[apple-crop] tree thefts
Via twitter and Christina Herrick at AFG (twitter handle = @HerrickAFG)- http://www.growingproduce.com/fruits/apples-pears/apple-growers-rocked-with-new-planting-thefts/ “Growers deal with all sorts of challenges throughout the growing season – but a few Ohio growers are facing a new challenge, one that was unexpected. A group of temporary laborers performing spring pruning at several Ohio orchards are believed to have stolen more than 200 newly-planted trees…" Used to be a stick or two, now it’s whole trees… If anyone is interested, EverCrisp(tm) does do twitter at @EverCrispApple - David Doud grower, Indiana - 2 good pollination days followed by 2.5 weeks of cold wet weather that continues - ___ apple-crop mailing list apple-crop@virtualorchard.net http://virtualorchard.net/mailman/listinfo/apple-crop
Re: [apple-crop] MAIA newsletter
Evan, we’ve had our doubters over the years and maybe some of them were “experts” (more than 50 miles from home?) - I do want the record to be clear that the professionals: other breeders, extension personal, university horticultural staff, and the like have to a person been helpful and encouraging - if they had their doubts they communicated them in a positive manner to help the process along - nanos gigantum humerus insidentes - we stand on the shoulders of giants - I hope you have great success with your EverCrisp planting David > On Dec 17, 2015, at 10:05 AM, Evan B. Milburn <ebmilb...@yahoo.com> wrote: > > I remember when you guys started the "experts" laughed and said it couldn't > be done. How wrong!! Our first thousand are going in 2016 after our few trees > in our test block told us to get on the ball! This apple can withstand the > Maryland heat and humidity certainly much better than HC. > > Looking for more, plus will test anything else being developed. Mo is right > on about the first newsletter. what a great job! > >Evan Milburn > wwwmilburnorchards.com > > > On Thursday, December 17, 2015 7:32 AM, maurice tougas > <appleman.maur...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > Fabulous inaugural issue David! I look forward to the opportunity to work > with you guys in the future. > > Mo Tougas > Tougas Family Farm,LLC > Northborough,MA 01532 > > On Wed, Dec 16, 2015 at 11:16 PM, David Doud <david_d...@me.com > <mailto:david_d...@me.com>> wrote: > An autumn 2015 edition of the Midwest Apple Improvement Association > newsletter has been published and is available online at > http://midwestapple.com/_PDF/_Newsletters/MAIA_Autumn2015Newsletter.pdf > <http://midwestapple.com/_PDF/_Newsletters/MAIA_Autumn2015Newsletter.pdf> > > 6000 consumer evaluations were carried out this past fall with standard > varieties and MAIA elite selections - direct marketers should find the report > interesting reading - > > David Doud - grower, IN > I cannot remember a year with warmer late fall/early winter weather > > ___ > apple-crop mailing list > apple-crop@virtualorchard.net <mailto:apple-crop@virtualorchard.net> > http://virtualorchard.net/mailman/listinfo/apple-crop > <http://virtualorchard.net/mailman/listinfo/apple-crop> > > > > > -- > Maurice Tougas > Tougas Family Farm > Northborough,MA 01532 > 508-450-0844 > > ___ > apple-crop mailing list > apple-crop@virtualorchard.net <mailto:apple-crop@virtualorchard.net> > http://virtualorchard.net/mailman/listinfo/apple-crop > <http://virtualorchard.net/mailman/listinfo/apple-crop> > > > ___ > apple-crop mailing list > apple-crop@virtualorchard.net > http://virtualorchard.net/mailman/listinfo/apple-crop ___ apple-crop mailing list apple-crop@virtualorchard.net http://virtualorchard.net/mailman/listinfo/apple-crop
[apple-crop] MAIA newsletter
An autumn 2015 edition of the Midwest Apple Improvement Association newsletter has been published and is available online at http://midwestapple.com/_PDF/_Newsletters/MAIA_Autumn2015Newsletter.pdf <http://midwestapple.com/_PDF/_Newsletters/MAIA_Autumn2015Newsletter.pdf> 6000 consumer evaluations were carried out this past fall with standard varieties and MAIA elite selections - direct marketers should find the report interesting reading - David Doud - grower, IN I cannot remember a year with warmer late fall/early winter weather ___ apple-crop mailing list apple-crop@virtualorchard.net http://virtualorchard.net/mailman/listinfo/apple-crop
[apple-crop] Red-fleshed apple promotion...
