Re: [android-developers] Re: Google Development phones

[Christopher Van Kirk]

Yes, that's precisely my point. I'm sure Google has these numbers 
available to them. They should make them available to us.


On 9/23/2011 2:05 AM, TreKing wrote:
On Thu, Sep 22, 2011 at 12:35 PM, Christopher Van Kirk 
mailto:christopher.vank...@gmail.com>> 
wrote:


Those are specifications, not metrics.


Well, sure, if you want to go by the definitions of the words ... =P

How many of each model was sold? How many are still in use? What's
the median processor speed? GPU capability? Do they have SD cards?
If so, how large. How much memory is available on average?

Those are metrics. If you have a link for those I'd be very
appreciative.


I don't - I'd be surprised if those kind of details were available 
anywhere.


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Re: [android-developers] Re: Google Development phones

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On Thu, Sep 22, 2011 at 12:35 PM, Christopher Van Kirk <
christopher.vank...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Those are specifications, not metrics.
>

Well, sure, if you want to go by the definitions of the words ... =P

How many of each model was sold? How many are still in use? What's the
> median processor speed? GPU capability? Do they have SD cards? If so, how
> large. How much memory is available on average?
>
> Those are metrics. If you have a link for those I'd be very appreciative.
>

I don't - I'd be surprised if those kind of details were available anywhere.

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Re: [android-developers] Re: Google Development phones

[Christopher Van Kirk]

Those are specifications, not metrics.

How many of each model was sold? How many are still in use? What's the 
median processor speed? GPU capability? Do they have SD cards? If so, 
how large. How much memory is available on average?


Those are metrics. If you have a link for those I'd be very appreciative.

On 9/23/2011 12:01 AM, TreKing wrote:
On Thu, Sep 22, 2011 at 1:27 AM, Christopher Van Kirk 
mailto:christopher.vank...@gmail.com>> 
wrote:


Sure would be nice if Google published some device capability
metrics, wouldn't it?


http://www.google.com/phone/

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Re: [android-developers] Re: Google Development phones

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On Thu, Sep 22, 2011 at 1:27 AM, Christopher Van Kirk <
christopher.vank...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Sure would be nice if Google published some device capability metrics,
> wouldn't it?


http://www.google.com/phone/

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Re: [android-developers] Re: Google Development phones

[kdı gjofd]

Nexus Prime will come..if you think to buy Nexus One..i god nexus
one..it is good for cpu but Multitouch and resuliton is problem..You
can look at youtube for multitouh problem..
Nexus S ... i didnt used it but good i think..
if you god money you can buy Nexus Prime if you can wait

2011/9/21, Christopher Van Kirk :
> The "original" developer phone was the G1.
>
> Then came the Magic/G2.
>
> Then came the Nexus One.
>
> The current developer phone is the Nexus S, but it's an open question
> whether you really want to get one. The Nexus S is always closest to the
> bleeding edge of the phone operating system. The rest of the market,
> however, is still pretty far behind (I think something like 60% still
> runs Android 2.2, and if you look at Verizon's stable of phones, very
> few are > 2.2). So if you're developing for mass consumption it might be
> better to get something a bit more "retro."
>
>
> On 9/22/2011 12:17 AM, Kristopher Micinski wrote:
>> The original development phone was the nexus one, however the concept
>> of an official "development phone" hasn't been around for a long time,
>> and people just generally use their own devices for development these
>> days.  As long as you buy a nice device (for what you want to do with
>> it) you should be fine, optionally one that you think you can quickly
>> root.
>>
>> Kris
>>
>> On Wed, Sep 21, 2011 at 9:55 AM, kypriakos  wrote:
>>> Hi all,
>>>
>>> the Market lists only one phone, the Nexus One and it says it is not
>>> longer
>>> available. Does that mean that Google is out of stock or does it mean
>>> that
>>> they are simply switching to a new phone and so this was off their
>>> pages?
>>>
>>> Thanks
>>>
>>> On Aug 18, 1:26 pm, Mark Ayers  wrote:
 The Nexus phones will always get updates quickest, though I'd be willing
 to
 bet that after the Nexus Prime, they will all be made by Motoogle.
 On Aug 18, 2011 6:06 AM, "ColorTheorist"
 wrote:







> "Sorry, that was just a throwaway comment. Eventually Motorola will
> become the gold standard for Android phones due to their proximity to
> the software, but in the short term they're no different than any
> other
> device. If whoever it was needs a phone today any of the phones that
> are
> out there should be fine."
> That's not entirely true. Motorola phones are still on top of their
> updates faster than most other devices, while other cheaper phones
> might not receive updates at all, or take quite an extensive amount of
> time to get the newest releases. As a developer it is useful to get
> the newest updates in a timely manner if you plan on using them
> anywhere near the newest OS release.
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Re: [android-developers] Re: Google Development phones

[Christopher Van Kirk]

Sure would be nice if Google published some device capability metrics, 
wouldn't it?


