BUS: Re: OFF: [Promotor] Distribution of Proposals 8180-8187

[Owen Jacobson]

I vote as follows:

On Jun 12, 2019, at 1:58 AM, Aris Merchant  
wrote:

> IDAuthor(s) AITitle
> ---
> 8180  Trigon, D Margaux 1.0   Paying our Assessor

FOR.

> 8181  D Margaux, [1]1.7   Referee CAN Impose Fines (v1.1)

PRESENT. I was of the impression that MUST/SHALL clauses implied CAN anyways in 
the absence of rules suggesting otherwise, under a CFJ precedent, but I don’t 
have the CFJ I’m thinking of at my fingertips. If others feel that this is 
either necessary or clearer, I won’t stand in the way.

> 8182  Jason Cobb3.0   Add value to zombies

FOR. I’m against zombies generally, but there’s no point in having them be 
_buggy_ zombies.

> 8183  V.J. Rada, Tiger  3.0   Regulated Actions Reform

AGAINST. This would gut contracts if those contracts require a party to abstain 
from acting, unless the action is regulated. I’m happy keeping this 
proscription against proscribing unregulated actions to the Rules only.

> 8184  G.3.0   power-limit precedence

FOR.

> 8185  Trigon3.0   OUGHT we?

AGAINST. I’m a humourless git, and/or, see my vote on proposal 8178.

> 8186  Jason Cobb3.0   Minor currency fixes

FOR.

> 8187  Jason Cobb3.0   Not so indestructible now, eh?

FOR.

-o



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BUS: Right Action

[Owen Jacobson]

I pay 12 coins to Jason Cobb.

I pay 4 coins to V.J Rada.

I pay 4 coins to Walker.

-o


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BUS: Re: OFF: [Temporary Deputy-ADoP] Initiation of Election for Prime Minister

[Owen Jacobson]

On Jun 2, 2019, at 8:29 AM, D Margaux  wrote:

> I temporarily deputise for ADoP to initiate an election for Prime Minister 
> (for reals this time).
> 
> The valid options are G., Corona, and Aris.
> 
> The vote collector is the ADoP and the voting method is instant runoff.

I withdraw any previous vote on this decision.

I vote for Aris, then G., then Corona.

-o



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BUS: Re: [Temporary Deputy-ADoP] Initiation of Election for Prime Minister

[Owen Jacobson]

On Jun 2, 2019, at 8:29 AM, D Margaux  wrote:

> I temporarily deputise for ADoP to initiate an election for Prime Minister 
> (for reals this time).
> 
> The valid options are G., Corona, and Aris.
> 
> The vote collector is the ADoP and the voting method is instant runoff.

I vote for Aris, then G., then Corona.

-o


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BUS: Re: OFF: [Promotor] Distribution of Proposals 8178-8179

[Owen Jacobson]

TTttPF. It’s good to be back.

-o

> On May 27, 2019, at 9:30 PM, Owen Jacobson  wrote:
> 
> I vote as follows:
> 
> On May 27, 2019, at 4:43 PM, Aris Merchant 
>  wrote:
> 
>> IDAuthor(s)   AITitle
>> ---
>> 8178  Trigon  3.0   n’t
> 
> AGAINST. Or ain’tn’t, if you prefer. I don’t generally mind contractions, but 
> adding more ways to say the same thing seems unnecessary given the number of 
> synonyms that are already defined.
> 
>> 8179  D Margaux, Aris 2.0   Intent is Important (v1.1)
> 
> AGAINST. Been the Referee. Would have hated this - and I wrote a fair number 
> of referee calls that invoked intent. If you want Refereeing subjected to a 
> lot of CFJs and generally bogged down, impose a subjective constraint on it 
> like this as a matter of law rather than a matter of policy. At least as 
> things are now, if someone’s refereeing unfairly, we can solve it by deposing 
> them.
> 
> -o
> 



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BUS: [Bleach] Line-wrapping the Line-Item Veto (attn H. Rulekeepor)

[Owen Jacobson]

I intend, without objection, to clean rule 2597 (“Line-item Veto”) to have the 
following formatting:

-
  The Comptrollor is an imposed office. When the office is vacant,
  the ADoP CAN, by announcement, set the Comptrollor to a player
  chosen at random from the set of current Officers, excepting any
  player who was most recently the Comptrollor. The ADoP SHALL do
  so in a timely fashion after the office becomes vacant.

  When the Comptrollor office has been held for the same player for
  30 days, it becomes vacant.

  A Notice of Veto is a body of text, published by the Comptrollor,
  clearly, directly, and without obfuscation labelled within the
  publishing message as being a Notice of Veto.

  When a Comptrollor publishes a Notice of Veto, the office of
  Comptrollor becomes vacant.

  If the text of a Notice of Veto clearly indicates certain
  provisions within specified Proposals as being vetoed, and the
  voting period for a decision to adopt the proposal is ongoing
  when the Notice is published, then the provisions are vetoed. For
  the purposes of this Rule, each individual change specified
  within a proposal's text is a "provision".

  Vetoed provisions in a proposal are prohibited from being applied
  when the proposal takes effect (that is, that part of the
  proposal's effect CANNOT be applied).
-

This change treats each line in the current rule as a paragraph, and makes no 
other changes. I believe it respects rules 2221 (“Cleanliness”) and 2429 
(“Bleach”).

-o

BUS: return None

[Owen Jacobson]

I register myself.

-o

BUS: Re: OFF: [ADoP] Arbitor Election Decision

[Owen Jacobson]

> As per my duties as ADoP, I hereby initiate the Agoran Decision to
> select the winner of the Arbitor election.
> 
> For this decision, the vote collector is the Assessor, the quorum is 8
> [I think?], the valid options are the candidates (PRESENT is always a
> valid vote, as are conditionals), and the voting method is instant
> runoff.
> 
> Currently, the candidates are Cuddlebeam and o. As the election is
> contested, *any player still may become a candidate until the poll ends.*

I vote {o}.

-o



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Re: BUS: Re: DIS: Arbitor Candidate Needed

[Owen Jacobson]

> On Dec 14, 2017, at 1:37 PM, Cuddle Beam  wrote:
> 
> Hopefully someone else contests me lol.
> 
> I become a Candidate for Arbitor.

I stand for the office of Arbitor, on the platform of not being "the other guy."

However, if I’m elected, I will have to resign (or withdraw my candidacy, 
whichever) as Referee, and I may have to resign one of my other offices, as 
well. Arbitor is substantially more core to Agora than Treasuror or Surveyor, 
and I’m barely keeping up as it is.

-o



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BUS: Re: OFF: [Promotor] Distribution of Proposal 7993

[Owen Jacobson]

I vote as follows:

> ID Author(s)  AITitlePender  Pend fee
> ---
> 7993*  Alexis 1.0   Conditional Ban  Alexis  1 AP

AGAINST.

I was sorely tempted to vote for this: conditionals are so core to current 
Agora play that living without them for a few months might legitimately be 
interesting. However, I can’t bring myself to do it.

-o



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BUS: Re: OFF: [Notary] Weekly Report

[Owen Jacobson]

I cause the following contracts to transfer 1 sh. apiece to Agora to pay their 
monthly sustenance:

* 狐票店
* MiniNomic
* The Agoran Credit Union

I intend, with notice, to destroy the following contracts, which were unable to 
pay their sustenance payments:

* No Self-Indulgence
* Reporting Agency
* Sherlock Holmes Institute
* (2017-11-28 V.J Rada)

-o



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BUS: Re: OFF: [Agronomist] Weekly Report

[Owen Jacobson]

> On Dec 4, 2017, at 11:53 PM, Owen Jacobson <o...@grimoire.ca> wrote:
> 
> Agronomist's Weekly Report
> 
> Date of this report: Tue,  4 Dec 2017
> Date of last report: Tue, 28 Nov 2017

I resign as Agronomist.

-o



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BUS: Re: OFF: [Promotor] Distribution of Proposals 7989-7992

[Owen Jacobson]

I vote as follows:

> ID Author(s)  AITitlePender  Pend fee
> ---
> 7989*  Telnaior   3.0   Don't FAGE the FAGE  Telnaior1 AP

PRESENT. I’m not familiar enough with the issues of Power here to determine if 
this is necessary, but I don’t want the vote to fail for lack of quorum.

> 7990*  P.S.S [2]  1.0   History by Force P.S.S. [2]  1 AP

AGAINST, for reasons I already discussed in the election for the office of 
Herald.

> 7991*  G. 3.0   Ribbon fix   G.  1 AP

FOR.

> 7992*  Alexis 3.0   More CAN Fixes   Alexis  1 AP

FOR, although I’m not sure this proposal was ever pending.

-o


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Re: BUS: Resignation, favours, and pledge

[Owen Jacobson]

> On Nov 27, 2017, at 8:56 PM, Owen Jacobson <o...@grimoire.ca> wrote:
> 
> 
>> On Nov 22, 2017, at 6:50 PM, VJ Rada <vijar...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> I pay one shiny to create the following contract (destroying 10 bills
>> and trading w/ ACU)
>> TITLE: WHATEVER
>> TEXT: THIS CONTRACT HOLDS RADA's Assets
>> 
>> i transfer 3,000 justice favours to this contract
> 
> If this contract still exists, I intend, with Agoran Consent, to destroy it. 
> It has served its purpose, and in any case, appears not to function.

I do so, supported by V.J Rada, ATMunn, and Aris.

-o



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BUS: Re: OFF: [ADoP] Referee Election Decision Initiation (for real this time)

[Owen Jacobson]

On Dec 1, 2017, at 9:45 AM, ATMunn  wrote:

> As per my duties as ADoP, I hereby initiate the Agoran Decision to
> select the winner of the Referee election.
> 
> For this decision, the vote collector is the Assessor, the quorum is 6,
> the valid options are the candidates (PRESENT is always a valid vote, as
> are conditionals), and the voting method is instant runoff.
> 
> Currently, the candidates are Corona, PSS, and o. As the election is
> contested, any player still may become a candidate until the poll ends.
> (Note to Corona: You should withdraw your nomination, as you pledged to
> do so if you became Herald.)
> 
> There were no campaign proposals.

I vote {o, PSS, Corona}.

-o



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Re: BUS: Herald

[Owen Jacobson]

On Nov 30, 2017, at 6:38 PM, Corona  wrote:

> I intend with 3 support to resign
> the office of Herald, appointing Publius Scribonius Scholasticus.

I don’t know what you two are up to, but I support.


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BUS: Re: OFF: [Registrar] Monthly Report

[Owen Jacobson]

On Nov 30, 2017, at 4:09 PM, Publius Scribonius Scholasticus 
 wrote:

> 
>Registrar's Monthly Report
> 
> 
> (all times UTC)
> 
> Date of last report: 31 Oct 2017
> Date of this report: 30 Nov 2017
> 
> 
> 
> Recent events:
> 
> 
> Players (19) (Rule 869, self-ratifying)
> 
> Player   Contact Registered
> --   --- --
> Aris thoughtsoflifeandlight17 at gmail.com   13 Sep 16
> Murphy   emurphy42 at zoho.com   27 Oct 07
> oowen at grimoire.ca 12 Jul 16
> 天火狐draconicdarkness at gmail.com   06 Nov 16
> Quazie   quazienomic at gmail.com15 Apr 17
> P. Scholasticus [2]  pscriboniusscholasticus at gmail.com[3] 16 Apr 17
> Gaelan   gbs at canishe.com  15 May 17
> Ienpw IIIjames.m.beirne at gmail.com 21 May 17
> omd  comexk at gmail.com [4] 03 Feb 11
> Bayushi  thelas.staloras at gmail.com29 Jun 17
> nichdel  nichdel at gmail.com29 Jun 17
> G.   kerim at u.washington.edu   25 Aug 17
> Cuddle Beam  cuddlebeam at gmail.com 25 Aug 17
> V.J. Radavijarada at gmail.com   05 Sep 17
> ATMunn   iamingodsarmy at gmail.com  21 Sep 17
> ProofTechnique   jhenahan at me.com  23 Sep 17
> Trigon   reuben.staley at gmail.com  24 Sep 17
> Alexis   alercah at gmail.com27 Sep 17
> Telnaior jdga at iinet.net.au20 Oct 17

CoE: there are 16 players.

-o



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Re: BUS: Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [Assessor] Resolution of the Election for Herald and Proposal 7981

[Owen Jacobson]

> On Nov 29, 2017, at 9:06 PM, Publius Scribonius Scholasticus 
>  wrote:
> 
> Sorry about this. What occurs here is that I enter all of the data into
> a table and then the computer generates the chart. This was me making a
> typo, I am very sorry. Additionally, I intend with 3 support to resign
> the office of Registrar, appointing Corona.

I support.

-o



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BUS: [Notary] Dues Reminder

[Owen Jacobson]

Salve,

The following contracts will be charged 1 sh. apiece tomorrow, and appear to 
have insufficient Shinies to pay that amount:

MiniNomic
No Self-Indulgence
Reporting Agency
Sherlock Holmes Institute
(2017-11-28 V.J Rada)
WHATEVER

Interested parties may want to top up those contracts’ respective balances.

-o



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BUS: Deposits

[Owen Jacobson]

I pay the ACU 7 sh. to create 70 bills in my possession.

The ACU now owns over a quarter of all Shinies. I’m taking suggestions for how 
to fix basic income now that I’ve utterly broken it with a money-eater 
contract. I’m somewhat inclined to allow the ACU to lend Shinies to Agora, 
starting the process of moving Bills off of the Shiny Standard, but that may be 
premature, and may be irrelevant if either or both of the economic reform 
proposal and the draft land game proposal go through.

-o



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Re: BUS: CFJ & Deregistration

[Owen Jacobson]

On Nov 28, 2017, at 4:53 PM, VJ Rada  wrote:

> Also I deregister. If I can take game actions. If I can't, I can't
> deregister. "but wait doesn't that mean Rada is a player w/out eir
> consent, which is utterly repugnant to the genius of our laws?" yes.
> yes it does.

I cause Agora to transfer all Bills in its possession to the Agoran Credit 
Union.

-o



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Re: BUS: CFJ & Deregistration

[Owen Jacobson]

> On Nov 28, 2017, at 4:53 PM, VJ Rada  wrote:
> 
> (If I can take actions)
> 
> I destroy 10 bills, get 1 shinies, and use it to create a contract
> with the following text {This sentence is false. If the previous
> sentence is false, V.J. Rada SHALL give Agora 1 billion shinies within
> a month if e is a player}

Fun fact: the current contract rules neither specify that contracts have names 
nor require that contracts be given names. The convention of naming contracts 
is purely informal.

However, for reporting purposes, this contract will be identified as V.J Rada’s 
Paradox. It’s unclear whether it exists, but I need to be able to talk about it 
in reports until its existence is resolved.

If this contract exists, I intend, with Agoran consent, to destroy it. It has 
served its purpose.

-o



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Re: BUS: Objection!

[Owen Jacobson]

> On Nov 28, 2017, at 12:32 PM, Corona  wrote:
> 
> I doubt and CoE the Clork's and Treasuror's last weekly reports and
> any other self-ratifying reports that do not recognize that all
> actions attempted in my message with the header "Bid" succeeded and/or
> explicitly or implicitly assert that at least one of these actions
> failed, on the grounds that I think they all succeeded.

For the Treasuror’s report, I identify my most recently-called CFJ, which 
discusses the error directly.