...in the Guardian - http://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2015/oct/04/gardens-truth-about-apples-james-wong#comments Published in the UK, a pretty fluffy piece, but makes negative health claims about common apples - do check out the comments which, by US standards, are generally thoughtful and one makes the point that the study's results don't support the writer's contention - others articulate common misconceptions we deal with regularly - David Doud - grower, Indiana real nice here as we head into the home stretch of harvest - ___ apple-crop mailing list apple-crop@virtualorchard.net http://virtualorchard.net/mailman/listinfo/apple-crop
[apple-crop] CA storage incident - UK
The manager of a fruit-packing operation has been found guilty of the manslaughter of two workers he asked to select apples from a low-oxygen storage unit without using breathing apparatus... http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2015/jun/19/manager-guilty-manslaughter-apple-storage David Doud - IN 9 of rain in the last 5 days - ___ apple-crop mailing list apple-crop@virtualorchard.net http://virtualorchard.net/mailman/listinfo/apple-crop
[apple-crop] MAIA newsletter
After a four year hiatus, the Midwest Apple Improvement Association has published a newsletter - electronic version is available here: http://midwestapple.com/_PDF/_Newsletters/2015newsletter.pdf Check out the colored box on page three and consider whether your operation/organization should be involved. Previous newsletters and other information is available here: http://midwestapple.com/index.php MAIA membership is open - If there are questions, I'd be happy to try to answer them. David Doud grower - IN ___ apple-crop mailing list apple-crop@virtualorchard.net http://virtualorchard.net/mailman/listinfo/apple-crop
Re: [apple-crop] NPR 'The Miracle Apple'
Here's Richard Lehnert's 2012 Good Fruit Grower article on the story of Honeycrisp - http://www.goodfruit.com/last-bite-the-honeycrisp-explosion/ A different perspective, but not inconsistent with the NPR story as far as I can tell - All hail the unknown tomcat parent of Honeycrisp... D On May 30, 2015, at 7:50 AM, Jon Clements wrote: How does it differ Bill? I thought the Planet Money report was well done. Jon On Thu, May 28, 2015 at 6:10 PM, Fleming, William w...@montana.edu wrote: Not quite the same story that Goodfruit Grower told a few months ago. Bill Fleming Montana State University Western Ag Research Center 580 Quast Lane Corvallis, MT 59828 406-961-3025 Cell- 406-529-2409 -Original Message- From: apple-crop-boun...@virtualorchard.net [mailto:apple-crop-boun...@virtualorchard.net] On Behalf Of David Doud Sent: Thursday, May 28, 2015 10:04 AM To: Apple-Crop Subject: [apple-crop] NPR 'The Miracle Apple' On 'Planet Money' today - Jacob Goldstein and Dan Charles spend 15 minutes on the state of the apple industry and the Honeycrisp story - listen here: http://www.npr.org/sections/money/2015/05/27/410085320/episode-627-the-miracle-apple David Doud grower - Indiana this crop looks really nice right now - ___ apple-crop mailing list apple-crop@virtualorchard.net http://virtualorchard.net/mailman/listinfo/apple-crop ___ apple-crop mailing list apple-crop@virtualorchard.net http://virtualorchard.net/mailman/listinfo/apple-crop -- Jon Clements aka 'Mr Honeycrisp' UMass Cold Spring Orchard 393 Sabin St. Belchertown, MA 01007 413-478-7219 umassfruit.com ___ apple-crop mailing list apple-crop@virtualorchard.net http://virtualorchard.net/mailman/listinfo/apple-crop ___ apple-crop mailing list apple-crop@virtualorchard.net http://virtualorchard.net/mailman/listinfo/apple-crop
Re: [apple-crop] crop prospects
Take heart, Art - snowball bloom thin more easily due to natural competition between blooms - Golden Delicious is a problem as are varieties like Earligold and Liberty and to a lesser extent Gala and some of the oddballs - We had a snowball bloom and 80* temperatures during bloom (our full bloom was about 10-12 days ago) - our native pollinators are back to about 40% after their collapse of 2012, but are recovering - the best beekeeper in Indiana has two apiaries within 1/2 mile of me so honeybee activity was good along with daily quality working weather - Right in the middle, pretty much 'full bloom day', we had a wet night, wet all day, and another wet night with temps in the 60's and 70's - huge scab and fireblight period - still a little early to see any breakdown of control measures, I've got my fingers crossed - immediate post bloom was warm with rapid development/sizing of fruitlets and then it turned less pleasant with high winds and and the last three days have been highs in the 