Re: [android-developers] Phone for development

2011-04-28 Thread Pepijn Van Eeckhoudt
I agree with that review. As I already said in the set of devices I have 
available, that one's my 'favorite'.


A couple of my colleagues have one for personal use as well and are very 
happy with it. BTW, there's also a revamped 'S' version of the desire 
which is a gingerbread device. It's probably a bit more expensive than 
the regular desire though.


Pepijn

On 27/04/2011 22:22, Tommy wrote:


Here is engadgets review of the desire... 
http://www.engadget.com/2010/04/01/htc-desire-review/


Accoding the the last section called Wrap-up the first paragraph reads:

The Desire is yet another fine piece of work from HTC -- build quality 
is top notch as usual, and there's little to complain about the 
software except for the Flash performance. Some may argue that the 
Desire lacks freshness since the Nexus One's already shown it all, but 
we'd disagree -- at the end of the day it's mainly about the software 
andservice 
http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/09/google-starts-live-phone-support-to-nexus-one-owners/, 
plus the Desire is available from more carriers to begin with (outside 
the US, anyway).


If I were looking into buy the phone given the review I wouldn't feel 
bad about buying it, but that's me.


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*To:* android-developers@googlegroups.com
*Subject:* Re: [android-developers] Phone for development

Thanks.

Is the Desire a good choice?

On Wed, Apr 27, 2011 at 10:31 PM, Tommy droi...@gmail.com 
mailto:droi...@gmail.com wrote:


I would HIGHLY recommend HTC THEY ARE BEAUTIFUL PHONES! One of my 
phones is the HTC Aria I use for development and my main personal 
phone Great phones. An example My wife threw a pair of paints 
at me as hard as she could (we were playing around she wasn't trying 
to kill me) but she didn't know my HTC was in my pocket... Well the 
pants missed me by a mile(probably b/c she is a girl J) and hit the 
oak bed back I heard the phone hit and just assumed the phone was 
trashed... It hit really hard... The only thing that happened was the 
case popped off... No cracks... no breaks... Phone still works like it 
did when it was knew


I recommend HTC to anyone and everyone until they show me they don't 
deserve to be recommended.


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*Subject:*Re: [android-developers] Phone for development

Thanks Pepijn. That helps a lot. I'll most probably do with a HTC now.

Thanks everyone.

On Wed, Apr 27, 2011 at 8:45 PM, Pepijn Van Eeckhoudt 
pep...@vaneeckhoudt.net mailto:pep...@vaneeckhoudt.net wrote:


On 27/04/2011 16:12, Raghav Sood wrote:

Okay. I'll check that out. Still can someone suggest a reasonably 
priced android 2.2 or above phone?

Thanks

Since no one's giving you any advice I'll give it a try ;)

The dev phones I use myself are Motorola Milestone XT720, HTC Desire, 
Samsung Galaxy S and a Google Nexus S; one for each OS revision. I 
know these are all high-end devices, but I can try to extrapolate my 
experience with those.
Objectively, they're all fairly similar for development purposes. I 
don't use these phones for anything besides testing so I can't comment 
on any Android customizations each vendor might have made. 
Subjectively, I prefer the HTC the most in terms of feel and build 
quality. HTC seems to do a pretty good with their OS updates as well 
and they actually use OTA updates rather than requiring some buggy 
proprietary tool.


If you stick with HTC the only model they seem to have in the 230 euro 
/ Rp. 15000 price range is the wildfire. The wildfire is listed in 
Belgium at 229 euro and the wildfire S at 289 euro. The first one is a 
Froyo device, the second one Gingerbread.


I don't know about the specific Samsung model you mentioned, but the 
Galaxy and Nexus are pretty good too FWIW. The only downsides to 
Samsung IMO is that you have to use Kies to perform upgrades which can 
be a pain and they feel rather flimsy, plasticy. The HTC has a 
sturdier feel to it.


Hope this helps,

Pepijn




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Re: [android-developers] Phone for development

2011-04-28 Thread Raghav Sood
Thanks a lot Pepijn

On Thu, Apr 28, 2011 at 12:14 PM, Pepijn Van Eeckhoudt 
pep...@vaneeckhoudt.net wrote:

  I agree with that review. As I already said in the set of devices I have
 available, that one's my 'favorite'.

 A couple of my colleagues have one for personal use as well and are very
 happy with it. BTW, there's also a revamped 'S' version of the desire which
 is a gingerbread device. It's probably a bit more expensive than the regular
 desire though.

 Pepijn


 On 27/04/2011 22:22, Tommy wrote:

  Here is engadgets review of the desire…
 http://www.engadget.com/2010/04/01/htc-desire-review/



 Accoding the the last section called “Wrap-up” the first paragraph reads:



 The Desire is yet another fine piece of work from HTC – build
 quality is top notch as usual, and there's little to complain about the
 software except for the Flash performance. Some may argue that the Desire
 lacks freshness since the Nexus One's already shown it all, but we'd
 disagree – at the end of the day it's mainly about the software and
 servicehttp://www.engadget.com/2010/02/09/google-starts-live-phone-support-to-nexus-one-owners/,
 plus the Desire is available from more carriers to begin with (outside the
 US, anyway).



 If I were looking into buy the phone given the review I wouldn’t feel bad
 about buying it, but that’s me.



