[AMRadio] Fw: [Boatanchors] Weston Meters

2007-05-13 Thread david knepper
Still looking for these meters - need not work.  Looking particularly for 
milliampere meters in the range of 0-10 milliampere, 0-100 milliampere, etc. 
Weston 301 type or ??


Dayton spots 2354-2355

Collins Forum in Room 5 at 1:45 PM on Saturday.

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I am reproducing a very early Collins transmitter built in the 1930's and 
am looking for Weston surface mounted meters.  These are the 301 series 
bug eye type.  I will buy any that you may have.


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Re: [AMRadio] Whose on 7290 at 0215?

2007-05-13 Thread Geoff/W5OMR

Mike Duke, K5XU wrote:
I'm hearing a word or two from an AM station on 7290. I don't think it's a 
bc station, but it's way down in the noise.
  


East coasters sometimes use 40m, up around 7.290. 

at 9:15 last night, I was watching the San Antonio Spurs beat the 
Phoenix Suns to take a 2-1 lead in the Western Conference NBA semi-finals.


In about 15 minutes, I'll be on 3.880Mc.

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[AMRadio] Fixed Vacuum Capacitor

2007-05-13 Thread Rick Brashear
I'm not too sure how many of these I'll need, but I would like to find at
least a couple more.  They are GE part number GL-1L33 and the value is 100pf
at 7500 wvdc.  Physically they are approximately 4.5 inches long and 1.5
inches in diameter.  Equivalent caps would be fine as long as they meet the
physical and electrical criteria.  You can see a picture of the capacitors
at: http://amfone.net/Amforum/index.php?board=34.0

Thanks,
Rick/K5IZ

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RE: [AMRadio] Relay K5 in BC-1T

2007-05-13 Thread Rick Brashear
Brian,

I noticed in the manual K5 is listed as a 600 volt Time Delay Relay if that
helps.  My old eyes aren't that good either and I have yet to find it in the
schematic or pictorials.  My copy is not that good and the pictures are hard
to make out.

Rick/K5IZ



...Appears to me that K5 heaters are energized by K1 and in turn K5 will
close and allow (some)
output of the LV power supplies.  I suspect this is due to letting the
filaments on some of the LV tubes to light prior to plate voltage
being supplied to them, 30 seconds best I can tell.
Thanks,
Brian / wa5am

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RE: [AMRadio] Manuals for BC 1 T and G

2007-05-13 Thread uvcm inc.

I have a full manual for the BC1 T and G on disk; I had it scanned in high
res so the file is huge, I would be happy to post it to BAMMA, 
Two problems, I can only email 8 meg (verizon) at a time and never have
uploaded to BAMMA before, if I can get some help I would be happy for all to
have it
Brad KB7FQR 

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Re: [AMRadio] Manuals for BC 1 T and G

2007-05-13 Thread A.R.S. - W5AMI

Brad,

I will create you an FTP account on my web-space where you can upload
the whole thing, and I'll make certain it's to public access for
downloading as well, with credit to you as of course, naming the
folder with your call.  Give me a day two to get it prepared, and I'll
pass along the log-on parameters, etc.  If you have any trouble
uploading, let me know.

I encourage others who might have technical things like this which
need lots of space to contact me off list, and I will do the same for
you, if at all possible.

Thanks Brad,

Brian / wa5am


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I have a full manual for the BC1 T and G on disk; I had it scanned in high
res so the file is huge, I would be happy to post it to BAMMA,
Two problems, I can only email 8 meg (verizon) at a time and never have
uploaded to BAMMA before, if I can get some help I would be happy for all to
have it
Brad KB7FQR

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[AMRadio] Globe Champion 350 HQ-170A

2007-05-13 Thread Kim Elmore
If all goes well and I can get enough space cleared, I'm going to set 
up my Dad's (W5JHJ) Globe Champion 350 and Hammarlund HQ-170A in my 
shack, alongside my TenTec Orion II.  It has the original AX9909 
finals and my Dad is the original owner (purchased in 1959!). I think 
he even has a spare set of finals for it. Aside for some mods my Dad 
has made over the years, it's original, as is the HQ-170A. The last 
time we fired them up, everything worked and it all tuned as it 
should have. This thing even has the 11 m band on the VFO scale 
(which, as I recall, is terribly inaccurate), though none of the 11 m 
components.


I seldom see HQ-170As appear for sale and I can't think of the last 
time I saw a Globe Champ 350 for sale, so I have no idea what its 
value is; I'm guessing not much. Whatever it is, I assume it's higher 
with the AX9909's. Still, I've also seen some ideas about replacing 
the AX9909's with a pair of 4-65's. I can't however, find those posts 
anymore. Since the AX9909's are made of unobtainium, if they quit and 
the spares have a problem, I'll have to perform this mod. Are 4-65's 
more common? And, does anyone know the details of that mod? If not 
the 4-65, what would I use?


