Re: BUS: Re: DIS: Re: OFF: deputy-[Assessor] Resolution of Proposals 8165-8174
On 4/27/2019 7:08 PM, James Cook wrote: Thanks for your hard work. I'm optimistic that things will gradually get back on track if the ratio of (reports published and other actions that clarify the state of the game) to (actions that raise questions) stays reasonably high for a while. > > And sorry, in hindsight it probably would have been more productive> for me to just let your resolution of the proposals self-ratify. No sweat it was the sum of trying to do anything with out-of-date info that was being a pain, not the particular CoE!
Re: DIS: Re: OFF: deputy-[Assessor] Resolution of Proposals 8165-8174
Good point. I was doing it temporarily for two reasons, but now that I
think about it they aren't great reasons.
* I wanted to be polite by not booting the existing officeholders, but
I guess it's easy enough for the officeholders to reclaim them if they
wan.
* I'm avoiding responsibilities. But as you say, I can do that by resigning.
On Sun, 28 Apr 2019 at 02:09, Aris Merchant
wrote:
> You probably shouldn’t be temporarily deputizing (as in, you should be
> doing it normally). The point of that was to stop people from uncessarily
> evicting current office holders, but these offices are vacant or
> essentially so anyway. If you can’t keep up with the office, you can always
> drop it when you want to.
>
> -Aris
>
>
>
> On Sat, Apr 27, 2019 at 7:05 PM James Cook wrote:
>
> > I temporarily deputise for Assessor to resolve, as described below,
> > whichever
> > of the Agoran decisions to adopt Proposals 8165-8174 are still unresolved.
> >
> > For the following tallies, all voters below have a voting strength of 3,
> > except that:
> > * Corona has voting strength 1 (8 blots).
> > * twg has voting strength 0 (9 blots)
> >
> >
> > > 8165 D Margaux, Gaelan 3.0 Dependent Action Cleanup Act
> > FOR: Gaelan, D. Margaux, L, G., Halian, twg, Corona, Falsifian, Trigon
> > AGAINST:
> > Number of ballots F/A: 9/0
> > Voting strength F/A: 22/0
> > RESULT: ADOPTED
> >
> >
> > > 8166 D Margaux, twg 2.0 Politics Election Bug Fix
> > FOR: Gaelan, D. Margaux, L, G., Halian
> > AGAINST: twg, Corona, Falsifian
> > PRESENT: Trigon
> > Number of ballots F/A: 5/3
> > Voting strength F/A: 15/4
> > RESULT: ADOPTED
> >
> >
> > > 8167 G. 1.0 Ritual Sacrifice
> > FOR: Gaelan, D. Margaux, L, G., Halian, twg, Corona
> > AGAINST: Falsifian
> > PRESENT: Trigon
> > Number of ballots F/A: 7/1
> > Voting strength F/A: 16/3
> > RESULT: ADOPTED
> >
> >
> > > 8168 G. 1.0 No more meh
> > FOR:
> > AGAINST:
> > PRESENT: Gaelan, D. Margaux, L, G., Halian, twg, Corona, Falsifian, Trigon
> > Number of ballots F/A: 0/0
> > Voting strength F/A:0/0
> > RESULT: WHO CARES (REJECTED)
> >
> >
> > > 8169 twg, [1]1.0 Spaceship Armour Defaults
> > FOR: Trigon
> > AGAINST: Gaelan, D. Margaux, L, G., Halian, twg, Corona, Falsifian
> > Number of ballots F/A: 1/8
> > Voting strength F/A:3/19
> > RESULT: REJECTED
> >
> >
> > > 8170 G. 1.0 line-item veto 2.02
> > FOR: Gaelan (conditional), D. Margaux, L, G., Halian
