Re: [agi] Advocacy Is no Excuse for Consciousness
Colin Solipsism has always been formally and logically intractable. Please stand and deliver on your own falacious claims We can not even be sure how memory works in the brain. Your claims are patently perpetual-motion(esque) John L www.emotionchip.net - Original Message - From: Colin Hales [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: agi@v2.listbox.com Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2008 3:14 AM Subject: Re: [agi] Advocacy Is no Excuse for Consciousness John LaMuth wrote: Colin Consc. by nature is subjective ... Can never prove this in a machine -- or other human beings for that matter Yes you can. This is a fallacy. You can prove it in humans and you can prove it in a machine. You simply demand it do science. Not simple - but possible. I have written this up. Should be published this year? Not sure. We are underutilizing about 4 Billion + human Cons's on the earth today What goal -- besides vanity -- is there to simulate this mechanically ?? We need to simulate communication, if anything at all ... John L The practical mission for me is not human-level AGI. I aim merely for A-fauna that is adaptive like biology is adaptive. I target markets where natural fauna struggles or where normal solutions are damaging. The rationale for creating human level AGI will be decided by forces yet to be determined. Relentless, tireless home help for the aged might be one case. cheers colin --- agi Archives: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/303/=now RSS Feed: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/rss/303/ Modify Your Subscription: https://www.listbox.com/member/?; Powered by Listbox: http://www.listbox.com --- agi Archives: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/303/=now RSS Feed: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/rss/303/ Modify Your Subscription: https://www.listbox.com/member/?member_id=8660244id_secret=117534816-b15a34 Powered by Listbox: http://www.listbox.com
Re: [agi] Advocacy Is no Excuse for Consciousness
Good to see someone is still up. Can you link your paper again? I can't find the URL. Eric B --- agi Archives: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/303/=now RSS Feed: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/rss/303/ Modify Your Subscription: https://www.listbox.com/member/?member_id=8660244id_secret=117534816-b15a34 Powered by Listbox: http://www.listbox.com
Re: [agi] Advocacy Is no Excuse for Consciousness
John LaMuth wrote: Colin Consc. by nature is subjective ... Can never prove this in a machine -- or other human beings for that matter Yes you can. This is a fallacy. You can prove it in humans and you can prove it in a machine. You simply demand it do science. Not simple - but possible. I have written this up. Should be published this year? Not sure. We are underutilizing about 4 Billion + human Cons's on the earth today What goal -- besides vanity -- is there to simulate this mechanically ?? We need to simulate communication, if anything at all ... John L The practical mission for me is not human-level AGI. I aim merely for A-fauna that is adaptive like biology is adaptive. I target markets where natural fauna struggles or where normal solutions are damaging. The rationale for creating human level AGI will be decided by forces yet to be determined. Relentless, tireless home help for the aged might be one case. cheers colin --- agi Archives: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/303/=now RSS Feed: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/rss/303/ Modify Your Subscription: https://www.listbox.com/member/?member_id=8660244id_secret=117534816-b15a34 Powered by Listbox: http://www.listbox.com
Re: [agi] Advocacy Is no Excuse for Consciousness
Colin Consc. by nature is subjective ... Can never prove this in a machine -- or other human beings for that matter We are underutilizing about 4 Billion + human Cons's on the earth today What goal -- besides vanity -- is there to simulate this mechanically ?? We need to simulate communication, if anything at all ... John L www.emotionchip.net - Original Message - From: Colin Hales [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: agi@v2.listbox.com Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2008 4:20 PM Subject: Re: [agi] Advocacy Is no Excuse for Exaggeration Ben Goertzel wrote: OK, but you have not yet explained what your theory of consciousness is, nor what the physical mechanism nor role for consciousness that you propose is ... you've just alluded obscurely to these things. So it's hard to react except with raised eyebrows and skepticism!! ben g Of course... that's only to be expected at this stage. It can't be helped. The physical mechanism is easy: quantum electrodynamics. The tricky bit is the perspective from which it can be held accountable for subjective qualities. ahem!... this is my theory... ahem!... :-) A. Elk... --- agi Archives: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/303/=now RSS Feed: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/rss/303/ Modify Your Subscription: https://www.listbox.com/member/?; Powered by Listbox: http://www.listbox.com --- agi Archives: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/303/=now RSS Feed: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/rss/303/ Modify Your Subscription: https://www.listbox.com/member/?member_id=8660244id_secret=117534816-b15a34 Powered by Listbox: http://www.listbox.com
