Re: DIS: Agoran MOO?
Right. The only reason we knew it as a MUD not a MOO is because the term "MOO" hadn't been coined yet. I stand by my characterization of MW as running on a MOO based on my understanding of the MUD/MOO distinction. On 11/16/19, Kerim Aydin wrote: > > Yeah, I remember distinctly hearing the word MOO for the first time > sometime > after NW. We definitely called it a MUD. Only a few people (exclusively > Monash University I think) were granted wizard/programming privileges - > that > was one of the difficulties with using that forum for Nomic, it gave them a > bit too much unacknowledged clout over "reality" (i.e. what was POSSIBLE). > > On 11/16/2019 4:56 PM, Ørjan Johansen wrote: >> It was 1992 (As You Know, Agora is from 1993), and the meaning of the >> words >> may have shifted, but I don't think people would have called Nomic World a >> >> MOO at the time. I never got a look at its actual source code, but as I >> recall the interface resembled more LPMud (the MUD style I was already >> familiar with) than MOOs (I don't think I'd ever been on an actual MOO at >> >> the time, not that I've spent much time since either - my MUD days had >> mostly ended around the time of Nomic World.) >> >> Greetings, >> Ørjan. >> >> On Sat, 16 Nov 2019, David Nicol wrote: >> >>> Nomic World started as a MOO in 1994 or thenabouts. Agora began, on its >>> first mailing list, after the fellow who was maintaining it graduated >>> from >>> college and didn't want to take that hobby with into The So-Called Real >>> World. It had discussion rooms and a voting room where players could >>> register their weigh-ins on whatever was currently proposed for voting. >>> >>> Fantasy Rules Committee began as a committee in Nomic World, before >>> Agora >>> existed. >>> >>> Lurking old guy signing off :) >>> >>> >>> >>> On Mon, Nov 11, 2019 at 9:03 AM Sgeo wrote: >>> Was looking through my email archives for LambdaMOO stuff, and saw something about an Agoran MOO that used to exist. Is the database for that available anywhere? I would love to explore it and see what people made, even if it's otherwise dead. >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Coming to you live, from behind Sneelock's store, in the big vacant lot. >>> > -- Coming to you live, from behind Sneelock's store, in the big vacant lot.
Re: DIS: Agoran MOO?
Yeah, I remember distinctly hearing the word MOO for the first time sometime after NW. We definitely called it a MUD. Only a few people (exclusively Monash University I think) were granted wizard/programming privileges - that was one of the difficulties with using that forum for Nomic, it gave them a bit too much unacknowledged clout over "reality" (i.e. what was POSSIBLE). On 11/16/2019 4:56 PM, Ørjan Johansen wrote: It was 1992 (As You Know, Agora is from 1993), and the meaning of the words may have shifted, but I don't think people would have called Nomic World a MOO at the time. I never got a look at its actual source code, but as I recall the interface resembled more LPMud (the MUD style I was already familiar with) than MOOs (I don't think I'd ever been on an actual MOO at the time, not that I've spent much time since either - my MUD days had mostly ended around the time of Nomic World.) Greetings, Ørjan. On Sat, 16 Nov 2019, David Nicol wrote: Nomic World started as a MOO in 1994 or thenabouts. Agora began, on its first mailing list, after the fellow who was maintaining it graduated from college and didn't want to take that hobby with into The So-Called Real World. It had discussion rooms and a voting room where players could register their weigh-ins on whatever was currently proposed for voting. Fantasy Rules Committee began as a committee in Nomic World, before Agora existed. Lurking old guy signing off :) On Mon, Nov 11, 2019 at 9:03 AM Sgeo wrote: Was looking through my email archives for LambdaMOO stuff, and saw something about an Agoran MOO that used to exist. Is the database for that available anywhere? I would love to explore it and see what people made, even if it's otherwise dead. -- Coming to you live, from behind Sneelock's store, in the big vacant lot.
Re: DIS: Agoran MOO?
It was 1992 (As You Know, Agora is from 1993), and the meaning of the words may have shifted, but I don't think people would have called Nomic World a MOO at the time. I never got a look at its actual source code, but as I recall the interface resembled more LPMud (the MUD style I was already familiar with) than MOOs (I don't think I'd ever been on an actual MOO at the time, not that I've spent much time since either - my MUD days had mostly ended around the time of Nomic World.) Greetings, Ørjan. On Sat, 16 Nov 2019, David Nicol wrote: Nomic World started as a MOO in 1994 or thenabouts. Agora began, on its first mailing list, after the fellow who was maintaining it graduated from college and didn't want to take that hobby with into The So-Called Real World. It had discussion rooms and a voting room where players could register their weigh-ins on whatever was currently proposed for voting. Fantasy Rules Committee began as a committee in Nomic World, before Agora existed. Lurking old guy signing off :) On Mon, Nov 11, 2019 at 9:03 AM Sgeo wrote: Was looking through my email archives for LambdaMOO stuff, and saw something about an Agoran MOO that used to exist. Is the database for that available anywhere? I would love to explore it and see what people made, even if it's otherwise dead. -- Coming to you live, from behind Sneelock's store, in the big vacant lot.