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 *On Behalf Of *Raghav Sood
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 *To:* android-developers@googlegroups.com
 *Subject:* Re: [android-developers] Phone for development



 Thanks.

 Is the Desire a good choice?

 On Wed, Apr 27, 2011 at 10:31 PM, Tommy droi...@gmail.com wrote:

 I would HIGHLY recommend HTC…. THEY ARE BEAUTIFUL PHONES! One of my phones
 is the HTC Aria I use for development and my main personal phone…. Great
 phones. An example…. My wife threw a pair of paints at me as hard as she
 could (we were playing around she wasn’t trying to kill me) but she didn’t
 know my HTC was in my pocket… Well the pants missed me by a mile(probably
 b/c she is a girl J) and hit the oak bed back…. I heard the phone hit and
 just assumed the phone was trashed… It hit really hard… The only thing that
 happened was the case popped off… No cracks… no breaks… Phone still works
 like it did when it was knew….



 I recommend HTC to anyone and everyone until they show me they don’t
 deserve to be recommended.



 *From:* android-developers@googlegroups.com [mailto:
 android-developers@googlegroups.com] *On Behalf Of *Raghav Sood
 *Sent:* Wednesday, April 27, 2011 11:35 AM


 *To:* android-developers@googlegroups.com

 *Subject:* Re: [android-developers] Phone for development



 Thanks Pepijn. That helps a lot. I'll most probably do with a HTC now.

 Thanks everyone.

 On Wed, Apr 27, 2011 at 8:45 PM, Pepijn Van Eeckhoudt 
 pep...@vaneeckhoudt.net wrote:

 On 27/04/2011 16:12, Raghav Sood wrote:

 Okay. I'll check that out. Still can someone suggest a reasonably priced
 android 2.2 or above phone?
 Thanks

 Since no one's giving you any advice I'll give it a try ;)

 The dev phones I use myself are Motorola Milestone XT720, HTC Desire,
 Samsung Galaxy S and a Google Nexus S; one for each OS revision. I know
 these are all high-end devices, but I can try to extrapolate my experience
 with those.
 Objectively, they're all fairly similar for development purposes. I don't
 use these phones for anything besides testing so I can't comment on any
 Android customizations each vendor might have made. Subjectively, I prefer
 the HTC the most in terms of feel and build quality. HTC seems to do a
 pretty good with their OS updates as well and they actually use OTA updates
 rather than requiring some buggy proprietary tool.

 If you stick with HTC the only model they seem to have in the 230 euro /
 Rp. 15000 price range is the wildfire. The wildfire is listed in Belgium at
 229 euro and the wildfire S at 289 euro. The first one is a Froyo device,
 the second one Gingerbread.

 I don't know about the specific Samsung model you mentioned, but the Galaxy
 and Nexus are pretty good too FWIW. The only downsides to Samsung IMO is
 that you have to use Kies to perform upgrades which can be a pain and they
 feel rather flimsy, plasticy. The HTC has a sturdier feel to it.

 Hope this helps,

 Pepijn




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Re: [android-developers] Phone for development

2011-04-27 Thread Raghav Sood
Thanks guys.

Kostya, we are talking about the RAM. I turned the task killer of as
you mentioned it might interfere but it has not helped. Any more
ideas?

Thanks

On 4/27/11, Kostya Vasilyev kmans...@gmail.com wrote:
 If we are talking about RAM (as opposed to internal storage), well,
 Android kills processes and frees memory as needed. If it's having
 trouble doing that on your phone, perhaps something is interfering?
 Perhaps it's the task killer, as weird as that would sound? Perhaps
 there is some kind of weird interaction with the development process
 (repeated reinstalls, etc.).

 If we're talking about internal storage, perhaps there is an application
 that aggressively fills up storage with something? You could try and
 find out if that's the case by using Android's built-in Settings |
 Applications screen, which reports internal storage amounts used by
 applications.

 Too many perhapses, perhaps, but perhaps they're worth checking out?

 -- Kostya

 26.04.2011 22:23, Tommy ?:

 Hm,

 That sucks about ATK not working very good for you I can't
 remember the last time I turned my phone off because of memory
 issues... Maybe someone else can give some suggestions on that.

 *From:*android-developers@googlegroups.com
 [mailto:android-developers@googlegroups.com] *On Behalf Of *Raghav Sood
 *Sent:* Tuesday, April 26, 2011 2:00 PM
 *To:* android-developers@googlegroups.com
 *Subject:* Re: [android-developers] Phone for development

 Hi

 its 220 mb after 48 hrs. By the end of 5-6 days its down to 80mb and
 then the phone starts to hang frequently.Advanced Task killer doesn't
 help much. I did consider ebay but in India sometimes the used goods
 turn out to be barely working.

 If you could suggest a good android phone running atleast froyo for
 less than Rs. 15000 I would be happy. Any suggestions to speed my
 current phone up are welcome to.

 On Tue, Apr 26, 2011 at 11:21 PM, Tommy droi...@gmail.com
 mailto:droi...@gmail.com wrote:

 That's not a huge issue... You still have 220mb avail for running
 apps... my original droid usually runs with 64mb free and I don't
 notice any issues If you are worried about the ram have you tried
 ATK(Advanced Task Killer)? I love it personally and it does a great
 job at keeping things running especially if you set up the auto-kill
 feature every hour or so

 Have you considered buying a used phone off ebay? I don't know how it
 works in india but that would be all I could suggest on possibly
 finding a good price on another phone.

