DIS: Automation status update

[Edward Murphy]

I've set up a PostgreSQL database with relevant gamestate (as of some
time last Monday) and event log going back to 1/1/2018, and
http://zenith.homelinux.net/adop/report.php which auto-generates all the
things. Next up is to create and use a UI to record new events and
update relevant tables (e.g. report.last_published for a "report
published" event), hopefully within the next few days.

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Rejoice, the Limerickmeister, has FINALLY arrived to grace Agora

[Cuddle Beam]

(obviously)

On Thu, Feb 8, 2018 at 3:31 AM, Cuddle Beam  wrote:

>
> On Thu, Feb 8, 2018 at 3:05 AM, Alex Smith 
> wrote:
>
>> On Thu, 2018-02-08 at 02:58 +0100, Ørjan Johansen wrote:
>> > On Thu, 8 Feb 2018, Madeline wrote:
>> > > On 2018-02-08 12:26, Ørjan Johansen wrote:
>> > >> (I think option 1 is redundant with option 2, anyway. Limericks _do_
>> have
>> > >> rhyming scheme and strict meter.)
>> > >
>> > > I think it kind of works if you treat "Ok so, hear me out" as
>> > spoken rather
>> > > than part of the first line?
>> >
>> > ...No, no it doesn't.
>>
>> Just to support your point here:
>>
>> It's always surprised me how many people don't understand
>> scansion/meter. It's a more important part of poetry than rhyme is.
>>
>> Limericks have a very strict meter, which makes it almost impossible to
>> write a proposal as a single limerick because there's just not enough
>> room to fit in all the necessary boilerplate and a reasonable payload
>> before you run out of syllables. (I guess it'd be less bad if you
>> merely wanted to change the gamestate rather than creating a rule.)
>>
>> --
>> ais523
>>
>
>
> Tsk tsk. Indeed my good sir, but my poem was intended to be read with
> convenient amounts of stammering and lisping in case you didn't notice.
>

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Rejoice, the Limerickmeister, has FINALLY arrived to grace Agora

[Cuddle Beam]

On Thu, Feb 8, 2018 at 3:05 AM, Alex Smith  wrote:

> On Thu, 2018-02-08 at 02:58 +0100, Ørjan Johansen wrote:
> > On Thu, 8 Feb 2018, Madeline wrote:
> > > On 2018-02-08 12:26, Ørjan Johansen wrote:
> > >> (I think option 1 is redundant with option 2, anyway. Limericks _do_
> have
> > >> rhyming scheme and strict meter.)
> > >
> > > I think it kind of works if you treat "Ok so, hear me out" as
> > spoken rather
> > > than part of the first line?
> >
> > ...No, no it doesn't.
>
> Just to support your point here:
>
> It's always surprised me how many people don't understand
> scansion/meter. It's a more important part of poetry than rhyme is.
>
> Limericks have a very strict meter, which makes it almost impossible to
> write a proposal as a single limerick because there's just not enough
> room to fit in all the necessary boilerplate and a reasonable payload
> before you run out of syllables. (I guess it'd be less bad if you
> merely wanted to change the gamestate rather than creating a rule.)
>
> --
> ais523
>


Tsk tsk. Indeed my good sir, but my poem was intended to be read with
convenient amounts of stammering and lisping in case you didn't notice.

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Rejoice, the Limerickmeister, has FINALLY arrived to grace Agora

[Alex Smith]

On Thu, 2018-02-08 at 02:58 +0100, Ørjan Johansen wrote:
> On Thu, 8 Feb 2018, Madeline wrote:
> > On 2018-02-08 12:26, Ørjan Johansen wrote:
> >> (I think option 1 is redundant with option 2, anyway. Limericks _do_ have 
> >> rhyming scheme and strict meter.)
> >
> > I think it kind of works if you treat "Ok so, hear me out" as
> spoken rather 
> > than part of the first line?
> 
> ...No, no it doesn't.

Just to support your point here:

It's always surprised me how many people don't understand
scansion/meter. It's a more important part of poetry than rhyme is.

Limericks have a very strict meter, which makes it almost impossible to
write a proposal as a single limerick because there's just not enough
room to fit in all the necessary boilerplate and a reasonable payload
before you run out of syllables. (I guess it'd be less bad if you
merely wanted to change the gamestate rather than creating a rule.)

-- 
ais523

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Rejoice, the Limerickmeister, has FINALLY arrived to grace Agora

[Ørjan Johansen]

On Thu, 8 Feb 2018, Madeline wrote:


On 2018-02-08 12:26, Ørjan Johansen wrote:

On Wed, 7 Feb 2018, Cuddle Beam wrote:


Ok so, hear me out, this is a limerick about butts
It's pretty good, I've got this down, butts.
give each Agoran a shiny, butts
And a coin, butts
This is a classy proposal - butts butts butts!


