[sw-issues] [Issue 3959] Outline View (aka MS Word)
To comment on the following update, log in, then open the issue: http://www.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=3959 This issue depends on issue 81480, which changed state: What|Old value |New value Status|NEW |RESOLVED Resolution| |FIXED - Please do not reply to this automatically generated notification from Issue Tracker. Please log onto the website and enter your comments. http://qa.openoffice.org/issue_handling/project_issues.html#notification - To unsubscribe, e-mail: issues-unsubscr...@sw.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: issues-h...@sw.openoffice.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: allbugs-unsubscr...@openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: allbugs-h...@openoffice.org
[sw-issues] [Issue 3959] Outline View (aka MS Word)
To comment on the following update, log in, then open the issue: http://www.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=3959 --- Additional comments from robin_dan...@openoffice.org Wed Dec 15 11:14:17 + 2010 --- Wow - 81480 is resolved, so may we now hope that this one will at last be addressed? I do manage to avoid MSO, but only by using Action Outline from Green Parrots as my notebook/outliner/drafting space, and then going straight to Scribus. I'd still much prefer to work in OpenOffice. I'm going to have to try to work out how to follow the progress of defects again, as it's years since I bothered, as the answer to this one was always it's impossible. Impossible NO LONGER! - Please do not reply to this automatically generated notification from Issue Tracker. Please log onto the website and enter your comments. http://qa.openoffice.org/issue_handling/project_issues.html#notification - To unsubscribe, e-mail: issues-unsubscr...@sw.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: issues-h...@sw.openoffice.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: allbugs-unsubscr...@openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: allbugs-h...@openoffice.org
[sw-issues] [Issue 3959] Outline View (aka MS Word)
To comment on the following update, log in, then open the issue: http://www.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=3959 User darobm changed the following: What|Old value |New value CC|'basex,bill_leach,catch,da|'basex,bill_leach,catch,da |lo,discoleo,dmelgar,erikan|lo,darobm,discoleo,dmelgar |derson3,ezh,graaf,hatless,|,erikanderson3,ezh,graaf,h |kamataki,karabot,lijian,ma|atless,kamataki,karabot,li |cias,mba,mikenerone,nigelc|jian,macias,mba,mikenerone |,nmailhot,pagalmes,pescett|,nigelc,nmailhot,pagalmes, |i,rajbhaskar,remote29,rich|pescetti,rajbhaskar,remote |lv,shubes,syzygy,tora'|29,richlv,shubes,syzygy,to | |ra' - Please do not reply to this automatically generated notification from Issue Tracker. Please log onto the website and enter your comments. http://qa.openoffice.org/issue_handling/project_issues.html#notification - To unsubscribe, e-mail: issues-unsubscr...@sw.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: issues-h...@sw.openoffice.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: allbugs-unsubscr...@openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: allbugs-h...@openoffice.org
[sw-issues] [Issue 3959] Outline View (aka MS Word)
To comment on the following update, log in, then open the issue: http://www.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=3959 User syzygy changed the following: What|Old value |New value CC|'basex,bill_leach,catch,da|'basex,bill_leach,catch,da |lo,discoleo,dmelgar,erikan|lo,discoleo,dmelgar,erikan |derson3,ezh,graaf,hatless,|derson3,ezh,graaf,hatless, |kamataki,karabot,lijian,ma|kamataki,karabot,lijian,ma |cias,mba,mikenerone,mwedwa|cias,mba,mikenerone,mwedwa |rds,nigelc,nmailhot,pagalm|rds,nigelc,nmailhot,pagalm |es,pescetti,rajbhaskar,rem|es,pescetti,rajbhaskar,rem |ote29,richlv,shubes,tora' |ote29,richlv,shubes,syzygy | |,tora' - Please do not reply to this automatically generated notification from Issue Tracker. Please log onto the website and enter your comments. http://qa.openoffice.org/issue_handling/project_issues.html#notification - To unsubscribe, e-mail: issues-unsubscr...@sw.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: issues-h...@sw.openoffice.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: allbugs-unsubscr...@openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: allbugs-h...@openoffice.org
[sw-issues] [Issue 3959] Outline View (aka MS Word)
To comment on the following update, log in, then open the issue: http://www.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=3959 User mwedwards changed the following: What|Old value |New value CC|'basex,bill_leach,catch,da|'basex,bill_leach,catch,da |lo,discoleo,dmelgar,erikan|lo,discoleo,dmelgar,erikan |derson3,ezh,graaf,hatless,|derson3,ezh,graaf,hatless, |kamataki,karabot,lijian,ma|kamataki,karabot,lijian,ma |cias,mba,mikenerone,mwedwa|cias,mba,mikenerone,nigelc |rds,nigelc,nmailhot,pagalm|,nmailhot,pagalmes,pescett |es,pescetti,rajbhaskar,rem|i,rajbhaskar,remote29,rich |ote29,richlv,shubes,syzygy|lv,shubes,syzygy,tora' |,tora'| - Please do not reply to this automatically generated notification from Issue Tracker. Please log onto the website and enter your comments. http://qa.openoffice.org/issue_handling/project_issues.html#notification - To unsubscribe, e-mail: issues-unsubscr...@sw.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: issues-h...@sw.openoffice.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: allbugs-unsubscr...@openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: allbugs-h...@openoffice.org
[sw-issues] [Issue 3959] Outline View (aka MS Word)
To comment on the following update, log in, then open the issue: http://www.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=3959 --- Additional comments from che...@openoffice.org Mon Apr 12 00:18:30 + 2010 --- Well, happy 8th birthday bug 3959.. :-( I personally think a multiview concept is overkill - nice to have, but not worth keeping up a resolution for. The last MSO I bought was 2003, and I'm still using it. This has, however, a FAR better outliner in Powerpoint than it has in Word, and I would personally prefer that model. I think the demand originates in two separate quarters: - Original writers that write from scratch. I always pop up Powerpoint or Freemind and draw an initial structure before I let myself loose, as the structure makes or breaks the document in terms of clarity and accessibility. - Editors and template based workers. For them outline is a navigational tool, but even there the Navigator isn't enough as it doesn't support manipulation of that structure. However, please avoid overkill. The feature is for most people I know to work with documents an absolutely critical component to do their work. Without it, there is no chance OpenOffice will ever make it into the corporate environment. As a matter of fact, it's the reason I still use (old) MS Office.. - Please do not reply to this automatically generated notification from Issue Tracker. Please log onto the website and enter your comments. http://qa.openoffice.org/issue_handling/project_issues.html#notification - To unsubscribe, e-mail: issues-unsubscr...@sw.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: issues-h...@sw.openoffice.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: allbugs-unsubscr...@openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: allbugs-h...@openoffice.org
[sw-issues] [Issue 3959] Outline View (aka MS Word)
To comment on the following update, log in, then open the issue: http://www.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=3959 --- Additional comments from jsm...@openoffice.org Fri Apr 9 18:30:49 + 2010 --- I do a lot of technical documentation. Documenting evolving technologies is already difficult when trying to make sure the language and structure of the presentation accurately conveys the realities of the technology. The only way this can be efficient of time in a word processor - or even possible - is be able to collapse individual outline headings and move them to different parts of the document - including moving blocks of heading and text to different heading levels. The absence of this feature in OpenOffice means I have to use MS Word. That is too bad because the Open Office product is excellent in so many other ways. - Please do not reply to this automatically generated notification from Issue Tracker. Please log onto the website and enter your comments. http://qa.openoffice.org/issue_handling/project_issues.html#notification - To unsubscribe, e-mail: issues-unsubscr...@sw.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: issues-h...@sw.openoffice.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: allbugs-unsubscr...@openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: allbugs-h...@openoffice.org
[sw-issues] [Issue 3959] Outline View (aka MS Word)
To comment on the following update, log in, then open the issue: http://www.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=3959 --- Additional comments from joaoso...@openoffice.org Wed Mar 17 15:29:51 + 2010 --- Just to help emphasise the importance of outline view. I used outline mode in ms word intensively to write both my graduation and doctoral thesis. It is a valuable tool to jot and organize the ideas that will eventually become sections and paragraphs. The ability to promote and demote text, to collapse sections and to drag whole sections and paragraphs easily all over the document is a very valuable composition feature. I does seem like a mind mapping tool for your document. I switched to OpenOffice and have been using it almost exclusively for the last 8 years and this is a feature I miss every time I have to write a document with more than a couple of sections or paragraphs. Without it, it feels like I have to write a document linearly, having to decide a priori the final structure of the document. - Please do not reply to this automatically generated notification from Issue Tracker. Please log onto the website and enter your comments. http://qa.openoffice.org/issue_handling/project_issues.html#notification - To unsubscribe, e-mail: issues-unsubscr...@sw.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: issues-h...@sw.openoffice.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: allbugs-unsubscr...@openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: allbugs-h...@openoffice.org
[sw-issues] [Issue 3959] Outline View (aka MS Word)
To comment on the following update, log in, then open the issue: http://www.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=3959 --- Additional comments from nrtula...@openoffice.org Mon Feb 8 07:23:04 + 2010 --- I want to push back on the multiple views don't matter, just do Outline now outcry. drhatch was right to point out that this is the bottleneck, but wrong to focus on the multiple simultaneous views aspect. Mathias explained that the motivation for re-factoring the layout code is to support new views cleanly. The ability to see a document in different views simultaneously will be one result, but that is not the main reason for doing it. First they are reorganising the existing modes to support views in a more modular way. Then they can deliver several new views, not just Outline, more easily, and hopefully more stably, than writing separate standalone view modes. I have hankered for an outliner in Writer for years now. I learned to use the Navigator and Outline Numbering as recommended, but it really isn't the same, so occasionally I am forced back to Word just for outlining. But if the delay is caused by Doing The Right Thing, then I can wait a bit longer. - Please do not reply to this automatically generated notification from Issue Tracker. Please log onto the website and enter your comments. http://qa.openoffice.org/issue_handling/project_issues.html#notification - To unsubscribe, e-mail: issues-unsubscr...@sw.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: issues-h...@sw.openoffice.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: allbugs-unsubscr...@openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: allbugs-h...@openoffice.org
[sw-issues] [Issue 3959] Outline View (aka MS Word)
To comment on the following update, log in, then open the issue: http://www.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=3959 --- Additional comments from alexgor...@openoffice.org Mon Dec 28 04:40:19 + 2009 --- Missing Outline mode is a show stopper for me. All the documents I create (Technical Specs, etc) are written and read in the MS Word Outline View. I can not use OO until this feature is implemented. - Please do not reply to this automatically generated notification from Issue Tracker. Please log onto the website and enter your comments. http://qa.openoffice.org/issue_handling/project_issues.html#notification - To unsubscribe, e-mail: issues-unsubscr...@sw.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: issues-h...@sw.openoffice.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: allbugs-unsubscr...@openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: allbugs-h...@openoffice.org
[sw-issues] [Issue 3959] Outline View (aka MS Word)
To comment on the following update, log in, then open the issue: http://www.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=3959 --- Additional comments from reg...@openoffice.org Sun Dec 6 18:18:43 + 2009 --- *** Issue 107464 has been marked as a duplicate of this issue. *** - Please do not reply to this automatically generated notification from Issue Tracker. Please log onto the website and enter your comments. http://qa.openoffice.org/issue_handling/project_issues.html#notification - To unsubscribe, e-mail: issues-unsubscr...@sw.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: issues-h...@sw.openoffice.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: allbugs-unsubscr...@openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: allbugs-h...@openoffice.org
[sw-issues] [Issue 3959] Outline View (aka MS Word)
To comment on the following update, log in, then open the issue: http://www.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=3959 --- Additional comments from sop...@openoffice.org Mon Nov 23 08:43:10 + 2009 --- If you still want to use Microsoft Office but you have a Unix like operating system, then you can use the Wine windows compatibility layer. I'm using a supported flavor of Wine (Crossover Linux Professional) and this allows Microsoft Office 97 too work well on my linux box (Ubuntu). - Please do not reply to this automatically generated notification from Issue Tracker. Please log onto the website and enter your comments. http://qa.openoffice.org/issue_handling/project_issues.html#notification - To unsubscribe, e-mail: issues-unsubscr...@sw.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: issues-h...@sw.openoffice.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: allbugs-unsubscr...@openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: allbugs-h...@openoffice.org