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 mailto:android-developers@googlegroups.com] *On Behalf Of *Raghav Sood
 *Sent:* Tuesday, April 26, 2011 1:10 PM


 *To:* android-developers@googlegroups.com
 mailto:android-developers@googlegroups.com
 *Subject:* Re: [android-developers] Phone for development

 Hi,

 Thanks for the replies. I would love a Nexus phone but I am 13 years
 old and in india its a little expensive for me. My optimus works fine
 except it has started losing RAM very fast. When I switch it on there
 is 340 mb free but within 48 hours its down to 220mb. Any other phones
 you can suggest?

 Thanks

 On Tue, Apr 26, 2011 at 2:03 AM, Tommy droi...@gmail.com
 mailto:droi...@gmail.com wrote:

 I have phones with ATT and you can use them to develop with. As long
 as you push your app via Eclipse... or Whats it... ADB that eclipse
 automates for you... What you CAN NOT do is copy the app to your sd
 card and install it that way.

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 mailto:android-developers@googlegroups.com
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 mailto:android-developers@googlegroups.com] *On Behalf Of *Danny
 Pimienta
 *Sent:* Sunday, April 24, 2011 10:35 AM
 *To:* android-developers@googlegroups.com
 mailto:android-developers@googlegroups.com
 *Subject:* Re: [android-developers] Phone for development

 Raghav,

 All devices work for development use except those on ATT because they
 disable to option to allow sideloading of apps. I personally still
 user a Nexus One as my developers phone since it's pure Google and it
 is supposed to get updates faster.

 On Sat, Apr 23, 2011 at 4:58 PM, Raghav Sood raghavs...@gmail.com
 mailto:raghavs...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hi,

 I was thinking of buying a new phone for development and zeroed in on
 Samsung Galaxy Pro B7510
 http://www.samsung.com/in/consumer/mobile-phone/mobile-phone/smartphone/GT-B7510LKAINU/index.idx?pagetype=prd_detail.

 I wanted to know if this is a good choice and if any of you have used
 it how is it? Also will it be better than my current Optimus P500?

 Thanks in advance

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Re: [android-developers] Phone for development

2011-04-27 Thread Kostya Vasilyev
One of my phones (HTC Hero) has just a little bit more RAM than your LG 
Optimus, and I never had any trouble developing with it.


And to repeat - killing applications and freeing RAM is something 
Android always does. If there is a problem with that, that would be a 
major screw-up by the manufacturer (firmware developer).


You might want to look for a user-oriented forum where your phone is 
discussed, which should be a better place to discuss specific issues 
affecting your device.


-- Kostya

27.04.2011 14:07, Raghav Sood пишет:

Thanks guys.

Kostya, we are talking about the RAM. I turned the task killer of as
you mentioned it might interfere but it has not helped. Any more
ideas?

Thanks



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Re: [android-developers] Phone for development

2011-04-27 Thread Raghav Sood
Okay. I'll check that out. Still can someone suggest a reasonably priced
android 2.2 or above phone?
Thanks

On Wed, Apr 27, 2011 at 4:18 PM, Kostya Vasilyev kmans...@gmail.com wrote:

 One of my phones (HTC Hero) has just a little bit more RAM than your LG
 Optimus, and I never had any trouble developing with it.

 And to repeat - killing applications and freeing RAM is something Android
 always does. If there is a problem with that, that would be a major screw-up
 by the manufacturer (firmware developer).

 You might want to look for a user-oriented forum where your phone is
 discussed, which should be a better place to discuss specific issues
 affecting your device.

 -- Kostya

 27.04.2011 14:07, Raghav Sood пишет:

  Thanks guys.

 Kostya, we are talking about the RAM. I turned the task killer of as
 you mentioned it might interfere but it has not helped. Any more
 ideas?

 Thanks



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Re: [android-developers] Phone for development

2011-04-27 Thread Pepijn Van Eeckhoudt

On 27/04/2011 16:12, Raghav Sood wrote:
Okay. I'll check that out. Still can someone suggest a reasonably 
priced android 2.2 or above phone?

Thanks

Since no one's giving you any advice I'll give it a try ;)

The dev phones I use myself are Motorola Milestone XT720, HTC Desire, 
Samsung Galaxy S and a Google Nexus S; one for each OS revision. I know 
these are all high-end devices, but I can try to extrapolate my 
experience with those.
Objectively, they're all fairly similar for development purposes. I 
don't use these phones for anything besides testing so I can't comment 
on any Android customizations each vendor might have made. Subjectively, 
I prefer the HTC the most in terms of feel and build quality. HTC seems 
to do a pretty good with their OS updates as well and they actually use 
OTA updates rather than requiring some buggy proprietary tool.


If you stick with HTC the only model they seem to have in the 230 euro / 
Rp. 15000 price range is the wildfire. The wildfire is listed in Belgium 
at 229 euro and the wildfire S at 289 euro. The first one is a Froyo 
device, the second one Gingerbread.


I don't know about the specific Samsung model you mentioned, but the 
Galaxy and Nexus are pretty good too FWIW. The only downsides to Samsung 
IMO is that you have to use Kies to perform upgrades which can be a pain 
and they feel rather flimsy, plasticy. The HTC has a sturdier feel to it.


