UPS
>
> Currently my load on a couple sites in question is less then 300
> watts.  Might grow but Canopy AP's and BH's do not draw a lot.
>
>
> On Tue, Feb 2, 2016 at 10:39 AM, Lewis Bergman <lewis.berg...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > Thee are 1U UPS with an internal battery and an external battery
> connector.
> > Just bought one from Eaton. The issue is not the battery size but that
> the
> > rating is always paired with batteries of a similar size. So if you want
> > almost no batteries you could get a 500 watt 1U UPS but then you would
> > likely just overload the UPS if you hooked a bunch of batteries to it and
> > loaded it with 5000 watts of load no matter how short the battery time
> you
> > need is.
> >
> > On Tue, Feb 2, 2016 at 10:32 AM Matt <matt.mailingli...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >>
> >> Is there such a thing as a small 1U rack mount UPS that has no
> >> internal batteries but only external battery terminal?  Would be nice
> >> for some of our bigger sites with auto start generators.
>



-- 
If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] UPS

[Lewis Bergman]

Thee are 1U UPS with an internal battery and an external battery connector.
Just bought one from Eaton. The issue is not the battery size but that the
rating is always paired with batteries of a similar size. So if you want
almost no batteries you could get a 500 watt 1U UPS but then you would
likely just overload the UPS if you hooked a bunch of batteries to it and
loaded it with 5000 watts of load no matter how short the battery time you
need is.

On Tue, Feb 2, 2016 at 10:32 AM Matt  wrote:

> Is there such a thing as a small 1U rack mount UPS that has no
> internal batteries but only external battery terminal?  Would be nice
> for some of our bigger sites with auto start generators.
>

Re: [AFMUG] UPS

[Jaime Solorza]

Eaton is good stuff Maynard
On Feb 2, 2016 10:02 AM, "Lewis Bergman"  wrote:

> have a look as the Eaton 1U. They have a 500 watt model that is around
> $200 at newegg I think. Nice little unit.
>
> On Tue, Feb 2, 2016, 10:45 AM Matt  wrote:
>
>> Currently my load on a couple sites in question is less then 300
>> watts.  Might grow but Canopy AP's and BH's do not draw a lot.
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Feb 2, 2016 at 10:39 AM, Lewis Bergman 
>> wrote:
>> > Thee are 1U UPS with an internal battery and an external battery
>> connector.
>> > Just bought one from Eaton. The issue is not the battery size but that
>> the
>> > rating is always paired with batteries of a similar size. So if you want
>> > almost no batteries you could get a 500 watt 1U UPS but then you would
>> > likely just overload the UPS if you hooked a bunch of batteries to it
>> and
>> > loaded it with 5000 watts of load no matter how short the battery time
>> you
>> > need is.
>> >
>> > On Tue, Feb 2, 2016 at 10:32 AM Matt 
>> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> Is there such a thing as a small 1U rack mount UPS that has no
>> >> internal batteries but only external battery terminal?  Would be nice
>> >> for some of our bigger sites with auto start generators.
>>
>