> > AGAINST: twg, Corona, Falsifian, Trigon
> > Number of ballots F/A: 5/4
> > Voting strength F/A: 15/7
> > RESULT: ADOPTED
> >
> >
> > > 8171 G. 1.0 The Tiger Team
> > FOR: Gaelan, D. Margaux, L, G., Halian, twg, Corona, Trigon
> > AGAINST:
> > PRESENT: Falsifian
> > Number of ballots F/A: 8/0
> > Voting strength F/A: 19/0
> > RESULT: ADOPTED
> >
> >
> > > 8172 Aris3.0 SLR Ratification
> > FOR:
> > AGAINST:
> > PRESENT: Gaelan, D. Margaux, L, G., Halian, twg, Corona, Falsifian, Trigon
> > Number of ballots F/A: 0/0
> > Voting strength F/A:0/0
> > RESULT: NOBODY CARED (REJECTED)
> >
> >
> > > 8173 Murphy, Ørjan 3.2 Effective deference
> > FOR:
> > AGAINST: Gaelan, D. Margaux, L, G., Halian, twg, Corona, Falsifian,
> > PRESENT: Trigon
> > Number of ballots F/A: 0/8
> > Voting strength F/A:0/19
> > RESULT: REJECTED
> >
> >
> > > 8174 G. 1.0 Understated
> > FOR: Falsifian
> > AGAINST:
> > PRESENT: Trigon
> > Number of ballots F/A: 1/0
> > Voting strength F/A:3/0
> > RESULT: FAILED QUORUM
> >
> >
> > TEXT OF ADOPTED PROPOSALS
> > //
> > ID: 8165
> > Title: Dependent Action Cleanup Act
> > Adoption index: 3.0
> > Author: D Margaux
> > Co-authors: Gaelan
> >
> >
> > Retitle Rule 1728 to “Dependent Action Methods.”
> >
> > Amend Rule 1728 to replace its entire text with the following:
> >
> > {
> >
> > The following methods of taking actions are known as "dependent actions":
> >
> > 1. Without N Objections, where N is a positive integer no greater than 8
> > ("Without Objection" is shorthand for this method with N = 1);
> >
> > 2. With N Support, where N is a positive integer ("With Support" is
> > shorthand
> > for this method with N = 1);
> >
> > 3. With N Agoran Consent, where N is an integer multiple of 0.1 with a
> > minimum
> > of 1 ("With Agoran Consent" is shorthand for this method with N = 1);
> >
> > 4. With Notice; or
> >
> > 5. With T Notice, where T is a time period.
> >
> > N is 1 unless otherwise specified.
> >
> > }
> >
> > Enact a new rule (power=3) entitled “Performing a Dependent Action” with
> > this
> > text:
> >
> > {
> >
> > A rule that purports to allow a person (the performer) to perform an
> > action by
> > a set of one or more dependent actions identified in Rule 1728 thereby
> > allows em
> > to perform the action by announcement if all of the following
DIS: Re: OFF: deputy-[Assessor] Resolution of Proposals 8165-8174
You probably shouldn’t be temporarily deputizing (as in, you should be
doing it normally). The point of that was to stop people from uncessarily
evicting current office holders, but these offices are vacant or
essentially so anyway. If you can’t keep up with the office, you can always
drop it when you want to.
-Aris
On Sat, Apr 27, 2019 at 7:05 PM James Cook wrote:
> I temporarily deputise for Assessor to resolve, as described below,
> whichever
> of the Agoran decisions to adopt Proposals 8165-8174 are still unresolved.
>
> For the following tallies, all voters below have a voting strength of 3,
> except that:
> * Corona has voting strength 1 (8 blots).