Kim Elmore, N5OP

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Re: [AMRadio] Globe Champion 350 HQ-170A

2007-05-13 Thread Jim Wilhite

Kim:

The AX 9909s are hard to find and some people tell me they 
don't last very long.  That I can't attest to since my Globe 
Champ has 8643s in the final.


The article on how to make the change from AX 9909s is in ER 
some time back.  If you need it, I can scan and email to 
you.  The article converts the AX 9909s to 5894s, which work 
just fine.


I made the conversion with 5894s and switched to 8643 since 
it has a higher plate voltage rating than the 5894.  There 
are other tubes that can be used, but I have never seen 
them.


If I can help, email direct and I will give you any 
information I have.


73

Jim/W5JO



If all goes well and I can get enough space cleared, I'm 
going to set up my Dad's (W5JHJ) Globe Champion 350 and 
Hammarlund HQ-170A in my shack, alongside my TenTec Orion 
II.  It has the original AX9909 finals and my Dad is the 
original owner (purchased in 1959!).




I seldom see HQ-170As appear for sale and I can't think of 
the last time I saw a Globe Champ 350 for sale, so I have 
no idea what its value is; I'm guessing not much. Whatever 
it is, I assume it's higher with the AX9909's. Still, I've 
also seen some ideas about replacing the AX9909's with a 
pair of 4-65's. I can't however, find those posts anymore. 
Since the AX9909's are made of unobtainium, if they quit 
and the spares have a problem, I'll have to perform this 
mod. Are 4-65's more common? And, does anyone know the 
details of that mod? If not the 4-65, what would I use?


Kim Elmore, N5OP




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[AMRadio] BC-1T

2007-05-13 Thread cemilton

I''d like to get K5 if I can find a replacement, don't know the type
yet, however it appears to be an octal plug-in.

I've got other rigs that supply both LV and filament voltage as soon
as they are turn on, however I wonder if anyone has some ideas of why
I would really need K5 in the Gates, that is until I can find suitable
replacement.


GE Brian,

I don't have the schematic for the BC-1T, so my comments are general in 
nature.


I worked on one many years ago, but memories fade.

A good rule of thumb with the old transmitters is that everything from 
start-up to shut-down worked in a sequence.  Albeit pretty much 
mechanical at the time, it worked.  As an example, rectifiers were 
often mercury-vapor types (e.g.-866's) and they required warm-up time.


The engineers who designed these beauties knew that those employed by 
the local stations would be stars (aka disc jockeys) first and 
engineers (3rd phone ticket with permission to adjust plate voltage 
rheostat only) last.


So they made the rigs as best they could and time-delay was a part of 
their scheme.  I never encountered what we call today, step-start in 
these 1kw (often .25kw) transmitters.  But the time delay relays, where 
used, were the next best thing.  For example, they gave the old 866's a 
few minutes to vaporize the mercury before allowing full plate voltage 
to be applied.  Most times it worked.  Other times, when it didn't, new 
tubes were needed.


In winter months, I would leave the filaments on in the Collins 300J 
and 20V-x transmitters so that a cold start the next morning wouldn't 
be encountered.   Remote transmitter buildings were often not heated 
(except by the transmitter) or the heat was turned on only if the 
temperature inside was below 40 degrees (f).  These were cost cutting 
measures used by management as the profit margin of the station was 
usually very slim.


So, in the quest to return old bc transmitters to service I'd opt to 
find and use whatever time-delay devices were called for in the 
original circuits.  Those octal plug T-D relays are still available if 
one looks far enough.  However, if you are modifying the transmitter 
and such things as 866's are but a dim memory..then review the 
circuit to ensure understanding of what they were there for and then 
omit or substitute based on your new configuration.


Hope some of this helps.   It's just a bunch of thoughts stemming from 
those days when these wonderful transmitters were the backbone of the 
bc industry.


73 de W4MIL
Chuck

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[AMRadio] 7290 Last Night

2007-05-13 Thread Mike Duke, K5XU


Yes, I worked Bill briefly about a half hour after I sent the question about
who was on 7290.

 The station I couldn't dig out was not him. He came on a little later, and
called several cq's with a pretty decent signal despite my local noise.

He was able to pull out most of my 25 watt rice box mumblings!

