Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [Proposal] Sets v1.2

2020-05-21 Thread nch via agora-business
On Thursday, May 21, 2020 4:33:12 PM CDT Aris Merchant via agora-discussion 
wrote:
> On Thu, May 21, 2020 at 2:24 PM Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
> 
>  wrote:
> > On 5/21/2020 1:08 PM, nch via agora-business wrote:
> > >   The Treasuror is the auctioneer for this auction, and may order
> > >   the lots
> > >   as e chooses. The minimum bid for this auction is 1 coin.
> > 
> > I'm afraid this part *is* broken though.  I'm sure Trigon isn't cool with
> > being the auctioneer (e may be cool at being the announcer though!)  :)
> 
> I think it might be a good idea to pull this proposal for a week and
> let people keep pointing out errors and proposing tweaks. I get not
> wanting to let it get bogged down indefinitely, but I think people are
> catching enough stuff still that waiting and letting them do their
> work is a better idea than rushing. This is, after all, our next major
> economic system, and it isn't exactly one of those simple one rule
> ones that you can be almost certain has no errors (as illustrated by
> the fact that people keep finding them). I do support the system; I'd
> just prefer that there were more time to debug it before enacting it.
> 
> -Aris

Probably prudent. My rush was for 2 reasons:

1) I'm busy tonight and tomorrow and I assumed distribution was coming in the 
next couple days.

2) I don't want to get bogged down in design-choice debates. That is, I think 
what's written now is good enough to pass and tweak, once its bugfixed. I'm 
afraid of spending a while on debates like "should zombies be allowed to bid 
in auctions" or "how many of each card each month is enough" because we could 
have a million of those debates without ever playing and we'll all have better 
informed opinions on those things once we've been playing.

Regretfully, I withdraw Sets v1.2

Please keep finding things that are broken and recommending fixes!

-- 
nch





BUS: [Proposal] Sets v1.2

2020-05-21 Thread nch via agora-business
This update is mostly based on Aris' comments. I also changed some spots to 
use "earn" and "grant". I'm confident that the core mechanics of this version 
are sound now, and anything that's not quite right can be fixed by later 
proposals. So I'm declaring this the final version unless someone finds a 
serious, game damaging, issue. Thanks for all the feedback everyone!

I submit the following proposal:

{

Title: Sets v1.2
Author: nch
Co-Authors: Trigon, Falsifian, PSS, Jason, Aris
AI: 3

Enact a new Power=1 rule titled "Cards & Sets" with the text:

  Cards are a type of asset with a corresponding Product. Products are
  also assets. The types of Cards and their corresponding Products are:

  * Victory Cards and Victory Points.

  * Justice Cards and Blot-B-Gones

  * Legislative Cards and Pendants

  * Voting Cards and Extra Votes

  A player CAN pay a 'set' of X Cards of the same type to earn Y
  corresponding Products. The value of X determines the value of Y in the
  following ways:

  * 1 Card = 1 Product

  * 2 Cards = 3 Products

  * 3 Cards = 6 Products

  * 4 Cards = 10 Products

  A player CANNOT pay more than 4 Cards as one 'set'.

  Cards and Products are tracked by the Treasuror.

For each player that is not a zombie, grant em 1 card of each type.

[The core of this proposal. Collect cards to make the other assets.]

Amend rule 2499 "Welcome Packages" by replacing:

  When a player receives a Welcome Package, e earns 10 coins.

with:

  When a player receives a Welcome Package, e earns 10 coins and one of
  each type of Card defined in the rules.

[Simple Welcome package addition]

Amend rule 2483 "Economics" by removing the following line:

  A player CAN win the game by paying a fee of 1,000 Coins.

[Ultimately counter to an economy where we want constant trading and asset
movement.]

Enact a new Power=1 rule titled "VP Wins" with the following text:

  If a player has at least 20 more Victory Points than any other player, e
  CAN win by announcement. When a player wins this way, destroy all Cards
  and their corresponding products. Then, for each non-zombie player,
  grant em 1 card of each type.

[Exactly what it says on the tin.]

Amend rule 2555 "Blots" by replacing the following paragraph:

  If a person (the penitent) has neither gained blots nor had more
  than 2 blots expunged from emself in the current Agoran week, then
  any player (the confessor) who has not, by this mechanism,
  expunged any blots in the current Agoran week CAN expunge 1 blot
  from the penitent, by announcement.

with:

  Any player CAN, by announcement, expunge a blot from a specified person
  (or emself if no one is specified) by paying a fee of one Blot-B-Gone.

[Pretty straightforward, now you need to use Blot-B-Gones to get rid of Blots
(except for the fugitive decay, I left that in).]

Amend rule 2350 "Proposals" by replacing:

  Creating a proposal adds it to the Proposal Pool. Once a proposal
  is created, neither its text nor any of the aforementioned
  attributes can be changed. The author (syn. proposer) of a
  proposal is the person who submitted it.

with:

  If a proposal was created in the last week and has not been added to the
  proposal pool, any player CAN add it to the Proposal Pool by paying one
  Pendant. When a player who is not the author or a co-author of a
  proposal adds it to the Proposal Pool by this method, e is added to the 
  list of co-authors.
  
  Once a proposal is created, neither its text nor any of the
  aforementioned attributes can be changed, except by the mechanisms in 
  this rule. The author (syn. proposer) of a proposal is the person who
  submitted it.

  The Promotor CAN, once a week and with 2 support, add a proposal to the
  Proposal Pool. E SHOULD NOT do so if the author of the proposal has at
  least one Pendant or Legislative Card.

[Make Pendants do the pending thing. Making the pender a co-author ties into
lime ribbons/glitter. Add a safeguard to let the promotor pend proposals when
it's otherwise not possible.]

Amend rule 2422 "Voting Strength" by adding:
  
  A player can Buy Strength by paying 1 Extra Vote and specifing a current
  Agoran decision on which e is a voter. For each time a player has Bought
  Strength on a decision, eir voting strength is 1 greater on that
  decision. A player CANNOT Buy Strength for the same decision more than 3
  times.

[This makes proxies pretty flexible actually, maybe too much? But I think it's
fun and can at most double your base power.]

Create a new Power=1 rule titled "VP Auctions" with the following text:

  Once a week the Treasuror CAN and SHOULD initiate an auction. The 
  auction has the following lots:
  
  * one Victory Card, created in the possession of Agora when the auction