Re: [Amsn-devel] web-online buddy icon in default skin on mac
It seems that BoneFill (the skin's author) didn't include the image for the RC release, but he's releasing an update with this icon soon :-D (CF. http://forums.cocoaforge.com/viewtopic.php?p=93019#93019) -Tom On 29 May 2007, at 10:50, Harry Vennik wrote: Hi, While using 0.97RC1 on mac, when one of my contacts came online, its buddy icon appeared much bigger in the CL. The status was Web/Online, so i think the icon for that status is just the wrong size in the mac default skin. Would be something to fix before 0.97, i guess. Regards, Harry -- --- This SF.net email is sponsored by DB2 Express Download DB2 Express C - the FREE version of DB2 express and take control of your XML. No limits. Just data. Click to get it now. http://sourceforge.net/powerbar/db2/ ___ Amsn-devel mailing list Amsn-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/amsn-devel - This SF.net email is sponsored by DB2 Express Download DB2 Express C - the FREE version of DB2 express and take control of your XML. No limits. Just data. Click to get it now. http://sourceforge.net/powerbar/db2/ ___ Amsn-devel mailing list Amsn-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/amsn-devel
Re: [Amsn-devel] baazen!
well done on your first commit! by the way, you should also subscribe to the amsn-commits mailing list, so you can see all the commits. Keep it coming ;) KKRT On Thu, May 31, 2007 at 12:05:49AM +0200, Mirko Hansen wrote: Wow thanks a lot everybody for this nice welcome. It's a real pleasure to me. I think I should introduce myself roughly. Well, I think you all already know, but my name is Mirko. ;) I'm 24 years old, living in Germany, and actually I'm studying computer science at university. It's sometimes really time-consuming, especially if we have those really nice homeworks like the last two days, but I hope I'll be of use for the team, anyway I'll give my best to. As Youness said, I'm very new to TCL, I never had to deal with it before, so I would be really grateful if you advise me of my possibly made mistakes, to be able to learn from them. :) I think you'll hear from me soon. To a great teamwork! :) Bye, Mirko 2007/5/30, Youness Alaoui [EMAIL PROTECTED]: yeah, sounds intriguing right ? well, baaazen is the username of Mirko. And this mail is to announce that he's been added as part of the team. So everyone, please welcome Mirko into the team, and please be helpful. Mirko, if you need anything, don't hesitate to ask. I think you've been following the ML for a little while now so you should know how we work. in short ; 1 - a bugfix, you can commit 2 - a change to the UI should be discussed 3 - a change of behavior should be discussed 4 - a new feature should be discussed. Mirko is still studying and won't have much time (like everyone else) but he promised to do his best to try and help. He doesn't know much Tcl but from the patches he sent, it shows that he's very skilled and I'm sure he'll learn it all pretty soon. KaKaRoTo - This SF.net email is sponsored by DB2 Express Download DB2 Express C - the FREE version of DB2 express and take control of your XML. No limits. Just data. Click to get it now. http://sourceforge.net/powerbar/db2/ ___ Amsn-devel mailing list Amsn-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/amsn-devel - This SF.net email is sponsored by DB2 Express Download DB2 Express C - the FREE version of DB2 express and take control of your XML. No limits. Just data. Click to get it now. http://sourceforge.net/powerbar/db2/ ___ Amsn-devel mailing list Amsn-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/amsn-devel - This SF.net email is sponsored by DB2 Express Download DB2 Express C - the FREE version of DB2 express and take control of your XML. No limits. Just data. Click to get it now. http://sourceforge.net/powerbar/db2/ ___ Amsn-devel mailing list Amsn-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/amsn-devel
Re: [Amsn-devel] 0.98 TODO
Heey, so much speaking without me :'( Are you crazy to flood my mailbox like that ? Anyway, IMO, putting FTs in CL is a really bad idea as I think that many people don't look at it when they are in a speaking with someone so EVEN if HIG would say that I would be totally against. By the way, HIG as some really strange ideas about notification icons... And I hate Gnome :p (no j/k : I dislike it (piuuh I almost threw a troll on the ML :d) ) Anyway, about putting it in the same window that the discussion, I think that's a good idea : that let us always see the FT state but... I think it takes its place in the window (imagine my CW with no DPs : I want to maximum for the discussion because that's the aim of this window) Putting FTs embedded in the output text area is for me silly as we loose it too easily and I agree with many of you when you say that's a dl manager hasn't its place in aMSN (Youness please stop with Opera : as soon as a soft is closed source, it is EVIL :p) Browser have a dl manager because a user (you for example) downloads various things but it's always bound to your interests or sth like that. With IM, the FT is more bound to a user (there is context : you receive/send this file because you speak about sth precise with your contact). I still wonder how we could melt such a list in the chat window without any repacking (repacking is always ugly and all the window flicker :s) But if we find how to put this list, I would be to put FT requests also in it : like that, you can easily accept a past FT and that put every FT related things in the same place. Phil PS I will try to avoid looong mails like Youness ones. He would beat me too easily :d Youness Alaoui a écrit : that's the point of the brainstorming :) On Wed, May 30, 2007 at 09:53:38PM +0200, NoWhereMan wrote: Karel Demeyer wrote: Again, I'd like the question(s) to rise: Do we really need an FT manager? Isn't this a bit over-engineering ? Is it needed for an IM program where file transfers are a nice feature but not the main activity ? Do you think our users will transfer so many files at once they need a manager because they can't manage 'm themselves ? I just don't like progress bars floating around...that's all it's true that file manager does have progress dialogs, but this is a - erm - IM program, does really an IM program need a dialog progress bar? *cough* :D - This SF.net email is sponsored by DB2 Express Download DB2 Express C - the FREE version of DB2 express and take control of your XML. No limits. Just data. Click to get it now. http://sourceforge.net/powerbar/db2/ ___ Amsn-devel mailing list Amsn-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/amsn-devel - This SF.net email is sponsored by DB2 Express Download DB2 Express C - the FREE version of DB2 express and take control of your XML. No limits. Just data. Click to get it now. http://sourceforge.net/powerbar/db2/ ___ Amsn-devel mailing list Amsn-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/amsn-devel - This SF.net email is sponsored by DB2 Express Download DB2 Express C - the FREE version of DB2 express and take control of your XML. No limits. Just data. Click to get it now. http://sourceforge.net/powerbar/db2/ ___ Amsn-devel mailing list Amsn-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/amsn-devel
Re: [Amsn-devel] baazen!
Just backported in branch... I wondor for Scapor modification... Author: scapor Project:amsn Revision: 8782 Changed Lines: 61 tryout: winicon is changed to DP of user for chatwindows to easily find chats in windowmanager listings.OK or not ? Phil PS And this shitty amsn-commits ML that doesn't work with me :@ Youness Alaoui a écrit : well done on your first commit! by the way, you should also subscribe to the amsn-commits mailing list, so you can see all the commits. Keep it coming ;) KKRT On Thu, May 31, 2007 at 12:05:49AM +0200, Mirko Hansen wrote: Wow thanks a lot everybody for this nice welcome. It's a real pleasure to me. I think I should introduce myself roughly. Well, I think you all already know, but my name is Mirko. ;) I'm 24 years old, living in Germany, and actually I'm studying computer science at university. It's sometimes really time-consuming, especially if we have those really nice homeworks like the last two days, but I hope I'll be of use for the team, anyway I'll give my best to. As Youness said, I'm very new to TCL, I never had to deal with it before, so I would be really grateful if you advise me of my possibly made mistakes, to be able to learn from them. :) I think you'll hear from me soon. To a great teamwork! :) Bye, Mirko 2007/5/30, Youness Alaoui [EMAIL PROTECTED]: yeah, sounds intriguing right ? well, baaazen is the username of Mirko. And this mail is to announce that he's been added as part of the team. So everyone, please welcome Mirko into the team, and please be helpful. Mirko, if you need anything, don't hesitate to ask. I think you've been following the ML for a little while now so you should know how we work. in short ; 1 - a bugfix, you can commit 2 - a change to the UI should be discussed 3 - a change of behavior should be discussed 4 - a new feature should be discussed. Mirko is still studying and won't have much time (like everyone else) but he promised to do his best to try and help. He doesn't know much Tcl but from the patches he sent, it shows that he's very skilled and I'm sure he'll learn it all pretty soon. KaKaRoTo - This SF.net email is sponsored by DB2 Express Download DB2 Express C - the FREE version of DB2 express and take control of your XML. No limits. Just data. Click to get it now. http://sourceforge.net/powerbar/db2/ ___ Amsn-devel mailing list Amsn-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/amsn-devel - This SF.net email is sponsored by DB2 Express Download DB2 Express C - the FREE version of DB2 express and take control of your XML. No limits. Just data. Click to get it now. http://sourceforge.net/powerbar/db2/ ___ Amsn-devel mailing list Amsn-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/amsn-devel - This SF.net email is sponsored by DB2 Express Download DB2 Express C - the FREE version of DB2 express and take control of your XML. No limits. Just data. Click to get it now. http://sourceforge.net/powerbar/db2/ ___ Amsn-devel mailing list Amsn-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/amsn-devel - This SF.net email is sponsored by DB2 Express Download DB2 Express C - the FREE version of DB2 express and take control of your XML. No limits. Just data. Click to get it now. http://sourceforge.net/powerbar/db2/ ___ Amsn-devel mailing list Amsn-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/amsn-devel
Re: [Amsn-devel] baazen!