50's and 60's - I placed the pump and set up the irrigation in the strawberries yesterday just in case it would get frosty, but we had high overcast roll in yesterday evening and thus no long cold wet night was necessary - temperatures are suppose to rise now and I'm contemplating whether today (mid 60's) or tomorrow (80*) is the main day for thinning sprays - there's 30% chances of storms predicted for friday night/saturday morning - this morning I need to get the alternator back on the sprayer... anyway - the 'well behaved' annual cropping varieties have/are shedding the huge bloom and I am going to aggressively attack the biennial bearers and I am going to try to defruit half the trees of some of the problem varieties - I'd rather have short crops every year rather than boom and bust production - I wish you luck, would appreciate reciprocation - David On May 12, 2015, at 12:41 PM, Arthur Kelly wrote: I don't know about the rest of you but if we get any kind of pollination weather the crop will be very heavy and difficult to thin. The potential bloom at this point is scary. We are at pink except for cracking some king flowers on Zestar, Paulared, Gingergold etc. -- Art Kelly Kelly Orchards Acton, ME ___ apple-crop mailing list apple-crop@virtualorchard.net http://virtualorchard.net/mailman/listinfo/apple-crop ___ apple-crop mailing list apple-crop@virtualorchard.net http://virtualorchard.net/mailman/listinfo/apple-crop
[apple-crop] non-GMO non-browning apples
If anyone has a need for an apple that doesn't brown, I'd be happy to send a stick or three of 'Sweet Emma', a chance seedling from grandfathers farm - white flesh that doesn't ever even hint of turning brown even while it dries to a crisp - a little flattened, red, 2.75, ripe early Oct, mild sweet crisp like a RD would dream of being - vigorous tree, early blooming, very scab susceptible, doesn't fill bins like Melrose or Mutsu, loses quality in six weeks (would probably respond well to 'Smart-Fresh') - I sell quite a few between Oct 5 and Thanksgiving - No charge - no obligation - David Doud ___ apple-crop mailing list apple-crop@virtualorchard.net http://virtualorchard.net/mailman/listinfo/apple-crop
[apple-crop] arctic apples
Well, I have been to two social events since the GMO 'Arctic apples' have been in the news - and that is what people want to talk to me about - and pretty much only that... How are you all handling this? My personal opinions aside, I don't want to 'carry water' for these guys - they aren't going to let me grow them even if I wanted to and I don't feel inclined to spend my time and credibility providing them cover and fighting their marketing struggle for them - This is going to be a frequently reoccurring issue this season - I've got an event to go to this afternoon and I am dreading this aspect of it - David Doud grower, IN below 0*F, way behind on pruning ___ apple-crop mailing list apple-crop@virtualorchard.net http://virtualorchard.net/mailman/listinfo/apple-crop
Re: [apple-crop] arctic apples
We have returned from attendance at our event and mercifully Arctic apples did not come up - likely because of the stimulating program that was enjoyed by a room full of scientists - David R., you state and ask I certainly would NOT attempt to relay the concepts in my last post to the average consumer while attempting to sell them apples. What would be the point?.. - I see the point being respect for my customers - they have concerns and they are insulted and discouraged by paternalistic attitudes of those who would talk down to them - they have questions and I am (for better or worse) the expert because I grow apples and stand on the opposite side of the table from them every week (everyday, actually) - I am willing to do my best to explain the methods I use and measures I take to get my apples on that table - it gets complicated and takes lots of time, but I'll keep after it as long as there is communication and understanding - I don't want to, and am trying to plan how I will not, spend my time answering questions about Arctic apples - the people that stand to profit need to deal with this - the conundrum is doing this without adding to irrational anti-science sentiment and without disrespecting my customers. David Doud On Feb 26, 2015, at 6:50 PM, David A. Rosenberger wrote: I can appreciate your frustration, David, and your “easy answer” gave me a good chuckle. I certainly would NOT attempt to relay the concepts in my last post to the average consumer while attempting to sell them apples. What would be the point? Most consumers arrive with very pre-concieved ideas about GMOs and I don’t think that the point of sale is the best time