Hope this helps,

Pepijn


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Re: [android-developers] Phone for development

2011-04-27 Thread Raghav Sood
Thanks Pepijn. That helps a lot. I'll most probably do with a HTC now.

Thanks everyone.


On Wed, Apr 27, 2011 at 8:45 PM, Pepijn Van Eeckhoudt 
pep...@vaneeckhoudt.net wrote:

 On 27/04/2011 16:12, Raghav Sood wrote:

 Okay. I'll check that out. Still can someone suggest a reasonably priced
 android 2.2 or above phone?
 Thanks

 Since no one's giving you any advice I'll give it a try ;)

 The dev phones I use myself are Motorola Milestone XT720, HTC Desire,
 Samsung Galaxy S and a Google Nexus S; one for each OS revision. I know
 these are all high-end devices, but I can try to extrapolate my experience
 with those.
 Objectively, they're all fairly similar for development purposes. I don't
 use these phones for anything besides testing so I can't comment on any
 Android customizations each vendor might have made. Subjectively, I prefer
 the HTC the most in terms of feel and build quality. HTC seems to do a
 pretty good with their OS updates as well and they actually use OTA updates
 rather than requiring some buggy proprietary tool.

 If you stick with HTC the only model they seem to have in the 230 euro /
 Rp. 15000 price range is the wildfire. The wildfire is listed in Belgium at
 229 euro and the wildfire S at 289 euro. The first one is a Froyo device,
 the second one Gingerbread.

 I don't know about the specific Samsung model you mentioned, but the Galaxy
 and Nexus are pretty good too FWIW. The only downsides to Samsung IMO is
 that you have to use Kies to perform upgrades which can be a pain and they
 feel rather flimsy, plasticy. The HTC has a sturdier feel to it.

 Hope this helps,

 Pepijn



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RE: [android-developers] Phone for development

2011-04-27 Thread Tommy
I would HIGHLY recommend HTC.. THEY ARE BEAUTIFUL PHONES! One of my phones
is the HTC Aria I use for development and my main personal phone.. Great
phones. An example.. My wife threw a pair of paints at me as hard as she
could (we were playing around she wasn't trying to kill me) but she didn't
know my HTC was in my pocket. Well the pants missed me by a mile(probably
b/c she is a girl J) and hit the oak bed back.. I heard the phone hit and
just assumed the phone was trashed. It hit really hard. The only thing that
happened was the case popped off. No cracks. no breaks. Phone still works
like it did when it was knew.. 

 

I recommend HTC to anyone and everyone until they show me they don't deserve
to be recommended.

 

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[mailto:android-developers@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Raghav Sood
Sent: Wednesday, April 27, 2011 11:35 AM
To: android-developers@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [android-developers] Phone for development

 

Thanks Pepijn. That helps a lot. I'll most probably do with a HTC now.

Thanks everyone.



On Wed, Apr 27, 2011 at 8:45 PM, Pepijn Van Eeckhoudt
pep...@vaneeckhoudt.net wrote:

On 27/04/2011 16:12, Raghav Sood wrote:

Okay. I'll check that out. Still can someone suggest a reasonably priced
android 2.2 or above phone?
Thanks

Since no one's giving you any advice I'll give it a try ;)

The dev phones I use myself are Motorola Milestone XT720, HTC Desire,
Samsung Galaxy S and a Google Nexus S; one for each OS revision. I know
these are all high-end devices, but I can try to extrapolate my experience
with those.
Objectively, they're all fairly similar for development purposes. I don't
use these phones for anything besides testing so I can't comment on any
Android customizations each vendor might have made. Subjectively, I prefer
the HTC the most in terms of feel and build quality. HTC seems to do a
pretty good with their OS updates as well and they actually use OTA updates
rather than requiring some buggy proprietary tool.

If you stick with HTC the only model they seem to have in the 230 euro / Rp.
15000 price range is the wildfire. The wildfire is listed in Belgium at 229
euro and the wildfire S at 289 euro. The first one is a Froyo device, the
second one Gingerbread.

I don't know about the specific Samsung model you mentioned, but the Galaxy
and Nexus are pretty good too FWIW. The only downsides to Samsung IMO is
that you have to use Kies to perform upgrades which can be a pain and they
feel rather flimsy, plasticy. The HTC has a sturdier feel to it.

Hope this helps,

Pepijn




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Re: [android-developers] Phone for development

2011-04-27 Thread Raghav Sood
Thanks.

Is the Desire a good choice?

On Wed, Apr 27, 2011 at 10:31 PM, Tommy droi...@gmail.com wrote:

 I would HIGHLY recommend HTC…. THEY ARE BEAUTIFUL PHONES! One of my phones
 is the HTC Aria I use for development and my main personal phone…. Great
 phones. An example…. My wife threw a pair of paints at me as hard as she
 could (we were playing around she wasn’t trying to kill me) but she didn’t
 know my HTC was in my pocket… Well the pants missed me by a mile(probably
 b/c she is a girl J) and hit the oak bed back…. I heard the phone hit and
 just assumed the phone was trashed… It hit really hard… The only thing that
 happened was the case popped off… No cracks… no breaks… Phone still works
 like it did when it was knew….



