Re: [android-developers] Re: Will no longer support Android 1.5
No, I'm not disputing those numbers at all. What I meant is - it wasn't a weird phone made by a fringe manufacturer. The phone a Motorola Backflip - AFAIK, it still runs 1.5 outside the US, and the 2.1 update in the US was not an OTA, so perhaps not everyone who could update actually did. -- Kostya 20.01.2011 3:47, Indicator Veritatis пишет: This is interesting: according to the dashboard, less than 5% of individual phones connecting to the Google Android Market are still running 1.5. Yet you call that 1.5 phone, a certain quite popular phone. How could this be? I am curious to hear how either 1) the dashboard sampling could be that far off or 2) how popular this phone really is. Can you post the make and model# of the phone without compromising confidentiality? On Jan 17, 7:27 am, Kostya Vasilyevkmans...@gmail.com wrote: I recently ran into some 1.5 issues with my widgets that were caused by a certain quite popular phone that still runs 1.5 ignoring @dimen values. So supporting 1.5, understood as some kind of pure Platonic form, is no problem at all, but dealing with bugs in particular firmware versions is not fun at all. For now, both my apps continue to support 1.5, but a new project I'm working on will only run on 1.6+ - because that's the first version with multi-resolution support, and one really needs that these days. -- Kostya 2011/1/17 TreKingtreking...@gmail.com On Mon, Jan 17, 2011 at 7:07 AM, Stringsterling.ud...@googlemail.comwrote: For my own apps, I don't have a problem supporting 1.5, and I figure that an extra 5% is nothing to sneeze at. But then, I've yet to run into anything that was really problematic for me to support on 1.5. Some of the resource handling is kind of annoying, but not really a big deal. If I had some core feature that I just couldn't make backward-compatible, then yes, I'd drop 1.5 too. But probably not until then, or until the install percentage drops a few more points. This. (Thanks for writing my post for me :-) ) - TreKinghttp://sites.google.com/site/rezmobileapps/treking - Chicago transit tracking app for Android-powered devices -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Android Developers group. To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.comandroid-developers%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en -- Kostya Vasilyev -- WiFi Manager + pretty widget -- http://kmansoft.wordpress.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Android Developers group. To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en
[android-developers] Re: Will no longer support Android 1.5
I think the only major phone in the US still on 1.5 is the CLIQ XT (the one with the keyboard) and there should be an update for that one as well soon. I put a very large warning on top of my What's New pop-up that comes up with every release warning users and to e-mail if they are on 1.5 and it's not the regular CLIQ. But yesterday there was a user who came to me with a problem who was running on the CLIQ XT, but didn't even know what version of Android they are on. I believe a lot of users have absolutely no clue that there are multiple versions of Android out there. On Jan 20, 4:31 pm, Kostya Vasilyev kmans...@gmail.com wrote: No, I'm not disputing those numbers at all. What I meant is - it wasn't a weird phone made by a fringe manufacturer. The phone a Motorola Backflip - AFAIK, it still runs 1.5 outside the US, and the 2.1 update in the US was not an OTA, so perhaps not everyone who could update actually did. -- Kostya 20.01.2011 3:47, Indicator Veritatis пишет: This is interesting: according to the dashboard, less than 5% of individual phones connecting to the Google Android Market are still running 1.5. Yet you call that 1.5 phone, a certain quite popular phone. How could this be? I am curious to hear how either 1) the dashboard sampling could be that far off or 2) how popular this phone really is. Can you post the make and model# of the phone without compromising confidentiality? On Jan 17, 7:27 am, Kostya Vasilyevkmans...@gmail.com wrote: I recently ran into some 1.5 issues with my widgets that were caused by a certain quite popular phone that still runs 1.5 ignoring @dimen values. So supporting 1.5, understood as some kind of pure Platonic form, is no problem at all, but dealing with bugs in particular firmware versions is not fun at all. For now, both my apps continue to support 1.5, but a new project I'm working on will only run on 1.6+ - because that's the first version with multi-resolution support, and one really needs that these days. -- Kostya 2011/1/17 TreKingtreking...@gmail.com On Mon, Jan 17, 2011 at 7:07 AM, Stringsterling.ud...@googlemail.comwrote: For my own apps, I don't have a problem supporting 1.5, and I figure that an extra 5% is nothing to sneeze at. But then, I've yet to run into anything that was really problematic for me to support on 1.5. Some of the resource handling is kind of annoying, but not really a big deal. If I had some core feature that I just couldn't make backward-compatible, then yes, I'd drop 1.5 too. But probably not until then, or until the install percentage drops a few more points. This. (Thanks for writing my post for me :-) ) ----- TreKinghttp://sites.google.com/site/rezmobileapps/treking - Chicago transit tracking app for Android-powered devices -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Android Developers group. To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.comandroid-developers%2Bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en -- Kostya Vasilyev -- WiFi Manager + pretty widget --http://kmansoft.wordpress.com- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Android Developers group. To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en
[android-developers] Re: Will no longer support Android 1.5
Hi, I still have an (non carrier branded) HTC Hero (gsm version) with V1.5, it is from a different region than me, it has only been offering an OTA update to V2.1 just in the last few weeks. Anyway some users may never be in a position to update from V1.5 even if its available. Regards On Jan 21, 11:12 am, Zsolt Vasvari zvasv...@gmail.com wrote: I think the only major phone in the US still on 1.5 is the CLIQ XT (the one with the keyboard) and there should be an update for that one as well soon. I put a very large warning on top of my What's New pop-up that comes up with every release warning users and to e-mail if they are on 1.5 and it's not the regular CLIQ. But yesterday there was a user who came to me with a problem who was running on the CLIQ XT, but didn't even know what version of Android they are on. I believe a lot of users have absolutely no clue that there are multiple versions of Android out there. On Jan 20, 4:31 pm, Kostya Vasilyev kmans...@gmail.com wrote: No, I'm not disputing those numbers at all. What I meant is - it wasn't a weird phone made by a fringe manufacturer. The phone a Motorola Backflip - AFAIK, it still runs 1.5 outside the US, and the 2.1 update in the US was not an OTA, so perhaps not everyone who could update actually did. -- Kostya 20.01.2011 3:47, Indicator Veritatis пишет: This is interesting: according to the dashboard, less than 5% of individual phones connecting to the Google Android Market are still running 1.5. Yet you call that 1.5 phone, a certain quite popular phone. How could this be? I am curious to hear how either 1) the dashboard sampling could be that far off or 2) how popular this phone really is. Can you post the make and model# of the phone without compromising confidentiality? On Jan 17, 7:27 am, Kostya Vasilyevkmans...@gmail.com wrote: I recently ran into some 1.5 issues with my widgets that were caused by a certain quite popular phone that still runs 1.5 ignoring @dimen values. So supporting 1.5, understood as some kind of pure Platonic form, is no problem at all, but dealing with bugs in particular firmware versions is not fun at all. For now, both my apps continue to support 1.5, but a new project I'm working on will only run on 1.6+ - because that's the first version with multi-resolution support, and one really needs that these days. -- Kostya 2011/1/17 TreKingtreking...