> * twg has voting strength 0 (9 blots)
>
>
> > 8165 D Margaux, Gaelan 3.0 Dependent Action Cleanup Act
> FOR: Gaelan, D. Margaux, L, G., Halian, twg, Corona, Falsifian, Trigon
> AGAINST:
> Number of ballots F/A: 9/0
> Voting strength F/A: 22/0
> RESULT: ADOPTED
>
>
> > 8166 D Margaux, twg 2.0 Politics Election Bug Fix
> FOR: Gaelan, D. Margaux, L, G., Halian
> AGAINST: twg, Corona, Falsifian
> PRESENT: Trigon
> Number of ballots F/A: 5/3
> Voting strength F/A: 15/4
> RESULT: ADOPTED
>
>
> > 8167 G. 1.0 Ritual Sacrifice
> FOR: Gaelan, D. Margaux, L, G., Halian, twg, Corona
> AGAINST: Falsifian
> PRESENT: Trigon
> Number of ballots F/A: 7/1
> Voting strength F/A: 16/3
> RESULT: ADOPTED
>
>
> > 8168 G. 1.0 No more meh
> FOR:
> AGAINST:
> PRESENT: Gaelan, D. Margaux, L, G., Halian, twg, Corona, Falsifian, Trigon
> Number of ballots F/A: 0/0
> Voting strength F/A:0/0
> RESULT: WHO CARES (REJECTED)
>
>
> > 8169 twg, [1]1.0 Spaceship Armour Defaults
> FOR: Trigon
> AGAINST: Gaelan, D. Margaux, L, G., Halian, twg, Corona, Falsifian
> Number of ballots F/A: 1/8
> Voting strength F/A:3/19
> RESULT: REJECTED
>
>
> > 8170 G. 1.0 line-item veto 2.02
> FOR: Gaelan (conditional), D. Margaux, L, G., Halian
> AGAINST: twg, Corona, Falsifian, Trigon
> Number of ballots F/A: 5/4
> Voting strength F/A: 15/7
> RESULT: ADOPTED
>
>
> > 8171 G. 1.0 The Tiger Team
> FOR: Gaelan, D. Margaux, L, G., Halian, twg, Corona, Trigon
> AGAINST:
> PRESENT: Falsifian
> Number of ballots F/A: 8/0
> Voting strength F/A: 19/0
> RESULT: ADOPTED
>
>
> > 8172 Aris3.0 SLR Ratification
> FOR:
> AGAINST:
> PRESENT: Gaelan, D. Margaux, L, G., Halian, twg, Corona, Falsifian, Trigon
> Number of ballots F/A: 0/0
> Voting strength F/A:0/0
> RESULT: NOBODY CARED (REJECTED)
>
>
> > 8173 Murphy, Ørjan 3.2 Effective deference
> FOR:
> AGAINST: Gaelan, D. Margaux, L, G., Halian, twg, Corona, Falsifian,
> PRESENT: Trigon
> Number of ballots F/A: 0/8
> Voting strength F/A:0/19
> RESULT: REJECTED
>
>
> > 8174 G. 1.0 Understated
> FOR: Falsifian
> AGAINST:
> PRESENT: Trigon
> Number of ballots F/A: 1/0
> Voting strength F/A:3/0
> RESULT: FAILED QUORUM
>
>
> TEXT OF ADOPTED PROPOSALS
> //
> ID: 8165
> Title: Dependent Action Cleanup Act
> Adoption index: 3.0
> Author: D Margaux
> Co-authors: Gaelan
>
>
> Retitle Rule 1728 to “Dependent Action Methods.”
>
> Amend Rule 1728 to replace its entire text with the following:
>
> {
>
> The following methods of taking actions are known as "dependent actions":
>
> 1. Without N Objections, where N is a positive integer no greater than 8
> ("Without Objection" is shorthand for this method with N = 1);
>
> 2. With N Support, where N is a positive integer ("With Support" is
> shorthand
> for this method with N = 1);
>
> 3. With N Agoran Consent, where N is an integer multiple of 0.1 with a
> minimum
> of 1 ("With Agoran Consent" is shorthand for this method with N = 1);
>
> 4. With Notice; or
>
> 5. With T Notice, where T is a time period.
>
> N is 1 unless otherwise specified.
>
> }
>
> Enact a new rule (power=3) entitled “Performing a Dependent Action” with
> this
> text:
>
> {
>
> A rule that purports to allow a person (the performer) to perform an
> action by
> a set of one or more dependent actions identified in Rule 1728 thereby
> allows em
> to perform the action by announcement if all of the following are true:
>
> 1. A person (the initiator) published an announcement of intent that
> unambiguously, clearly, conspicuously, and without obfuscation specified
> the action intended to be taken and the method(s) to be used;
>
> 2. The announcement referenced in paragraph (1) of this Rule
> unambiguously, clearly, conspicuously, and without obfuscation states:
>
> * the value of T, if the action is to be taken with T Notice; and
>
> * the value of N, if N is not equal to 1 and the action is to be
> taken
> Without N Objections, With N Support, or With N Agoran Consent;
>
> 3. The announcement referenced in paragraph (1) of this Rule was published:
>
> * within the 14
DIS: Re: OFF: deputy-[Assessor] Resolution of Proposals 8165-8174
For those who aren't following closely: that report is mostly G.'s
work, so credit mostly to G. I just fiddled with the numbers.