 I recommend HTC to anyone and everyone until they show me they don’t
 deserve to be recommended.



 *From:* android-developers@googlegroups.com [mailto:
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 *Sent:* Wednesday, April 27, 2011 11:35 AM

 *To:* android-developers@googlegroups.com
 *Subject:* Re: [android-developers] Phone for development



 Thanks Pepijn. That helps a lot. I'll most probably do with a HTC now.

 Thanks everyone.

 On Wed, Apr 27, 2011 at 8:45 PM, Pepijn Van Eeckhoudt 
 pep...@vaneeckhoudt.net wrote:

 On 27/04/2011 16:12, Raghav Sood wrote:

 Okay. I'll check that out. Still can someone suggest a reasonably priced
 android 2.2 or above phone?
 Thanks

 Since no one's giving you any advice I'll give it a try ;)

 The dev phones I use myself are Motorola Milestone XT720, HTC Desire,
 Samsung Galaxy S and a Google Nexus S; one for each OS revision. I know
 these are all high-end devices, but I can try to extrapolate my experience
 with those.
 Objectively, they're all fairly similar for development purposes. I don't
 use these phones for anything besides testing so I can't comment on any
 Android customizations each vendor might have made. Subjectively, I prefer
 the HTC the most in terms of feel and build quality. HTC seems to do a
 pretty good with their OS updates as well and they actually use OTA updates
 rather than requiring some buggy proprietary tool.

 If you stick with HTC the only model they seem to have in the 230 euro /
 Rp. 15000 price range is the wildfire. The wildfire is listed in Belgium at
 229 euro and the wildfire S at 289 euro. The first one is a Froyo device,
 the second one Gingerbread.

 I don't know about the specific Samsung model you mentioned, but the Galaxy
 and Nexus are pretty good too FWIW. The only downsides to Samsung IMO is
 that you have to use Kies to perform upgrades which can be a pain and they
 feel rather flimsy, plasticy. The HTC has a sturdier feel to it.

 Hope this helps,

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RE: [android-developers] Phone for development

2011-04-27 Thread Tommy
Here is engadgets review of the desire.
http://www.engadget.com/2010/04/01/htc-desire-review/

 

Accoding the the last section called Wrap-up the first paragraph reads:

 

The Desire is yet another fine piece of work from HTC - build
quality is top notch as usual, and there's little to complain about the
software except for the Flash performance. Some may argue that the Desire
lacks freshness since the Nexus One's already shown it all, but we'd
disagree - at the end of the day it's mainly about the software and
http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/09/google-starts-live-phone-support-to-nexu
s-one-owners/ service, plus the Desire is available from more carriers to
begin with (outside the US, anyway).

 

If I were looking into buy the phone given the review I wouldn't feel bad
about buying it, but that's me.

 

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Subject: Re: [android-developers] Phone for development

 

Thanks. 

Is the Desire a good choice?

On Wed, Apr 27, 2011 at 10:31 PM, Tommy droi...@gmail.com wrote:

I would HIGHLY recommend HTC.. THEY ARE BEAUTIFUL PHONES! One of my phones
is the HTC Aria I use for development and my main personal phone.. Great
phones. An example.. My wife threw a pair of paints at me as hard as she
could (we were playing around she wasn't trying to kill me) but she didn't
know my HTC was in my pocket. Well the pants missed me by a mile(probably
b/c she is a girl J) and hit the oak bed back.. I heard the phone hit and
just assumed the phone was trashed. It hit really hard. The only thing that
happened was the case popped off. No cracks. no breaks. Phone still works
like it did when it was knew.. 

 

I recommend HTC to anyone and everyone until they show me they don't deserve
to be recommended.

 

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To: android-developers@googlegroups.com

Subject: Re: [android-developers] Phone for development

 

Thanks Pepijn. That helps a lot. I'll most probably do with a HTC now.

Thanks everyone.

On Wed, Apr 27, 2011 at 8:45 PM, Pepijn Van Eeckhoudt
pep...@vaneeckhoudt.net wrote:

On 27/04/2011 16:12, Raghav Sood wrote:

Okay. I'll check that out. Still can someone suggest a reasonably priced
android 2.2 or above phone?
Thanks

Since no one's giving you any advice I'll give it a try ;)

The dev phones I use myself are Motorola Milestone XT720, HTC Desire,
Samsung Galaxy S and a Google Nexus S; one for each OS revision. I know
these are all high-end devices, but I can try to extrapolate my experience
with those.
Objectively, they're all fairly similar for development purposes. I don't
use these phones for anything besides testing so I can't comment on any
Android customizations each vendor might have made. Subjectively, I prefer
the HTC the most in terms of feel and build quality. HTC seems to do a
pretty good with their OS updates as well and they actually use OTA updates
rather than requiring some buggy proprietary tool.

If you stick with HTC the only model they seem to have in the 230 euro / Rp.
15000 price range is the wildfire. The wildfire is listed in Belgium at 229
euro and the wildfire S at 289 euro. The first one is a Froyo device, the
second one Gingerbread.

I don't know about the specific Samsung model you mentioned, but the Galaxy
and Nexus are pretty good too FWIW. The only downsides to Samsung IMO is
that you have to use Kies to perform upgrades which can be a pain and they
feel rather flimsy, plasticy. The HTC has a sturdier feel to it.