[sw-issues] [Issue 3959] Outline View (aka MS Word)
To comment on the following update, log in, then open the issue: http://www.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=3959 --- Additional comments from anoops...@openoffice.org Mon Nov 23 19:12:54 + 2009 --- I also think that Outline View is essential, but it does not need to be more complicated than necessary. I propose these specifications for the outline view: REQUIRED: Ability to view headings down to any heading level. Ability to promote/demote sections of the document. Ability to collapse/expand view of particular sections of document. Ability to move or delete whole sections of the document easily. Text fields to be shown. Math formulae (or their LaTex/OOO math text representation) to be shown. Simple formatting (superscripts, bold, italic, underline, colour) to be displayed (but not necessarily WYSIWYG - it is acceptable to simply display markup codes if this makes the program easier to develop) Hyperlinks should function. Full search and replace ability. Ability to switch to Page View with the cursor in the same position in the document. Fast responsive viewing. Ability to select/cut/copy/paste text using the mouse or keyboard. NOT REQUIRED: Different fonts are not required - all text can be viewed in the same font; in fact even a pure PLAIN TEXT display with judicious use of colour and a fixed width font is acceptable (like Vim, Emacs, Kile etc.). Images do not need to be displayed. Margins, page formatting, columns, justification etc. do not need to be displayed. Table row/column widths do not need to be displayed accurately (in fact tables could even be omitted and replaced by a [TABLE] tag or suchlike; clicking on the tag would switch to Page View with the cursor in the table) The people who need this don't care about eye candy - the outline view has to be fast and easy to navigate but not necessarily pretty. - Please do not reply to this automatically generated notification from Issue Tracker. Please log onto the website and enter your comments. http://qa.openoffice.org/issue_handling/project_issues.html#notification - To unsubscribe, e-mail: issues-unsubscr...@sw.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: issues-h...@sw.openoffice.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: allbugs-unsubscr...@openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: allbugs-h...@openoffice.org
[sw-issues] [Issue 3959] Outline View (aka MS Word)
To comment on the following update, log in, then open the issue: http://www.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=3959 --- Additional comments from eliezeryudkow...@openoffice.org Mon Nov 23 06:34:59 + 2009 --- The lack of an MSWord-style Outline view in Writer is the main reason I have to keep using Word instead of Writer. And Word is the main reason I use Windows XP on a daily basis instead of Ubuntu Linux. Which is to say: the lack of this one feature keeps me on Windows. Totally serious. If I could give it all 5 votes I would. - Please do not reply to this automatically generated notification from Issue Tracker. Please log onto the website and enter your comments. http://qa.openoffice.org/issue_handling/project_issues.html#notification - To unsubscribe, e-mail: issues-unsubscr...@sw.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: issues-h...@sw.openoffice.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: allbugs-unsubscr...@openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: allbugs-h...@openoffice.org
[sw-issues] [Issue 3959] Outline View (aka MS Word)
To comment on the following update, log in, then open the issue: http://www.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=3959 --- Additional comments from oba...@openoffice.org Fri Oct 30 13:56:35 + 2009 --- This issue prevents me from using openoffice writer for authoring all but the simplest documents. I'm stuck with MS Word until it's resolved, which is a shame because oowriter is otherwise such a great product! - Please do not reply to this automatically generated notification from Issue Tracker. Please log onto the website and enter your comments. http://qa.openoffice.org/issue_handling/project_issues.html#notification - To unsubscribe, e-mail: issues-unsubscr...@sw.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: issues-h...@sw.openoffice.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: allbugs-unsubscr...@openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: allbugs-h...@openoffice.org
[sw-issues] [Issue 3959] Outline View (aka MS Word)
To comment on the following update, log in, then open the issue: http://www.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=3959 --- Additional comments from dmel...@openoffice.org Fri Oct 30 14:58:00 + 2009 --- There should be an easy way to stop email from this site. I was interested in the outline issue many years ago when I originally posted. This issue has been open for 7 (seven) years! It is obvious that its never going to happen. I no longer have any interest in Openoffice. How can I delete my account or otherwise get removed from the email list? - Please do not reply to this automatically generated notification from Issue Tracker. Please log onto the website and enter your comments. http://qa.openoffice.org/issue_handling/project_issues.html#notification - To unsubscribe, e-mail: issues-unsubscr...@sw.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: issues-h...@sw.openoffice.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: allbugs-unsubscr...@openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: allbugs-h...@openoffice.org
[sw-issues] [Issue 3959] Outline View (aka MS Word)
To comment on the following update, log in, then open the issue: http://www.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=3959 --- Additional comments from sop...@openoffice.org Fri Oct 30 15:31:09 + 2009 --- Just make a survey beside you and you will get the same answer: What ? There is no outline view in OpenOffice ? I will not install it. - Please do not reply to this automatically generated notification from Issue Tracker. Please log onto the website and enter your comments. http://qa.openoffice.org/issue_handling/project_issues.html#notification - To unsubscribe, e-mail: issues-unsubscr...@sw.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: issues-h...@sw.openoffice.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: allbugs-unsubscr...@openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: allbugs-h...@openoffice.org
[sw-issues] [Issue 3959] Outline View (aka MS Word)
To comment on the following update, log in, then open the issue: http://www.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=3959 --- Additional comments from m...@openoffice.org Fri Oct 30 15:43:24 + 2009 --- *** Issue 106496 has been marked as a duplicate of this issue. *** - Please do not reply to this automatically generated notification from Issue Tracker. Please log onto the website and enter your comments. http://qa.openoffice.org/issue_handling/project_issues.html#notification - To unsubscribe, e-mail: issues-unsubscr...@sw.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: issues-h...@sw.openoffice.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: allbugs-unsubscr...@openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: allbugs-h...@openoffice.org
[sw-issues] [Issue 3959] Outline View (aka MS Word)
To comment on the following update, log in, then open the issue: http://www.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=3959 --- Additional comments from lllact...@openoffice.org Mon Sep 7 09:50:55 + 2009 --- Why do the developers not just use M$ Word Outline view for a while and try out all the features to know what is wanted. Why should users keep on explaining what it should be capable of? If they are interested, they will. We need a programmer that is interested to use it her-/himself. In the mean time I got a MacBook with 2 cheap programmes that do it as well; Pages and Omni Group's Omnioutliner (just like dmelgar does). Have a look and see what Omnioutliner can do. http://neowiki.neooffice.org/index.php/Guide_to_Outlining It is a dead issue by now --- Opened: Wed Apr 10 19:39:00 + 2002 It is not going to come soon. Sorry . - Please do not reply to this automatically generated notification from Issue Tracker. Please log onto the website and enter your comments. http://qa.openoffice.org/issue_handling/project_issues.html#notification - To unsubscribe, e-mail: issues-unsubscr...@sw.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: issues-h...@sw.openoffice.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: allbugs-unsubscr...@openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: allbugs-h...@openoffice.org
[sw-issues] [Issue 3959] Outline View (aka MS Word)
To comment on the following update, log in, then open the issue: http://www.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=3959 User shubes changed the following: What|Old value |New value CC|'basex,bill_leach,catch,da|'basex,bill_leach,catch,da |lo,discoleo,dmelgar,erikan|lo,discoleo,dmelgar,erikan |derson3,ezh,graaf,hatless,|derson3,ezh,graaf,hatless, |kamataki,karabot,lijian,ma|kamataki,karabot,lijian,ma |cias,mba,mikenerone,mwedwa|cias,mba,mikenerone,mwedwa |rds,nigelc,nmailhot,pagalm|rds,nigelc,nmailhot,pagalm |es,pescetti,rajbhaskar,rem|es,pescetti,rajbhaskar,rem |ote29,richlv,tora'|ote29,richlv,shubes,tora' - Please do not reply to this automatically generated notification from Issue Tracker. Please log onto the website and enter your comments. http://qa.openoffice.org/issue_handling/project_issues.html#notification - To unsubscribe, e-mail: issues-unsubscr...@sw.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: issues-h...@sw.openoffice.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: allbugs-unsubscr...@openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: allbugs-h...@openoffice.org
[sw-issues] [Issue 3959] Outline View (aka MS Word)
To comment on the following update, log in, then open the issue: http://www.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=3959 --- Additional comments from tsudhon...@openoffice.org Thu Sep 3 13:52:04 + 2009 --- http://www.xkcd.com/619/ The whole purpose of outline view is to see the bones of the document and how ideas relate to one another and move the ideas around to improve the flow of content. Seeing the font sizes and faces is necessary, because in a rational document they indicate relative importance. There is no need to have outline and any other view open - the only time I remember doing it in Microsoft Word was when I was showing someone how it worked. Watching the page layout view or web page view change as I move a header in outline view is not needed. I know I'm moving chunks of text, and I know it is affecting the layout. That will get fixed later. I don't care if it takes several seconds to recalculate outline view. It's not a view that one switches into and out of very often. - Please do not reply to this automatically generated notification from Issue Tracker. Please log onto the website and enter your comments. http://qa.openoffice.org/issue_handling/project_issues.html#notification - To unsubscribe, e-mail: issues-unsubscr...@sw.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: issues-h...@sw.openoffice.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: allbugs-unsubscr...@openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: allbugs-h...@openoffice.org
[sw-issues] [Issue 3959] Outline View (aka MS Word)
To comment on the following update, log in, then open the issue: http://www.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=3959 --- Additional comments from mas...@openoffice.org Tue Sep 1 08:37:24 + 2009 --- Well, for example : one thing you can't do in the Ooo Navigator is selecting a chapter and just delete it. I use this a lot... on MS Office (the only and last reason why I still use it). This would be cool if we had it in Ooo. 2 other cool features would be : - seeing your selection both in your page and in your navigator. - multiple selections to move several chapters. - Please do not reply to this automatically generated notification from Issue Tracker. Please log onto the website and enter your comments. http://qa.openoffice.org/issue_handling/project_issues.html#notification - To unsubscribe, e-mail: issues-unsubscr...@sw.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: issues-h...@sw.openoffice.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: allbugs-unsubscr...@openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: allbugs-h...@openoffice.org
[sw-issues] [Issue 3959] Outline View (aka MS Word)
To comment on the following update, log in, then open the issue: http://www.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=3959 --- Additional comments from drha...@openoffice.org Mon Aug 31 15:23:17 + 2009 --- I wish to call into question a fundamental assumption that has been made about this effort, the assumption that has held up development for years: that multiple layout capability must exist before outline view can be useful. This is holding up outline view because multiple layout capability (issue 81480) is a big effort, and it, in turn, requires refactoring of writer's usage of the drawing layer (issue 100875) and the latter has some significant technical difficulties. It seems unlikely that these issues will be finished soon. The logic behind this assumption is that switching views will take too long if multiple layouts are not possible and/or most users will need simultaneous viewing for outline view to be useful. I disagree with both these assertions. 1. Simultaneous viewing is not necessary. I have been using Word's outline view extensively for years without simultaneous viewing. Even though it's possible with split screens, it takes up screen real estate that I want to use otherwise. 2. It won't take that long to switch layouts. For starters, even with multiple layouts the initial delay will be encountered. After that the delays will be small. On my two-year-old low-end desktop computer using Windows Xp, an open instance of OpenOffice.org will load a 75K-word, 178-page document in two seconds. A more typical 8.3k-word, 31 page document loads in less than one second. These are clearly upper bounds for the time to completely recalculate the layout, since other functions are included in docuument opening as well. I, for one, would much rather have an outline view soon, one that takes a couple of seconds to switch, and which is available only as a single view, than wait the extra time it is going to take for the multiple-layout refactoring to be finished. That would be enough for me for a long time. This is a case of perfect being the enemy of good enough. Let's just have good enough for a while first. - Please do not reply to this automatically generated notification from Issue Tracker. Please log onto the website and enter your comments. http://qa.openoffice.org/issue_handling/project_issues.html#notification - To unsubscribe, e-mail: issues-unsubscr...@sw.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: issues-h...@sw.openoffice.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: allbugs-unsubscr...@openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: allbugs-h...@openoffice.org
