[android-developers] Re: My Eclipse 3.5 always lag and have to force close - why?
OK. I'm not 100% certain that the command line will take precedence over the eclipse.ini. You might want to edit the -Xmx512m there. Except that with a drive letter like L:, I'm surmising that you're running it from a network share? This may cause some significant performance problems, and is not something I would recommend. That wouldn't cause you to run out of memory, though. But you might want to experiment with a local copy. Private working set is not relevant to running out of memory. working set merely indicates, out of all the memory allocated in this process, how much is actually in RAM? It is relevant to competing for RAM with other processes, and thus paging slowdowns. By Commit size is now 381.500 kB, you mean 381.5 MB? For this one process? (Just checking). That is perhaps about right for a setting of -Xmx512m, with the GC factored in, etc. It is not consistent with running out of a 1GB allocation. (And I'm not sure the 32-bit version of Java can actually handle a heap of that size; I don't recall the limit, but I think you're not that far from it at best. I do recall it changing from release to release and finding a server stopped working as a result...) So one possibility is that the Eclipse launcher may be dropping that setting without telling you, just because it's too big. One thing you can do, if you haven't already: In Eclipse, go to Windows / Preferences... / General and check Show Heap Status. This puts a field in the status bar that shows Java's idea of how much Java heap it has allocated, and the current limit (i.e. the upper number will grow from -XmsXXXm to -XmxYYYm). This is an easy way to see Eclipse's GC status. On Aug 4, 10:37 pm, Kaj Bjurman kaj.bjur...@gmail.com wrote: Eclipse is started using a shortcut: Galileo L:\eclipse-jee-galileo-win32\eclipse\eclipse.exe -vmargs -Xmx1324m Ganymede L:\eclipse\eclipse.exe -vmargs -Xmx1324m (I'm having the same problem in both) eclipse.ini says: --launcher.library plugins/org.eclipse.equinox.launcher.win32.win32.x86_1.0.200.v20090519 -startup plugins/org.eclipse.equinox.launcher_1.0.201.R35x_v20090715.jar -product org.eclipse.epp.package.jee.product --launcher.XXMaxPermSize 256M -showsplash org.eclipse.platform --launcher.XXMaxPermSize 256m -vmargs -Dosgi.requiredJavaVersion=1.5 -Xms40m -Xmx512m The java version that is in path: java version 1.6.0_13 Java(TM) SE Runtime Environment (build 1.6.0_13-b03) Java HotSpot(TM) Client VM (build 11.3-b02, mixed mode, sharing) I only checked the process in task manager, but I also made the columns for handles, threads and user objects visible. The number of threads was only about 40 which surprised me. (An fresh started Eclipse on my system has about 28 threads) Memory (Private working set) was about 400.000 kB. I did not check commit size, I tonigh when I got time to provoke Eclipse again. The paging size looked normal. I now saw that that Eclipse only used revision 5 of the Android SDK Tools. I started a fresh Eclipse, opened up Android SDK and AVD Manager, selected to install all available packages, and then bumbed into the same error again (so it took less than 2 minutes) Commit size is now 381.500 kB, Private working set 327.048 kB, Threads 26, Handles 506 On 5 Aug, 03:44, Bob Kerns r...@acm.org wrote: OK, this is good information. You are, in fact, running out of memory -- somehow. I've see this, but seldom as performance starts to suck for me long before. How exactly are you allocating memory for Java? How are you starting Eclipse? And when you were checking how much memory Eclipse was using, how did you check that, exactly? It sounds like you used the task manager -- what is the exact title of the column you used? Task manager is not ideal for looking at this, but the only column that is actually relevant out of the 7 memory columns available is Memory - Commit size. But the relationship between that and Java's GC'd heap memory allocation is tenuous. About the only thing you can say is that Memory - Commit size will be greater than the amount of memory Java is actively using in its heap. Did you check your paging file space? That's another way you can run out of memory. And finally, it may report this error when you've run out of native threads. That is, in fact, WHERE you are running out of memory, though it may not be the specific cause. Check the Threads column. With Galileo, and Rev 6 of the Android SDK tools, I don't see a thread leak. In fact, my thread count was initially 47, went up to 52 briefly while auto-building my project, and then as I started looking at layouts, it has gone down to 37, and I don't seem to find anything with layouts that bumps it up at all. If you see a different behavior, then we have a clue. (Otherwise, it's still a clue, but a weak one). On Aug 4, 2:00 pm, Kaj Bjurman kaj.bjur...@gmail.com wrote: I just provoked my Eclipse
[android-developers] Re: My Eclipse 3.5 always lag and have to force close - why?
It is taking precedence. Setting it to e.g. 2000M (using a 32 bit VM) stops Eclipse from starting stating the normal could not create Java virtual machine. No, L: is a local disk. :) Yes, 381.500 kB is about 381 MB . The 32 bit VM on my OS can create a VM with more than 1GB as Xmx, the limit is close to what I use as an argument. Trying to set -Xmx to a too large value will stop the VM from starting, at startup time, and not later. I talked to another developer who also is writing Android applications .He has not had any problems on a 32 bit version of Windows. (I'm using Windows Vista Ultimate 64 bit) On 5 Aug, 09:09, Bob Kerns r...@acm.org wrote: OK. I'm not 100% certain that the command line will take precedence over the eclipse.ini. You might want to edit the -Xmx512m there. Except that with a drive letter like L:, I'm surmising that you're running it from a network share? This may cause some significant performance problems, and is not something I would recommend. That wouldn't cause you to run out of memory, though. But you might want to experiment with a local copy. Private working set is not relevant to running out of memory. working set merely indicates, out of all the memory allocated in this process, how much is actually in RAM? It is relevant to competing for RAM with other processes, and thus paging slowdowns. By Commit size is now 381.500 kB, you mean 381.5 MB? For this one process? (Just checking). That is perhaps about right for a setting of -Xmx512m, with the GC factored in, etc. It is not consistent with running out of a 1GB allocation. (And I'm not sure the 32-bit version of Java can actually handle a heap of that size; I don't recall the limit, but I think you're not that far from it at best. I do recall it changing from release to release and finding a server stopped working as a result...) So one possibility is that the Eclipse launcher may be dropping that setting without telling you, just because it's too big. One thing you can do, if you haven't already: In Eclipse, go to Windows / Preferences... / General and check Show Heap Status. This puts a field in the status bar that shows Java's idea of how much Java heap it has allocated, and the current limit (i.e. the upper number will grow from -XmsXXXm to -XmxYYYm). This is an easy way to see Eclipse's GC status. On Aug 4, 10:37 pm, Kaj Bjurman kaj.bjur...@gmail.com wrote: Eclipse is started using a shortcut: Galileo L:\eclipse-jee-galileo-win32\eclipse\eclipse.exe -vmargs -Xmx1324m Ganymede L:\eclipse\eclipse.exe -vmargs -Xmx1324m (I'm having the same problem in both) eclipse.ini says: --launcher.library plugins/org.eclipse.equinox.launcher.win32.win32.x86_1.0.200.v20090519 -startup plugins/org.eclipse.equinox.launcher_1.0.201.R35x_v20090715.jar -product org.eclipse.epp.package.jee.product --launcher.XXMaxPermSize 256M -showsplash org.eclipse.platform --launcher.XXMaxPermSize 256m -vmargs -Dosgi.requiredJavaVersion=1.5 -Xms40m -Xmx512m The java version that is in path: java version 1.6.0_13 Java(TM) SE Runtime Environment (build 1.6.0_13-b03) Java HotSpot(TM) Client VM (build 11.3-b02, mixed mode, sharing) I only checked the process in task manager, but I also made the columns for handles, threads and user objects visible. The number of threads was only about 40 which surprised me. (An fresh started Eclipse on my system has about 28 threads) Memory (Private working set) was about 400.000 kB. I did not check commit size, I tonigh when I got time to provoke Eclipse again. The paging size looked normal. I now saw that that Eclipse only used revision 5 of the Android SDK Tools. I started a fresh Eclipse, opened up Android SDK and AVD Manager, selected to install all available packages, and then bumbed into the same error again (so it took less than 2 minutes) Commit size is now 381.500 kB, Private working set 327.048 kB, Threads 26, Handles 506 On 5 Aug, 03:44, Bob Kerns r...@acm.org wrote: OK, this is good information. You are, in fact, running out of memory -- somehow. I've see this, but seldom as performance starts to suck for me long before. How exactly are you allocating memory for Java? How are you starting Eclipse? And when you were checking how much memory Eclipse was using, how did you check that, exactly? It sounds like you used the task manager -- what is the exact title of the column you used? Task manager is not ideal for looking at this, but the only column that is actually relevant out of the 7 memory columns available is Memory - Commit size. But the relationship between that and Java's GC'd heap memory allocation is tenuous. About the only thing you can say is that Memory - Commit size will be greater than the amount of memory Java is actively using in its heap. Did you check your paging file space? That's another way you can run
[android-developers] Re: My Eclipse 3.5 always lag and have to force close - why?