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Re: [android-developers] Phone for development

2011-04-26 Thread Raghav Sood
Hi,

Thanks for the replies. I would love a Nexus phone but I am 13 years old and
in india its a little expensive for me. My optimus works fine except it has
started losing RAM very fast. When I switch it on there is 340 mb free but
within 48 hours its down to 220mb. Any other phones you can suggest?

Thanks

On Tue, Apr 26, 2011 at 2:03 AM, Tommy droi...@gmail.com wrote:

 I have phones with ATT and you can use them to develop with. As long as
 you push your app via Eclipse… or Whats it… ADB that eclipse automates for
 you… What you CAN NOT do is copy the app to your sd card and install it that
 way.



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 *To:* android-developers@googlegroups.com
 *Subject:* Re: [android-developers] Phone for development



 Raghav,



 All devices work for development use except those on ATT because they
 disable to option to allow sideloading of apps. I personally still user a
 Nexus One as my developers phone since it's pure Google and it is supposed
 to get updates faster.

 On Sat, Apr 23, 2011 at 4:58 PM, Raghav Sood raghavs...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hi,

 I was thinking of buying a new phone for development and zeroed in on Samsung
 Galaxy Pro 
 B7510http://www.samsung.com/in/consumer/mobile-phone/mobile-phone/smartphone/GT-B7510LKAINU/index.idx?pagetype=prd_detail.
 I wanted to know if this is a good choice and if any of you have used it how
 is it? Also will it be better than my current Optimus P500?

 Thanks in advance

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RE: [android-developers] Phone for development

2011-04-26 Thread Tommy
That's not a huge issue. You still have 220mb avail for running apps. my
original droid usually runs with 64mb free and I don't notice any issues..
If you are worried about the ram have you tried ATK(Advanced Task Killer)? I
love it personally and it does a great job at keeping things running
especially if you set up the auto-kill feature every hour or so..

 

Have you considered buying a used phone off ebay? I don't know how it works
in india but that would be all I could suggest on possibly finding a good
price on another phone.

 

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Sent: Tuesday, April 26, 2011 1:10 PM
To: android-developers@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [android-developers] Phone for development

 

Hi, 

Thanks for the replies. I would love a Nexus phone but I am 13 years old and
in india its a little expensive for me. My optimus works fine except it has
started losing RAM very fast. When I switch it on there is 340 mb free but
within 48 hours its down to 220mb. Any other phones you can suggest?

Thanks

On Tue, Apr 26, 2011 at 2:03 AM, Tommy droi...@gmail.com wrote:

I have phones with ATT and you can use them to develop with. As long as you
push your app via Eclipse. or Whats it. ADB that eclipse automates for you.
What you CAN NOT do is copy the app to your sd card and install it that way.

 

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Sent: Sunday, April 24, 2011 10:35 AM
To: android-developers@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [android-developers] Phone for development

 

Raghav,

 

All devices work for development use except those on ATT because they
disable to option to allow sideloading of apps. I personally still user a
Nexus One as my developers phone since it's pure Google and it is supposed
to get updates faster.

On Sat, Apr 23, 2011 at 4:58 PM, Raghav Sood raghavs...@gmail.com wrote:

Hi,

I was thinking of buying a new phone for development and zeroed in on
Samsung Galaxy Pro B7510
http://www.samsung.com/in/consumer/mobile-phone/mobile-phone/smartphone/GT-
B7510LKAINU/index.idx?pagetype=prd_detail . I wanted to know if this is a
good choice and if any of you have used it how is it? Also will it be better
than my current Optimus P500? 

Thanks in advance

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Re: [android-developers] Phone for development

2011-04-26 Thread Raghav Sood
Hi

its 220 mb after 48 hrs. By the end of 5-6 days its down to 80mb and then
the phone starts to hang frequently.Advanced Task killer doesn't help much.
I did consider ebay but in India sometimes the used goods turn out to be
barely working.

If you could suggest a good android phone running atleast froyo for less
than Rs. 15000 I would be happy. Any suggestions to speed my current phone
up are welcome to.

On Tue, Apr 26, 2011 at 11:21 PM, Tommy droi...@gmail.com wrote:

 That’s not a huge issue… You still have 220mb avail for running apps… my
 original droid usually runs with 64mb free and I don’t notice any issues….
 If you are worried about the ram have you tried ATK(Advanced Task Killer)? I
 love it personally and it does a great job at keeping things running
 especially if you set up the auto-kill feature every hour or so….



 Have you considered buying a used phone off ebay? I don’t know how it works
 in india but that would be all I could suggest on possibly finding a good
 price on another phone.



 *From:* android-developers@googlegroups.com [mailto:
 android-developers@googlegroups.com] *On Behalf Of *Raghav Sood
 *Sent:* Tuesday, April 26, 2011 1:10 PM

 *To:* android-developers@googlegroups.com
 *Subject:* Re: [android-developers] Phone for development



 Hi,

 Thanks for the replies. I would love a Nexus phone but I am 13 years old
 and in india its a little expensive for me. My optimus works fine except it
 has started losing RAM very fast. When I switch it on there is 340 mb free
 but within 48 hours its down to 220mb. Any other phones you can suggest?