to attempt re-education (if that is even remotely possible). I suspect that the best approach is to be non-commital, and perhaps to note that none of the apples currently available for sale are GMOs. When non-ag folks ask me about GMOs, I usually tell them that, as with any technology, GMOs bring exciting new possibilities but also pose dangers that need to be carefully regulated. I am not particularly excited about the advantages of Arctic Apples, although it will be interesting to see if they eventually play a role in expanding the shelf life of sliced apples. On the other hand, if I encountered a loud-mouthed GMO-phobe preaching the evils of GMOs at a party, I probably would point out to them that their opinions may be forcing less fortunate folks around the world into difficult subsistence life styles that could be, at least to some extent, remedied via GMO technology. Since any discussion of GMOs can generate heated arguments, it may be best if none of you ever invite me to your parties! On Feb 26, 2015, at 11:42 AM, David Doud david_d...@me.com wrote: Well argued David - now will you attend my markets with me and repeat that to every third customer? If I spend my time making these points will Arctic apples reimburse me? Will Arctic apples let me grow their material in return for 'carrying their water'? This dialog is being forced on me, the front line representative - I resent it - I particularly resent being expected to defend it on the basis of cosmetic issues that were/are addressable by conventional breeding - You know what the short easy answer is for me and people in my position? My opinion is GMO apples will give you cancer and cause your kids to be autistic. Here - let's have a taste of what I am offering, no GMO herethat bag is $7, thanks very much - It's tempting - D On Feb 26, 2015, at 11:07 AM, David A. Rosenberger wrote: Thank you, Kevin, for your comments on how GMOs are needed in many countries to ensure a reliable food supply. At our national plant pathology meetings last summer, we heard a keynote speaker, a female scientist from South Africa, address that same issue. In fact, she pointed out that glyphosate-resistant crops provided female emancipation on many small farms because it was the women who were expected to provide the family food supply from small gardens, and before glyphosate resistant crops became available they had to spend incredible amounts of time hand-hoeing crops in the heat of summer. She also mentioned how incorporating disease resistance into cassava via genetic modification could drastically improve food stability. After listening to her impassioned presentation, I pretty much decided that the anti-GMO folks in Europe and North America are really just neocolonialists and male chauvinists who lack compassion for the less fortunate members of the human race. Genetically modified foods, at least GMOs that do not include DNA from other organisms, will eventually be broadly accepted because they offer so many advantages over conventional breeding. Those who are totally opposed to GMOs are, in my opinion, very similar to those who were convinced that motorized vehicles
Re: [apple-crop] German cultivars?
thanks Robert - I'll contact you next week after your event is over - David On Jan 28, 2015, at 10:39 PM, Rob Crassweller wrote: David, I have an extensive collection of them. I am at Mid Atlantic Fruit Vegetable conference and do not have access to my laptop list. I also have some of the CATS trees and the Golden Sunshine series from Czech Republic Rob Sent from my iPad On Jan 28, 2015, at 5:31 PM, David Doud david_d...@me.com wrote: We're looking for the apple cultivars 'Realka', 'Regia', 'Reka', 'Releta', and 'Remura' - all bred at Dresden-Pillnitz Germany - I'm uncertain whether they exist in the US, but thought this would be the group to ask - I don't see them listed at Geneva - read about them (and others) here: http://www.inhort.pl/files/journal_pdf/journal_2004spec2/full2004-3Aspec.pdf if you're interested - Thanks - David Doud grower - IN ___ apple-crop mailing list apple-crop@virtualorchard.net http://virtualorchard.net/mailman/listinfo/apple-crop ___ apple-crop mailing list apple-crop@virtualorchard.net http://virtualorchard.net/mailman/listinfo/apple-crop ___ apple-crop mailing list apple-crop@virtualorchard.net http://virtualorchard.net/mailman/listinfo/apple-crop
Re: [apple-crop] How to excise malus seeds