Btw. I'm actually not sure that the problem really is an out of memory exception. Yes, the log says so, but I think it's caused by an other unhandled exception, and then something is catching that exception and throws an out of memory exception. Don't know why, but that is a hunch that I get. On 5 Aug, 09:09, Bob Kerns r...@acm.org wrote: OK. I'm not 100% certain that the command line will take precedence over the eclipse.ini. You might want to edit the -Xmx512m there. Except that with a drive letter like L:, I'm surmising that you're running it from a network share? This may cause some significant performance problems, and is not something I would recommend. That wouldn't cause you to run out of memory, though. But you might want to experiment with a local copy. Private working set is not relevant to running out of memory. working set merely indicates, out of all the memory allocated in this process, how much is actually in RAM? It is relevant to competing for RAM with other processes, and thus paging slowdowns. By Commit size is now 381.500 kB, you mean 381.5 MB? For this one process? (Just checking). That is perhaps about right for a setting of -Xmx512m, with the GC factored in, etc. It is not consistent with running out of a 1GB allocation. (And I'm not sure the 32-bit version of Java can actually handle a heap of that size; I don't recall the limit, but I think you're not that far from it at best. I do recall it changing from release to release and finding a server stopped working as a result...) So one possibility is that the Eclipse launcher may be dropping that setting without telling you, just because it's too big. One thing you can do, if you haven't already: In Eclipse, go to Windows / Preferences... / General and check Show Heap Status. This puts a field in the status bar that shows Java's idea of how much Java heap it has allocated, and the current limit (i.e. the upper number will grow from -XmsXXXm to -XmxYYYm). This is an easy way to see Eclipse's GC status. On Aug 4, 10:37 pm, Kaj Bjurman kaj.bjur...@gmail.com wrote: Eclipse is started using a shortcut: Galileo L:\eclipse-jee-galileo-win32\eclipse\eclipse.exe -vmargs -Xmx1324m Ganymede L:\eclipse\eclipse.exe -vmargs -Xmx1324m (I'm having the same problem in both) eclipse.ini says: --launcher.library plugins/org.eclipse.equinox.launcher.win32.win32.x86_1.0.200.v20090519 -startup plugins/org.eclipse.equinox.launcher_1.0.201.R35x_v20090715.jar -product org.eclipse.epp.package.jee.product --launcher.XXMaxPermSize 256M -showsplash org.eclipse.platform --launcher.XXMaxPermSize 256m -vmargs -Dosgi.requiredJavaVersion=1.5 -Xms40m -Xmx512m The java version that is in path: java version 1.6.0_13 Java(TM) SE Runtime Environment (build 1.6.0_13-b03) Java HotSpot(TM) Client VM (build 11.3-b02, mixed mode, sharing) I only checked the process in task manager, but I also made the columns for handles, threads and user objects visible. The number of threads was only about 40 which surprised me. (An fresh started Eclipse on my system has about 28 threads) Memory (Private working set) was about 400.000 kB. I did not check commit size, I tonigh when I got time to provoke Eclipse again. The paging size looked normal. I now saw that that Eclipse only used revision 5 of the Android SDK Tools. I started a fresh Eclipse, opened up Android SDK and AVD Manager, selected to install all available packages, and then bumbed into the same error again (so it took less than 2 minutes) Commit size is now 381.500 kB, Private working set 327.048 kB, Threads 26, Handles 506 On 5 Aug, 03:44, Bob Kerns r...@acm.org wrote: OK, this is good information. You are, in fact, running out of memory -- somehow. I've see this, but seldom as performance starts to suck for me long before. How exactly are you allocating memory for Java? How are you starting Eclipse? And when you were checking how much memory Eclipse was using, how did you check that, exactly? It sounds like you used the task manager -- what is the exact title of the column you used? Task manager is not ideal for looking at this, but the only column that is actually relevant out of the 7 memory columns available is Memory - Commit size. But the relationship between that and Java's GC'd heap memory allocation is tenuous. About the only thing you can say is that Memory - Commit size will be greater than the amount of memory Java is actively using in its heap. Did you check your paging file space? That's another way you can run out of memory. And finally, it may report this error when you've run out of native threads. That is, in fact, WHERE you are running out of memory, though it may not be the specific cause. Check the Threads column. With Galileo, and Rev 6 of the Android SDK tools, I don't see a thread leak. In fact,
Re: [android-developers] Re: My Eclipse 3.5 always lag and have to force close - why?
I'll have to explicitly 100% agree with Bob here: Until around mid May I was using the previous model MacBookPro with 4GB dual core (and Ubuntu) for my Android development and after a fair amount of tweaking I could barely run Eclipse for a week. After switching to the new MacBookPro with 8GB and quad core, Eclipse is no longer a real issue. Sure an SSD would be nice, but no deal breaker (not enough to pay more for a smaller disk). Good luck / Jonas -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Android Developers group. To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en
[android-developers] Re: My Eclipse 3.5 always lag and have to force close - why?
I think there's some memory leak issue if editing XML files. I realise if I only open .java it is ok. So maybe a temp work around is to edit xml file with editor and open only .java in eclipse? On Aug 4, 10:17 am, Doug beafd...@gmail.com wrote: The issue isn't what else is running on the computer. The issue is that Eclipse gets into an unrecoverable state where it lags horribly when switching between editors, at least on OSX. I can typically go 5 or 6 hours of steady use (more with intermittent use) until that state kicks in for me (MacBook Pro, 4GB, 2.4GHz Core 2 Duo). Quitting other apps at that point doesn't make any difference. The resource leak explanation is the only one that makes sense given my observations, which are daily since I do this to pay my mortgage. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Android Developers group. To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en
Re: [android-developers] Re: My Eclipse 3.5 always lag and have to force close - why?
I may be kicking in open doors here, but have you tried this old stuff? http://www.luisdelarosa.com/2005/04/03/how-to-get-better-memory-settings-for-eclipse-on-mac-os-x/ For me (Ubuntu - see previous post for details) this worked fairly OK on my old 4GB system: eclipse -Xmx150m This included a fair bit of XML editing on top of java. (I did lot of GUI stuff around that time.) I can't say I love Eclipse (I'm an old emacs addict), but it's not too shabby once you got the memory handling under some control (on a fast machine) - known alternatives considered. Good luck / Jonas On 08/04/2010 04:17 AM, Doug wrote: The issue isn't what else is running on the computer. The issue is that Eclipse gets into an unrecoverable state where it lags horribly when switching between editors, at least on OSX. I can typically go 5 or 6 hours of steady use (more with intermittent use) until that state kicks in for me (MacBook Pro, 4GB, 2.4GHz Core 2 Duo). Quitting other apps at that point doesn't make any difference. The resource leak explanation is the only one that makes sense given my observations, which are daily since I do this to pay my mortgage. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Android Developers group. To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en
Re: [android-developers] Re: My Eclipse 3.5 always lag and have to force close - why?
