Re: DIS: Re: BUS: (@treasuror) snitching awards

[Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion]

On 1/23/2022 4:34 PM, ais523 via agora-discussion wrote:
> On Sun, 2022-01-23 at 16:24 -0800, Kerim Aydin via agora-business wrote:
>> [Note:  While the Arbitor's office has been vacant and I've been referee,
>> I've been purposefully leaving a few days between my finger-pointing and
>> deputisation to resolve finger-points, so anyone else can do it if they
>> want, if it seems like too much self-interest].
> 
> Perhaps we should probably adjust Rule 2472 to place a SHALL NOT on
> officers deputising for an incompatible office? (A CANNOT wouldn't
> work, both for power reasons, and because there would be a workaround
> of resigning your office and then deputising for it to get it back –
> besides, the capability seems useful for recovering in an emergency.)

This isn't about incompatible offices exactly - for example if it were the
referee that was vacant, anyone could do what I was doing without
involving the arbitor.  It's more about having an office lie empty that
anyone can grab to do the fine-levying for fingers they themselves pointed.

I was thinking the fix was adding a "you CANNOT resolve a finger that you
yourself pointed, including through deputisation"?

-G.

DIS: Re: BUS: Mad Engineer weekly random rule selection

[ais523 via agora-discussion]

On Mon, 2022-01-24 at 01:40 +0100, nethack4.org dicebot via agora-
business wrote:
> The dice roll was: 125
> This is R2629, Victory Auctions.

For reference:
{{{
  The Treasuror CAN conduct an auction (a "victory auction") if no
  victory auction is ongoing.  The Treasuror MUST do so at least
  once a month, and SHOULD do so at least twice each month.
  
  A victory auction includes the following lots:
  
  * one new Win Card.
  
  * all of any single type of card or product, currently owned by
the Lost and Found Department, if any.
  
  The currency of a victory auction is coins (minimum bid 1).
}}}

Any suggestions?

I'd love to be able to create a "device auction", but it seems a bit
boring for them to be no different from victory auctions. Maybe we just
take the first paragraph and then try to work out what the lots are?

-- 
ais523
Mad Scientist

DIS: Re: BUS: (@treasuror) snitching awards

[ais523 via agora-discussion]

On Sun, 2022-01-23 at 16:24 -0800, Kerim Aydin via agora-business wrote:
> [Note:  While the Arbitor's office has been vacant and I've been referee,
> I've been purposefully leaving a few days between my finger-pointing and
> deputisation to resolve finger-points, so anyone else can do it if they
> want, if it seems like too much self-interest].

Perhaps we should probably adjust Rule 2472 to place a SHALL NOT on
officers deputising for an incompatible office? (A CANNOT wouldn't
work, both for power reasons, and because there would be a workaround
of resigning your office and then deputising for it to get it back –
besides, the capability seems useful for recovering in an emergency.)

-- 
ais523

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: blotting for purpose

[Trigon via agora-discussion]

El 23/01/2022 a las 22:49, Kerim Aydin via agora-business escribió:


On 1/23/2022 2:45 PM, Kerim Aydin wrote:

I levy a fine of 1 blot on Trigon (by paying a fee of 2 BBG) because e
might be close to winning.

-G.


I, again, levy a fine of 1 blot on Trigon (by paying a fee of 2 BBG)
because e might be close to winning.  -G.





Rude.

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Re: DIS: Re: BUS: (@treasuror, @promotor) [proposal] basic scoring

[Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion]

On 1/23/2022 1:56 PM, Jason Cobb via agora-discussion wrote:
> On 1/23/22 16:53, ais523 via agora-discussion wrote:
>> On Sun, 2022-01-23 at 13:49 -0800, Kerim Aydin via agora-business wrote:
>>>   * Having submitted an unconditional ballot AGAINST a referendum to
>>> adopt a sponsored proposal, provided that the ballot is valid at
>>> the time the referendum is assessed, and provided that the outcome
>>> of that assessment is ADOPTED:  points equal to the voting
>>> player's voting strength on the referendum (Assessor).
>> This is inherently prone to timing scams – it gives an incentive to
>> change your vote to AGAINST at the very last moment, as long as the
>> proposal would still pass regardless.
>>
> 
> (Joke) solution: the proposal says "change that player's score by the
> indicated amount of points", not "increment that player's score", so
> I'll use my discretion in the direction of change to punish people who
> do that.
> 

lol, I wrestled back in forth on whether I needed to say "positive unless
included otherwise" but then decided that a cfj would likely find "change
N by X" to be addition (and the sign of X is positive if not explicitly
negative of course).  I suppose I should have used "add" which would have
had the same effect and been more explicit.