OK, this is a test if you like it. it seems to make it easier to find chatwindows you recently used in a window manager's windows list. (as in it was covered byu a window and you can more quickly find the image related to the person (especially if he or she doesn't change those images too often) as you had it on your screen just before it was covered). Does this icon appear in the tray on mac too ? I was wondering about discussing it before applying but then thought it's quite trivial so I could just do it so you see it and it can easily be removed again if it's not liked. Karel. PS: I'm aware of the fact it possibly doesn't work for windows 2007/5/31, Philippe Valembois - Phil [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Just backported in branch... I wondor for Scapor modification... Author: scapor Project:amsn Revision: 8782 Changed Lines: 61 tryout: winicon is changed to DP of user for chatwindows to easily find chats in windowmanager listings.OK or not ? Phil PS And this shitty amsn-commits ML that doesn't work with me :@ Youness Alaoui a écrit : well done on your first commit! by the way, you should also subscribe to the amsn-commits mailing list, so you can see all the commits. Keep it coming ;) KKRT On Thu, May 31, 2007 at 12:05:49AM +0200, Mirko Hansen wrote: Wow thanks a lot everybody for this nice welcome. It's a real pleasure to me. I think I should introduce myself roughly. Well, I think you all already know, but my name is Mirko. ;) I'm 24 years old, living in Germany, and actually I'm studying computer science at university. It's sometimes really time-consuming, especially if we have those really nice homeworks like the last two days, but I hope I'll be of use for the team, anyway I'll give my best to. As Youness said, I'm very new to TCL, I never had to deal with it before, so I would be really grateful if you advise me of my possibly made mistakes, to be able to learn from them. :) I think you'll hear from me soon. To a great teamwork! :) Bye, Mirko 2007/5/30, Youness Alaoui [EMAIL PROTECTED]: yeah, sounds intriguing right ? well, baaazen is the username of Mirko. And this mail is to announce that he's been added as part of the team. So everyone, please welcome Mirko into the team, and please be helpful. Mirko, if you need anything, don't hesitate to ask. I think you've been following the ML for a little while now so you should know how we work. in short ; 1 - a bugfix, you can commit 2 - a change to the UI should be discussed 3 - a change of behavior should be discussed 4 - a new feature should be discussed. Mirko is still studying and won't have much time (like everyone else) but he promised to do his best to try and help. He doesn't know much Tcl but from the patches he sent, it shows that he's very skilled and I'm sure he'll learn it all pretty soon. KaKaRoTo - This SF.net email is sponsored by DB2 Express Download DB2 Express C - the FREE version of DB2 express and take control of your XML. No limits. Just data. Click to get it now. http://sourceforge.net/powerbar/db2/ ___ Amsn-devel mailing list Amsn-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/amsn-devel - This SF.net email is sponsored by DB2 Express Download DB2 Express C - the FREE version of DB2 express and take control of your XML. No limits. Just data. Click to get it now. http://sourceforge.net/powerbar/db2/ ___ Amsn-devel mailing list Amsn-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/amsn-devel - This SF.net email is sponsored by DB2 Express Download DB2 Express C - the FREE version of DB2 express and take control of your XML. No limits. Just data. Click to get it now. http://sourceforge.net/powerbar/db2/ ___ Amsn-devel mailing list Amsn-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/amsn-devel - This SF.net email is sponsored by DB2 Express Download DB2 Express C - the FREE version of DB2 express and take control of your XML. No limits. Just data. Click to get it now. http://sourceforge.net/powerbar/db2/ ___ Amsn-devel mailing list Amsn-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/amsn-devel - This SF.net email is sponsored by DB2 Express Download DB2 Express C - the FREE version of DB2 express and take control
Re: [Amsn-devel] baazen!
There isn't a tray on OS X. We've got a dock with open applications or applications to launch, but it's not like the windows one. Currently right clicking on the icon gives a contextual menu with all open windows (clicking on the item raises the window), but not the open tabs. - Tom On 31 May 2007, at 16:57, Karel Demeyer wrote: OK, this is a test if you like it. it seems to make it easier to find chatwindows you recently used in a window manager's windows list. (as in it was covered byu a window and you can more quickly find the image related to the person (especially if he or she doesn't change those images too often) as you had it on your screen just before it was covered). Does this icon appear in the tray on mac too ? I was wondering about discussing it before applying but then thought it's quite trivial so I could just do it so you see it and it can easily be removed again if it's not liked. Karel. PS: I'm aware of the fact it possibly doesn't work for windows 2007/5/31, Philippe Valembois - Phil [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Just backported in branch... I wondor for Scapor modification... Author: scapor Project:amsn Revision: 8782 Changed Lines: 61 tryout: winicon is changed to DP of user for chatwindows to easily find chats in windowmanager listings.OK or not ? Phil PS And this shitty amsn-commits ML that doesn't work with me :@ Youness Alaoui a écrit : well done on your first commit! by the way, you should also subscribe to the amsn-commits mailing list, so you can see all the commits. Keep it coming ;) KKRT On Thu, May 31, 2007 at 12:05:49AM +0200, Mirko Hansen wrote: Wow thanks a lot everybody for this nice welcome. It's a real pleasure to me. I think I should introduce myself roughly. Well, I think you all already know, but my name is Mirko. ;) I'm 24 years old, living in Germany, and actually I'm studying computer science at university. It's sometimes really time-consuming, especially if we have those really nice homeworks like the last two days, but I hope I'll be of use for the team, anyway I'll give my best to. As Youness said, I'm very new to TCL, I never had to deal with it before, so I would be really grateful if you advise me of my possibly made mistakes, to be able to learn from them. :) I think you'll hear from me soon. To a great teamwork! :) Bye, Mirko 2007/5/30, Youness Alaoui [EMAIL PROTECTED]: yeah, sounds intriguing right ? well, baaazen is the username of Mirko. And this mail is to announce that he's been added as part of the team. So everyone, please welcome Mirko into the team, and please be helpful. Mirko, if you need anything, don't hesitate to ask. I think you've been following the ML for a little while now so you should know how we work. in short ; 1 - a bugfix, you can commit 2 - a change to the UI should be discussed 3 - a change of behavior should be discussed 4 - a new feature should be discussed. Mirko is still studying and won't have much time (like everyone else) but he promised to do his best to try and help. He doesn't know much Tcl but from the patches he sent, it shows that he's very skilled and I'm sure he'll learn it all pretty soon. KaKaRoTo -- --- This SF.net email is sponsored by DB2 Express Download DB2 Express C - the FREE version of DB2 express and take control of your XML. No limits. Just data. Click to get it now. http://sourceforge.net/powerbar/db2/ ___ Amsn-devel mailing list Amsn-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/amsn-devel --- -- This SF.net email is sponsored by DB2 Express Download DB2 Express C - the FREE version of DB2 express and take control of your XML. No limits. Just data. Click to get it now. http://sourceforge.net/powerbar/db2/ ___ Amsn-devel mailing list Amsn-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/amsn-devel - This SF.net email is sponsored by DB2 Express Download DB2 Express C - the FREE version of DB2 express and take control of your XML. No limits. Just data. Click to get it now. http://sourceforge.net/powerbar/db2/ ___ Amsn-devel mailing list Amsn-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/amsn-devel - This SF.net email is sponsored by DB2 Express Download DB2 Express C - the FREE version of DB2 express and take control of your XML. No limits. Just data. Click to get it now. http://sourceforge.net/powerbar/db2/
Re: [Amsn-devel] 0.98 TODO
2007/5/31, Philippe Valembois - Phil [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Heey, so much speaking without me :'( Are you crazy to flood my mailbox like that ? Anyway, IMO, putting FTs in CL is a really bad idea as I think that many people don't look at it when they are in a speaking with someone so EVEN if HIG would say that I would be totally against. The HIG doesn't state file transfer managers should be in the main window; it was just a choice to remove clutter. A lot of usability guidelines say you shouldn't open too much individual windows though. By the way, HIG as some really strange ideas about notification icons... They declare 'm as notification icons, instead of how it is used mostly in windows: as a solution to the taskbar being too small for all windows (which is a design flaw of the taskbar, so the taskbar should be changed instead of using the notification tray as a taskbar2) And I hate Gnome :p (no j/k : I dislike it (piuuh I almost threw a troll on the ML :d) ) :D Anyway, about putting it in the same window that the discussion, I think that's a good idea : that let us always see the FT state but... I think it takes its place in the window (imagine my CW with no DPs : I want to maximum for the discussion because that's the aim of this window) Putting FTs embedded in the output text area is for me silly as we loose it too easily and I agree with many of you when you say that's a dl manager hasn't its place in aMSN (Youness please stop with Opera : as soon as a soft is closed source, it is EVIL :p) Browser have a dl manager because a user (you for example) downloads various things but it's always bound to your interests or sth like that. With IM, the FT is more bound to a user (there is context : you receive/send this file because you speak about sth precise with your contact). I still wonder how we could melt such a list in the chat window without any repacking (repacking is always ugly and all the window flicker :s) But if we find how to put this list, I would be to put FT requests also in it : like that, you can easily accept a past FT and that put every FT related things in the same place. Many therefor it's also easier to put it on the right underneath the DP's of your contact(s) as it would take more lines) About the need for a manager to find files that were sent to you in the past: why not incoporate it in the chat history ? the transfer took place in a chat .. so if you want to find it again, you can search that chat by date/contact and if we have it possible to put (inside the chathistory) some interactive lines (an open file and open dir and remove file link, that is inactive if the file doesn't exist anymore) ... ideas ? Phil PS I will try to avoid looong mails like Youness ones. He would beat me too easily :d Youness Alaoui a écrit : that's the point of the brainstorming :) On Wed, May 30, 2007 at 09:53:38PM +0200, NoWhereMan wrote: Karel Demeyer wrote: Again, I'd like the question(s) to rise: Do we really need an FT manager? Isn't this a bit over-engineering ? Is it needed for an IM program where file transfers are a nice feature but not the main activity ? Do you think our users will transfer so many files at once they need a manager because they can't manage 'm themselves ? I just don't like progress bars floating around...that's all it's true that file manager does have progress dialogs, but this is a - erm - IM program, does really an IM program need a dialog progress bar? *cough* :D - This SF.net email is sponsored by DB2 Express Download DB2 Express C - the FREE version of DB2 express and take control of your XML. No limits. Just data. Click to get it now. http://sourceforge.net/powerbar/db2/ ___ Amsn-devel mailing list Amsn-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/amsn-devel - This SF.net email is sponsored by DB2 Express Download DB2 Express C - the FREE version of DB2 express and take control of your XML. No limits. Just data. Click to get it now. http://sourceforge.net/powerbar/db2/ ___ Amsn-devel mailing list Amsn-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/amsn-devel - This SF.net email is sponsored by DB2 Express Download DB2 Express C - the FREE version of DB2 express and take control of your XML. No limits. Just data. Click to get it now. http://sourceforge.net/powerbar/db2/ ___ Amsn-devel mailing list Amsn-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/amsn-devel
Re: [Amsn-devel] baazen!