Going for the joke option, I take, since it fulfils none of the other 
definitions...


(I think option 1 is redundant with option 2, anyway. Limericks _do_ have 
rhyming scheme and strict meter.)


Greetings,
Ørjan, who laughed, anyhow.


I think it kind of works if you treat "Ok so, hear me out" as spoken rather 
than part of the first line?


...No, no it doesn't.

Greetings,
Ørjan.

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Rejoice, the Limerickmeister, has FINALLY arrived to grace Agora

[Cuddle Beam]

It's a bit subtle but I've used the clever technique of rhyming butts with
butts

On Thu, Feb 8, 2018 at 2:29 AM, Madeline  wrote:

> On 2018-02-08 12:26, Ørjan Johansen wrote:
>
>> On Wed, 7 Feb 2018, Cuddle Beam wrote:
>>
>> Ok so, hear me out, this is a limerick about butts
>>> It's pretty good, I've got this down, butts.
>>> give each Agoran a shiny, butts
>>> And a coin, butts
>>> This is a classy proposal - butts butts butts!
>>>
>>
>> Going for the joke option, I take, since it fulfils none of the other
>> definitions...
>>
>> (I think option 1 is redundant with option 2, anyway. Limericks _do_ have
>> rhyming scheme and strict meter.)
>>
>> Greetings,
>> Ørjan, who laughed, anyhow.
>>
>
> I think it kind of works if you treat "Ok so, hear me out" as spoken
> rather than part of the first line?
>
>

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Rejoice, the Limerickmeister, has FINALLY arrived to grace Agora

[Madeline]

On 2018-02-08 12:26, Ørjan Johansen wrote:

On Wed, 7 Feb 2018, Cuddle Beam wrote:


Ok so, hear me out, this is a limerick about butts
It's pretty good, I've got this down, butts.
give each Agoran a shiny, butts
And a coin, butts
This is a classy proposal - butts butts butts!


Going for the joke option, I take, since it fulfils none of the other 
definitions...


(I think option 1 is redundant with option 2, anyway. Limericks _do_ 
have rhyming scheme and strict meter.)


Greetings,
Ørjan, who laughed, anyhow.


I think it kind of works if you treat "Ok so, hear me out" as spoken 
rather than part of the first line?

DIS: Re: BUS: Rejoice, the Limerickmeister, has FINALLY arrived to grace Agora

[Ørjan Johansen]

On Wed, 7 Feb 2018, Cuddle Beam wrote:


Ok so, hear me out, this is a limerick about butts
It's pretty good, I've got this down, butts.
give each Agoran a shiny, butts
And a coin, butts
This is a classy proposal - butts butts butts!


Going for the joke option, I take, since it fulfils none of the other 
definitions...


(I think option 1 is redundant with option 2, anyway. Limericks _do_ have 
rhyming scheme and strict meter.)


Greetings,
Ørjan, who laughed, anyhow.

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Rulekeepor] Full Logical Ruleset

[Alexis Hunt]

Admitted.

On Wed, 7 Feb 2018 at 00:26 Telnaior  wrote:

> CoE on both the FLR and the SLR: Rule 2507 ("Black Cards") was never
> validly enacted.
>
>
> On 2018-02-07 14:22, Alexis Hunt wrote:
> > 
> > Rule 2507/0 (Power=2.0)
> > Black Cards
> >
> > A Black Card is a card appropriate for a person who plays the
> > game, not currently a player, who either broke the rules while
> not
> > a player or broke them while a player and then deregistered in
> bad
> > faith. A Black Card CANNOT be issued to current players, and no
> > more than 3 Black Cards CAN be issued per week. Any attempt to
> > issue a Black Card in violation of these limitations is
> > INEFFECTIVE.
> >
> > When a Black Card is issued, as a penalty, within the next 7
> days,
> > any player CAN once, with Agoran Consent, Slam the Door at the
> bad
> > sport. After the Door is Slammed at a person, e CANNOT register
> or
> > take any game actions for 30 days, rules to the contrary
> > notwithstanding. Any attempt to Slam the Door on a player or a
> > person whose most recent deregistration took place without eir
> > consent is INEFFECTIVE, rules to the contrary notwithstanding.
> >
> > History:
> > Enacted by Proposal 7886 (Aris; with ais523, Ørjan), Sep 26, 2017
> >
> > Annotations:
>

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Rejoice, the Limerickmeister, has FINALLY arrived to grace Agora

[Cuddle Beam]

>I don't believe the interpretation that I am either but just in case the
CFJ goes towards that I am

Ok I mixed that up lol with the interpretation that SOMEONE ELSE could
become, in my head. Oh gheez lol.