On Sun, 28 Apr 2019 at 02:05, James Cook wrote:
>
> I temporarily deputise for Assessor to resolve, as described below, whichever
> of the Agoran decisions to adopt Proposals 8165-8174 are still unresolved.
>
> For the following tallies, all voters below have a voting strength of 3,
> except that:
> * Corona has voting strength 1 (8 blots).
> * twg has voting strength 0 (9 blots)
>
>
> > 8165 D Margaux, Gaelan 3.0 Dependent Action Cleanup Act
> FOR: Gaelan, D. Margaux, L, G., Halian, twg, Corona, Falsifian, Trigon
> AGAINST:
> Number of ballots F/A: 9/0
> Voting strength F/A: 22/0
> RESULT: ADOPTED
>
>
> > 8166 D Margaux, twg 2.0 Politics Election Bug Fix
> FOR: Gaelan, D. Margaux, L, G., Halian
> AGAINST: twg, Corona, Falsifian
> PRESENT: Trigon
> Number of ballots F/A: 5/3
> Voting strength F/A: 15/4
> RESULT: ADOPTED
>
>
> > 8167 G. 1.0 Ritual Sacrifice
> FOR: Gaelan, D. Margaux, L, G., Halian, twg, Corona
> AGAINST: Falsifian
> PRESENT: Trigon
> Number of ballots F/A: 7/1
> Voting strength F/A: 16/3
> RESULT: ADOPTED
>
>
> > 8168 G. 1.0 No more meh
> FOR:
> AGAINST:
> PRESENT: Gaelan, D. Margaux, L, G., Halian, twg, Corona, Falsifian, Trigon
> Number of ballots F/A: 0/0
> Voting strength F/A:0/0
> RESULT: WHO CARES (REJECTED)
>
>
> > 8169 twg, [1]1.0 Spaceship Armour Defaults
> FOR: Trigon
> AGAINST: Gaelan, D. Margaux, L, G., Halian, twg, Corona, Falsifian
> Number of ballots F/A: 1/8
> Voting strength F/A:3/19
> RESULT: REJECTED
>
>
> > 8170 G. 1.0 line-item veto 2.02
> FOR: Gaelan (conditional), D. Margaux, L, G., Halian
> AGAINST: twg, Corona, Falsifian, Trigon
> Number of ballots F/A: 5/4
> Voting strength F/A: 15/7
> RESULT: ADOPTED
>
>
> > 8171 G. 1.0 The Tiger Team
> FOR: Gaelan, D. Margaux, L, G., Halian, twg, Corona, Trigon
> AGAINST:
> PRESENT: Falsifian
> Number of ballots F/A: 8/0
> Voting strength F/A: 19/0
> RESULT: ADOPTED
>
>
> > 8172 Aris3.0 SLR Ratification
> FOR:
> AGAINST:
> PRESENT: Gaelan, D. Margaux, L, G., Halian, twg, Corona, Falsifian, Trigon
> Number of ballots F/A: 0/0
> Voting strength F/A:0/0
> RESULT: NOBODY CARED (REJECTED)
>
>
> > 8173 Murphy, Ørjan 3.2 Effective deference
> FOR:
> AGAINST: Gaelan, D. Margaux, L, G., Halian, twg, Corona, Falsifian,
> PRESENT: Trigon
> Number of ballots F/A: 0/8
> Voting strength F/A:0/19
> RESULT: REJECTED
>
>
> > 8174 G. 1.0 Understated
> FOR: Falsifian
> AGAINST:
> PRESENT: Trigon
> Number of ballots F/A: 1/0
> Voting strength F/A:3/0
> RESULT: FAILED QUORUM
>
>
> TEXT OF ADOPTED PROPOSALS
> //
> ID: 8165
> Title: Dependent Action Cleanup Act
> Adoption index: 3.0
> Author: D Margaux
> Co-authors: Gaelan
>
>
> Retitle Rule 1728 to “Dependent Action Methods.”