[sw-issues] [Issue 3959] Outline View (aka MS Word)
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[sw-issues] [Issue 3959] Outline View (aka MS Word)
To comment on the following update, log in, then open the issue: http://www.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=3959 --- Additional comments from bill_le...@openoffice.org Mon Aug 31 17:37:18 + 2009 --- After reading the comments just posted by drhatch, I feel that I should chime in. I also have used and am forced to use, MSWord. I have used MSWord's outline view many hundreds of times. I have NEVER opened a document in both the outline view and any other view. I have always switched to the outline view only when it was the most efficient view for what I was doing (which is either creating an outline or more often reordering sections/subsection). Again, I have never had outline view open with normal layout view, web layout view, print layout view, or reading layout view open at the same time. - Please do not reply to this automatically generated notification from Issue Tracker. Please log onto the website and enter your comments. http://qa.openoffice.org/issue_handling/project_issues.html#notification - To unsubscribe, e-mail: issues-unsubscr...@sw.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: issues-h...@sw.openoffice.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: allbugs-unsubscr...@openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: allbugs-h...@openoffice.org
[sw-issues] [Issue 3959] Outline View (aka MS Word)
To comment on the following update, log in, then open the issue: http://www.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=3959 --- Additional comments from cama...@openoffice.org Mon Aug 31 18:52:07 + 2009 --- I also agree completely that an Outline view as single view would completely(!) satisfy my professional needs. Never used outline as a split screen in word! - Please do not reply to this automatically generated notification from Issue Tracker. Please log onto the website and enter your comments. http://qa.openoffice.org/issue_handling/project_issues.html#notification - To unsubscribe, e-mail: issues-unsubscr...@sw.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: issues-h...@sw.openoffice.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: allbugs-unsubscr...@openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: allbugs-h...@openoffice.org
[sw-issues] [Issue 3959] Outline View (aka MS Word)
To comment on the following update, log in, then open the issue: http://www.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=3959 --- Additional comments from eastwestcultu...@openoffice.org Mon Aug 31 20:41:06 + 2009 --- Another vote for implementing just a single view Outline format. It's all I ever use - or anyone else I know. Available soon and functional is better than some day it will be perfect. Free us from MS Word! - Please do not reply to this automatically generated notification from Issue Tracker. Please log onto the website and enter your comments. http://qa.openoffice.org/issue_handling/project_issues.html#notification - To unsubscribe, e-mail: issues-unsubscr...@sw.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: issues-h...@sw.openoffice.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: allbugs-unsubscr...@openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: allbugs-h...@openoffice.org
[sw-issues] [Issue 3959] Outline View (aka MS Word)
To comment on the following update, log in, then open the issue: http://www.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=3959 --- Additional comments from ru...@openoffice.org Mon Aug 31 21:14:43 + 2009 --- I agree with other recent comments-- I use outline view in Word extensively but almost never simultaneously with standard view. There's really no good reason why this feature needs to be dependent on multiple simultaneous layouts. Absence of outline view continues (after how many years now?) to be the biggest obstacle to my switching from MSW to OO. - Please do not reply to this automatically generated notification from Issue Tracker. Please log onto the website and enter your comments. http://qa.openoffice.org/issue_handling/project_issues.html#notification - To unsubscribe, e-mail: issues-unsubscr...@sw.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: issues-h...@sw.openoffice.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: allbugs-unsubscr...@openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: allbugs-h...@openoffice.org
[sw-issues] [Issue 3959] Outline View (aka MS Word)
To comment on the following update, log in, then open the issue: http://www.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=3959 --- Additional comments from liot...@openoffice.org Mon Aug 31 21:48:53 + 2009 --- Before too many mee too comments pile up on top of drhatch's insight, here is a quick poll to collect the opinions - http://serendipity.ruwenzori.net/index.php/2009/08/31/poll-does-anyone-use-microsoft-words-outline-view-simultaneously-with-another-view - Please do not reply to this automatically generated notification from Issue Tracker. Please log onto the website and enter your comments. http://qa.openoffice.org/issue_handling/project_issues.html#notification - To unsubscribe, e-mail: issues-unsubscr...@sw.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: issues-h...@sw.openoffice.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: allbugs-unsubscr...@openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: allbugs-h...@openoffice.org
[sw-issues] [Issue 3959] Outline View (aka MS Word)
To comment on the following update, log in, then open the issue: http://www.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=3959 --- Additional comments from johngardne...@openoffice.org Tue Sep 1 04:08:34 + 2009 --- I agree with drhatch, I don't need simultaneous views, just a good functional outline view. - Please do not reply to this automatically generated notification from Issue Tracker. Please log onto the website and enter your comments. http://qa.openoffice.org/issue_handling/project_issues.html#notification - To unsubscribe, e-mail: issues-unsubscr...@sw.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: issues-h...@sw.openoffice.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: allbugs-unsubscr...@openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: allbugs-h...@openoffice.org
[sw-issues] [Issue 3959] Outline View (aka MS Word)
To comment on the following update, log in, then open the issue: http://www.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=3959 --- Additional comments from needaham...@openoffice.org Tue Sep 1 04:53:11 + 2009 --- I too want the outline view in writer and having it as the only active view is fine. I have been using outlining software since Maxthink in the 80's. That, was the easiest/fastest IMHO, but never left it's basic DOS roots. Outlining in MS word was barely OK, but mostly, just better than the alternatives. Mostly for compatibility reasons. Given that even elementary school writing classes began with create an outline I am continuously dismayed by the short shrift outlining tools receive. Make it great in OOo and you have a good differentiating feature vis-a-vis the competition. It needs easy keyboard shortcuts in outline view for expand/collapse, promote/demote and rearrange. Thanks!!! - Please do not reply to this automatically generated notification from Issue Tracker. Please log onto the website and enter your comments. http://qa.openoffice.org/issue_handling/project_issues.html#notification - To unsubscribe, e-mail: issues-unsubscr...@sw.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: issues-h...@sw.openoffice.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: allbugs-unsubscr...@openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: allbugs-h...@openoffice.org
[sw-issues] [Issue 3959] Outline View (aka MS Word)
To comment on the following update, log in, then open the issue: http://www.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=3959 --- Additional comments from asexym...@openoffice.org Mon Aug 10 21:49:16 + 2009 --- Like many around this issue, the lack of support for the MS Word outline feature is the single stumbling block to using OO for me and my team. We use the outline feature as an integral part of our project planning and communication. Through the outline feature we also integrate our Mind Manager documents and our Personal Brain Documents - using MS Word outline as the lowest common denominator in our information organization food chain. Since many of my friends are OO users, I end up sending them text versions of my outlines with screen shots of the organization, and request them to use the Navigator to get the effect that I mean to communicate. None of them have been willing to go through that learning curve, so I end up having to do my work twice - end result - I do less collaboration with my OO conterparts. It isn't worth the effort, and I am not willing to give up the advantages in organization and clarity that the outline feature creates. I know this is not the purpose/intention, but it is the real world result. I revisit OO each year to see if the problem is addressed. Each year, 7 years into the problem, the answer is no. I have no right or basis to complain. I do want the OO community to get the impact of not integrating this feature. - Please do not reply to this automatically generated notification from Issue Tracker. Please log onto the website and enter your comments. http://qa.openoffice.org/issue_handling/project_issues.html#notification - To unsubscribe, e-mail: issues-unsubscr...@sw.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: issues-h...@sw.openoffice.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: allbugs-unsubscr...@openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: allbugs-h...@openoffice.org
[sw-issues] [Issue 3959] Outline View (aka MS Word)
To comment on the following update, log in, then open the issue: http://www.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=3959 --- Additional comments from johngardne...@openoffice.org Fri Jun 26 23:46:21 + 2009 --- Outline is one of my favorite features and is the single biggest issue with my mainstream use of OO. It is a huge issue for my students because outline view is an awesome way of organizing thoughts. Should work for both number and bulleted outlines - Please do not reply to this automatically generated notification from Issue Tracker. Please log onto the website and enter your comments. http://qa.openoffice.org/issue_handling/project_issues.html#notification - To unsubscribe, e-mail: issues-unsubscr...@sw.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: issues-h...@sw.openoffice.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: allbugs-unsubscr...@openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: allbugs-h...@openoffice.org
[sw-issues] [Issue 3959] Outline View (aka MS Word)
To comment on the following update, log in, then open the issue: http://www.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=3959 --- Additional comments from johngardne...@openoffice.org Fri Jun 26 23:54:15 + 2009 --- Outline is one of my favorite features and is the single biggest issue with my mainstream use of OO Writer vs Word. It is a huge issue for my students because outline view is an awesome way of organizing thoughts. Should work for both number and bulleted outlines. My wife and kids strongly prefer using Word, I have not been able to ascertain why other than familiarity and the lack of an outline view. - Please do not reply to this automatically generated notification from Issue Tracker. Please log onto the website and enter your comments. http://qa.openoffice.org/issue_handling/project_issues.html#notification - To unsubscribe, e-mail: issues-unsubscr...@sw.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: issues-h...@sw.openoffice.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: allbugs-unsubscr...@openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: allbugs-h...@openoffice.org
[sw-issues] [Issue 3959] Outline View (aka MS Word)
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[sw-issues] [Issue 3959] Outline View (aka MS Word)
To comment on the following update, log in, then open the issue: http://www.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=3959 User mba changed the following: What|Old value |New value Assigned to|requirements |mba --- Additional comments from m...@openoffice.org Fri May 29 13:09:00 + 2009 --- I have updated the dependencies to reflect the status quo of the work on the preconditions for this issue. - Please do not reply to this automatically generated notification from Issue Tracker. Please log onto the website and enter your comments. http://qa.openoffice.org/issue_handling/project_issues.html#notification - To unsubscribe, e-mail: issues-unsubscr...@sw.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: issues-h...@sw.openoffice.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: allbugs-unsubscr...@openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: allbugs-h...@openoffice.org
[sw-issues] [Issue 3959] Outline View (aka MS Word)
