BUS: Re: OFF: [Promotor] Distribution of Proposals 8388-8404
I vote as follows: > ID Author(s)AITitle > --- > 8388f nch 1.0 The Webmastor FOR. *grumbles about having to deal with changes to office interests* > 8389f G. 2.0 Just Impeach instead FOR > 8390* R. Lee 3.0 Registror ENDORSE Registrar > 8391* R. Lee 3.0 Notory (Vote Labour) AGAINST > 8392j Jason2.0 Prior violations FOR > 8393f Aris 2.0 Elections Aren't Over Till They End FOR > 8394f Jason2.0 8228 retry FOR > 8395l Jason1.1 Editorial what? FOR > 8396e grok, G. 1.0 Auction End Clarification FOR > 8397l P.S.S. 2.0 Referral FOR > 8398* Murphy, nch, G. 3.0 More conservative implicit announcements AGAINST; I prefer being explicit here. > 8399j R. Lee 1.0 E had two months! FOR (I wonder if twg is okay, though...) > 8400l R. Lee 1.0 Clinton v City of New York PRESENT > 8401j Aris, P.S.S. 1.0 Defense Against the Dark Arts FOR > 8402* Aris, Falsifian 3.0 Promises FOR > 8403* Trigon 4.0 1698 shortening AGAINST > 8404j P.S.S., [1] 1.7 High Crimes and Treason FOR > [1] Murphy, nch, G. -- Jason Cobb
[Pledge] Re: BUS: Proposal Bribery
On Monday, May 25, 2020 10:08:54 PM CDT Rebecca via agora-business wrote: > I create the following proposal (we need these sometimes, 4fun) > > Title: Voltaire, Lottery Scammer > AI: 1 > Text: > Create a power 1 rule named "Bribery Rewards" with the text "Any player who > unconditionally voted FOR the proposal named "Voltaire, Lottery Scammer" > qualifies for a black ribbon" > R. Lee wins the game, then another randomly selected player who > unconditionally voted FOR this proposal wins the game. This random > selection is to be administered by the first voter who unconditionally > voted FOR this proposal. It must look random. [non-binding comment: this > ensures that a voter other than me gets the speakership) > -- > From R. Lee I pledge to vote AGAINST the proposal "Voltaire, Lottery Scammer" when and if it is distributed. -- nch
BUS: Proposal Bribery
I create the following proposal (we need these sometimes, 4fun) Title: Voltaire, Lottery Scammer AI: 1 Text: Create a power 1 rule named "Bribery Rewards" with the text "Any player who unconditionally voted FOR the proposal named "Voltaire, Lottery Scammer" qualifies for a black ribbon" R. Lee wins the game, then another randomly selected player who unconditionally voted FOR this proposal wins the game. This random selection is to be administered by the first voter who unconditionally voted FOR this proposal. It must look random. [non-binding comment: this ensures that a voter other than me gets the speakership) -- >From R. Lee
Re: BUS: TWG fingered
Oh cool (although I cant log into or see anything in that archive, I trust you) In that case I point my finger at myself for Faking (saying that e didn't cause CB to win the game when e did) I also point my finger at Trigon for violating the pledge " Trigon is a show-off " I also intend to destroy the following pledges, without objection " Avoiding IRRELEVANCE" (purpose served) " Mastwg " (purpose served) On Tue, May 26, 2020 at 12:52 PM Jason Cobb via agora-business < agora-business@agoranomic.org> wrote: > On 5/25/20 10:49 PM, Rebecca via agora-business wrote: > > I point a finger at twg for not causing Cuddlebeam to win Agora as of > right > > now > > > E did cause CuddleBeam to win the game [0]. > > [0]: > > https://mailman.agoranomic.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/agora-business/2020-March/042337.html > > -- > Jason Cobb > > -- >From R. Lee
Re: BUS: TWG fingered
On 5/25/20 10:49 PM, Rebecca via agora-business wrote: > I point a finger at twg for not causing Cuddlebeam to win Agora as of right > now E did cause CuddleBeam to win the game [0]. [0]: https://mailman.agoranomic.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/agora-business/2020-March/042337.html -- Jason Cobb
BUS: TWG fingered