@gmail.com On Mon, Jan 17, 2011 at 7:07 AM, Stringsterling.ud...@googlemail.comwrote: For my own apps, I don't have a problem supporting 1.5, and I figure that an extra 5% is nothing to sneeze at. But then, I've yet to run into anything that was really problematic for me to support on 1.5. Some of the resource handling is kind of annoying, but not really a big deal. If I had some core feature that I just couldn't make backward-compatible, then yes, I'd drop 1.5 too. But probably not until then, or until the install percentage drops a few more points. This. (Thanks for writing my post for me :-) ) --- -- TreKinghttp://sites.google.com/site/rezmobileapps/treking - Chicago transit tracking app for Android-powered devices -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Android Developers group. To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.comandroid-developers%2Bunsubs cr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en -- Kostya Vasilyev -- WiFi Manager + pretty widget --http://kmansoft.wordpress.com-Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Android Developers group. To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en
[android-developers] Re: Will no longer support Android 1.5
Hi, No you are not obligated by the Distribution Agreement regarding support or updates by my reading. I just interpret some of it as suggesting that support of your apps is desirable. And Dianne mentioned stuff that I was not aware. ( Nothing could be supported for perpetuity ;-) Version 1.5 vintage phones are likely to die off anyway as the normal consequence of hardware failure due to age - battery won't charge any longer etc. Regards On Jan 20, 10:48 am, Zsolt Vasvari zvasv...@gmail.com wrote: That cannot be right. That would mean you have to forever support every version of Android. And does the Distirbution Agreement talk about having to give the users updates and supports for perpetuity? I doubt you are even required to give even a single update to your app. On Jan 19, 2:49 pm, gjs garyjamessi...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, I'd also suggest rereading the Android Market Distribution Agreement if you are withdrawing V1.5 paid apps your support for them - particularly given Dianne's comments about just bumping minSDK old versions still being available. I think you may still have to provide refunds under some circumstances, when you may have thought your V1.5 version was no longer being distributed. Regards. On Jan 18, 9:48 am, Dianne Hackborn hack...@android.com wrote: Huh. Well it could well be, that was so long ago it is hard to remember. :} On Mon, Jan 17, 2011 at 2:42 PM, String sterling.ud...@googlemail.comwrote: FWIW, I had the same experience, now that you mention it. Using @dimen references in widget layout XML doesn't work on 1.5. Bit of a PITA, but I just went ahead and created a few more layouts (rather than resizing them based on dimens) and moved on. It didn't seem like a big enough problem to seriously consider not supporting 1.5 for, and since it was apparently fixed by 1.6, neither did it seem worth raising as an issue anywhere. I haven't had time to dig into the AOSP links you posted, Dianne, but I can back Kostya up on this - it was broken in Cupcake. String -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Android Developers group. To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.comandroid-developers%2Bunsubs cr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en -- Dianne Hackborn Android framework engineer hack...@android.com Note: please don't send private questions to me, as I don't have time to provide private support, and so won't reply to such e-mails. All such questions should be posted on public forums, where I and others can see and answer them.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Android Developers group. To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en
[android-developers] Re: Will no longer support Android 1.5
That cannot be right. That would mean you have to forever support every version of Android. And does the Distirbution Agreement talk about having to give the users updates and supports for perpetuity? I doubt you are even required to give even a single update to your app. On Jan 19, 2:49 pm, gjs garyjamessi...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, I'd also suggest rereading the Android Market Distribution Agreement if you are withdrawing V1.5 paid apps your support for them - particularly given Dianne's comments about just bumping minSDK old versions still being available. I think you may still have to provide refunds under some circumstances, when you may have thought your V1.5 version was no longer being distributed. Regards. On Jan 18, 9:48 am, Dianne Hackborn hack...@android.com wrote: Huh. Well it could well be, that was so long ago it is hard to remember. :} On Mon, Jan 17, 2011 at 2:42 PM, String sterling.ud...@googlemail.comwrote: FWIW, I had the same experience, now that you mention it. Using @dimen references in widget layout XML doesn't work on 1.5. Bit of a PITA, but I just went ahead and created a few more layouts (rather than resizing them based on dimens) and moved on. It didn't seem like a big enough problem to seriously consider not supporting 1.5 for, and since it was apparently fixed by 1.6, neither did it seem worth raising as an issue anywhere. I haven't had time to dig into the AOSP links you posted, Dianne, but I can back Kostya up on this - it was broken in Cupcake. String -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Android Developers group. To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.comandroid-developers%2Bunsubs cr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en -- Dianne Hackborn Android framework engineer hack...@android.com Note: please don't send private questions to me, as I don't have time to provide private support, and so won't reply to such e-mails. All such questions should be posted on public forums, where I and others can see and answer them.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Android Developers group. To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en
[android-developers] Re: Will no longer support Android 1.5
Why isn't it documented clearly somewhere? Because Google still believes in that strange myth they got caught up in while designing their entire development philosophy for Android (and what else?): throw up early-alpha code and let the community document it for Google in blogs and mailing lists and even (gasp!) Google groups. Of course, that IS a myth. The community still does not document it for Google. This is not just because the community balks at doing Google's homework for them, it is because the community itself does not get its hands on such information in a reliable and timely manner. Too much of what gets written in blogs about open source software is just rumor with a sprinkling of half-understood facts. Nor does it help that by the time some generous blogger writes up a really good series of tutorials on, say, for example, Looper/Handler, Google announces a new API with much fanfare, describing it as if writing code using Looper and/or Handler directly is now out of date. Whether not it is really out of date, it is frustrating, dampening the enthusiasm of such bloggers for continuing to do Google's homework for them. On Jan 17, 10:29 am, TreKing treking...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Jan 17, 2011 at 12:18 PM, Dianne Hackborn hack...@android.comwrote: Oh and I believe on Market that if you put up a new version of your app with a higher minSdkVersion, the most recent older version will still be visible to older devices. That is, the .apks you upload are never deleted; a new version just supersedes an older one for the devices it is compatible with. Holy crap - why is awesome information like this not clearly documented somewhere!? (Or is it ...?) - TreKing http://sites.google.com/site/rezmobileapps/treking - Chicago transit tracking app for Android-powered devices -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Android Developers group. To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en