I was out working and had a thought - find a junior or senior high school girl with good eyesight and fingernails and pay her to follow your successful regime - I applaud your dedication, that's a lot of work - D On Jan 5, 2015, at 11:27 AM, lee elliott wrote: Anyone know an easy way to excise malus seeds, in my efforts to breed next generations of my Honey Crisp crosses I always have about half of my collected seeds are excised (split) and embryo are easy to remove. (germination rate of embryos removed from seed coat are much higher, close to 90% while unexcised seeds is about 15%) The best way so far is to soak the seed(after statification) and drag the seed gently accross a piece of sandpaper, rubbing the side of the seed where the hilum is located, then prying it apart with fingernails. this a very slow tedious procedure and may even contaminate the embryo. With hundreds of seed to excise and poor eyesight this is a most daunting task. I have googled this but nothing comes up, any ideas? Lee Elliott, Cider Hill Nursery, Winchester, Illinois ___ apple-crop mailing list apple-crop@virtualorchard.net http://virtualorchard.net/mailman/listinfo/apple-crop ___ apple-crop mailing list apple-crop@virtualorchard.net http://virtualorchard.net/mailman/listinfo/apple-crop
Re: [apple-crop] 'Real' Apple Store
Well, I guess it could apply to either - 'actual value' is a rather nebulous qualifier, open to debate and like so many things, it all depends on your point of view - or maybe 'let them eat their phone' D On Nov 20, 2014, at 9:26 AM, Jon Clements wrote: Dave, regarding your last comment, were you referring to Apple Computer products or Honeycrisp apples??? :-) On Thu, Nov 20, 2014 at 9:11 AM, David Doud david_d...@me.com wrote: A delightful short article and a half-dozen pictures from London - ...London's Borough Market, one of the oldest markets in the U.K., is marking its 1,000th anniversary this year. (Yes, it's been around for a millennium.) As part of the celebrations, it treated shoppers to a delightful concept—creating a Real Apple Store for the weekend that was a clever copy of Apple's iconic retail establishments. Actual apples were displayed on lucite pedestals just like an iPhone or iPad would be, but instead of technical specs, the signs showed each apple's unique flavor notes and history. Take a look below at some more photos of this great little shop. It remains unclear whether the apples themselves were marked up to 500 percent of their actual value http://www.adweek.com/adfreak/apple-store-london-looks-just-regular-apple-store-except-it-sells-real-apples-161468 David Doud IN ___ apple-crop mailing list apple-crop@virtualorchard.net http://virtualorchard.net/mailman/listinfo/apple-crop -- Jon Clements aka 'Mr Honeycrisp' UMass Cold Spring Orchard 393 Sabin St. Belchertown, MA 01007 413-478-7219 umassfruit.com ___ apple-crop mailing list apple-crop@virtualorchard.net http://virtualorchard.net/mailman/listinfo/apple-crop ___ apple-crop mailing list apple-crop@virtualorchard.net http://virtualorchard.net/mailman/listinfo/apple-crop
Re: [apple-crop] Thank you Mister Liberty!
I heard at market today that Liberty was Patrick Henry's favorite apple and that his remarks at the second Virginia Convention are widely misunderstood - D On Oct 5, 2014, at 5:12 PM, Jon Clements wrote: Couldn't agree with you more Claude, that's why they call me 'Mr Liberty!' http://www.virtualorchard.net/mrliberty/default.html I will say, however, I have fruited 'Modi' for the first time this year. It is a Liberty X Gala cross from Italy, and clubbed over there, where it is being touted as Eco-Friendly and having a low-carbon footprint compared to other apple varieties. Interesting: http://www.modiapple.com/en-UK/. In North America, International New Varieties Network/CO Nursery has the production and marketing rights to Modi. It is a quite good apple based on my limited experience... Jon Jon On Sun, Oct 5, 2014 at 12:12 PM, Claude Jolicoeur cjolip...@gmail.com wrote: Yesterday, I was picking my Liberty apples and had a good thought for Jon Clements, as I really think this is a great apple! This year is a light crop year for almost all my varieties, some setting nothing and others at 10 to 25% of a normal crop. Nevertheless, my Liberties managed to yield an almost normal crop. Great job. It is also a very easy tree to train and grow, easily manageable, that yields a high percentage of first grade apples even when in a no-spray orchard or yard. As of apple quality, when grown here in Quebec, it might not be the best, but I find it better than many others and certainly is among the 10 best that grow here in zone 4. It is also very good for cider making - again maybe not the best, and it needs to be blended to balance its acidity, but better than many others. And additionally, it makes very good ice cider! Some people say it produces too many small apples - true. You just have to make