Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Two Actions
On Sat, 6 Jun 2009, Alex Smith wrote: On Fri, 2009-06-05 at 22:43 -0500, Aaron Goldfein wrote: On Fri, Jun 5, 2009 at 10:38 PM, Kyle Marek-Spartz zeckal...@gmail.com wrote: I understood that. To clarify: How soon after a player CFJs is the CFJ typically listed on the CotC page? When Murphy sees the message and updates his website. Yep, AFAIK it isn't done automatically, so you have to depend on Murphy to be awake and to notice it. On the other hand, given that Murphy is the CotC, a case will nearly always be there (barring technical glitches) when it's assigned, because Murphy has to be awake and to notice it to be able to assign it. So a short answer is, at the moment, if it doesn't happen within a week, the CotC has done something illegal. Can't remember the last time that happened. -G.
Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Two Actions
Kyle Marek-Spartz - KDØGTK On Thu, Jun 4, 2009 at 12:23 AM, Kerim Aydinke...@u.washington.edu wrote: On Thu, 4 Jun 2009, Kyle Marek-Spartz wrote: On Thu, Jun 4, 2009 at 12:15 AM, Kerim Aydin ke...@u.washington.edu wrote: On Wed, 3 Jun 2009, Kyle Marek-Spartz wrote: I CFJ on the following statement: The first game of Agora lasted 100 years. I think that's in the FAQ, although maybe that's just about R104. Original ruleset defined games as ending and beginning the next one when someone won, and someone indeed did in the first year or so. Maybe one of the Michael is the speaker CFJs has the details, I know Michael's posted them at least once in the last few years. There is no mention of the beginning. Rule 2244: The first game was the period of time prior to the first instant at which a person won the game. How long was that period of time? Hence my CFJ. ;) Ah yes, it occurred to me after I hit send that you might be thinking of say, something going on in Ancient Greece etc. I'd forgotten entirely about the recent addition of R2244. -G. What is the usual turn around time on CFJs being listed on the CotC page? Kyle Marek-Spartz - KDØGTK
Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Two Actions
On Fri, 2009-06-05 at 22:27 -0500, Kyle Marek-Spartz wrote: What is the usual turn around time on CFJs being listed on the CotC page? It varies a lot. CFJs have been turned around within a few minutes before; sometimes they take several weeks. (Even over a month on occasion, if the CotC's slow and a couple of judges are recused.) It nearly always takes a couple of weeks, or longer, if appeals are involved. -- ais523
Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Two Actions
On Fri, Jun 5, 2009 at 10:32 PM, Alex Smithais...@bham.ac.uk wrote: On Fri, 2009-06-05 at 22:27 -0500, Kyle Marek-Spartz wrote: What is the usual turn around time on CFJs being listed on the CotC page? It varies a lot. CFJs have been turned around within a few minutes before; sometimes they take several weeks. (Even over a month on occasion, if the CotC's slow and a couple of judges are recused.) It nearly always takes a couple of weeks, or longer, if appeals are involved. -- ais523 I understood that. To clarify: How soon after a player CFJs is the CFJ typically listed on the CotC page? Kyle Marek-Spartz - KDØGTK
Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Two Actions
On Fri, Jun 5, 2009 at 10:38 PM, Kyle Marek-Spartz zeckal...@gmail.comwrote: On Fri, Jun 5, 2009 at 10:32 PM, Alex Smithais...@bham.ac.uk wrote: On Fri, 2009-06-05 at 22:27 -0500, Kyle Marek-Spartz wrote: What is the usual turn around time on CFJs being listed on the CotC page? It varies a lot. CFJs have been turned around within a few minutes before; sometimes they take several weeks. (Even over a month on occasion, if the CotC's slow and a couple of judges are recused.) It nearly always takes a couple of weeks, or longer, if appeals are involved. -- ais523 I understood that. To clarify: How soon after a player CFJs is the CFJ typically listed on the CotC page? Kyle Marek-Spartz - KDØGTK When Murphy sees the message and updates his website.
Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Two Actions
On Fri, 2009-06-05 at 22:43 -0500, Aaron Goldfein wrote: On Fri, Jun 5, 2009 at 10:38 PM, Kyle Marek-Spartz zeckal...@gmail.com wrote: I understood that. To clarify: How soon after a player CFJs is the CFJ typically listed on the CotC page? When Murphy sees the message and updates his website. Yep, AFAIK it isn't done automatically, so you have to depend on Murphy to be awake and to notice it. On the other hand, given that Murphy is the CotC, a case will nearly always be there (barring technical glitches) when it's assigned, because Murphy has to be awake and to notice it to be able to assign it. -- ais523
Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Two Actions
On Thu, Jun 4, 2009 at 1:31 AM, Paul VanKoughnett allisp...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Jun 4, 2009 at 2:20 PM, Kerim Aydin ke...@u.washington.edu wrote: On Wed, 3 Jun 2009, Kerim Aydin wrote: I think that's in the FAQ, although maybe that's just about R104. Original ruleset defined games as ending and beginning the next one when someone won, and someone indeed did in the first year or so. On a related note, here's a question: how many here have played an actual face-to-face Nomic round (i.e. Suber ruleset) as a board game (e.g. sat down with 4+ people at a table with the meta-understanding that you were all trying to win before the evening ended and winning would generally end the game)? Haven't done so in a long time; It's a really, really different experience than this; different game entirely, highly recommended, I think I often have those sorts of games in the back of my mind and it affects my play style. -G. I have; it was the first game of Nomic I played. I read Hofstadter's article years ago, but could never find anyone in high school to play with. I found people in college, though, and we tried it around a table. The biggest problems were keeping control (so it doesn't break up into the loud disputes our CFJs usually ended up as) and making sure everyone's comfortable with the current rules, scores, etc. We never finished the game, but we started another one via mailing list, which is still getting off the ground and which may open its doors with a webpage and stuff as soon as it's ready. My first nomic experience was with a game called 'Dots', initially similar to the game where you make a grid of dots and try to make squares, but in this game any polygon was legal and the dots were not evenly placed. 6 teams of people each have a color, and have a territory. Each dot had a point value, originally 1, but the value change to 1-N (where N was the number of lines coming off of that dot) after each 'round'. A round wad an arbitrary period of time and ended whenever the G.O.D. (Game Overall Director) said it ended. We had a judicial branch for CFJ like actions, a group of rule writers, etc. The first thing that happens is people write rules, and once someone breaks them, because no one wrote rules indicating what would happen if rules were broken, all hell breaks loose and there is anarchy. Its a very interesting game.
DIS: Re: BUS: Two Actions
On Wed, 3 Jun 2009, Kyle Marek-Spartz wrote: I CFJ on the following statement: The first game of Agora lasted 100 years. I think that's in the FAQ, although maybe that's just about R104. Original ruleset defined games as ending and beginning the next one when someone won, and someone indeed did in the first year or so. Maybe one of the Michael is the speaker CFJs has the details, I know Michael's posted them at least once in the last few years. -G.
Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Two Actions
On Thu, Jun 4, 2009 at 12:15 AM, Kerim Aydin ke...@u.washington.edu wrote: On Wed, 3 Jun 2009, Kyle Marek-Spartz wrote: I CFJ on the following statement: The first game of Agora lasted 100 years. I think that's in the FAQ, although maybe that's just about R104. Original ruleset defined games as ending and beginning the next one when someone won, and someone indeed did in the first year or so. Maybe one of the Michael is the speaker CFJs has the details, I know Michael's posted them at least once in the last few years. -G. There is no mention of the beginning. Rule 2244: The first game was the period of time prior to the first instant at which a person won the game. How long was that period of time? Hence my CFJ. ;) Kyle Marek-Spartz - KDØGTK
Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Two Actions
On Wed, 3 Jun 2009, Kerim Aydin wrote: I think that's in the FAQ, although maybe that's just about R104. Original ruleset defined games as ending and beginning the next one when someone won, and someone indeed did in the first year or so. On a related note, here's a question: how many here have played an actual face-to-face Nomic round (i.e. Suber ruleset) as a board game (e.g. sat down with 4+ people at a table with the meta-understanding that you were all trying to win before the evening ended and winning would generally end the game)? Haven't done so in a long time; It's a really, really different experience than this; different game entirely, highly recommended, I think I often have those sorts of games in the back of my mind and it affects my play style. -G.
Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Two Actions
On Thu, 4 Jun 2009, Kyle Marek-Spartz wrote: On Thu, Jun 4, 2009 at 12:15 AM, Kerim Aydin ke...@u.washington.edu wrote: On Wed, 3 Jun 2009, Kyle Marek-Spartz wrote: I CFJ on the following statement: The first game of Agora lasted 100 years. I think that's in the FAQ, although maybe that's just about R104. Original ruleset defined games as ending and beginning the next one when someone won, and someone indeed did in the first year or so. Maybe one of the Michael is the speaker CFJs has the details, I know Michael's posted them at least once in the last few years. There is no mention of the beginning. Rule 2244: The first game was the period of time prior to the first instant at which a person won the game. How long was that period of time? Hence my CFJ. ;) Ah yes, it occurred to me after I hit send that you might be thinking of say, something going on in Ancient Greece etc. I'd forgotten entirely about the recent addition of R2244. -G.
Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Two Actions
On Thu, Jun 4, 2009 at 2:20 PM, Kerim Aydin ke...@u.washington.edu wrote: On Wed, 3 Jun 2009, Kerim Aydin wrote: I think that's in the FAQ, although maybe that's just about R104. Original ruleset defined games as ending and beginning the next one when someone won, and someone indeed did in the first year or so. On a related note, here's a question: how many here have played an actual face-to-face Nomic round (i.e. Suber ruleset) as a board game (e.g. sat down with 4+ people at a table with the meta-understanding that you were all trying to win before the evening ended and winning would generally end the game)? Haven't done so in a long time; It's a really, really different experience than this; different game entirely, highly recommended, I think I often have those sorts of games in the back of my mind and it affects my play style. -G. I have; it was the first game of Nomic I played. I read Hofstadter's article years ago, but could never find anyone in high school to play with. I found people in college, though, and we tried it around a table. The biggest problems were keeping control (so it doesn't break up into the loud disputes our CFJs usually ended up as) and making sure everyone's comfortable with the current rules, scores, etc. We never finished the game, but we started another one via mailing list, which is still getting off the ground and which may open its doors with a webpage and stuff as soon as it's ready.