-o



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Re: BUS: o can be silly now

[Owen Jacobson]

> On Nov 22, 2017, at 4:52 PM, Kerim Aydin  wrote:
> 
> I designate o to be next week's silly person.  (week starting Nov 27th).

I designate ATMunn to be the silly person for the week beginning Dec. 3rd.

I submit the following proposal, as this week’s Silly Proposal (and thus an 
Official Proposal), titled “The Scourging of Agora”:

> From afar, the farmer bayushi arrived
> Speaking wonders that grow on our land. E failed,
> But eir cause won over a clerk, who contrived
> To save it and bring crops to life.
> 
> Months have now passed and not one green sprout has grown.
> The clerk was a fool. Repeal these rules, and clear
> The ground for new ideas: Rule 2501
> Must go, cut loose with a sharp knife.
> 
> Repeal as well rule 2502 it derived
> From the first. Rule 2503 too, which entailed
> Something like food. Rule 2504 goes, it's flown.
> And with that, Agora can cheer.

-o


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Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Treasuror] Weekly Report

[Owen Jacobson]

On Nov 28, 2017, at 12:30 AM, Aris Merchant 
<thoughtsoflifeandligh...@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Mon, Nov 27, 2017 at 9:04 PM, Owen Jacobson <o...@grimoire.ca> wrote:
>> 1,011 repetitions of this pair of events:
>> {{
>> Thu,  9 Nov 2017 08:50:46 + V.J Rada paid Agora 1 sh.
>> Thu,  9 Nov 2017 08:50:46   Agora paid V.J Rada 1 sh.
>> }}
> 
> CoE: all of these repetitions failed per CFJ 3597.

Good point. My attempt to revisit that part of the CFJ failed.

>> Thu,  9 Nov 2017 09:26:41   V.J Rada paid o 11 sh.
>> Sat, 11 Nov 2017 21:13:19   Agora paid Alexis 5 sh.
>> Sun, 12 Nov 2017 16:30:26   Agora paid 天火狐 5 sh.
>> Sun, 12 Nov 2017 21:47:09   Agora paid G. 5 sh.
>> Sun, 12 Nov 2017 22:45:07   Agora paid G. 5 sh.
>> Sun, 12 Nov 2017 23:37:19 + Aris created a stamp for 6 sh.
>> Sun, 12 Nov 2017 23:37:19   Agora paid Aris 5 sh.
>> Sun, 12 Nov 2017 23:37:19   Agora paid Aris 5 sh.
>> Mon, 13 Nov 2017 03:12:56 + 天火狐 paid Agora 1 sh.
>> Tue, 14 Nov 2017 02:20:28   Agora paid V.J Rada 5 sh.
>> Tue, 14 Nov 2017 02:45:07   Agora paid ATMunn 5 sh.
>> Tue, 14 Nov 2017 07:34:51 +*V.J Rada paid Agora 1 sh.
>> Wed, 15 Nov 2017 18:01:50   Agora paid G. 5 sh.
>> - previous report -
>> Thu, 16 Nov 2017 05:37:25   o destroyed an "o" stamp to gain 59 sh.
>> Thu, 16 Nov 2017 05:37:25   o destroyed an "o" stamp to gain 59 sh.
>> Thu, 16 Nov 2017 05:37:25   Agora paid o 15 sh.
>> Thu, 16 Nov 2017 05:39:29   Aris destroyed an "Aris" stamp to gain 59 sh.
> 
> CoE: I attempted to destroy two of these, unless one failed for some
> reason. I know that there was a link in one of them, but I don't think
> that would make it fail. It may have self-ratified by now
> unfortunately, but I'd like to clear it up.

Entirely my error. The quoting in your message was somewhat unusual, and read

>> I destroy one stamp I own, which I made, to cause Agora to pay me 59 sh.
> I destroy one stamp I own, which I made, to cause Agora to pay me 59 sh.
> 
> -Aris

I’m used to this - but I missed the leading action and only accounted for one 
of the two. Unfortunately, correcting the record throws even more actions 
involving V.J Rada into question in ways that are going to be awkward to 
untangle. Would you be willing to accept partial compensation, plus the right 
to keep the incorrect stamp, in lieu? I realize the Agoran tradition is light 
on equitable remedies, but I’d like to at least try.

-o



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Re: BUS: Re: DIS: Anyone want to be interim Referee?

[Owen Jacobson]

> On Nov 28, 2017, at 12:44 AM, Alexis Hunt  wrote:
> 
> On Mon, 27 Nov 2017 at 23:23 Gaelan Steele  wrote:
> 
>> I’ll take it.
>> 
>> Gaelan
>> 
> 
> I intend, with 3 support, to resign as Referee, appointing Gaelan as my
> successor.

I support.

-o



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BUS: Re: OFF: [Arbitor] CFJs 3599-3601 assigned to o

[Owen Jacobson]

I find as follows:

> On Nov 19, 2017, at 3:01 PM, Kerim Aydin  wrote:
> 
>> AP-CFJ: "If a proposal specifies an amendment to a rule consisting of
>> multiple parts, one of which is a title change, then the entire amendment
>> fails."
> 
> This is CFJ 3599.

FALSE, in general, but it’s possible to write a proposal whose effects 
terminate at the title change, as alleged by the caller. The proposal in 
question happens not to be an example of such a proposal.

Rule 105 (“Rule Changes”) governs:

>  Where permitted by other rules, an instrument generally can, as
>  part of its effect,
>   …
>  4. amend the text of a rule.
> 
>  5. retitle a rule.

Furthermore, those changes must happen separately:

>  A rule change is any effect that falls into the above classes.
>  Rule changes always occur sequentially, never simultaneously.


It’s clear from the text of the rule that there are no hybrid effects, as 
“retitle a rule and change its text” is not one of the kinds of rule changes 
permitted by that rule. However, when determining the rule to which a change 
applies, rule 105 is liberal:

>  Any ambiguity in the specification of a rule change causes that
>  change to be void and without effect. An inconsequential variation
>  in the quotation of an existing rule does not constitute ambiguity
>  for the purposes of this rule, but any other variation does.


In other words, where a change is _not_ ambiguous, it can (and will be, if 
otherwise valid) applied. Changing the title of a rule does not render the rule 
unidentifiable, and it is entirely unambiguous to interpret a proposal such as

Change the rule titled “X” as follows:

1. Change its title to “Y”
2. Change its text to “New-Text”

as applying two distinct changes, in sequence, without interruption due to the 
change of title. The specification does not become instantly ambiguous; we can 
continue to identify the single rule whose title was X prior to the application 
of the proposal if it was unambiguous at that time, and the entire sequence 
fails if it was not.

>> Shiny-CFJ: "If a proposal specifies to "amend" a rule by changing its
>> title (and no other change), it succeeds in retitling the rule."
> 
> This is CFJ 3600.

TRUE, by the same reasoning.

>> shiny-CFJ: "Proposal 7924 succeeded in amending Rule 1023".
> 
> This is CFJ 3601.

TRUE.

This is the core of this group of CFJs, and the true matter in question.

Proposal 7924’s history is troubling. Its text was accidentally omitted from a 
number of reports and official messages, which made its effects on the rules 
harder to determine. Furthermore, that proposal substantially enacted the bulk 
of the current Contracts rules - it’s not a minor proposal. As near as I can 
tell, the portions of that proposal intended to affect rule 1023 are:

> Amend Rule 1023, "Common Definitions", by (please note that these actions
> are severable):
> 
>* removing the third item of the top level list;
>* renumbering appropriately; and
>* changing its title to "Agoran Time"


At the start of the application of the proposal, and in fact immediately before 
the application of this group of changes, rule 1023 was in fact titled “Common 
Definitions”. We can decompose the sequence of changes unambiguously and 
uniquely into the following sequence:

> Amend rule 1023 (“Common Definitions”) by removing the third item of the top 
> level list.

I can see no reason this should not have succeeded. This is a 
minimally-abstracted way of specifying a change to the text, which is 
well-defined under and allowed by rule 105.

> Amend rule 1023 (“Common Definitions”) by renumbering appropriately.


The wording is somewhat sloppy, but unproblematic, as renumbering all numbered 
things in the text of the rule has the most likely intended effect. Again, rule 
105 allows this and gives it a well-defined meaning.

> Amend rule 1023 (“Common Definitions”) by changing its title to "Agoran Time”.

Retitling a rule is, again, allowed and given a specific meaning by rule 105, 
and at this point in the sequence of changes, there is no ambiguity as to which 
single rule this change should have been applied to.

It is already true that the clauses of a proposal are severable, in the sense 
that one failing clause does not automatically cause the entire proposal to be 
without effect, and the reminder that the three atomic rule changes given in 
proposal 7924 are severable does not change the interpretation of that proposal.

-o



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BUS: [Treasuror] Distribution

[Owen Jacobson]

I cause Agora to distribute the following payments:

Tue, 21 Nov 2017 18:32:19 ? G. paid Agora 1 sh.
Wed, 22 Nov 2017 00:49:31 ? V.J Rada paid Agora 20 sh.
Wed, 22 Nov 2017 23:50:31 ? V.J Rada paid Agora 1 sh.
Fri, 24 Nov 2017 15:58:52 ? ATMunn paid Agora 1 sh.
Sun, 26 Nov 2017 18:12:59 ? Alexis paid Agora 1 sh.
Sun, 26 Nov 2017 23:20:31 ? V.J Rada paid Agora 2 sh.
Sun, 26 Nov 2017 23:59:04 ? Aris paid Agora 1 sh.
Tue, 28 Nov 2017 00:18:20 ? V.J Rada paid Agora 3 sh.
Tue, 28 Nov 2017 01:08:36 ? ATMunn paid Agora 1 sh.
Tue, 28 Nov 2017 01:08:36 ? ATMunn paid Agora 1 sh.
Tue, 28 Nov 2017 01:08:36 ? ATMunn paid Agora 1 sh.

In total, 21 sh. must be distributed. However, Agora’s balance is 18 sh., so 3 
sh. will not be distributed. I cause Agora to pay as follows:

0 -> 1 sh.:
* 1 sh. to Telnaior
* 1 sh. to Corona
1 -> 2 sh.:
* 1 sh. to Telnaior
* 1 sh. to Corona
2 -> 3 sh.:
* 1 sh. to V.J Rada
* 1 sh to Telnaior
* 1 sh. to Corona
3 -> 4 sh.:
* 1 sh. to V.J Rada
* 1 sh to Telnaior
* 1 sh. to Corona
4 -> 5 sh.:
* 1 sh. to V.J Rada
* 1 sh to Telnaior
* 1 sh. to Corona
5 -> 6 sh.:
* 1 sh. to V.J Rada
* 1 sh. to ATMunn
* 1 sh. to Telnaior
* 1 sh. to Corona
6 -> 7 sh.:
* 1 sh. to V.J Rada

In total, Agora made the following payments:

* 6 sh. to Telnaior
* 6 sh. to Corona
* 5 sh. to V.J Rada
* 1 sh. to ATMunn

-o



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BUS: [ACU] Bank Statement

[Owen Jacobson]

The Agoran Credit Union report

Date of this report:
Date of last report: N/A


Chair: o

Policy:

   Bills are meant to be a gently inflationary medium of exchange, and a
   carrot to use to get people to take Shinies out of circulation and put them
   in the bank. With the members' consent, I hope to define systems for the
   bank to invest and recoup those Shinies, but even if that fails, dividing
   every Shiny into ten Bills while providing a reliable way to convert them
   back into Shinies as needed may help loosen the interpersonal economy a bit.

   As Chair, I will cause The Agoran Credit Union to extend a loan, on
   request, to any party who has no outstanding loans, up to an amount of
   Bills equal to the net number of Shinies that player has deposited with the
   Credit Union. (This implies that the excess fraction of Bills is capped at
   10%.) Loans SHALL be repayable within three months, repayable early without
   penalty, and extendable up to an additional three months at the discretion of
   the Chair.


Balance: 239 sh.


Bills in circulation:

  2390 Bills  Player
   540 BillsATMunn
55 BillsAlexis
45 BillsAris
   490 BillsCorona
45 BillsCuddleBeam
45 BillsG.
40 BillsGaelan
40 BillsPublius Scribonius Scholasticus
40 BillsQuazie
   450 BillsTelnaior
40 BillsTrigon
   400 BillsV.J Rada
40 Billsnichdel
40 Billso
40 Billsomd
40 Bills天火狐


Outstanding loans: None


Recent Events (all times UTC):

Tue, 21 Nov 2017 10:03:08  The Agoran Credit Union founded
Tue, 21 Nov 2017 10:03:08  o appointed Chair
Tue, 21 Nov 2017 10:03:08  o deposited 64 sh.
Tue, 21 Nov 2017 10:03:08  o paid 40 bills each to ATMunn, Alexis, Aris, Corona,
CuddleBeam, G., Gaelan, Publius Scribonius
Scholasticus, Quazie, Telnaior, Trigon, V.J Rada,
nichdel, omd, and 天火狐
Tue, 21 Nov 2017 10:08:11  V.J Rada deposited 57 sh.
Tue, 21 Nov 2017 10:13:05  V.J Rada deposited 1 sh.
Tue, 21 Nov 2017 10:13:38  Telnaior deposited 45 sh.
Tue, 21 Nov 2017 14:26:25  ATMunn withdrew 4 sh.
Tue, 21 Nov 2017 23:46:59  V.J Rada withdrew 1 sh.
Wed, 22 Nov 2017 00:26:09  Telnaior transferred 30 Bills to ATMunn
Wed, 22 Nov 2017 00:26:09  Telnaior transferred 15 Bills to Alexis
Wed, 22 Nov 2017 00:26:09  Telnaior transferred 5 Bills to G.
Wed, 22 Nov 2017 00:26:09  Telnaior transferred 5 Bills to CuddleBeam
Wed, 22 Nov 2017 00:26:09  Telnaior transferred 50 Bills to Aris
Wed, 22 Nov 2017 00:36:03  ATMunn deposited 53 sh.
Wed, 22 Nov 2017 00:49:31  V.J Rada withdrew 20 sh.
Wed, 22 Nov 2017 01:36:37  V.J Rada withdrew 1 sh.
Wed, 22 Nov 2017 02:54:35  Telnaior deposited 2 sh.
Wed, 22 Nov 2017 02:55:37  ATMunn deposited 2 sh.
Wed, 22 Nov 2017 02:56:22  V.J Rada deposited 2 sh.
Wed, 22 Nov 2017 02:59:30  V.J Rada deposited 1 sh.
Wed, 22 Nov 2017 16:21:41  Corona deposited 45 sh.
Wed, 22 Nov 2017 23:50:31  V.J Rada withdrew 1 sh.
Fri, 24 Nov 2017 15:58:52  ATMunn withdrew 1 sh.
Sun, 26 Nov 2017 23:20:31  V.J Rada withdrew 2 sh.
Sun, 26 Nov 2017 23:58:06  Corona withdrew 49 sh.
Sun, 26 Nov 2017 23:58:06  Corona deposited 49 sh.
Tue, 28 Nov 2017 01:08:36  ATMunn withdrew 3 sh.




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Re: BUS: CFJ 3607 judged TRUE

[Owen Jacobson]

On Mon, Nov 27, 2017 at 11:20 AM, ATMunn  wrote:

> I judge CFJ 3607 TRUE.