[android-developers] Re: Will no longer support Android 1.5
Nor is this the only reason we should not put TOO much faith in the dashboard. There are other reasons that sampling might be skewed. That said, I am no longer so interested in maintaining 1.5 users either, since even if the dashboard figure was off by 100%, there just aren't that many 1.5 users anymore. But my main point is to remember that the dashboard figure IS only a sampling, an attempt to measure by a sampling process, measure a population that is much larger than the actual sample. It takes only a little experience with the sampling problem in statistics to realize how subtly misleading such a sample can be. The vendor of Statistica, StatSoft, has done us all a great public service by making an excellent Statitics textbook freely available on the web at http://www.statsoft.com/textbook/. Somewhere in their I once found a great discussion of the sampling problem. On Jan 17, 7:37 am, Brill Pappin br...@pappin.ca wrote: Thats fine, but doesn't give you any stats on your own app, which is very important for maintaining customer loyalty. We intend to make the company a truste name (not just the apps) in the market with quality product, so we really want to know what *our* users are doing. - Brill Pappin On Jan 17, 10:19 am, Laks laks.pendy...@gmail.com wrote: Is this what you are looking for? http://developer.android.com/resources/dashboard/platform-versions.html -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Android Developers group. To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en
[android-developers] Re: Will no longer support Android 1.5
You say, I believe. But as TrekKing already implied with his question, this is important enough that it should be documented somewhere without such a cautionary qualification -- if it is in fact true. And if it turns out not to be true, then you should post a follow up to your own comment explaining that you found out it is not true. Otherwise a lot of people are going to waste a lot of time trying to figure out whether or not it is really true -- or trying to contain the damage when their customers get a surprising version of the software downloaded to the phone. On Jan 17, 10:18 am, Dianne Hackborn hack...@android.com wrote: Oh and I believe on Market that if you put up a new version of your app with a higher minSdkVersion, the most recent older version will still be visible to older devices. That is, the .apks you upload are never deleted; a new version just supersedes an older one for the devices it is compatible with. On Mon, Jan 17, 2011 at 10:14 AM, Dianne Hackborn hack...@android.comwrote: By @dimens do you mean the dp unit in layouts? If there is something not working on a device, we'd like to know about it because it is not compatible with the CDD which is a requirement for having Market. On Mon, Jan 17, 2011 at 9:40 AM, Kostya Vasilyev kmans...@gmail.comwrote: I'm using @dimens quite a bit, not because I have different values for different screen sizes / resolutions, but because it lets me tweak my layouts more easily during development. After seeing them not work on a certain 1.5 device (even though that's part of API level 1), I've decided that the extra 5% is not worth the trouble. -- Kostya 2011/1/17 String sterling.ud...@googlemail.com On Monday, January 17, 2011 3:27:02 PM UTC, Kostya Vasilyev wrote: For now, both my apps continue to support 1.5, but a new project I'm working on will only run on 1.6+ - because that's the first version with multi-resolution support, and one really needs that these days. What are you doing with multi-resolution that's problematic? I have quite a bit of multi-resolution code, and so far the vast majority has degraded pretty gracefully on 1.5. String -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Android Developers group. To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.comandroid-developers%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Android Developers group. To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.comandroid-developers%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en -- Dianne Hackborn Android framework engineer hack...@android.com Note: please don't send private questions to me, as I don't have time to provide private support, and so won't reply to such e-mails. All such questions should be posted on public forums, where I and others can see and answer them. -- Dianne Hackborn Android framework engineer hack...@android.com Note: please don't send private questions to me, as I don't have time to provide private support, and so won't reply to such e-mails. All such questions should be posted on public forums, where I and others can see and answer them. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Android Developers group. To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en
[android-developers] Re: Will no longer support Android 1.5
This is interesting: according to the dashboard, less than 5% of individual phones connecting to the Google Android Market are still running 1.5. Yet you call that 1.5 phone, a certain quite popular phone. How could this be? I am curious to hear how either 1) the dashboard sampling could be that far off or 2) how popular this phone really is. Can you post the make and model# of the phone without compromising confidentiality? On Jan 17, 7:27 am, Kostya Vasilyev kmans...@gmail.com wrote: I recently ran into some 1.5 issues with my widgets that were caused by a certain quite popular phone that still runs 1.5 ignoring @dimen values. So supporting 1.5, understood as some kind of pure Platonic form, is no problem at all, but dealing with bugs in particular firmware versions is not fun at all. For now, both my apps continue to support 1.5, but a new project I'm working on will only run on 1.6+ - because that's the first version with multi-resolution support, and one really needs that these days. -- Kostya 2011/1/17 TreKing treking...@gmail.com On Mon, Jan 17, 2011 at 7:07 AM, String sterling.ud...@googlemail.comwrote: For my own apps, I don't have a problem supporting 1.5, and I figure that an extra 5% is nothing to sneeze at. But then, I've yet to run into anything that was really problematic for me to support on 1.5. Some of the resource handling is kind of annoying, but not really a big deal. If I had some core feature that I just couldn't make backward-compatible, then yes, I'd drop 1.5 too. But probably not until then, or until the install percentage drops a few more points. This. (Thanks for writing my post for me :-) ) - TreKing http://sites.google.com/site/rezmobileapps/treking - Chicago transit tracking app for Android-powered devices -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Android Developers group. To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.comandroid-developers%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Android Developers group. To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en
[android-developers] Re: Will no longer support Android 1.5
On Wednesday, January 19, 2011 6:49:12 AM UTC, gjs wrote: I'd also suggest rereading the Android Market Distribution Agreement if you are withdrawing V1.5 paid apps your support for them - particularly given Dianne's comments about just bumping minSDK old versions still being available. I think you may still have to provide refunds under some circumstances, when you may have thought your V1.5 version was no longer being distributed. IANAL, but my reading of http://www.android.com/us/developer-distribution-agreement.html only turns up required refunds in section 7, which applies to app takedowns due to such things as TOS violations and IP infringements. Not for just voluntarily choosing to stop distributing an app. String -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Android Developers group. To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en