I believe that I myself am, but no that someone else could become.

On Wed, Feb 7, 2018 at 7:38 PM, Cuddle Beam  wrote:

> I don't believe the interpretation that I am either but just in case the
> CFJ goes towards that I am, I did the thing.
>
> "Each Agoran Week a Player is designated the Silly Person. The Silly
> Person SHALL in that week (...) submit a Silly Proposal."
>
> You designated me Silly Person THIS week. So in THAT week (so, this one),
> I've got to submit a Silly Proposal.
>
> On Wed, Feb 7, 2018 at 7:30 PM, Alexis Hunt  wrote:
>
>> Except e isn't yet.
>>
>> On Wed, 7 Feb 2018 at 13:28 ATMunn  wrote:
>>
>> > So this is what happens when CB becomes the silly person...
>> >
>> > On 2/7/2018 12:29 PM, Cuddle Beam wrote:
>> > > Yes it is I, ladies and damsels, the master of muse, the tsar of
>> taste.
>> > >
>> > > Ahem.
>> > >
>> > > *clears throat with some yodeling*
>> > >
>> > > Indeed, I hereby create the following proposal named "An utmost
>> excellent
>> > > proposal" with the content below, then I pend it with shinies:
>> > >
>> > > Ok so, hear me out, this is a limerick about butts
>> > > It's pretty good, I've got this down, butts.
>> > > give each Agoran a shiny, butts
>> > > And a coin, butts
>> > > This is a classy proposal - butts butts butts!
>> > >
>> >
>>
>
>

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Rejoice, the Limerickmeister, has FINALLY arrived to grace Agora

[Cuddle Beam]

Oh true. What I pointed out is a different thing, woops.

Well I guess I can just don the lyre again lol.

On Wed, Feb 7, 2018 at 7:42 PM, Alexis Hunt  wrote:

> I designated you as next week's, not this week's.
>
> On Wed, 7 Feb 2018 at 13:38 Cuddle Beam  wrote:
>
> > I don't believe the interpretation that I am either but just in case the
> > CFJ goes towards that I am, I did the thing.
> >
> > "Each Agoran Week a Player is designated the Silly Person. The Silly
> Person
> > SHALL in that week (...) submit a Silly Proposal."
> >
> > You designated me Silly Person THIS week. So in THAT week (so, this one),
> > I've got to submit a Silly Proposal.
> >
> > On Wed, Feb 7, 2018 at 7:30 PM, Alexis Hunt  wrote:
> >
> > > Except e isn't yet.
> > >
> > > On Wed, 7 Feb 2018 at 13:28 ATMunn  wrote:
> > >
> > > > So this is what happens when CB becomes the silly person...
> > > >
> > > > On 2/7/2018 12:29 PM, Cuddle Beam wrote:
> > > > > Yes it is I, ladies and damsels, the master of muse, the tsar of
> > taste.
> > > > >
> > > > > Ahem.
> > > > >
> > > > > *clears throat with some yodeling*
> > > > >
> > > > > Indeed, I hereby create the following proposal named "An utmost
> > > excellent
> > > > > proposal" with the content below, then I pend it with shinies:
> > > > >
> > > > > Ok so, hear me out, this is a limerick about butts
> > > > > It's pretty good, I've got this down, butts.
> > > > > give each Agoran a shiny, butts
> > > > > And a coin, butts
> > > > > This is a classy proposal - butts butts butts!
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
>

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Rejoice, the Limerickmeister, has FINALLY arrived to grace Agora

[Alexis Hunt]

I designated you as next week's, not this week's.

On Wed, 7 Feb 2018 at 13:38 Cuddle Beam  wrote:

> I don't believe the interpretation that I am either but just in case the
> CFJ goes towards that I am, I did the thing.
>
> "Each Agoran Week a Player is designated the Silly Person. The Silly Person
> SHALL in that week (...) submit a Silly Proposal."
>
> You designated me Silly Person THIS week. So in THAT week (so, this one),
> I've got to submit a Silly Proposal.
>
> On Wed, Feb 7, 2018 at 7:30 PM, Alexis Hunt  wrote:
>
> > Except e isn't yet.
> >
> > On Wed, 7 Feb 2018 at 13:28 ATMunn  wrote:
> >
> > > So this is what happens when CB becomes the silly person...
> > >
> > > On 2/7/2018 12:29 PM, Cuddle Beam wrote:
> > > > Yes it is I, ladies and damsels, the master of muse, the tsar of
> taste.
> > > >
> > > > Ahem.
> > > >
> > > > *clears throat with some yodeling*
> > > >
> > > > Indeed, I hereby create the following proposal named "An utmost
> > excellent
> > > > proposal" with the content below, then I pend it with shinies:
> > > >
> > > > Ok so, hear me out, this is a limerick about butts
> > > > It's pretty good, I've got this down, butts.
> > > > give each Agoran a shiny, butts
> > > > And a coin, butts
> > > > This is a classy proposal - butts butts butts!
> > > >
> > >
> >
>

