Re: [Amsn-devel] news: live messenger now connected to yahoo.
Ooops, sorry!!!
Quoting the first post in there, from mario:
--- BEGIN OF QUOTE ---
And once again the people at microsoft amaze me with the speed they come up
with new protocols. Lately it's been an average of 3 protocols if not more...
As i was checking by mistake the new windows live messenger , and tracing
packets i noticed it sent:
VER 0 MSNP14 MSNP13 CVR0\r\n
but the reply only included MSNP13 which means that MSNP14 is not supported
server side but it is supported client side , which means microsoft are
planning the release of a new protocol?!
Important Notice:
Could it be the protocol that allows you to communicate with yahoo contacts ?!
is that it's use?! or do they just want to annoy developpers again?!
Well i don't know just yet, but, i will try to find out more about this new
protocol which probably should have changes in how the contact list is viewed
(a new field for yahoo users maybe in the xml data?)
Just wanted to let u know that they have plans for a new protocol and it would
be out soon.
--- END OF QUOTE ---
In the meantime some more details of MSNP14 are found by disassembling and,
after MS enabled MSNP14 on the servers, also by packet sniffing. Indeed the
purpose of MSNP14 is that it allows to communicate with Yahoo users. Until
now, it seems like there are only additions (i.e. new nessages, new xml tags)
to the MSNP13 protocol, no changes to existing protocol stuff.
Harry
Op zondag 16 juli 2006 07:20, schreef Youness Alaoui:
damn you!
I can't access/see that.. which is also the reason why I can't read the
MSNP13 document.. My PC is dead and I won't get a new one until next
week.. all I can do now with this PC is use mutt in a console to see my
mails (and have a non-accessible VNC server running with amsn)
so a little sentence to summarize it would be welcomed...
Tuesday I'll be at work and I'll read the link (if I remember it and can
find it in all those mails)
KKRT
On Sat, Jul 15, 2006 at 07:19:54PM +0200, Harry Vennik wrote:
http://forums.fanatic.net.nz/index.php?showtopic=15741
Op zaterdag 15 juli 2006 18:56, schreef Youness Alaoui:
Humm.. that would be interesting, but MSNP14 is not yet available, not
yet complete... right ? or is it that yahoo interop is already
available so MSNP14 is also available ?
personnally, I think it's a server side modification that allows MSNP13
to support yahoo interop. and btw, offline messages are already
available in MSNP12 :P
anyways, work is being done to support MSNP13, but we have no info on
MSNP14 so we can do nothing about it.
KKRT
On Sat, Jul 15, 2006 at 12:54:52AM -0400, Madd Matt wrote:
Although I haven't looked into it personally, I have been told by the
developer of Bot2k3 http://bot2k3.net that we need to use MSNP14 to
connect to the MSN servers in order to use Yahoo Interop. I am yet
to do any protocol sniffs personally but apparently its considerably
different from MSNP13. Personally I'm in favour of MSNP14 being the
target version for any future aMSN releases, simply because of the
number of new features available over the current MSNP12 that is
used. (Mainly, yahoo interop and offline messages). However, I have
never contributed any code to aMsn and therefore don't have much say
in things, I would really like to see MSNP14 in a third-party client,
and maybe aMsn to be one of the first?
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Re: [Amsn-devel] news: live messenger now connected to yahoo.
