Re: DIS: Re: BUS: AGORA QUEST

2021-08-15 Thread Jason Cobb via agora-business
On 8/14/21 7:09 AM, Cuddle Beam via agora-business wrote:
> - Research HEAVEN-AGORA and who believes it is TRUE.
> - Research HELL-AGORA and who believes it is TRUE.
> - Research the tentacles.
> - Try to help with any CONVERGENCE efforts.
> - Go hang out at ANCS.
> - Visit BLOGNOMIC.
> - (Write-in)
>

I select "Research HELL-AGORA and who believes it is TRUE." in the hopes
of learning more about the scam.

H. Treasuror, I do hereby state my intent that coins, in the amount of 5
boatloads, be moved from my possession to the possession of the player
known as Cuddlebeam. Thank you, and have a nice day.

-- 
Jason Cobb

Assessor, Rulekeepor, S​tonemason



BUS: I didnt actually win the game by stones

2021-08-15 Thread Sarah S. via agora-business
I had a blot when I noticed the gauntlet, so the stones reset but the win
doesn't count. I'm still speaker because this doesn't affect the paradox
win. Cool.

-- 
--
R. Lee


BUS: Re: OFF: [Referee] Courtesy Notification

2021-08-15 Thread Jason Cobb via agora-business
On 8/15/21 8:48 PM, Sarah S. via agora-official wrote:
> Jason pointed the only finger that led to a warning etc last agoran week
> (Aspen's finger was resolved just into the new one). Jason may claim a
> justice card.
>
> --
> R. Lee


Thanks! I do so.

-- 
Jason Cobb

Assessor, Rulekeepor, S​tonemason



Re: BUS: [proposal] Paradox Patch

2021-08-15 Thread Jason Cobb via agora-business
On 8/15/21 6:03 PM, Aspen via agora-business wrote:
> On Thu, Aug 5, 2021 at 2:07 PM Jason Cobb via agora-business
>  wrote:
>> On 8/5/21 4:27 PM, Jason Cobb via agora-business wrote:
>>> Title: Paradox Patch
>>>
>>> Adoption index: 1.0
>>>
>>> Author: Jason
>>>
>>> Coauthors:
>>>
>>> {
>>>
>>> Amend Rule 2553 "Win by Paradox" to read, in whole:
>>>
>>> {
>>>
>>> If a CFJ about the effectiveness, possibility, or legality of a change
>>> in the gamestate has been assigned a judgment of PARADOXICAL
>>> continuously for at least 7 days, then that case's initiator, CAN, by
>>> announcement, Transcend Logic, provided that e has not already
>>> Transcended Logic or won the game with respect to that CFJ. When a
>>> person transcends logic, e wins the game.
>>>
>>> A player who wins in this fashion SHOULD submit a proposal to prevent
>>> the paradox from arising again.
>>>
>>> }
>>>
>>> }
>>
>> *sigh*
>>
>> I withdraw the above proposal
>>
>> I submit, and request certification of, the following proposal:
>>
>> Title: Paradox Patch
>>
>> Adoption index: 1.0
>>
>> Author: Jason
>>
>> Coauthors: G.
> For N from 2 through 5, I intend to certify this proposal with N support.


I support.

-- 
Jason Cobb

Assessor, Rulekeepor, S​tonemason



BUS: Re: OFF: [ADoP] Metareport

2021-08-15 Thread Sarah S. via agora-business
I declare myself the winner of the minister election, being the only
candidate (and the nomination phase having ended)

On Mon, Aug 16, 2021 at 8:58 AM Edward Murphy via agora-official <
agora-offic...@agoranomic.org> wrote:

> I publish the following report, then submit a Claim of Error on it (to
> prevent self-ratification): R. Lee may be Registrar. (E stated that it
> was vacant, which if so then I was unaware, then attempted to deputise
> and publish its weekly and monthly report. If confirmed, then relevant
> events will be included in next week's report.)
>
>
> =Metareport=
> You can find an up-to-date version of this report at
> http://zenith.homelinux.net/adop/report.php
>
> Date of last report: 2021-08-08
> Date of this report: 2021-08-15
>
>
> MISCELLANEOUS INFO
>
> 
> Filled offices: 15/17 (88.24%)
> Total officers: 11
> Consolidation[1]: 1.36
> Late reports: 2/13 (15.38%)
> 
> [1] This is the number of filled offices divided by the number of
> officers. At 1, this means that all offices are filled by different
> players; if it reached the number of filled offices, that would mean
> that all offices are filled by one player.
>
>
> OFFICES
>
> Office Holder[1]  Since Last Election Complexity
> 
> ADoP   Murphy 2020-07-032021-07-111
> ArbitorTelna  2021-06-222021-07-112
> Assessor ~ Jason  2019-07-092020-07-273
> Distributoromd2018-06-15(never)[3]0
> Herald   ~*nix2021-08-09(ongoing) 2
> Ministor  *(vacant)   2021-08-02[2] (ongoing) 1
> Notary   ~ ATMunn 2020-10-122021-01-172
> Prime Minister Falsifian  2021-07-042021-07-040
> Promotor   Aspen  2016-10-212021-07-043
> RefereeR. Lee 2021-06-172021-07-112
> Registrar  Gaelan 2021-07-172021-07-181
> Rulekeepor Jason  2019-12-062021-07-043
> SpeakerR. Lee 2021-08-082019-11-05 [3]0
> Stonemason Jason  2020-11-11(never)   1
> Tailor Murphy 2021-02-282021-07-111
> Treasuror  Trigon 2020-05-012021-07-043
> Webmastor *(vacant)   2021-07-21[2] (ongoing) 1
> 
> [1] * = Interim office (vacant or holder not elected)
>  ~ = Term limited (held for 180+ days, 90+ for Prime Minister)
> [2] Vacant since this date
> [3] Currently imposed
>
>
> WEEKLY REPORTS
>
> Office ReportLast Published Late[1]
> 
> ADoP   Offices   2021-08-08[2]
> ArbitorJudicial matters  2021-08-09
> Notary Contracts 2021-08-02
> Promotor   Proposal pool 2021-08-04
> RefereeRule violations   2021-08-09
> Registrar  Players, Fora 2021-07-17 !!!
> Rulekeepor Short Logical Ruleset 2021-08-13
> Stonemason Stones2021-08-13
> Tailor Glitter values2021-08-15
> Treasuror  Coins, other currencies   2021-08-09
> 
> [1] ! = 1 period missed, !! = 2, !!! = 3+
> [2] Not including this report
>
> MONTHLY REPORTS
>
> Office ReportLast Published Late
> 
> Herald Patent titles 2021-07-02
> Ministor   Foci  2021-08-02 (vacant)
> Registrar  Player history2021-05-02 !!
> Rulekeepor Full Logical Ruleset  2021-07-29
> Tailor Ribbons   2021-08-01
> Webmastor  Web resources 2021-02-07 (vacant)
> 
>
>
> ELECTIONS
>
> Office Initiated   Phase   Candidates
> 
> Herald 2021-08-08  Post-nominating (none)
> Ministor   2021-08-08  Post-nominating R. Lee
> Webmastor  2021-08-08  Post-nominating (none)
> 
>
> UPCOMING ELECTIONS[1]
>
> Office Days Until  Last Election
> 

BUS: Finger Pointing [attn. Referee]

2021-08-15 Thread Aspen via agora-business
I point my finger at myself for Tardiness, and more specifically for
failing to publish a Promotor's report on time. The failure arose from
ordinary negligence, but I could have gotten the report out easily if I had
prioritized it earlier in the week.

-Aspen


Re: BUS: (@tailor) Re: Fwd: OFF: CFJ 3923 Assigned to G.

2021-08-15 Thread Edward Murphy via agora-business

G. wrote:


I award myself blue glitter for doing this.


I award 7 boatloads of coins (154 coins) to G.


Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: CFJ 3924 Assigned to Cuddlebeam [@Cuddlebeam]

2021-08-15 Thread Edward Murphy via agora-business

Cuddlebeam wrote:


I also claim Blue Glitter.


I award 7 boatloads of coins (154 coins) to Cuddlebeam.


Re: BUS: [proposal] Paradox Patch

2021-08-15 Thread Aspen via agora-business
On Thu, Aug 5, 2021 at 2:07 PM Jason Cobb via agora-business
 wrote:
>
> On 8/5/21 4:27 PM, Jason Cobb via agora-business wrote:
> > Title: Paradox Patch
> >
> > Adoption index: 1.0
> >
> > Author: Jason
> >
> > Coauthors:
> >
> > {
> >
> > Amend Rule 2553 "Win by Paradox" to read, in whole:
> >
> > {
> >
> > If a CFJ about the effectiveness, possibility, or legality of a change
> > in the gamestate has been assigned a judgment of PARADOXICAL
> > continuously for at least 7 days, then that case's initiator, CAN, by
> > announcement, Transcend Logic, provided that e has not already
> > Transcended Logic or won the game with respect to that CFJ. When a
> > person transcends logic, e wins the game.
> >
> > A player who wins in this fashion SHOULD submit a proposal to prevent
> > the paradox from arising again.
> >
> > }
> >
> > }
>
>
> *sigh*
>
> I withdraw the above proposal
>
> I submit, and request certification of, the following proposal:
>
> Title: Paradox Patch
>
> Adoption index: 1.0
>
> Author: Jason
>
> Coauthors: G.