This looks likely. I can run Eclipse all day on a 4G Windows 64bit machine, but I edit my layouts by hand, without the visual editor. -- Kostya 04.08.2010 11:00, Mystique пишет: I think there's some memory leak issue if editing XML files. I realise if I only open .java it is ok. So maybe a temp work around is to edit xml file with editor and open only .java in eclipse? On Aug 4, 10:17 am, Dougbeafd...@gmail.com wrote: The issue isn't what else is running on the computer. The issue is that Eclipse gets into an unrecoverable state where it lags horribly when switching between editors, at least on OSX. I can typically go 5 or 6 hours of steady use (more with intermittent use) until that state kicks in for me (MacBook Pro, 4GB, 2.4GHz Core 2 Duo). Quitting other apps at that point doesn't make any difference. The resource leak explanation is the only one that makes sense given my observations, which are daily since I do this to pay my mortgage. -- Kostya Vasilev -- WiFi Manager + pretty widget -- http://kmansoft.wordpress.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Android Developers group. To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en
Re: [android-developers] Re: My Eclipse 3.5 always lag and have to force close - why?
Ah, I think I can relate to that statement: for 95+% of the XML editing I referred to I used Eclipse itself, but like Kostya I stayed mostly in the XML view, only an occasional glance at the graphical layout since (at least for my cases) I decided the visual layout could not really be trusted. Showing it in the emulator was the only way to know that it actually worked as expected (yes, I had a rather picky spec to follow and in a few cases I actually pulled out emacs for significant restructuring, so I may have accidentally been lucky to manage for a week). Best / Jonas On 08/04/2010 11:55 AM, Kostya Vasilyev wrote: This looks likely. I can run Eclipse all day on a 4G Windows 64bit machine, but I edit my layouts by hand, without the visual editor. 04.08.2010 11:00, Mystique пишет: I think there's some memory leak issue if editing XML files. I realise if I only open .java it is ok. So maybe a temp work around is to edit xml file with editor and open only .java in eclipse? On Aug 4, 10:17 am, Dougbeafd...@gmail.com wrote: The issue isn't what else is running on the computer. The issue is that Eclipse gets into an unrecoverable state where it lags horribly when switching between editors, at least on OSX. I can typically go 5 or 6 hours of steady use (more with intermittent use) until that state kicks in for me (MacBook Pro, 4GB, 2.4GHz Core 2 Duo). Quitting other apps at that point doesn't make any difference. The resource leak explanation is the only one that makes sense given my observations, which are daily since I do this to pay my mortgage. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Android Developers group. To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en
[android-developers] Re: My Eclipse 3.5 always lag and have to force close - why?
Here are the settings I changed in my eclipse.ini after encountering this problem: -vm /System/Library/Frameworks/JavaVM.framework/Versions/1.6.0/Home/bin/ java -vmargs -Dosgi.requiredJavaVersion=1.6 -XX:MaxPermSize=256m -Xms1024m -Xmx1024m I can code all day long and leave Eclipse open for a week at a time, and have no issues. It's only when doing Android stuff that I have these issues. In fact, while doing some iPhone development, I had the iPhone environment up (Xcode, Simulator) with Eclipse and a Java server (Tomcat, MySQL), all with Firefox and iTunes up and running, and did not have this problem. And I don't need to run the Android Emulator for it to happen. I'm going to try not using any of the Android resource editors and see how that goes (I currently only use the source tab of these editors and that still causes the issue). On Aug 4, 6:46 am, Jonas Petersson jonas.peters...@xms.se wrote: Ah, I think I can relate to that statement: for 95+% of the XML editing I referred to I used Eclipse itself, but like Kostya I stayed mostly in the XML view, only an occasional glance at the graphical layout since (at least for my cases) I decided the visual layout could not really be trusted. Showing it in the emulator was the only way to know that it actually worked as expected (yes, I had a rather picky spec to follow and in a few cases I actually pulled out emacs for significant restructuring, so I may have accidentally been lucky to manage for a week). Best / Jonas On 08/04/2010 11:55 AM, Kostya Vasilyev wrote: This looks likely. I can run Eclipse all day on a 4G Windows 64bit machine, but I edit my layouts by hand, without the visual editor. 04.08.2010 11:00, Mystique пишет: I think there's some memory leak issue if editing XML files. I realise if I only open .java it is ok. So maybe a temp work around is to edit xml file with editor and open only .java in eclipse? On Aug 4, 10:17 am, Dougbeafd...@gmail.com wrote: The issue isn't what else is running on the computer. The issue is that Eclipse gets into an unrecoverable state where it lags horribly when switching between editors, at least on OSX. I can typically go 5 or 6 hours of steady use (more with intermittent use) until that state kicks in for me (MacBook Pro, 4GB, 2.4GHz Core 2 Duo). Quitting other apps at that point doesn't make any difference. The resource leak explanation is the only one that makes sense given my observations, which are daily since I do this to pay my mortgage. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Android Developers group. To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en
[android-developers] Re: My Eclipse 3.5 always lag and have to force close - why?
I think it was stated previously in this thread. The problem isn't Eclipse. The problem is the Android plugin. I'm using Eclipse more than 8h per day at work, and I don't have any problems there (I'm not doing any Android development at work). I can also use Eclipse at home without any problems if I never switch to the design view, or edit Android xml files. Switching to design view or editing xml files means that my Eclipse (tested several different versions) craches within one hour. Often several times per hour, and it's always a related to a memory problem, and it's due to leaking handles. Looks like it's either directly related to editing, or generation of R. (And I'm having a 64 bit machine with 8 GB of RAM) On 4 Aug, 13:46, Jonas Petersson jonas.peters...@xms.se wrote: Ah, I think I can relate to that statement: for 95+% of the XML editing I referred to I used Eclipse itself, but like Kostya I stayed mostly in the XML view, only an occasional glance at the graphical layout since (at least for my cases) I decided the visual layout could not really be trusted. Showing it in the emulator was the only way to know that it actually worked as expected (yes, I had a rather picky spec to follow and in a few cases I actually pulled out emacs for significant restructuring, so I may have accidentally been lucky to manage for a week). Best / Jonas On 08/04/2010 11:55 AM, Kostya Vasilyev wrote: This looks likely. I can run Eclipse all day on a 4G Windows 64bit machine, but I edit my layouts by hand, without the visual editor. 04.08.2010 11:00, Mystique пишет: I think there's some memory leak issue if editing XML files. I realise if I only open .java it is ok. So maybe a temp work around is to edit xml file with editor and open only .java in eclipse? On Aug 4, 10:17 am, Dougbeafd...@gmail.com wrote: The issue isn't what else is running on the computer. The issue is that Eclipse gets into an unrecoverable state where it lags horribly when switching between editors, at least on OSX. I can typically go 5 or 6 hours of steady use (more with intermittent use) until that state kicks in for me (MacBook Pro, 4GB, 2.4GHz Core 2 Duo). Quitting other apps at that point doesn't make any difference. The resource leak explanation is the only one that makes sense given my observations, which are daily since I do this to pay my mortgage. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Android Developers group. To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en
Re: [android-developers] Re: My Eclipse 3.5 always lag and have to force close - why?