Ok, thank you both for the information!!! In that case, I'm not afraid about MSNP14, someone said in the previous post that it was completely different, I do not think so, for many reasons : 1 - the client supports MSNP14 BEFORE the server supports it, which means no beta was released with MSNP14, which means once they enable the protocol on the server, the client will be on MSNP14 which means the client should stay stable, and not become a beta client... for that, it means that the changes between the two protocols should be so minor that there is no testing necessary to make sure it doesn't break... 2 - it wouldn't be the first time, look at the differences between MSNP11 and MSNP12. apparently, it was a one line change ? 3 - Tom just gave a list of the differences.. almost none, a few lines only to be modified... So this makes me think that we should not care about MSNP14 for the moment, let us implement MSNP13 in the libmsn project, then once it's complete, tested, and working, then we can upgrade it to MSNP14... in the same way, if we implement MSNP14, then someday MSNP15 will be out and we'll have to upgrade, so anyways, upgrading the lib is 100% normal so we don't need to be afraid of it and want to implement MSNP14 from the start... One thing though.. can someone (Harry?) look at the current design and see if there would be any forward incompatibilities in the design, something that would not work with this yahoo interop of MSNP14... something that might make us loose our hair while trying to upgrade the lib ? I think it's the only issue.. my 2 cents. KKRT On Sun, Jul 16, 2006 at 02:06:39PM +0100, Tom Hennigan wrote: From: http://msnpiki.msnfanatic.com/index.php/MSNP14 MSNP14 changes (TODO merge into version 14 wiki page). Digest from http://forums.fanatic.net.nz/index.php?showtopic=15741st=20 - RouteInfo: msnp://64.4.27.144/020002E9 sent along the initial profile message - ILN 41 NLN [EMAIL PROTECTED] 1 NICK 1615708204 %DPDATA% notice the 1 this probably represents if a contact is actually on the WLM part or the yahoo part , apparently 1 is for WLM users As said before the adding is done by FQY: FQY 48 67 mld n=yahoo.comc n=email//d/mlFQY 48 75 mld n=yahoo.comc n=email t=32 //d/ml UUM , UBM are used respectively to send and receive messages from yahoo contacts , the format is similar to MSG on the switchboard with 2 extra parameters: UUM 57 [EMAIL PROTECTED] 32 1 135 the 32 is a constant , the 5th field is either 1 or 2 When recieving SOAP data, there are some new fields. The type of yahoo users is Email and instead of the address being in PassportName it is in Email. new member type Member xsi:type=EmailMember MembershipId14/MembershipId TypeEmail/Type StateAccepted/State Annotations Annotation NameMSN.IM.BuddyType/Name Value32:/Value /Annotation /Annotations Deletedfalse/Deleted LastChanged2006-07-15T07:21:26.83-07:00/LastChanged Changes / Email[EMAIL PROTECTED]/Email /Member new contact info for yahoo user contactInfo emails ContactEmail contactEmailTypeMessenger2/contactEmailType email[EMAIL PROTECTED]/email isMessengerEnabledtrue/isMessengerEnabled propertiesChanged / /ContactEmail /emails groupIds guid28f97ef2-74a1-436a-b765-b3a79b74a8bf/guid /groupIds contactTypeRegular/contactType quickNamesomeone54/quickName IsPassportNameHiddenfalse/IsPassportNameHidden puid0/puid CID0/CID IsNotMobileVisiblefalse/IsNotMobileVisible isMobileIMEnabledfalse/isMobileIMEnabled isMessengerUserfalse/isMessengerUser isFavoritefalse/isFavorite isSmtpfalse/isSmtp hasSpacefalse/hasSpace spotWatchStateNoDevice/spotWatchState birthdate0001-01-01T00:00:00/birthdate primaryEmailTypeContactEmailPersonal/primaryEmailType PrimaryLocationContactLocationPersonal/PrimaryLocation PrimaryPhoneContactPhonePersonal/PrimaryPhone IsPrivatefalse/IsPrivate GenderUnspecified/Gender TimeZoneNone/TimeZone /contactInfo python code example http://www.openomy.com/download/sunyin/msnlib.py On 16 Jul 2006, at 08:35, Harry Vennik wrote: Ooops, sorry!!! Quoting the first post in there, from mario: --- BEGIN OF QUOTE --- And once again the people at microsoft amaze me with the speed they come up with new protocols. Lately it's been an average of 3 protocols if not more... As i was checking by mistake the new windows live messenger , and tracing packets i noticed it sent: VER 0 MSNP14 MSNP13 CVR0\r\n but the reply only included MSNP13 which means that MSNP14 is not supported server side but it is supported client side , which means microsoft are planning the release of a new protocol?! Important Notice: Could it be the protocol that allows you to communicate with yahoo contacts ?! is that it's use?! or do they just want to annoy developpers again?! Well i don't know just yet, but, i will try to find
Re: [Amsn-devel] news: live messenger now connected to yahoo.
