Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Bankruptcy

[Aris Merchant]

I am pleased to announce that by DIS activity (the most favorable
metric) we have had the highest monthly activity (479 KB) since August
2013 (585 KB). No doubt this metric is flawed for a bunch of reasons,
and the month isn't over yet, but still, keep up the good work (i.e.
please everyone don't go inactive again).

-Aris

On Sun, Apr 23, 2017 at 5:02 PM, Publius Scribonius Scholasticus
 wrote:
> In the last two weeks or so, we have had almost a full months worth of
> activity.
>
> 
> Publius Scribonius Scholasticus
>
> On Sun, Apr 23, 2017 at 8:00 PM, Quazie  wrote:
>>
>> And we both registered (or almost registered) in a 48 hour period that has
>> coincided with new agoran activity - i'm blaming us for the new activity -
>> we (you and I) are the we that are doing the fixing.
>>
>> On Sun, Apr 23, 2017 at 4:59 PM Publius Scribonius Scholasticus
>>  wrote:
>>>
>>> I mean the problem being the lack of activity.
>>>
>>> 
>>> Publius Scribonius Scholasticus
>>>
>>> On Sun, Apr 23, 2017 at 7:44 PM, Quazie  wrote:

 It looks like we're fixing it - but I'm fine letting the CFJS that
 determine what has happened with my joining be judged by definitive players
 so this bout of nonsense can end and the next one begin.

 On Sun, Apr 23, 2017 at 16:41 Publius Scribonius Scholasticus
  wrote:
>
> Well, that may be the problem we need to fix.
>
> 
> Publius Scribonius Scholasticus
>
> On Sun, Apr 23, 2017 at 7:02 PM, Quazie  wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sun, Apr 23, 2017 at 2:36 PM Sprocklem S 
>> wrote:
>>>
>>> On Sat, Apr 22, 2017 at 8:56 PM, Aris Merchant
>>>  wrote:
>>> > On Thu, Apr 20, 2017 at 11:39 PM, Aris Merchant
>>> >  wrote:
>>> >> On Wed, Apr 19, 2017 at 9:00 PM Owen Jacobson 
>>> >> wrote:
>>> >> [...]
>>> >>
>>> > I found the way to withdraw my CFJ! As per Rule 2175, I retract the
>>> > CFJ I began above. In its place, I call a CFJ on the statement
>>> > "Assuming that Quazie is a player, e has, within the past week,
>>> > exceeded the Income Cap." I submit the same arguments as the above
>>> > to
>>> > the new CFJ, along with the following addendum:
>>> >
>>> > Correction: When I said Budget Cap, I meant Income Cap.
>>> >
>>> > -Aris
>>>
>>> You seem to have forgotten barring Quazie this time.
>>>
>>> --
>>> Sprocklem
>>
>>
>> Chances of me getting this CFJ are slim, as I only consented to
>> judging CFJs once my player state is finalized - Agora isn't quite active
>> enough for potentially non-player CFJ judges methinks.
>
>
>>>
>

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Bankruptcy

[Publius Scribonius Scholasticus]

In the last two weeks or so, we have had almost a full months worth of
activity.


Publius Scribonius Scholasticus

On Sun, Apr 23, 2017 at 8:00 PM, Quazie  wrote:

> And we both registered (or almost registered) in a 48 hour period that has
> coincided with new agoran activity - i'm blaming us for the new activity -
> we (you and I) are the we that are doing the fixing.
>
> On Sun, Apr 23, 2017 at 4:59 PM Publius Scribonius Scholasticus <
> p.scribonius.scholasti...@googlemail.com> wrote:
>
>> I mean the problem being the lack of activity.
>>
>> 
>> Publius Scribonius Scholasticus
>>
>> On Sun, Apr 23, 2017 at 7:44 PM, Quazie  wrote:
>>
>>> It looks like we're fixing it - but I'm fine letting the CFJS that
>>> determine what has happened with my joining be judged by definitive players
>>> so this bout of nonsense can end and the next one begin.
>>>
>>> On Sun, Apr 23, 2017 at 16:41 Publius Scribonius Scholasticus <
>>> p.scribonius.scholasti...@googlemail.com> wrote:
>>>
 Well, that may be the problem we need to fix.