On 08/04/2010 05:00 PM, Kaj Bjurman wrote: I think it was stated previously in this thread. The problem isn't Eclipse. The problem is the Android plugin. I would agree on that one, I use Eclipse for Flex and although there are other kinds of issues there, the Andorid plugins appears to be the culprit. I'm using Eclipse more than 8h per day at work, and I don't have any problems there (I'm not doing any Android development at work). I can also use Eclipse at home without any problems if I never switch to the design view, or edit Android xml files. This is what I did not experience. I could work full time in an Android project for a week with a fair bit of editing Android XML files (though minimally in the design view). This was on a MacBookPro with 4GB of ram, running Ubuntu 9.10 - note that for various reasons I was using the 32bit version and hence needed the PAE kernel. I doubt the PAE makes a difference, but 32bit might? Switching to design view or editing xml files means that my Eclipse (tested several different versions) craches within one hour. Often several times per hour, and it's always a related to a memory problem, and it's due to leaking handles. Looks like it's either directly related to editing, or generation of R. (And I'm having a 64 bit machine with 8 GB of RAM) Ouch! That *IS* bad. I can see why you get frustrated from that. I thought I had a bad time when I was only on 3GB for a while, but even then I'd be OK for at least 4 hours. Obviously our context differs. I'm using Galileo, btw. Seemed like an improvement over Ganymedes overall, but I doubt the plugin works differently. Mad thought: On a 8GB system you could run a Vmware/VirtualBox installation with 4GB of what I outlined above to see if it works better (I do that trick for a mobile platform that doesn't fully support Ubuntu yet). Your mileage varies! / Jonas -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Android Developers group. To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en
[android-developers] Re: My Eclipse 3.5 always lag and have to force close - why?
The Eclipse UI editor for Qt (which is similarly XML based) exhibits similar behavior -- some things you can do OK, but certain complex operations crash the editor (and sometimes Eclipse) with fair regularity. You learn to save your layouts frequently. Re poor performance in general, folks with Win64 should start Task Manager from time to time and note CPU usage. There is a bug rampant in Vista and not unlikely in Win7 that causes some sort of background activity causing 40-60% CPU utilization, with nothing else going on, and no process showing more than 2%. (System Idle Process shows 85-90%.) Folks with desktop boxes might miss this, but folks with laptops notice it because the CPU fan is running full bore when nothing is going on. Once this scenario starts you can only kill it by rebooting or hibernating. Another performance killer is the Windows indexing service. On Aug 4, 10:00 am, Kaj Bjurman kaj.bjur...@gmail.com wrote: I think it was stated previously in this thread. The problem isn't Eclipse. The problem is the Android plugin. I'm using Eclipse more than 8h per day at work, and I don't have any problems there (I'm not doing any Android development at work). I can also use Eclipse at home without any problems if I never switch to the design view, or edit Android xml files. Switching to design view or editing xml files means that my Eclipse (tested several different versions) craches within one hour. Often several times per hour, and it's always a related to a memory problem, and it's due to leaking handles. Looks like it's either directly related to editing, or generation of R. (And I'm having a 64 bit machine with 8 GB of RAM) On 4 Aug, 13:46, Jonas Petersson jonas.peters...@xms.se wrote: Ah, I think I can relate to that statement: for 95+% of the XML editing I referred to I used Eclipse itself, but like Kostya I stayed mostly in the XML view, only an occasional glance at the graphical layout since (at least for my cases) I decided the visual layout could not really be trusted. Showing it in the emulator was the only way to know that it actually worked as expected (yes, I had a rather picky spec to follow and in a few cases I actually pulled out emacs for significant restructuring, so I may have accidentally been lucky to manage for a week). Best / Jonas On 08/04/2010 11:55 AM, Kostya Vasilyev wrote: This looks likely. I can run Eclipse all day on a 4G Windows 64bit machine, but I edit my layouts by hand, without the visual editor. 04.08.2010 11:00, Mystique пишет: I think there's some memory leak issue if editing XML files. I realise if I only open .java it is ok. So maybe a temp work around is to edit xml file with editor and open only .java in eclipse? On Aug 4, 10:17 am, Dougbeafd...@gmail.com wrote: The issue isn't what else is running on the computer. The issue is that Eclipse gets into an unrecoverable state where it lags horribly when switching between editors, at least on OSX. I can typically go 5 or 6 hours of steady use (more with intermittent use) until that state kicks in for me (MacBook Pro, 4GB, 2.4GHz Core 2 Duo). Quitting other apps at that point doesn't make any difference. The resource leak explanation is the only one that makes sense given my observations, which are daily since I do this to pay my mortgage. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Android Developers group. To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en
[android-developers] Re: My Eclipse 3.5 always lag and have to force close - why?
I just provoked my Eclipse again, just to see what the error message is. I remembered it as out of handles, but that was a bit wrong. I checked the process in the task manager when it was in the error state. It isn't out of memory, and it's probably not out of handles. The CPUs are also idle, so nothing is spinning. The error from Eclipse is a dialog that says: Multiple problems have occured (as title) The error message is then, unable to create new native thread. Followed by a textfield that is displaying: Collecting garbage Collecting garbage Unhandled event loop exception unable to create new native thread The eclipse error log can be seen below. Eclipse was at that time taking about 400 MB of memory (of the 1300M that I had assigned to the VM) It took me about 10-15 minutes. All I did was editing one layout file, switched between layout view, then edited the xml directly, changed some properties through the property view, saved quite frequently, even with compilation errors, and also tried keep editing while it was saving. This never happens when I write code in Eclipse. !ENTRY org.eclipse.core.resources 8 2 2010-08-04 22:40:49.414 !MESSAGE Problems occurred when invoking code from plug-in: org.eclipse.core.resources. !STACK 1 org.eclipse.core.runtime.CoreException: 'aapt' error. Pre Compiler Build aborted. at com.android.ide.eclipse.adt.internal.build.BaseBuilder.stopBuild(Unknown Source) at com.android.ide.eclipse.adt.internal.build.PreCompilerBuilder.build(Unknown Source) at org.eclipse.core.internal.events.BuildManager $2.run(BuildManager.java:627) at org.eclipse.core.runtime.SafeRunner.run(SafeRunner.java:42) at org.eclipse.core.internal.events.BuildManager.basicBuild(BuildManager.java: 170) at org.eclipse.core.internal.events.BuildManager.basicBuild(BuildManager.java: 201) at org.eclipse.core.internal.events.BuildManager $1.run(BuildManager.java:253) at org.eclipse.core.runtime.SafeRunner.run(SafeRunner.java:42) at org.eclipse.core.internal.events.BuildManager.basicBuild(BuildManager.java: 256) at org.eclipse.core.internal.events.BuildManager.basicBuildLoop(BuildManager.java: 309) at org.eclipse.core.internal.events.BuildManager.build(BuildManager.java: 341) at org.eclipse.core.internal.events.AutoBuildJob.doBuild(AutoBuildJob.java: 140) at org.eclipse.core.internal.events.AutoBuildJob.run(AutoBuildJob.java: 238) at org.eclipse.core.internal.jobs.Worker.run(Worker.java:55) !SUBENTRY 1 com.android.ide.eclipse.adt 8 0 2010-08-04 22:40:49.414 !MESSAGE 'aapt' error. Pre Compiler Build aborted. !SUBENTRY 1 com.android.ide.eclipse.adt 8 0 2010-08-04 22:40:49.414 !MESSAGE 'aapt' error. Pre Compiler Build aborted. !ENTRY org.eclipse.ui 4 0 2010-08-04 22:45:29.067 !MESSAGE Unhandled event loop exception !STACK 0 java.lang.OutOfMemoryError: unable to create new native thread at java.lang.Thread.start0(Native Method) at java.lang.Thread.start(Unknown Source) at org.eclipse.jface.text.contentassist.AdditionalInfoController $Timer.init(AdditionalInfoController.java:244) at org.eclipse.jface.text.contentassist.AdditionalInfoController $10.init(AdditionalInfoController.java:457) at org.eclipse.jface.text.contentassist.AdditionalInfoController.install(AdditionalInfoController.java: 457) at org.eclipse.jface.text.contentassist.CompletionProposalPopup.displayProposals(CompletionProposalPopup.java: 1198) at org.eclipse.jface.text.contentassist.CompletionProposalPopup.access $23(CompletionProposalPopup.java:1157) at org.eclipse.jface.text.contentassist.CompletionProposalPopup $2.run(CompletionProposalPopup.java:500) at org.eclipse.swt.custom.BusyIndicator.showWhile(BusyIndicator.java: 70) at org.eclipse.jface.text.contentassist.CompletionProposalPopup.showProposals(CompletionProposalPopup.java: 482) at org.eclipse.jface.text.contentassist.ContentAssistant.showPossibleCompletions(ContentAssistant.java: 1660) at org.eclipse.wst.sse.ui.internal.StructuredTextViewer.doOperation(StructuredTextViewer.java: 446) at org.eclipse.ui.texteditor.TextOperationAction $1.run(TextOperationAction.java:131) at org.eclipse.swt.custom.BusyIndicator.showWhile(BusyIndicator.java: 70) at org.eclipse.ui.texteditor.TextOperationAction.run(TextOperationAction.java: 129) at org.eclipse.jface.action.Action.runWithEvent(Action.java:498) at org.eclipse.ui.commands.ActionHandler.execute(ActionHandler.java: 185) at org.eclipse.ui.internal.handlers.LegacyHandlerWrapper.execute(LegacyHandlerWrapper.java: 109) at org.eclipse.core.commands.Command.executeWithChecks(Command.java: 476) at org.eclipse.core.commands.ParameterizedCommand.executeWithChecks(ParameterizedCommand.java: 508) at
[android-developers] Re: My Eclipse 3.5 always lag and have to force close - why?