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Rejoice, the Limerickmeister, has FINALLY arrived to grace Agora

[Cuddle Beam]

I don't believe the interpretation that I am either but just in case the
CFJ goes towards that I am, I did the thing.

"Each Agoran Week a Player is designated the Silly Person. The Silly Person
SHALL in that week (...) submit a Silly Proposal."

You designated me Silly Person THIS week. So in THAT week (so, this one),
I've got to submit a Silly Proposal.

On Wed, Feb 7, 2018 at 7:30 PM, Alexis Hunt  wrote:

> Except e isn't yet.
>
> On Wed, 7 Feb 2018 at 13:28 ATMunn  wrote:
>
> > So this is what happens when CB becomes the silly person...
> >
> > On 2/7/2018 12:29 PM, Cuddle Beam wrote:
> > > Yes it is I, ladies and damsels, the master of muse, the tsar of taste.
> > >
> > > Ahem.
> > >
> > > *clears throat with some yodeling*
> > >
> > > Indeed, I hereby create the following proposal named "An utmost
> excellent
> > > proposal" with the content below, then I pend it with shinies:
> > >
> > > Ok so, hear me out, this is a limerick about butts
> > > It's pretty good, I've got this down, butts.
> > > give each Agoran a shiny, butts
> > > And a coin, butts
> > > This is a classy proposal - butts butts butts!
> > >
> >
>

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Voluntary silliness

[Kerim Aydin]

Yah I was 50/50 on it myself - tag is a perfect metaphor and that convinces
me.  Though no reason we can't combine maybe (only the Silly Person gets a 
free pending and it's still a requirement, but anyone can participate to get 
to 3 they can get the title...?)

On Wed, 7 Feb 2018, Cuddle Beam wrote:
> I think this would hamper the fun of the mechanic. Like, playing Tag or
> Spin the Bottle but you can just voluntarily be It or the person chosen is
> a bit weird.
> 
> On Wed, Feb 7, 2018 at 7:10 PM, Kerim Aydin  wrote:
> 
> >
> >
> > Proposal, Voluntary Silliness, AI-1:
> >
> > 
> > [Make Silliness voluntary but offer a reward.  Disadvantage is I kind of
> > like requiring a range of people to take the role who might not do so
> > voluntarily.]
> >
> > Amend Rule 1650 (Silliness) to read in full:
> >
> >  A Silly Proposal is a Proposal whose sole contents are one of
> >   the following:
> >
> >   i) A limerick.
> >
> >   ii) A poem with a rhyme scheme and/or strict metrical structure no
> >   longer than 14 lines (No free verse!)
> >
> >   iii) A joke or truly hideous pun of no more than a two hundred
> >words.
> >
> >   The first Silly Proposal submitted in an Agoran Week is an
> >   Official Proposal.
> >
> >   If a Player has been the author of three Silly Proposals that
> >   have been adopted within the past year, the Herald CAN and SHOULD
> >   award em the Patent Title Comic by announcement.
> >
> >
> > [Thought about using Bard, but seemed more of a carrot to offer a brand
> > new title].
> >
> > 
> >
> >
> >
>

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Rejoice, the Limerickmeister, has FINALLY arrived to grace Agora

[Alexis Hunt]

Except e isn't yet.

On Wed, 7 Feb 2018 at 13:28 ATMunn  wrote:

> So this is what happens when CB becomes the silly person...
>
> On 2/7/2018 12:29 PM, Cuddle Beam wrote:
> > Yes it is I, ladies and damsels, the master of muse, the tsar of taste.
> >
> > Ahem.
> >
> > *clears throat with some yodeling*
> >
> > Indeed, I hereby create the following proposal named "An utmost excellent
> > proposal" with the content below, then I pend it with shinies:
> >
> > Ok so, hear me out, this is a limerick about butts
> > It's pretty good, I've got this down, butts.
> > give each Agoran a shiny, butts
> > And a coin, butts
> > This is a classy proposal - butts butts butts!
> >
>

DIS: Re: BUS: Rejoice, the Limerickmeister, has FINALLY arrived to grace Agora

[ATMunn]

So this is what happens when CB becomes the silly person...