I meant dock instead of tray ... but as it's one icon for the whole app I think it's best to not change the dock icon for the active chat DP as it wouldn't make it better (no different items to extinguish) and make it worse to find amsn (as the icon wouldn't be always the same). 2007/5/31, Tom Hennigan [EMAIL PROTECTED]: There isn't a tray on OS X. We've got a dock with open applications or applications to launch, but it's not like the windows one. Currently right clicking on the icon gives a contextual menu with all open windows (clicking on the item raises the window), but not the open tabs. - Tom On 31 May 2007, at 16:57, Karel Demeyer wrote: OK, this is a test if you like it. it seems to make it easier to find chatwindows you recently used in a window manager's windows list. (as in it was covered byu a window and you can more quickly find the image related to the person (especially if he or she doesn't change those images too often) as you had it on your screen just before it was covered). Does this icon appear in the tray on mac too ? I was wondering about discussing it before applying but then thought it's quite trivial so I could just do it so you see it and it can easily be removed again if it's not liked. Karel. PS: I'm aware of the fact it possibly doesn't work for windows 2007/5/31, Philippe Valembois - Phil [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Just backported in branch... I wondor for Scapor modification... Author: scapor Project:amsn Revision: 8782 Changed Lines: 61 tryout: winicon is changed to DP of user for chatwindows to easily find chats in windowmanager listings.OK or not ? Phil PS And this shitty amsn-commits ML that doesn't work with me :@ Youness Alaoui a écrit : well done on your first commit! by the way, you should also subscribe to the amsn-commits mailing list, so you can see all the commits. Keep it coming ;) KKRT On Thu, May 31, 2007 at 12:05:49AM +0200, Mirko Hansen wrote: Wow thanks a lot everybody for this nice welcome. It's a real pleasure to me. I think I should introduce myself roughly. Well, I think you all already know, but my name is Mirko. ;) I'm 24 years old, living in Germany, and actually I'm studying computer science at university. It's sometimes really time-consuming, especially if we have those really nice homeworks like the last two days, but I hope I'll be of use for the team, anyway I'll give my best to. As Youness said, I'm very new to TCL, I never had to deal with it before, so I would be really grateful if you advise me of my possibly made mistakes, to be able to learn from them. :) I think you'll hear from me soon. To a great teamwork! :) Bye, Mirko 2007/5/30, Youness Alaoui [EMAIL PROTECTED]: yeah, sounds intriguing right ? well, baaazen is the username of Mirko. And this mail is to announce that he's been added as part of the team. So everyone, please welcome Mirko into the team, and please be helpful. Mirko, if you need anything, don't hesitate to ask. I think you've been following the ML for a little while now so you should know how we work. in short ; 1 - a bugfix, you can commit 2 - a change to the UI should be discussed 3 - a change of behavior should be discussed 4 - a new feature should be discussed. Mirko is still studying and won't have much time (like everyone else) but he promised to do his best to try and help. He doesn't know much Tcl but from the patches he sent, it shows that he's very skilled and I'm sure he'll learn it all pretty soon. KaKaRoTo -- --- This SF.net email is sponsored by DB2 Express Download DB2 Express C - the FREE version of DB2 express and take control of your XML. No limits. Just data. Click to get it now. http://sourceforge.net/powerbar/db2/ ___ Amsn-devel mailing list Amsn-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/amsn-devel --- -- This SF.net email is sponsored by DB2 Express Download DB2 Express C - the FREE version of DB2 express and take control of your XML. No limits. Just data. Click to get it now. http://sourceforge.net/powerbar/db2/ ___ Amsn-devel mailing list Amsn-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/amsn-devel - This SF.net email is sponsored by DB2 Express Download DB2 Express C - the FREE version of DB2 express and take control of your XML. No limits. Just data. Click to get it now. http://sourceforge.net/powerbar/db2/ ___ Amsn-devel mailing list
Re: [Amsn-devel] 0.98 TODO
I didn't want to speak about long time histories but more about pending FTs... Those we display with the accept link : having it in the same list could be great IMO... Phil Karel Demeyer a écrit : 2007/5/31, Philippe Valembois - Phil [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Heey, so much speaking without me :'( Are you crazy to flood my mailbox like that ? Anyway, IMO, putting FTs in CL is a really bad idea as I think that many people don't look at it when they are in a speaking with someone so EVEN if HIG would say that I would be totally against. The HIG doesn't state file transfer managers should be in the main window; it was just a choice to remove clutter. A lot of usability guidelines say you shouldn't open too much individual windows though. By the way, HIG as some really strange ideas about notification icons... They declare 'm as notification icons, instead of how it is used mostly in windows: as a solution to the taskbar being too small for all windows (which is a design flaw of the taskbar, so the taskbar should be changed instead of using the notification tray as a taskbar2) And I hate Gnome :p (no j/k : I dislike it (piuuh I almost threw a troll on the ML :d) ) :D Anyway, about putting it in the same window that the discussion, I think that's a good idea : that let us always see the FT state but... I think it takes its place in the window (imagine my CW with no DPs : I want to maximum for the discussion because that's the aim of this window) Putting FTs embedded in the output text area is for me silly as we loose it too easily and I agree with many of you when you say that's a dl manager hasn't its place in aMSN (Youness please stop with Opera : as soon as a soft is closed source, it is EVIL :p) Browser have a dl manager because a user (you for example) downloads various things but it's always bound to your interests or sth like that. With IM, the FT is more bound to a user (there is context : you receive/send this file because you speak about sth precise with your contact). I still wonder how we could melt such a list in the chat window without any repacking (repacking is always ugly and all the window flicker :s) But if we find how to put this list, I would be to put FT requests also in it : like that, you can easily accept a past FT and that put every FT related things in the same place. Many therefor it's also easier to put it on the right underneath the DP's of your contact(s) as it would take more lines) About the need for a manager to find files that were sent to you in the past: why not incoporate it in the chat history ? the transfer took place in a chat .. so if you want to find it again, you can search that chat by date/contact and if we have it possible to put (inside the chathistory) some interactive lines (an open file and open dir and remove file link, that is inactive if the file doesn't exist anymore) ... ideas ? Phil PS I will try to avoid looong mails like Youness ones. He would beat me too easily :d Youness Alaoui a écrit : that's the point of the brainstorming :) On Wed, May 30, 2007 at 09:53:38PM +0200, NoWhereMan wrote: Karel Demeyer wrote: Again, I'd like the question(s) to rise: Do we really need an FT manager? Isn't this a bit over-engineering ? Is it needed for an IM program where file transfers are a nice feature but not the main activity ? Do you think our users will transfer so many files at once they need a manager because they can't manage 'm themselves ? I just don't like progress bars floating around...that's all it's true that file manager does have progress dialogs, but this is a - erm - IM program, does really an IM program need a dialog progress bar? *cough* :D - This SF.net email is sponsored by DB2 Express Download DB2 Express C - the FREE version of DB2 express and take control of your XML. No limits. Just data. Click to get it now. http://sourceforge.net/powerbar/db2/ ___ Amsn-devel mailing list Amsn-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/amsn-devel - This SF.net email is sponsored by DB2 Express Download DB2 Express C - the FREE version of DB2 express and take control of your XML. No limits. Just data. Click to get it now. http://sourceforge.net/powerbar/db2/ ___ Amsn-devel mailing list Amsn-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/amsn-devel - This SF.net email is sponsored by DB2 Express Download DB2 Express C - the FREE version of DB2 express and take control of your XML. No limits. Just data. Click to get it now. http://sourceforge.net/powerbar/db2/
Re: [Amsn-devel] 0.98 TODO
Yeah, I know what you want, and I applaud it. but because some ppl here think we need a manager to find files further in history (the case youness described of having 20 files sent), I proposed to put this in the history. Karel. 