On Nov 27, 2017, at 8:37 PM, Aris Merchant  
wrote:

> I intend, with 2 support, to file a motion to reconsider this
> judgement.

I support.

-o



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BUS: Notice of Honour

[Owen Jacobson]

This is a notice of honour.

* o loses one honour, for spending too long at the top of the list.
* CuddleBeam gains one honour, having been duly chastened.

-o

> On Nov 27, 2017, at 7:18 PM, VJ Rada  wrote:
> 
> I give Agora 3 shinies, then claim a 5-shiny reward for the above report.
> 
> On Tue, Nov 28, 2017 at 11:17 AM, VJ Rada  wrote:
>> I deputise for Herald to publish the following weekly report (unless
>> PSS is the Herald).
>> 
>> According to my search results there have been no notices of honour
>> since the last report. This is therefore the easiest report ever
>> filed.
>> 
>> 
>>   The Honour Roll
>>   [Herald's Weekly Report]
>> 
>> 
>>  KarmaEntity
>>   +4   o <-- SHOGUN
>>   +3   ATMunn
>>   +2   Trigon
>>   +2   Telnaior
>>   +1   天火狐
>>   +1   Nichdel
>>   +1   G.
>>   +1   Aris
>>   +1   Alexis
>>0   Publius Scribonius Scholasticus
>>   -1   V.J. Rada
>>   -1   omd
>>   -1   Bayushi
>>   -2   ProofTechnique
>>   -2   Murphy
>>   -2   Ienpw III
>>   -2   Gaelan
>>   -5   CuddleBeam<-- HONOURLESS WORM
>> 
>>   All other entities have 0 Karma.
>> 
>> 
>> NOTICES OF HONOUR (most recent on top)
>> --
>> G. (12 Nov 2017)
>> -1 天火狐 (for a low-effort newspaper report).
>> +1 omd (for quick response to Distributor directives).
>> 
>> ATMunn (6 Nov 2017)
>> -1 ATMunn (for forgetting to state quorum on Decision initiations).
>> +1 Publius Scribonius Scholasticus (for putting up with such mistakes).
>> 
>> G. (3 Nov 17)
>> -1 Murphy (for being a near-Zombie).
>> +1 Alexis (for putting the time into this thesis).
>> 
>> ATMunn (30 Oct 2017)
>> -1 omd (can't think of anyone else to lose karma and e is inactive).
>> +1 Trigon (for seeming to do really well so far at publishing rulesets).
>> 
>> Alexis (30 Oct 2017)
>> -1 Alexis (for introducing such a silly pedantic bug into the ruleset).
>> +1 ATMunn (for putting up with it).
>> 
>> Telnaior (30 Oct 2017)
>> -1 CuddleBeam (for attempting to game the karma system).
>> +1 Aris (for putting in a valiant effort as Promotor during busy period).
>> 
>> V.J. Rada (30 Oct 2017)
>> -1 Bayushi (for inactivity).
>> +1 Alexis (for having to judge my stupid cfjs).
>> 
>> Telnaior (29 Oct 2017)
>> -1 ProofTechnique (for not existing but having more karma than other
>> inactives).
>> +1 天火狐 (for creating a very cool contract).
>> 
>> o (27 Oct 17)
>> -1 CuddleBeam (for generally being contrarian)
>> +1 G. (for producing a magnificent judgement)
>> 
>> Alexis (25 Oct 17)
>> -1 CuddleBeam (for objecting to deregistration making karma-sinks)
>> +1 nichdel (for jumping right back in)
>> 
>> PSS (25 Oct 17)
>> -1 CuddleBeam (for confusing nichdel and being a contrarian)
>> +1 天火狐 (for being a fun player and pushing boundaries with language)
>> 
>> Nichdel (25 Oct 17)
>> -1 PSS (for being a contrarian)
>> +1 o (for being the best at what e does)
>> 
>> Trigon (25 Oct 17)
>> -1 Ienpw III (for being inactive)
>> +1 ATMunn (for being a fantastic active new player)
>> 
>> ATMunn (25 Oct 17)
>> -1 Ienpw III (for being inactive)
>> +1 o (for being honest, hardworking and generally awesome player)
>> 
>> Aris (25 Oct 17)
>> -1 ProofTechnique (for being inactive)
>> +1 Trigon (for being a new active player)
>> 
>> V.J. Rada (25 Oct 17)
>> -1 omd (for being inactive)
>> +1 Telnaior (cool that V.J. Rada brought em back and being clever)
>> 
>> G. (24 Oct 17)
>> -1 V.J. Rada (making a deputization mess)
>> +1 o (for being the one to clean up messes)
>> 
>> Telnaior (22 Oct 17)
>> -1 Gaelan (for slack Rulekeeping)
>> +1 Alexis (for being helpful)
>> 
>> Alexis (22 Oct 17)
>> -1 CuddleBeam (for blocking deregistrations of inactives)
>> +1 Telnaior (for coming back with vigour)
>> 
>> V.J. Rada (22 Oct 17)
>> -1 Murphy (being inactive)
>> +1 ATMunn (for being a good player, and proposals)
>> 
>> G. (22 Oct 2017)
>> -1 V.J. Rada (random choice), +1 ATMunn (good first proposal).
>> 
>> ===
>> 
>> --
>> From V.J. Rada
> 
> 
> 
> --
>> From V.J. Rada



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Re: BUS: Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [Promotor] Distribution of Proposals 7982-7988

[Owen Jacobson]

I change my vote to AGAINST on proposal 7988.

I pay Ørjan 5 Bills for spotting a significant error.

-o

> On Nov 26, 2017, at 9:27 PM, Publius Scribonius Scholasticus 
>  wrote:
> 
> As do I.
> 
> Publius Scribonius Scholasticus
> p.scribonius.scholasti...@gmail.com
> 
> 
> 
>> On Nov 26, 2017, at 9:26 PM, VJ Rada  wrote:
>> 
>> I change my vote to AGAINST on minimal econ reforms.
>> 
>> On Mon, Nov 27, 2017 at 1:25 PM, Ørjan Johansen  wrote:
>>> On Sun, 26 Nov 2017, Aris Merchant wrote:
>>> 
 //
 ID: 7982
 Title: Referee Reform Fix
 Adoption index: 1.7
 Author: V.J. Rada
 Co-authors:
 
 
 At the end of rule 2478 "Viglilante Justice", add a new
 paragraph with the text "The Referee CANNOT Point eir Finger. The
 Arbitor CANNOT Point eir Finger at the Referee".
>>> 
>>> 
>>> The title of the rule is misspelled, and also the text misses a period.
>>> 
 //
 ID: 7988
 Title: Minimal Econ reforms
 Adoption index: 2.0
 Author: G.
 Co-authors:
>>> 
>>> 
 Amend Rule 991 (Calls for Judgement) by replacing:
 a) by announcement, and spending 1 Action Point, OR
 
 b) by announcement, and spending the current CFJ cost in shinies,
   OR
 
 c) by announcement if e is not a player.
 with:
 a) by announcement, and spending the current CFJ cost in shinies,
   OR
 
 b) Without 2 Objections.  Players SHOULD object unless paying
   with shinies is a significant barrier to the Caller's
   ability to seek a resolution to the controversy.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> I might not be calling a lot of CFJs if this passes, then.
>>> 
>>> Greetings,
>>> Ørjan.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> --
>> From V.J. Rada
> 



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Re: BUS: Bid

[Owen Jacobson]

I AP-CFJ on the statement:

In the message quoted in full below, Corona performed exactly and only the 
following actions:

* Withdrew all eir Shinies from the ACU.
* Advised all politicians e had the most influence with.
* Deposited all eir Shinies with the ACU.

Caller’s evidence:

Exhibit 1 consists of Corona’s message, quoted below.

Exhibit 2: CFJ 1215 (https://faculty.washington.edu/kerim/nomic/cases/?1215):

> I note that Caller's analogy to the stockbroker also supports this
> interpretation--while "if and only if we have not already bought shares
> of this stock in the last day or two, we want to buy X number of shares"
> would be accepted by the stockbroker, this is only because the
> stockbroker is generally responsible for knowing whether or not the
> trader has bought shares recently.  A statement such as "if and only
> if t is standing, we want to buy X number of shares" would be
> rejected by the stockbroker.

It is no officer’s responsibility to know all of the parts of the game state 
needed to resolve apparently-conditional actions such as

> --Else, if eir Party is PLA, I spend a number of Shinies equal to the
> minimum Favor I'd need to Advise em on gaining Favor with PLA, then I
> pay the minimum Favor I'd need to advise em to Influence em.

and the information is not readily discoverable without effort equivalent to 
compiling those officers’ reports.

-o

> On Nov 26, 2017, at 6:58 PM, Corona  wrote:
> 
> The following 5 paragraphs apply to all actions taken in this message,
> other text to the contrary notwithstanding:
> 
> All "if" words used in this message mean "if and only if".
> 
> Whenever I mention a Post in the context of gaining Influence with it,
> advising it or other actions that may be performed only on Politicians
> (and not Posts), I mean the Politician who holds that Post instead.
> 
> Similarly, if I mention an Echelon in that context, I mean all
> Politicians in that Echelon.
> 
> Whenever I gain Influence with a Politician, I attempt to advise em
> immediately afterwards.
> 
> If I am already Advising a Politician, I shall not spend any favors to
> gain Influence with em.
> 
> -
> 
> I destroy all Bills in my possession, so that ACU transfers me the
> appropriate amount of shinies.
> 
> 
> For each Politician, the maximum Favor I'm willing to pay to Influence
> em is defined as follows:
> 
> -Upper Echelon Politicians & Host: 15 Favors each
> 
> -Loner, Drunk, Mystery, Wild One, Hat Rack:  If I am advising the
> Enforcer, 18 Favors each. Else, 12 Favors each.
> 
> -Schmoozer, Decorator: 6 Favors each
> 
> -Row-reduced Echelon: 1 Favor each
> 
> Also, for each Politician, the minimum Favor I'd need to Advise em is
> defined as the lowest number of Favors that I can pay to gain
> Influence with that Politician such that I can Advise the Politician
> successfully afterwards.
> 
> Then, for each Politician, in this order:
> 
> Mad Cap'n Tom, Xi Kingpin, Mad "Max" Robespierre, Joseph "Stealin'"
> McCarthy, Politician McPoliticianface, Pinocchio, Aristotle, Mickey
> Joker, Malcolm Turncoat, Nick P. Ronald, John Johnson, The Drunk
> Clinton, Nikolai Shootemdedsky, Bob, Natasha Nogoodnik, Weird Al, Rob
> Boss, Cookie Monster, Screaming Lord Sutch, Boris Eatstumuch
> 
> I perform the following:
> 
> -If the minimum Favor I'd need to Advise that Politician is higher
> than the maximum Favor I'm willing to pay to Influence em, I do
> nothing.
> 
> -Else:
> 
> --If I have have enough Favor with eir Party to pay the minimum Favor
> I'd need to Advise em, I pay the minimum Favor I'd need to advise em
> to Influence em.
> 
> --Else, if eir Party is PLA, I spend a number of Shinies equal to the
> minimum Favor I'd need to Advise em on gaining Favor with PLA, then I
> pay the minimum Favor I'd need to advise em to Influence em.
> 
> --Else, multiply the minimum Favor I'd need to Advise that Politician
> by 3; if it is still lower than the maximum Favor I'm willing to pay
> to Influence em, spend a number of NPR equal to triple the minimum
> Favor I'd need to Advise em on gaining Favor with eir Party, then I
> pay the minimum Favor I'd need to advise em to Influence em.
> 
> 
> -
> 
> For good measure: I Advise all politicians with whom I have more
> Influence than all other players.
> 
> I transfer all my Shinies to ACU, causing 10 times as many Bills to be
> created in my possession



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BUS: Re: OFF: [Promotor] Distribution of Proposals 7982-7988

[Owen Jacobson]

I vote as follows:

> ID Author(s)  AITitlePender  Pend fee
> ---
> 7982*  V.J. Rada  1.7   Referee Reform Fix   V.J. Rada   1 sh.

FOR.

> 7983*  Telnaior, [1]  1.0   SBOTGT [2]   Telnaior1 AP

PRESENT.

> 7984*  Aris, [3]  2.6   Contract Flexibility Act Aris1 AP

AGAINST if proposal 7985 would pass, otherwise PRESENT.

> 7985*  Alexis 2.6   Open Season on Contracts Alexis  1 AP

AGAINST if proposal 7984 would pass, otherwise PRESENT.

> 7986*  P.S.S [4]  3.0   Quick FixP.S.S. [4]  1 AP

FOR.

> 7987*  ATMunn, [5]1.0   AOC [6]  Aris1 AP

PRESENT.

> 7988*  G. 2.0   Minimal Econ reforms G.  1 AP

FOR.

-o



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BUS: Re: OFF: [ADoP] Herald Election Decision Initiation (for real this time, hopefully...)

[Owen Jacobson]

> On Nov 24, 2017, at 8:52 PM, ATMunn  wrote:
> 
> right.
> 
> CoE: The campaign proposal decision has to be in the same message as the
> main decision.
> 
> I accept my CoE hereby initiate the Agoran Decision to select the winner
> of the Herald election.
> 
> For this decision, the vote collector is the Assessor, the valid options
> are the candidates (PRESENT is always a valid vote, as are
> conditionals), and the voting method is instant runoff.
> 
> Currently, the candidates are Corona and PSS. As the election is
> contested, any player still may become a candidate until the poll ends.

In case that didn’t take: I retract any previous vote I placed on the decision 
to select a Herald, and vote {Corona, PSS}.

> 
> Title: "History by Force"
> Author: PSS
> Co-author(s):
> AI: 1
> ID: 7973
> Enact a new Rule "Miscellaneous Herald Duties", with the following text:
> {
>The Herald SHALL in eir weekly report include an interesting Agoran
>fact and SHALL in eir monthly report include a short essay of any
>authorship, regarding an aspect of Agoran history. Any player
>publishing a thesis for a degree, related to Agoran history SHOULD
>offer a summary for publication in the Herald's monthly report.
> 
>The Herald SHALL in eir monthly report publish, with reasonable
>effort, a summary of all theses written for the purpose of
>receiving degrees, regardless of whether a degree was awarded.
>The Herald SHOULD attempt to make theses available for reading.
> }
> 

I vote AGAINST this proposal. Creating a duty to publish an essay without 
creating a duty for any other player to write one effectively imposes that duty 
on the Herald directly.

-o



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BUS: Re: OFF: [ADoP] Herald Election Decision Initiation

[Owen Jacobson]

> On Nov 24, 2017, at 8:30 PM, ATMunn  wrote:
> 
> I accept my CoE.
> 
> I hereby initiate the Agoran Decision to select the winner of the
> *Herald* election.
> 
> For this decision, the vote collector is the Assessor, the valid options
> are the candidates (PRESENT is always a valid vote, as are
> conditionals), and the voting method is instant runoff.
> 
> Currently, the candidates are Corona and PSS. As the election is
> contested, any player still may become a candidate until the poll ends.

On this decision, I vote for Corona, then PSS.