On 2/7/2018 12:29 PM, Cuddle Beam wrote:

Yes it is I, ladies and damsels, the master of muse, the tsar of taste.

Ahem.

*clears throat with some yodeling*

Indeed, I hereby create the following proposal named "An utmost excellent
proposal" with the content below, then I pend it with shinies:

Ok so, hear me out, this is a limerick about butts
It's pretty good, I've got this down, butts.
give each Agoran a shiny, butts
And a coin, butts
This is a classy proposal - butts butts butts!

DIS: Re: BUS: Voluntary silliness

[Cuddle Beam]

I think this would hamper the fun of the mechanic. Like, playing Tag or
Spin the Bottle but you can just voluntarily be It or the person chosen is
a bit weird.

On Wed, Feb 7, 2018 at 7:10 PM, Kerim Aydin  wrote:

>
>
> Proposal, Voluntary Silliness, AI-1:
>
> 
> [Make Silliness voluntary but offer a reward.  Disadvantage is I kind of
> like requiring a range of people to take the role who might not do so
> voluntarily.]
>
> Amend Rule 1650 (Silliness) to read in full:
>
>  A Silly Proposal is a Proposal whose sole contents are one of
>   the following:
>
>   i) A limerick.
>
>   ii) A poem with a rhyme scheme and/or strict metrical structure no
>   longer than 14 lines (No free verse!)
>
>   iii) A joke or truly hideous pun of no more than a two hundred
>words.
>
>   The first Silly Proposal submitted in an Agoran Week is an
>   Official Proposal.
>
>   If a Player has been the author of three Silly Proposals that
>   have been adopted within the past year, the Herald CAN and SHOULD
>   award em the Patent Title Comic by announcement.
>
>
> [Thought about using Bard, but seemed more of a carrot to offer a brand
> new title].
>
> 
>
>
>

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Designation

[Cuddle Beam]

This is how I've been reading it too. There is no "whoever you designate,
becomes Silly Person." kind of thing.

On Wed, Feb 7, 2018 at 6:21 PM, Alexis Hunt  wrote:

> My read is that "The Silly Person SHALL in that week, by announcement (1)
> designate another player, who has not been the Silly Person in the past two
> weeks, to be the next week's Silly Person;" fails because it doesn't
> specify a method. But "If there is ever no Silly Person or the Silly Person
> is not a player, then the next week's Silly Person is the first player that
> any player publicly designates to be the next week's Silly Person."
> succeeds because it explicitly provides a mechanism.
>
> On Wed, 7 Feb 2018 at 12:11 Cuddle Beam  wrote:
>
> > What stops me from designating by announcement anyone at any moment,
> then?
> > The SHALL only puts restrictions as you say, but to be restricted into
> the
> > shape of that I should only do it during a certain week, I must've had
> > those powers all along. (And SHALL isn't even a full mechanical
> > restriction, its just cardbait)
> >
> > So, with the power of designation which I've had all along (would I not
> be
> > the Silly Person right now), I can declare anyone the Silly Person
> anytime.
> > No?
> >
> >
> > On Wed, Feb 7, 2018 at 6:00 PM, Kerim Aydin 
> > wrote:
> >
> > >
> > >
> > > Well there's a public ("by announcement) requirement and a week's
> > > delay, but yes...
> > >
> > > (also, even if it fails to *make* me the silly person, you can
> > > still do the designation and are required to.  Worst case scenario
> > > you still MUST submit a proposal and make a designation announcement,
> > > even if it doesn't take).
> > >
> > > On Wed, 7 Feb 2018, Cuddle Beam wrote:
> > > > So, if I just say now "I designate G as the Silly Person", you become
> > it?
> > > >
> > > > On Wed, Feb 7, 2018 at 5:52 PM, Kerim Aydin 
> > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Um, you *already* CAN submit a proposal.  That's described
> elsewhere.
> > > > >
> > > > > You already CAN designate someone as something - it's a speech
> > > > > act by common definition.
> > > > >
> > > > > This just puts a SHALL on doing those things in specific ways.
> > > > >
> > > > > No CANs required.  Not broken.
> > > > >
> > > > > On Wed, 7 Feb 2018, Cuddle Beam wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > It's got a SHALL, not CAN
> > > > > >
> > > > > > R1650 doesn't give you any powers to actually do what this SHALL
> is
> > > > > > commanding you to.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > On Wed, Feb 7, 2018 at 5:14 PM, Kerim Aydin <
> > ke...@u.washington.edu>
> > > > > wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > How was it broken?  I thought we used it successfully for a
> > > > > > > while and then just forgot.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > On Wed, 7 Feb 2018, ATMunn wrote:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > did the rule for get get fixed?
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > On 2/6/2018 9:53 PM, Alexis Hunt wrote:
> > > > > > > > > I designate Cuddle Beam as next week's Silly Person.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > -Alexis
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
>

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Designation

[Kerim Aydin]

Think of it this way.  By R2152, CAN is simply a shorthand definition
for "Attempts to perform the described action are successful."  There
are other ways to write the same thing - synonyms for CAN.