 
 Publius Scribonius Scholasticus

 On Sun, Apr 23, 2017 at 7:02 PM, Quazie  wrote:

>
>
> On Sun, Apr 23, 2017 at 2:36 PM Sprocklem S 
> wrote:
>
>> On Sat, Apr 22, 2017 at 8:56 PM, Aris Merchant
>>  wrote:
>> > On Thu, Apr 20, 2017 at 11:39 PM, Aris Merchant
>> >  wrote:
>> >> On Wed, Apr 19, 2017 at 9:00 PM Owen Jacobson 
>> wrote:
>> >> [...]
>> >>
>> > I found the way to withdraw my CFJ! As per Rule 2175, I retract the
>> > CFJ I began above. In its place, I call a CFJ on the statement
>> > "Assuming that Quazie is a player, e has, within the past week,
>> > exceeded the Income Cap." I submit the same arguments as the above
>> to
>> > the new CFJ, along with the following addendum:
>> >
>> > Correction: When I said Budget Cap, I meant Income Cap.
>> >
>> > -Aris
>>
>> You seem to have forgotten barring Quazie this time.
>>
>> --
>> Sprocklem
>>
>
> Chances of me getting this CFJ are slim, as I only consented to
> judging CFJs once my player state is finalized - Agora isn't quite active
> enough for potentially non-player CFJ judges methinks.
>


>>

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Bankruptcy

[Quazie]

And we both registered (or almost registered) in a 48 hour period that has
coincided with new agoran activity - i'm blaming us for the new activity -
we (you and I) are the we that are doing the fixing.

On Sun, Apr 23, 2017 at 4:59 PM Publius Scribonius Scholasticus <
p.scribonius.scholasti...@googlemail.com> wrote:

> I mean the problem being the lack of activity.
>
> 
> Publius Scribonius Scholasticus
>
> On Sun, Apr 23, 2017 at 7:44 PM, Quazie  wrote:
>
>> It looks like we're fixing it - but I'm fine letting the CFJS that
>> determine what has happened with my joining be judged by definitive players
>> so this bout of nonsense can end and the next one begin.
>>
>> On Sun, Apr 23, 2017 at 16:41 Publius Scribonius Scholasticus <
>> p.scribonius.scholasti...@googlemail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Well, that may be the problem we need to fix.
>>>
>>> 
>>> Publius Scribonius Scholasticus
>>>
>>> On Sun, Apr 23, 2017 at 7:02 PM, Quazie  wrote:
>>>


 On Sun, Apr 23, 2017 at 2:36 PM Sprocklem S 
 wrote:

> On Sat, Apr 22, 2017 at 8:56 PM, Aris Merchant
>  wrote:
> > On Thu, Apr 20, 2017 at 11:39 PM, Aris Merchant
> >  wrote:
> >> On Wed, Apr 19, 2017 at 9:00 PM Owen Jacobson 
> wrote:
> >> [...]
> >>
> > I found the way to withdraw my CFJ! As per Rule 2175, I retract the
> > CFJ I began above. In its place, I call a CFJ on the statement
> > "Assuming that Quazie is a player, e has, within the past week,
> > exceeded the Income Cap." I submit the same arguments as the above to
> > the new CFJ, along with the following addendum:
> >
> > Correction: When I said Budget Cap, I meant Income Cap.
> >
> > -Aris
>
> You seem to have forgotten barring Quazie this time.
>
> --
> Sprocklem
>

 Chances of me getting this CFJ are slim, as I only consented to judging
 CFJs once my player state is finalized - Agora isn't quite active enough
 for potentially non-player CFJ judges methinks.

>>>
>>>
>

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Bankruptcy

[Publius Scribonius Scholasticus]

I mean the problem being the lack of activity.