-o



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Re: BUS: Resignation, favours, and pledge

[Owen Jacobson]

> On Nov 22, 2017, at 6:50 PM, VJ Rada  wrote:
> 
> I pay one shiny to create the following contract (destroying 10 bills
> and trading w/ ACU)
> TITLE: WHATEVER
> TEXT: THIS CONTRACT HOLDS RADA's Assets
> 
> i transfer 3,000 justice favours to this contract

If this contract still exists, I intend, with Agoran Consent, to destroy it. It 
has served its purpose, and in any case, appears not to function.

-o



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Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Notary] Weekly Report

[Owen Jacobson]

> On Nov 21, 2017, at 1:29 AM, Owen Jacobson <o...@grimoire.ca> wrote:
> 
> 
>> On Nov 21, 2017, at 1:26 AM, VJ Rada <vijar...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> This is my 48 hours notice. I intend to remove all parts of isnack2.0
>> except the third paragaph, then add the text "this contract has no
>> effect".
>> 
>> (o, you should destroy isnack2.0. only the notary can do so w/ agoran
>> consent i believe, although anyone can w/out objection)
> 
> I intend, with Agoran Consent, to destroy the contract isnack 2.0.

I do so, supported by Aris, Corona, and ATMunn.

-o



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Re: BUS: Resignation, favours, and pledge

[Owen Jacobson]

> On Nov 22, 2017, at 10:47 AM, ATMunn  wrote:
> 
> I, as ADoP, initiate an election for Referee, as the office is now interim.
> 
> On 11/22/2017 12:49 AM, VJ Rada wrote:
>> I award myself 3,000 justice favours for successfully pointing 3,000
>> fingers. I resign as referee. I intend to call in the pledge, with
>> agoran consent, that states "I pledge to not point fingers" (or
>> similar)

I stand for election. I may have a campaign proposal later on.

-o



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BUS: [Treasuror] Distribution

[Owen Jacobson]

I cause Agora to distribute the following payments:

Tue, 21 Nov 2017 11:03:12 ? P.S.S[1] paid Agora 1 sh. to create a stamp
Tue, 21 Nov 2017 14:26:25 ? ATMunn paid Agora 1 sh. to create a stamp
Tue, 21 Nov 2017 14:26:25 ? ATMunn paid Agora 4 sh.
Tue, 21 Nov 2017 23:46:59 ? V.J Rada paid Agora 1 sh.
Wed, 22 Nov 2017 01:36:37 ? V.J Rada paid Agora 1 sh.

In total, 6 sh. must be distributed. I cause Agora to pay as follows:

* 1 sh. to ATMunn (0 -> 1)
* 1 sh. to Telnaior (0 -> 1)
* 1 sh. to V.J Rada (1 -> 2)
* 1 sh. to ATMunn (1 -> 2)
* 1 sh. to Telnaior (1 -> 2)
* 1 sh. to V.J Rada (2 -> 3)

In total, Agora paid as follows:

* 2 sh. to ATMunn
* 2 sh. to Telnaior
* 2 sh. to V.J Rada

-o

P.S. I’ve intentionally omitted V.J Rada’s 20 sh. payment to avoid creating any 
dependencies on it. If nobody replies to my question on a-d in a few days, I’ll 
distribute it at the end of the week.


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Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Treasuror] Weekly Report

[Owen Jacobson]

On Nov 21, 2017, at 9:25 AM, ATMunn  wrote:

> CoE: Right before you published this revision, VJ Rada claimed a reward of 5 
> shinies for eir recent report, bringing the Floating value down to 0.

The Floating Value doesn’t change on its own. I deny this claim of error.

>  The Treasuror CAN flip the floating value once a week by
>  announcement. As part of eir weekly duties, e SHALL flip the
>  Floating Value to the number of Shinies owned by Agora; e SHALL
>  NOT ever set it to a different value. E SHOULD do this while
>  publishing eir weekly report.

I did this while publishing the initial report, correctly at that moment.

-o



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Re: BUS: [Agoran Credit Union]

[Owen Jacobson]

> On Nov 21, 2017, at 5:10 AM, Owen Jacobson <o...@grimoire.ca> wrote:
> 
> 
>> On Nov 21, 2017, at 5:03 AM, Owen Jacobson <o...@grimoire.ca> wrote:
>> 
>> I need a sanity check, but I think all of these actions work.
>> 
>> I pay Agora 1 sh. to create a contract titled “The Agoran Credit Union”, 
>> with the text:
> 
> I duly distribute this payment, and cause Agora to pay Telnaior 1 sh.

This was impossible, and therefore didn’t happen.

I duly distribute the above payment, and cause Agora to pay _V.J Rada_ 1 sh. as 
e registered earliest of the players with 0 shinies.

-o



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Re: BUS: [Agoran Credit Union]

[Owen Jacobson]

> On Nov 21, 2017, at 5:03 AM, Owen Jacobson <o...@grimoire.ca> wrote:
> 
> I need a sanity check, but I think all of these actions work.
> 
> I pay Agora 1 sh. to create a contract titled “The Agoran Credit Union”, with 
> the text:

I duly distribute this payment, and cause Agora to pay Telnaior 1 sh.

-o



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BUS: [Agoran Credit Union]

[Owen Jacobson]

I need a sanity check, but I think all of these actions work.

I pay Agora 1 sh. to create a contract titled “The Agoran Credit Union”, with 
the text:

{
Any player CAN become a party to this contract by announcement. Any party
other than the Chair CAN cease to be a party (syn. leave the Institute) by
announcement.

If o is a party to this contract, e is the Chair. Any party CAN amend the
contract by announcement to remove this paragraph.

The Chair CAN nominate any party as the new Chair by announcement. A party
to this contract CAN nominate any party to this contract as the new Chair
with 2 support from parties to this contract, other than the nominee. In
either case, the most-recently nominated party CAN become the Chair by
announcement. A player who ceases to be a party to this contract loses eir
nomination.

The Chair CAN, at any time, amend or destroy this contract without 2
objections from parties to this contract.

This contract is willing to accept Shinies.

Bills are a private, liquid, indestructibe currency. The Chair is the
Recordkeepor of Bills. The Chair CAN cause Agora to transfer Bills it owns
to this contract by announcement, and SHALL do so in a timely fashion when
Agora owns any Bills.

This contract is willing to accept Bills.

Any party to this contract CAN pay this contract any number of Shinies to
create ten times that number of Bills in eir possession.

Any party to this contract CAN cause this contract to pay emself any number
of Shinies by destroying ten times that number of Bills in eir possession.

The Chair CAN, by announcement, create and destroy Bills in this contract's
possession. The Chair MUST NOT create Bills in this manner if doing so
would cause more than a number of Bills equal to fifteen times the number
of Shinies owned by this contract to exist, and MUST, in a timely fashion,
destroy Bills owned by this contract if more than that number of Bills 
exist.

The Chair CAN, by announcement, cause this contract to transfer Bills it
owns to any party. The Chair SHALL NOT use this ability other than to
extend loans to this contract's parties.

The Chair SHALL, in a timely fashion after they become the Chair, publish a
fiscal policy document describing how they will manage the supply of Bills.
}

If I am not already a party to this contract, I become one, and am immediately 
appointed Chair.

I amend the contract to remove the paragraph

{
If o is a party to this contract, e is the Chair. Any party CAN amend the
contract by announcement to remove this paragraph.
}

As Chair of The Agoran Credit Union, I publish the following policy document:

{
Bills are meant to be a gently inflationary medium of exchange, and a
carrot to use to get people to take Shinies out of circulation and put them
in the bank. With the members' consent, I hope to define systems for the
bank to invest and recoup those Shinies, but even if that fails, dividing
every Shiny into ten Bills while providing a reliable way to convert them
back into Shinies as needed may help loosen the interpersonal economy a bit.

As Chair, I will cause The Agoran Credit Union to extend a loan, on
request, to any party who has no outstanding loans, up to an amount of
Bills equal to the net number of Shinies that player has deposited with the
Credit Union. (This implies that the excess fraction of Bills is capped at
10%.) Loans SHALL be repayable within three months, repayable early without
penalty, and extendable up to an additional three months at the discretion 
of
the Chair.
}

I pay The Agoran Credit Union 64 Shinies to create 640 Bills in my possession.

I pay each player other than myself 40 Bills. Please enjoy this token gift of 4 
sh. worth of a more granular currency.

-o



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Re: BUS: Re: DIS: base currency discussion

[Owen Jacobson]

> On Nov 21, 2017, at 4:14 AM, Telnaior <j...@iinet.net.au> wrote:
> 
> On 2017-11-21 19:57, Owen Jacobson wrote:
>> 
>> Incidentally, I think the distribution rules, fiddly though they are, are 
>> actually working as intended, but I want to get other players’ perspective 
>> on them. The same handful of players have repeatedly benefitted from them 
>> without spending any Shinies, but we’ve reached a level where there are now 
>> a significant number of players with “the fewest” shinies, instead of only 
>> two.
>> 
>> -o
>> 
> Worth noting this only lasts as long as people don't try to game the system, 
> which has already been threatened with one of the new systems.
> 
> In related news, I transfer a shiny to Agora to create the contract "Telnaior 
> Asset Holding Contract (TAHC)":
> {
> Telnaior CAN amend, repeal, or retitle this contract by announcement. This 
> contract accepts all assets. Telnaior can cause this contract to transfer any 
> asset in its possession by announcement.
> }
> 
> I transfer all of my shinies to TAHC.
> 
> (VJ Rada's scam attempt irritated me, sorry)

I duly cause Agora to distribute the following payments:

Tue, 21 Nov 2017 09:14:17 ? Telnaior paid Agora 1 sh.

In total, 1 shiny must be distributed. I cause Agora to pay as follows:

* 1 sh. to Telnaior (0 -> 1 sh.)

Enjoy your free contract! I’m not sure whether this contract has fulfilled its 
purpose, so I’ll refrain from destroying it, but I will note that any player 
can destroy it with two consent, for any reason, excepting that “Players SHOULD 
NOT use the methods in this paragraph to further their private interests."

This contract will not be exempt from sustenance payments, but I doubt they’ll 
tick fast enough to matter for your purposes.

-o



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BUS: One last distribution

[Owen Jacobson]

If it exists, I cause Agora to distribute the following payment, which V.J Rada 
may have made:

Tue, 14 Nov 2017 07:34:51 ?*V.J Rada paid Agora 1 sh.

In total, 1 shiny must be distributed. However, as Agora has zero shinies, no 
payments are made.

-o



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BUS: [Treasuror] Distribution

[Owen Jacobson]

I pay Agora 60 Shinies.

As Treasuror, I cause Agora to distribute the following outstanding payments:

Fri, 17 Nov 2017 01:52:11 ? P.S.S.[1] paid Agora 59 sh.
Tue, 21 Nov 2017 06:30:24 ? V.J Rada created a stamp for 1 sh.

plus the above payment of 60 shinies.

In total, 60 shinies must be distributed. I cause Agora to pay as follows:

* 1 sh. to nichdel (24 -> 25)
* 9 sh. to Gaelan (25 -> 34)
* 9 sh. to nichdel (25 -> 34)
* 9 sh. to Gaelan (34 -> 43)
* 9 sh. to nichdel (34 -> 43)
* 9 sh. to Trigon (34 -> 43)
* 2 sh. to Gaelan (43 -> 45)
* 2 sh. to nichdel (43 -> 45)
* 2 sh. to Trigon (43 -> 45)
* 2 sh. to Telnaior (43 -> 45)
* 2 sh. to Gaelan (45 -> 47)
* 1 sh. to nichdel (45 -> 46)
* 1 sh. to Trigon (45 -> 46)
* 1 sh. to Telnaior (45 -> 46)
* 1 sh. to Corona (45 -> 46)

In total, Agora paid

* 22 sh. to nichdel
* 22 sh. to Gaelan
* 12 sh. to Trigon
* 3 sh. to Telnaior
* 1 sh. to Corona

-o



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Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Notary] Weekly Report

[Owen Jacobson]

> On Nov 21, 2017, at 1:26 AM, VJ Rada  wrote:
> 
> This is my 48 hours notice. I intend to remove all parts of isnack2.0
> except the third paragaph, then add the text "this contract has no
> effect".
> 
> (o, you should destroy isnack2.0. only the notary can do so w/ agoran
> consent i believe, although anyone can w/out objection)

I intend, with Agoran Consent, to destroy the contract isnack 2.0.

-o



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BUS: Re: OFF: [Referee] Weekly Report

[Owen Jacobson]

CoE on the Referee’s weekly report: the below is not a pledge Cuddlebeam ever 
made.

> On Nov 20, 2017, at 7:43 PM, VJ Rada  wrote:
> 
> Cuddlebeam -
> I pledge to hook people up in a reasonable amount of time, according
> ​ ​
> to the message above, during what's left of the
> c
> ​​
> urrent month and
> ​ ​
> November.

A few similar formatting errors occur elsewhere.

-o



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BUS: Notice of karma

[Owen Jacobson]

This is a Notice of Karma.

- V.J Rada gains 1 karma for owning up to a scam attempt.
- V.J Rada loses 1 karma for trying to break the voting rules.

-o



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Re: BUS: Attempt to call in a pledge

[Owen Jacobson]

> On Nov 19, 2017, at 7:00 PM, VJ Rada  wrote:
> 
> I made a pledge to publish a weekly report detailing pledges that should be
> retracted. Ironically, I didn't this week. I therefore intend to call in
> that pledge w/ agoran consent.

This time correctly:

I support, as you did not publish the promised report.

-o



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Re: BUS: Red Card to V.J. Rada

[Owen Jacobson]

> On Nov 19, 2017, at 5:13 PM, Aris Merchant 
>  wrote:
> 
> On Sun, Nov 19, 2017 at 2:11 PM, VJ Rada  wrote:
>> I issue myself a Red Card by Summary Judgement. This is for the offense of
>> failing to pay for an Estate (Erehwon). This time period to pay actually
>> expired just 4 days ago, so this is _well_ within the statute of
>> limitations (and thus, my pledge was not necessary). Failing to pay for an
>> Estate is usually the type of significant offense that merits a yellow
>> card, but there are aggravating factors. That is, the failure to pay
>> involved bribing an officer, and the failure to pay was part of a
>> deliberate scam. Therefore, this is a serious offence meriting a Red Card.
> 
> I intend, with 2 support, to Throw the Book at V.J. Rada.

Perils of reading a-b in oldest-first order. I withdraw my support for the 
intention to call in V.J Rada’s pledge (e should withdraw it, however). I 
support the above intent to Throw the Book at V.J Rada, and do so, supported by 
Aris and ATMunn.

-o



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Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Fingers

[Owen Jacobson]

On Nov 19, 2017, at 5:05 PM, Aris Merchant  
wrote:

> I intend, with Agoran Consent, to call in V.J Rada's pledge below. CFJ
> 3597 determined that e failed to pay for the estate validly. I
> additionally request an appropriately strong sentence, as the
> violation here was part of a deliberate scam, rather than being say an
> accidental late report.

After consideration, I support. The pledge is clearly a voluntary attempt to 
uphold rule of law and to accept consequences for the scam in question, and in 
any case, e did not in fact pay for the Estate e pledged to have paid for.

-o



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BUS: Re: OFF: [Promotor] Distribution of Proposals 7973-7880

[Owen Jacobson]

I vote as follows:

> ID Author(s)AI   TitlePender  Pend fee
> ---
> 7973*  Aris 1.0  Sky Pillars  ArisOP [1]

AGAINST. A permanent monument to every departed player is a cute idea, but 
probably impractical.