cider with them. Plus, small apples have more flavor. All in all, one of the greatest apples to grow here, either for a backyard owner, a small hobby orchardist, a cider maker, or someone who doesn't like or want to spray. So, again, thank you Mister Liberty for making this apple available to us! Claude Jolicoeur Author, The New Cider Maker's Handbook http://www.cjoliprsf.ca/ http://www.chelseagreen.com/bookstore/item/the_new_cider_makers_handbook/ ___ apple-crop mailing list apple-crop@virtualorchard.net http://virtualorchard.net/mailman/listinfo/apple-crop -- Jon Clements aka 'Mr Honeycrisp' UMass Cold Spring Orchard 393 Sabin St. Belchertown, MA 01007 413-478-7219 umassfruit.com ___ apple-crop mailing list apple-crop@virtualorchard.net http://virtualorchard.net/mailman/listinfo/apple-crop ___ apple-crop mailing list apple-crop@virtualorchard.net http://virtualorchard.net/mailman/listinfo/apple-crop
Re: [apple-crop] Planting density for Asian pears
I sent this reply yesterday with a couple of pictures attached but it has not appeared yet, maybe Jon could check the apple-crop 'junk' folder? - here is the text without the pictures - I've been growing asian pears for 20+ years now, but not in a high density situation - my planting is about 12' X 16' with open center trees - it has worked very well actually, the trees are readily maintained so that 95% of the fruit is accessed from the ground - I find the main difficulty in growing asian pears is thinning - it's all hand work so it's important to make it as easy as possible - 12' tall trees make it difficult - In the situation you describe I'd be considering removing every other tree, or maybe 2 out of 3 trees, so to be able to shorten and broaden the fruiting volume - Another consideration is variety selection - I had a row of Shinko and took them out - the flavor/sugar of that variety was markedly inferior to others of that season (Korean Giant/Olympic) at my location - Talking to my asian customers, these pears are used more for cooking than for fresh eating in pacific cultures - The best resource I have for asian pears is 'Guide Book of Nashi Production in Japan' by Kanichi Yaneyama/translated by Shinji Kawai and published by the Oregon Asian Pear Council in 1989 - I don't know about current availability - 75 pages with detailed discussion of pruning/thinning/management by variety with diagrams and pictures - David Doud grower, Indiana On Aug 1, 2014, at 10:12 AM, Weinzierl, Richard A wrote: A new grower bought an Asian pear orchard that was planted a few years ago north of Peoria, IL. Except for pollenizers, it’s all ‘Shinko’, and apparently its resistance to fireblight is very good – I saw only one or two infections in hundreds of trees. They have planted trees at very high density (4 feet in-row by 12 feet between rows); the trees are at least 12 feet tall. Is anyone familiar high-density production of Asian pears? And if so, do you have any pruning recommendations? It’s obvious the density and prior pruning practices will not work together. The fact sheets and similar references that I’ve seen suggest much lower tree densities (218 to 242 trees per acre). Any general thoughts on managing the trees at high density … and what spacing would you recommend for the additional plantings they intend to make? Rick Weinzierl Professor and Extension Entomologist IL SARE PDP Coordinator Department of Crop Sciences, University of Illinois S-334 Turner Hall, 1102 S. Goodwin Avenue Urbana, IL 61801 217-244-2126 ___ apple-crop mailing list apple-crop@virtualorchard.net http://virtualorchard.net/mailman/listinfo/apple-crop ___ apple-crop mailing list apple-crop@virtualorchard.net http://virtualorchard.net/mailman/listinfo/apple-crop
[apple-crop] Inglorious fruits and vegetables
This link is to a 2.5 minute video from France (mostly in English) about a campaign to sell less than perfect fruit and vegetables - the EU has made 2014 the 'European year against food waste' - interesting marketing - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p2nSECWq_PEfeature=youtu.be David Doud grower, Indiana ___ apple-crop mailing list apple-crop@virtualorchard.net http://virtualorchard.net/mailman/listinfo/apple-crop
[apple-crop] 21st century apple peeling
follow this link to a .gif file - where I found it, it was considered cute, but I can see some real application for small time processors - http://i.imgur.com/r0hbM9I.gif David Doud Indiana 3/31/12 = full bloom 3/31/14 = not to silver tip yet ___ apple-crop mailing list apple-crop@virtualorchard.net http://virtualorchard.net/mailman/listinfo/apple-crop
Re: [apple-crop] Frost protection via overhead sprinklers made mattersworse?