2007/5/31, Philippe Valembois - Phil [EMAIL PROTECTED]: I didn't want to speak about long time histories but more about pending FTs... Those we display with the accept link : having it in the same list could be great IMO... Phil Karel Demeyer a écrit : 2007/5/31, Philippe Valembois - Phil [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Heey, so much speaking without me :'( Are you crazy to flood my mailbox like that ? Anyway, IMO, putting FTs in CL is a really bad idea as I think that many people don't look at it when they are in a speaking with someone so EVEN if HIG would say that I would be totally against. The HIG doesn't state file transfer managers should be in the main window; it was just a choice to remove clutter. A lot of usability guidelines say you shouldn't open too much individual windows though. By the way, HIG as some really strange ideas about notification icons... They declare 'm as notification icons, instead of how it is used mostly in windows: as a solution to the taskbar being too small for all windows (which is a design flaw of the taskbar, so the taskbar should be changed instead of using the notification tray as a taskbar2) And I hate Gnome :p (no j/k : I dislike it (piuuh I almost threw a troll on the ML :d) ) :D Anyway, about putting it in the same window that the discussion, I think that's a good idea : that let us always see the FT state but... I think it takes its place in the window (imagine my CW with no DPs : I want to maximum for the discussion because that's the aim of this window) Putting FTs embedded in the output text area is for me silly as we loose it too easily and I agree with many of you when you say that's a dl manager hasn't its place in aMSN (Youness please stop with Opera : as soon as a soft is closed source, it is EVIL :p) Browser have a dl manager because a user (you for example) downloads various things but it's always bound to your interests or sth like that. With IM, the FT is more bound to a user (there is context : you receive/send this file because you speak about sth precise with your contact). I still wonder how we could melt such a list in the chat window without any repacking (repacking is always ugly and all the window flicker :s) But if we find how to put this list, I would be to put FT requests also in it : like that, you can easily accept a past FT and that put every FT related things in the same place. Many therefor it's also easier to put it on the right underneath the DP's of your contact(s) as it would take more lines) About the need for a manager to find files that were sent to you in the past: why not incoporate it in the chat history ? the transfer took place in a chat .. so if you want to find it again, you can search that chat by date/contact and if we have it possible to put (inside the chathistory) some interactive lines (an open file and open dir and remove file link, that is inactive if the file doesn't exist anymore) ... ideas ? Phil PS I will try to avoid looong mails like Youness ones. He would beat me too easily :d Youness Alaoui a écrit : that's the point of the brainstorming :) On Wed, May 30, 2007 at 09:53:38PM +0200, NoWhereMan wrote: Karel Demeyer wrote: Again, I'd like the question(s) to rise: Do we really need an FT manager? Isn't this a bit over-engineering ? Is it needed for an IM program where file transfers are a nice feature but not the main activity ? Do you think our users will transfer so many files at once they need a manager because they can't manage 'm themselves ? I just don't like progress bars floating around...that's all it's true that file manager does have progress dialogs, but this is a - erm - IM program, does really an IM program need a dialog progress bar? *cough* :D - This SF.net email is sponsored by DB2 Express Download DB2 Express C - the FREE version of DB2 express and take control of your XML. No limits. Just data. Click to get it now. http://sourceforge.net/powerbar/db2/ ___ Amsn-devel mailing list Amsn-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/amsn-devel - This SF.net email is sponsored by DB2 Express Download DB2 Express C - the FREE version of DB2 express and take control of your XML. No limits. Just data. Click to get it now. http://sourceforge.net/powerbar/db2/ ___ Amsn-devel mailing list Amsn-devel@lists.sourceforge.net
Re: [Amsn-devel] 0.98 TODO
Youness Alaoui wrote: ok, so for your taste, you would get the FT manager the first time you get a file transfer, then you will click on it's 'settings' button and choose 'do not show when a file transfer is started', then you would only get the infobar, and no manager... makes sense ? instead of a settings button a(nother) checkbox (under current close on complete) with [ ] do not show this dialog anymore. (you can still re-enable it from preferences window) (or, as always, something along the lines) and dialog buttons may be: [ Hide ] [ Cancel ] Where [ Hide ] may change to [ Close ] when the transfer has finished and [ Cancel ] would be grayed... or something like that... :) HTH - This SF.net email is sponsored by DB2 Express Download DB2 Express C - the FREE version of DB2 express and take control of your XML. No limits. Just data. Click to get it now. http://sourceforge.net/powerbar/db2/ ___ Amsn-devel mailing list Amsn-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/amsn-devel
Re: [Amsn-devel] 0.98 TODO
that would be s non intuitive.. talking about usability... :p I think it would be confusing if it was the *only* way. I wouldn't mind it being there, on the contrary, it's a good idea to have that in the history log, but I think that if a user wants to find oldFTs he shouldn't have to open the file history and search for it.. especially if you have 1000s of lines of text per hour and many FTs hidden in the middle, it's not really intuitive/easy to find the files you're looking for. And as I said, maybe we don't, but maybe most of our users do have massive FTs using their chat program... (some people don't even know what http or ftp means...) KKRT On Thu, May 31, 2007 at 06:38:50PM +0200, Karel Demeyer wrote: Yeah, I know what you want, and I applaud it. but because some ppl here think we need a manager to find files further in history (the case youness described of having 20 files sent), I proposed to put this in the history. Karel. 2007/5/31, Philippe Valembois - Phil [EMAIL PROTECTED]: I didn't want to speak about long time histories but more about pending FTs... Those we display with the accept link : having it in the same list could be great IMO... Phil Karel Demeyer a écrit : 2007/5/31, Philippe Valembois - Phil [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Heey, so much speaking without me :'( Are you crazy to flood my mailbox like that ? Anyway, IMO, putting FTs in CL is a really bad idea as I think that many people don't look at it when they are in a speaking with someone so EVEN if HIG would say that I would be totally against. The HIG doesn't state file transfer managers should be in the main window; it was just a choice to remove clutter. A lot of usability guidelines say you shouldn't open too much individual windows though. By the way, HIG as some really strange ideas about notification icons... They declare 'm as notification icons, instead of how it is used mostly in windows: as a solution to the taskbar being too small for all windows (which is a design flaw of the taskbar, so the taskbar should be changed instead of using the notification tray as a taskbar2) And I hate Gnome :p (no j/k : I dislike it (piuuh I almost threw a troll on the ML :d) ) :D Anyway, about putting it in the same window that the discussion, I think that's a good idea : that let us always see the FT state but... I think it takes its place in the window (imagine my CW with no DPs : I want to maximum for the discussion because that's the aim of this window) Putting FTs embedded in the output text area is for me silly as we loose it too easily and I agree with many of you when you say that's a dl manager hasn't its place in aMSN (Youness please stop with Opera : as soon as a soft is closed source, it is EVIL :p) Browser have a dl manager because a user (you for example) downloads various things but it's always bound to your interests or sth like that. With IM, the FT is more bound to a user (there is context : you receive/send this file because you speak about sth precise with your contact). I still wonder how we could melt such a list in the chat window without any repacking (repacking is always ugly and all the window flicker :s) But if we find how to put this list, I would be to put FT requests also in it : like that, you can easily accept a past FT and that put every FT related things in the same place. Many therefor it's also easier to put it on the right underneath the DP's of your contact(s) as it would take more lines) About the need for a manager to find files that were sent to you in the past: why not incoporate it in the chat history ? the transfer took place in a chat .. so if you want to find it again, you can search that chat by date/contact and if we have it possible to put (inside the chathistory) some interactive lines (an open file and open dir and remove file link, that is inactive if the file doesn't exist anymore) ... ideas ? Phil PS I will try to avoid looong mails like Youness ones. He would beat me too easily :d Youness Alaoui a écrit : that's the point of the brainstorming :) On Wed, May 30, 2007 at 09:53:38PM +0200, NoWhereMan wrote: Karel Demeyer wrote: Again, I'd like the question(s) to rise: Do we really need an FT manager? Isn't this a bit over-engineering ? Is it needed for an IM program where file transfers are a nice feature but not the main activity ? Do you think our users will transfer so many files at once they need a manager because they can't manage 'm themselves ? I just don't like progress bars floating around...that's all it's true that file manager does have progress dialogs, but this is a - erm - IM program, does really an IM program need a dialog progress bar? *cough* :D
Re: [Amsn-devel] 0.98 TODO
I didn't understand what you meant :p but the 'do not show this dialog anymore', I don't like.. I prefer the setting of show always, show background, never... and the hide/cancel.. you wouldn't 'hide' a download, in a download manager, you remove a download once finished, if you remove it while transfering it's a cancel. The buttons should apply to the downloads, if you want to hide/close the download manager, you would simply close its tab like any other chat window... KKRT On Thu, May 31, 2007 at 08:11:52PM +0200, NoWhereMan wrote: Youness Alaoui wrote: ok, so for your taste, you would get the FT manager the first time you get a file transfer, then you will click on it's 'settings' button and choose 'do not show when a file transfer is started', then you would only get the infobar, and no manager... makes sense ? instead of a settings button a(nother) checkbox (under current close on complete) with [ ] do not show this dialog anymore. (you can still re-enable it from preferences window) (or, as always, something along the lines) and dialog buttons may be: [ Hide ] [ Cancel ] Where [ Hide ] may change to [ Close ] when the transfer has finished and [ Cancel ] would be grayed... or something like that... :) HTH - This SF.net email is sponsored by DB2 Express Download DB2 Express C - the FREE version of DB2 express and take control of your XML. No limits. Just data. Click to get it now. http://sourceforge.net/powerbar/db2/ ___ Amsn-devel mailing list Amsn-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/amsn-devel - This SF.net email is sponsored by DB2 Express Download DB2 Express C - the FREE version of DB2 express and take control of your XML. No limits. Just data. Click to get it now. http://sourceforge.net/powerbar/db2/ ___ Amsn-devel mailing list Amsn-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/amsn-devel
Re: [Amsn-devel] baazen!