To comment on the following update, log in, then open the issue: http://www.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=3959 --- Additional comments from leeship...@openoffice.org Tue May 19 00:56:55 + 2009 --- ... perhaps we should be considering integration with a good mind mapping tool. At last! Someone has seen the core issue in this request for an Outline View I started using Starwriter in its first english edition and have had a love/hate relationship with it ever since. Everytime I decided that I must leave MSWord behind I had to recant when I found I couldn't do without a decent outliner. Being in business strategy, I do big documents and reports that need to be extemely well organised, indexed and capable of quick redrafting to fit new perspectives on problems. Normally the right heirarchy is not apparent as the information floods in and the report goes through many revisions as the taxonomy is reworked. It is not just a matter of initial mindmapping but of being able to massage the structure over months and many drafts. If anything the mindmap is quite often the end product not the initiator. Microsoft made the jump years ago when it integrated an outliner into the Views. The StarOffice Writer Navigator has been considerably improved as a view helping not only with the outline but also with a whole host of other bits of the layout. But with the outlining it needs to go one better in allowing drag'n drop for reordering promoting and demoting of heading nodes and the material under them. But perhaps the aim should be to allow for a good mindmap function within the OpenOffice constellation. The opensource and Java-based, Freeview, a clear favourite in mindmapping should be seriously considered for closer integration. It could hold the same relationship as to Writer as Calc, Impress or Base--so long as the necessary integration could be done cleanly. It would be a clear product differentiator that would drive people to use OpenOffice as their first choice. - Please do not reply to this automatically generated notification from Issue Tracker. Please log onto the website and enter your comments. http://qa.openoffice.org/issue_handling/project_issues.html#notification - To unsubscribe, e-mail: issues-unsubscr...@sw.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: issues-h...@sw.openoffice.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: allbugs-unsubscr...@openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: allbugs-h...@openoffice.org
[sw-issues] [Issue 3959] Outline View (aka MS Word)
To comment on the following update, log in, then open the issue: http://www.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=3959 --- Additional comments from disco...@openoffice.org Sat Apr 18 16:10:17 + 2009 --- ... perhaps we should be considering integration with a good mind mapping tool. I fully agree. Various techniques have been developed and have evolved over the past years, warranting novel approaches to the writing model. - Please do not reply to this automatically generated notification from Issue Tracker. Please log onto the website and enter your comments. http://qa.openoffice.org/issue_handling/project_issues.html#notification - To unsubscribe, e-mail: issues-unsubscr...@sw.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: issues-h...@sw.openoffice.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: allbugs-unsubscr...@openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: allbugs-h...@openoffice.org
[sw-issues] [Issue 3959] Outline View (aka MS Word)
To comment on the following update, log in, then open the issue: http://www.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=3959 --- Additional comments from whycantijustusemyemailaddr...@openoffice.org Fri Apr 17 06:22:45 + 2009 --- I, like many other people, start a paper by writing the outline. It's very nice to be able to write the outline, and have the formatting applied while you write. The navigator does not achieve this. You cannot write an outline in the navigator. Using the navigator requires you to write everything, then go back and apply formatting. Which aside from being tedious, is backwards. Formatting and structure are highly related, and should be thought of BEFORE you write. Please add an outline view. - Please do not reply to this automatically generated notification from Issue Tracker. Please log onto the website and enter your comments. http://qa.openoffice.org/issue_handling/project_issues.html#notification - To unsubscribe, e-mail: issues-unsubscr...@sw.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: issues-h...@sw.openoffice.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: allbugs-unsubscr...@openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: allbugs-h...@openoffice.org
[sw-issues] [Issue 3959] Outline View (aka MS Word)
To comment on the following update, log in, then open the issue: http://www.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=3959 --- Additional comments from mwedwa...@openoffice.org Fri Apr 17 13:31:30 + 2009 --- In the spirit of open innovation, perhaps we should be considering integration with a good mind mapping tool. The practice of brainstorming has evolved somewhat, perhaps this is a good opportunity to push the envelope with regard to the integration of these brainstorming tools with the writing process. - Please do not reply to this automatically generated notification from Issue Tracker. Please log onto the website and enter your comments. http://qa.openoffice.org/issue_handling/project_issues.html#notification - To unsubscribe, e-mail: issues-unsubscr...@sw.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: issues-h...@sw.openoffice.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: allbugs-unsubscr...@openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: allbugs-h...@openoffice.org
[sw-issues] [Issue 3959] Outline View (aka MS Word)
To comment on the following update, log in, then open the issue: http://www.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=3959 --- Additional comments from sop...@openoffice.org Wed Apr 15 21:39:54 + 2009 --- Currently the only workaround for this missing outline view for my Unix-like box is the Wine compatibility layer and Microsoft Word 97. However Word 97 can't read Word 2007 files and I can't install the Microsoft converter with Wine. For that, I'm still using Openoffice in order to convert the newer file formats to the 97 format :P - Please do not reply to this automatically generated notification from Issue Tracker. Please log onto the website and enter your comments. http://qa.openoffice.org/issue_handling/project_issues.html#notification - To unsubscribe, e-mail: issues-unsubscr...@sw.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: issues-h...@sw.openoffice.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: allbugs-unsubscr...@openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: allbugs-h...@openoffice.org
[sw-issues] [Issue 3959] Outline View (aka MS Word)
To comment on the following update, log in, then open the issue: http://www.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=3959 --- Additional comments from dmel...@openoffice.org Mon Apr 13 19:37:40 + 2009 --- OpenOffice will apparently never implement this. People who need it have moved on or never stopped here. Microsoft Office (Word) is obviously the benchmark. On Mac, Apple's Pages also does a good job with outline view. On the Mac I'm also using The Omni Group's Omnioutliner which ships with new Macs. No need for Open Office anymore. Nice try but delivered way too little way too late. - Please do not reply to this automatically generated notification from Issue Tracker. Please log onto the website and enter your comments. http://qa.openoffice.org/issue_handling/project_issues.html#notification - To unsubscribe, e-mail: issues-unsubscr...@sw.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: issues-h...@sw.openoffice.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: allbugs-unsubscr...@openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: allbugs-h...@openoffice.org
[sw-issues] [Issue 3959] Outline View (aka MS Word)
To comment on the following update, log in, then open the issue: http://www.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=3959 --- Additional comments from d...@openoffice.org Mon Apr 13 19:16:32 + 2009 --- Yes, Happy 7th Birthday! Should we have a little celebration? Maybe recounting the workarounds we use for outlining, that we'd rather do in OOo? On a more serious note, I see that the last comments from the developers came about a year ago; at that time, the new layout engine was the high priority, and if I understand correctly, having that in place would/will/does make the outline view much easier, if not trivial. An update on the engine and the overall situation would be a nice birthday present. And again, if a release of this feature isn't imminent, it'd be good to have more of a dialogue with the developers. Some of us have the capability to pitch in and help in various ways, and if a number of small contributions could break the logjam, might be able to donate some time here and there. - Please do not reply to this automatically generated notification from Issue Tracker. Please log onto the website and enter your comments. http://qa.openoffice.org/issue_handling/project_issues.html#notification - To unsubscribe, e-mail: issues-unsubscr...@sw.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: issues-h...@sw.openoffice.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: allbugs-unsubscr...@openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: allbugs-h...@openoffice.org
[sw-issues] [Issue 3959] Outline View (aka MS Word)
To comment on the following update, log in, then open the issue: http://www.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=3959 --- Additional comments from liot...@openoffice.org Fri Apr 10 09:06:32 + 2009 --- Happy birthday Issue 3959 ! - Please do not reply to this automatically generated notification from Issue Tracker. Please log onto the website and enter your comments. http://qa.openoffice.org/issue_handling/project_issues.html#notification - To unsubscribe, e-mail: issues-unsubscr...@sw.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: issues-h...@sw.openoffice.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: allbugs-unsubscr...@openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: allbugs-h...@openoffice.org
[sw-issues] [Issue 3959] Outline View (aka MS Word)
To comment on the following update, log in, then open the issue: http://www.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=3959 --- Additional comments from andykan...@openoffice.org Thu Mar 26 15:16:20 + 2009 --- Pul-eAse add this. My usage is for Agile Use Cases - the ability to expand/collapse subsets of the document is a huge help for organizing and maintaining consistency. Building a TOC from some number of levels is also helpful as the doc gets large. - Please do not reply to this automatically generated notification from Issue Tracker. Please log onto the website and enter your comments. http://qa.openoffice.org/issue_handling/project_issues.html#notification - To unsubscribe, e-mail: issues-unsubscr...@sw.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: issues-h...@sw.openoffice.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: allbugs-unsubscr...@openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: allbugs-h...@openoffice.org
[sw-issues] [Issue 3959] Outline View (aka MS Word)
To comment on the following update, log in, then open the issue: http://www.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=3959 User richlv changed the following: What|Old value |New value CC|'basex,bill_leach,catch,da|'basex,bill_leach,catch,da |lo,discoleo,dmelgar,erikan|lo,discoleo,dmelgar,erikan |derson3,ezh,graaf,hatless,|derson3,ezh,graaf,hatless, |kamataki,karabot,lijian,ma|kamataki,karabot,lijian,ma |cias,mba,mikenerone,mwedwa|cias,mba,mikenerone,mwedwa |rds,nigelc,nmailhot,pagalm|rds,nigelc,nmailhot,pagalm |es,pescetti,rajbhaskar,rem|es,pescetti,rajbhaskar,rem |ote29,thing,tora' |ote29,richlv,thing,tora' - Please do not reply to this automatically generated notification from Issue Tracker. Please log onto the website and enter your comments. http://qa.openoffice.org/issue_handling/project_issues.html#notification - To unsubscribe, e-mail: issues-unsubscr...@sw.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: issues-h...@sw.openoffice.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: allbugs-unsubscr...@openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: allbugs-h...@openoffice.org
[sw-issues] [Issue 3959] Outline View (aka MS Word)
To comment on the following update, log in, then open the issue: http://www.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=3959 --- Additional comments from elsuperpapar...@openoffice.org Thu Jan 8 13:49:04 + 2009 --- I'm one of the many ones that cannot switch to Ooo until outline mode is available. As many others here I'm ready to switch otherwise. - Please do not reply to this automatically generated notification from Issue Tracker. Please log onto the website and enter your comments. http://qa.openoffice.org/issue_handling/project_issues.html#notification - To unsubscribe, e-mail: issues-unsubscr...@sw.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: issues-h...@sw.openoffice.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: allbugs-unsubscr...@openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: allbugs-h...@openoffice.org
[sw-issues] [Issue 3959] Outline View (aka MS Word)
To comment on the following update, log in, then open the issue: http://www.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=3959 --- Additional comments from fvir...@openoffice.org Thu Jan 8 14:33:43 + 2009 --- I too! I would add that we have been waiting for a very long time. I hope in 2009 this issue will be solved, gaining many enthusiastic new users like us. I'm one of the many ones that cannot switch to Ooo until outline mode is available. As many others here I'm ready to switch otherwise. - Please do not reply to this automatically generated notification from Issue Tracker. Please log onto the website and enter your comments. http://qa.openoffice.org/issue_handling/project_issues.html#notification - To unsubscribe, e-mail: issues-unsubscr...@sw.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: issues-h...@sw.openoffice.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: allbugs-unsubscr...@openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: allbugs-h...@openoffice.org
[sw-issues] [Issue 3959] Outline View (aka MS Word)
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[sw-issues] [Issue 3959] Outline View (aka MS Word)
To comment on the following update, log in, then open the issue: http://www.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=3959 --- Additional comments from david...@openoffice.org Sat Dec 27 10:31:10 + 2008 --- Just figured I would chime in here on the absolute necessity of an outline view for OOo. Its lack is killing me. - Please do not reply to this automatically generated notification from Issue Tracker. Please log onto the website and enter your comments. http://qa.openoffice.org/issue_handling/project_issues.html#notification - To unsubscribe, e-mail: issues-unsubscr...@sw.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: issues-h...@sw.openoffice.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: allbugs-unsubscr...@openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: allbugs-h...@openoffice.org
[sw-issues] [Issue 3959] Outline View (aka MS Word)