Besides, it should be the Herald, not the Registrar.

> 7974*  V.J. Rada3.0 [2]  Really minor fixes   V.J. Rada   1 AP

AGAINST. By my read, this would change the restriction

 6. The voter has no other valid ballots on the same decision.

to

 6. The voter has no other invalid ballots on the same decision.

which is obvious nonsense.

The portion amending Agoran Satisfaction should also be a bit more thorough; 
that list of clauses is a mess.

Sorry for the late review. I had initially thought this proposal was much less 
substantial than it actually is. There are a number of worthwhile and important 
fixes in it; I’ll likely resubmit it as several separate proposals to help get 
the changes to the less-risky rules through.

> 7975*  ATMunn, [3]  2.0  Auctions v6  ATMunn  1 AP

FOR.

> 7976*  Alexis, [4]  1.7  A Mostest Ingenious Paradox  Alexis  2 sh.

PRESENT.

> 7977*  ATMunn   3.0  Silver Ribbons   ATMunn  1 AP

FOR, why not.

> 7978*  G.   3.0  Gotta allow a win sometime   Corona  1 AP

FOR. Pegging the already-high difficulty of a ribbon win is a reasonable idea.

> 7979*  G.   1.0  Plain Old BriberyG.  1 AP

FOR, to the surprise of absolutely nobody.

> 7980*  ATMunn, [5]  1.0  [6]  Alexis  1 AP

FOR.

-o



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Re: BUS: Attempt to call in a pledge

[Owen Jacobson]

> On Nov 19, 2017, at 7:00 PM, VJ Rada  wrote:
> 
> I made a pledge to publish a weekly report detailing pledges that should be
> retracted. Ironically, I didn't this week. I therefore intend to call in
> that pledge w/ agoran consent.

I support.

-o



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Re: BUS: CFJ 3597 judged FALSE

[Owen Jacobson]

> Because V.J. Rada did not pay 1011 shinies as a single action, eir purchase
> failed, and this CFJ is FALSE. E retains all of eir shinies, because they did
> not in the end accomplish their clearly stated goal.

I intend, with two support, to file a motion to reconsider.

I agree with the overarching logic of this decision, and expect that the 
reconsidered judgement on the statement in question should stand, but I’m 
concerned that this may set the precedent that an action intended to lead to a 
future consequence can be un-done, retroactively, if the consequence fails.

 As I understand the rules, a player CAN pay any entity any amount of a movable 
asset that entity can receive, at any time. It’s not clear that “towards the 
purchase of the Estate of Erehwon” is sufficiently similar to the conditional 
“if doing so will allow V.J Rada to purchase the Estate of Erehwon,” and to pay 
towards something is not a regulated action, so likely should not be held to 
the same standards a rule 2417 conditional action.

If the intended interpretation is that the action “V.J Rada pays Agora 1 sh. 
towards the purchase of the Estate of Erehwon" failed on its face as it could 
not lead to the intended outcome, I would prefer that that were spelled out 
more clearly.

I appreciate Aris’ excellent work compiling this judgement, and eir 
admonishment to maintain impartiality in office is well-taken. Hopefully the 
revised Auction rules ATMunn and I have been working on will do for an apology, 
in lieu of a card.

-o



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BUS: Fingers

[Owen Jacobson]

If the payment occurred, I point the finger at the Treasuror for failing to 
distribute CuddleBeam’s 10 sh. payment to Agora in a timely fashion.

(I believe that resolving this might have to wait until the associated CFJ 3595 
is judged, but conditionally issuing a card on the same condition should work.)

-o



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Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [Treasuror] Interim Balance Update

[Owen Jacobson]

> On Nov 17, 2017, at 7:14 PM, Madeline  wrote:
> 
> Please tell me you meant the Supply Level rather than the Floating Value…

I did. My mistake.

-o



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BUS: [Treasuror] Interim Balance Update

[Owen Jacobson]

As we’ve just had some more registration changes, and thus registration-driven 
changes to the Floating Level, the following non-report is an interim update on 
all balances.

   4 Shinies  Agora
   8 Shinies  Contract
   5 ShiniesOrder of the Occult Hand
   3 Shinies狐票店
   1,108 Shinies  Player
  45 Shinies10something
  52 ShiniesATMunn
 130 ShiniesAlexis
  88 ShiniesAris
  55 ShiniesCuddleBeam
  59 ShiniesG.
  25 ShiniesGaelan
 199 ShiniesPublius Scribonius Scholasticus
  50 ShiniesQuazie
  43 ShiniesTelnaior
  34 ShiniesTrigon
  53 ShiniesV.J Rada
  24 Shiniesnichdel
 132 Shinieso
  50 Shiniesomd
  69 Shinies天火狐

At this time, the Floating Value is 1,120, and exactly 1,120 Shinies are in 
circulation.

-o



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BUS: CFJ 3592 found TRUE.

[Owen Jacobson]

> On Nov 12, 2017, at 5:02 PM, Kerim Aydin  wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Sun, 5 Nov 2017, VJ Rada wrote:
>> I AP CFJ the following: The below document claiming to be the Registrar's
>> Weekly Report was not a report.
> 
> This is CFJ 3592.  I assign it to o.
> 
> 
> Arguments:
>> The Registrar is required to track Emotion switches (2514).. E didn’t.

Affirmed. Under the rules in effect at the time, rule 2514 (“Emotions”) reads, 
in part:

> Emotion is a player switch, tracked by the registrar, with possible values 
> Joyous, Melancholy, and Indifferent, that defaults to Indifferent.


The report in question contains no such summary, either explicitly or in 
satisfaction of rule 2379 (“No News Is Some News”):

> If the rules define a report as including a list, then while that list is 
> empty, that report includes the fact that it is empty.

Rule 2162 (“Switches”) sets the following requirement:

> Optionally, exactly one office whose holder tracks instances of that switch. 
> That officer's (weekly, if not specified otherwise) report includes the value 
> of each instance of that switch whose value is not its default value; a 
> public document purporting to be this portion of that officer's report is 
> self-ratifying, and implies that other instances are at their default


Note the use of “that officer’s weekly report”, in the definite: this is a 
usage that’s consistent throughout the rules, and consistent with modern Agoran 
convention. Rule 2139 (“The Registrar”) also identifies a single weekly report:

> The Registrar's weekly report includes:
> 
> 1. A list of all players, including information sufficient to identify and 
> contact each player.
> 
> 2. The date on which each player most recently became a player.
> 
> 3. For each forum with non-Foreign publicity, sufficient instructions for 
> players to receive messages there.

As the document Publius Scribonius Scholasticus published was missing 
information is definitionally required to contain, it was not a report, and the 
statement "The below document claiming to be the Registrar's Weekly Report was 
not a report” is TRUE.

-o


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Re: BUS: Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [Assessor] Resolution of Proposals 7948-7953

[Owen Jacobson]

> On Nov 16, 2017, at 6:05 PM, Alexis Hunt  wrote:
> 
> On Sun, 12 Nov 2017 at 20:33 Aris Merchant <
> thoughtsoflifeandligh...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
>> I withdraw my support in light of zombies passing. I'll wait to object
>> to see if anyone finds any more problems with the resolution.
>> 
>> -Aris
>> 
> 
> I deregister Ienpw III, Bayushi, and ProofTechnique, with 3 Agoran Consent,
> resolving Telnaior's intent to do so. G., ATMunn, V.J Rada, and I
> supported. Only V.J. Rada objected.
> 
> -Alexis

I’m accounting for this as follows:

2017-11-16 * Ienpw III, Bayushi, ProofTechnique deregistered
Player:bayushi-50 Shinies = 0 Shinies
Player:Ienpw III  -50 Shinies = 0 Shinies
Player:ProofTechnique -24 Shinies = 0 Shinies
Agora

2017-11-16 * Relevelling
Agora-164 Shinies = 0 Shinies
Relevelling:2017-11-16 (Deregistration)

This leaves Agora with a balance of 0 sh., and 46 extra shinies sloshing around 
the system.

-o



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Re: BUS: [Proposal] Auctions v5

[Owen Jacobson]

> On Nov 16, 2017, at 9:54 AM, ATMunn  wrote:
> 
> I was planning on making a few more changes to this before it was entirely 
> proposed. I'm sorry I didn't do it sooner. The main change I made was 
> allowing Auctions to be conducted in any currency, not just shinies (as it 
> seems we may have some proposals coming up here that will add more currencies)
> 
> Here is v6. You can either withdraw v5 and change the author to yourself and 
> submit v6, or I can submit it.

I withdraw the proposal “Auctions v5”.

Informally: I endorse Auctions v6.

-o



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Re: BUS: Joining the fun

[Owen Jacobson]

On Nov 16, 2017, at 7:40 AM, Alexis Hunt  wrote:

> I destroy my stamp for 59 shinies.


On Nov 16, 2017, at 10:00 AM, ATMunn  wrote:

> I also destroy my stamp, causing Agora to pay me 59 sh.

On Nov 16, 2017, at 3:08 PM, Kerim Aydin  wrote:

> I destroy one stamp I own, which I made, to cause Agora to pay me 59 sh.
> 
> In the old days, we imposed a 24 hour waiting period when an officer could
> instantly capitalize on a change made by eir report.  We should bring that
> back.  (when I held a job like this that didn't have an official waiting
> period, I pledged to do same).

On Nov 16, 2017, at 3:32 PM, Publius Scribonius Scholasticus 
 wrote:

> As do I, if possible.

None of these succeeded, as Agora only had 40 sh. by the time Alexis tried it. 
However, I think G. has a good point. With that in mind:

* I pay Alexis 29 sh.
* I pay ATmunn 29 sh.
* I pay G. 29 sh.
* I pay Publius Scribonius Scholasticus 29 sh.

-o



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BUS: Distribution

[Owen Jacobson]

I cause Agora to distribute the following payments:

Thu,  9 Nov 2017 07:46:55 ? V.J Rada paid Agora 1 sh.
Sun, 12 Nov 2017 23:37:19 ? Aris created a stamp for 6 sh.
Mon, 13 Nov 2017 03:12:56 ? 天火狐 paid Agora 1 sh.

In total, 5 sh. must be distributed. I cause Agora to pay as follows:

* 1 sh. to ProofTechnique (wins for fewest shinies with 22 sh.)
* 1 sh. to Gaelan (tied for fewest shinies with 23 sh.)
* 1 sh. to nichdel (tied for fewest shinies with 23 sh.)
* 1 sh. to ProofTechnique (wins for fewest shinies with 23 sh.)
* 1 sh. to Gaelan (tied for fewest shinies with 24 sh.)

In total, Agora makes the following payments:

* 2 sh. to ProofTechnique
* 2 sh. to Gaelan
* 1 sh. to nichdel

-o



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BUS: Stamps, Rewards

[Owen Jacobson]

I destroy one stamp I own, which I made, to cause Agora to pay me 59 sh.
I destroy one stamp I own, which I made, to cause Agora to pay me 59 sh.

I claim a reward of 5 sh. apiece for each of the most recent Treasuror’s, 
Surveyor’s, and Notary’s weekly reports.

-o



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Re: BUS: Test

[Owen Jacobson]

On Nov 14, 2017, at 2:34 AM, VJ Rada  wrote:
> 
> __ __  __ __ __   __ __ __ __
> /\  ___\   /\ \_\ \   /\ \   /\ "-.\ \   /\ \   /\  ___\   /\  ___\
> \ \___  \  \ \  __ \  \ \ \  \ \ \-.  \  \ \ \  \ \  __\   \ \___  \
> \/\_\  \ \_\ \_\  \ \_\  \ \_\\"\_\  \ \_\  \ \_\  \/\_\
>  \/_/   \/_/\/_/   \/_/   \/_/ \/_/   \/_/   \/_/   \/_/
> 
> __ __ ____   __  __ __ __
> /\  ___\   /\  ___\   /\ \  /\__  _\ /\ \_\ \   /\ \   /\  ___\
> \ \ \  \ \  __\  _\_\ \ \/_/\ \/ \ \  __ \  \ \ \  \ \___  \
> \ \_\  \ \_\   /\_\   \ \_\  \ \_\ \_\  \ \_\  \/\_\
>  \/_/   \/_/   \/_/\/_/   \/_/\/_/   \/_/   \/_/
> 
> __ ______ __ __
> /\ \   /\  ___\  /\  __ \  /\  ___\   /\  ___\   /\ \
> \ \ \  \ \___  \ \ \  __ \ \ \ \  \ \  __\  _\_\ \
> \ \_\  \/\_\ \ \_\ \_\ \ \_\  \ \_\   /\_\
>  \/_/   \/_/  \/_/\/_/  \/_/   \/_/   \/_/

Oh, good, alt.fan.warlord is leaking again.

In case the above is effective, I call for judgement (using AP to do so) on the 
statement “In the above message, V.J Rada called a CFJ using Shinies.” I bar 
V.J Rada from this CFJ.

I recommend that if this CFJ is true, that it be judged by the same judge who 
judges V.J Rada’s CFJ above.

-o



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BUS: Re: OFF: [ADoP] Weekly Report: 11-14-17

[Owen Jacobson]

CoE: I haven’t been the Agronomist since Oct. 24th.

-o

> OFFICES
> 
> Office Holder   SinceLast Election Interim?[3]
> -
> ADoP[1]ATMunn   2017-10-20   2017-10-20
> Agronomist o2017-11-06   2017-11-06
> ArbitorG.   2017-09-15   2017-09-21
> Assessor   PSS[2]   2017-10-12   2017-10-12
> Herald G.   2017-09-13   2017-09-13
> Notary o2017-10-22   2017-10-30
> Prime Minister Alexis   2017-10-20   2017-10-20
> Promotor   Aris 2016-10-21   2017-09-21
> RefereeV.J. Rada2017-10-24   2017-11-07
> Registrar  PSS[2]   2017-04-18   2017-09-21
> Regkeepor  Aris 2017-07-06   2017-09-13
> Reportor   天火狐2017-09-13   2017-09-13
> Rulekeepor Alexis   2017-11-06   2017-11-06
> SpeakerQuazie   2017-10-09   2014-04-21
> Surveyor   o2017-05-08   2017-11-06
> Tailor Alexis   2017-10-01   2017-10-12Y
> Treasuror  o2016-10-22   2017-09-21
> -
> [1] Associate Director of Personnel
> [2] Publius Scribonius Scholasticus
> [3] Interim offices are offices that are either vacant, or the holder
> of the office was not elected to that office.



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BUS: [Proposal] Auctions v5

[Owen Jacobson]

I submit the following proposal, and pend it with AP.

-o

Title: Auctions v5
Author: o
Co-author(s): ATMunn, Aris, nichdel, G.
AI: 2

Create a power-2 rule titled "Auctions"
{
An Auction is a way for entities to give away items in exchange for
Shinies. Any rule or contract CAN permit (or require) Auctions to
be initiated.
}

Create a power-1 rule titled "Lots"
{
Each Auction has one or more lots of items.

A lot is a non-empty list of items to be transferred by a single 
Auction to
a single recipient.
}

Create a power-1 rule titled "The Auctioneer"
{
Each Auction has an Auctioneer.

The Auctioneer of an Auction is the entity that initiates that
Auction, and describes all of the specifics of an Auction. All
rules or contracts permitting Auctions to be initiated should
specify an entity to be Auctioneer. If no Auctioneer is specified,
the default Auctioneer for Auctions defined by the rules is Agora, and
the default Auctioneer for Auctions defined by a contract is the
contract itself.