Re: [android-developers] Re: Will no longer support Android 1.5
http://developer.android.com/resources/dashboard/platform-versions.html You can target 1.6 and still enjoy the speed boost of 2.2 if that's the version you are running on... Unless you are using Version-Specific API calls, I would try to target the lowest version possible (but not lower than 1.6 :-) ) -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Android Developers group. To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en
Re: [android-developers] Re: Will no longer support Android 1.5
How does the analytics API handle offline scenarios? is it possible to store all the interaction of the user offline, and post it in a single bulk request to the analytics server? I know they support bulk submission, but the API states that the entire bulk will be registered with the same time stamp (not very useful) -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Android Developers group. To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en
[android-developers] Re: Will no longer support Android 1.5
Hi, I'd also suggest rereading the Android Market Distribution Agreement if you are withdrawing V1.5 paid apps your support for them - particularly given Dianne's comments about just bumping minSDK old versions still being available. I think you may still have to provide refunds under some circumstances, when you may have thought your V1.5 version was no longer being distributed. Regards. On Jan 18, 9:48 am, Dianne Hackborn hack...@android.com wrote: Huh. Well it could well be, that was so long ago it is hard to remember. :} On Mon, Jan 17, 2011 at 2:42 PM, String sterling.ud...@googlemail.comwrote: FWIW, I had the same experience, now that you mention it. Using @dimen references in widget layout XML doesn't work on 1.5. Bit of a PITA, but I just went ahead and created a few more layouts (rather than resizing them based on dimens) and moved on. It didn't seem like a big enough problem to seriously consider not supporting 1.5 for, and since it was apparently fixed by 1.6, neither did it seem worth raising as an issue anywhere. I haven't had time to dig into the AOSP links you posted, Dianne, but I can back Kostya up on this - it was broken in Cupcake. String -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Android Developers group. To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.comandroid-developers%2Bunsubs cr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en -- Dianne Hackborn Android framework engineer hack...@android.com Note: please don't send private questions to me, as I don't have time to provide private support, and so won't reply to such e-mails. All such questions should be posted on public forums, where I and others can see and answer them. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Android Developers group. To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en
[android-developers] Re: Will no longer support Android 1.5
Hi, I still like targeting V1.5 because it lets you artificially limit the screen resolution on higher res devices - for a free version of your app. And then charge for your V1.6+ version with the supported device resolutions. Regards On Jan 19, 5:49 pm, gjs garyjamessi...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, I'd also suggest rereading the Android Market Distribution Agreement if you are withdrawing V1.5 paid apps your support for them - particularly given Dianne's comments about just bumping minSDK old versions still being available. I think you may still have to provide refunds under some circumstances, when you may have thought your V1.5 version was no longer being distributed. Regards. On Jan 18, 9:48 am, Dianne Hackborn hack...@android.com wrote: Huh. Well it could well be, that was so long ago it is hard to remember. :} On Mon, Jan 17, 2011 at 2:42 PM, String sterling.ud...@googlemail.comwrote: FWIW, I had the same experience, now that you mention it. Using @dimen references in widget layout XML doesn't work on 1.5. Bit of a PITA, but I just went ahead and created a few more layouts (rather than resizing them based on dimens) and moved on. It didn't seem like a big enough problem to seriously consider not supporting 1.5 for, and since it was apparently fixed by 1.6, neither did it seem worth raising as an issue anywhere. I haven't had time to dig into the AOSP links you posted, Dianne, but I can back Kostya up on this - it was broken in Cupcake. String -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Android Developers group. To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.comandroid-developers%2Bunsubs cr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en -- Dianne Hackborn Android framework engineer hack...@android.com Note: please don't send private questions to me, as I don't have time to provide private support, and so won't reply to such e-mails. All such questions should be posted on public forums, where I and others can see and answer them. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Android Developers group. To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en
[android-developers] Re: Will no longer support Android 1.5
I'm not your app user, but I'm curious about this situation. Will 1.5 users be able to download your current app version in the future or will it just dissappear? I always wondered about what happens when one decides to stop supporting old Android versions. It would be good if a version for 1.5 stayed on for 1.5 users. On Jan 17, 9:47 am, Kostya Vasilyev kmans...@gmail.com wrote: I'd say - good riddance! 2011/1/17 Zsolt Vasvari zvasv...@gmail.com I just warned my users that support for Android 1.5 will go away after April 1st. The share of 1.5 is 5% now and dropping. Between not supporting multiple resolutions, wonky RelativeLayout and old style Contacts provider, it's time to say goodbye to 1.5. Would love to hear people's opinion on this decision? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Android Developers group. To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.comandroid-developers%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Android Developers group. To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en
[android-developers] Re: Will no longer support Android 1.5
That's a good point. Current 1.5 users would still need to be redownload the app for whatever reason. I might release a version for Android 1.5 users only and never update it. On Jan 17, 6:00 pm, DraganA dand...@gmail.com wrote: I'm not your app user, but I'm curious about this situation. Will 1.5 users be able to download your current app version in the future or will it just dissappear? I always wondered about what happens when one decides to stop supporting old Android versions. It would be good if a version for 1.5 stayed on for 1.5 users. On Jan 17, 9:47 am, Kostya Vasilyev kmans...@gmail.com wrote: I'd say - good riddance! 2011/1/17 Zsolt Vasvari zvasv...@gmail.com I just warned my users that support for Android 1.5 will go away after April 1st. The share of 1.5 is 5% now and dropping. Between not supporting multiple resolutions, wonky RelativeLayout and old style Contacts provider, it's time to say goodbye to 1.5. Would love to hear people's opinion on this decision? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Android Developers group. To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.comandroid-developers%2Bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Android Developers group. To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en
[android-developers] Re: Will no longer support Android 1.5
For my own apps, I don't have a problem supporting 1.5, and I figure that an extra 5% is nothing to sneeze at. But then, I've yet to run into anything that was really problematic for me to support on 1.5. Some of the resource handling is kind of annoying, but not really a big deal. If I had some core feature that I just couldn't make backward-compatible, then yes, I'd drop 1.5 too. But probably not until then, or until the install percentage drops a few more points. String -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Android Developers group. To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en
