[android-developers] Android Wiki
Hi all, I have waited for a while and have had no response from all of you. So I am trying again. Could you all help in making this wiki? Anthing android related is welcome on it. http://wiki.androidappcheck.com/ Thanks -- Raghav Sood http://www.raghavsood.com/ http://www.androidappcheck.com/ http://www.telstop.tel/ -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Android Developers group. To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en
Re: [android-developers] Android Wiki
On Thu, Jun 9, 2011 at 1:18 AM, Raghav Sood raghavs...@gmail.com wrote: I have waited for a while and have had no response from all of you. So I am trying again. Could you all help in making this wiki? Anthing android related is welcome on it. http://wiki.androidappcheck.com/ I admire your efforts but you'll likely not get a good response (again). Here's a few things to consider that's likely keeping people from contributing. 1 - Your wiki is empty. There is *NOTHING* on it. Which means no one is reading it since there's nothing to read. So why would anyone waste their time adding stuff to a wiki no one is reading? If I added 1 article right now you'd have 1 article. If you're serious about this then *YOU* need to put the leg work up front to seed it with content to make it look like it's useful, give people something to read and a reason to visit. Through that traffic people would eventually start editing existing topics or adding their own new ones. So write some starting content and / or find other existing tutorials / examples / data sets online and ask the authors for permission to copy their stuff over and do that. *Anything* to get something going. 2 - Until you started posting in this group, I for one have never heard of you or this site. You have no name recognition. If this was www.the-official-android-wiki.com run by Google, it would likely have a huge following. As it stands, there is no confidence that this isn't just some pet project some random person on the internet threw together over the weekend. For all we know this will fizzle out and die by next week. The complete lack of content mentioned in point 1 doesn't help. There's not much you can do about this but you can start by contributing to this group with more than pleads for people to add content to your wiki. Over time perhaps you'll gain more recognition and respect to have people take this more seriously. 3 - You have a Donate button on each and every page that apparently goes directly to you. You want an entire community to do the work to build up knowledge on your website and donations go to you? Seriously? You, sir, have a pair of solid steel grapefruits that would make Stephen Colbert jealous. 4 - Sorry but frankly the very people you want to contribute to this simply have better sh*t to do. We all have apps we're working on and likely full-time jobs and families and that minor nuisance known as life. Given points 1, 2, and 3 there's absolutely no incentive or motivation to move anyone to spend time on this. This is all meant to be constructive so I hope you take it as such. Good luck. - TreKing http://sites.google.com/site/rezmobileapps/treking - Chicago transit tracking app for Android-powered devices -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Android Developers group. To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en
Re: [android-developers] Android Wiki
Hi, I apprecite you atleast replying to this mail. I know that your points are very valid, but its not as if wikipedia was the official wiki of the world when it was started that would cause it to become so popular. I also know that you mean to be constructive with the mail and am not taking it in a bad way. As the donate button seems to be an issue I will remove it until I can set up an account that is not a personal one. I understand that I too should contribute to the wiki. The problem there is that5 I started this wiki because I am new to android and know the problems we all experiance and hoped to have a reference point to be able to find solutions. As I am new I can't really write all of it by myself, but I have added pages and will add more. Still, thank you for the points you gave. On Thu, Jun 9, 2011 at 6:37 PM, TreKing treking...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Jun 9, 2011 at 1:18 AM, Raghav Sood raghavs...@gmail.com wrote: I have waited for a while and have had no response from all of you. So I am trying again. Could you all help in making this wiki? Anthing android related is welcome on it. http://wiki.androidappcheck.com/ I admire your efforts but you'll likely not get a good response (again). Here's a few things to consider that's likely keeping people from contributing. 1 - Your wiki is empty. There is *NOTHING* on it. Which means no one is reading it since there's nothing to read. So why would anyone waste their time adding stuff to a wiki no one is reading? If I added 1 article right now you'd have 1 article. If you're serious about this then *YOU* need to put the leg work up front to seed it with content to make it look like it's useful, give people something to read and a reason to visit. Through that traffic people would eventually start editing existing topics or adding their own new ones. So write some starting content and / or find other existing tutorials / examples / data sets online and ask the authors for permission to copy their stuff over and do that. *Anything* to get something going. 2 - Until you started posting in this group, I for one have never heard of you or this site. You have no name recognition. If this was www.the-official-android-wiki.com run by Google, it would likely have a huge following. As it stands, there is no confidence that this isn't just some pet project some random person on the internet threw together over the weekend. For all we know this will fizzle out and die by next week. The complete lack of content mentioned in point 1 doesn't help. There's not much you can do about this but you can start by contributing to this group with more than pleads for people to add content to your wiki. Over time perhaps you'll gain more recognition and respect to have people take this more seriously. 