Re: [Alsa-devel] position at sun/paul davis
Am Freitag, den 30. Mai 2003 um 07:00:02 Uhr (-0700) schrieb Mark Knecht: Orm, I must say that I think this is the biggest bunch of crap I've seen on a Linux list in a long time. This list is no place for this sort of discussion and it's really a low act on your part to publish innuendo and rumor like it was the truth. Hi Mark, my sincere apologies, if I offended you, Paul or anybody else on this list. Paul posted this information on jackit-devel, as was the job offer so I considered my post appropriate. No low act intended on my side. I'll quote his mail below in case you didn't read it. sorry fore the noise. I'll take the blame. Orm --- ---Original Message--- From: Paul Davis [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 05/28/03 03:55 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Jackit-devel] Re: position at sun I'd just like to point out that Sun decided that my resume wasn't adequate for the position that was posted here yesterday. Apparently, Sun's representative said the candidate must have in depth Linux kernel experience. Also experience in implementation of OSS and/or ALSA framework and has contributed to the Linux Opensrc community. I'm taking this as a personal affront for the time being. If you think you or someone else has a better resume to match what Sun advertised, you should probably get in touch with them. Be sure to send Sun my regards. Oh well, Ardour is a more interesting project anyway :) --p --- --- This SF.net email is sponsored by: eBay Get office equipment for less on eBay! http://adfarm.mediaplex.com/ad/ck/711-11697-6916-5 ___ Alsa-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/alsa-devel
Re: [Alsa-devel] position at sun/paul davis
Orm Finnendahl wrote: Am Freitag, den 30. Mai 2003 um 07:00:02 Uhr (-0700) schrieb Mark Knecht: Orm, I must say that I think this is the biggest bunch of crap I've seen on a Linux list in a long time. This list is no place for this sort of discussion and it's really a low act on your part to publish innuendo and rumor like it was the truth. Hi Mark, my sincere apologies, if I offended you, Paul or anybody else on this list. Paul posted this information on jackit-devel, as was the job offer so I considered my post appropriate. No low act intended on my side. I'll quote his mail below in case you didn't read it. sorry fore the noise. I'll take the blame. Orm --- ---Original Message--- From: Paul Davis [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 05/28/03 03:55 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Jackit-devel] Re: position at sun I'd just like to point out that Sun decided that my resume wasn't adequate for the position that was posted here yesterday. Apparently, Sun's representative said the candidate must have in depth Linux kernel experience. Also experience in implementation of OSS and/or ALSA framework and has contributed to the Linux Opensrc community. I'm taking this as a personal affront for the time being. If you think you or someone else has a better resume to match what Sun advertised, you should probably get in touch with them. Be sure to send Sun my regards. Oh well, Ardour is a more interesting project anyway :) --p --- I think that this whole job opening was a prank. If they don't accept people like Paul, they obviously have no idea what linux audio is all about. I think that if this job opening was for real, the offer would have come from a [EMAIL PROTECTED] email address. Sun should not have to call on a 3rd party just to send emails to a mailing list. If this opening was in fact truly from sun, then too bad, because I doubt they will find anyone now that they have rejected Paul. Summary: I think the job opening at sun email was for some other devious purpose apart from offering a job. Cheers James --- This SF.net email is sponsored by: eBay Get office equipment for less on eBay! http://adfarm.mediaplex.com/ad/ck/711-11697-6916-5 ___ Alsa-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/alsa-devel
Re: [Alsa-devel] position at sun/paul davis
Orm, I must say that I think this is the biggest bunch of crap I've seen on a Linux list in a long time. This list is no place for this sort of discussion and it's really a low act on your part to publish innuendo and rumor like it was the truth. Even if it was true (AND I'M NOT SAYING IT IS. I HAVE NO INFORMATION AT ALL.) that Paul was not hired for some job at Sun, there are about a 1000 other potential reasons why that might have happened vs. some rumor of his technical capabilities, and I do not see what bearing a Sun-Ray job has on Alsa development anyway. I think the fact that you are publishing nothing but rumor is really a lousy thing to do and that you should apologize to the group here and to Paul personally for such a childish act. Even if you have real data, this is no place to play these games, and this is no way to do it. If this was a moderated reflector I would ask to have you banned. What a piece of work you are. I am not a member of the Jack Development list so my response is not going there. If a member of that list sees