A clause in a Contract purporting to make an entity which is neither the
Contract itself nor a party to the Contract the Auctioneer of an Auction
defined by that Contract is INEFFECTIVE.
}

Create a power-1 rule titled "The Auction Announcer"
{
Each Auction has an Announcer. Only persons can be Announcers.

If the Auctioneer of an Auction is a player, then that player is the
Announcer of that Auction.

Otherwise, the rule or contract defining an Auction CAN define the
Announcer for that Auction. Rules to the contrary notwithstanding, no
Contract can define a person as the Announcer of an Auction unless that
person is a party to that Contract.
}

Create a power-1 rule titled "Auction Initiation"
{
An entity authorized by a rule or contract to initiate an Auction CAN 
do so
by announcement. If the rule or contract specifies that that entity 
MUST do
so, that entity SHALL do so in a timely fashion. An Auction CANNOT be
initiated other than as described by a rule or contract.

An Auction CANNOT be initiated unless the announcer specifies all of

* the Auction's lots, in the order they will be awarded,
* the items in each lot,
* the Auction's Auctioneer,
* the Auction's announcer, and
* the Auction's minimum bid

in the message initiating the Auction. An Auction also CANNOT be 
initiated
unless the Auctioneer is able to give away each item in each of the
Auction's lots.
}

Create a power-1 rule titled "Bidding"
{
A person authorized to bid on an Auction CAN do so by announcement,
specifying the amount of shinies to bid. A bid placed on an Auction 
before
it is initiated, or it has ended, is INEFFECTIVE.

An attempt to place a bid which is less than the Auction's minimum bid 
is
INEFFECTIVE.

A person CAN withdraw their bid on an Auction by announcement. If a 
person
submits a bid on an Auction, all bids previously placed on that Auction 
by
that person are withdrawn.

A rule or contract defining an Auction CAN specify a class of players 
who
are authorized to bid on that Auction. If the rule or contract does not
specify a class of authorized bidders, any player is authorized to bid 
on
an Auction defined by a rule, and any party to a contract is authorized 
to
bid an Auction defined by that Contract.

A person SHALL NOT bid on an Auction if it would be impossible for em to
pay that amount at the conclusion of the Auction.
}

Create a power-1 rule titled "Auction End"
{
An Auction ends 7 days after its initiation, or immediately if no bid 
has
been placed or withdrawn in the last 96 hours, or immediately if it is
terminated.

When an Auction ends, any bid placed by an entity which does not own 
enough
Shinies to pay the amount specified in the bid is automatically 
withdrawn.

Once an Auction has ended, any further attempts to bid on that Auction 
or
to withdraw bids from that Auction are INEFFECTIVE.

Once the Auction has ended, the Auction's announcer SHALL announce
the end of the Auction in a timely fashion. In the same message, e
SHALL include the a list of all the bids on the Auction and the
winner(s) (if there are any) of the Auction.

A person's priority on an Auction is their position in the list of 
persons
who have bid on the Auction, sorted by the value of their non-withdrawn
bids in descending order. If two persons have placed non-withdrawn bids 
for
the same value, a player who placed their non-withdrawn bid first has a
higher priority than a 

BUS: Re: OFF: [Promotor] Distribution of Proposals 7965-7972

[Owen Jacobson]

I vote as follows:

> ID Author(s)  AI   TitlePender  Pend fee
> ---
> 7965*  Trigon 3.0  One pronoun fix  Trigon  1 AP

FOR.

> 7966*  ATMunn 1.0  But I already live there!o   1 AP

FOR.

> 7967*  V.J. Rada  1.0  Rhyming sux tbh  V.J. Rada   1 AP

FOR.

> 7968*  Alexis, [3]2.0  Backed Out the Door  Alexis  OP [1][2]

FOR. This has all the makings of a hot mess, and I’m very much looking forward 
to it. The pun is also a delight.

> 7969*  V.J. Rada, [4] 3.0  Obvious fix  V.J. Rada   2 sh.

FOR.

> 7970*  V.J. Rada  2.0  Referee Minor FixV.J. Rada   2 sh.

FOR.

> 7971*  V.J. Rada, [4] 3.0  Cleanup Time V.J. Rada   2 sh.

AGAINST. “Any pronoun” is far, far too broad.

> 7972*  G. 2.0  Silly Tweaks G.  1 AP


FOR.

-o



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Re: BUS: Cleanup

[Owen Jacobson]

> On Nov 9, 2017, at 4:20 AM, Owen Jacobson <o...@grimoire.ca> wrote:
> 
> I intend, without objection, to destroy the contract "Easy Off Scam: Cleaning 
> Your Mold Fast”.

I do so.

> I intend, without objection, to destroy the contract “Scam Fix”.

I do so.

-o



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Re: BUS: [Notary] Regulation Recommendation Notice

[Owen Jacobson]

> On Nov 7, 2017, at 10:53 PM, Owen Jacobson <o...@grimoire.ca> wrote:
> 
> Pursuant to rule 2493 (“Regulations”), I intend, without 2 objections or with 
> consent, to recommend the following regulation.

I do so. No objections have been noted. No supports have been noted.

-o

> Title: Contract Sustenance Exemptions
> Rules:
>   2526 (Sustenance Payments, p=2.4)
> 
> The following contracts are exempt from paying sustenance payments, until the 
> date specified:
> 
> * Order of the Occult Hand, until January 31st, 2018.


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Re: BUS: Re: DIS: Backing Documents?

[Owen Jacobson]

> On Nov 7, 2017, at 10:35 PM, Owen Jacobson <o...@grimoire.ca> wrote:
> 
> 
>> On Nov 7, 2017, at 8:51 PM, Aris Merchant 
>> <thoughtsoflifeandligh...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> For each player X except myself (sorry V.J.):
>> 
>> {
>> I create a pledge with the text "I shall not transfer pledges, unless
>> my name is Aris."
>> I transfer that pledge to X.
>> }
> 
> If I received a pledge in the above message, I intend to withdraw it without 
> objection.

I do so.

-o



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BUS: Cleanup

[Owen Jacobson]

I intend, without objection, to destroy the contract "Easy Off Scam: Cleaning 
Your Mold Fast”.

I intend, without objection, to destroy the contract “Scam Fix”.

In both cases, I feel this is appropriate - neither contract provides for its 
own dissolution or amendment, so there is no obvious other way to clean these 
up before December. Both have served their nominal purposes, and I’d prefer if 
they weren’t left lying around to cause further trouble.

-o



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Re: BUS: Can we telegraph this any more clearly?

[Owen Jacobson]

> On Nov 9, 2017, at 3:50 AM, Owen Jacobson <o...@grimoire.ca> wrote:
> 
> As authorized by the contract "Easy Off Scam: Cleaning Your Mold Fast", I 
> cause the Head, V.J Rada, to pay Agora 1


[…]

I call for judgement, paying Agora 1 sh. to do so and barring V.J Rada, on the 
statement "V.J Rada owns the Estate of Erehwon".

Caller's Arguments:

Exhibit 1 contains 1,011 payments to Agora of 1 sh. apiece, substantially made 
by V.J Rada and identified as being payments for the purchase of the Estate. 
V.J Rada was authorized to purchase that Estate, as exhibit 2 shows, e had 
recently won an auction.

Shinies are fungible (see exhibits 3 and 4): any two collections of shinies 
with the same number of shinies in them and the same owner are fully 
interchangeable, and are in fact indistinguishable from one another, as we lack 
the means to identify any single shiny with any certainty. Similarly, dividing 
a payment into multiple smaller payments is neither permitted nor proscribed by 
the rules, and after receiving 1,011 shinies, Agora is exactly as enriched if 
those shinies come in a single payment, or in multiple payments.

Conversely, however, the 1,011 payments in exhibit 1 are evidently not 
_atomic_. They are, by necessity, interleaved with other actions involving the 
same parties (V.J Rada and Agora). If we are to treat all 1,011 payments as a 
unit, in what order does that payment occur with respect to the 1,011 payments 
Agora makes in that message?

Exhibit 5 is the only relevant CFJ I'm aware of. I judged it, and I stand by it.

Exhibits:

1. 
<https://mailman.agoranomic.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/agora-business/2017-November/037043.html>
2. 
<https://mailman.agoranomic.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/agora-official/2017-November/012032.html>
3. Rule 2483 ("Economics"):

Shinies (singular "shiny", abbreviated "sh.") are an indestructible liquid 
currency, and the official currency of Agora. The Treasuror is the recordkeepor 
for shinies.

4. Rule 2166 ("Assets"), in part:

A currency is a class of asset defined as such by its backing document. 
Instances of a currency with the same owner are fungible.

5. <https://faculty.washington.edu/kerim/nomic/cases/?3552>



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Re: BUS: Contract

[Owen Jacobson]

> On Nov 9, 2017, at 2:46 AM, VJ Rada  wrote:
> 
> I create the following contract, spending 1 shiny to do so.
> 
> Name: Scam Fix
> Text: o. can become a party to this contract by announcement, everyone
> else is banned.
> 
> o can act on behalf of V.J. Rada to cause VJ Rada to transfer Estates
> to emself.

I become party to this contract.

-o



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Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Surveyor] November Estate Auction

[Owen Jacobson]

On Nov 2, 2017, at 4:20 AM, Telnaior  wrote:

> I also transfer 6 shinies (the Stamp Value) to Agora to create a Stamp.

I missed this transaction when I was processing messages last week, and failed 
to account for it. I raise a claim of error against the most recent Treasuror’s 
weekly report, as it inaccurately reports both Telnaior’s balance and the 
status of Telnaior’s stamps.

Fortunately, this has no knock-on effects. No distributions, proposals, CFJs, 
other Shiny transactions, or Stamp transactions were affected by this omission.

I cause Agora to distribute this payment. In total, 3 sh. must be distributed. 
I cause Agora to pay as follows:

* 1 sh. to ProofTechnique (has the fewest shinies, with 21 sh.)
* 1 sh. to Gaelan (tied for fewest, with 22 sh.)
* 1 sh. to nichdel (tied for fewest, with 22 sh.)

-o



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BUS: [Treasuror] Distribution

[Owen Jacobson]

I cause Agora to distribute the following payments:

Wed,  8 Nov 2017 05:11:33 ? The contract "狐票店" paid Agora 1 sh.
Wed,  8 Nov 2017 14:18:44 ? ATMunn paid Agora 1 sh.

In total, 2 sh. must be distributed. I cause Agora to pay as follows:

* 1 sh. to Gaelan (tied for fewest shinies with 21 sh.)
* 1 sh. to nichdel (tied for fewest shinies with 21 sh.)

-o



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Re: BUS: [Notary] Monthly Cleanup

[Owen Jacobson]

On Nov 8, 2017, at 12:04 AM, Josh T  wrote:

> I transfer 4 shinies to 狐票店


I cause 狐票店 to pay Agora 1 sh., rescuing it from dissolution.

-o



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BUS: [Treasuror] Distribution

[Owen Jacobson]

I cause Agora to distribute the following payments:

Tue,  7 Nov 2017 09:18:12 ? V.J Rada paid Agora 2 sh.
Tue,  7 Nov 2017 23:49:30 ? V.J Rada paid Agora 1 sh.
Wed,  8 Nov 2017 03:47:54 ? The contract "isnack 2".0 paid Agora 1 sh.
Wed,  8 Nov 2017 03:47:54 ? The contract "Order of the Occult Hand" paid Agora
  1 sh.

In total, Agora must pay 4 shinies. I cause Agora to pay as follows:

* 1 sh. to ProofTechnique (wins for fewest shinies with 19 sh.)
* 1 sh. to Gaelan (tied for fewest with 20 sh.)
* 1 sh. to nichdel (tied for fewest with 20 sh.)
* 1 sh. to ProofTechnique (wins for fewest with 20 sh.)

-o



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BUS: [Notary] Regulation Recommendation Notice

[Owen Jacobson]

Pursuant to rule 2493 (“Regulations”), I intend, without 2 objections or with 
consent, to recommend the following regulation.

It’s clear that the following contracts are of general interest and are 
beneficial to Agora, and that they need not be additionally burdened with 
sustenance payments to prove their worth for the time being.

-o

Title: Contract Sustenance Exemptions
Rules:
2526 (Sustenance Payments, p=2.4)

The following contracts are exempt from paying sustenance payments, until the 
date specified:

* Order of the Occult Hand, until January 31st, 2018.




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BUS: [Notary] Monthly Cleanup

[Owen Jacobson]

I cause the following contracts to transfer a 1 sh. sustenance payment to Agora:

* isnack 2.0 (new balance: 0 sh.)
* Order of the Occult Hand (new balance: 4 sh.)

I intend, with notice, to destroy the contracts

* 狐票店

-o



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Re: BUS: Re: DIS: Backing Documents?

[Owen Jacobson]

> On Nov 7, 2017, at 8:51 PM, Aris Merchant 
>  wrote:
> 
> For each player X except myself (sorry V.J.):
> 
> {
> I create a pledge with the text "I shall not transfer pledges, unless
> my name is Aris."
> I transfer that pledge to X.
> }

If I received a pledge in the above message, I intend to withdraw it without 
objection.

-o



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Re: BUS: Contract (It's all you, o.)

[Owen Jacobson]

On Nov 7, 2017, at 6:49 PM, VJ Rada  wrote:

> I spend 1 shiny to create the following Contract
> 
> Name: Easy Off Scam: Cleaning Your Mold Fast
> Text:
> o can become a party to this contract by announcement. Nobody else can
> become a party to this contract. V.J. Rada is a party to this
> contract, and the contract's Head.

I become party to this contract.

-o




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Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Treasuror] Weekly Report (revision 3)

[Owen Jacobson]

> On Nov 3, 2017, at 8:57 PM, Owen Jacobson <o...@grimoire.ca> wrote:
> 
> I intend, without objection, to ratify the 3rd revision of the most recent 
> Treasuror’s weekly report, reproduced in full below.

I do so.