K5XU




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Re: [AMRadio] BC-1T

2007-05-13 Thread ROLYNN PRECHTL K7DFW

 ...however I wonder if anyone has some ideas of why I would really
need K5 in the Gates, that is until I can find suitable replacement.
=

It's there to provide proper heating of the 866A MV rectifiers (if you
haven't pulled them and substituted SS replacements) before application of
their plate supply. It is there to prevent flash-over and potential
destruction of that plate xformer.


K7DFW


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Re: [AMRadio] Relay K5 in BC-1T

2007-05-13 Thread DOXEMF
Brian,
Here is a scan of the sequencing circuit from the 250/1k conversion. There is 
probably other relative info also on the other pages.

http://photos.doxaudiolab.net/displayimage.php?album=18pos=4

Bill,
KB3DKS/1
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Re: [AMRadio] Globe Champion 350 HQ-170A

2007-05-13 Thread Mike Sawyer
Jim said: The AX 9909s are hard to find and some people tell me they
don't last very long.

Jim is correct IF you transmit prior to letting the AX9909's warm up. Why 
Leo Myerson's crew decided on these tubes is un-beknownst to me. However, I 
have been told that you need adequate warm up time, (roughly 5 min.) to help 
maintain a seal around the pins. All of the pins, including the plate come 
off of the bottom. I guess I ought to get a new low voltage transformer so I 
can return mine to the air.
Mod-U-Lator,
Mike(y)
W3SLK 

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Re: [AMRadio] Globe Champion 350 HQ-170A

2007-05-13 Thread Jim Wilhite
Yea when are you gonna do that Mike?  I keep listening for 
you


73  Jim/W5JO

. I guess I ought to get a new low voltage transformer so I

can return mine to the air.
Mod-U-Lator,
Mike(y)
W3SLK




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Re: [AMRadio] BC-1T

2007-05-13 Thread A.R.S. - W5AMI

On 5/13/07, ROLYNN PRECHTL  K7DFW [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


 ...however I wonder if anyone has some ideas of why I would really
need K5 in the Gates, that is until I can find suitable replacement.
=

It's there to provide proper heating of the 866A MV rectifiers (if you
haven't pulled them and substituted SS replacements) before application of
their plate supply. It is there to prevent flash-over and potential
destruction of that plate xformer.


K7DFW


The tx does have ALL SS rectifiers now, from what I understand.
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RE: [AMRadio] Manuals for BC 1 T and G

2007-05-13 Thread uvcm inc.
Sounds good
Brad KB7FQR

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Brad,

I will create you an FTP account on my web-space where you can upload
the whole thing, and I'll make certain it's to public access for
downloading as well, with credit to you as of course, naming the
folder with your call.  Give me a day two to get it prepared, and I'll
pass along the log-on parameters, etc.  If you have any trouble
uploading, let me know.

I encourage others who might have technical things like this which
need lots of space to contact me off list, and I will do the same for
you, if at all possible.

Thanks Brad,

Brian / wa5am


On 5/13/07, uvcm inc. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 I have a full manual for the BC1 T and G on disk; I had it scanned in high
 res so the file is huge, I would be happy to post it to BAMMA,
 Two problems, I can only email 8 meg (verizon) at a time and never have
 uploaded to BAMMA before, if I can get some help I would be happy for all
to
 have it
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Re: [AMRadio] Relay K5 in BC-1T

2007-05-13 Thread Bill Fondren
If the  posted relay scheme is correct for your Gates, I believe both relays K5 
and K6 are the old Amperite OD (On delay)  type time delay relays.  Probably 
the same type relay with different time delays.  K5 is in the low voltage power 
supply and K6 in the high voltage circuit. More safety precauctions.   They are 
still availableK5PMLBill Fondren
   
   
  

A.R.S. - W5AMI [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  'he current owner of the BC-1T I'm getting discovered that the plug-in
reply K5 was missing. He was pretty concerned about not telling me
about it before, however I laughed and told him that if he had just
now discovered the 4 833's were missing, I might not be laughing.



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Re: [AMRadio] Relay K5 in BC-1T

2007-05-13 Thread sbjohnston


K5 in my Gates BC-1T was an Amperite 115 VAC glass-envelope, 
octal-based time-delay relay with one normally-open contact.  It was 30 
seconds delay, so that would be  a 115NO030.  I found that both time 
delay relay coils in the rig are actually running on 230 VAC (as are 
all the control circuits) with a 6k resistor in series to drop it to 
115.


While I was restoring my rig, I found the contacts on K5 bounced upon 
make, so it would have an irregular start-up time and would sometimes 
bounce three or four time before finally settling down.  To fix the 
problem, I pulled the relay, wrapped it in a towel, and smashed the 
glass.  Then I burnished the contacts, tested it, then glued a small 
bottle upside-down in place of the original glass.