So this makes me think that we should not care about MSNP14 for the moment, let us implement MSNP13 in the libmsn project, then once it's complete, tested, and working, then we can upgrade it to MSNP14... in the same way, if we implement MSNP14, then someday MSNP15 will be out and we'll have to upgrade, so anyways, upgrading the lib is 100% normal so we don't need to be afraid of it and want to implement MSNP14 from the start... One thing though.. can someone (Harry?) look at the current design and see if there would be any forward incompatibilities in the design, something that would not work with this yahoo interop of MSNP14... something that might make us loose our hair while trying to upgrade the lib ? I think it's the only issue.. my 2 cents. I agree. But before checking the design for that, we'd better wait a while. It might still change 100%. We only had a first draft now. Harry - Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=120709bid=263057dat=121642 ___ Amsn-devel mailing list Amsn-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/amsn-devel
Re: [Amsn-devel] news: live messenger now connected to yahoo.
Yeah I know, what I meant was make sure the design is forwad compatible, if not, the next design draft should be KKRT On Sun, Jul 16, 2006 at 08:23:04PM +0200, Harry Vennik wrote: So this makes me think that we should not care about MSNP14 for the moment, let us implement MSNP13 in the libmsn project, then once it's complete, tested, and working, then we can upgrade it to MSNP14... in the same way, if we implement MSNP14, then someday MSNP15 will be out and we'll have to upgrade, so anyways, upgrading the lib is 100% normal so we don't need to be afraid of it and want to implement MSNP14 from the start... One thing though.. can someone (Harry?) look at the current design and see if there would be any forward incompatibilities in the design, something that would not work with this yahoo interop of MSNP14... something that might make us loose our hair while trying to upgrade the lib ? I think it's the only issue.. my 2 cents. I agree. But before checking the design for that, we'd better wait a while. It might still change 100%. We only had a first draft now. Harry - Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=120709bid=263057dat=121642 ___ Amsn-devel mailing list Amsn-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/amsn-devel - Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=120709bid=263057dat=121642 ___ Amsn-devel mailing list Amsn-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/amsn-devel
Re: [Amsn-devel] news: live messenger now connected to yahoo.
Humm.. that would be interesting, but MSNP14 is not yet available, not yet complete... right ? or is it that yahoo interop is already available so MSNP14 is also available ? personnally, I think it's a server side modification that allows MSNP13 to support yahoo interop. and btw, offline messages are already available in MSNP12 :P anyways, work is being done to support MSNP13, but we have no info on MSNP14 so we can do nothing about it. KKRT On Sat, Jul 15, 2006 at 12:54:52AM -0400, Madd Matt wrote: Although I haven't looked into it personally, I have been told by the developer of Bot2k3 http://bot2k3.net that we need to use MSNP14 to connect to the MSN servers in order to use Yahoo Interop. I am yet to do any protocol sniffs personally but apparently its considerably different from MSNP13. Personally I'm in favour of MSNP14 being the target version for any future aMSN releases, simply because of the number of new features available over the current MSNP12 that is used. (Mainly, yahoo interop and offline messages). However, I have never contributed any code to aMsn and therefore don't have much say in things, I would really like to see MSNP14 in a third-party client, and maybe aMsn to be one of the first? - Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=120709bid=263057dat=121642 ___ Amsn-devel mailing list Amsn-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/amsn-devel - Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=120709bid=263057dat=121642 ___ Amsn-devel mailing list Amsn-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/amsn-devel
Re: [Amsn-devel] news: live messenger now connected to yahoo.