I point a finger at twg for not causing Cuddlebeam to win Agora as of right now -- >From R. Lee
Re: BUS: Pledge Destruction
Oh, punishment has already been levied anyway, I forgot. I expunge a blot from myself. On Tue, May 26, 2020 at 12:43 PM Rebecca via agora-business < agora-business@agoranomic.org> wrote: > Having had a finger pointed at me for breaking the pledge to not top-post, > I intend to destroy my pledge "R. Lee keeps top-posting" without objection. > > I will only destroy the pledge when punishments have been levied (this > would be faking if i broke this) > -- > From R. Lee > -- >From R. Lee
BUS: Pledge Destruction
Having had a finger pointed at me for breaking the pledge to not top-post, I intend to destroy my pledge "R. Lee keeps top-posting" without objection. I will only destroy the pledge when punishments have been levied (this would be faking if i broke this) -- >From R. Lee
BUS: Re: OFF: [Promotor] Distribution of Proposals 8388-8404
I vote this way ID Author(s)AITitle --- 8388f nch 1.0 The Webmastor FOR 8389f G. 2.0 Just Impeach instead FOR 8390* R. Lee 3.0 Registror PRESENT 8391* R. Lee 3.0 Notory (Vote Labour) FOR 8392j Jason2.0 Prior violations FOR 8393f Aris 2.0 Elections Aren't Over Till They End FOR 8394f Jason2.0 8228 retry FOR 8395l Jason1.1 Editorial what? FOR 8396e grok, G. 1.0 Auction End Clarification FOR 8397l P.S.S. 2.0 Referral AGAINST 8398* Murphy, nch, G. 3.0 More conservative implicit announcements PRESENT 8399j R. Lee 1.0 E had two months! FOR 8400l R. Lee 1.0 Clinton v City of New York FOR 8401j Aris, P.S.S. 1.0 Defense Against the Dark Arts FOR 8402* Aris, Falsifian 3.0 Promises AGAINST 8403* Trigon 4.0 1698 shortening AGAINST 8404j P.S.S., [1] 1.7 High Crimes and Treason AGAINST
BUS: Sets v1.3.1
This has only three tiny changes from v1.3.1:
* Included a safeguard PSS suggested to flip all proposals in the pool to
Pended. Just in case.
* Reworded the Pended switch to be a negative boolean. It's exactly the same
in effect, just less wordy.
* Reformatted the entire proposal to wrap at 72, which is what I think the SLR
does. Hopefully this makes it a little easier for the Rulekeepor if it passes.
I'll do this for my other proposals in the future.
I submit the following proposal.
{
Title: Sets v1.3.1
Author: nch
Co-Authors: Trigon, Falsifian, PSS, Jason, Aris, G.,
AI: 3
Enact a new Power=1 rule titled "Cards & Sets" with the text:
Cards are a type of currency with a corresponding Product.
Products are also currencies. The types of Cards and their
corresponding Products are:
* Victory Cards and Victory Points.
* Justice Cards and Blot-B-Gones
* Legislative Cards and Pendants
* Voting Cards and Extra Votes
A player CAN pay a 'set' of X Cards of the same type to earn Y
corresponding Products. The value of X determines the value of Y
in the following ways:
* 1 Card = 1 Product
* 2 Cards = 3 Products
* 3 Cards = 6 Products
* 4 Cards = 10 Products
A player CANNOT pay more than 4 Cards as one 'set'.
Cards and Products are tracked by the Treasuror.
For each player that is not a zombie, grant em 1 card of each type.
[The core of this proposal. Collect cards to make the other assets.]
Amend rule 2499 "Welcome Packages" by replacing:
When a player receives a Welcome Package, e earns 10 coins.
with:
When a player receives a Welcome Package, e earns 10 coins and
one of each type of Card defined in the rules.
[Simple Welcome package addition]
Amend rule 2483 "Economics" by removing the following line:
A player CAN win the game by paying a fee of 1,000 Coins.
[Ultimately counter to an economy where we want constant trading and
asset movement.]
Enact a new Power=1 rule titled "VP Wins" with the following text:
If a player has at least 20 more Victory Points than any other
player, e CAN win by announcement. When a player wins this way,
all Cards and all Products are destroyed. Then each non-zombie
player is granted 1 card of each type.