Publius Scribonius Scholasticus

On Sun, Apr 23, 2017 at 7:44 PM, Quazie  wrote:

> It looks like we're fixing it - but I'm fine letting the CFJS that
> determine what has happened with my joining be judged by definitive players
> so this bout of nonsense can end and the next one begin.
>
> On Sun, Apr 23, 2017 at 16:41 Publius Scribonius Scholasticus <
> p.scribonius.scholasti...@googlemail.com> wrote:
>
>> Well, that may be the problem we need to fix.
>>
>> 
>> Publius Scribonius Scholasticus
>>
>> On Sun, Apr 23, 2017 at 7:02 PM, Quazie  wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sun, Apr 23, 2017 at 2:36 PM Sprocklem S  wrote:
>>>
 On Sat, Apr 22, 2017 at 8:56 PM, Aris Merchant
  wrote:
 > On Thu, Apr 20, 2017 at 11:39 PM, Aris Merchant
 >  wrote:
 >> On Wed, Apr 19, 2017 at 9:00 PM Owen Jacobson 
 wrote:
 >> [...]
 >>
 > I found the way to withdraw my CFJ! As per Rule 2175, I retract the
 > CFJ I began above. In its place, I call a CFJ on the statement
 > "Assuming that Quazie is a player, e has, within the past week,
 > exceeded the Income Cap." I submit the same arguments as the above to
 > the new CFJ, along with the following addendum:
 >
 > Correction: When I said Budget Cap, I meant Income Cap.
 >
 > -Aris

 You seem to have forgotten barring Quazie this time.

 --
 Sprocklem

>>>
>>> Chances of me getting this CFJ are slim, as I only consented to judging
>>> CFJs once my player state is finalized - Agora isn't quite active enough
>>> for potentially non-player CFJ judges methinks.
>>>
>>
>>

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Bankruptcy

[Quazie]

It looks like we're fixing it - but I'm fine letting the CFJS that
determine what has happened with my joining be judged by definitive players
so this bout of nonsense can end and the next one begin.
On Sun, Apr 23, 2017 at 16:41 Publius Scribonius Scholasticus <
p.scribonius.scholasti...@googlemail.com> wrote:

> Well, that may be the problem we need to fix.
>
> 
> Publius Scribonius Scholasticus
>
> On Sun, Apr 23, 2017 at 7:02 PM, Quazie  wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> On Sun, Apr 23, 2017 at 2:36 PM Sprocklem S  wrote:
>>
>>> On Sat, Apr 22, 2017 at 8:56 PM, Aris Merchant
>>>  wrote:
>>> > On Thu, Apr 20, 2017 at 11:39 PM, Aris Merchant
>>> >  wrote:
>>> >> On Wed, Apr 19, 2017 at 9:00 PM Owen Jacobson 
>>> wrote:
>>> >> [...]
>>> >>
>>> > I found the way to withdraw my CFJ! As per Rule 2175, I retract the
>>> > CFJ I began above. In its place, I call a CFJ on the statement
>>> > "Assuming that Quazie is a player, e has, within the past week,
>>> > exceeded the Income Cap." I submit the same arguments as the above to
>>> > the new CFJ, along with the following addendum:
>>> >
>>> > Correction: When I said Budget Cap, I meant Income Cap.
>>> >
>>> > -Aris
>>>
>>> You seem to have forgotten barring Quazie this time.
>>>
>>> --
>>> Sprocklem
>>>
>>
>> Chances of me getting this CFJ are slim, as I only consented to judging
>> CFJs once my player state is finalized - Agora isn't quite active enough
>> for potentially non-player CFJ judges methinks.
>>
>
>

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Bankruptcy

[Publius Scribonius Scholasticus]

Well, that may be the problem we need to fix.


Publius Scribonius Scholasticus

On Sun, Apr 23, 2017 at 7:02 PM, Quazie  wrote:

>
>
> On Sun, Apr 23, 2017 at 2:36 PM Sprocklem S  wrote:
>
>> On Sat, Apr 22, 2017 at 8:56 PM, Aris Merchant
>>  wrote:
>> > On Thu, Apr 20, 2017 at 11:39 PM, Aris Merchant
>> >  wrote:
>> >> On Wed, Apr 19, 2017 at 9:00 PM Owen Jacobson 
>> wrote:
>> >> [...]
>> >>
>> > I found the way to withdraw my CFJ! As per Rule 2175, I retract the
>> > CFJ I began above. In its place, I call a CFJ on the statement
>> > "Assuming that Quazie is a player, e has, within the past week,
>> > exceeded the Income Cap." I submit the same arguments as the above to
>> > the new CFJ, along with the following addendum:
>> >
>> > Correction: When I said Budget Cap, I meant Income Cap.
>> >
>> > -Aris
>>
>> You seem to have forgotten barring Quazie this time.
>>
>> --
>> Sprocklem
>>
>
> Chances of me getting this CFJ are slim, as I only consented to judging
> CFJs once my player state is finalized - Agora isn't quite active enough
> for potentially non-player CFJ judges methinks.
>