To comment on the following update, log in, then open the issue: http://www.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=3959 User basex changed the following: What|Old value |New value CC|'bill_leach,catch,dalo,dis|'basex,bill_leach,catch,da |coleo,dmelgar,erikanderson|lo,discoleo,dmelgar,erikan |3,ezh,graaf,hatless,kamata|derson3,ezh,graaf,hatless, |ki,karabot,lijian,macias,m|kamataki,karabot,lijian,ma |ba,mikenerone,nigelc,nmail|cias,mba,mikenerone,nigelc |hot,pagalmes,pescetti,rajb|,nmailhot,pagalmes,pescett |haskar,remote29,thing,tora|i,rajbhaskar,remote29,thin |' |g,tora' - Please do not reply to this automatically generated notification from Issue Tracker. Please log onto the website and enter your comments. http://qa.openoffice.org/issue_handling/project_issues.html#notification - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[sw-issues] [Issue 3959] Outline View (aka MS Word)
To comment on the following update, log in, then open the issue: http://www.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=3959 --- Additional comments from [EMAIL PROTECTED] Mon Nov 17 23:59:06 + 2008 --- I can't believe there's no Outline view feature in oO 3 :-( I write my documents in the outline view of MS Word 2008. After finishing all the text, I change to print layout view and select the Layout theme and maybe insert some page breaks. That's it. If I can't do that in writer, I will simply not spent time using open office, even thou I'd very much like to :-( - Please do not reply to this automatically generated notification from Issue Tracker. Please log onto the website and enter your comments. http://qa.openoffice.org/issue_handling/project_issues.html#notification - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[sw-issues] [Issue 3959] Outline View (aka MS Word)
To comment on the following update, log in, then open the issue: http://www.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=3959 --- Additional comments from [EMAIL PROTECTED] Wed Aug 20 06:19:41 + 2008 --- I just installed OO for the first time and the first (.doc) document I opened was an MS Word Outline View document. I have scores and maybe hundreds of documents that I have written and use in this format. Among other things, I do historical research and my outline view documents are my database format. (I am old enough to have once used index cards for this function.) For example, I have a document which lists every person we know of who is likely to have been personally known by Aristotle. Now, suppose I come across a new fact about one of these persons or a new person in this category. I open my Aristotle's People.doc file and hit alt+@ -- Show Heading 2, which is the level with all the names in alphabetical order. It's easy to scroll down to find the name or person I want among the currently 259 names there, expand the heading and add my fact in its logical place, either chronological or by subject heading. Under each name are cross references to other names on the list (e.g., parents, children, associates) and also to institutions, etc., which are in another outline, as is my chronological-order timeline file. If the list were to get too long for easy scrolling to my target, I already have a template with an alphabet of hyperlinks to put at the top of the page and an alphabet of bookmarks to insert at the beginning of each new set of initials. What's the point? The outline view is not merely a way of organizing information for the purposes of narrative writing, it is a way of storing information which is intended to remain in this form permanently. Without the capability of using this format interactively, jumping from place to place, expanding and contracting subheadings, etc., much of the value of my work is lost. That's why I just added my two votes to making issue 3959 a high priority. Until interactive outline use is possible in Open Office Writer, I cannot even consider using it, as much as I would like to. So take heart developers, and know that there are many of us lined up outside that door labeled Outline View, eagerly waiting for signs of progress and grateful for your efforts to make this feature a reality. - Please do not reply to this automatically generated notification from Issue Tracker. Please log onto the website and enter your comments. http://qa.openoffice.org/issue_handling/project_issues.html#notification - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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To comment on the following update, log in, then open the issue: http://www.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=3959 --- Additional comments from [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sun Jun 29 09:23:01 + 2008 --- *** Issue 91178 has been marked as a duplicate of this issue. *** - Please do not reply to this automatically generated notification from Issue Tracker. Please log onto the website and enter your comments. http://qa.openoffice.org/issue_handling/project_issues.html#notification - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[sw-issues] [Issue 3959] Outline View (aka MS Word)
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To comment on the following update, log in, then open the issue: http://www.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=3959 --- Additional comments from [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sun Jun 22 19:55:14 + 2008 --- As a point of reference or comparison (but not as an alternative to OO Writer), the Leo editor was recommended to me because of its ability to expand and compress outline and code nodes: http://webpages.charter.net/edreamleo/front.html FWIW, quoted from an anecdotal endorsement: Word outlines are very useful. But Leo makes Word look like a clunky toy. --Joe Orr - Please do not reply to this automatically generated notification from Issue Tracker. Please log onto the website and enter your comments. http://qa.openoffice.org/issue_handling/project_issues.html#notification - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[sw-issues] [Issue 3959] Outline View (aka MS Word)
To comment on the following update, log in, then open the issue: http://www.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=3959 User discoleo changed the following: What|Old value |New value CC|'bill_leach,catch,dalo,dme|'bill_leach,catch,dalo,dis |lgar,erikanderson3,ezh,gra|coleo,dmelgar,erikanderson |af,hatless,kamataki,karabo|3,ezh,graaf,hatless,kamata |t,lijian,mba,mikenerone,ni|ki,karabot,lijian,mba,mike |gelc,nmailhot,pagalmes,raj|nerone,nigelc,nmailhot,pag |bhaskar,remote29,thing,tor|almes,rajbhaskar,remote29, |a'|thing,tora' --- Additional comments from [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sun May 11 16:52:20 + 2008 --- Another - and in my opinion, superior view to the Outline view - is based on the Storylines tool in Writer's Cafe, see: http://linuxplanet.com/linuxplanet/reviews/6330/2 I have posted therefore issue 89311, see: http://www.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=89311 Breaking up the master-document into sub-sections will greatly improve writing and editing the various scenes / ideas / sections / chapters and will also ease the work with the master-document. - Please do not reply to this automatically generated notification from Issue Tracker. Please log onto the website and enter your comments. http://qa.openoffice.org/issue_handling/project_issues.html#notification - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[sw-issues] [Issue 3959] Outline View (aka MS Word)
To comment on the following update, log in, then open the issue: http://www.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=3959 --- Additional comments from [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fri Apr 4 23:18:47 + 2008 --- mba: I think a lot of people that write comments here are making a fundamental mistake. The mere fact that we never implemented that feature does not mean that we don't think it is important. That is uexactly/u the message that we got for more than four years. The uonly/u responses (see above) that ever came from the development team was that there was no need for this feature. End of response. Otherwise silence. It has never been on the roadmap that anyone can tell (although the site reorganizations have made it practically impossible to find things like roadmaps, so who knows?) I can say that at least for the time where I have to honor to be the Project Lead (starting in November 2006). In this time we have implemented the centered view and the multiple page view and we started with the multiple layout refactoring. This is a quite huge investment in that area if you consider that we also had to do many other things (ODF1.2, Word XML import filter, many bug fixing etc. etc.). And again, what we heard from you wasn't this is a high priority, it was this is going to be difficult. Now, you may have umeant/u that as we are taking this seriously, but it will take some time. However, please understand that in the context of six-plus years of history it came across as so we aren't going to waste effort on something that's so unimportant. This month is really the first time (on the eve of the issue's sixth anniversary) that we've gotten any signals from the dev team that this is anything other than a dead-on-arrival issue. Whatever discussions the dev team holds among themselves have not been visible to the rest of us (and outline view still isn't on the published to-dos at http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/To-Dos.) So, thank you -- but try to understand the frustration rather than just slamming us for complaining instead of coding. - Please do not reply to this automatically generated notification from Issue Tracker. Please log onto the website and enter your comments. http://qa.openoffice.org/issue_handling/project_issues.html#notification - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[sw-issues] [Issue 3959] Outline View (aka MS Word)
To comment on the following update, log in, then open the issue: http://www.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=3959 --- Additional comments from [EMAIL PROTECTED] Mon Mar 31 14:18:40 + 2008 --- Predictions are hard to achieve, especially it they are about the future. ;-) Since several months we are working on the multiple layout refactoring. The work in Writer was done, but unfortunately now we are stuck in the Drawing Layer. We have even refactored this part except for two kinds of objects: grouped objects and form controls. While we are confident to fix the problems for the grouped objects in the next few weeks, we ran into serious problems with the form controls. We are depending on the work of others here that do their very best but can't give an estimation when they will finish the work. Nevertheless, I hope that we will fix that in the 3.0 release. On top of that we have to implement the new views. My personal *very* rough estimation is that each of the views will take more than six weeks but less than six months development time. Additionally we will have QA and specification work to be done. And e.g. 2-3 months of development time can be much more in real time, depending on what the available developers might have to do besides that (bug fixing, urgent things etc.). So I can't give an end date without knowing what else we have to implement in parallel. We are currently reviewing our priorities, see http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Quarterly_Review So I think we should wait at least(!) for the first review cycle to give a better and more detailed answer. I think a lot of people that write comments here are making a fundamental mistake. The mere fact that we never implemented that feature does not mean that we don't think it is important. I can say that at least for the time where I have to honor to be the Project Lead (starting in November 2006). In this time we have implemented the centered view and the multiple page view and we started with the multiple layout refactoring. This is a quite huge investment in that area if you consider that we also had to do many other things (ODF1.2, Word XML import filter, many bug fixing etc. etc.). In fact we (the Writer development team) all agree that the Outliner feature is important for a small but not too small number of OOo Writer users. And for these people it probably is not even important but perhaps crucial. The problem is that we have so many features that are at least equally important for various reasons and that a lot of different factors must be taken into account when we select the work for the next release(s). I tried to explain that a bit in our blog: http://blogs.sun.com/GullFOSS/entry/why_all_issues_are_equal Perhaps that helps to understand better that not implementing an Outline View not necessarily must be a clear sign of ignorance. - Please do not reply to this automatically generated notification from Issue Tracker. Please log onto the website and enter your comments. http://qa.openoffice.org/issue_handling/project_issues.html#notification - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[sw-issues] [Issue 3959] Outline View (aka MS Word)
To comment on the following update, log in, then open the issue: http://www.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=3959 --- Additional comments from [EMAIL PROTECTED] Mon Mar 31 23:08:24 + 2008 --- Thanks for the detailed description of the current state of project with regards to this issue. I am among the 'few' who categorise outline view as crucial. It has been present in every word processor I have used (several that pre-date MS Word). I look forward to the eventual inclusion into OpenOffice. My sincerest gratitude for all your efforts on the project. I hope to have time in the future to contribute as you have. For now, thanks, and don't take the complainers too seriously. We all just really miss the feature. - Please do not reply to this automatically generated notification from Issue Tracker. Please log onto the website and enter your comments. http://qa.openoffice.org/issue_handling/project_issues.html#notification - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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To comment on the following update, log in, then open the issue: http://www.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=3959 --- Additional comments from [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sun Mar 30 21:53:07 + 2008 --- Mathias, thanks for the update. To get a ballpark idea, which of the following would you feel comfortable agreeing to? We should have a release with the multiple layout capability, including the outline layout, within: A) six weeks B) six months C) one year D) two years E) five years We understand that you can't promise anything; all I'm looking for here is a rough guess, so we can calibrate our expectations and maybe decide on alternative actions. - Please do not reply to this automatically generated notification from Issue Tracker. Please log onto the website and enter your comments. http://qa.openoffice.org/issue_handling/project_issues.html#notification - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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To comment on the following update, log in, then open the issue: http://www.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=3959 --- Additional comments from [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sat Mar 29 12:09:18 + 2008 --- We have made good progress in implementing the multiple layout functionality. Currently we are a little bit stuck in problems with form controls and grouped objects but we are confident to fix that. - Please do not reply to this automatically generated notification from Issue Tracker. Please log onto the website and enter your comments. http://qa.openoffice.org/issue_handling/project_issues.html#notification - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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To comment on the following update, log in, then open the issue: http://www.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=3959 --- Additional comments from [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fri Mar 28 07:32:36 + 2008 --- You can all save your breath. Seems that complaining is easier than reading. If you had done the latter you could have read that something has to be done before such a new view can be implemented. And we still are working on that (see the weekly schedule at GullFOSS). - Please do not reply to this automatically generated notification from Issue Tracker. Please log onto the website and enter your comments. http://qa.openoffice.org/issue_handling/project_issues.html#notification - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[sw-issues] [Issue 3959] Outline View (aka MS Word)