3 - You have a Donate button on each and every page that apparently goes directly to you. You want an entire community to do the work to build up knowledge on your website and donations go to you? Seriously? You, sir, have a pair of solid steel grapefruits that would make Stephen Colbert jealous. 4 - Sorry but frankly the very people you want to contribute to this simply have better sh*t to do. We all have apps we're working on and likely full-time jobs and families and that minor nuisance known as life. Given points 1, 2, and 3 there's absolutely no incentive or motivation to move anyone to spend time on this. This is all meant to be constructive so I hope you take it as such. Good luck. - TreKing http://sites.google.com/site/rezmobileapps/treking - Chicago transit tracking app for Android-powered devices -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Android Developers group. To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en -- Raghav Sood http://www.raghavsood.com/ http://www.androidappcheck.com/ http://www.telstop.tel/ -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Android Developers group. To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en
Re: [android-developers] Android Wiki
On Thu, Jun 9, 2011 at 11:18 AM, Raghav Sood raghavs...@gmail.com wrote: The problem there is that5 I started this wiki because I am new to android and know the problems we all experiance and hoped to have a reference point to be able to find solutions. As I am new I can't really write all of it by myself, but I have added pages and will add more. If you are new to android, please consider getting 12-18 months of experience with the platform first before trying to create a resource that requires at least that level of expertise just to curate. Along the way, you can avail yourself of the copious resources that the Android developer community have painstakingly put together since late 2007, such as nearly 180,000 posts on this very Google Group: http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers and nearly 70,000 pages worth of questions and answers on StackOverflow: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/tagged/android And all the blogs, forums, wikis, etc. that we have collectively generated. Perhaps at that time you will determine that another English-language Android development wiki is not what the world needs. From what I can tell, non-English speakers are chronically under-served, so perhaps you will determine at that time to create an Android development resource for some other language. Or, perhaps you will just create a custom search engine, indexing known good Android development resources. Or, perhaps you will think of something else. However, if after you have 12-18 months of Android development experience, you still want to create yet another English-language Android development wiki, go for it. Hopefully, by then, you will be able to seed it yourself -- a few hundred pages *might* be sufficient. I know from personal experience that a few dozen pages will not. As TreKing pointed out, an empty wiki will tend to remain empty (I think that's Newton's Fourth Law of Internet Thermodynamics...). -- Mark Murphy (a Commons Guy) http://commonsware.com | http://github.com/commonsguy http://commonsware.com/blog | http://twitter.com/commonsguy _The Busy Coder's Guide to *Advanced* Android Development_ Version 1.9.3 Available! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Android Developers group. To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en
Re: [android-developers] Android Wiki
Point taken. I'll add stuff as I go along and hope that people will start to contribute. Thanks On Thu, Jun 9, 2011 at 9:44 PM, Mark Murphy mmur...@commonsware.com wrote: On Thu, Jun 9, 2011 at 11:18 AM, Raghav Sood raghavs...@gmail.com wrote: The problem there is that5 I started this wiki because I am new to android and know the problems we all experiance and hoped to have a reference point to be able to find solutions. As I am new I can't really write all of it by myself, but I have added pages and will add more. If you are new to android, please consider getting 12-18 months of experience with the platform first before trying to create a resource that requires at least that level of expertise just to curate. Along the way, you can avail yourself of the copious resources that the Android developer community have painstakingly put together since late 2007, such as nearly 180,000 posts on this very Google Group: http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers and nearly 70,000 pages worth of questions and answers on StackOverflow: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/tagged/android And all the blogs, forums, wikis, etc. that we have collectively generated. Perhaps at that time you will determine that another English-language Android development wiki is not what the world needs. From what I can tell, non-English speakers are chronically under-served, so perhaps you will determine at that time to create an Android development resource for some other language. Or, perhaps you will just create a custom search engine, indexing known good Android development resources. Or, perhaps you will think of something else. However, if after you have 12-18 months of Android development experience, you still want to create yet another English-language Android development wiki, go for it. Hopefully, by then, you will be able to seed it yourself -- a few hundred pages *might* be sufficient. I know from personal experience that a few dozen pages will not. As TreKing pointed out, an empty wiki will tend to remain empty (I think that's Newton's Fourth Law of Internet Thermodynamics...). -- Mark Murphy (a Commons Guy) http://commonsware.com | http://github.com/commonsguy http://commonsware.com/blog | http://twitter.com/commonsguy _The Busy Coder's Guide to *Advanced* Android Development_ Version 1.9.3 Available! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Android Developers group. To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en -- Raghav Sood http://www.raghavsood.com/ http://www.androidappcheck.com/ http://www.telstop.tel/ -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Android Developers group. To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en