Re: [android-developers] Re: Will no longer support Android 1.5
On Mon, Jan 17, 2011 at 7:07 AM, String sterling.ud...@googlemail.comwrote: For my own apps, I don't have a problem supporting 1.5, and I figure that an extra 5% is nothing to sneeze at. But then, I've yet to run into anything that was really problematic for me to support on 1.5. Some of the resource handling is kind of annoying, but not really a big deal. If I had some core feature that I just couldn't make backward-compatible, then yes, I'd drop 1.5 too. But probably not until then, or until the install percentage drops a few more points. This. (Thanks for writing my post for me :-) ) - TreKing http://sites.google.com/site/rezmobileapps/treking - Chicago transit tracking app for Android-powered devices -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Android Developers group. To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en
Re: [android-developers] Re: Will no longer support Android 1.5
I've been tempted to drop 1.5, partly because it tends to be installed on low-end devices where people will not have a very good experience of my app, but recently my percentage of 1.5 users has gone up instead of down on some apps. There's a big difference between dropping (loyal) 1.5 users and never having them in the first place, so for new apps my default assumption is I will target 1.6+ or even 2.1+. SJ On Mon, Jan 17, 2011 at 8:52 AM, TreKing treking...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Jan 17, 2011 at 7:07 AM, String sterling.ud...@googlemail.com wrote: For my own apps, I don't have a problem supporting 1.5, and I figure that an extra 5% is nothing to sneeze at. But then, I've yet to run into anything that was really problematic for me to support on 1.5. Some of the resource handling is kind of annoying, but not really a big deal. If I had some core feature that I just couldn't make backward-compatible, then yes, I'd drop 1.5 too. But probably not until then, or until the install percentage drops a few more points. This. (Thanks for writing my post for me :-) ) - TreKing - Chicago transit tracking app for Android-powered devices -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Android Developers group. To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Android Developers group. To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en
Re: [android-developers] Re: Will no longer support Android 1.5
Is there a site that shows the number of users for each version? I'd rather target 2.2+ now.. just because its the version that brought in a big speed boost, making a lot more apps much smoother. I still have the Droid 1 and I thought that was one of the lower end devices out there? Being that I'll be able to upgrade this year, I would suspect by end of this year most of the owners would be on 2.2 or later. On Mon, Jan 17, 2011 at 6:50 AM, Stephen Jungels sjung...@gmail.com wrote: I've been tempted to drop 1.5, partly because it tends to be installed on low-end devices where people will not have a very good experience of my app, but recently my percentage of 1.5 users has gone up instead of down on some apps. There's a big difference between dropping (loyal) 1.5 users and never having them in the first place, so for new apps my default assumption is I will target 1.6+ or even 2.1+. SJ On Mon, Jan 17, 2011 at 8:52 AM, TreKing treking...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Jan 17, 2011 at 7:07 AM, String sterling.ud...@googlemail.com wrote: For my own apps, I don't have a problem supporting 1.5, and I figure that an extra 5% is nothing to sneeze at. But then, I've yet to run into anything that was really problematic for me to support on 1.5. Some of the resource handling is kind of annoying, but not really a big deal. If I had some core feature that I just couldn't make backward-compatible, then yes, I'd drop 1.5 too. But probably not until then, or until the install percentage drops a few more points. This. (Thanks for writing my post for me :-) ) - TreKing - Chicago transit tracking app for Android-powered devices -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Android Developers group. To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.comandroid-developers%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Android Developers group. To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.comandroid-developers%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Android Developers group. To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en
Re: [android-developers] Re: Will no longer support Android 1.5
Is this what you are looking for? http://developer.android.com/resources/dashboard/platform-versions.html -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Android Developers group. To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en
Re: [android-developers] Re: Will no longer support Android 1.5
I recently ran into some 1.5 issues with my widgets that were caused by a certain quite popular phone that still runs 1.5 ignoring @dimen values. So supporting 1.5, understood as some kind of pure Platonic form, is no problem at all, but dealing with bugs in particular firmware versions is not fun at all. For now, both my apps continue to support 1.5, but a new project I'm working on will only run on 1.6+ - because that's the first version with multi-resolution support, and one really needs that these days. -- Kostya 2011/1/17 TreKing treking...@gmail.com On Mon, Jan 17, 2011 at 7:07 AM, String sterling.ud...@googlemail.comwrote: For my own apps, I don't have a problem supporting 1.5, and I figure that an extra 5% is nothing to sneeze at. But then, I've yet to run into anything that was really problematic for me to support on 1.5. Some of the resource handling is kind of annoying, but not really a big deal. If I had some core feature that I just couldn't make backward-compatible, then yes, I'd drop 1.5 too. But probably not until then, or until the install percentage drops a few more points. This. (Thanks for writing my post for me :-) ) - TreKing http://sites.google.com/site/rezmobileapps/treking - Chicago transit tracking app for Android-powered devices -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Android Developers group. To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.comandroid-developers%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Android Developers group. To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en
Re: [android-developers] Re: Will no longer support Android 1.5
Not absolute numbers, but rather percentages, can be seen here: http://developer.android.com/resources/dashboard/platform-versions.html -- Kostya 2011/1/17 Kevin Duffey andjar...@gmail.com Is there a site that shows the number of users for each version? I'd rather target 2.2+ now.. just because its the version that brought in a big speed boost, making a lot more apps much smoother. I still have the Droid 1 and I thought that was one of the lower end devices out there? Being that I'll be able to upgrade this year, I would suspect by end of this year most of the owners would be on 2.2 or later. On Mon, Jan 17, 2011 at 6:50 AM, Stephen Jungels sjung...@gmail.comwrote: I've been tempted to drop 1.5, partly because it tends to be installed on low-end devices where people will not have a very good experience of my app, but recently my percentage of 1.5 users has gone up instead of down on some apps. There's a big difference between dropping (loyal) 1.5 users and never having them in the first place, so for new apps my default assumption is I will target 1.6+ or even 2.1+. SJ On Mon, Jan 17, 2011 at 8:52 AM, TreKing treking...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Jan 17, 2011 at 7:07 AM, String sterling.ud...@googlemail.com wrote: For my own apps, I don't have a problem supporting 1.5, and I figure that an extra 5% is nothing to sneeze at. But then, I've yet to run into anything that was really problematic for me to support on 1.5. Some of the resource handling is kind of annoying, but not really a big deal. If I had some core feature that I just couldn't make backward-compatible, then yes, I'd drop 1.5 too. But probably not until then, or until the install percentage drops a few more points. This. (Thanks for writing my post for me :-) ) - TreKing - Chicago transit tracking app for Android-powered devices -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Android Developers group. To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.comandroid-developers%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Android Developers group. To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.comandroid-developers%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Android Developers group. To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.comandroid-developers%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Android Developers group. To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en