-o

>> On Oct 31, 2017, at 2:59 AM, Owen Jacobson <o...@grimoire.ca> wrote:
>> 
>> Treasuror's Weekly Report
>> 
>> Date of this report: Tue, 31 Oct 2017
>> Date of last report: Wed, 25 Oct 2017
>> 
>> Recent events (all times UTC):
>> 
>> Events marked with a ? include payments distributable as passive income.
>> Events marked with a + include payments already distributed as passive 
>> income.
>> 
>> Wed, 11 Oct 2017 09:10:48   V.J Rada paid the Community Chest 1 sh.
>> Wed, 11 Oct 2017 09:38:13   V.J Rada paid Agora 1 sh.
>> Wed, 11 Oct 2017 18:36:46   G. created a stamp for 5 sh.
>> Wed, 11 Oct 2017 19:48:51   P.S.S.[1] created a stamp for 5 sh.
>> Wed, 11 Oct 2017 20:29:06   Alexis created a stamp for 5 sh.
>> Thu, 12 Oct 2017 22:30:23   V.J Rada paid Agora 1 sh.
>> - previous report -
>> Fri, 13 Oct 2017 05:34:01   o created a stamp for 5 sh.
>> Fri, 13 Oct 2017 18:51:12   G. paid Agora 41 sh.
>> Fri, 13 Oct 2017 21:24:42   Agora paid G. 5 sh.
>> Sat, 14 Oct 2017 15:39:00   V.J Rada paid Alexis 52 sh.
>> Sun, 15 Oct 2017 01:40:24   o paid Agora 1 sh.
>> Sun, 15 Oct 2017 06:23:30   Agora paid V.J Rada 1 sh.
>> Sun, 15 Oct 2017 20:16:32   Agora paid V.J Rada 2 sh.
>> Sun, 15 Oct 2017 20:18:39   Agora paid Aris 2 sh.
>> Sun, 15 Oct 2017 19:39:11   Proposal 7921 ("Passive Income") enacted
>> Sun, 15 Oct 2017 19:50:05   Agora paid P.S.S.[1] 10 sh.
>> Sun, 15 Oct 2017 20:27:05   Agora paid ATMunn 2 sh.
>> Mon, 16 Oct 2017 00:27:13 + Aris paid Agora 1 sh.
>> Mon, 16 Oct 2017 01:13:16   Agora paid Alexis 2 sh.
>> Mon, 16 Oct 2017 03:03:06 + Aris paid Agora 1 sh.
>> Mon, 16 Oct 2017 03:17:51 + Aris paid Agora 1 sh.
>> Mon, 16 Oct 2017 03:50:04   The Community Chest paid V.J Rada 23 sh.
>> Mon, 16 Oct 2017 13:30:36   ATMunn paid Alexis 1 sh.
>> Mon, 16 Oct 2017 20:07:36   Agora paid 天火狐 5 sh.
>> Mon, 16 Oct 2017 22:56:24   Agora paid Aris 5 sh.
>> Tue, 17 Oct 2017 13:14:21 + ATMunn paid Agora 1 sh.
>> Fri, 20 Oct 2017 20:22:56 + Alexis paid Agora 1 sh.
>> Fri, 20 Oct 2017 20:42:59   Agora paid Telnaior 50 sh.
>> Fri, 20 Oct 2017 22:10:24 + ATMunn paid Agora 1 sh.
>> Fri, 20 Oct 2017 22:22:59   V.J Rada paid Telnaior 5 sh.
>> Sat, 21 Oct 2017 01:52:53 + Aris paid Agora 1 sh.
>> Sat, 21 Oct 2017 13:22:34   ATMunn paid Alexis 1 sh.
>> Sun, 22 Oct 2017 00:25:22   Agora paid G. 5 sh.
>> Sun, 22 Oct 2017 00:51:53   Agora paid G. 5 sh.
>> Sun, 22 Oct 2017 12:38:57   Agora paid P.S.S.[1] 10 sh.
>> Sun, 22 Oct 2017 18:26:44 + Proposal 7924 ("Contracts v8") enacted
>> Sun, 22 Oct 2017 21:52:16 + V.J Rada paid Agora 1 sh.
>> Sun, 22 Oct 2017 22:28:06   Alexis paid Aris 2 sh.
>> Mon, 23 Oct 2017 00:30:10 + G. paid Agora 1 sh.
>> Mon, 23 Oct 2017 06:02:31 + 天火狐 paid Agora 1 sh.
>> Mon, 23 Oct 2017 13:19:56 + ATMunn paid Agora 1 sh.
>> Tue, 24 Oct 2017 05:53:29   Agora paid V.J Rada 5 sh.
>> Tue, 24 Oct 2017 06:19:45   o paid 天火狐 2 sh.
>> Tue, 24 Oct 2017 07:08:48   o paid P.S.S.[1] 30 sh.
>> Tue, 24 Oct 2017 07:08:48   o paid V.J Rada 30 sh.
>> Tue, 24 Oct 2017 17:36:02   V.J Rada paid o 15 sh.
>> Wed, 25 Oct 2017 02:18:37 + Aris paid Agora 1 sh.
>> Wed, 25 Oct 2017 03:14:55   Agora paid o 5 sh.
>> Wed, 25 Oct 2017 03:14:55   o paid V.J Rada 2 sh.
>> Wed, 25 Oct 2017 03:22:59 + V.J Rada paid Agora 1 sh.
>> - time of last report -
>> Wed, 25 Oct 2017 03:39:41   Agora paid 天火狐 5 sh.
>> Wed, 25 Oct 2017 04:09:56   Agora paid o 5 sh.
>> Wed, 25 Oct 2017 04:30:22 + o paid Agora 8 sh.
>> Wed, 25 Oct 2017 05:32:31 + Telnaior created a stamp for 6 sh.
>> Wed, 25 Oct 2017 06:14:56   Agora paid ProofTechnique 8 sh.
>> Wed, 25 Oct 2017 06:14:56   Agora paid Gaelan 4 sh.
>> Wed, 25 Oct 2017 07:18:12 + V.J Rada paid Agora 2 sh.
>> Wed, 25 Oct 2017 17:31:21   Agora paid ATMunn 5 sh.
>> Thu, 26 Oct 2017 00:20:52   V.J Rada paid Trigon 10 sh.
>> Thu, 26 Oct 2017 01:45:43 + V.J Rada paid Agora 2 sh.
>> Thu, 26 Oct 2017 03:45:41 + 天火狐 paid Agora 1 sh.
>> Thu, 26 Oct 2017 03:45:41   天火狐 paid the contract "Order of the Occult Hand"
>> 5 sh. and 1 天火狐 stamp
>> Fri, 27 Oct 2017 06:44:23 + o paid Agora 2 sh.
>> Fri, 27 Oct 2017 17:35:45   Agora paid G. 2 sh.
>> Sat, 28 Oct 2017 01:23:25   Agora paid G. 5 sh.
>> Sat, 28 Oct 2017 22:37:41   Aris paid o

BUS: Re: OFF: [Treasuror] Weekly Report

[Owen Jacobson]

I cause Agora to distribute the following payments:

> Sun,  5 Nov 2017 08:32:15 ? V.J Rada paid Agora 2 sh.
> Sun,  5 Nov 2017 13:35:57 ? ATMunn created a stamp for 6 sh.
> Sun,  5 Nov 2017 18:42:12 ? ATMunn paid Agora 2 sh.
> Mon,  6 Nov 2017 10:27:55 ? P.S.S.[1] paid Agora 2 sh.
> Tue,  7 Nov 2017 06:31:42 ? V.J Rada paid Agora 2 sh.

In total, 7 sh. must be distributed. I cause Agora to pay as follows:

1 sh. to V.J Rada (wins for least with 15 sh.)
1 sh. to V.J Rada (wins for least with 16 sh.)
1 sh. to V.J Rada (wins for least with 17 sh.)
1 sh. to V.J Rada (wins for least with 18 sh.)
1 sh. to Gaelan (tied for least with 19 sh.)
1 sh. to nichdel (tied for least with 19 sh.)
1 sh. to V.J Rada (tied for least with 19 sh.)

In total:

5 sh. to V.J Rada
1 sh. to Gaelan
1 sh. to nichdel

I’ve intentionally left CuddleBeam’s payment undistributed. I’ll take a card 
for this if the associated CFJ remains outstanding, but I’d strongly prefer not 
to create more dependent payments if I can avoid it. I pledge to distribute the 
payment in a timely fashion if the CFJ finds that CuddleBeam’s payment did, in 
fact, occur.

-o



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BUS: Re: OFF: [Surveyor] Weekly Report

[Owen Jacobson]

I completely rewrote the software that generates this report this week, but 
unless you’re very sharp-eyed, you can’t tell.

I pledge to pay 5 sh. to the first person to publicly identify the specific bug 
I fixed in the Surveyor’s report this week, provided their answer includes 
either the word, some synonym for the word, or some observation related to the 
word, whose sha256 hash is 
e2c2bf1fdea49d1d90f7e17ac158016862f213b42f88b760aee47f697205d83a, and that I 
will disclose the word as part of the reward if it is collected.

-o

> On Nov 7, 2017, at 3:48 AM, Owen Jacobson <o...@grimoire.ca> wrote:
> 
> Recent events (all times UTC)
> 
> Tue, 09 May 2017 01:02:55  The Estate of Antegria created by Proposal 7846
> Tue, 09 May 2017 01:02:55  The Estate of Borduria created by Proposal 7846
> Tue, 09 May 2017 01:02:55  The Estate of Cagliostro created by Proposal 7846
> Tue, 09 May 2017 01:02:55  The Estate of Dawsbergen created by Proposal 7846
> Tue, 09 May 2017 01:02:55  The Estate of Erehwon created by Proposal 7846
> Sat, 10 Jun 2017 08:27:45  天火狐 went on a tour of Antegria
> Sat, 10 Jun 2017 22:40:37  天火狐 bought the Estate of Antegria for 50 Shinies
> Thu, 17 Aug 2017 05:36:51  o bought the Estate of Borduria for 1 Shiny
> Thu, 17 Aug 2017 12:38:08  ais523 went on a tour of Borduria
> Sat, 19 Aug 2017 03:43:12  o sold Borduria to ais523
> Sat, 09 Sep 2017 01:20:34  CuddleBeam went on a tour of Cagliostro
> Mon, 11 Sep 2017 17:35:30  ais523 deregistered
> Tue, 12 Sep 2017 05:27:39  CuddleBeam bought Cagliostro for 68 shinies
> Fri, 13 Oct 2017 18:51:12  G. bought The Estate of Dawsbergen for 41 sh.
> Mon, 06 Nov 2017 21:54:08  The Estate of Florin created by Proposal 7954
> Mon, 06 Nov 2017 21:54:08  The Estate of Guilder created by Proposal 7954
> 
> 
> EstateOwner
> ---
> Antegria  天火狐
> Borduria  Agora
> Cagliostro   CuddleBeam
> Dawsbergen   G.
> Erehwon   Agora
> FlorinAgora
> Guilder   Agora
> 
> 
> = The Estate of Antegria =
> Owner: 天火狐
> Market Value: 50 Shinies
> 
>Anomic Antegria is a picturesque pastoral region with many
>historic sites in its borders. Although known primarily for its
>many open-air sulphur lakes and the occasional volcanic eruption,
>Antegria is a land of endless natural beauty with over three
>national parks dedicated to some of the most unique landscapes of
>the world, such as Antegria's famed desert of glass, pristine lava
>flats, and wide expansive heaths. A trip through fetid Antegria is
>not complete without spotting two of the most iconic animals
>inhabiting the region: the Moorlands Dire Alpaca and the Antegrian
>Fire Keese, both of which should be easy to find on any day trip
>from the capital, St. Marmero.
> 
>For the culturally-inclined visitor, the Presidential Palace
>Square in downtown St. Marmero is an iconic location, and, with
>the completion of the new statue commemorating the crowning of the
>Princess of Agora, now an even more paramount destination to be
>visiting. Down the street from the palace is the Antegrian War
>Memorial, showing the struggles and triumphs of our countrymen in
>the many wars this region had been embroiled in. From visiting the
>noteworthy battlefields of yore to a gastronomical adventure
>across the countryside, the Ministry of Tourism offers a variety
>of tours, with complementary professional tour guides and security
>for the trip. If a regimented schedule is not your thing, heading
>out and forging your own path in Antegria is always an adventure:
>you may even find some hidden gems in the countryside!
> 
> = The Estate of Borduria =
> Owner: Agora
> Market Value: 5 Shinies
> 
>Borduria is a flat plain among the otherwise mountainous area at
>the east edge of Agora, thus making it a common battleground when
>hostilities arise between Agora and other nomics. It is notable
>for a  major train line that was once in regular use to deliver
>military supplies to Agora's defensive forces; so regular, in
>fact, that it became the standard means of telling time for
>Bordurian citizens. In the present, more peaceful, political
>climate, a service of its previous frequency is no longer needed
>for logistical reasons, but is nonetheless preserved in order to
>allow Bordurians to set their watches.
> 
>Exports from the Borduria region include dairy products
>(especially cheese), grapes, and wheat (typically in refined
>form).
> 
> = The Estate of Cagliostro =
> Owner: CuddleBeam
> Market Value: 68 Shinies
> 
>Calgios

BUS: Rewards

[Owen Jacobson]

I claim a 5 sh. reward for each of the most recent Treasuror’s weekly report, 
the most recent Notary’s weekly report, and the most recent Surveyor’s weekly 
report.

-o



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BUS: [Treasuror] Supply Level Adjustment

[Owen Jacobson]

As Treasuror, I cause a Shiny Relevelling Event. The current Supply Level is 
1,330, so this creates 330 sh. in Agora’s possession.

Looking forward to the hot mess next month, when Agora won’t have enough 
Shinies to lose,

-o



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Re: BUS: [Registrar] Monthly Deportations (Was: Re: DIS: Shiny Supply Level Fact (attn Treasuror!))

[Owen Jacobson]

> On Nov 6, 2017, at 8:30 PM, Publius Scribonius Scholasticus 
>  wrote:
> 
> I intend to deregister without objection, each of Murphy, Quazie, Ienpw
> III, omd, Bayushi, and ProofTechnique.

I object to the deregistration of omd and to the deregistration of Murphy.

This shall likely be the last such objection I put forth.

-o



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Re: BUS: A silly prize

[Owen Jacobson]

> On Nov 6, 2017, at 6:44 PM, Kerim Aydin  wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> As Herald I did wait to see
> How Silly we could truly be.
> And now with a few proposals in queue,
> We find that puns are easier to do.
> Poems though - are hard to plan!
> And harder to make sure they scan.
> And with all that to implement
> A brand new rule with fun intent?
> Is quite a feat!  Deserving praise-
> And so (the point I want to raise)
> Is celebrating wit is vital,
> So I suggest a Patent Title.
> 
> And so I specify intent
> To act (with 2 Agoran Consent)
> And award to 天火狐 the Title Bard.
> Please support - it isn't hard!

I think that I shall never see
A bard quite as pretty as e
I support the above intent
And let the haters

get bent

(with apologies)

-o



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Re: BUS: Dumb proposal

[Owen Jacobson]

> On Nov 6, 2017, at 12:50 PM, ATMunn  wrote:
> 
> I pledge to either pend or withdraw the below proposal before the beginning 
> of the next Agoran week.
> 
> I submit the following proposal:
> 
> Title: "But I already live there!"
> AI: 1
> 
> Amend rule 2474 "Green Cards" by replacing the text "the United States" with 
> "Brazil".

I pend this proposal, spending my other AP to do so.

Brazil’s a lovely country. I’ve always wanted to go there.

-o



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Re: BUS: Proposal: Silly Person & Poetry Repeal

[Owen Jacobson]

> On Nov 7, 2017, at 2:59 AM, Owen Jacobson <o...@grimoire.ca> wrote:
> 
> 
>> On Nov 6, 2017, at 4:17 AM, Cuddle Beam <cuddleb...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> I challenge VJ Rada to a POETRY DUEL and pay 10 shinies to this purpose.
> 
> To the misty peaks of learnéd elders
> I call, asking that they pass judgement on
> this simple statement, and that we defer
> all further quarrels, fights and duels, and on:
> "It is impossible to issue writs which
> start a poetry duel challenge.” Held:
> The rule supporting such a hostile pitch
> does not spell out to whom to pay the geld.

Blast.

I call with action points of which I’ve two
in hope I have no plans left quite screwed.

-o



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BUS: Re: OFF: [Promotor] Distribution of Proposal 7962 (revision)

[Owen Jacobson]

I vote as follows:

> ID Author(s)  AI   TitlePender  Pend fee
> ---
> 7962*  ATMunn 1.0  Medals of Honour Fix ATMunn  1 AP

FOR.