[Exactly what it says on the tin.]
Amend rule 2555 "Blots" by replacing the following paragraph:
If a person (the penitent) has neither gained blots nor had more
than 2 blots expunged from emself in the current Agoran week, then
any player (the confessor) who has not, by this mechanism,
expunged any blots in the current Agoran week CAN expunge 1 blot
from the penitent, by announcement.
with:
Any player CAN expunge a blot from a specified person (or emself
if no one is specified) by paying a fee of one Blot-B-Gone.
[Pretty straightforward, now you need to use Blot-B-Gones to get rid of
Blots (except for the fugitive decay, I left that in).]
Amend rule 2350 "Proposals" by replacing:
Creating a proposal adds it to the Proposal Pool. Once a proposal
is created, neither its text nor any of the aforementioned
attributes can be changed. The author (syn. proposer) of a
proposal is the person who submitted it.
with:
Creating a proposal adds it to the Proposal Pool. Once a proposal
is created, neither its text nor any of the aforementioned
attributes can be changed except as described in the rules. The
author (syn. proposer) of a proposal is the person who submitted
it.
[I moved all the pending stuff out of here, but still modified the
language to allow the co-author mechanic.]
Create a new Power=1 rule titled "Pending Proposals" with the following
text:
Pended is a negative boolean proposal switch tracked by the
Promotor. Any player CAN pay 1 Pendant to flip the Pended switch
of a specified proposal to True. If the player did not create the
proposal and is not listed in the list of co-authors of the
proposal, e is added to the list of co-authors.
The Promotor CAN, once a week and with 2 support, flip the Pended
switch of a proposal in the Proposal Pool to True. E SHOULD NOT do
so if the author of the proposal has at least one Pendant or
Legislative Card.
A proposal with a Pended switch set to True is 'pending'.
[Basically pending is a separate mechanic from the Pool, so that it
interferes with long standing rules about the pool much less.]
Amend 1607 Distribution by replacing:
The Promotor CAN distribute a proposal which is in the Proposal
Pool at any time.
In a given Agoran week, the Promotor SHALL distribute each
proposal that was in the Proposal Pool at the beginning of that
week, except for those excepted from automatic distribution by
other rules, or those that are otherwise remo
BUS: [proposal] Generic private assets
I submit the following proposal:
Title: Generic private assets
Adoption index: 3.0
Author: Jason
Coauthors:
{
Amend Rule 2166 by replacing the text "one defined by a contract is
private" with the text "any other asset is private".
[This removes an underpowered dependency of Rule 2166 and makes sure
that if we (for some reason) expand Mint Authority we don't forget to
change this.]
}
--
Jason Cobb
BUS: Re: OFF: [Promotor] Distribution of Proposals 8388-8404
On Monday, May 25, 2020 5:01:05 PM CDT Aris Merchant via agora-official wrote: > ID Author(s)AITitle > --- > 8388f nch 1.0 The Webmastor FOR > 8389f G. 2.0 Just Impeach instead FOR > 8390* R. Lee 3.0 Registror PRESENT > 8391* R. Lee 3.0 Notory (Vote Labour) PRESENT > 8392j Jason2.0 Prior violations ENDORSE Referee > 8393f Aris 2.0 Elections Aren't Over Till They End FOR > 8394f Jason2.0 8228 retry FOR > 8395l Jason1.1 Editorial what? FOR > 8396e grok, G. 1.0 Auction End Clarification FOR > 8397l P.S.S. 2.0 Referral PRESENT > 8398* Murphy, nch, G. 3.0 More conservative implicit > announcements PRESENT; This solution works, it's just not my favorite one. > 8399j R. Lee 1.0 E had two months! FOR > 8400l R. Lee 1.0 Clinton v City of New York FOR > 8401j Aris, P.S.S. 1.0 Defense Against the Dark Arts FOR. "Contemplating Forbidden Arts" is a hilarious crime. > 8402* Aris, Falsifian 3.0 Promises PRESENT; I wonder if we can do something that better utilizes contracts and maybe talismans to enable this behavior without making an entirely separate system. > 8403* Trigon 4.0 1698 shortening AGAINST; others have argued that the separation is necessary, which might be true. More importantly I'm not going to vote FOR a change to anti-ossification rules without being pretty certain they're necessary. > 8404j P.S.S., [1] 1.7 High Crimes and Treason AGAINST; worried about the amount of paperwork this can spawn. -- nch