http://forums.fanatic.net.nz/index.php?showtopic=15741 Op zaterdag 15 juli 2006 18:56, schreef Youness Alaoui: Humm.. that would be interesting, but MSNP14 is not yet available, not yet complete... right ? or is it that yahoo interop is already available so MSNP14 is also available ? personnally, I think it's a server side modification that allows MSNP13 to support yahoo interop. and btw, offline messages are already available in MSNP12 :P anyways, work is being done to support MSNP13, but we have no info on MSNP14 so we can do nothing about it. KKRT On Sat, Jul 15, 2006 at 12:54:52AM -0400, Madd Matt wrote: Although I haven't looked into it personally, I have been told by the developer of Bot2k3 http://bot2k3.net that we need to use MSNP14 to connect to the MSN servers in order to use Yahoo Interop. I am yet to do any protocol sniffs personally but apparently its considerably different from MSNP13. Personally I'm in favour of MSNP14 being the target version for any future aMSN releases, simply because of the number of new features available over the current MSNP12 that is used. (Mainly, yahoo interop and offline messages). However, I have never contributed any code to aMsn and therefore don't have much say in things, I would really like to see MSNP14 in a third-party client, and maybe aMsn to be one of the first? - Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=120709bid=263057dat=121642 ___ Amsn-devel mailing list Amsn-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/amsn-devel - Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=120709bid=263057dat=121642 ___ Amsn-devel mailing list Amsn-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/amsn-devel - Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=120709bid=263057dat=121642 ___ Amsn-devel mailing list Amsn-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/amsn-devel
Re: [Amsn-devel] news: live messenger now connected to yahoo.
damn you! I can't access/see that.. which is also the reason why I can't read the MSNP13 document.. My PC is dead and I won't get a new one until next week.. all I can do now with this PC is use mutt in a console to see my mails (and have a non-accessible VNC server running with amsn) so a little sentence to summarize it would be welcomed... Tuesday I'll be at work and I'll read the link (if I remember it and can find it in all those mails) KKRT On Sat, Jul 15, 2006 at 07:19:54PM +0200, Harry Vennik wrote: http://forums.fanatic.net.nz/index.php?showtopic=15741 Op zaterdag 15 juli 2006 18:56, schreef Youness Alaoui: Humm.. that would be interesting, but MSNP14 is not yet available, not yet complete... right ? or is it that yahoo interop is already available so MSNP14 is also available ? personnally, I think it's a server side modification that allows MSNP13 to support yahoo interop. and btw, offline messages are already available in MSNP12 :P anyways, work is being done to support MSNP13, but we have no info on MSNP14 so we can do nothing about it. KKRT On Sat, Jul 15, 2006 at 12:54:52AM -0400, Madd Matt wrote: Although I haven't looked into it personally, I have been told by the developer of Bot2k3 http://bot2k3.net that we need to use MSNP14 to connect to the MSN servers in order to use Yahoo Interop. I am yet to do any protocol sniffs personally but apparently its considerably different from MSNP13. Personally I'm in favour of MSNP14 being the target version for any future aMSN releases, simply because of the number of new features available over the current MSNP12 that is used. (Mainly, yahoo interop and offline messages). However, I have never contributed any code to aMsn and therefore don't have much say in things, I would really like to see MSNP14 in a third-party client, and maybe aMsn to be one of the first? - Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=120709bid=263057dat=121642 ___ Amsn-devel mailing list Amsn-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/amsn-devel - Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=120709bid=263057dat=121642 ___ Amsn-devel mailing list Amsn-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/amsn-devel - Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=120709bid=263057dat=121642 ___ Amsn-devel mailing list Amsn-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/amsn-devel - Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=120709bid=263057dat=121642 ___ Amsn-devel mailing list Amsn-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/amsn-devel
Re: [Amsn-devel] news: live messenger now connected to yahoo.
Although I haven't looked into it personally, I have been told by the developer of Bot2k3 that we need to use MSNP14 to connect to the MSN servers in order to use Yahoo Interop. I am yet to do any protocol sniffs personally but apparently its considerably different from MSNP13. Personally I'm in favour of MSNP14 being the target version for any future aMSN releases, simply because of the number of new features available over the current MSNP12 that is used. (Mainly, yahoo interop and offline messages). However, I have never contributed any code to aMsn and therefore don't have much say in things, I would really like to see MSNP14 in a third-party client, and maybe aMsn to be one of the first? - Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=120709bid=263057dat=121642 ___ Amsn-devel mailing list Amsn-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/amsn-devel