OK, this is good information. You are, in fact, running out of memory -- somehow. I've see this, but seldom as performance starts to suck for me long before. How exactly are you allocating memory for Java? How are you starting Eclipse? And when you were checking how much memory Eclipse was using, how did you check that, exactly? It sounds like you used the task manager -- what is the exact title of the column you used? Task manager is not ideal for looking at this, but the only column that is actually relevant out of the 7 memory columns available is Memory - Commit size. But the relationship between that and Java's GC'd heap memory allocation is tenuous. About the only thing you can say is that Memory - Commit size will be greater than the amount of memory Java is actively using in its heap. Did you check your paging file space? That's another way you can run out of memory. And finally, it may report this error when you've run out of native threads. That is, in fact, WHERE you are running out of memory, though it may not be the specific cause. Check the Threads column. With Galileo, and Rev 6 of the Android SDK tools, I don't see a thread leak. In fact, my thread count was initially 47, went up to 52 briefly while auto-building my project, and then as I started looking at layouts, it has gone down to 37, and I don't seem to find anything with layouts that bumps it up at all. If you see a different behavior, then we have a clue. (Otherwise, it's still a clue, but a weak one). On Aug 4, 2:00 pm, Kaj Bjurman kaj.bjur...@gmail.com wrote: I just provoked my Eclipse again, just to see what the error message is. I remembered it as out of handles, but that was a bit wrong. I checked the process in the task manager when it was in the error state. It isn't out of memory, and it's probably not out of handles. The CPUs are also idle, so nothing is spinning. The error from Eclipse is a dialog that says: Multiple problems have occured (as title) The error message is then, unable to create new native thread. Followed by a textfield that is displaying: Collecting garbage Collecting garbage Unhandled event loop exception unable to create new native thread The eclipse error log can be seen below. Eclipse was at that time taking about 400 MB of memory (of the 1300M that I had assigned to the VM) It took me about 10-15 minutes. All I did was editing one layout file, switched between layout view, then edited the xml directly, changed some properties through the property view, saved quite frequently, even with compilation errors, and also tried keep editing while it was saving. This never happens when I write code in Eclipse. !ENTRY org.eclipse.core.resources 8 2 2010-08-04 22:40:49.414 !MESSAGE Problems occurred when invoking code from plug-in: org.eclipse.core.resources. !STACK 1 org.eclipse.core.runtime.CoreException: 'aapt' error. Pre Compiler Build aborted. at com.android.ide.eclipse.adt.internal.build.BaseBuilder.stopBuild(Unknown Source) at com.android.ide.eclipse.adt.internal.build.PreCompilerBuilder.build(Unknown Source) at org.eclipse.core.internal.events.BuildManager $2.run(BuildManager.java:627) at org.eclipse.core.runtime.SafeRunner.run(SafeRunner.java:42) at org.eclipse.core.internal.events.BuildManager.basicBuild(BuildManager.java: 170) at org.eclipse.core.internal.events.BuildManager.basicBuild(BuildManager.java: 201) at org.eclipse.core.internal.events.BuildManager $1.run(BuildManager.java:253) at org.eclipse.core.runtime.SafeRunner.run(SafeRunner.java:42) at org.eclipse.core.internal.events.BuildManager.basicBuild(BuildManager.java: 256) at org.eclipse.core.internal.events.BuildManager.basicBuildLoop(BuildManager.j ava: 309) at org.eclipse.core.internal.events.BuildManager.build(BuildManager.java: 341) at org.eclipse.core.internal.events.AutoBuildJob.doBuild(AutoBuildJob.java: 140) at org.eclipse.core.internal.events.AutoBuildJob.run(AutoBuildJob.java: 238) at org.eclipse.core.internal.jobs.Worker.run(Worker.java:55) !SUBENTRY 1 com.android.ide.eclipse.adt 8 0 2010-08-04 22:40:49.414 !MESSAGE 'aapt' error. Pre Compiler Build aborted. !SUBENTRY 1 com.android.ide.eclipse.adt 8 0 2010-08-04 22:40:49.414 !MESSAGE 'aapt' error. Pre Compiler Build aborted. !ENTRY org.eclipse.ui 4 0 2010-08-04 22:45:29.067 !MESSAGE Unhandled event loop exception !STACK 0 java.lang.OutOfMemoryError: unable to create new native thread at java.lang.Thread.start0(Native Method) at java.lang.Thread.start(Unknown Source) at org.eclipse.jface.text.contentassist.AdditionalInfoController $Timer.init(AdditionalInfoController.java:244) at org.eclipse.jface.text.contentassist.AdditionalInfoController $10.init(AdditionalInfoController.java:457) at
Re: [android-developers] Re: My Eclipse 3.5 always lag and have to force close - why?