BUS: Re: OFF: [Promotor] Distribution of Proposals 8388-8404
I vote as follows: > ID Author(s)AITitle > --- > 8388f nch 1.0 The Webmastor FOR > 8389f G. 2.0 Just Impeach instead FOR > 8390* R. Lee 3.0 Registror AGAINST > 8391* R. Lee 3.0 Notory (Vote Labour) AGAINST; I don't like either of these because it looks wrong and seems unnecessary, but I'm also unsure whether the specification of the amendments are specific enough to be effective. > 8392j Jason2.0 Prior violations FOR > 8393f Aris 2.0 Elections Aren't Over Till They End ENDORSE ADoP > 8394f Jason2.0 8228 retry FOR > 8395l Jason1.1 Editorial what? ENDORSE Editor > 8396e grok, G. 1.0 Auction End Clarification FOR > 8397l P.S.S. 2.0 Referral FOR > 8398* Murphy, nch, G. 3.0 More conservative implicit announcements AGAINST: While this can be frustrating, I think the lack of a default method serves as an important safeguard. > 8399j R. Lee 1.0 E had two months! FOR > 8400l R. Lee 1.0 Clinton v City of New York ENDORSE Comptroller if filled; otherwise, ENDORSE ADoP > 8401j Aris, P.S.S. 1.0 Defense Against the Dark Arts FOR > 8402* Aris, Falsifian 3.0 Promises FOR > 8403* Trigon 4.0 1698 shortening AGAINST; The current language works and given the importance of the rule, we should only change it for a very good reason. > 8404j P.S.S., [1] 1.7 High Crimes and Treason FOR
Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [Proposal] Backup Conservatism
On Mon, May 25, 2020 at 2:12 AM Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion < agora-discuss...@agoranomic.org> wrote: > > On 5/24/2020 4:25 PM, Aris Merchant via agora-business wrote: > > I submit the following proposal. > > > > -Aris > > --- > > Title: Backup Conservatism > > Adoption index: 1.0 > > Author: Aris > > Co-author(s): Murphy, nch, G. > > > > I do not wish to be a co-author of this proposal. thanks. Well, given that I'm processing withdrawals anyway, I withdraw it. -Aris
BUS: a regulatory experiment (auctions)
I submit the following proposal, "no stinking auction definitions", AI-2: Repeal Rule 2584 (Free Auctions) Repeal Rule 2552 (Auction Termination) Repeal Rule 2551 (Auction End) Repeal Rule 2550 (Bidding) Repeal Rule 2549 (Auction Initiation) Amend Rule 2545 (Auctions) to read in full: An auction is a way for entities to give away specified assets (items), grouped into lots, in exchange for a currency. A lot is a non-empty list of items to be transferred to a single recipient (an auction winner). When the rules authorize a person (the auctioneer) to conduct an auction, e CAN do so by any wholly public method that would be generally recognizable, as specified by the auctioneer at the start of the auction, and under common definitions and terms used in auctions, as a fair, equitable, and timely means of determining the auction winners from among the current players, and enabling the appropriate exchange of goods. The rule that authorizes the auction further authorizes the auctioneer or auction winners to transfer said items as necessary to conduct the auction in a manner consistent with the auction method. If the authorization is to auction "new" items, it further authorizes the creation of said items as per the chosen method. The Treasuror is the promulgator for regulations that define specific auction methods (i.e. "the default auction method") and SHOULD do in order to aid trade and commerce. For the purposes of interpreting auction definitions, such methods are treated as if they are defined in this rule. To further aid trade and commerce, auction methods should be interpreted in the name of fairness with deference to the method's clear intent, if intent can be reasonably inferred.
BUS: Re: DIS: [Promotor] Draft Report
On 5/24/2020 1:42 PM, Aris Merchant via agora-discussion wrote: > 8395# G., R. Lee 1.7 Mooting moots > 8396* grok, nch3.0 a Proposed Contract I withdraw the above proposals from the proposal pool (noting the error in authorship of the second one).