On 1/23/2022 1:53 PM, ais523 via agora-discussion wrote:
> This is inherently prone to timing scams – it gives an incentive to
> change your vote to AGAINST at the very last moment, as long as the
> proposal would still pass regardless.

Yup, and if more than one person have that idea and all change at about
the same time, the proposal might fail - that's part of the fun of it...
(at least, that strategy was by design in my mind, it's possible of course
that it wouldn't end up being fun).

-G.

Re: DIS: Re: (@Tailor, Treasuror) Re: BUS: (@referee) cold hands

[Trigon via agora-discussion]

El 23/01/2022 a las 21:37, ais523 via agora-discussion escribió:

On Sun, 2022-01-23 at 21:33 +, Trigon via agora-discussion wrote:

Apologies, but I do not understand why I was tagged here. Am I
missing something I need to record?


It was a mistake – sorry for the false alarm. I was under the false
impression that you tracked Blots, and tagged for that reason, but of
course you don't.



No, I really appreciate it! Tagging makes my job a lot easier and I 
appreciate your attempts. Just wanted to make sure I wasn't missing 
anything.


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Re: DIS: Re: BUS: (@treasuror, @promotor) [proposal] basic scoring

[Jason Cobb via agora-discussion]

On 1/23/22 16:53, ais523 via agora-discussion wrote:
> On Sun, 2022-01-23 at 13:49 -0800, Kerim Aydin via agora-business wrote:
>>   * Having submitted an unconditional ballot AGAINST a referendum to
>> adopt a sponsored proposal, provided that the ballot is valid at
>> the time the referendum is assessed, and provided that the outcome
>> of that assessment is ADOPTED:  points equal to the voting
>> player's voting strength on the referendum (Assessor).
> This is inherently prone to timing scams – it gives an incentive to
> change your vote to AGAINST at the very last moment, as long as the
> proposal would still pass regardless.
>

(Joke) solution: the proposal says "change that player's score by the
indicated amount of points", not "increment that player's score", so
I'll use my discretion in the direction of change to punish people who
do that.

-- 
Jason Cobb

Assessor, Rulekeepor, S​tonemason

DIS: Re: BUS: (@treasuror, @promotor) [proposal] basic scoring

[ais523 via agora-discussion]

On Sun, 2022-01-23 at 13:49 -0800, Kerim Aydin via agora-business wrote:
>   * Having submitted an unconditional ballot AGAINST a referendum to
> adopt a sponsored proposal, provided that the ballot is valid at
> the time the referendum is assessed, and provided that the outcome
> of that assessment is ADOPTED:  points equal to the voting
> player's voting strength on the referendum (Assessor).

This is inherently prone to timing scams – it gives an incentive to
change your vote to AGAINST at the very last moment, as long as the
proposal would still pass regardless.

-- 
ais523

Re: DIS: Re: (@Tailor, Treasuror) Re: BUS: (@referee) cold hands

[ais523 via agora-discussion]

On Sun, 2022-01-23 at 21:33 +, Trigon via agora-discussion wrote:
> Apologies, but I do not understand why I was tagged here. Am I
> missing something I need to record?

It was a mistake – sorry for the false alarm. I was under the false
impression that you tracked Blots, and tagged for that reason, but of
course you don't.

-- 
ais523

DIS: Re: (@Tailor, Treasuror) Re: BUS: (@referee) cold hands

[Trigon via agora-discussion]

El 23/01/2022 a las 20:12, ais523 via agora-business escribió:

On Sun, 2022-01-23 at 12:01 -0800, Kerim Aydin via agora-business
wrote:

On 1/13/2022 1:16 PM, Kerim Aydin wrote:

As Prime Minister I appoint Aspen to the office of Speaker.
Congratulations!


I point a finger at myself for failure to perform the above task in a
timely fashion after the requirement arose (as per R103).  I note that
in this case I CANNOT temporarily deputize for the Arbitor to resolve
this, as I am the perp (R2478).


I remind others that I am unable to resolve this.


I temporarily deputise for the Arbitor (the finger was pointed by the
Referee) to impose a CHoJ on G. for this violation, levying a fine of 1
blot. This was not a time-critical violation, was self-reported, and
was fixed by the perp emself, so only a minimal fine is appropriate.

I award myself Cyan Glitter.



Apologies, but I do not understand why I was tagged here. Am I missing 
something I need to record?


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Trigon

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I hereby
don't... trust... the dragon...
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