To comment on the following update, log in, then open the issue: http://www.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=3959 --- Additional comments from [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fri Mar 28 10:00:03 + 2008 --- To save Mathias Bauer (mba) some energy I'll pitch in with a summary of my understanding of the situation, so that everyone understands where we are and why we must ave some more patience. Many people seem to be quite impatient to have the workable outline view that will make Openoffice the outliner of choice of word processing power users. But as Mathias hints, there is no need for more begging : the need is well acknowledged. Mathias has apparently taken a good look at the feasibility of this feature and concluded that it involves modifications that reach quite deep into the Openoffice document handling model. As explained in http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Writer_Views (Mathias posted that link here last year) the whole layout engine needs to be modified so that a proper implementation of advanced views can be made possible : There is a particular problem in Writer that needs to be solved before it makes sense to implement more views. A Writer documents always has one layout. If the user switches from Print Layout to Online Layout the old layout is thrown away and the new layout for the complete document is calculated. On switching back the same happens again. This can become quite annoying when new layouts are used that let switching between layouts happen more often. Perhaps it might also be attractive to have two different layouts visible at a time in two different windows, e.g. Outline Layout and Print Layout. This prior requirement has been hinted by Mathias as far back as 2006 (http://readlist.com/lists/openoffice.org/users/4/20550.html). Maybe a quick fix for outline view is hypothetically possible, but the developers apparently wish to build a solid foundation for the implementation of views so that the whole problem class can be cleanly solved with greater future development potential. So for now, unless you can contribute to the layout engine overhaul that is required prior to implementing the much dreamed of outline mode, patience is probably you best option - that and MS Word for a little while more... - Please do not reply to this automatically generated notification from Issue Tracker. Please log onto the website and enter your comments. http://qa.openoffice.org/issue_handling/project_issues.html#notification - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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To comment on the following update, log in, then open the issue: http://www.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=3959 --- Additional comments from [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fri Mar 28 16:40:46 + 2008 --- liotier, Thanks for the summary, and to the OOo developers, thanks for a high-quality product. Perhaps it would help if you could provide a timeline or ETA for the multi-layout feature. If it's going to happen within a few months, perhaps those who've expressed their frustration will hang on a while longer. On the other hand, if it's a couple of years away, it might be worth looking for a less-than-ideal solution, possibly involving an extension -- you've already seen that some folks are willing to put up money to get something done. Perhaps, if a bounty could be put up, it'd attract a developer to cobble up something that would work well enough to be usable until the holy grail arrives. Certainly OOo has enough hooks to make such a thing feasible. - Please do not reply to this automatically generated notification from Issue Tracker. Please log onto the website and enter your comments. http://qa.openoffice.org/issue_handling/project_issues.html#notification - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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To comment on the following update, log in, then open the issue: http://www.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=3959 User ezh changed the following: What|Old value |New value CC|'bill_leach,catch,dalo,dme|'bill_leach,catch,dalo,dme |lgar,erikanderson3,graaf,h|lgar,erikanderson3,ezh,gra |atless,kamataki,karabot,li|af,hatless,kamataki,karabo |jian,mba,mikenerone,nigelc|t,lijian,mba,mikenerone,ni |,nmailhot,pagalmes,rajbhas|gelc,nmailhot,pagalmes,raj |kar,remote29,thing,tora' |bhaskar,remote29,thing,tor | |a' - Please do not reply to this automatically generated notification from Issue Tracker. Please log onto the website and enter your comments. http://qa.openoffice.org/issue_handling/project_issues.html#notification - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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To comment on the following update, log in, then open the issue: http://www.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=3959 --- Additional comments from [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fri Mar 28 02:10:04 + 2008 --- It's been almost 6 years since someone requested this feature. None of the work-arounds really work, and the navigator is not good enough. This is one instance where the way it works in Microsoft Office is really excellent: in one window, you can expand and collapse the text as needed to work on the sections, drag and drop sections to rearrange content, and promote or demote sections. Perhaps for programmers it's not evident, but for anyone who writes long documents, it's indispensable. It's indispensable enough that I am still using Microsoft Word for anything that has any sort of header/subheader structure. Is there any way - including bribery - to get this issue taken care of? If you fear documentaing it, I'll document anything you write, as long as it works EXACTLY like Microsoft Word's outline view. - Please do not reply to this automatically generated notification from Issue Tracker. Please log onto the website and enter your comments. http://qa.openoffice.org/issue_handling/project_issues.html#notification - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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To comment on the following update, log in, then open the issue: http://www.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=3959 --- Additional comments from [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fri Mar 28 02:18:58 + 2008 --- Many of the documents the engineers write at my company (Spirent Communications) require outline mode. The lack of this feature is the ONLY technical reason why it cannot be used in my company. I keep trying, but if the document is of any length (more than a few pages) I usually have to fall back to MS Word, even though my desktop machine is an Ubuntu machine. Please fix this. I to would do whatever I can to help this get done, including forking over cash. - Please do not reply to this automatically generated notification from Issue Tracker. Please log onto the website and enter your comments. http://qa.openoffice.org/issue_handling/project_issues.html#notification - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[sw-issues] [Issue 3959] Outline View (aka MS Word)
To comment on the following update, log in, then open the issue: http://www.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=3959 --- Additional comments from [EMAIL PROTECTED] Mon Feb 25 14:39:50 + 2008 --- Several posters, sba, wernerny, jrlogic, stevepowell99, and most recently nord73 have tried to emphasize the importance of a real outline format for OO. This really is not just a nice feature. I CANNOT use OO at work for well over 90% of my work because OO is useless at trying to read the Word documents and will not create .doc files in a fashion that MS Word can understand. Now part of this is no doubt a template problem but the experimentation that I have done using MS Word's supplied normal.dot suggests otherwise. I suspect that at just this one site there are at least 3,000 people with occasional MS Word use and close to a thousand that use it almost all day every day. It is a huge disappointment that OO can not handle Word's outline numbering beyond the first level nor provide a true outline display mode. Technical procedures, administrative procedures, technical reports, technical manual, and a host of other documents are all created and edited in outline format with multiple levels of numbering. At this one laboratory there are thousands of EACH of these types of documents---none of which can be edited using OpenOffice! Every electric power plant in the USA all use these same document types. Probably most every major business having detailed technical requirements uses documents of this type and again they are unable to use OO for these documents. - Please do not reply to this automatically generated notification from Issue Tracker. Please log onto the website and enter your comments. http://qa.openoffice.org/issue_handling/project_issues.html#notification - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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To comment on the following update, log in, then open the issue: http://www.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=3959 --- Additional comments from [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fri Feb 22 01:57:15 + 2008 --- Many of those suggesting a export/import plugin/add-on/script can't really be using the Outline View in Word much. Those who do switch between them quite often, and I have serious doubts whether an export/import feature will be much more than a seldom used feature. Any efforts/resources spent towards an Outline View feature should be competitive with Word. It might not be on par with, or even work in the same way. But it really should be designed well enough to be used, to actually allow Windows/Word-users to use OpenOffice as their main tool for reports and other, larger texts which need an Outline feature. - Please do not reply to this automatically generated notification from Issue Tracker. Please log onto the website and enter your comments. http://qa.openoffice.org/issue_handling/project_issues.html#notification - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[sw-issues] [Issue 3959] Outline View (aka MS Word)
To comment on the following update, log in, then open the issue: http://www.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=3959 --- Additional comments from [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thu Feb 14 09:35:11 + 2008 --- freemind interoperability is a fine idea. But sorry, what we are talking about is not a nice feature to be able to import/export from/to another format. We are talking about basic functionality which anyone working on longer or highly structured documents needs every other minute of the day. If oo.org doesn't want to get it just because Microsoft does this particular feature much better, that is a shame. Please, don't relegate the original issue to some import/export extension. Outline functionality needs to be right there in the middle of Writer. It doesn't have to be a clone of Word; it could be different and better. - Please do not reply to this automatically generated notification from Issue Tracker. Please log onto the website and enter your comments. http://qa.openoffice.org/issue_handling/project_issues.html#notification - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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To comment on the following update, log in, then open the issue: http://www.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=3959 --- Additional comments from [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thu Feb 14 16:33:53 + 2008 --- I agree with stevepowell99. If you guys with the intelligence and ability to create OO cannot create an outline feature then don't clutter up the writer's creation process with another layer of import/export functionality. The outline view that Microsft offers is too important a feature to screw up in oo. Rather, it is better to use Word for creation purposes and then later, if need be, you can import it into OO do not any last bits (but by then, why bother?). This request has been on the books for years and is still not seen a hold-up in making OO a primary tool for all serious documentation. - Please do not reply to this automatically generated notification from Issue Tracker. Please log onto the website and enter your comments. http://qa.openoffice.org/issue_handling/project_issues.html#notification - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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To comment on the following update, log in, then open the issue: http://www.