I found 30 seconds to be a bit long for the low-voltage enable delay, 
so I ended up replacing the Amperite with an octal programmable 
solid-state timer relay I had on hand set to 15 seconds.  The K4 relay 
for the HV enable delay was excessively long too, a couple minutes as I 
recall, so I ultimately moved the 115NO030 to the K4 socket to become 
the HV inhibit TD relay.


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Re: [AMRadio] Globe Champion 350 HQ-170A

2007-05-13 Thread KA5MIR
Hello Kim,
  Congrats on having your dad's original Globe Champion.  I've had Globe 
Champions for years (picture on QRZ) and tried lots of different tubes in 
them, mostly just for fun and experimentation.

  The AX9909s are VERY fragile IMHO.  A pentode, they remind me of a TV sweep 
tube.  The only reason I would keep them is if you really wanted to try to 
keep the radio original.  In that case, I would be very careful to NEVER 
allow them to pull a lot of plate current, especially while tuning.  Almost 
every one I've seen cracks or leaks at the plate pin on the bottom.  You can 
hear the tubes making crackling noises as they heat and cool during normal 
operation.  Not very comforting.  :)

  The 4-65's I tried for finals seemed sluggish and not very efficient at 
1000vdc.  I think they want more voltage.

  I'd recommend 5894's or that heavy duty version that W5JO mentioned.  They 
are not too hard to find.  There were lots of them produced for business 
radios and repeaters.

  They plug in the original sockets but you may have to remove the socket 
sub-chassis and rewire the sockets.  Not too difficult.  Very important to 
remember the filament supply voltage is 12.6v and to wire the filaments as 
needed.

  The low voltage transformer is a weak point.  If you use different finals, 
you can solid state the plate supply to remove some load from it.  This will 
raise the plate voltage some and I wouldn't do that with 9909's.

  You can plug in 811A's for the 809 modulators and run 0 volts bias.  That 
will eliminate the negative bias rectifier for the 809's and give you 
heftier, easy to find modulator tubes.  I like 811A's for audio tubes.

  Good luck getting it back on the air and let us know if you run into any 
problems.

73',
Kent/KA5MIR


On Sunday 13 May 2007 04:44:52 pm Kim Elmore wrote:
 If all goes well and I can get enough space cleared, I'm going to set
 up my Dad's (W5JHJ) Globe Champion 350 and Hammarlund HQ-170A in my
 shack, alongside my TenTec Orion II.  It has the original AX9909
 finals and my Dad is the original owner (purchased in 1959!). I think
 he even has a spare set of finals for it. Aside for some mods my Dad
 has made over the years, it's original, as is the HQ-170A. The last
 time we fired them up, everything worked and it all tuned as it
 should have. This thing even has the 11 m band on the VFO scale
 (which, as I recall, is terribly inaccurate), though none of the 11 m
 components.

 I seldom see HQ-170As appear for sale and I can't think of the last
 time I saw a Globe Champ 350 for sale, so I have no idea what its
 value is; I'm guessing not much. Whatever it is, I assume it's higher
 with the AX9909's. Still, I've also seen some ideas about replacing
 the AX9909's with a pair of 4-65's. I can't however, find those posts
 anymore. Since the AX9909's are made of unobtainium, if they quit and
 the spares have a problem, I'll have to perform this mod. Are 4-65's
 more common? And, does anyone know the details of that mod? If not
 the 4-65, what would I use?

 Kim Elmore, N5OP
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Re: [AMRadio] Globe Champion 350 HQ-170A

2007-05-13 Thread KA5MIR
Good question!  Does anyone know of ANYTHING else that used an AX9909?
I wonder if Amperex built them for some military project that fell through 
and the whole lot got sold to WRL for a song?  Who else would want a tube 
that doesn't fit anything?

Kent/KA5MIR

 Why Leo Myerson's crew decided on these tubes
 is un-beknownst to me.  


On Sunday 13 May 2007 05:57:00 pm Mike Sawyer wrote:
 Jim said: The AX 9909s are hard to find and some people tell me they
 don't last very long.

 Jim is correct IF you transmit prior to letting the AX9909's warm up. Why
 Leo Myerson's crew decided on these tubes is un-beknownst to me. However,
 I have been told that you need adequate warm up time, (roughly 5 min.) to
 help maintain a seal around the pins. All of the pins, including the plate
 come off of the bottom. I guess I ought to get a new low voltage
 transformer so I can return mine to the air.
 Mod-U-Lator,
 Mike(y)
 W3SLK
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