slice some incipient fruit thru the equator with your thumbnail or a knife - healthy fruit will have pearlescent ovules - damage will show up as brown tissue - David Doud voice of experience On Feb 2, 2014, at 4:12 PM, Rye Hefley wrote: Thanks Con, The spacing is one 360 degee nozzlee between each tree so each tree is hit from both sides. The ice is gone now and the flowers are still fragrant. The petals are a bit translucent. Stems are still green but may be too early to tell anything. Yeah I worry about the off hour. I guess wait and see. Again thanks. Rye -- On Sun, Feb 2, 2014 10:11 AM PST Con.Traas wrote: Hello Rye, I am not very expert in this, as I don't use the system, so hopefully somebody else can add more. Regarding the ice and icicles, these would not necessarily mean you had a problem, as long as there was a coating of unfrozen water on them at all times. This would prevent the ice from dropping below freezing point. The fact that the water turned off could be a problem though, as then there would have been no more unfrozen water, and the ice (and buds encased therein) would drop to the ambient temperature. 4gph sprinklers might not be adequate I suspect, or would not protect against a more severe frost (it depends too on how close they are spaced). When I looked into getting frost-protection irrigation for my orchards, the water use would have been many times (perhaps 6 or 8 times from memory) what I would have needed for soil mositure deficit irrigation only. I am afriad that I can't shed light on what a good rate would be, but I bet someone else here can. The good news is I would be very surprised if your trees were damaged by the ice. Con Traas Ireland From: apple-crop-boun...@virtualorchard.net on behalf of Rye Hefley Sent: Sun 02/02/2014 17:01 To: apple-crop@virtualorchard.net Subject: [apple-crop] Frost protection via overhead sprinklers made mattersworse? Hello, So last night there was a forecast for 29° for early this morning. Frost NOT in the forecast. So I decided the forecast could change to frost while I was sleeping or the forecasters could miss it so I scheduled the sprinklers. This was my first attempt at frost protection as this is the first producing year for the orchard. First concern: I set the time too short and the sprinklers turned off at 6:30 (worst possible time). Don't ask me what I was thinking when came up with the duration, though I have degree in math, I don't have one in arithmetic. So it was off for an hour before I discovered it and turned it back on. Second concern: using 4 gallon/hour micro sprinklers that produce a thick mist, when I went out there at 7:30 the trees (flowers, leaves, wood, set fruit) were encased in 1/4 ice and icicles. So I think maybe the 4GPH nozzles deliver too little water for frost protection and just made it worse. Also being off for the worse possible hour made it worser still. What would be your assessment on the damage I did this year? (Fortunately only one variety that I care much about. The others haven't bloomed yet so no water on those.) Will the trees survive the ice? Will the fruit that already set be OK? Kiss the flowers goodbye? Will the new buds make it? If 4GPH is not sufficient, in the future what would be a better delivery rate. (Assuming I could avoid the arithmetic error from now on.) Thanks for your insights. Rye Hefley So Cal ___ apple-crop mailing list apple-crop@virtualorchard.net http://virtualorchard.net/mailman/listinfo/apple-crop ___ apple-crop mailing list apple-crop@virtualorchard.net http://virtualorchard.net/mailman/listinfo/apple-crop ___ apple-crop mailing list apple-crop@virtualorchard.net http://virtualorchard.net/mailman/listinfo/apple-crop
Re: [apple-crop] Paraquat
I have used it for that purpose - generally works acceptably well, repeated application keeps the suckers burned down and devigorated, but I have noticed increased phytophthora incidence that I attribute to the practice - David Doud grower - Indiana On Oct 8, 2013, at 12:52 PM, Hugh Thomas wrote: Anyone have any experience using paraquat for sucker control? ___ apple-crop mailing list apple-crop@virtualorchard.net http://virtualorchard.net/mailman/listinfo/apple-crop ___ apple-crop mailing list apple-crop@virtualorchard.net http://virtualorchard.net/mailman/listinfo/apple-crop
Re: [apple-crop] Batlow Cider Apple Harvest