Re: [android-developers] Re: Will no longer support Android 1.5
Indeed. Good info to have. So looks like 2.1+ is the target. On Mon, Jan 17, 2011 at 7:19 AM, Laks laks.pendy...@gmail.com wrote: Is this what you are looking for? http://developer.android.com/resources/dashboard/platform-versions.html -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Android Developers group. To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.comandroid-developers%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Android Developers group. To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en
[android-developers] Re: Will no longer support Android 1.5
I started development during 2.1 so i never went there. I'm moving all new code up to minimum 2.2 because thats were 60% of my customer base is. That said, I'll support the one app I have thats 2.1 for as long as I have greater than 10% users. On that note. It's bogus that the Market doesn't give me any stats on who my users are. I had to go to ApBrain for that. How are you tracking what percentage of your users are on what platform? There is a GOogle Analytics library for Aneroid, but I haven't tried implementing it yet. - Brill Pappin On Jan 17, 3:32 am, Zsolt Vasvari zvasv...@gmail.com wrote: I just warned my users that support for Android 1.5 will go away after April 1st. The share of 1.5 is 5% now and dropping. Between not supporting multiple resolutions, wonky RelativeLayout and old style Contacts provider, it's time to say goodbye to 1.5. Would love to hear people's opinion on this decision? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Android Developers group. To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en
[android-developers] Re: Will no longer support Android 1.5
Its shameful, but the Market doesn't give us any useful data on that (which makes giving quality product a problem). I got my data through AppBrain, but its certainly not ideal. There is a lib for Google Analytic, but I looks a bit chunky, so I haven't tried to use it yet. - Brill Pappin On Jan 17, 10:14 am, Kevin Duffey andjar...@gmail.com wrote: Is there a site that shows the number of users for each version? I'd rather target 2.2+ now.. just because its the version that brought in a big speed boost, making a lot more apps much smoother. I still have the Droid 1 and I thought that was one of the lower end devices out there? Being that I'll be able to upgrade this year, I would suspect by end of this year most of the owners would be on 2.2 or later. On Mon, Jan 17, 2011 at 6:50 AM, Stephen Jungels sjung...@gmail.com wrote: I've been tempted to drop 1.5, partly because it tends to be installed on low-end devices where people will not have a very good experience of my app, but recently my percentage of 1.5 users has gone up instead of down on some apps. There's a big difference between dropping (loyal) 1.5 users and never having them in the first place, so for new apps my default assumption is I will target 1.6+ or even 2.1+. SJ On Mon, Jan 17, 2011 at 8:52 AM, TreKing treking...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Jan 17, 2011 at 7:07 AM, String sterling.ud...@googlemail.com wrote: For my own apps, I don't have a problem supporting 1.5, and I figure that an extra 5% is nothing to sneeze at. But then, I've yet to run into anything that was really problematic for me to support on 1.5. Some of the resource handling is kind of annoying, but not really a big deal. If I had some core feature that I just couldn't make backward-compatible, then yes, I'd drop 1.5 too. But probably not until then, or until the install percentage drops a few more points. This. (Thanks for writing my post for me :-) ) --- -- TreKing - Chicago transit tracking app for Android-powered devices -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Android Developers group. To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.comandroid-developers%2Bunsubs cr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Android Developers group. To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.comandroid-developers%2Bunsubs cr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Android Developers group. To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en
[android-developers] Re: Will no longer support Android 1.5
Thats fine, but doesn't give you any stats on your own app, which is very important for maintaining customer loyalty. We intend to make the company a truste name (not just the apps) in the market with quality product, so we really want to know what *our* users are doing. - Brill Pappin On Jan 17, 10:19 am, Laks laks.pendy...@gmail.com wrote: Is this what you are looking for? http://developer.android.com/resources/dashboard/platform-versions.html -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Android Developers group. To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en
Re: [android-developers] Re: Will no longer support Android 1.5
My stats are from Google Analytics. If you use it and explain what you are doing in your terms of service or license agreement, you are likely to get at least a few comments from users who think you are spying on them, but in some cases it is worth it because you have a better picture of how your app is being used. SJ On Mon, Jan 17, 2011 at 10:37 AM, Brill Pappin br...@pappin.ca wrote: Thats fine, but doesn't give you any stats on your own app, which is very important for maintaining customer loyalty. We intend to make the company a truste name (not just the apps) in the market with quality product, so we really want to know what *our* users are doing. - Brill Pappin On Jan 17, 10:19 am, Laks laks.pendy...@gmail.com wrote: Is this what you are looking for? http://developer.android.com/resources/dashboard/platform-versions.html -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Android Developers group. To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Android Developers group. To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en
Re: [android-developers] Re: Will no longer support Android 1.5
On Monday, January 17, 2011 3:27:02 PM UTC, Kostya Vasilyev wrote: For now, both my apps continue to support 1.5, but a new project I'm working on will only run on 1.6+ - because that's the first version with multi-resolution support, and one really needs that these days. What are you doing with multi-resolution that's problematic? I have quite a bit of multi-resolution code, and so far the vast majority has degraded pretty gracefully on 1.5. String -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Android Developers group. To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en
Re: [android-developers] Re: Will no longer support Android 1.5