 Thanks

 On Tue, Apr 26, 2011 at 2:03 AM, Tommy droi...@gmail.com wrote:

 I have phones with ATT and you can use them to develop with. As long as
 you push your app via Eclipse… or Whats it… ADB that eclipse automates for
 you… What you CAN NOT do is copy the app to your sd card and install it that
 way.



 *From:* android-developers@googlegroups.com [mailto:
 android-developers@googlegroups.com] *On Behalf Of *Danny Pimienta
 *Sent:* Sunday, April 24, 2011 10:35 AM
 *To:* android-developers@googlegroups.com
 *Subject:* Re: [android-developers] Phone for development



 Raghav,



 All devices work for development use except those on ATT because they
 disable to option to allow sideloading of apps. I personally still user a
 Nexus One as my developers phone since it's pure Google and it is supposed
 to get updates faster.

 On Sat, Apr 23, 2011 at 4:58 PM, Raghav Sood raghavs...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hi,

 I was thinking of buying a new phone for development and zeroed in on Samsung
 Galaxy Pro 
 B7510http://www.samsung.com/in/consumer/mobile-phone/mobile-phone/smartphone/GT-B7510LKAINU/index.idx?pagetype=prd_detail.
 I wanted to know if this is a good choice and if any of you have used it how
 is it? Also will it be better than my current Optimus P500?

 Thanks in advance

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RE: [android-developers] Phone for development

2011-04-26 Thread Tommy
Hm,

 

That sucks about ATK not working very good for you.. I can't remember the
last time I turned my phone off because of memory issues. Maybe someone else
can give some suggestions on that.

 

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[mailto:android-developers@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Raghav Sood
Sent: Tuesday, April 26, 2011 2:00 PM
To: android-developers@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [android-developers] Phone for development

 

Hi

its 220 mb after 48 hrs. By the end of 5-6 days its down to 80mb and then
the phone starts to hang frequently.Advanced Task killer doesn't help much.
I did consider ebay but in India sometimes the used goods turn out to be
barely working.

If you could suggest a good android phone running atleast froyo for less
than Rs. 15000 I would be happy. Any suggestions to speed my current phone
up are welcome to.

On Tue, Apr 26, 2011 at 11:21 PM, Tommy droi...@gmail.com wrote:

That's not a huge issue. You still have 220mb avail for running apps. my
original droid usually runs with 64mb free and I don't notice any issues..
If you are worried about the ram have you tried ATK(Advanced Task Killer)? I
love it personally and it does a great job at keeping things running
especially if you set up the auto-kill feature every hour or so..

 

Have you considered buying a used phone off ebay? I don't know how it works
in india but that would be all I could suggest on possibly finding a good
price on another phone.

 

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[mailto:android-developers@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Raghav Sood
Sent: Tuesday, April 26, 2011 1:10 PM


To: android-developers@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [android-developers] Phone for development

 

Hi, 

Thanks for the replies. I would love a Nexus phone but I am 13 years old and
in india its a little expensive for me. My optimus works fine except it has
started losing RAM very fast. When I switch it on there is 340 mb free but
within 48 hours its down to 220mb. Any other phones you can suggest?

Thanks

On Tue, Apr 26, 2011 at 2:03 AM, Tommy droi...@gmail.com wrote:

I have phones with ATT and you can use them to develop with. As long as you
push your app via Eclipse. or Whats it. ADB that eclipse automates for you.
What you CAN NOT do is copy the app to your sd card and install it that way.

 

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[mailto:android-developers@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Danny Pimienta
Sent: Sunday, April 24, 2011 10:35 AM
To: android-developers@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [android-developers] Phone for development

 

Raghav,

 

All devices work for development use except those on ATT because they
disable to option to allow sideloading of apps. I personally still user a
Nexus One as my developers phone since it's pure Google and it is supposed
to get updates faster.

On Sat, Apr 23, 2011 at 4:58 PM, Raghav Sood raghavs...@gmail.com wrote:

Hi,

I was thinking of buying a new phone for development and zeroed in on
Samsung Galaxy Pro B7510
http://www.samsung.com/in/consumer/mobile-phone/mobile-phone/smartphone/GT-
B7510LKAINU/index.idx?pagetype=prd_detail . I wanted to know if this is a
good choice and if any of you have used it how is it? Also will it be better
than my current Optimus P500? 

Thanks in advance

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Re: [android-developers] Phone for development

2011-04-26 Thread Kostya Vasilyev
If we are talking about RAM (as opposed to internal storage), well, 
Android kills processes and frees memory as needed. If it's having 
trouble doing that on your phone, perhaps something is interfering? 
Perhaps it's the task killer, as weird as that would sound? Perhaps 
there is some kind of weird interaction with the development process 
(repeated reinstalls, etc.).


If we're talking about internal storage, perhaps there is an application 
that aggressively fills up storage with something? You could try and 
find out if that's the case by using Android's built-in Settings | 
Applications screen, which reports internal storage amounts used by 
applications.


Too many perhapses, perhaps, but perhaps they're worth checking out?

-- Kostya

26.04.2011 22:23, Tommy ?:


Hm,

That sucks about ATK not working very good for you I can't 
remember the last time I turned my phone off because of memory 
issues... Maybe someone else can give some suggestions on that.