On 9/22/2011 1:36 PM, B.Arunkumar wrote:

Hi,

I am interested in this discussion. I would like to know whether
there is any Unlocked Android mobile with 1GHz Processor and GPU with
Android Froyo/Gingerbread OS priced around $150-200?

Actually, we have have developed an application to use FFMPEG and
render video frames. Currently, we have a LG Optimus One mobile which
has a 600 Mhz processor. The problem is that we are getting a slower
frame rate at 640 * 480 resolution. We are thinking of buying a mobile
which has a higher configuration as mentioned above. Would anybody
know whether the performance of our app is likely to better on this
mobile?

B.Arunkumar

On Sep 22, 7:22 am, kypriakos  wrote:

Good point - and I think the Nexus S is a bit overpriced. I had G1
phones
for a while (both the development and the retail versions) running
1.6
but I have not been able to upgrade the retail ones to 2.1 or 2.2. I
am assuming
the only images I can find are the Cyanmodegen ones?

A Verizon developer told me they are developing on primarily Motorola
phones
and it seems that they are still using Droids which makes your point
valid.
I did check out the pie chart of the Android OS distribution on
devices and
yes 2.1 is still at 18% and the bulk of it is on 2.2 etc. So it makes
sense
to take it easy on the platforms I should use.

Is it easy to root such phones? I know that it is not necessary to go
through
the risk of rooting phones since non rooted phones can suffice.

On Sep 21, 12:59 pm, Christopher Van Kirk

  wrote:

The "original" developer phone was the G1.
Then came the Magic/G2.
Then came the Nexus One.
The current developer phone is the Nexus S, but it's an open question
whether you really want to get one. The Nexus S is always closest to the
bleeding edge of the phone operating system. The rest of the market,
however, is still pretty far behind (I think something like 60% still
runs Android 2.2, and if you look at Verizon's stable of phones, very
few are>  2.2). So if you're developing for mass consumption it might be
better to get something a bit more "retro."
On 9/22/2011 12:17 AM, Kristopher Micinski wrote:

The original development phone was the nexus one, however the concept
of an official "development phone" hasn't been around for a long time,
and people just generally use their own devices for development these
days.  As long as you buy a nice device (for what you want to do with
it) you should be fine, optionally one that you think you can quickly
root.
Kris
On Wed, Sep 21, 2011 at 9:55 AM, kypriakoswrote:

Hi all,
the Market lists only one phone, the Nexus One and it says it is not
longer
available. Does that mean that Google is out of stock or does it mean
that
they are simply switching to a new phone and so this was off their
pages?
Thanks
On Aug 18, 1:26 pm, Mark Ayerswrote:

The Nexus phones will always get updates quickest, though I'd be willing to
bet that after the Nexus Prime, they will all be made by Motoogle.
On Aug 18, 2011 6:06 AM, "ColorTheorist"
wrote:

"Sorry, that was just a throwaway comment. Eventually Motorola will
become the gold standard for Android phones due to their proximity to
the software, but in the short term they're no different than any
other
device. If whoever it was needs a phone today any of the phones that
are
out there should be fine."
That's not entirely true. Motorola phones are still on top of their
updates faster than most other devices, while other cheaper phones
might not receive updates at all, or take quite an extensive amount of
time to get the newest releases. As a developer it is useful to get
the newest updates in a timely manner if you plan on using them
anywhere near the newest OS release.
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Re: [android-developers] Re: Google Development phones

[Christopher Van Kirk]

The "original" developer phone was the G1.

Then came the Magic/G2.

Then came the Nexus One.

The current developer phone is the Nexus S, but it's an open question 
whether you really want to get one. The Nexus S is always closest to the 
bleeding edge of the phone operating system. The rest of the market, 
however, is still pretty far behind (I think something like 60% still 
runs Android 2.2, and if you look at Verizon's stable of phones, very 
few are > 2.2). So if you're developing for mass consumption it might be 
better to get something a bit more "retro."