For N from 2 through 5, I intend to certify this proposal with N support.


Re: BUS: New Rule: Onboarding of Newly Activated Players

2021-08-15 Thread Aspen via agora-business
On Tue, Jul 27, 2021 at 9:31 AM D. Wet via agora-business
 wrote:
>
> I propose to create a new Rule in the Agoran commmunity to be adopted
> according to the current rule adoption procedure. The Rule is:
>
> Onboarding of Newly Activated Players
>
> 1. Newly Activated Players MUST be requested to take their first Action
> in a timely fashion after being switched to Active.
>
> 2. Players that are Active less than one month MUST actively be educated
> when their Action is IMPOSSIBLE within the current Ruleset.
>
> 3. The education in referred to in 2. MUST contain references to N
> specific Rules numbers as to why their Action is ILLEGAL within the
> current Ruleset. N is at least 1 and at most 3 and NEED NOT to lead to a
> POSSIBLE Action when taken into account during the next try to act.

I remove this proposal from the pool. This is a purely clerical action
to clarify the gamestate, and you should feel to resubmit less
ambiguously.


Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: CFJ 3924 Assigned to Cuddlebeam [@Cuddlebeam]

2021-08-15 Thread Edward Murphy via agora-business

Cuddlebeam  wrote:


I claim a Blue Ribbon by the way.

I also claim Blue Glitter.


Ribbon for the first judgment and Glitter for the second, I assume?

I submit the following proposals and pay one (1) pendant to pend it.

Proposal: Reasons for Ribbons
(AI = 3)

Amend Rule 2438 (Ribbons) by replacing this text:

  While a person qualifies for a type of Ribbon:

- If e has not owned that type of Ribbon within the preceding 7
  days, any player CAN, by announcement, award em that type of
  Ribbon.

with this text:

  While a person qualifies for a type of Ribbon and has not owned
  that type of Ribbon within the preceding 7 days, any player CAN,
  by announcement, award em that type of Ribbon. This announcement
  SHOULD specify how e qualifies for it (e.g. for Blue, which CFJ
  e judged).

Amend Rule 2602 (Glitter) to read:

  Each type of Ribbon has a corresponding type of Glitter with the
  same name.

  A player qualifies for a type of Glitter when e qualifies for the
  same type of Ribbon while already owning such a Ribbon. If a
  player has not been awarded that type of Ribbon or the
  corresponding type of Glitter since e last earned or came to
  qualify for that type of Ribbon, and has not been so awarded five
  or more times within the past 24 hours, any player CAN award em
  that type of Glitter by announcement. This announcement SHOULD
  specify how e qualifies for that type of Ribbon.

  When a player gains a type of Glitter, the Tailor CAN once by
  announcement and SHALL in an officially timely fashion award em
  N/2 boatloads of coins rounded up, where N is the number of
  players that did not own the corresponding type of Ribbon at the
  time of the award. The amount payable for each type of Glitter is
  tracked in the Tailor's weekly report.


Re: BUS: Re: OFF: CFJ 3922 Assigned to Murphy (attn Treasuror)

2021-08-15 Thread Edward Murphy via agora-business

Aspen wrote:


On Sun, Aug 8, 2021 at 4:59 PM Kerim Aydin via agora-business
 wrote:



On 8/8/2021 3:33 PM, Edward Murphy via agora-business wrote:

The rules actually say "clearly specify" at one other point (Rule 107,
Initiating Agoran Decisions). In this case, while "exactly which part of
this message constitutes the text of the intended proposal" is somewhat
unclear, it isn't substantially unclear; any reasonable interpretation
still leads to a proposal that,


I intend to motion to reconsider this judgement with 2 support.

In this judgement, the judge is (1) claiming the text is clearly
specified, but (2) then says it's somewhat unclear, but then (3) says any
reasonable interpretation works, but (4) then doesn't actually give an
interpretation, that's not clarifying at all (in direct contradiction to
the stated judgement).

Regardless of the fact that multiple interpretations might lead to a
proposal that gives the same result, that does not make a single text
clear, and a single text is required. If "any reasonable" interpretation
is possible, then there's no clear single interpretation, which the rule
requires.

-G.


I strongly support and do so.

-The Promotor, who likes knowing what e supposed to put in eir reports


I recuse myself from this CFJ, but request that the new judge address
how the absence of "clearly" in Rule 2350 (Proposals) affects this
case. (Obviously it would be a good thing to fix legislatively.)


Re: BUS: Lol

2021-08-15 Thread Edward Murphy via agora-business

R. Lee wrote:


I intend to have each active player win by apathy without objection

(sorry, I'm just testing if the settings I tweaked mean I can also reply as
this email)


I also object.