I think this should become an advanced option and disabled by default.. no ? On Thu, May 31, 2007 at 06:21:49PM +0200, Karel Demeyer wrote: I meant dock instead of tray ... but as it's one icon for the whole app I think it's best to not change the dock icon for the active chat DP as it wouldn't make it better (no different items to extinguish) and make it worse to find amsn (as the icon wouldn't be always the same). 2007/5/31, Tom Hennigan [EMAIL PROTECTED]: There isn't a tray on OS X. We've got a dock with open applications or applications to launch, but it's not like the windows one. Currently right clicking on the icon gives a contextual menu with all open windows (clicking on the item raises the window), but not the open tabs. - Tom On 31 May 2007, at 16:57, Karel Demeyer wrote: OK, this is a test if you like it. it seems to make it easier to find chatwindows you recently used in a window manager's windows list. (as in it was covered byu a window and you can more quickly find the image related to the person (especially if he or she doesn't change those images too often) as you had it on your screen just before it was covered). Does this icon appear in the tray on mac too ? I was wondering about discussing it before applying but then thought it's quite trivial so I could just do it so you see it and it can easily be removed again if it's not liked. Karel. PS: I'm aware of the fact it possibly doesn't work for windows 2007/5/31, Philippe Valembois - Phil [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Just backported in branch... I wondor for Scapor modification... Author: scapor Project:amsn Revision: 8782 Changed Lines: 61 tryout: winicon is changed to DP of user for chatwindows to easily find chats in windowmanager listings.OK or not ? Phil PS And this shitty amsn-commits ML that doesn't work with me :@ Youness Alaoui a écrit : well done on your first commit! by the way, you should also subscribe to the amsn-commits mailing list, so you can see all the commits. Keep it coming ;) KKRT On Thu, May 31, 2007 at 12:05:49AM +0200, Mirko Hansen wrote: Wow thanks a lot everybody for this nice welcome. It's a real pleasure to me. I think I should introduce myself roughly. Well, I think you all already know, but my name is Mirko. ;) I'm 24 years old, living in Germany, and actually I'm studying computer science at university. It's sometimes really time-consuming, especially if we have those really nice homeworks like the last two days, but I hope I'll be of use for the team, anyway I'll give my best to. As Youness said, I'm very new to TCL, I never had to deal with it before, so I would be really grateful if you advise me of my possibly made mistakes, to be able to learn from them. :) I think you'll hear from me soon. To a great teamwork! :) Bye, Mirko 2007/5/30, Youness Alaoui [EMAIL PROTECTED]: yeah, sounds intriguing right ? well, baaazen is the username of Mirko. And this mail is to announce that he's been added as part of the team. So everyone, please welcome Mirko into the team, and please be helpful. Mirko, if you need anything, don't hesitate to ask. I think you've been following the ML for a little while now so you should know how we work. in short ; 1 - a bugfix, you can commit 2 - a change to the UI should be discussed 3 - a change of behavior should be discussed 4 - a new feature should be discussed. Mirko is still studying and won't have much time (like everyone else) but he promised to do his best to try and help. He doesn't know much Tcl but from the patches he sent, it shows that he's very skilled and I'm sure he'll learn it all pretty soon. KaKaRoTo -- --- This SF.net email is sponsored by DB2 Express Download DB2 Express C - the FREE version of DB2 express and take control of your XML. No limits. Just data. Click to get it now. http://sourceforge.net/powerbar/db2/ ___ Amsn-devel mailing list Amsn-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/amsn-devel --- -- This SF.net email is sponsored by DB2 Express Download DB2 Express C - the FREE version of DB2 express and take control of your XML. No limits. Just data. Click to get it now. http://sourceforge.net/powerbar/db2/ ___ Amsn-devel mailing list Amsn-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/amsn-devel - This SF.net email is
Re: [Amsn-devel] 0.98 TODO
I know that I kind of flooded the list with all the mails (it's still better than one huge mail, right ?) But anyone can comment on the three reasons I gave below as to whether or not a DM should be created ? On Thu, May 31, 2007 at 12:31:16AM -0400, Youness Alaoui wrote: Yes, but I still think it would be an advantage for many reasons : 1 - everyone has it, so if we don't, it's a -1 for us (I know it's not a real/good reason but from the end-user perspective, it is) 2 - if we save the FT list in the config, it would be useful to open the FT manager and see which file, which person sent you a month ago.. easier than ls -lt on amsn_received, and having to use a plugin to sort our received folder... 3 - if you download many files, it IS important.. I don't use voice clips, you don't, I don't use webcam, vivia does, we don't use a lot of FTs but other users do. I mean, even ME, I do have sometimes (from time to time) 20 FTs or more in an hour from one or two people.. I hope it's convincing.. KaKaRoTo On Wed, May 30, 2007 at 10:00:00PM +0300, Vivia Nikolaidou wrote: On Wed, 30 May 2007, Karel Demeyer wrote: Again, I'd like the question(s) to rise: Do we really need an FT manager? Isn't this a bit over-engineering ? Is it needed for an IM program where file transfers are a nice feature but not the main activity ? Do you think our users will transfer so many files at once they need a manager because they can't manage 'm themselves ? +1 from here. It would just clutter imho. :) When transferring a file with an IM program, you usually associate it with the sender/receiver and not with other downloads, so a download manager would be yet another desktop clutter... OK, better than the many transfer windows we have now, but still a nuisance. I think that the status bar is quite appropriate for FT info. Oh, and +1 from Alvaro - we just discussed it. :) Vivia Karel. 2007/5/30, NoWhereMan [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Harry Vennik wrote: Btw. keep in mind that closing a CW should not stop any FT. So, there should be another way of opening the FT window than only through clicking an FT in a CW. Also when a conversation with the same contact is openend again, while the FT is still going on, that FT should appear in the CW again!!! yeeech! that sounds a bit complex. I would just go with the wlm-like message if you leave the conversation now all transfers will be closed or something along the lines. It would be easier for you, I think... - This SF.net email is sponsored by DB2 Express Download DB2 Express C - the FREE version of DB2 express and take control of your XML. No limits. Just data. Click to get it now. http://sourceforge.net/powerbar/db2/ ___ Amsn-devel mailing list Amsn-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/amsn-devel - This SF.net email is sponsored by DB2 Express Download DB2 Express C - the FREE version of DB2 express and take control of your XML. No limits. Just data. Click to get it now. http://sourceforge.net/powerbar/db2/ ___ Amsn-devel mailing list Amsn-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/amsn-devel --- Where is the life that we have lost in living? Where is the wisdom that we have lost in knowledge? Where is the knowledge that we have lost in information? OEO; - This SF.net email is sponsored by DB2 Express Download DB2 Express C - the FREE version of DB2 express and take control of your XML. No limits. Just data. Click to get it now. http://sourceforge.net/powerbar/db2/ ___ Amsn-devel mailing list Amsn-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/amsn-devel - This SF.net email is sponsored by DB2 Express Download DB2 Express C - the FREE version of DB2 express and take control of your XML. No limits. Just data. Click to get it now. http://sourceforge.net/powerbar/db2/ ___ Amsn-devel mailing list Amsn-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/amsn-devel - This SF.net email is sponsored by DB2 Express Download DB2 Express C - the FREE version of DB2 express and take control of your XML. No limits. Just data. Click to get it now. http://sourceforge.net/powerbar/db2/
Re: [Amsn-devel] baazen!