I just say 'Serenity Now' and count to 10. The layout file usually opens by that point. On Wed, Aug 4, 2010 at 6:44 PM, Bob Kerns r...@acm.org wrote: OK, this is good information. You are, in fact, running out of memory -- somehow. I've see this, but seldom as performance starts to suck for me long before. How exactly are you allocating memory for Java? How are you starting Eclipse? And when you were checking how much memory Eclipse was using, how did you check that, exactly? It sounds like you used the task manager -- what is the exact title of the column you used? Task manager is not ideal for looking at this, but the only column that is actually relevant out of the 7 memory columns available is Memory - Commit size. But the relationship between that and Java's GC'd heap memory allocation is tenuous. About the only thing you can say is that Memory - Commit size will be greater than the amount of memory Java is actively using in its heap. Did you check your paging file space? That's another way you can run out of memory. And finally, it may report this error when you've run out of native threads. That is, in fact, WHERE you are running out of memory, though it may not be the specific cause. Check the Threads column. With Galileo, and Rev 6 of the Android SDK tools, I don't see a thread leak. In fact, my thread count was initially 47, went up to 52 briefly while auto-building my project, and then as I started looking at layouts, it has gone down to 37, and I don't seem to find anything with layouts that bumps it up at all. If you see a different behavior, then we have a clue. (Otherwise, it's still a clue, but a weak one). On Aug 4, 2:00 pm, Kaj Bjurman kaj.bjur...@gmail.com wrote: I just provoked my Eclipse again, just to see what the error message is. I remembered it as out of handles, but that was a bit wrong. I checked the process in the task manager when it was in the error state. It isn't out of memory, and it's probably not out of handles. The CPUs are also idle, so nothing is spinning. The error from Eclipse is a dialog that says: Multiple problems have occured (as title) The error message is then, unable to create new native thread. Followed by a textfield that is displaying: Collecting garbage Collecting garbage Unhandled event loop exception unable to create new native thread The eclipse error log can be seen below. Eclipse was at that time taking about 400 MB of memory (of the 1300M that I had assigned to the VM) It took me about 10-15 minutes. All I did was editing one layout file, switched between layout view, then edited the xml directly, changed some properties through the property view, saved quite frequently, even with compilation errors, and also tried keep editing while it was saving. This never happens when I write code in Eclipse. !ENTRY org.eclipse.core.resources 8 2 2010-08-04 22:40:49.414 !MESSAGE Problems occurred when invoking code from plug-in: org.eclipse.core.resources. !STACK 1 org.eclipse.core.runtime.CoreException: 'aapt' error. Pre Compiler Build aborted. at com.android.ide.eclipse.adt.internal.build.BaseBuilder.stopBuild(Unknown Source) at com.android.ide.eclipse.adt.internal.build.PreCompilerBuilder.build(Unknown Source) at org.eclipse.core.internal.events.BuildManager $2.run(BuildManager.java:627) at org.eclipse.core.runtime.SafeRunner.run(SafeRunner.java:42) at org.eclipse.core.internal.events.BuildManager.basicBuild(BuildManager.java: 170) at org.eclipse.core.internal.events.BuildManager.basicBuild(BuildManager.java: 201) at org.eclipse.core.internal.events.BuildManager $1.run(BuildManager.java:253) at org.eclipse.core.runtime.SafeRunner.run(SafeRunner.java:42) at org.eclipse.core.internal.events.BuildManager.basicBuild(BuildManager.java: 256) at org.eclipse.core.internal.events.BuildManager.basicBuildLoop(BuildManager.j ava: 309) at org.eclipse.core.internal.events.BuildManager.build(BuildManager.java: 341) at org.eclipse.core.internal.events.AutoBuildJob.doBuild(AutoBuildJob.java: 140) at org.eclipse.core.internal.events.AutoBuildJob.run(AutoBuildJob.java: 238) at org.eclipse.core.internal.jobs.Worker.run(Worker.java:55) !SUBENTRY 1 com.android.ide.eclipse.adt 8 0 2010-08-04 22:40:49.414 !MESSAGE 'aapt' error. Pre Compiler Build aborted. !SUBENTRY 1 com.android.ide.eclipse.adt 8 0 2010-08-04 22:40:49.414 !MESSAGE 'aapt' error. Pre Compiler Build aborted. !ENTRY org.eclipse.ui 4 0 2010-08-04 22:45:29.067 !MESSAGE Unhandled event loop exception !STACK 0 java.lang.OutOfMemoryError: unable to create new native thread at java.lang.Thread.start0(Native Method) at java.lang.Thread.start(Unknown Source) at
[android-developers] Re: My Eclipse 3.5 always lag and have to force close - why?
Eclipse is started using a shortcut: Galileo L:\eclipse-jee-galileo-win32\eclipse\eclipse.exe -vmargs -Xmx1324m Ganymede L:\eclipse\eclipse.exe -vmargs -Xmx1324m (I'm having the same problem in both) eclipse.ini says: --launcher.library plugins/org.eclipse.equinox.launcher.win32.win32.x86_1.0.200.v20090519 -startup plugins/org.eclipse.equinox.launcher_1.0.201.R35x_v20090715.jar -product org.eclipse.epp.package.jee.product --launcher.XXMaxPermSize 256M -showsplash org.eclipse.platform --launcher.XXMaxPermSize 256m -vmargs -Dosgi.requiredJavaVersion=1.5 -Xms40m -Xmx512m The java version that is in path: java version 1.6.0_13 Java(TM) SE Runtime Environment (build 1.6.0_13-b03) Java HotSpot(TM) Client VM (build 11.3-b02, mixed mode, sharing) I only checked the process in task manager, but I also made the columns for handles, threads and user objects visible. The number of threads was only about 40 which surprised me. (An fresh started Eclipse on my system has about 28 threads) Memory (Private working set) was about 400.000 kB. I did not check commit size, I tonigh when I got time to provoke Eclipse again. The paging size looked normal. I now saw that that Eclipse only used revision 5 of the Android SDK Tools. I started a fresh Eclipse, opened up Android SDK and AVD Manager, selected to install all available packages, and then bumbed into the same error again (so it took less than 2 minutes) Commit size is now 381.500 kB, Private working set 327.048 kB, Threads 26, Handles 506 On 5 Aug, 03:44, Bob Kerns r...@acm.org wrote: OK, this is good information. You are, in fact, running out of memory -- somehow. I've see this, but seldom as performance starts to suck for me long before. How exactly are you allocating memory for Java? How are you starting Eclipse? And when you were checking how much memory Eclipse was using, how did you check that, exactly? It sounds like you used the task manager -- what is the exact title of the column you used? Task manager is not ideal for looking at this, but the only column that is actually relevant out of the 7 memory columns available is Memory - Commit size. But the relationship between that and Java's GC'd heap memory allocation is tenuous. About the only thing you can say is that Memory - Commit size will be greater than the amount of memory Java is actively using in its heap. Did you check your paging file space? That's another way you can run out of memory. And finally, it may report this error when you've run out of native threads. That is, in fact, WHERE you are running out of memory, though it may not be the specific cause. Check the Threads column. With Galileo, and Rev 6 of the Android SDK tools, I don't see a thread leak. In fact, my thread count was initially 47, went up to 52 briefly while auto-building my project, and then as I started looking at layouts, it has gone down to 37, and I don't seem to find anything with layouts that bumps it up at all. If you see a different behavior, then we have a clue. (Otherwise, it's still a clue, but a weak one). On Aug 4, 2:00 pm, Kaj Bjurman kaj.bjur...@gmail.com wrote: I just provoked my Eclipse again, just to see what the error message is. I remembered it as out of handles, but that was a bit wrong. I checked the process in the task manager when it was in the error state. It isn't out of memory, and it's probably not out of handles. The CPUs are also idle, so nothing is spinning. The error from Eclipse is a dialog that says: Multiple problems have occured (as title) The error message is then, unable to create new native thread. Followed by a textfield that is displaying: Collecting garbage Collecting garbage Unhandled event loop exception unable to create new native thread The eclipse error log can be seen below. Eclipse was at that time taking about 400 MB of memory (of the 1300M that I had assigned to the VM) It took me about 10-15 minutes. All I did was editing one layout file, switched between layout view, then edited the xml directly, changed some properties through the property view, saved quite frequently, even with compilation errors, and also tried keep editing while it was saving. This never happens when I write code in Eclipse. !ENTRY org.eclipse.core.resources 8 2 2010-08-04 22:40:49.414 !MESSAGE Problems occurred when invoking code from plug-in: org.eclipse.core.resources. !STACK 1 org.eclipse.core.runtime.CoreException: 'aapt' error. Pre Compiler Build aborted. at com.android.ide.eclipse.adt.internal.build.BaseBuilder.stopBuild(Unknown Source) at com.android.ide.eclipse.adt.internal.build.PreCompilerBuilder.build(Unknown Source) at org.eclipse.core.internal.events.BuildManager $2.run(BuildManager.java:627) at org.eclipse.core.runtime.SafeRunner.run(SafeRunner.java:42) at
[android-developers] Re: My Eclipse 3.5 always lag and have to force close - why?