Re: DIS: Agoran MOO?
Nomic World started as a MOO in 1994 or thenabouts. Agora began, on its first mailing list, after the fellow who was maintaining it graduated from college and didn't want to take that hobby with into The So-Called Real World. It had discussion rooms and a voting room where players could register their weigh-ins on whatever was currently proposed for voting. Fantasy Rules Committee began as a committee in Nomic World, before Agora existed. Lurking old guy signing off :) On Mon, Nov 11, 2019 at 9:03 AM Sgeo wrote: > Was looking through my email archives for LambdaMOO stuff, and saw > something about an Agoran MOO that used to exist. Is the database for that > available anywhere? I would love to explore it and see what people made, > even if it's otherwise dead. > -- Coming to you live, from behind Sneelock's store, in the big vacant lot.
Re: DIS: Agoran MOO?
On 11/11/19 5:37 PM, Aris Merchant wrote: So, next question: Do we have anyone who has the technical knowhow/resources to set up a server and the willingness to give trusted Agorans shell access to it? :) -Aris I'll think about this. I've got an old broken laptop sitting around that I'd be willing to convert to a server. And I'm sure I can figure out how to set up a simple SSH server. -- Jason Cobb
Re: DIS: Agoran MOO?
On Mon, Nov 11, 2019 at 12:08 PM Jason Cobb wrote: > On 11/11/19 3:04 PM, Aris Merchant wrote: > > A bit off topic, but thought of creating a new Agoran MUD a little over a > > year ago. I worked on it for a few days before giving up on it for a lack > > of time. If someone is interested, I could transfer it over to our GitHub > > and it could turn into a wider collaboration. > > > > -Aris > > > I'd be interested; this sounds like a great way to procrastinate using > Agora even more. > > -- > Jason Cobb I just remembered why this won’t work. Half the data is code, but the other half is in the database, which is one huge file. You can have multiple people editing the code with git, but there has to be one canonical database. This means that there really isn’t anything in-between one person fiddling around with it on their own computer and a full server installation. So, next question: Do we have anyone who has the technical knowhow/resources to set up a server and the willingness to give trusted Agorans shell access to it? :) -Aris > >
Re: DIS: Agoran MOO?
On 11/11/19 3:04 PM, Aris Merchant wrote: A bit off topic, but thought of creating a new Agoran MUD a little over a year ago. I worked on it for a few days before giving up on it for a lack of time. If someone is interested, I could transfer it over to our GitHub and it could turn into a wider collaboration. -Aris I'd be interested; this sounds like a great way to procrastinate using Agora even more. -- Jason Cobb
Re: DIS: Agoran MOO?
On Mon, Nov 11, 2019 at 11:40 AM Kerim Aydin wrote: > > On 11/11/2019 7:03 AM, Sgeo wrote: > > Was looking through my email archives for LambdaMOO stuff, and saw > > something about an Agoran MOO that used to exist. Is the database for > that > > available anywhere? I would love to explore it and see what people made, > > even if it's otherwise dead. > > I built some stuff there and would love to walk through it again (but I > don't have it). I want to say it was circa 2005? -G. > A bit off topic, but thought of creating a new Agoran MUD a little over a year ago. I worked on it for a few days before giving up on it for a lack of time. If someone is interested, I could transfer it over to our GitHub and it could turn into a wider collaboration. -Aris > >
Re: DIS: Agoran MOO?
On 11/11/2019 7:03 AM, Sgeo wrote: > Was looking through my email archives for LambdaMOO stuff, and saw > something about an Agoran MOO that used to exist. Is the database for that > available anywhere? I would love to explore it and see what people made, > even if it's otherwise dead. I built some stuff there and would love to walk through it again (but I don't have it). I want to say it was circa 2005? -G.
DIS: Agoran MOO?
Was looking through my email archives for LambdaMOO stuff, and saw something about an Agoran MOO that used to exist. Is the database for that available anywhere? I would love to explore it and see what people made, even if it's otherwise dead.