Philosophy ;-) On 31 May 2007, at 22:48, Karel Demeyer wrote: In my filosophy (spelled wrong ?) it's better to choose sane defaults then having yet another advanced option. If you think it's bad or you think more ppl will find this bad, I'll make it as a plugin for myself and remove it from the core. Karel. 2007/5/31, Youness Alaoui [EMAIL PROTECTED]: I think this should become an advanced option and disabled by default.. no ? On Thu, May 31, 2007 at 06:21:49PM +0200, Karel Demeyer wrote: I meant dock instead of tray ... but as it's one icon for the whole app I think it's best to not change the dock icon for the active chat DP as it wouldn't make it better (no different items to extinguish) and make it worse to find amsn (as the icon wouldn't be always the same). 2007/5/31, Tom Hennigan [EMAIL PROTECTED]: There isn't a tray on OS X. We've got a dock with open applications or applications to launch, but it's not like the windows one. Currently right clicking on the icon gives a contextual menu with all open windows (clicking on the item raises the window), but not the open tabs. - Tom On 31 May 2007, at 16:57, Karel Demeyer wrote: OK, this is a test if you like it. it seems to make it easier to find chatwindows you recently used in a window manager's windows list. (as in it was covered byu a window and you can more quickly find the image related to the person (especially if he or she doesn't change those images too often) as you had it on your screen just before it was covered). Does this icon appear in the tray on mac too ? I was wondering about discussing it before applying but then thought it's quite trivial so I could just do it so you see it and it can easily be removed again if it's not liked. Karel. PS: I'm aware of the fact it possibly doesn't work for windows 2007/5/31, Philippe Valembois - Phil [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Just backported in branch... I wondor for Scapor modification... Author: scapor Project:amsn Revision: 8782 Changed Lines: 61 tryout: winicon is changed to DP of user for chatwindows to easily find chats in windowmanager listings.OK or not ? Phil PS And this shitty amsn-commits ML that doesn't work with me :@ Youness Alaoui a écrit : well done on your first commit! by the way, you should also subscribe to the amsn-commits mailing list, so you can see all the commits. Keep it coming ;) KKRT On Thu, May 31, 2007 at 12:05:49AM +0200, Mirko Hansen wrote: Wow thanks a lot everybody for this nice welcome. It's a real pleasure to me. I think I should introduce myself roughly. Well, I think you all already know, but my name is Mirko. ;) I'm 24 years old, living in Germany, and actually I'm studying computer science at university. It's sometimes really time-consuming, especially if we have those really nice homeworks like the last two days, but I hope I'll be of use for the team, anyway I'll give my best to. As Youness said, I'm very new to TCL, I never had to deal with it before, so I would be really grateful if you advise me of my possibly made mistakes, to be able to learn from them. :) I think you'll hear from me soon. To a great teamwork! :) Bye, Mirko 2007/5/30, Youness Alaoui [EMAIL PROTECTED]: yeah, sounds intriguing right ? well, baaazen is the username of Mirko. And this mail is to announce that he's been added as part of the team. So everyone, please welcome Mirko into the team, and please be helpful. Mirko, if you need anything, don't hesitate to ask. I think you've been following the ML for a little while now so you should know how we work. in short ; 1 - a bugfix, you can commit 2 - a change to the UI should be discussed 3 - a change of behavior should be discussed 4 - a new feature should be discussed. Mirko is still studying and won't have much time (like everyone else) but he promised to do his best to try and help. He doesn't know much Tcl but from the patches he sent, it shows that he's very skilled and I'm sure he'll learn it all pretty soon. KaKaRoTo -- --- This SF.net email is sponsored by DB2 Express Download DB2 Express C - the FREE version of DB2 express and take control of your XML. No limits. Just data. Click to get it now. http://sourceforge.net/powerbar/db2/ ___ Amsn-devel mailing list Amsn-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/amsn-devel --- -- This SF.net email is sponsored by DB2 Express Download DB2 Express C - the FREE version of DB2 express and take control of your XML. No limits. Just data. Click to get it now. http://sourceforge.net/powerbar/db2/ ___ Amsn-devel mailing list
Re: [Amsn-devel] baazen!
idem dito 2007/5/31, Youness Alaoui [EMAIL PROTECTED]: I think this should become an advanced option and disabled by default.. no ? On Thu, May 31, 2007 at 06:21:49PM +0200, Karel Demeyer wrote: I meant dock instead of tray ... but as it's one icon for the whole app I think it's best to not change the dock icon for the active chat DP as it wouldn't make it better (no different items to extinguish) and make it worse to find amsn (as the icon wouldn't be always the same). 2007/5/31, Tom Hennigan [EMAIL PROTECTED]: There isn't a tray on OS X. We've got a dock with open applications or applications to launch, but it's not like the windows one. Currently right clicking on the icon gives a contextual menu with all open windows (clicking on the item raises the window), but not the open tabs. - Tom On 31 May 2007, at 16:57, Karel Demeyer wrote: OK, this is a test if you like it. it seems to make it easier to find chatwindows you recently used in a window manager's windows list. (as in it was covered byu a window and you can more quickly find the image related to the person (especially if he or she doesn't change those images too often) as you had it on your screen just before it was covered). Does this icon appear in the tray on mac too ? I was wondering about discussing it before applying but then thought it's quite trivial so I could just do it so you see it and it can easily be removed again if it's not liked. Karel. PS: I'm aware of the fact it possibly doesn't work for windows 2007/5/31, Philippe Valembois - Phil [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Just backported in branch... I wondor for Scapor modification... Author: scapor Project:amsn Revision: 8782 Changed Lines: 61 tryout: winicon is changed to DP of user for chatwindows to easily find chats in windowmanager listings.OK or not ? Phil PS And this shitty amsn-commits ML that doesn't work with me :@ Youness Alaoui a écrit : well done on your first commit! by the way, you should also subscribe to the amsn-commits mailing list, so you can see all the commits. Keep it coming ;) KKRT On Thu, May 31, 2007 at 12:05:49AM +0200, Mirko Hansen wrote: Wow thanks a lot everybody for this nice welcome. It's a real pleasure to me. I think I should introduce myself roughly. Well, I think you all already know, but my name is Mirko. ;) I'm 24 years old, living in Germany, and actually I'm studying computer science at university. It's sometimes really time-consuming, especially if we have those really nice homeworks like the last two days, but I hope I'll be of use for the team, anyway I'll give my best to. As Youness said, I'm very new to TCL, I never had to deal with it before, so I would be really grateful if you advise me of my possibly made mistakes, to be able to learn from them. :) I think you'll hear from me soon. To a great teamwork! :) Bye, Mirko 2007/5/30, Youness Alaoui [EMAIL PROTECTED]: yeah, sounds intriguing right ? well, baaazen is the username of Mirko. And this mail is to announce that he's been added as part of the team. So everyone, please welcome Mirko into the team, and please be helpful. Mirko, if you need anything, don't hesitate to ask. I think you've been following the ML for a little while now so you should know how we work. in short ; 1 - a bugfix, you can commit 2 - a change to the UI should be discussed 3 - a change of behavior should be discussed 4 - a new feature should be discussed. Mirko is still studying and won't have much time (like everyone else) but he promised to do his best to try and help. He doesn't know much Tcl but from the patches he sent, it shows that he's very skilled and I'm sure he'll learn it all pretty soon. KaKaRoTo -- --- This SF.net email is sponsored by DB2 Express Download DB2 Express C - the FREE version of DB2 express and take control of your XML. No limits. Just data. Click to get it now. http://sourceforge.net/powerbar/db2/ ___ Amsn-devel mailing list Amsn-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/amsn-devel --- -- This SF.net email is sponsored by DB2 Express Download DB2 Express C - the FREE version of DB2 express and take control of your XML. No limits. Just data. Click to get it now. http://sourceforge.net/powerbar/db2/ ___ Amsn-devel mailing list
Re: [Amsn-devel] baazen!
Φιλοσοφία is the original (tm) spelling, everything else is just imitations :p So, to be honest, filosophy or even filosofy is closer to the original spelling, but oh well :D On 5/31/07, Tom Hennigan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Philosophy ;-) On 31 May 2007, at 22:48, Karel Demeyer wrote: In my filosophy (spelled wrong ?) it's better to choose sane defaults then having yet another advanced option. If you think it's bad or you think more ppl will find this bad, I'll make it as a plugin for myself and remove it from the core. Karel. 2007/5/31, Youness Alaoui [EMAIL PROTECTED]: I think this should become an advanced option and disabled by default.. no ? On Thu, May 31, 2007 at 06:21:49PM +0200, Karel Demeyer wrote: I meant dock instead of tray ... but as it's one icon for the whole app I think it's best to not change the dock icon for the active chat DP as it wouldn't make it better (no different items to extinguish) and make it worse to find amsn (as the icon wouldn't be always the same). 2007/5/31, Tom Hennigan [EMAIL PROTECTED]: There isn't a tray on OS X. We've got a dock with open applications or applications to launch, but it's not like the windows one. Currently right clicking on the icon gives a contextual menu with all open windows (clicking on the item raises the window), but not the open tabs. - Tom On 31 May 2007, at 16:57, Karel Demeyer wrote: OK, this is a test if you like it. it seems to make it easier to find chatwindows you recently used in a window manager's windows list. (as in it was covered byu a window and you can more quickly find the image related to the person (especially if he or she doesn't change those images too often) as you had it on your screen just before it was covered). Does this icon appear in the tray on mac too ? I was wondering about discussing it before applying but then thought it's quite trivial so I could just do it so you see it and it can easily be removed again if it's not liked. Karel. PS: I'm aware of the fact it possibly doesn't work for windows 2007/5/31, Philippe Valembois - Phil [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Just backported in branch... I wondor for Scapor modification... Author: scapor Project:amsn Revision: 8782 Changed Lines: 61 tryout: winicon is changed to DP of user for chatwindows to easily find chats in windowmanager listings.OK or not ? Phil PS And this shitty amsn-commits ML that doesn't work with me :@ Youness Alaoui a écrit : well done on your first commit! by the way, you should also subscribe to the amsn-commits mailing list, so you can see all the commits. Keep it coming ;) KKRT On Thu, May 31, 2007 at 12:05:49AM +0200, Mirko Hansen wrote: Wow thanks a lot everybody for this nice welcome. It's a real pleasure to me. I think I should introduce myself roughly. Well, I think you all already know, but my name is Mirko. ;) I'm 24 years old, living in Germany, and actually I'm studying computer science at university. It's sometimes really time-consuming, especially if we have those really nice homeworks like the last two days, but I hope I'll be of use for the team, anyway I'll give my best to. As Youness said, I'm very new to TCL, I never had to deal with it before, so I would be really grateful if you advise me of my possibly made mistakes, to be able to learn from them. :) I think you'll hear from me soon. To a great teamwork! :) Bye, Mirko 2007/5/30, Youness Alaoui [EMAIL PROTECTED]: yeah, sounds intriguing right ? well, baaazen is the username of Mirko. And this mail is to announce that he's been added as part of the team. So everyone, please welcome Mirko into the team, and please be helpful. Mirko, if you need anything, don't hesitate to ask. I think you've been following the ML for a little while now so you should know how we work. in short ; 1 - a bugfix, you can commit 2 - a change to the UI should be discussed 3 - a change of behavior should be discussed 4 - a new feature should be discussed. Mirko is still studying and won't have much time (like everyone else) but he promised to do his best to try and help. He doesn't know much Tcl but from the patches he sent, it shows that he's very skilled and I'm sure he'll learn it all pretty soon. KaKaRoTo -- --- This SF.net email is sponsored by DB2 Express Download DB2 Express C - the FREE version of DB2 express and take control of your XML. No limits. Just data. Click to get it now. http://sourceforge.net/powerbar/db2/ ___ Amsn-devel mailing list Amsn-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/amsn-devel
Re: [Amsn-devel] baazen!