The rule says:  There IS a designated silly person - that was successfully
designated by designation publicly of previous week silly person.  
Basically a synonym for CAN.

I see the issue that the Silly person could designate multiple people
during that week, which would indeed cause problems.  But if you stop
being the the silly person, you fall outside of that overall ability.


On Wed, 7 Feb 2018, Cuddle Beam wrote:
> What stops me from designating by announcement anyone at any moment, then?
> The SHALL only puts restrictions as you say, but to be restricted into the
> shape of that I should only do it during a certain week, I must've had
> those powers all along. (And SHALL isn't even a full mechanical
> restriction, its just cardbait)
> 
> So, with the power of designation which I've had all along (would I not be
> the Silly Person right now), I can declare anyone the Silly Person anytime.
> No?
> 
> 
> On Wed, Feb 7, 2018 at 6:00 PM, Kerim Aydin  wrote:
> 
> >
> >
> > Well there's a public ("by announcement) requirement and a week's
> > delay, but yes...
> >
> > (also, even if it fails to *make* me the silly person, you can
> > still do the designation and are required to.  Worst case scenario
> > you still MUST submit a proposal and make a designation announcement,
> > even if it doesn't take).
> >
> > On Wed, 7 Feb 2018, Cuddle Beam wrote:
> > > So, if I just say now "I designate G as the Silly Person", you become it?
> > >
> > > On Wed, Feb 7, 2018 at 5:52 PM, Kerim Aydin 
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Um, you *already* CAN submit a proposal.  That's described elsewhere.
> > > >
> > > > You already CAN designate someone as something - it's a speech
> > > > act by common definition.
> > > >
> > > > This just puts a SHALL on doing those things in specific ways.
> > > >
> > > > No CANs required.  Not broken.
> > > >
> > > > On Wed, 7 Feb 2018, Cuddle Beam wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > It's got a SHALL, not CAN
> > > > >
> > > > > R1650 doesn't give you any powers to actually do what this SHALL is
> > > > > commanding you to.
> > > > >
> > > > > On Wed, Feb 7, 2018 at 5:14 PM, Kerim Aydin 
> > > > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > How was it broken?  I thought we used it successfully for a
> > > > > > while and then just forgot.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > On Wed, 7 Feb 2018, ATMunn wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > did the rule for get get fixed?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > On 2/6/2018 9:53 PM, Alexis Hunt wrote:
> > > > > > > > I designate Cuddle Beam as next week's Silly Person.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > -Alexis
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
> >
>

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Designation

[Alexis Hunt]

My read is that "The Silly Person SHALL in that week, by announcement (1)
designate another player, who has not been the Silly Person in the past two
weeks, to be the next week's Silly Person;" fails because it doesn't
specify a method. But "If there is ever no Silly Person or the Silly Person
is not a player, then the next week's Silly Person is the first player that
any player publicly designates to be the next week's Silly Person."
succeeds because it explicitly provides a mechanism.

On Wed, 7 Feb 2018 at 12:11 Cuddle Beam  wrote:

> What stops me from designating by announcement anyone at any moment, then?
> The SHALL only puts restrictions as you say, but to be restricted into the
> shape of that I should only do it during a certain week, I must've had
> those powers all along. (And SHALL isn't even a full mechanical
> restriction, its just cardbait)
>
> So, with the power of designation which I've had all along (would I not be
> the Silly Person right now), I can declare anyone the Silly Person anytime.
> No?
>
>
> On Wed, Feb 7, 2018 at 6:00 PM, Kerim Aydin 
> wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > Well there's a public ("by announcement) requirement and a week's
> > delay, but yes...
> >
> > (also, even if it fails to *make* me the silly person, you can
> > still do the designation and are required to.  Worst case scenario
> > you still MUST submit a proposal and make a designation announcement,
> > even if it doesn't take).
> >
> > On Wed, 7 Feb 2018, Cuddle Beam wrote:
> > > So, if I just say now "I designate G as the Silly Person", you become
> it?
> > >
> > > On Wed, Feb 7, 2018 at 5:52 PM, Kerim Aydin 
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Um, you *already* CAN submit a proposal.  That's described elsewhere.
> > > >
> > > > You already CAN designate someone as something - it's a speech
> > > > act by common definition.
> > > >
> > > > This just puts a SHALL on doing those things in specific ways.
> > > >
> > > > No CANs required.  Not broken.
> > > >
> > > > On Wed, 7 Feb 2018, Cuddle Beam wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > It's got a SHALL, not CAN
> > > > >
> > > > > R1650 doesn't give you any powers to actually do what this SHALL is
> > > > > commanding you to.
> > > > >
> > > > > On Wed, Feb 7, 2018 at 5:14 PM, Kerim Aydin <
> ke...@u.washington.edu>
> > > > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > How was it broken?  I thought we used it successfully for a
> > > > > > while and then just forgot.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > On Wed, 7 Feb 2018, ATMunn wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > did the rule for get get fixed?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > On 2/6/2018 9:53 PM, Alexis Hunt wrote:
> > > > > > > > I designate Cuddle Beam as next week's Silly Person.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > -Alexis
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
> >
>

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Designation

[Cuddle Beam]

What stops me from designating by announcement anyone at any moment, then?
The SHALL only puts restrictions as you say, but to be restricted into the
shape of that I should only do it during a certain week, I must've had
those powers all along. (And SHALL isn't even a full mechanical
restriction, its just cardbait)

So, with the power of designation which I've had all along (would I not be
the Silly Person right now), I can declare anyone the Silly Person anytime.
No?


On Wed, Feb 7, 2018 at 6:00 PM, Kerim Aydin  wrote:

>
>
> Well there's a public ("by announcement) requirement and a week's
> delay, but yes...
>
> (also, even if it fails to *make* me the silly person, you can
> still do the designation and are required to.  Worst case scenario
> you still MUST submit a proposal and make a designation announcement,
> even if it doesn't take).
>
> On Wed, 7 Feb 2018, Cuddle Beam wrote:
> > So, if I just say now "I designate G as the Silly Person", you become it?
> >
> > On Wed, Feb 7, 2018 at 5:52 PM, Kerim Aydin 
> wrote:
> >
> > >
> > >
> > > Um, you *already* CAN submit a proposal.  That's described elsewhere.
> > >
> > > You already CAN designate someone as something - it's a speech
> > > act by common definition.
> > >
> > > This just puts a SHALL on doing those things in specific ways.
> > >
> > > No CANs required.  Not broken.
> > >
> > > On Wed, 7 Feb 2018, Cuddle Beam wrote:
> > >
> > > > It's got a SHALL, not CAN
> > > >
> > > > R1650 doesn't give you any powers to actually do what this SHALL is
> > > > commanding you to.
> > > >
> > > > On Wed, Feb 7, 2018 at 5:14 PM, Kerim Aydin 
> > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > How was it broken?  I thought we used it successfully for a
> > > > > while and then just forgot.
> > > > >
> > > > > On Wed, 7 Feb 2018, ATMunn wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > did the rule for get get fixed?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > On 2/6/2018 9:53 PM, Alexis Hunt wrote:
> > > > > > > I designate Cuddle Beam as next week's Silly Person.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > -Alexis
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
>
>

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Designation

[Kerim Aydin]

Well there's a public ("by announcement) requirement and a week's 
delay, but yes...

(also, even if it fails to *make* me the silly person, you can
still do the designation and are required to.  Worst case scenario
you still MUST submit a proposal and make a designation announcement, 
even if it doesn't take).

On Wed, 7 Feb 2018, Cuddle Beam wrote:
> So, if I just say now "I designate G as the Silly Person", you become it?
> 
> On Wed, Feb 7, 2018 at 5:52 PM, Kerim Aydin  wrote:
> 
> >
> >
> > Um, you *already* CAN submit a proposal.  That's described elsewhere.
> >
> > You already CAN designate someone as something - it's a speech
> > act by common definition.
> >
> > This just puts a SHALL on doing those things in specific ways.
> >
> > No CANs required.  Not broken.
> >
> > On Wed, 7 Feb 2018, Cuddle Beam wrote:
> >
> > > It's got a SHALL, not CAN
> > >
> > > R1650 doesn't give you any powers to actually do what this SHALL is
> > > commanding you to.
> > >
> > > On Wed, Feb 7, 2018 at 5:14 PM, Kerim Aydin 
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > How was it broken?  I thought we used it successfully for a
> > > > while and then just forgot.
> > > >
> > > > On Wed, 7 Feb 2018, ATMunn wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > did the rule for get get fixed?
> > > > >
> > > > > On 2/6/2018 9:53 PM, Alexis Hunt wrote:
> > > > > > I designate Cuddle Beam as next week's Silly Person.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > -Alexis
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
> >
>

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Designation

[Cuddle Beam]

So, if I just say now "I designate G as the Silly Person", you become it?