(And the workspace is using 1.5.0_19) On 5 Aug, 03:44, Bob Kerns r...@acm.org wrote: OK, this is good information. You are, in fact, running out of memory -- somehow. I've see this, but seldom as performance starts to suck for me long before. How exactly are you allocating memory for Java? How are you starting Eclipse? And when you were checking how much memory Eclipse was using, how did you check that, exactly? It sounds like you used the task manager -- what is the exact title of the column you used? Task manager is not ideal for looking at this, but the only column that is actually relevant out of the 7 memory columns available is Memory - Commit size. But the relationship between that and Java's GC'd heap memory allocation is tenuous. About the only thing you can say is that Memory - Commit size will be greater than the amount of memory Java is actively using in its heap. Did you check your paging file space? That's another way you can run out of memory. And finally, it may report this error when you've run out of native threads. That is, in fact, WHERE you are running out of memory, though it may not be the specific cause. Check the Threads column. With Galileo, and Rev 6 of the Android SDK tools, I don't see a thread leak. In fact, my thread count was initially 47, went up to 52 briefly while auto-building my project, and then as I started looking at layouts, it has gone down to 37, and I don't seem to find anything with layouts that bumps it up at all. If you see a different behavior, then we have a clue. (Otherwise, it's still a clue, but a weak one). On Aug 4, 2:00 pm, Kaj Bjurman kaj.bjur...@gmail.com wrote: I just provoked my Eclipse again, just to see what the error message is. I remembered it as out of handles, but that was a bit wrong. I checked the process in the task manager when it was in the error state. It isn't out of memory, and it's probably not out of handles. The CPUs are also idle, so nothing is spinning. The error from Eclipse is a dialog that says: Multiple problems have occured (as title) The error message is then, unable to create new native thread. Followed by a textfield that is displaying: Collecting garbage Collecting garbage Unhandled event loop exception unable to create new native thread The eclipse error log can be seen below. Eclipse was at that time taking about 400 MB of memory (of the 1300M that I had assigned to the VM) It took me about 10-15 minutes. All I did was editing one layout file, switched between layout view, then edited the xml directly, changed some properties through the property view, saved quite frequently, even with compilation errors, and also tried keep editing while it was saving. This never happens when I write code in Eclipse. !ENTRY org.eclipse.core.resources 8 2 2010-08-04 22:40:49.414 !MESSAGE Problems occurred when invoking code from plug-in: org.eclipse.core.resources. !STACK 1 org.eclipse.core.runtime.CoreException: 'aapt' error. Pre Compiler Build aborted. at com.android.ide.eclipse.adt.internal.build.BaseBuilder.stopBuild(Unknown Source) at com.android.ide.eclipse.adt.internal.build.PreCompilerBuilder.build(Unknown Source) at org.eclipse.core.internal.events.BuildManager $2.run(BuildManager.java:627) at org.eclipse.core.runtime.SafeRunner.run(SafeRunner.java:42) at org.eclipse.core.internal.events.BuildManager.basicBuild(BuildManager.java: 170) at org.eclipse.core.internal.events.BuildManager.basicBuild(BuildManager.java: 201) at org.eclipse.core.internal.events.BuildManager $1.run(BuildManager.java:253) at org.eclipse.core.runtime.SafeRunner.run(SafeRunner.java:42) at org.eclipse.core.internal.events.BuildManager.basicBuild(BuildManager.java: 256) at org.eclipse.core.internal.events.BuildManager.basicBuildLoop(BuildManager.j ava: 309) at org.eclipse.core.internal.events.BuildManager.build(BuildManager.java: 341) at org.eclipse.core.internal.events.AutoBuildJob.doBuild(AutoBuildJob.java: 140) at org.eclipse.core.internal.events.AutoBuildJob.run(AutoBuildJob.java: 238) at org.eclipse.core.internal.jobs.Worker.run(Worker.java:55) !SUBENTRY 1 com.android.ide.eclipse.adt 8 0 2010-08-04 22:40:49.414 !MESSAGE 'aapt' error. Pre Compiler Build aborted. !SUBENTRY 1 com.android.ide.eclipse.adt 8 0 2010-08-04 22:40:49.414 !MESSAGE 'aapt' error. Pre Compiler Build aborted. !ENTRY org.eclipse.ui 4 0 2010-08-04 22:45:29.067 !MESSAGE Unhandled event loop exception !STACK 0 java.lang.OutOfMemoryError: unable to create new native thread at java.lang.Thread.start0(Native Method) at java.lang.Thread.start(Unknown Source) at org.eclipse.jface.text.contentassist.AdditionalInfoController
[android-developers] Re: My Eclipse 3.5 always lag and have to force close - why?
It's long been my opinion that the minimum development environment should be 8 GB, quad core. And, ideally, solid-state disks. Definitely *NOT* a 5200 RPM or slower hard drive! Ever! I run on a 4GB, dual core laptop, SATA 7200 RPM hard drive. But I've also run on 8 GB, quad core, and know what a difference it makes. I figure there's no point in replacing my computer until I can hit that benchmark. This was the benchmark about 4 years ago. But it makes a HUGE difference what else you are running. Here are some of the worst offenders: * GMail -- any browser. * Firefox -- any content * Eclipse -- don't open more stuff than you need. And you can experiment with giving it more memory, so it doesn't have to GC quite as often. But that makes the GCs it does do touch somewhat more pages. Also, make sure your hard drive is defragmented, and that you clean up your temp directories from time to time. A huge temp directory can make a lot of things really beat on the disk as they do trivial things with tiny temp files. It's surprisingly easy to get a huge temp directory over time. And finally: Pay attention to antivirus and online backup software configuration. You do NOT want your antivirus software looking at every file you touch in your build tree. You do NOT want your backup software instantly backing up every intermediate file created during the build process. Still, insufficient memory is the biggest cause of poor development environment performance in my experience. Eclipse does a huge amount of stuff for you, but it requires RAM to hold all that parse data, etc. Closing editor buffers, projects you don't actively need (like the demo project!), etc. can significantly reduce Eclipse's memory usage. On Jul 30, 4:22 am, Mystique joven.ch...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, I'm on Win7 32-bit with 4GB RAM. Why my Eclipse always become so slow until it take so long to response to my mouse or keyboard. I have to force terminate it, restart and use it for like 20min and repeat the same thing again... Anyone facing this or have experience dealing with it? Regards. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Android Developers group. To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en
[android-developers] Re: My Eclipse 3.5 always lag and have to force close - why?
The issue isn't what else is running on the computer. The issue is that Eclipse gets into an unrecoverable state where it lags horribly when switching between editors, at least on OSX. I can typically go 5 or 6 hours of steady use (more with intermittent use) until that state kicks in for me (MacBook Pro, 4GB, 2.4GHz Core 2 Duo). Quitting other apps at that point doesn't make any difference. The resource leak explanation is the only one that makes sense given my observations, which are daily since I do this to pay my mortgage. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Android Developers group. To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en
[android-developers] Re: My Eclipse 3.5 always lag and have to force close - why?
Doug, I'm surprised you can go for 5 or 6 hours. It grinds to a halt for me in less than an hour. But I guess it depends on what you're doing (Java vs resources). But I'll echo what you said: it's not that the IDE is generally slow, it's something else that is chewing up resources. It's not the emulator, as I can exit that and Eclipse is still the same. As people reported above, you can code all you like, but it seems that if you mess with the resource files, you're doomed. On Aug 3, 9:17 pm, Doug beafd...@gmail.com wrote: The issue isn't what else is running on the computer. The issue is that Eclipse gets into an unrecoverable state where it lags horribly when switching between editors, at least on OSX. I can typically go 5 or 6 hours of steady use (more with intermittent use) until that state kicks in for me (MacBook Pro, 4GB, 2.4GHz Core 2 Duo). Quitting other apps at that point doesn't make any difference. The resource leak explanation is the only one that makes sense given my observations, which are daily since I do this to pay my mortgage. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Android Developers group. To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en
[android-developers] Re: My Eclipse 3.5 always lag and have to force close - why?