wait, something's wrong, in the previous mail, you said the opposite of what you just said here.. lol anyways, about sane defaults, I'd say remove it for multiple reasons : 1 - icon would be too small to recognize + quality loss could make it just seem like an abstract painting :p 2 - what if it's tabbed browsing? the purpose is lost 3 - not working on windows and mac, so linux only setting.. worth it ? 4 - depends on tcl/tk version and WM... 5 - might confuse many people like why the icon keeps changing KKRT On Thu, May 31, 2007 at 11:48:22PM +0200, Karel Demeyer wrote: idem dito 2007/5/31, Youness Alaoui [EMAIL PROTECTED]: I think this should become an advanced option and disabled by default.. no ? On Thu, May 31, 2007 at 06:21:49PM +0200, Karel Demeyer wrote: I meant dock instead of tray ... but as it's one icon for the whole app I think it's best to not change the dock icon for the active chat DP as it wouldn't make it better (no different items to extinguish) and make it worse to find amsn (as the icon wouldn't be always the same). 2007/5/31, Tom Hennigan [EMAIL PROTECTED]: There isn't a tray on OS X. We've got a dock with open applications or applications to launch, but it's not like the windows one. Currently right clicking on the icon gives a contextual menu with all open windows (clicking on the item raises the window), but not the open tabs. - Tom On 31 May 2007, at 16:57, Karel Demeyer wrote: OK, this is a test if you like it. it seems to make it easier to find chatwindows you recently used in a window manager's windows list. (as in it was covered byu a window and you can more quickly find the image related to the person (especially if he or she doesn't change those images too often) as you had it on your screen just before it was covered). Does this icon appear in the tray on mac too ? I was wondering about discussing it before applying but then thought it's quite trivial so I could just do it so you see it and it can easily be removed again if it's not liked. Karel. PS: I'm aware of the fact it possibly doesn't work for windows 2007/5/31, Philippe Valembois - Phil [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Just backported in branch... I wondor for Scapor modification... Author: scapor Project:amsn Revision: 8782 Changed Lines: 61 tryout: winicon is changed to DP of user for chatwindows to easily find chats in windowmanager listings.OK or not ? Phil PS And this shitty amsn-commits ML that doesn't work with me :@ Youness Alaoui a écrit : well done on your first commit! by the way, you should also subscribe to the amsn-commits mailing list, so you can see all the commits. Keep it coming ;) KKRT On Thu, May 31, 2007 at 12:05:49AM +0200, Mirko Hansen wrote: Wow thanks a lot everybody for this nice welcome. It's a real pleasure to me. I think I should introduce myself roughly. Well, I think you all already know, but my name is Mirko. ;) I'm 24 years old, living in Germany, and actually I'm studying computer science at university. It's sometimes really time-consuming, especially if we have those really nice homeworks like the last two days, but I hope I'll be of use for the team, anyway I'll give my best to. As Youness said, I'm very new to TCL, I never had to deal with it before, so I would be really grateful if you advise me of my possibly made mistakes, to be able to learn from them. :) I think you'll hear from me soon. To a great teamwork! :) Bye, Mirko 2007/5/30, Youness Alaoui [EMAIL PROTECTED]: yeah, sounds intriguing right ? well, baaazen is the username of Mirko. And this mail is to announce that he's been added as part of the team. So everyone, please welcome Mirko into the team, and please be helpful. Mirko, if you need anything, don't hesitate to ask. I think you've been following the ML for a little while now so you should know how we work. in short ; 1 - a bugfix, you can commit 2 - a change to the UI should be discussed 3 - a change of behavior should be discussed 4 - a new feature should be discussed. Mirko is still studying and won't have much time (like everyone else) but he promised to do his best to try and help. He doesn't know much Tcl but from the patches he sent, it shows that he's very skilled and I'm sure he'll learn it all pretty soon. KaKaRoTo -- --- This SF.net email is sponsored by DB2 Express Download DB2 Express C - the FREE version of DB2 express and take
Re: [Amsn-devel] baazen!
So, wouldn't it make a wonderful plugin? On 6/1/07, Youness Alaoui [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: wait, something's wrong, in the previous mail, you said the opposite of what you just said here.. lol anyways, about sane defaults, I'd say remove it for multiple reasons : 1 - icon would be too small to recognize + quality loss could make it just seem like an abstract painting :p 2 - what if it's tabbed browsing? the purpose is lost 3 - not working on windows and mac, so linux only setting.. worth it ? 4 - depends on tcl/tk version and WM... 5 - might confuse many people like why the icon keeps changing KKRT On Thu, May 31, 2007 at 11:48:22PM +0200, Karel Demeyer wrote: idem dito 2007/5/31, Youness Alaoui [EMAIL PROTECTED]: I think this should become an advanced option and disabled by default.. no ? On Thu, May 31, 2007 at 06:21:49PM +0200, Karel Demeyer wrote: I meant dock instead of tray ... but as it's one icon for the whole app I think it's best to not change the dock icon for the active chat DP as it wouldn't make it better (no different items to extinguish) and make it worse to find amsn (as the icon wouldn't be always the same). 2007/5/31, Tom Hennigan [EMAIL PROTECTED]: There isn't a tray on OS X. We've got a dock with open applications or applications to launch, but it's not like the windows one. Currently right clicking on the icon gives a contextual menu with all open windows (clicking on the item raises the window), but not the open tabs. - Tom On 31 May 2007, at 16:57, Karel Demeyer wrote: OK, this is a test if you like it. it seems to make it easier to find chatwindows you recently used in a window manager's windows list. (as in it was covered byu a window and you can more quickly find the image related to the person (especially if he or she doesn't change those images too often) as you had it on your screen just before it was covered). Does this icon appear in the tray on mac too ? I was wondering about discussing it before applying but then thought it's quite trivial so I could just do it so you see it and it can easily be removed again if it's not liked. Karel. PS: I'm aware of the fact it possibly doesn't work for windows 2007/5/31, Philippe Valembois - Phil [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Just backported in branch... I wondor for Scapor modification... Author: scapor Project:amsn Revision: 8782 Changed Lines: 61 tryout: winicon is changed to DP of user for chatwindows to easily find chats in windowmanager listings.OK or not ? Phil PS And this shitty amsn-commits ML that doesn't work with me :@ Youness Alaoui a écrit : well done on your first commit! by the way, you should also subscribe to the amsn-commits mailing list, so you can see all the commits. Keep it coming ;) KKRT On Thu, May 31, 2007 at 12:05:49AM +0200, Mirko Hansen wrote: Wow thanks a lot everybody for this nice welcome. It's a real pleasure to me. I think I should introduce myself roughly. Well, I think you all already know, but my name is Mirko. ;) I'm 24 years old, living in Germany, and actually I'm studying computer science at university. It's sometimes really time-consuming, especially if we have those really nice homeworks like the last two days, but I hope I'll be of use for the team, anyway I'll give my best to. As Youness said, I'm very new to TCL, I never had to deal with it before, so I would be really grateful if you advise me of my possibly made mistakes, to be able to learn from them. :) I think you'll hear from me soon. To a great teamwork! :) Bye, Mirko 2007/5/30, Youness Alaoui [EMAIL PROTECTED]: yeah, sounds intriguing right ? well, baaazen is the username of Mirko. And this mail is to announce that he's been added as part of the team. So everyone, please welcome Mirko into the team, and please be helpful. Mirko, if you need anything, don't hesitate to ask. I think you've been following the ML for a little while now so you should know how we work. in short ; 1 - a bugfix, you can commit 2 - a change to the UI should be discussed 3 - a change of behavior should be discussed 4 - a new feature should be discussed. Mirko is still studying and won't have much time (like everyone else) but he promised to do his best to try and help. He doesn't know much Tcl but from the patches he sent, it shows that he's very skilled and I'm sure he'll learn it all pretty soon.
