DIS: Re: BUS: Decision in CFJ 1614: DISMISS

2007-02-27 Thread Kerim Aydin


OscarMeyr wrote:
That is, in part, the idea.  Saying Zefram is an avocado -- or  
passing a proposal establishing Goethe is a banana -- or  
transferring elements of a Rules-defined private property to France  
-- does not automatically make it so.


But it might make it so in the interpretation of a body of law.  
No contradiction: classifying ketchup as a vegetable does not change 
a botanical designation but does change the way certain statutes are

applied to school lunches.

Remember:  Pigs is pigs.

(http://www.ellisparkerbutler.info/epb/pigsispigs_html.asp)

-G.




Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Decision in CFJ 1614: DISMISS

2007-02-26 Thread Benjamin Schultz


On Feb 26, 2007, at 7:44 AM, Zefram wrote:


Benjamin Schultz wrote:

I DISMISS CFJ 1614.  The status of Zefram being an avocado -- indeed,
of any player being any type of foodstuff -- is not relevant to the
Rules.


This judgement is a judicial admission that personhood is not
restricted to members of Homo sapiens, but extends at least as far as
Persea americana.  Taking the obiter dictum any type of foodstuff
at face value suggests that natural personhood is available to (but  
not

necessarily automatic for) all members of the kingdoms Plantae, Fungi,
Animalia, and possibly Protista.


I only follow this argument if it includes a premiss that Zefram  
(you!) is a player but not a person.


Further, the phrase any type of foodstuff does not necessarily  
suggest that personhood is available to non-foodstuff items, just  
that the attribute foodstuff as applied to an entity of class  
player is not relevant to the rules.




While this is good for the principle of non-discrimination, it is
disappointing that it preemptively resolves the question of whether  
Goethe

can remain a player after having been rendered legally a banana by one
interpretation of proposal 4904, and thus renders 4904 ineffective in
determining the behaviour of legal fictions.

-zefram


That is, in part, the idea.  Saying Zefram is an avocado -- or  
passing a proposal establishing Goethe is a banana -- or  
transferring elements of a Rules-defined private property to France  
-- does not automatically make it so.


There's an old quote about Agora having issues with I say I do,  
therefore I do.  I'm sure someone will be along soon with the full  
quote and attribution; do we have a citation for *when* the quote  
dates to?

-
Benjamin Schultz KE3OM
OscarMeyr