On 9/22/2011 12:17 AM, Kristopher Micinski wrote:

The original development phone was the nexus one, however the concept
of an official "development phone" hasn't been around for a long time,
and people just generally use their own devices for development these
days.  As long as you buy a nice device (for what you want to do with
it) you should be fine, optionally one that you think you can quickly
root.

Kris

On Wed, Sep 21, 2011 at 9:55 AM, kypriakos  wrote:

Hi all,

the Market lists only one phone, the Nexus One and it says it is not
longer
available. Does that mean that Google is out of stock or does it mean
that
they are simply switching to a new phone and so this was off their
pages?

Thanks

On Aug 18, 1:26 pm, Mark Ayers  wrote:

The Nexus phones will always get updates quickest, though I'd be willing to
bet that after the Nexus Prime, they will all be made by Motoogle.
On Aug 18, 2011 6:06 AM, "ColorTheorist"
wrote:








"Sorry, that was just a throwaway comment. Eventually Motorola will
become the gold standard for Android phones due to their proximity to
the software, but in the short term they're no different than any
other
device. If whoever it was needs a phone today any of the phones that
are
out there should be fine."
That's not entirely true. Motorola phones are still on top of their
updates faster than most other devices, while other cheaper phones
might not receive updates at all, or take quite an extensive amount of
time to get the newest releases. As a developer it is useful to get
the newest updates in a timely manner if you plan on using them
anywhere near the newest OS release.
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Re: [android-developers] Re: Google Development phones

[Kristopher Micinski]

The original development phone was the nexus one, however the concept
of an official "development phone" hasn't been around for a long time,
and people just generally use their own devices for development these
days.  As long as you buy a nice device (for what you want to do with
it) you should be fine, optionally one that you think you can quickly
root.

Kris

On Wed, Sep 21, 2011 at 9:55 AM, kypriakos  wrote:
>
> Hi all,
>
> the Market lists only one phone, the Nexus One and it says it is not
> longer
> available. Does that mean that Google is out of stock or does it mean
> that
> they are simply switching to a new phone and so this was off their
> pages?
>
> Thanks
>
> On Aug 18, 1:26 pm, Mark Ayers  wrote:
>> The Nexus phones will always get updates quickest, though I'd be willing to
>> bet that after the Nexus Prime, they will all be made by Motoogle.
>> On Aug 18, 2011 6:06 AM, "ColorTheorist" 
>> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> > "Sorry, that was just a throwaway comment. Eventually Motorola will
>> > become the gold standard for Android phones due to their proximity to
>> > the software, but in the short term they're no different than any
>> > other
>> > device. If whoever it was needs a phone today any of the phones that
>> > are
>> > out there should be fine."
>>
>> > That's not entirely true. Motorola phones are still on top of their
>> > updates faster than most other devices, while other cheaper phones
>> > might not receive updates at all, or take quite an extensive amount of
>> > time to get the newest releases. As a developer it is useful to get
>> > the newest updates in a timely manner if you plan on using them
>> > anywhere near the newest OS release.
>>
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Re: [android-developers] Re: Google Development phones

[Mark Ayers]

The Nexus phones will always get updates quickest, though I'd be willing to
bet that after the Nexus Prime, they will all be made by Motoogle.
On Aug 18, 2011 6:06 AM, "ColorTheorist" 
wrote:
> "Sorry, that was just a throwaway comment. Eventually Motorola will
> become the gold standard for Android phones due to their proximity to
> the software, but in the short term they're no different than any
> other
> device. If whoever it was needs a phone today any of the phones that
> are
> out there should be fine."
>
> That's not entirely true. Motorola phones are still on top of their
> updates faster than most other devices, while other cheaper phones
> might not receive updates at all, or take quite an extensive amount of
> time to get the newest releases. As a developer it is useful to get
> the newest updates in a timely manner if you plan on using them
> anywhere near the newest OS release.
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Re: [android-developers] Re: Google Development phones

[Christopher Van Kirk]

Sorry, that was just a throwaway comment. Eventually Motorola will 
become the gold standard for Android phones due to their proximity to 
the software, but in the short term they're no different than any other 
device. If whoever it was needs a phone today any of the phones that are 
out there should be fine.



