Re: [agi] Pretty worldchanging

2010-07-24 Thread Panu Horsmalahti
Availibility of the Internet actually makes school grades worse. Of course,
grades does not equal education, but I don't see anything worldchanging
about education because of this.

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Re: [agi] What is so special with the number seven

2010-07-22 Thread Panu Horsmalahti
2010/7/22 deepakjnath deepakjn...@gmail.com

 Is there any predisposition to the Number 7 and our brains?

 Why do we have a scale with 7 notes? Why are there 7 colors in a rainbow.?
 Can this relate to how we perceive things?

 Seven days of a week.

 cheers,
 Deepak
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You can pick any number and find things related to it. Besides, your
anecdotes may be explained with physics or musical theory, for example. I
don't know anything about music theory, but it seems that the chromatic
scale has 12 notes. Also, it seems that Newton named 7 colors in the Rainbow
to make it match the idea of the seven note scale (
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rainbow#Distinct_colours )

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Re: [agi] Is there any Contest or test to ensure that a System is AGI?

2010-07-18 Thread Panu Horsmalahti
2010/7/18 deepakjnath deepakjn...@gmail.com

 I wanted to know if there is any bench mark test that can really convince
 majority of today's AGIers that a System is true AGI?

 Is there some real prize like the XPrize for AGI or AI in general?

 thanks,
 Deepak


Have you heard about the Turing test?

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Re: Are rocks conscious? (was RE: [agi] Did this message get completely lost?)

2008-06-04 Thread Panu Horsmalahti
2008/6/4 John G. Rose [EMAIL PROTECTED]:

 Actually you are on to something. Since there are patterns in the rock,
 molecular, granular, electronic, subatomic the rock has string of bits that
 represent time frame samples of consciousness recordings. So I mean if they
 were played with the right equipment in a certain way you might be able to
 extract short consciousness clip recordings.

 Hey wait a sec - is a string of bits that represents consciousness,
 conscious? Or does there have to be a victrola. Does time have to be a
 variable? Hm...

 John


This is the conscious rainstorm argument, which says that if information
alone can create conscious experience then it can lead to 'absurd' results,
like only a tiny-tiny-ultra-tiny-tiny portion of conscious experience is
created by real brains.



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Re: [agi] More Info Please

2008-05-25 Thread Panu Horsmalahti
What is your approach on ensuring AGI safety/Friendliness on this project?



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Re: [agi] my project

2007-06-16 Thread Panu Horsmalahti

Perhaps people are more interested in the design of this AGI project, and
the likelyhood of it ever creating an human-level AGI. Also, are design
changes chosen democratically, by a leader/lead designer (you?), or how? I'm
also concerned, that too much time (man-hours if you will) is spend
determining the 'contributions'/rating code, relative to the time spend
actually creating the AGI.

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Re: [agi] credit attribution method

2007-06-04 Thread Panu Horsmalahti

Now, all we need to do is find 2 AGI designers who agree on something.

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Re: [agi] AGI Taxonomy

2007-05-09 Thread Panu Horsmalahti

I don't think intelligence can be measured that easily on a one dimensional
axis, with a dot marking the intelligence of humans. If you look at all
the possible intelligences, not just the organic ones we know of, measuring
intelligence becomes extremely difficult. Measuring the intelligence of
humans has been difficult in the past and so far we pretty much only have IQ
(meaning logical tasks) test. Many have opposed this, saying that
intelligence (in humans) is really something more than simple logic.
Emotional intelligence,etc. If measuring the intelligence in VERY SIMILAR
systems (compared to the vast 'mind design space') is difficult, then
measuring all intelligences must be near impossible (unless someone can pull
out that magic definition of intelligence). It also seems *very*
human-centric to compare everything to humans..

Maybe measuring intelligence is like measuring how good a tool is. It
depends on what you need it for.

2007/5/9, J. Storrs Hall, PhD. [EMAIL PROTECTED]:


In Beyond AI I have a taxonomy (and Kurzweil picked that chapter, among
others, to post on his site). in brief:

Hypohuman AI -- below human ability and under human control
Diahuman AI -- somewhere in the human range (which is large!)
Epihuman AI -- smarter/more capable than human, but equivalent to a
moderate-sized company (of very smart people)
Hyperhuman AI -- equivalent to or better than all humans working in a
given
subject area

and two involving a design stance rather than a capability level

Parahuman AI -- designed to work alongside humans and relate
Allohuman AI -- optimized for other things in ways that humans have a
harder
time relating to

Josh


On Wednesday 09 May 2007 06:14, John G. Rose wrote:
 Is there a standard taxonomy of AGI that is referred to when talking
about
 different AGIs or near AGIs?  Saying that a software is an AGI or not an
 AGI is not descriptive enough.  There are probably very few AGIs but
many
 close AGIs and then many, many AIs.  Software programs are like the
plant
 and animal kingdom since they breed and multiply and evolve...

 John

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Re: [agi] Circular definitions of intelligence

2007-04-26 Thread Panu Horsmalahti

In my opinion the definition of intelligence is a machine that has an input
and an output. It covers all the intelligent systems you can imagine, but
also things like thermostats. I think it is too human centric to think that
a thermostat is not intelligent because it doesn't have legs and it can't do
much. It is very stupid (if you think it is possible to rate intelligence),
but still, it can be viewed as an intelligent system. Intelligence really
means many, many things and I'm not really that interested in a strict
mathematical definition. It reminds me of all the philosophers who have
debated for thousands of years on the definition of love, art and such. In
the end, no definition is more correct than any other. You can build an AGI
without really knowing what intelligence is, just like you can paint
beautiful art without knowing some strict definition of art.

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