You missed my point, so let me try to make it more clearly. I wasn't absolving the IDE of blame. I'm saying it interacts with the other offenders, if you have them. So if you have a bloated Firefox, for example, the IDE will start to flail much earlier. In that case, you can buy some time (but not eliminate the problem) by killing Firefox. My point about memory is that you will survive MUCH longer on a less limited machine, and upgrading your hardware is another workaround. One that I haven't found financially viable at the moment, but, if you can, definitely try it. And as objectuser points out, not all aspects of the IDE are to blame. Running an emulator worsens things, since that needs memory. Basically, everything you do that needs significant memory, will cause you to start to flail earlier. It's definitely not just Eclipse and Android, however. At 4 GB I can end up in this state with various applications, without anything Eclispe- or Android-related running. I find I have to restart GMail (in Chrome, no less) about as often as often as I have to restart Eclipse. Hmm, what do these two have in common? But that will depend on your usage patterns, too. I will say, it is not just Android programming, and not just resource files that will do Eclipse in. But I do think they worsen it -- either making heavy use of a leaking facility, or adding their own new leaks to the puddle. So my advice is, restart Eclipse often, but also look at the other factors. If you're lucky that will help reduce, but eliminate, the need to restart. On Aug 3, 7:17 pm, Doug beafd...@gmail.com wrote: The issue isn't what else is running on the computer. The issue is that Eclipse gets into an unrecoverable state where it lags horribly when switching between editors, at least on OSX. I can typically go 5 or 6 hours of steady use (more with intermittent use) until that state kicks in for me (MacBook Pro, 4GB, 2.4GHz Core 2 Duo). Quitting other apps at that point doesn't make any difference. The resource leak explanation is the only one that makes sense given my observations, which are daily since I do this to pay my mortgage. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Android Developers group. To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en
[android-developers] Re: My Eclipse 3.5 always lag and have to force close - why?
So everyone has this issue and they just deal with it? I'm amazed to find such a productivity killer in a platform that's been out for a couple of years. I'm hoping we are simply unenlightened and someone will stop by with an easy fix. :) I'm on OS X, 4GB RAM, core 2 duo, btw, using some settings I found previously (run with 1.6, more memory, etc). On Jul 30, 9:53 pm, Mystique joven.ch...@gmail.com wrote: I see. I thought I'm the only one... Yes, I look at the log and so many memory leak error... On Jul 30, 8:55 pm, Kaj Bjurman kaj.bjur...@gmail.com wrote: It has unfortunately been like that for ages (if you are modifying e.g. layout files). It doesn't happen if you only write code. It looks like the Android plugin is leaking resources, and fast. On 30 Juli, 13:22, Mystique joven.ch...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, I'm on Win7 32-bit with 4GB RAM. Why myEclipsealways become so slow until it take so long to response to my mouse or keyboard. I have to force terminate it, restart and use it for like 20min and repeat the same thing again... Anyone facing this or have experience dealing with it? Regards. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Android Developers group. To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en
[android-developers] Re: My Eclipse 3.5 always lag and have to force close - why?
Hi, you mean in OSX is the same thing? On Aug 3, 10:51 pm, objectuser kevin.k.le...@gmail.com wrote: So everyone has this issue and they just deal with it? I'm amazed to find such a productivity killer in a platform that's been out for a couple of years. I'm hoping we are simply unenlightened and someone will stop by with an easy fix. :) I'm on OS X, 4GB RAM, core 2 duo, btw, using some settings I found previously (run with 1.6, more memory, etc). On Jul 30, 9:53 pm, Mystique joven.ch...@gmail.com wrote: I see. I thought I'm the only one... Yes, I look at the log and so many memory leak error... On Jul 30, 8:55 pm, Kaj Bjurman kaj.bjur...@gmail.com wrote: It has unfortunately been like that for ages (if you are modifying e.g. layout files). It doesn't happen if you only write code. It looks like the Android plugin is leaking resources, and fast. On 30 Juli, 13:22, Mystique joven.ch...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, I'm on Win7 32-bit with 4GB RAM. Why myEclipsealways become so slow until it take so long to response to my mouse or keyboard. I have to force terminate it, restart and use it for like 20min and repeat the same thing again... Anyone facing this or have experience dealing with it? Regards. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Android Developers group. To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en
[android-developers] Re: My Eclipse 3.5 always lag and have to force close - why?
Yes, same issue for me. I need to restart Eclipse every few minutes if I don't want to wait 10s to switch between Java files, etc. On Aug 3, 10:08 am, Mystique joven.ch...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, you mean in OSX is the same thing? On Aug 3, 10:51 pm, objectuser kevin.k.le...@gmail.com wrote: So everyone has this issue and they just deal with it? I'm amazed to find such a productivity killer in a platform that's been out for a couple of years. I'm hoping we are simply unenlightened and someone will stop by with an easy fix. :) I'm on OS X, 4GB RAM, core 2 duo, btw, using some settings I found previously (run with 1.6, more memory, etc). On Jul 30, 9:53 pm, Mystique joven.ch...@gmail.com wrote: I see. I thought I'm the only one... Yes, I look at the log and so many memory leak error... On Jul 30, 8:55 pm, Kaj Bjurman kaj.bjur...@gmail.com wrote: It has unfortunately been like that for ages (if you are modifying e.g. layout files). It doesn't happen if you only write code. It looks like the Android plugin is leaking resources, and fast. On 30 Juli, 13:22, Mystique joven.ch...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, I'm on Win7 32-bit with 4GB RAM. Why myEclipsealways become so slow until it take so long to response to my mouse or keyboard. I have to force terminate it, restart and use it for like 20min and repeat the same thing again... Anyone facing this or have experience dealing with it? Regards. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Android Developers group. To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en
Re: [android-developers] Re: My Eclipse 3.5 always lag and have to force close - why?
Doesn't happen to me. Ubuntu Lucid, AMD Phenom II X4 945, 4GB RAM. Emulator is slow when booting, but nothing else (I have to say that my projects are tiny). On Tue, Aug 3, 2010 at 5:32 PM, objectuser kevin.k.le...@gmail.com wrote: Yes, same issue for me. I need to restart Eclipse every few minutes if I don't want to wait 10s to switch between Java files, etc. On Aug 3, 10:08 am, Mystique joven.ch...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, you mean in OSX is the same thing? On Aug 3, 10:51 pm, objectuser kevin.k.le...@gmail.com wrote: So everyone has this issue and they just deal with it? I'm amazed to find such a productivity killer in a platform that's been out for a couple of years. I'm hoping we are simply unenlightened and someone will stop by with an easy fix. :) I'm on OS X, 4GB RAM, core 2 duo, btw, using some settings I found previously (run with 1.6, more memory, etc). On Jul 30, 9:53 pm, Mystique joven.ch...@gmail.com wrote: I see. I thought I'm the only one... Yes, I look at the log and so many memory leak error... On Jul 30, 8:55 pm, Kaj Bjurman kaj.bjur...@gmail.com wrote: It has unfortunately been like that for ages (if you are modifying e.g. layout files). It doesn't happen if you only write code. It looks like the Android plugin is leaking resources, and fast. On 30 Juli, 13:22, Mystique joven.ch...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, I'm on Win7 32-bit with 4GB RAM. Why myEclipsealways become so slow until it take so long to response to my mouse or keyboard. I have to force terminate it, restart and use it for like 20min and repeat the same thing again... Anyone facing this or have experience dealing with it? Regards. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Android Developers group. To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.comandroid-developers%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Android Developers group. To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en
[android-developers] Re: My Eclipse 3.5 always lag and have to force close - why?
It has unfortunately been like that for ages (if you are modifying e.g. layout files). It doesn't happen if you only write code. It looks like the Android plugin is leaking resources, and fast. On 30 Juli, 13:22, Mystique joven.ch...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, I'm on Win7 32-bit with 4GB RAM. Why my Eclipse always become so slow until it take so long to response to my mouse or keyboard. I have to force terminate it, restart and use it for like 20min and repeat the same thing again... Anyone facing this or have experience dealing with it? Regards. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Android Developers group. To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en
[android-developers] Re: My Eclipse 3.5 always lag and have to force close - why?
I see. I thought I'm the only one... Yes, I look at the log and so many memory leak error... On Jul 30, 8:55 pm, Kaj Bjurman kaj.bjur...@gmail.com wrote: It has unfortunately been like that for ages (if you are modifying e.g. layout files). It doesn't happen if you only write code. It looks like the Android plugin is leaking resources, and fast. On 30 Juli, 13:22, Mystique joven.ch...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, I'm on Win7 32-bit with 4GB RAM. Why my Eclipse always become so slow until it take so long to response to my mouse or keyboard. I have to force terminate it, restart and use it for like 20min and repeat the same thing again... Anyone facing this or have experience dealing with it? Regards. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Android Developers group. To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en