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*To:* android-developers@googlegroups.com
*Subject:* Re: [android-developers] Phone for development

Hi

its 220 mb after 48 hrs. By the end of 5-6 days its down to 80mb and 
then the phone starts to hang frequently.Advanced Task killer doesn't 
help much. I did consider ebay but in India sometimes the used goods 
turn out to be barely working.


If you could suggest a good android phone running atleast froyo for 
less than Rs. 15000 I would be happy. Any suggestions to speed my 
current phone up are welcome to.


On Tue, Apr 26, 2011 at 11:21 PM, Tommy droi...@gmail.com 
mailto:droi...@gmail.com wrote:


That's not a huge issue... You still have 220mb avail for running 
apps... my original droid usually runs with 64mb free and I don't 
notice any issues If you are worried about the ram have you tried 
ATK(Advanced Task Killer)? I love it personally and it does a great 
job at keeping things running especially if you set up the auto-kill 
feature every hour or so


Have you considered buying a used phone off ebay? I don't know how it 
works in india but that would be all I could suggest on possibly 
finding a good price on another phone.


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*Subject:* Re: [android-developers] Phone for development

Hi,

Thanks for the replies. I would love a Nexus phone but I am 13 years 
old and in india its a little expensive for me. My optimus works fine 
except it has started losing RAM very fast. When I switch it on there 
is 340 mb free but within 48 hours its down to 220mb. Any other phones 
you can suggest?


Thanks

On Tue, Apr 26, 2011 at 2:03 AM, Tommy droi...@gmail.com 
mailto:droi...@gmail.com wrote:


I have phones with ATT and you can use them to develop with. As long 
as you push your app via Eclipse... or Whats it... ADB that eclipse 
automates for you... What you CAN NOT do is copy the app to your sd 
card and install it that way.


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mailto:android-developers@googlegroups.com] *On Behalf Of *Danny 
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*Subject:* Re: [android-developers] Phone for development

Raghav,

All devices work for development use except those on ATT because they 
disable to option to allow sideloading of apps. I personally still 
user a Nexus One as my developers phone since it's pure Google and it 
is supposed to get updates faster.


On Sat, Apr 23, 2011 at 4:58 PM, Raghav Sood raghavs...@gmail.com 
mailto:raghavs...@gmail.com wrote:


Hi,

I was thinking of buying a new phone for development and zeroed in on 
Samsung Galaxy Pro B7510 
http://www.samsung.com/in/consumer/mobile-phone/mobile-phone/smartphone/GT-B7510LKAINU/index.idx?pagetype=prd_detail. 
I wanted to know if this is a good choice and if any of you have used 
it how is it? Also will it be better than my current Optimus P500?


Thanks in advance

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Re: [android-developers] Phone for development

2011-04-25 Thread Danny Pimienta
Raghav,

All devices work for development use except those on ATT because they
disable to option to allow sideloading of apps. I personally still user a
Nexus One as my developers phone since it's pure Google and it is supposed
to get updates faster.

On Sat, Apr 23, 2011 at 4:58 PM, Raghav Sood raghavs...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hi,

 I was thinking of buying a new phone for development and zeroed in on Samsung
 Galaxy Pro 
 B7510http://www.samsung.com/in/consumer/mobile-phone/mobile-phone/smartphone/GT-B7510LKAINU/index.idx?pagetype=prd_detail.
 I wanted to know if this is a good choice and if any of you have used it how
 is it? Also will it be better than my current Optimus P500?

 Thanks in advance

 --
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 http://www.raghavsood.com/
 http://www.androidappcheck.com/
 http://www.telstop.tel/

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RE: [android-developers] Phone for development

2011-04-25 Thread Tommy
I have phones with ATT and you can use them to develop with. As long as you
push your app via Eclipse. or Whats it. ADB that eclipse automates for you.
What you CAN NOT do is copy the app to your sd card and install it that way.

 

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To: android-developers@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [android-developers] Phone for development

 

Raghav,

 

All devices work for development use except those on ATT because they
disable to option to allow sideloading of apps. I personally still user a
Nexus One as my developers phone since it's pure Google and it is supposed
to get updates faster.

On Sat, Apr 23, 2011 at 4:58 PM, Raghav Sood raghavs...@gmail.com wrote:

Hi,

I was thinking of buying a new phone for development and zeroed in on
Samsung Galaxy Pro B7510
http://www.samsung.com/in/consumer/mobile-phone/mobile-phone/smartphone/GT-
B7510LKAINU/index.idx?pagetype=prd_detail . I wanted to know if this is a
good choice and if any of you have used it how is it? Also will it be better
than my current Optimus P500? 

Thanks in advance

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Raghav Sood
http://www.raghavsood.com/
http://www.androidappcheck.com/

http://www.telstop.tel/

 

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[android-developers] Phone for development

2011-04-23 Thread Raghav Sood
Hi,

I was thinking of buying a new phone for development and zeroed in on Samsung
Galaxy Pro 
B7510http://www.samsung.com/in/consumer/mobile-phone/mobile-phone/smartphone/GT-B7510LKAINU/index.idx?pagetype=prd_detail.
I wanted to know if this is a good choice and if any of you have used it how
is it? Also will it be better than my current Optimus P500?

Thanks in advance

-- 
Raghav Sood
http://www.raghavsood.com/
http://www.androidappcheck.com/
http://www.telstop.tel/

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