I'm using @dimens quite a bit, not because I have different values for different screen sizes / resolutions, but because it lets me tweak my layouts more easily during development. After seeing them not work on a certain 1.5 device (even though that's part of API level 1), I've decided that the extra 5% is not worth the trouble. -- Kostya 2011/1/17 String sterling.ud...@googlemail.com On Monday, January 17, 2011 3:27:02 PM UTC, Kostya Vasilyev wrote: For now, both my apps continue to support 1.5, but a new project I'm working on will only run on 1.6+ - because that's the first version with multi-resolution support, and one really needs that these days. What are you doing with multi-resolution that's problematic? I have quite a bit of multi-resolution code, and so far the vast majority has degraded pretty gracefully on 1.5. String -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Android Developers group. To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.comandroid-developers%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Android Developers group. To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en
Re: [android-developers] Re: Will no longer support Android 1.5
By @dimens do you mean the dp unit in layouts? If there is something not working on a device, we'd like to know about it because it is not compatible with the CDD which is a requirement for having Market. On Mon, Jan 17, 2011 at 9:40 AM, Kostya Vasilyev kmans...@gmail.com wrote: I'm using @dimens quite a bit, not because I have different values for different screen sizes / resolutions, but because it lets me tweak my layouts more easily during development. After seeing them not work on a certain 1.5 device (even though that's part of API level 1), I've decided that the extra 5% is not worth the trouble. -- Kostya 2011/1/17 String sterling.ud...@googlemail.com On Monday, January 17, 2011 3:27:02 PM UTC, Kostya Vasilyev wrote: For now, both my apps continue to support 1.5, but a new project I'm working on will only run on 1.6+ - because that's the first version with multi-resolution support, and one really needs that these days. What are you doing with multi-resolution that's problematic? I have quite a bit of multi-resolution code, and so far the vast majority has degraded pretty gracefully on 1.5. String -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Android Developers group. To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.comandroid-developers%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Android Developers group. To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.comandroid-developers%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en -- Dianne Hackborn Android framework engineer hack...@android.com Note: please don't send private questions to me, as I don't have time to provide private support, and so won't reply to such e-mails. All such questions should be posted on public forums, where I and others can see and answer them. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Android Developers group. To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en
Re: [android-developers] Re: Will no longer support Android 1.5
Oh and I believe on Market that if you put up a new version of your app with a higher minSdkVersion, the most recent older version will still be visible to older devices. That is, the .apks you upload are never deleted; a new version just supersedes an older one for the devices it is compatible with. On Mon, Jan 17, 2011 at 10:14 AM, Dianne Hackborn hack...@android.comwrote: By @dimens do you mean the dp unit in layouts? If there is something not working on a device, we'd like to know about it because it is not compatible with the CDD which is a requirement for having Market. On Mon, Jan 17, 2011 at 9:40 AM, Kostya Vasilyev kmans...@gmail.comwrote: I'm using @dimens quite a bit, not because I have different values for different screen sizes / resolutions, but because it lets me tweak my layouts more easily during development. After seeing them not work on a certain 1.5 device (even though that's part of API level 1), I've decided that the extra 5% is not worth the trouble. -- Kostya 2011/1/17 String sterling.ud...@googlemail.com On Monday, January 17, 2011 3:27:02 PM UTC, Kostya Vasilyev wrote: For now, both my apps continue to support 1.5, but a new project I'm working on will only run on 1.6+ - because that's the first version with multi-resolution support, and one really needs that these days. What are you doing with multi-resolution that's problematic? I have quite a bit of multi-resolution code, and so far the vast majority has degraded pretty gracefully on 1.5. String -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Android Developers group. To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.comandroid-developers%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Android Developers group. To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.comandroid-developers%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en -- Dianne Hackborn Android framework engineer hack...@android.com Note: please don't send private questions to me, as I don't have time to provide private support, and so won't reply to such e-mails. All such questions should be posted on public forums, where I and others can see and answer them. -- Dianne Hackborn Android framework engineer hack...@android.com Note: please don't send private questions to me, as I don't have time to provide private support, and so won't reply to such e-mails. All such questions should be posted on public forums, where I and others can see and answer them. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Android Developers group. To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en
Re: [android-developers] Re: Will no longer support Android 1.5
No, I mean defining a value like this: dimen name=some_value140dp/dimen and then using it like this: RealtiveLayout . android:layout_width=@dimen/some_value I used this for widget sizing, and had a default fallback dimens.xml in res/values (without alternate qualifiers). Based on my user's feedback, this produced zero-sized (invisible) widget layouts. Was this supposed to work for 1.5? -- Kostya 2011/1/17 Dianne Hackborn hack...@android.com By @dimens do you mean the dp unit in layouts? If there is something not working on a device, we'd like to know about it because it is not compatible with the CDD which is a requirement for having Market. On Mon, Jan 17, 2011 at 9:40 AM, Kostya Vasilyev kmans...@gmail.comwrote: I'm using @dimens quite a bit, not because I have different values for different screen sizes / resolutions, but because it lets me tweak my layouts more easily during development. After seeing them not work on a certain 1.5 device (even though that's part of API level 1), I've decided that the extra 5% is not worth the trouble. -- Kostya 2011/1/17 String sterling.ud...@googlemail.com On Monday, January 17, 2011 3:27:02 PM UTC, Kostya Vasilyev wrote: For now, both my apps continue to support 1.5, but a new project I'm working on will only run on 1.6+ - because that's the first version with multi-resolution support, and one really needs that these days. What are you doing with multi-resolution that's problematic? I have quite a bit of multi-resolution code, and so far the vast majority has degraded pretty gracefully on 1.5. String -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Android Developers group. To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.comandroid-developers%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Android Developers group. To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.comandroid-developers%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en -- Dianne Hackborn Android framework engineer hack...@android.com Note: please don't send private questions to me, as I don't have time to provide private support, and so won't reply to such e-mails. All such questions should be posted on public forums, where I and others can see and answer them. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Android Developers group. To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.comandroid-developers%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Android Developers group. To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en