>
> Amend Rule 1728 to replace its entire text with the following:
>
> {
>
> The following methods of taking actions are known as "dependent actions":
>
> 1. Without N Objections, where N is a positive integer no greater than 8
> ("Without Objection" is shorthand for this method with N = 1);
>
> 2. With N Support, where N is a positive integer ("With Support" is shorthand
> for this method with N = 1);
>
> 3. With N Agoran Consent, where N is an integer multiple of 0.1 with a minimum
> of 1 ("With Agoran Consent" is shorthand for this method with N = 1);
>
> 4. With Notice; or
>
> 5. With T Notice, where T is a time period.
>
> N is 1 unless otherwise specified.
>
> }
>
> Enact a new rule (power=3) entitled “Performing a Dependent Action” with this
> text:
>
> {
>
> A rule that purports to allow a person (the performer) to perform an action by
> a set of one or more dependent actions identified in Rule 1728 thereby
> allows em
> to perform the action by announcement if all of the following are true:
>
> 1. A person (the initiator) published an announcement of intent that
> unambiguously, clearly, conspicuously, and without obfuscation specified
> the action intended to be taken and the method(s) to be used;
>
> 2. The announcement referenced in paragraph (1) of this Rule
> unambiguously, clearly, conspicuously, and without obfuscation states:
>
> * the value of T, if the action is to be taken with T Notice; and
>
> * the value of N, if N is not equal to 1 and the action is to be taken
> Without N Objections, With N Support, or With N Agoran Consent;
>
> 3. The announcement referenced in paragraph (1) of this Rule was published:
>
> * within the 14 days preceding the action, if the action is to be
>performed With N Support;
>
> * between 4 and 14 days preceding the action, if the action is to be
>performed Without N Objections,
Re: BUS: Re: DIS: Re: OFF: deputy-[Assessor] Resolution of Proposals 8165-8174
Thanks for your hard work. I'm optimistic that things will gradually get back on track if the ratio of (reports published and other actions that clarify the state of the game) to (actions that raise questions) stays reasonably high for a while. And sorry, in hindsight it probably would have been more productive for me to just let your resolution of the proposals self-ratify. On Sat, 27 Apr 2019 at 15:51, Kerim Aydin wrote: > > > I resign the office of Assessor. It's possible that I never managed > to claim assessor since I had to deputize to actually resolve the > issue and I may have failed. > > I think the fact that this stems from yet another office's lateness > (the ADoP) crosses my personal line of "I'm not carrying this whole goddam > thing myself". > > Someone else can resolve this. Sorry. > > On 4/26/2019 7:51 PM, James Cook wrote: > > On Sat, 27 Apr 2019 at 01:41, James Cook wrote: > >>> For the following tallies, all voters below have a voting strength of 3, > >>> except for G. who has 4 (Prime Minister) and twg with 0 (9 blots). > >> > >> Unofficial claims of error about voting strength, sent to the > >> discussion list since I don't think they affect anything but it's good > >> to keep track: > >> > >> * Corona has 8 blots, so eir voting strength is 2. > >> > >> * If my CoE about the Prime Minister election is correct, then G's > >> voting strength is 3, not 4. > > > > Actually, sorry, I'll make it official, since I think the error means > > the resolutions haven't been adopted yet, if I'm reading Rule 208 > > correctly. (I'm looking at this part: "It ... provides a tally of the > > voter's valid ballots.") > > > > Claim of error: the for/against tallies in the Deputy Assessor's > > resolution of Proposals 8165-8174 were incorrect, for the reason > > specified in my above-quoted message. > > > > (It's not clear to me what is required in a "tally" of the ballots. If > > we're uncertain about the voting strengths, would just listing the > > number of ballots count as a tally for the purposes of satisfying that > > part of Rule 208?) > >
DIS: Re: OFF: deputy-[Assessor] Resolution of Proposals 8165-8174
> For the following tallies, all voters below have a voting strength of 3, > except for G. who has 4 (Prime Minister) and twg with 0 (9 blots). Unofficial claims of error about voting strength, sent to the discussion list since I don't think they affect anything but it's good to keep track: * Corona has 8 blots, so eir voting strength is 2. * If my CoE about the Prime Minister election is correct, then G's voting strength is 3, not 4.