On Wed, Feb 7, 2018 at 5:52 PM, Kerim Aydin  wrote:

>
>
> Um, you *already* CAN submit a proposal.  That's described elsewhere.
>
> You already CAN designate someone as something - it's a speech
> act by common definition.
>
> This just puts a SHALL on doing those things in specific ways.
>
> No CANs required.  Not broken.
>
> On Wed, 7 Feb 2018, Cuddle Beam wrote:
>
> > It's got a SHALL, not CAN
> >
> > R1650 doesn't give you any powers to actually do what this SHALL is
> > commanding you to.
> >
> > On Wed, Feb 7, 2018 at 5:14 PM, Kerim Aydin 
> wrote:
> >
> > >
> > >
> > > How was it broken?  I thought we used it successfully for a
> > > while and then just forgot.
> > >
> > > On Wed, 7 Feb 2018, ATMunn wrote:
> > > >
> > > > did the rule for get get fixed?
> > > >
> > > > On 2/6/2018 9:53 PM, Alexis Hunt wrote:
> > > > > I designate Cuddle Beam as next week's Silly Person.
> > > > >
> > > > > -Alexis
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
>
>

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Designation

[Kerim Aydin]

Um, you *already* CAN submit a proposal.  That's described elsewhere.

You already CAN designate someone as something - it's a speech
act by common definition.

This just puts a SHALL on doing those things in specific ways.

No CANs required.  Not broken.

On Wed, 7 Feb 2018, Cuddle Beam wrote:

> It's got a SHALL, not CAN
> 
> R1650 doesn't give you any powers to actually do what this SHALL is
> commanding you to.
> 
> On Wed, Feb 7, 2018 at 5:14 PM, Kerim Aydin  wrote:
> 
> >
> >
> > How was it broken?  I thought we used it successfully for a
> > while and then just forgot.
> >
> > On Wed, 7 Feb 2018, ATMunn wrote:
> > >
> > > did the rule for get get fixed?
> > >
> > > On 2/6/2018 9:53 PM, Alexis Hunt wrote:
> > > > I designate Cuddle Beam as next week's Silly Person.
> > > >
> > > > -Alexis
> > > >
> > >
> >
> >
>

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Designation

[Alexis Hunt]

Ah yes, that is broken. But the process of designating a silly person when
there is none is not broken, so this assignment succeeds.

On Wed, 7 Feb 2018 at 11:34 Cuddle Beam  wrote:

> It's got a SHALL, not CAN
>
> R1650 doesn't give you any powers to actually do what this SHALL is
> commanding you to.
>
> On Wed, Feb 7, 2018 at 5:14 PM, Kerim Aydin 
> wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > How was it broken?  I thought we used it successfully for a
> > while and then just forgot.
> >
> > On Wed, 7 Feb 2018, ATMunn wrote:
> > >
> > > did the rule for get get fixed?
> > >
> > > On 2/6/2018 9:53 PM, Alexis Hunt wrote:
> > > > I designate Cuddle Beam as next week's Silly Person.
> > > >
> > > > -Alexis
> > > >
> > >
> >
> >
>

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Designation

[Cuddle Beam]

It's got a SHALL, not CAN

R1650 doesn't give you any powers to actually do what this SHALL is
commanding you to.

On Wed, Feb 7, 2018 at 5:14 PM, Kerim Aydin  wrote:

>
>
> How was it broken?  I thought we used it successfully for a
> while and then just forgot.
>
> On Wed, 7 Feb 2018, ATMunn wrote:
> >
> > did the rule for get get fixed?
> >
> > On 2/6/2018 9:53 PM, Alexis Hunt wrote:
> > > I designate Cuddle Beam as next week's Silly Person.
> > >
> > > -Alexis
> > >
> >
>
>

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Designation

[Kerim Aydin]

How was it broken?  I thought we used it successfully for a
while and then just forgot.

On Wed, 7 Feb 2018, ATMunn wrote:
>
> did the rule for get get fixed?
> 
> On 2/6/2018 9:53 PM, Alexis Hunt wrote:
> > I designate Cuddle Beam as next week's Silly Person.
> > 
> > -Alexis
> > 
>

DIS: Re: BUS: Designation

[ATMunn]

did the rule for get get fixed?

On 2/6/2018 9:53 PM, Alexis Hunt wrote:

I designate Cuddle Beam as next week's Silly Person.

-Alexis