Re: [android-developers] Re: Will no longer support Android 1.5
On Mon, Jan 17, 2011 at 12:18 PM, Dianne Hackborn hack...@android.comwrote: Oh and I believe on Market that if you put up a new version of your app with a higher minSdkVersion, the most recent older version will still be visible to older devices. That is, the .apks you upload are never deleted; a new version just supersedes an older one for the devices it is compatible with. Holy crap - why is awesome information like this not clearly documented somewhere!? (Or is it ...?) - TreKing http://sites.google.com/site/rezmobileapps/treking - Chicago transit tracking app for Android-powered devices -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Android Developers group. To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en
[android-developers] Re: Will no longer support Android 1.5
Holy crap - why is awesome information like this not clearly documented somewhere!? (Or is it ...?) You crystalized my thoughts...although I usually find I just didn't read the documnetation deeply :) -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Android Developers group. To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en
Re: [android-developers] Re: Will no longer support Android 1.5
That's strange, I don't see why that wouldn't work. This is the code in 1.5: http://android.git.kernel.org/?p=platform/frameworks/base.git;a=blob;f=core/java/android/view/ViewGroup.java;h=e686d1c20bd21eaa050ff3bf9187b549ee7b1355;hb=refs/heads/cupcake-release#l3319 Which boils down to: http://android.git.kernel.org/?p=platform/frameworks/base.git;a=blob;f=core/java/android/content/res/TypedArray.java;h=3a32c0312202532c32bb79c0801121c4fc09b70c;hb=refs/heads/cupcake-release#l426 That seems basically like the code we have today, so should work the same way. The only way I can imagine someone breaking this is if they change the implementation of those two functions... and if someone does that, I hate them. :| For what it's worth, the whole @dimen thing is very intrinsic to the resource system; it is not really a special @dimen, but the @ syntax that generally says to get the value from the resource indicated. The only thing that knows anything about dimen at all just aapt to help you build resources in a standard way. So the simple act of retrieving a TypedArray will already take care of resolving resource references to their final value, and does this independently of what specific types there are. You can't break things at this level without breaking all kinds of stuff. Which is all to say, I have no idea why that would break. :/ On Mon, Jan 17, 2011 at 10:26 AM, Kostya Vasilyev kmans...@gmail.comwrote: No, I mean defining a value like this: dimen name=some_value140dp/dimen and then using it like this: RealtiveLayout . android:layout_width=@dimen/some_value I used this for widget sizing, and had a default fallback dimens.xml in res/values (without alternate qualifiers). Based on my user's feedback, this produced zero-sized (invisible) widget layouts. Was this supposed to work for 1.5? -- Kostya 2011/1/17 Dianne Hackborn hack...@android.com By @dimens do you mean the dp unit in layouts? If there is something not working on a device, we'd like to know about it because it is not compatible with the CDD which is a requirement for having Market. On Mon, Jan 17, 2011 at 9:40 AM, Kostya Vasilyev kmans...@gmail.comwrote: I'm using @dimens quite a bit, not because I have different values for different screen sizes / resolutions, but because it lets me tweak my layouts more easily during development. After seeing them not work on a certain 1.5 device (even though that's part of API level 1), I've decided that the extra 5% is not worth the trouble. -- Kostya 2011/1/17 String sterling.ud...@googlemail.com On Monday, January 17, 2011 3:27:02 PM UTC, Kostya Vasilyev wrote: For now, both my apps continue to support 1.5, but a new project I'm working on will only run on 1.6+ - because that's the first version with multi-resolution support, and one really needs that these days. What are you doing with multi-resolution that's problematic? I have quite a bit of multi-resolution code, and so far the vast majority has degraded pretty gracefully on 1.5. String -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Android Developers group. To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.comandroid-developers%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Android Developers group. To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.comandroid-developers%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en -- Dianne Hackborn Android framework engineer hack...@android.com Note: please don't send private questions to me, as I don't have time to provide private support, and so won't reply to such e-mails. All such questions should be posted on public forums, where I and others can see and answer them. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Android Developers group. To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.comandroid-developers%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Android Developers group. To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.comandroid-developers%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this
[android-developers] Re: Will no longer support Android 1.5
On Jan 17, 11:33 am, Ken H hunt1...@gmail.com wrote: Holy crap - why is awesome information like this not clearly documented somewhere!? (Or is it ...?) You crystalized my thoughts...although I usually find I just didn't read the documnetation deeply :) This was news to me too, and I swear I've read everything at least once. Not that the Android Market itself has documentation for developers to read. Doug -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Android Developers group. To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en
Re: [android-developers] Re: Will no longer support Android 1.5
FWIW, I had the same experience, now that you mention it. Using @dimen references in widget layout XML doesn't work on 1.5. Bit of a PITA, but I just went ahead and created a few more layouts (rather than resizing them based on dimens) and moved on. It didn't seem like a big enough problem to seriously consider not supporting 1.5 for, and since it was apparently fixed by 1.6, neither did it seem worth raising as an issue anywhere. I haven't had time to dig into the AOSP links you posted, Dianne, but I can back Kostya up on this - it was broken in Cupcake. String -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Android Developers group. To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en
Re: [android-developers] Re: Will no longer support Android 1.5
Huh. Well it could well be, that was so long ago it is hard to remember. :} On Mon, Jan 17, 2011 at 2:42 PM, String sterling.ud...@googlemail.comwrote: FWIW, I had the same experience, now that you mention it. Using @dimen references in widget layout XML doesn't work on 1.5. Bit of a PITA, but I just went ahead and created a few more layouts (rather than resizing them based on dimens) and moved on. It didn't seem like a big enough problem to seriously consider not supporting 1.5 for, and since it was apparently fixed by 1.6, neither did it seem worth raising as an issue anywhere. I haven't had time to dig into the AOSP links you posted, Dianne, but I can back Kostya up on this - it was broken in Cupcake. String -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Android Developers group. To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.comandroid-developers%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en -- Dianne Hackborn Android framework engineer hack...@android.com Note: please don't send private questions to me, as I don't have time to provide private support, and so won't reply to such e-mails. All such questions should be posted on public forums, where I and others can see and answer them. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Android Developers group. To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en
