Re: DIS: [Diplonomic] Retreat Rules question
at 9:40 AM, Publius Scribonius Scholasticus via agora-discussion wrote: Yes, it couldn't retreat to a province occupied by a dislodging unit or a unit that it couldn't have moved to. And here I was planning to submit orders to do so, and argue tomorrow that they should be legal according to Rule 22. Oh well.
Re: DIS: [Diplonomic] Retreat Rules question
On 7/26/20 12:45 PM, Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion wrote: > > On 7/26/2020 9:40 AM, Publius Scribonius Scholasticus wrote: >> On 7/26/20 12:26 PM, Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion wrote: >>> >>> H. Publius, >>> >>> Another diplonomic rules question! >>> >>> The original Diplomacy Rules say: A unit may not retreat to the province from where the dislodging unit came or to an "embattled" province, meaning one left vacant by a bounce/standoff that turn. >>> (https://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Diplomacy/Rules) >>> >>> Current Rule 22 says: 22. A dislodged unit must retreat to an adjacent province. Retreats can’t be convoyed or supported. If two or more units are ordered to retreat to the same province, they all must be disbanded. If a country fails to order a retreat when necessary, the unit is disbanded. >>> >>> Reading this on its own, you could retreat anywhere adjacent (even to >>> occupied territories!) Obviously that's not true so there are limits not >>> explicitly spelled out in R22. Do those limits apply to retreating to >>> "where the dislodging unit came from" or to "embattled but empty" >>> provinces under the current R22, as per the original Dip rules? >> >> Yes, it couldn't retreat to a province occupied by a dislodging unit or >> a unit that it couldn't have moved to. >> > > But 'embattled but empty' can be retreated to? > > Since the unit couldn't have moved there, no. -- Publius Scribonius Scholasticus, Herald, Referee, Tailor, Pirate Champion, Badge of the Great Agoran Revival, Badge of the Salted Earth
Re: DIS: [Diplonomic] Retreat Rules question
On 7/26/2020 9:40 AM, Publius Scribonius Scholasticus wrote: > On 7/26/20 12:26 PM, Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion wrote: >> >> H. Publius, >> >> Another diplonomic rules question! >> >> The original Diplomacy Rules say: >>> A unit may not retreat to the province from where the dislodging unit >>> came or to an "embattled" province, meaning one left vacant by a >>> bounce/standoff that turn. >> (https://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Diplomacy/Rules) >> >> Current Rule 22 says: >>> 22. A dislodged unit must retreat to an adjacent province. Retreats >>> can’t be convoyed or supported. If two or more units are ordered to >>> retreat to the same province, they all must be disbanded. If a country >>> fails to order a retreat when necessary, the unit is disbanded. >> >> Reading this on its own, you could retreat anywhere adjacent (even to >> occupied territories!) Obviously that's not true so there are limits not >> explicitly spelled out in R22. Do those limits apply to retreating to >> "where the dislodging unit came from" or to "embattled but empty" >> provinces under the current R22, as per the original Dip rules? > > Yes, it couldn't retreat to a province occupied by a dislodging unit or > a unit that it couldn't have moved to. > But 'embattled but empty' can be retreated to?
Re: DIS: [Diplonomic] Retreat Rules question
On 7/26/20 12:26 PM, Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion wrote: > > H. Publius, > > Another diplonomic rules question! > > The original Diplomacy Rules say: >> A unit may not retreat to the province from where the dislodging unit >> came or to an "embattled" province, meaning one left vacant by a >> bounce/standoff that turn. > (https://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Diplomacy/Rules) > > Current Rule 22 says: >> 22. A dislodged unit must retreat to an adjacent province. Retreats >> can’t be convoyed or supported. If two or more units are ordered to >> retreat to the same province, they all must be disbanded. If a country >> fails to order a retreat when necessary, the unit is disbanded. > > Reading this on its own, you could retreat anywhere adjacent (even to > occupied territories!) Obviously that's not true so there are limits not > explicitly spelled out in R22. Do those limits apply to retreating to > "where the dislodging unit came from" or to "embattled but empty" > provinces under the current R22, as per the original Dip rules? Yes, it couldn't retreat to a province occupied by a dislodging unit or a unit that it couldn't have moved to. -- Publius Scribonius Scholasticus, Herald, Referee, Tailor, Pirate Champion, Badge of the Great Agoran Revival, Badge of the Salted Earth