-o



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BUS: Re: OFF: [Expedition] Distribution of a Proposal

[Owen Jacobson]

On Nov 5, 2017, at 10:10 PM, Alexis Hunt  wrote:

> I submit, pend for an AP, and expedite by specially deputiising, per Rule 
> 2443, for Promotor distribute the following Proposal. This notice thus 
> initiates the Agoran decision to adopt the Proposal; the valid votes are FOR, 
> AGAINST, PRESENT, and conditional votes, the vote collector is the Assessor.
> 
> Proposal: Rulekeepor History Fix (AI=1, author=Alexis)
> {{{
> Amend rule 1681 (The Logical Rulesets) by replacing "any historical 
> annotations which the Rulekeepor is required to record" with "any required 
> historical annotations, to the greatest extent that such information is 
> available" and by replacing "Whenever a rule is changed in any way, the 
> Rulekeepor SHALL record a historical annotation to the rule indicating:" with 
> "The required historical annotations are, for every time a rule has been 
> changed in any way, a historical annotation to that rule including:"
> }}}
> 
> This existing rule is unclear as to what actually is required; this makes it 
> more clear and additionally excuses the Rulekeepor early history where the 
> information is not available.

On whatever proposal ID this turns out to be, I vote PRESENT.

This isn’t exactly an “I don’t care” vote. I do care, deeply. However, I’m torn 
between concern that changing “the Rulekeepor SHALL” to “the required 
annotations are” excuses more than intended, and appreciation for the 
difficulty of reconstructing 20-year-old rule changes from available 
information.

As a thought experiment, would ratification of the FLR make the historical 
annotations in it become true?

-o

BUS: Re: OFF: [Promotor] Distribution of Proposals 7957-7961

[Owen Jacobson]

I vote as follows:

> ID Author(s)  AI   TitlePender  Pend fee
> ---
> 7957*  G. 1.0  Random Irony G.  OP [1]

AGAINST, but I appreciate the cosmic joke.

> 7958*  G. 2.0  Succession Planning  G.  OP [1]

FOR. I like the idea, but I’m not convinced of the implementation: in 
particular, is an appointed successor an interim, or a non-interim holder of an 
office? I’m voting for it regardless, since it does solve a known issue; we can 
work out the refinements afterwards.

> 7959*  Telnaior   3.0  Deregistration Fix   Telnaior1 AP

FOR.

> 7960*  V.J. Rada  2.0  Community Chest Repeal IIV.J. Rada   2 sh.

FOR.

> 7961*  G. 1.0  Fear lessG.  1 AP

FOR.

-o

Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Referee] Weekly Report

[Owen Jacobson]

> On Nov 1, 2017, at 9:41 PM, Owen Jacobson <o...@grimoire.ca> wrote:
> 
>> o -
>> If there is exactly one winning bid, and if that bid includes a blurb​ 
>> ​describing the region of Dawsbergen, of at least 70 words, I will include​ 
>> ​that blurb in at least one future Surveyor’s report if it is possible for​ 
>> ​me to do so. I will pay the lesser of 10% of the winning bid, rounded up,​ 
>> ​or 50 Shinies, to the player who made the bid,immediately after​ r​esolving 
>> the auction.
> 
> I intend, without objection, to withdraw this pledge.

I do so.

>> o​ - (Oct 24)
>> I pledge to publish the following reports in the next two days:
>> 
>> * Secretary’s weekly report
>> * Referee’s weekly report
>> * Surveyor’s weekly report
>> * Agronomist’s weekly report
>> * Notary’s weekly report
> 
> I intend, without objection, to withdraw this pledge.

I do so.

-o

BUS: CFJ 3590 judged FALSE

[Owen Jacobson]

> On Nov 4, 2017, at 10:30 AM, Kerim Aydin  wrote:
> 
> 
> 
>> I CFJ on the following statement: ATMunn bought a Stamp in the referenced 
>> message (posted on or about 2 Nov 2017 14:34 Z).
> 
> This is CFJ 3590.  I assign it to o.

I find this CFJ to be FALSE.

The test given in CFJ 3409 is clear. Given the below message:

> From: ATMunn 
> Reply-To: agora-discuss...@agoranomic.org
> To:   agora-business@agoranomic.org
> Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2017 09:34:46 -0400
> Subject:  BUS: I buy a Stamp, transferring 6 shinies to Agora to do so.
> 
> Let's test the limits of how far subject line actions can go...
> Feel free to CFJ.

The arms of the test run as follows:

> 1.  Are there multiple actions that can be inferred?

No. There is a single action which can be inferred from the message, including 
the subject line.

> 2.  Is there a real doubt as to what is intended?

No. The subject line of the message in question is crystal clear as to the 
intended action, and the message body can only be interpreted, outside of the 
rules, as an instruction to refer to the subject line.

> 3.  Is timing an issue?  (multiple events in the message).

No. Taking the subject line into account, the message could only contain at 
most one action. Leaving the subject line out, it contains none. In neither 
case is timing or ordering important.

> 4.  Is anything purposefully obfuscated?

No. Every relevant part of the message is plainly visible, without 
extraordinary effort, in ordinary email clients.

> 5.  Does the message text infer the type of action that can be made clear 
> from the subject line?

Importantly, no. This is where ATMunn’s message fails the test: the message 
body infers no actions at all.

There are two additional factors that suggest that subject-line-only actions, 
such as ATMunn’s attempt here, should not be permitted in the general case: 
historical convention and the interests of Agora as a whole. Other than 
exceptions such as registration, which have historically adhered to looser 
conventions than Agoran gameplay as a whole, the subject line of a message has 
generally not been taken as part of the message.

This has three important safety properties. First, _replies_ to messages cannot 
accidentally include attempts to perform the same action as the original 
message’s sender, by automatically repeating the original message’s subject 
line. Certainly, replying to ATMunn’s message on a public forum should not 
imply that the respondant _also_, intentinoally, attempts to buy a stamp. 
Second, in cases where a message’s subject and text are mutually contradictory, 
this convention provides a simple and clear system for determining which of the 
two should take effect. Finally, it completely avoids the question of when, 
within a larger message containing multiple actions, the action contemplated in 
the message’s subject line should occur.

I see no reason to overturn Agoran gameplay conventions at this time. Given the 
above, I find the statement "ATMunn bought a Stamp in the referenced message 
(posted on or about 2 Nov 2017 14:34 Z).” to be FALSE.

-o



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BUS: Re: OFF: [Treasuror] Weekly Report (revision 3)

[Owen Jacobson]

I intend, without objection, to ratify the 3rd revision of the most recent 
Treasuror’s weekly report, reproduced in full below.

-o

> On Oct 31, 2017, at 2:59 AM, Owen Jacobson <o...@grimoire.ca> wrote:
> 
> Treasuror's Weekly Report
> 
> Date of this report: Tue, 31 Oct 2017
> Date of last report: Wed, 25 Oct 2017
> 
> Recent events (all times UTC):
> 
> Events marked with a ? include payments distributable as passive income.
> Events marked with a + include payments already distributed as passive income.
> 
> Wed, 11 Oct 2017 09:10:48   V.J Rada paid the Community Chest 1 sh.
> Wed, 11 Oct 2017 09:38:13   V.J Rada paid Agora 1 sh.
> Wed, 11 Oct 2017 18:36:46   G. created a stamp for 5 sh.
> Wed, 11 Oct 2017 19:48:51   P.S.S.[1] created a stamp for 5 sh.
> Wed, 11 Oct 2017 20:29:06   Alexis created a stamp for 5 sh.
> Thu, 12 Oct 2017 22:30:23   V.J Rada paid Agora 1 sh.
> - previous report -
> Fri, 13 Oct 2017 05:34:01   o created a stamp for 5 sh.
> Fri, 13 Oct 2017 18:51:12   G. paid Agora 41 sh.
> Fri, 13 Oct 2017 21:24:42   Agora paid G. 5 sh.
> Sat, 14 Oct 2017 15:39:00   V.J Rada paid Alexis 52 sh.
> Sun, 15 Oct 2017 01:40:24   o paid Agora 1 sh.
> Sun, 15 Oct 2017 06:23:30   Agora paid V.J Rada 1 sh.
> Sun, 15 Oct 2017 20:16:32   Agora paid V.J Rada 2 sh.
> Sun, 15 Oct 2017 20:18:39   Agora paid Aris 2 sh.
> Sun, 15 Oct 2017 19:39:11   Proposal 7921 ("Passive Income") enacted
> Sun, 15 Oct 2017 19:50:05   Agora paid P.S.S.[1] 10 sh.
> Sun, 15 Oct 2017 20:27:05   Agora paid ATMunn 2 sh.
> Mon, 16 Oct 2017 00:27:13 + Aris paid Agora 1 sh.
> Mon, 16 Oct 2017 01:13:16   Agora paid Alexis 2 sh.
> Mon, 16 Oct 2017 03:03:06 + Aris paid Agora 1 sh.
> Mon, 16 Oct 2017 03:17:51 + Aris paid Agora 1 sh.
> Mon, 16 Oct 2017 03:50:04   The Community Chest paid V.J Rada 23 sh.
> Mon, 16 Oct 2017 13:30:36   ATMunn paid Alexis 1 sh.
> Mon, 16 Oct 2017 20:07:36   Agora paid 天火狐 5 sh.
> Mon, 16 Oct 2017 22:56:24   Agora paid Aris 5 sh.
> Tue, 17 Oct 2017 13:14:21 + ATMunn paid Agora 1 sh.
> Fri, 20 Oct 2017 20:22:56 + Alexis paid Agora 1 sh.
> Fri, 20 Oct 2017 20:42:59   Agora paid Telnaior 50 sh.
> Fri, 20 Oct 2017 22:10:24 + ATMunn paid Agora 1 sh.
> Fri, 20 Oct 2017 22:22:59   V.J Rada paid Telnaior 5 sh.
> Sat, 21 Oct 2017 01:52:53 + Aris paid Agora 1 sh.
> Sat, 21 Oct 2017 13:22:34   ATMunn paid Alexis 1 sh.
> Sun, 22 Oct 2017 00:25:22   Agora paid G. 5 sh.
> Sun, 22 Oct 2017 00:51:53   Agora paid G. 5 sh.
> Sun, 22 Oct 2017 12:38:57   Agora paid P.S.S.[1] 10 sh.
> Sun, 22 Oct 2017 18:26:44 + Proposal 7924 ("Contracts v8") enacted
> Sun, 22 Oct 2017 21:52:16 + V.J Rada paid Agora 1 sh.
> Sun, 22 Oct 2017 22:28:06   Alexis paid Aris 2 sh.
> Mon, 23 Oct 2017 00:30:10 + G. paid Agora 1 sh.
> Mon, 23 Oct 2017 06:02:31 + 天火狐 paid Agora 1 sh.
> Mon, 23 Oct 2017 13:19:56 + ATMunn paid Agora 1 sh.
> Tue, 24 Oct 2017 05:53:29   Agora paid V.J Rada 5 sh.
> Tue, 24 Oct 2017 06:19:45   o paid 天火狐 2 sh.
> Tue, 24 Oct 2017 07:08:48   o paid P.S.S.[1] 30 sh.
> Tue, 24 Oct 2017 07:08:48   o paid V.J Rada 30 sh.
> Tue, 24 Oct 2017 17:36:02   V.J Rada paid o 15 sh.
> Wed, 25 Oct 2017 02:18:37 + Aris paid Agora 1 sh.
> Wed, 25 Oct 2017 03:14:55   Agora paid o 5 sh.
> Wed, 25 Oct 2017 03:14:55   o paid V.J Rada 2 sh.
> Wed, 25 Oct 2017 03:22:59 + V.J Rada paid Agora 1 sh.
> - time of last report -
> Wed, 25 Oct 2017 03:39:41   Agora paid 天火狐 5 sh.
> Wed, 25 Oct 2017 04:09:56   Agora paid o 5 sh.
> Wed, 25 Oct 2017 04:30:22 + o paid Agora 8 sh.
> Wed, 25 Oct 2017 05:32:31 + Telnaior created a stamp for 6 sh.
> Wed, 25 Oct 2017 06:14:56   Agora paid ProofTechnique 8 sh.
> Wed, 25 Oct 2017 06:14:56   Agora paid Gaelan 4 sh.
> Wed, 25 Oct 2017 07:18:12 + V.J Rada paid Agora 2 sh.
> Wed, 25 Oct 2017 17:31:21   Agora paid ATMunn 5 sh.
> Thu, 26 Oct 2017 00:20:52   V.J Rada paid Trigon 10 sh.
> Thu, 26 Oct 2017 01:45:43 + V.J Rada paid Agora 2 sh.
> Thu, 26 Oct 2017 03:45:41 + 天火狐 paid Agora 1 sh.
> Thu, 26 Oct 2017 03:45:41   天火狐 paid the contract "Order of the Occult Hand"
>  5 sh. and 1 天火狐 stamp
> Fri, 27 Oct 2017 06:44:23 + o paid Agora 2 sh.
> Fri, 27 Oct 2017 17:35:45   Agora paid G. 2 sh.
> Sat, 28 Oct 2017 01:23:25   Agora paid G. 5 sh.
> Sat, 28 Oct 2017 22:37:41   Aris paid o 5 sh.
> Sun, 29 Oct 2017 03:35:53   Agora paid G. 5 sh.
> Sun, 29 Oct 2017 08:59:45 + V.J Rada paid Agora 2 sh.
> Sun, 29 Oct 2017 08:59:45 + V.J Rada paid Agora 2 sh.
> Sun, 29 Oct 2017 09:03:59 + V.J Rada paid Agora 2 sh.
> Sun, 29 Oct 2017 19:47:54   Agora paid P.S.S.[1] 5 sh.
> Tue, 31 Oct 2017 00:00:36 + V.J Rada paid Agora 1 sh.
> Tue, 31 Oct 2017 00:00:36   V.J Rada paid the contract "isnack 2.0" 

Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Herald] The Honour Roll

[Owen Jacobson]

On Nov 3, 2017, at 5:50 PM, Kerim Aydin  wrote:

> On Fri, 3 Nov 2017, Kerim Aydin wrote:
>>  
>>  The Honour Roll
>>  [Herald's Weekly Report]
>>  
> 
> 
> I pay 6 shinies to Agora to create a stamp.

I cause Agora to distribute 3 sh. as follows:

* 1 sh. to nichdel (tied for least with 18 sh.)
* 1 sh. to V.J Rada (tied for least with 18 sh.)
* 1 sh. to ProofTechnique (winner for least with 18 sh.)

-o



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Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Herald] Thesis Award

[Owen Jacobson]

> On Nov 2, 2017, at 9:12 PM, Alexis Hunt  wrote:
> 
> On Thu, 2 Nov 2017 at 13:28 Alexis Hunt  > wrote:
> I award myself an Indigo Ribbon.
> I also award myself a Green Ribbon, for Tailor.
> 
> H. Herald, I believe that another Patent Title award is also in order, to 
> another distinguished colleague.
> 
> -Alexis
> 
> Also, on the off chance it works, I claim a reward of 20 shinies for being 
> awarded a degree.

It doesn’t (Agora only had 10 sh. at the time), but I believe this reward is 
merited nonetheless.

I give Alexis 20 sh.

-o



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