Re: [Amsn-devel] 0.98 TODO
I don't remember who mentioned it, but it would be nice to have one line in the CW showing FT progress (maybe make the filename clickable so clicking it would open the file?), and have a way to click it and open the FT manager in case a user is downloading many files at once... However, the information we show is: filename, user, progress, open file, and open directory. The user is the CW user, filename and progress are shown, clicking the filename would open the file, and I think open directory is not used that much so it can be accessible with right-click. So, I still wonder whether it's worth implementing a FT manager or too few people will need it... On Thu, 31 May 2007, Youness Alaoui wrote: I didn't understand what you meant :p but the 'do not show this dialog anymore', I don't like.. I prefer the setting of show always, show background, never... and the hide/cancel.. you wouldn't 'hide' a download, in a download manager, you remove a download once finished, if you remove it while transfering it's a cancel. The buttons should apply to the downloads, if you want to hide/close the download manager, you would simply close its tab like any other chat window... KKRT On Thu, May 31, 2007 at 08:11:52PM +0200, NoWhereMan wrote: Youness Alaoui wrote: ok, so for your taste, you would get the FT manager the first time you get a file transfer, then you will click on it's 'settings' button and choose 'do not show when a file transfer is started', then you would only get the infobar, and no manager... makes sense ? instead of a settings button a(nother) checkbox (under current close on complete) with [ ] do not show this dialog anymore. (you can still re-enable it from preferences window) (or, as always, something along the lines) and dialog buttons may be: [ Hide ] [ Cancel ] Where [ Hide ] may change to [ Close ] when the transfer has finished and [ Cancel ] would be grayed... or something like that... :) HTH - This SF.net email is sponsored by DB2 Express Download DB2 Express C - the FREE version of DB2 express and take control of your XML. No limits. Just data. Click to get it now. http://sourceforge.net/powerbar/db2/ ___ Amsn-devel mailing list Amsn-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/amsn-devel - This SF.net email is sponsored by DB2 Express Download DB2 Express C - the FREE version of DB2 express and take control of your XML. No limits. Just data. Click to get it now. http://sourceforge.net/powerbar/db2/ ___ Amsn-devel mailing list Amsn-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/amsn-devel --- Where is the life that we have lost in living? Where is the wisdom that we have lost in knowledge? Where is the knowledge that we have lost in information? OEO; - This SF.net email is sponsored by DB2 Express Download DB2 Express C - the FREE version of DB2 express and take control of your XML. No limits. Just data. Click to get it now. http://sourceforge.net/powerbar/db2/ ___ Amsn-devel mailing list Amsn-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/amsn-devel
Re: [Amsn-devel] 0.98 TODO
Personally I'm all for another window for fts. I think this is the best way because: - It's intuitive for new users. - It's consistent with other applications. Having it in the chat window as well would be a nice convenience, but I think (personally) it would be better to have it all in a window of it's own. Also things like updates, the tls download, or if in the future we automate skins/plugins installation, we can have all the info about the downloads in there. :-) On 31 May 2007, at 22:00, Vivia Nikolaidou wrote: I don't remember who mentioned it, but it would be nice to have one line in the CW showing FT progress (maybe make the filename clickable so clicking it would open the file?), and have a way to click it and open the FT manager in case a user is downloading many files at once... However, the information we show is: filename, user, progress, open file, and open directory. The user is the CW user, filename and progress are shown, clicking the filename would open the file, and I think open directory is not used that much so it can be accessible with right-click. So, I still wonder whether it's worth implementing a FT manager or too few people will need it... On Thu, 31 May 2007, Youness Alaoui wrote: I didn't understand what you meant :p but the 'do not show this dialog anymore', I don't like.. I prefer the setting of show always, show background, never... and the hide/cancel.. you wouldn't 'hide' a download, in a download manager, you remove a download once finished, if you remove it while transfering it's a cancel. The buttons should apply to the downloads, if you want to hide/close the download manager, you would simply close its tab like any other chat window... KKRT On Thu, May 31, 2007 at 08:11:52PM +0200, NoWhereMan wrote: Youness Alaoui wrote: ok, so for your taste, you would get the FT manager the first time you get a file transfer, then you will click on it's 'settings' button and choose 'do not show when a file transfer is started', then you would only get the infobar, and no manager... makes sense ? instead of a settings button a(nother) checkbox (under current close on complete) with [ ] do not show this dialog anymore. (you can still re-enable it from preferences window) (or, as always, something along the lines) and dialog buttons may be: [ Hide ] [ Cancel ] Where [ Hide ] may change to [ Close ] when the transfer has finished and [ Cancel ] would be grayed... or something like that... :) HTH - This SF.net email is sponsored by DB2 Express Download DB2 Express C - the FREE version of DB2 express and take control of your XML. No limits. Just data. Click to get it now. http://sourceforge.net/powerbar/db2/ ___ Amsn-devel mailing list Amsn-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/amsn-devel - This SF.net email is sponsored by DB2 Express Download DB2 Express C - the FREE version of DB2 express and take control of your XML. No limits. Just data. Click to get it now. http://sourceforge.net/powerbar/db2/ ___ Amsn-devel mailing list Amsn-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/amsn-devel --- Where is the life that we have lost in living? Where is the wisdom that we have lost in knowledge? Where is the knowledge that we have lost in information? OEO; -- --- This SF.net email is sponsored by DB2 Express Download DB2 Express C - the FREE version of DB2 express and take control of your XML. No limits. Just data. Click to get it now. http://sourceforge.net/powerbar/db2/ ___ Amsn-devel mailing list Amsn-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/amsn-devel - This SF.net email is sponsored by DB2 Express Download DB2 Express C - the FREE version of DB2 express and take control of your XML. No limits. Just data. Click to get it now. http://sourceforge.net/powerbar/db2/ ___ Amsn-devel mailing list Amsn-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/amsn-devel
Re: [Amsn-devel] 0.98 TODO
well.. that's exactly what we are talking about no? :| I mean, you just listed what I suggested. I can't see anything different, that's the download manager I'm refering to here... On Fri, Jun 01, 2007 at 12:00:39AM +0300, Vivia Nikolaidou wrote: I don't remember who mentioned it, but it would be nice to have one line in the CW showing FT progress (maybe make the filename clickable so clicking it would open the file?), and have a way to click it and open the FT manager in case a user is downloading many files at once... However, the information we show is: filename, user, progress, open file, and open directory. The user is the CW user, filename and progress are shown, clicking the filename would open the file, and I think open directory is not used that much so it can be accessible with right-click. So, I still wonder whether it's worth implementing a FT manager or too few people will need it... On Thu, 31 May 2007, Youness Alaoui wrote: I didn't understand what you meant :p but the 'do not show this dialog anymore', I don't like.. I prefer the setting of show always, show background, never... and the hide/cancel.. you wouldn't 'hide' a download, in a download manager, you remove a download once finished, if you remove it while transfering it's a cancel. The buttons should apply to the downloads, if you want to hide/close the download manager, you would simply close its tab like any other chat window... KKRT On Thu, May 31, 2007 at 08:11:52PM +0200, NoWhereMan wrote: Youness Alaoui wrote: ok, so for your taste, you would get the FT manager the first time you get a file transfer, then you will click on it's 'settings' button and choose 'do not show when a file transfer is started', then you would only get the infobar, and no manager... makes sense ? instead of a settings button a(nother) checkbox (under current close on complete) with [ ] do not show this dialog anymore. (you can still re-enable it from preferences window) (or, as always, something along the lines) and dialog buttons may be: [ Hide ] [ Cancel ] Where [ Hide ] may change to [ Close ] when the transfer has finished and [ Cancel ] would be grayed... or something like that... :) HTH - This SF.net email is sponsored by DB2 Express Download DB2 Express C - the FREE version of DB2 express and take control of your XML. No limits. Just data. Click to get it now. http://sourceforge.net/powerbar/db2/ ___ Amsn-devel mailing list Amsn-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/amsn-devel - This SF.net email is sponsored by DB2 Express Download DB2 Express C - the FREE version of DB2 express and take control of your XML. No limits. Just data. Click to get it now. http://sourceforge.net/powerbar/db2/ ___ Amsn-devel mailing list Amsn-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/amsn-devel --- Where is the life that we have lost in living? Where is the wisdom that we have lost in knowledge? Where is the knowledge that we have lost in information? OEO; - This SF.net email is sponsored by DB2 Express Download DB2 Express C - the FREE version of DB2 express and take control of your XML. No limits. Just data. Click to get it now. http://sourceforge.net/powerbar/db2/ ___ Amsn-devel mailing list Amsn-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/amsn-devel - This SF.net email is sponsored by DB2 Express Download DB2 Express C - the FREE version of DB2 express and take control of your XML. No limits. Just data. Click to get it now. http://sourceforge.net/powerbar/db2/ ___ Amsn-devel mailing list Amsn-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/amsn-devel