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=3959 --- Additional comments from [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thu Feb 14 19:34:26 + 2008 --- @dwig Good suggestion. I have no scripting ability myself, but would be willing to put some money towards such an extension. The FreeMind devs are very busy. I just tested the new beta and export to Writer is very good, it even has limited support for styles. But there is no import, so one doesn't get that really fluid mobility that makes such a difference. @stevepowell99 mgl_linux I'm sympathetic to what you guys are saying. But as it is the case that OOo doesn't have this functionality--I would guess that you are already using a different product. The OOo devs are committed to providing this functionality, but to give an uneducated guess--I'd say we're looking at 5 years. I was just trying to suggest an alternative. - Please do not reply to this automatically generated notification from Issue Tracker. Please log onto the website and enter your comments. http://qa.openoffice.org/issue_handling/project_issues.html#notification - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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To comment on the following update, log in, then open the issue: http://www.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=3959 --- Additional comments from [EMAIL PROTECTED] Wed Feb 13 12:20:43 + 2008 --- Thanks for the feedback, gents. I hope I don't come across as a FreeMind zealot, I just believe that better integration between the two programs would cater to a lot of people's needs - and quickly. @aexl: I might open a new issue, I will see what feedback I get here first. @John (jpfisher): I thought someone might bring up the issue: 'if the FM team (or devs of any other program) are working on ODF export, what is the point of OOo team adding the import functionality?' My thoughts are that FM offers all of the functionality requested in this thread - and more. It can export to OOo to a limited degree. But OOo does not offer this functionality, FM does. So by providing FM import/export the OOo team symbolically and practically offer this functionality. (Plus the OOo team are the kings of file format compatibility). A large proportion of FM users use OOo (I would guess), but probably only a small percentage of OOo users use FM. Lots of people might like a solution that is sanctioned by the OOo team. And anyway, the way things are currently, people are either going without, or using a rival product, or mixing a couple of solutions (as I do). One last point--and I promise this will be my last long post--imagine if Microsoft bought Mind Manager and included it in MS Office. This would be a great move on MS's part, and other suites would be scrambling to catch up. OOo could lead the way... Ryan - Please do not reply to this automatically generated notification from Issue Tracker. Please log onto the website and enter your comments. http://qa.openoffice.org/issue_handling/project_issues.html#notification - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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To comment on the following update, log in, then open the issue: http://www.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=3959 --- Additional comments from [EMAIL PROTECTED] Wed Feb 13 17:53:02 + 2008 --- Ryan, While interoperability between OOo and FreeMind is no doubt a good thing, maybe the best approach initially is to leverage the extension capability of OOo (see http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Extensions) to do it. That way, the core product isn't burdened with yet another feature (and the developers with one more thing to have to maintain), but a usable connection between the products can arise. If you have time and some scripting ability, I'd say go for it! If not, maybe you can use your enthusiasm to persuade someone with the ability to take it on (maybe one of the FreeMind developers?) - Please do not reply to this automatically generated notification from Issue Tracker. Please log onto the website and enter your comments. http://qa.openoffice.org/issue_handling/project_issues.html#notification - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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To comment on the following update, log in, then open the issue: http://www.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=3959 --- Additional comments from [EMAIL PROTECTED] Tue Feb 12 17:39:03 + 2008 --- RE Freemind, I really worry about feature bloat in an app which is already huge. There is an open document standard and OOo is dedicated to it, and Freemind (and other apps) are very likely to adopt the open standard as an export choice. I'd prefer to keep the Freemind interface in Freemind, and import/export to odf (or whatever its going to be) In other words let Freemind be Freemind, Dreamweaver be Dreamweaver, and Writer be Writer. I will say that my needs turn Ryan's inside out: I am not so interested in a mind-mapper to help me think, as a multi-layered hypertext presentation system thats helps my readers think. John - Please do not reply to this automatically generated notification from Issue Tracker. Please log onto the website and enter your comments. http://qa.openoffice.org/issue_handling/project_issues.html#notification - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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To comment on the following update, log in, then open the issue: http://www.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=3959 --- Additional comments from [EMAIL PROTECTED] Tue Feb 12 11:40:05 + 2008 --- @ryan_: i really like the freemind idea. but i feel it deserves its own issue. (let me know its number so i can vote for it ;-) - Please do not reply to this automatically generated notification from Issue Tracker. Please log onto the website and enter your comments. http://qa.openoffice.org/issue_handling/project_issues.html#notification - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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To comment on the following update, log in, then open the issue: http://www.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=3959 --- Additional comments from [EMAIL PROTECTED] Tue Feb 12 11:21:22 + 2008 --- Thanks to all the people who took the time to respond to my comment. I apologize for the length of this comment but hopefully it is well argued. I think what I had in mind was somewhat simpler than some of the follow-up comments. I think Writer should be able to import and export FreeMind maps. I feel this functionality would provide great benefits for Writer users, and would be a great selling point for Writer too. Let me explain. Professor Allin Cottrell from the Department of Economics at Wake Forest University wrote this great online piece from which I quote (hopefully this is fair use): 8 Preparing printable text using a word processor effectively forces you to conflate two tasks that are conceptually distinct and that, to ensure that people's time is used most effectively and that the final communication is most effective, ought also to be kept practically distinct. The two tasks are 1. The composition of the text itself. By this I mean the actual choice of words to express one's ideas, and the logical structuring of the text. The latter may take various forms depending on the nature of the document. It includes matters such as the division of the text into paragraphs, sections or chapters, the choice of whether certain material will appear as footnotes or in the main text, the adding of special emphasis to certain portions of the text, the representation of some pieces of text as block quotations rather than as the author's own words, and so on. 2. The typesetting of the document. This refers to matters such as the choice of the font family in which the text is to be printed, and the way in which structural elements will be visually represented. Should section headings be in bold face or small capitals? Should they be flush left or centered? Should the text be justified or not? Should the notes appear at the foot of the page or at the end? Should the text be set in one column or two? And so on. The author of a text should, at least in the first instance, concentrate entirely on the first of these sets of tasks. That is the author's business. 8 Available: http://ricardo.ecn.wfu.edu/~cottrell/wp.html Now I don't take quite the hard line that Prof Cottrel does regarding word processors. Writer is extremely powerful for (2) and it can do much more than mentioned in the quoted paragraph. However FreeMind is the most powerful tool I have been able to find for (1) - more powerful than a standard outliner because: (i) Every paragraph/element is a node. (ii) Maps can be filtered using attributes, e.g., you can display only quotations, or only paragraphs that need cleaning up, etc. (iii) Users can add icons and physical styles so as to be able to immediately distinguish structural elements e.g. quotations, sections and subsections. (iv) You have granular control over the display of your data. No other program lets me view all of section 1.2, section 3.2.4, headings only for sections 5 6, and my notes/spare prose on another node - *all in the same window.*. (v) All these elements can be dragged and dropped to anywhere else. To move a paragraph up in FreeMind, I press control+up. To conclude, FreeMind import/export—for which a lot of the work has already been done by the FM developers—would promote the use of FM for mode (1), and Writer for working in mode (2) as well as heaps of other stuff, including indexing and the eventual archiving and exchange of the document. FM import/export would provide this power to Writer users quickly, and without the need for extensive work on Writer. - Please do not reply to this automatically generated notification from Issue Tracker. Please log onto the website and enter your comments. http://qa.openoffice.org/issue_handling/project_issues.html#notification - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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To comment on the following update, log in, then open the issue: http://www.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=3959 --- Additional comments from [EMAIL PROTECTED] Wed Feb 6 03:35:52 + 2008 --- I fully agree with the recent comments. As much as I detest MS Word, without a comparable outline mode, OO Writer is of no use to me. - Please do not reply to this automatically generated notification from Issue Tracker. Please log onto the website and enter your comments. http://qa.openoffice.org/issue_handling/project_issues.html#notification - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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To comment on the following update, log in, then open the issue: http://www.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=3959 --- Additional comments from [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sun Dec 9 06:12:00 + 2007 --- I echo the other excellent comments, especially those of ryan_ Wed Nov 21 07:21:08 + 2007 Outlining is the single feature that prevents me from using recommending the entire OpenOffice suite. I would put all 5 of my votes here if that were possible. I would also contribute money toward this feature, if there were a way to do feature-based funding for OpenOffice. (I realize that could be problematic, and has probably already been discussed elsewhere.) I also plan to use this with mind maps, but no need to build that into OO, since the format can be imported/exported into other tools. The most promising I've seen lately is one that lets many people edit on the web simultaneously(!), Mindomo. [I have no relationship to Mindomo, just like what they're doing.] - Please do not reply to this automatically generated notification from Issue Tracker. Please log onto the website and enter your comments. http://qa.openoffice.org/issue_handling/project_issues.html#notification - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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To comment on the following update, log in, then open the issue: http://www.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=3959 --- Additional comments from [EMAIL PROTECTED] Wed Nov 21 17:47:12 + 2007 --- Ryan I think this is a very interesting idea. I have only glanced at FreeMind, I know nothing about it under the covers, so I can't comment on the intersection of OO and FM. But treating this outline structure mod as a plug-in that operates on the xml of OO might be the trick to getting past the disruptive nature of a straight addition to the OO code tree. OO coders, is it possible to make a plugin that can manipulate blocks of text in an outline view? Maybe if you give up on the requirement to be able to cut and paste, and just implemented a hierarchical view of the text? code folding in the code-editing app KDevelop is an example, the other editors must have the same feature too. OH BTW it has to work with master-sub documents too. - Please do not reply to this automatically generated notification from Issue Tracker. Please log onto the website and enter your comments. http://qa.openoffice.org/issue_handling/project_issues.html#notification - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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To comment on the following update, log in, then open the issue: http://www.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=3959 User bill_leach changed the following: What|Old value |New value CC|'catch,dalo,dmelgar,erikan|'bill_leach,catch,dalo,dme |derson3,graaf,hatless,kama|lgar,erikanderson3,graaf,h |taki,karabot,lijian,mba,mi|atless,kamataki,karabot,li |kenerone,nigelc,nmailhot,p|jian,mba,mikenerone,nigelc |agalmes,remote29,thing,tor|,nmailhot,pagalmes,remote2 |a'|9,thing,tora' - Please do not reply to this automatically generated notification from Issue Tracker. Please log onto the website and enter your comments. http://qa.openoffice.org/issue_handling/project_issues.html#notification - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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To comment on the following update, log in, then open the issue: http://www.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=3959 --- Additional comments from [EMAIL PROTECTED] Wed Nov 21 20:45:18 + 2007 --- Leaving out the CutPaste functionality doesn't make a difference. The complexity of this issue is: - we need to ability to have multiple layouts per document (this will be ready for OOo3.0) - we have to implement a complete new layout algorithm as the outline view is totally different to every other layout we currently have As this is not possible for 3.0 we don't invest time here and save it for the many other useful and requested enhancements like the multiple page view that is already under heavy development. And some other nice things like new notes, cross references to headings, improved outline numbering, ODF 1.2 and many more. - Please do not reply to this automatically generated notification from Issue Tracker. Please log onto the website and enter your comments. http://qa.openoffice.org/issue_handling/project_issues.html#notification - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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To comment on the following update, log in, then open the issue: http://www.