Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [DoV] [Proposal] Closing the door behind me

2020-02-06 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
Falsifian wrote:
>> hope that the economy gets reset or something

Also sorry: I was planning to try something hyper-inflationary on my
Agoran Birthday earlier this week, to try to force the need for a
reset (e.g. pledging to give back 2/3 of coins of anyone who gave me
them) but it's been a heck of a week over here and I just plum forgot.


Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [DoV] [Proposal] Closing the door behind me

2020-02-06 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On Thu, Feb 6, 2020 at 11:55 AM James Cook via agora-discussion
 wrote:
>
> On Thu, 6 Feb 2020 at 18:09, James Cook  wrote:
> > Are we just going to let a steady stream of sufficiently dedicated
> > players claim their standard victories? I say we raise the bar a
> > little.
>
> By the way, I don't mean for this comment to take away from G.'s
> victory. G. built quite a large balance over a long time, and eirs is
> the first Coin victory I've seen.
>
> Victory should be a rare and celebrated achievement. Now that someone
> has beaten the Coins game (and now that I've slipped a victory in too,
> thank you very much) let's close that and start on something new. I'll
> be voting for a fairly high fee in the hope that the economy gets
> reset or something before anyone reaches it.

An effect of victories that don't reset things for everyone is that
there's a long race for the first winner, but then lots of people are
close and cross the finish line relatively quickly after that.   If
you don't want a "glut" of winners (but also don't want a complete
reset of everyone upon a win), a couple interesting ideas (that we
haven't tried IIRC) are (1) an automatic increase in the threshold
when someone wins, which in this case would reduce the incentive to
just sit on a winning amount of coins until you feel like winning or
(2) actually formally recording in the Herald's Report, for a
particular type of win, who got 1st place, 2nd place, etc.

-G.


Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [DoV] [Proposal] Closing the door behind me

2020-02-06 Thread Alexis Hunt via agora-discussion
On Thu, 6 Feb 2020 at 14:55, James Cook via agora-discussion
 wrote:
>
> On Thu, 6 Feb 2020 at 18:09, James Cook  wrote:
> > Are we just going to let a steady stream of sufficiently dedicated
> > players claim their standard victories? I say we raise the bar a
> > little.
>
> By the way, I don't mean for this comment to take away from G.'s
> victory. G. built quite a large balance over a long time, and eirs is
> the first Coin victory I've seen.
>
> Victory should be a rare and celebrated achievement. Now that someone
> has beaten the Coins game (and now that I've slipped a victory in too,
> thank you very much) let's close that and start on something new. I'll
> be voting for a fairly high fee in the hope that the economy gets
> reset or something before anyone reaches it.
>
> - Falsifian

I think that economic wins are a valuable and important part of the
game. I don't think we should necessarily change the mechanism every
time, but I do generally prefer to see them come with a built-in reset
(whole or partial). Wins where the goal is to amass a collection, like
Ribbons, are different sometimes, but I do like the idea that purely
economic activity-based wins should come with resets.

-Alexis


DIS: Re: BUS: [DoV] [Proposal] Closing the door behind me

2020-02-06 Thread James Cook via agora-discussion
On Thu, 6 Feb 2020 at 18:09, James Cook  wrote:
> Are we just going to let a steady stream of sufficiently dedicated
> players claim their standard victories? I say we raise the bar a
> little.

By the way, I don't mean for this comment to take away from G.'s
victory. G. built quite a large balance over a long time, and eirs is
the first Coin victory I've seen.

Victory should be a rare and celebrated achievement. Now that someone
has beaten the Coins game (and now that I've slipped a victory in too,
thank you very much) let's close that and start on something new. I'll
be voting for a fairly high fee in the hope that the economy gets
reset or something before anyone reaches it.

- Falsifian