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Bankruptcy

[Quazie]

On Sun, Apr 23, 2017 at 2:36 PM Sprocklem S  wrote:

> On Sat, Apr 22, 2017 at 8:56 PM, Aris Merchant
>  wrote:
> > On Thu, Apr 20, 2017 at 11:39 PM, Aris Merchant
> >  wrote:
> >> On Wed, Apr 19, 2017 at 9:00 PM Owen Jacobson  wrote:
> >> [...]
> >>
> > I found the way to withdraw my CFJ! As per Rule 2175, I retract the
> > CFJ I began above. In its place, I call a CFJ on the statement
> > "Assuming that Quazie is a player, e has, within the past week,
> > exceeded the Income Cap." I submit the same arguments as the above to
> > the new CFJ, along with the following addendum:
> >
> > Correction: When I said Budget Cap, I meant Income Cap.
> >
> > -Aris
>
> You seem to have forgotten barring Quazie this time.
>
> --
> Sprocklem
>

Chances of me getting this CFJ are slim, as I only consented to judging
CFJs once my player state is finalized - Agora isn't quite active enough
for potentially non-player CFJ judges methinks.

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Bankruptcy

[Sprocklem S]

On Sat, Apr 22, 2017 at 8:56 PM, Aris Merchant
 wrote:
> On Thu, Apr 20, 2017 at 11:39 PM, Aris Merchant
>  wrote:
>> On Wed, Apr 19, 2017 at 9:00 PM Owen Jacobson  wrote:
>> [...]
>>
> I found the way to withdraw my CFJ! As per Rule 2175, I retract the
> CFJ I began above. In its place, I call a CFJ on the statement
> "Assuming that Quazie is a player, e has, within the past week,
> exceeded the Income Cap." I submit the same arguments as the above to
> the new CFJ, along with the following addendum:
>
> Correction: When I said Budget Cap, I meant Income Cap.
>
> -Aris

You seem to have forgotten barring Quazie this time.

-- 
Sprocklem

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Bankruptcy

[Aris Merchant]

On Wed, Apr 19, 2017 at 9:00 PM Owen Jacobson  wrote:

> On Apr 19, 2017, at 11:55 PM, Aris Merchant  gmail.com> wrote:
>
> On Wed, Apr 19, 2017 at 8:29 PM Owen Jacobson  wrote:
>
>
> Leaving aside that one budget is not fully determinate, it is definitely
>> the case that, if Quazie is a player, then this action would make Quazie’s
>> Expenditure is no less than 225, and may be greater. The current Income Cap
>> is 100.
>>
>> Assuming that Quazie is a player, as Secretary, I declare em Bankrupt, as
>> per Rule 2462.
>>
>
> I CFJ (barring Quazie) on the statement "Assuming that Quazie is a player,
> e has, within the past week, exceeded the Budget Cap." Arguments:
> "Allowable" could mean either "possible" or "permissible". If it's the
> later, e has not exceeded the Cap, as the highest permissible value is the
> highest value e could not be punished for. Additionally, if the action is
> ambiguous between the two (or otherwise
>
>
> Income Cap.
>
> -o
>

Oops. Does that invalidate the CFJ? I can't seem to find any way to
> withdraw it, so I guess I'll just hope the Judge judges it on the merits.
>

-Aris

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Bankruptcy

[Alex Smith]

On Mon, 2009-01-26 at 13:30 -0500, comex wrote:
 On Mon, Jan 26, 2009 at 12:36 PM, Alex Smith ais...@bham.ac.uk wrote:
  Replacing VP with coins is fine. Giving all the Vote Market parties a
  free ride for the VP they've spent is not.
 
 I've tried selling my votes several times, even for very cheap (10
 coins), but I don't believe any of my votes have ever been bought.
 That said, how am I supposed to regain VP?

I believe that this is a bug in the most recent equity judgement against
the Vote Market.

I would recommend initiating a new equity case, because inability to
regain VP is certainly not envisioned by the contract. I'd do it myself,
but I don't have standing to bring an equity case against the contract
in question.

-- 
ais523