On 8/18/2011 4:23 AM, Cactus Mitch wrote:

Do you make this recommendation, (wait and buy Motorola,)  because of
the news that big-G has just bought MobileRolla?  Give them time to
develop a hot in house phone?



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Re: [android-developers] Re: Google Development phones

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On Tue, Aug 16, 2011 at 11:25 PM, kypriakos  wrote:

>
> Good pt Chris - for now the Use Cases we are after only require good
> camera
> resolution and wi-fi connectivity (which is mostly standard on all of
> these
> phones). I am assuming is easy to root most of these phones?
>
> Swappa.com seems to have some good deals so I will follow up with that
> one
> as well as with TigerDirect.
>
>
I looked at it: never pay $200 for a used nexus one ;-).

But yeah, all valid points, same as buying anything cheap: you get what you
pay for.

Kris

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Re: [android-developers] Re: Google Development phones

[Christopher Van Kirk]

Be careful here. If you're looking for a phone with 'advanced' graphics 
hardware, one of those el-cheapo things won't do the trick for you. It's 
probably a good idea to narrow your field down to some set of models 
that you are interested in based on what you're planning to develop. 
E.g. a G2 lacks the hardware to support OpenGL ES2.


On 8/17/2011 1:32 AM, Kristopher Micinski wrote:
If you're looking for something really cheap(?), I believe sites such 
as TigerDirect have them for as cheap as $99.  (I think I saw that ad 
earlier this week?.)  Even though at this point they're quite old, 
they are pretty useful once you load them with a cyanogenmod.  (up to 
2.2,  I doubt 2.3 runs on that.  But... ?)


Kris

On Tue, Aug 16, 2011 at 12:40 PM, Nico Balestra 
mailto:nicobales...@gmail.com>> wrote:


Just to double check.. does swappa dispatch to UK or is US only?

Cheers,
Nico


2011/8/16 Jake Wharton mailto:jakewhar...@gmail.com>>

You should also look at swappa.com  for
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Re: [android-developers] Re: Google Development phones

[Kristopher Micinski]

If you're looking for something really cheap(?), I believe sites such as
TigerDirect have them for as cheap as $99.  (I think I saw that ad earlier
this week?.)  Even though at this point they're quite old, they are pretty
useful once you load them with a cyanogenmod.  (up to 2.2,  I doubt 2.3 runs
on that.  But... ?)

Kris

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> Just to double check.. does swappa dispatch to UK or is US only?
>
> Cheers,
> Nico
>
>
> 2011/8/16 Jake Wharton 
>
>> You should also look at swappa.com for inexpensive, used phones. Any of
>> them should suffice for development.
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Re: [android-developers] Re: Google Development phones

[Nico Balestra]

Just to double check.. does swappa dispatch to UK or is US only?

Cheers,
Nico

2011/8/16 Jake Wharton 

> You should also look at swappa.com for inexpensive, used phones. Any of
> them should suffice for development.
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Re: [android-developers] Re: Google Development phones

[Mark Ayers]

I would get the one that will be up to date the fastest and the longest, ie
the Prime. If you need to test for slower devices, you can always
underclock, but you can't go the other way nearly as easily.
On Aug 16, 2011 12:10 AM, "Zsolt Vasvari"  wrote:
> I wouldn't get the "best" or "fastest" device as a development phone
> as 99% of your users won't have such a device and you may not get the
> true feel for the performance of your app.
>
> On Aug 16, 10:58 am, Mark Ayers  wrote:
>> Wait til September, then get either a Nexus Prime or a quad core tablet.
>> Those will be far better development devices than the Nexus S. If you
can't
>> wait till then, get an ASUS Transformer, as it will open up a whole bunch
>> more new APIs than the Nexus S will sooner, but it might take a touch
longer
>> to get an Ice Cream Sandwich update.
>> On Aug 15, 2011 7:28 PM, "kypriakos"  wrote:
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>>
>>
>>
>>
>> > Hi all,
>>
>> > one of the Android pages points to the Market for buying development
>> > phones
>> > (as long as I pay the $25 fee). Has anyone bought such phones from
>> > there?
>> > I have two HTC Dream G1 Dev phones (old - running 1.6 on them) and
>> > it would
>> > be good if I can find a couple of more of the same or (of course)
>> > newer models.
>>
>> > Thanks
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