any reason to send my note there, please do. With best regards, Mark On Fri, 2003-05-30 at 00:37, Orm Finnendahl wrote: Dear Javier Diaz, I just learned that Sun rejected the application of Paul Davis for its job opening in San Jose concerning the architecting of SunRay(thin client) apparently for not considering him competent and appropriate. I'm working in Europe mainly for electronic music studios in the academic field. It is well known here that Paul Davis is one of the principal developers in the open source linux audio community. It seems ironic that one of the motors of linux audio development isn't even considered for a position in a major company, using software which is partly based on his free work. In addition not being able to judge Davis' competence doesn't enhance our trust in the quality of the products Sun develops. Be assured, the news about this decision is spread here in Europe and will have a significant impact on our choice of hardware purchase in the future. Please notify the responsible members of your staff. Orm Finnendahl -- Date: Tue, 27 May 2003 14:02:53 PDT To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Jackit-devel] could you please post this opening for a 12 month contract in San Jose, CA. DUTIES Work as a member of a team in architecting Audio framework for SunRay(thin client) on Linux.Work involves in-depth understanding of the Audio frameworks in Linux space such as (OSS and ALSA) and providing multi-user pseudo audio device interface for SunRay.Must have experience on implementation of CSS and/or ALSA framework and has contributed tothe Linux Opensrc community. In depth Linux kernal experience is a must.*** SKILLS Strong C and Linux kernel programming/debugging skills. Working knowledge of Audio drivers based on OSS and ALSA. In-depth working knowledge of ALSA kernel interfaces. Demonstrated contributions to ALSA framework is desirable. Working knowledge of Linux distributions including Rehat, Suse. Minimum of two years experience in driver development in Linux. Minimum of five years experience in systems software development. EDUCATION BS in CS/EE with 9+ years of industry experience. Best Regards, Javier Diaz Contract Manager Yoh Company Hardware, Software and Wireless Technologies (408) 654-9192 Ext. 256 (408) 654-9197 Fax Want to know greater talent? Go to http://www.yoh.com --- This SF.net email is sponsored by: eBay Get office equipment for less on eBay! http://adfarm.mediaplex.com/ad/ck/711-11697-6916-5 ___ Alsa-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/alsa-devel --- This SF.net email is sponsored by: eBay Get office equipment for less on eBay! http://adfarm.mediaplex.com/ad/ck/711-11697-6916-5 ___ Alsa-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/alsa-devel
RE: [Alsa-devel] position at sun/paul davis
Orm, Imagine my surprise when I rejoined Alsa-Dev yesterday for the first time in at least a month and this was the second email I received?! I am not a member of the Jack lists anymore, so I did not see anything that was posted by anyone, including Paul, there. I looked in the archives of this list, found nothing, and simply had to think that it was some weird personal attack against Paul. I now see that it was not and would like to apologize. I consider both your explanation and especially your graciousness about explaining it to be first rate. Thank you. If you were offended by anything I said, please accept my apologies. Paul is a hard working individual, and quite capable of doing most programming tasks I'm sure. Whether he was qualified for the job at Sun that focused on the Linux kernel, or whether there were other issues involved, I do not nor want to know. I still think this wasn't the place for this sort of message, but I suppose that since Paul's original post started it you were simply responding to that. That said, even rereading your post, I found it hard to be sure you were supporting Paul and anti-Sun. I think had that been clearer I might not have written anything at all. Please accept both my apologies as well as my thanks for how you handled this response. Again, in fairness, please forward this response to any list or person that might have received my previous post. With best regards, Mark -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Orm Finnendahl Sent: Friday, May 30, 2003 7:38 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Alsa-devel] position at sun/paul davis Am Freitag, den 30. Mai 2003 um 07:00:02 Uhr (-0700) schrieb Mark Knecht: Orm, I must say that I think this is the biggest bunch of crap I've seen on a Linux list in a long time. This list is no place for this sort of discussion and it's really a low act on your part to publish innuendo and rumor like it was the truth. Hi Mark, my sincere apologies, if I offended you, Paul or anybody else on this list. Paul posted this information on jackit-devel, as was the job offer so I considered my post appropriate. No low act intended on my side. I'll quote his mail below in case you didn't read it. sorry fore the noise. I'll take the blame. Orm --- ---Original Message--- From: Paul Davis [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 05/28/03 03:55 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Jackit-devel] Re: position at sun I'd just like to point out that Sun decided that my resume wasn't adequate for the position that was posted here yesterday. Apparently, Sun's representative said the candidate must have in depth Linux kernel experience. Also experience in implementation of OSS and/or ALSA framework and has contributed to the Linux Opensrc community. I'm taking this as a personal affront for the time being. If you think you or someone else has a better resume to match what Sun advertised, you should probably get in touch with them. Be sure to send Sun my regards. Oh well, Ardour is a more interesting project anyway :) --p --- --- This SF.net email is sponsored by: eBay Get office equipment for less on eBay! http://adfarm.mediaplex.com/ad/ck/711-11697-6916-5 ___ Alsa-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/alsa-devel --- This SF.net email is sponsored by: eBay Get office equipment for less on eBay! http://adfarm.mediaplex.com/ad/ck/711-11697-6916-5 ___ Alsa-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/alsa-devel
Re: [Alsa-devel] position at sun/paul davis
Dear James and ALSA developers, I should like to add a note of optimism in an otherwise depressing situation: I can personally verify that the job position (for Linux Audio on Sun/Ray) was at least formally entered as a requisition to a real recruiting company. The recuiting company, Yoh, Inc., is located just three blocks away from my company in Silicon Valley, and I actually visited them in person, and interviewed with Javier's colleague, Dave Dixon. The company has a beautiful office, staffed with lots of busy people, and they have some pretty good credentials, having staffed a number of local companies. In fact, it was through their lead that I first became interested in working on Linux Audio (not that I am anything more than a student of ALSA, at this point), in hopes of eventually gaining enough experience to qualify for positions such as the one under discussion. I post this in the hope that the high-quality people working on Linux and Linux Audio will remember that real companies actually do have real interest in hiring open source development experts. thanks, john h --- John F. Hubbard [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.hubbard-software.com (408) 297-8217 (home) --- This SF.net email is sponsored by: eBay Get office equipment for less on eBay! http://adfarm.mediaplex.com/ad/ck/711-11697-6916-5 ___ Alsa-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/alsa-devel
[Alsa-devel] position at sun/paul davis
Dear Javier Diaz, I just learned that Sun rejected the application of Paul Davis for its job opening in San Jose concerning the architecting of SunRay(thin client) apparently for not considering him competent and appropriate. I'm working in Europe mainly for electronic music studios in the academic field. It is well known here that Paul Davis is one of the principal developers in the open source linux audio community. It seems ironic that one of the motors of linux audio development isn't even considered for a position in a major company, using software which is partly based on his free work. In addition not being able to judge Davis' competence doesn't enhance our trust in the quality of the products Sun develops. Be assured, the news about this decision is spread here in Europe and will have a significant impact on our choice of hardware purchase in the future. Please notify the responsible members of your staff. Orm Finnendahl -- Date: Tue, 27 May 2003 14:02:53 PDT To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Jackit-devel] could you please post this opening for a 12 month contract in San Jose, CA. DUTIES Work as a member of a team in architecting Audio framework for SunRay(thin client) on Linux.Work involves in-depth understanding of the Audio frameworks in Linux space such as (OSS and ALSA) and providing multi-user pseudo audio device interface for SunRay.Must have experience on implementation of CSS and/or ALSA framework and has contributed tothe Linux Opensrc community. In depth Linux kernal experience is a must.*** SKILLS Strong C and Linux kernel programming/debugging skills. Working knowledge of Audio drivers based on OSS and ALSA. In-depth working knowledge of ALSA kernel interfaces. Demonstrated contributions to ALSA framework is desirable. Working knowledge of Linux distributions including Rehat, Suse. Minimum of two years experience in driver development in Linux. Minimum of five years experience in systems software development. EDUCATION BS in CS/EE with 9+ years of industry experience. Best Regards, Javier Diaz Contract Manager Yoh Company Hardware, Software and Wireless Technologies (408) 654-9192 Ext. 256 (408) 654-9197 Fax Want to know greater talent? Go to http://www.yoh.com --- This SF.net email is sponsored by: eBay Get office equipment for less on eBay! http://adfarm.mediaplex.com/ad/ck/711-11697-6916-5 ___ Alsa-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/alsa-devel