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=3959 --- Additional comments from [EMAIL PROTECTED] Wed Nov 21 07:21:08 + 2007 --- I think I have a good solution, but I am not a coder myself. Since it has been made clear that substantial changes need to be made to Writer before this feature can be implemented, how about this?a href='http://freemind.sourceforge.net/wiki/index.php/Main_Page'FreeMind/a is an open source mind mapping software written in Java. It has improving but limited abilities to export to OOo Writer. Recent developments allow one to add meta-data (attributes) to nodes. If an OOo developer could enable importing and exporting of FreeMind maps, I think most people would be happy. The reason I think this could work so well is the meta-data could be inputted (in FreeMind) to correspond to OOo Writer styles. This would mean a map could be imported and exported, whilst maintaining the structure - making the most of both programs' structuring features. This functionality would not push users away from OOo Writer, to mind mapping software. It would encourage many 'wannabe' Writer users back to the fold, because they could integrate their favourite process. Currently I use Writer, briefly, after writing the document in FreeMind, to print and archive documents. But I can't (easily) make use of styles because all the work has already been done. After exporting I am left with a 'flat document', the text is there but all the structural elements (physical styles, meta-data, sections, subsections, etc) are removed. This means I am reluctant to export to Writer at all, but it is a necessary step. I would ilike/i to integrate Writer into my routine more productively. - Please do not reply to this automatically generated notification from Issue Tracker. Please log onto the website and enter your comments. http://qa.openoffice.org/issue_handling/project_issues.html#notification - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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To comment on the following update, log in, then open the issue: http://www.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=3959 --- Additional comments from [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fri Sep 21 09:06:03 + 2007 --- Looking at the wiki (http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Writer_Views), it seems there is no reference to this issue #3959 Can't see any progress yet on an Outliner in OO-Writer on this Wiki Site. I have now gone back to M$ Word with a sore heart, because there is no really workable replacement in Linux yet; pity ... but I have to work on some research papers where an outliner is absolutely required for the amount of material. . - Please do not reply to this automatically generated notification from Issue Tracker. Please log onto the website and enter your comments. http://qa.openoffice.org/issue_handling/project_issues.html#notification - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[sw-issues] [Issue 3959] Outline View (aka MS Word)
To comment on the following update, log in, then open the issue: http://www.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=3959 User mikenerone changed the following: What|Old value |New value CC|'catch,dalo,dmelgar,erikan|'catch,dalo,dmelgar,erikan |derson3,graaf,hatless,kama|derson3,graaf,hatless,kama |taki,karabot,lijian,mba,ni|taki,karabot,lijian,mba,mi |gelc,nmailhot,pagalmes,rem|kenerone,nigelc,nmailhot,p |ote29,thing,tora' |agalmes,remote29,thing,tor | |a' - Please do not reply to this automatically generated notification from Issue Tracker. Please log onto the website and enter your comments. http://qa.openoffice.org/issue_handling/project_issues.html#notification - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[sw-issues] [Issue 3959] Outline View (aka MS Word)
To comment on the following update, log in, then open the issue: http://www.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=3959 User nigelc changed the following: What|Old value |New value CC|'catch,dalo,dmelgar,erikan|'catch,dalo,dmelgar,erikan |derson3,graaf,hatless,kama|derson3,graaf,hatless,kama |taki,karabot,lijian,mba,nm|taki,karabot,lijian,mba,ni |ailhot,pagalmes,remote29,t|gelc,nmailhot,pagalmes,rem |hing,tora'|ote29,thing,tora' - Please do not reply to this automatically generated notification from Issue Tracker. Please log onto the website and enter your comments. http://qa.openoffice.org/issue_handling/project_issues.html#notification - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[sw-issues] [Issue 3959] Outline View (aka MS Word)
To comment on the following update, log in, then open the issue: http://www.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=3959 --- Additional comments from [EMAIL PROTECTED] Wed May 16 08:53:55 + 2007 --- please read my comment from 02-02-2007. That's the current state. - Please do not reply to this automatically generated notification from Issue Tracker. Please log onto the website and enter your comments. http://qa.openoffice.org/issue_handling/project_issues.html#notification - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[sw-issues] [Issue 3959] Outline View (aka MS Word)
To comment on the following update, log in, then open the issue: http://www.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=3959 --- Additional comments from [EMAIL PROTECTED] Tue May 15 18:34:39 + 2007 --- Opened: Wed Apr 10 19:39:00 + 2002 Happy 5th anniversary issue 3959! - Please do not reply to this automatically generated notification from Issue Tracker. Please log onto the website and enter your comments. http://qa.openoffice.org/issue_handling/project_issues.html#notification - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[sw-issues] [Issue 3959] Outline View (aka MS Word)
To comment on the following update, log in, then open the issue: http://www.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=3959 --- Additional comments from [EMAIL PROTECTED] Wed May 16 02:53:24 + 2007 --- could any developers/designers please let us know what is the current plan to address this issue ? Any updates would be highly appreciated. -G - Please do not reply to this automatically generated notification from Issue Tracker. Please log onto the website and enter your comments. http://qa.openoffice.org/issue_handling/project_issues.html#notification - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[sw-issues] [Issue 3959] Outline View (aka MS Word)
To comment on the following update, log in, then open the issue: http://www.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=3959 User karabot changed the following: What|Old value |New value CC|'catch,dalo,dmelgar,erikan|'catch,dalo,dmelgar,erikan |derson3,graaf,hatless,kama|derson3,graaf,hatless,kama |taki,lijian,mba,nmailhot,p|taki,karabot,lijian,mba,nm |agalmes,remote29,thing,tor|ailhot,pagalmes,remote29,t |a'|hing,tora' - Please do not reply to this automatically generated notification from Issue Tracker. Please log onto the website and enter your comments. http://qa.openoffice.org/issue_handling/project_issues.html#notification - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[sw-issues] [Issue 3959] Outline View (aka MS Word)
To comment on the following update, log in, then open the issue: http://www.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=3959 --- Additional comments from [EMAIL PROTECTED] Tue May 8 16:30:36 + 2007 --- This may sound like a crazy idea, BUT I will put it out anyway. Kdissert (http://freehackers.org/~tnagy/kdissert.html) is a tool that can convert a tree hierarchy to a document outline but not the other way round. It is extremely useful to visualize the outline of documents. Currently, the branches of the tree cannot be collapsed and one has to view the tree in its entirety. I was wondering if outline view could be implemented in OO such that clicking on some button could open up a new window and display a visual representation of the outline tree. This visual representation MUST be collapseable to user defined depth individually on different outline branches. If this visual representation of the outline can be linked to the document, the users can simply see this visual representation of the outline and navigate the required part of the document by simply clicking on the required outline tree branch. This would not require any changes to the way a document is displayed and visualized, which I believe is what is requires lots of work on part of programmer to implement outline view. The linking from the tree to the document contents would be not different from a cross-reference. It is not quite the same as outline view that users are requesting for, but I think this is much more powerful as gives a visual representation of the outline view. Ofcourse there will be limitations on what can be displayed in the visual tree outline. Comments, suggestions ? -G - Please do not reply to this automatically generated notification from Issue Tracker. Please log onto the website and enter your comments. http://qa.openoffice.org/issue_handling/project_issues.html#notification - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[sw-issues] [Issue 3959] Outline View (aka MS Word)
To comment on the following update, log in, then open the issue: http://www.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=3959 --- Additional comments from [EMAIL PROTECTED] Tue May 8 16:43:52 + 2007 --- Obviously I didn't read the previous post. It is nice to know that this has been though about previously. -G - Please do not reply to this automatically generated notification from Issue Tracker. Please log onto the website and enter your comments. http://qa.openoffice.org/issue_handling/project_issues.html#notification - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[sw-issues] [Issue 3959] Outline View (aka MS Word)
To comment on the following update, log in, then open the issue: http://www.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=3959 --- Additional comments from [EMAIL PROTECTED] Tue May 8 17:02:26 + 2007 --- Couple of points I forgot in my previous post. The visual representation of the outline view could be editable, i.e., if one could add new branches to the tree outline in the visual representation, it would be useful for brainstorming sessions as MANY users have pointed out. Deletion of leafs or entire branches may be more complicated as there may be content under that outline. A simple user controlled setting may prevent user from doing silly stuff ... you guys know what I mean. -G - Please do not reply to this automatically generated notification from Issue Tracker. Please log onto the website and enter your comments. http://qa.openoffice.org/issue_handling/project_issues.html#notification - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[sw-issues] [Issue 3959] Outline View (aka MS Word)
To comment on the following update, log in, then open the issue: http://www.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=3959 User nmailhot changed the following: What|Old value |New value CC|'catch,dalo,dmelgar,erikan|'catch,dalo,dmelgar,erikan |derson3,graaf,hatless,kama|derson3,graaf,hatless,kama |taki,lijian,mba,pagalmes,r|taki,lijian,mba,nmailhot,p |emote29,thing,tora' |agalmes,remote29,thing,tor | |a' - Please do not reply to this automatically generated notification from Issue Tracker. Please log onto the website and enter your comments. http://qa.openoffice.org/issue_handling/project_issues.html#notification - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[sw-issues] [Issue 3959] Outline View (aka MS Word)
To comment on the following update, log in, then open the issue: http://www.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=3959 --- Additional comments from [EMAIL PROTECTED] Mon Apr 9 14:49:48 + 2007 --- I agree with all of the comments above that Outlining is the remaining ‘killer’ functionality missing from OpenOffice. As an additional enhancement I would like to suggest that outlining be combined with Mind-mapping functionality(see Wikipedia article: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mind_map, there are several good GPL projects e.g. VYM, Kdissert) as it is better than outlining for brainstorming large conceptual projects as it allows one to graphically structure the the thinking process and even add text to headings. Mindmapping, according to research, directly replicates the way the brain generates, synthesises and connects ideas. The structures from a mind mindmapping could be transfered to Outlining mode for further refinement or directly into an OpenOffice odt. This present schema is available in Windows XP using Mindjet (www.mindjet.com) with an ability to export the ideas structure into MS Word which can be either manipulated in Outline mode or Document mode. Mindmapping is also a powerful tool for generating presentations. Again Mindjet links to MS Powerpoint so that structured ideas can be transfered rapidly to presentations. Linking mindmap structutres to outlining and documents would become a powerful tool that exists nowhere else at present. - Please do not reply to this automatically generated notification from Issue Tracker. Please log onto the website and enter your comments. http://qa.openoffice.org/issue_handling/project_issues.html#notification - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[sw-issues] [Issue 3959] Outline View (aka MS Word)
To comment on the following update, log in, then open the issue: http://www.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=3959 User dalo changed the following: What|Old value |New value CC|'catch,dmelgar,erikanderso|'catch,dalo,dmelgar,erikan |n3,graaf,hatless,kamataki,|derson3,graaf,hatless,kama |lijian,mba,pagalmes,remote|taki,lijian,mba,pagalmes,r |29,thing,tora'|emote29,thing,tora' - Please do not reply to this automatically generated notification from Issue Tracker. Please log onto the website and enter your comments. http://qa.openoffice.org/issue_handling/project_issues.html#notification - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[sw-issues] [Issue 3959] Outline View (aka MS Word)
To comment on the following update, log in, then open the issue: http://www.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=3959 --- Additional comments from [EMAIL PROTECTED] Tue Apr 3 09:37:53 + 2007 --- Dmelgar has explained the importance about outline view much better than i could (thank you), i can confirm his experiences. Also, when doing Trainings, Users again and again ask for outline mode. I dont try to sell them Navigator, it's just not what they want. - Please do not reply to this automatically generated notification from Issue Tracker. Please log onto the website and enter your comments. http://qa.openoffice.org/issue_handling/project_issues.html#notification - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