You can taste the bass!! D On Sep 17, 2013, at 10:59 AM, Kevin Hauser wrote: Aussies setting the standard for cider apple harvesting. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BYdA-7MmqyI Kevin Hauser Kuffel Creek Apple Nursery Riverside, CA Kampala, Uganda ___ apple-crop mailing list apple-crop@virtualorchard.net http://virtualorchard.net/mailman/listinfo/apple-crop ___ apple-crop mailing list apple-crop@virtualorchard.net http://virtualorchard.net/mailman/listinfo/apple-crop
[apple-crop] NYT story on GMO oranges
Arctic Apples are discussed, and Herb Aldwinckle rates a paragraph - a well written piece, worth the read - http://www.nytimes.com/2013/07/28/science/a-race-to-save-the-orange-by-altering-its-dna.html?_r=0 David Doud grower, IN Redhaven peaches this week - Pristine, Williams Pride and Earligold apples - the sales season begins - (the peaches are a lot easier sell than the apples...) ___ apple-crop mailing list apple-crop@virtualorchard.net http://virtualorchard.net/mailman/listinfo/apple-crop
Re: [apple-crop] native pollinators
indeed - the dandelions are empty - few bumblebees - I have a half dozen hives of honeybees on the property, managed by mediocre bee keeper, but they are flying - I have about 20 acres of tree fruit and have always considered the native pollinators to be adequate to the job, this year may be different - on the other hand, I don't know that I want a complete pollination job this year - I have been vacillating for the last 36 hours whether to call in some more honeybees - my current thinking is that I'll just ride what I have and count on it being enough - I'm in north central Indiana - D On May 2, 2013, at 1:06 PM, Frank Carlson wrote: David: I forgot where you are located. Here in Harvard, MA, we have just been commenting on the lack of wild bees as we are about to open on McIntosh. There also are less bumble bees visible . Frank Carlson Franklyn W. Carlson, Pres. Carlson Orchards, Inc. 115 Oak Hill Road P.O.Box 359 Harvard, MA. 01451 617-968-4180 cell 978-456-3916 office -Original Message- From: apple-crop-boun...@virtualorchard.net [mailto:apple-crop-boun...@virtualorchard.net] On Behalf Of David Doud Sent: Thursday, May 02, 2013 11:02 AM To: Apple-Crop Subject: [apple-crop] native pollinators Another casualty of last year's freak weather is the population of native pollinators - my asian pears entered full bloom over the last 48 hours - other years they are surrounded by a cloud of several species of solitary pollinators, this year that activity is roughly 10% of what I am accustomed to observing - The first apple bloom opened yesterday - 72 hours ago at tight cluster I considered the amount of bloom as 'full' but not particularly remarkable, now bloom has seemingly spontaneously generated to an amount that I cannot remember observing in the past - it's going to be spectacular, but has upped my anxiety about the potential 'big crop of little green apples' - hope thinners are effective ___ apple-crop mailing list apple-crop@virtualorchard.net http://virtualorchard.net/mailman/listinfo/apple-crop ___ apple-crop mailing list apple-crop@virtualorchard.net http://virtualorchard.net/mailman/listinfo/apple-crop
Re: [apple-crop] apple anti-cancer research
Phil: Your daughter might be interested how this originated - on a forum, a friend, who buys into a lot of sketchy material, posted this link to a 'popular' website http://naturalsociety.com/apple-extract-kills-cancer-cells-outperforms-chemo-drugs/ - so - I'm guessing many more people will see the claim Study: Apple Extract Kills Cancer Cells, Outperforms Common Chemo Drugs than will be exposed to any critique such as Robert Walter posted for us - bogus is bogus, and altho this would, on the surface, seem to be positive for apples, it's cheating and not a prosperous way to promote ourselves David Doud grower IN thunderstorms, rain and floods, tornado watch, gonna be a while before I get anything else planted - and wondering how effective that COCS applied last sunday at 1/4 green is today... On Apr 18, 2013, at 9:46 AM, Phil Glaize wrote: David and Robert, Your discussion has been interesting. I am forwarding your information to my daughter who is a student at Oregon Health and Science University. She is getting her degree in Dietetics and Nutrition and is insatiable when it comes to learning. Thanks for posting on apple-crop. Phil Glaize Virginia grower…. heading into bloom From: apple-crop-boun...@virtualorchard.net [mailto:apple-crop-boun...@virtualorchard.net] On Behalf Of David Doud Sent: Wednesday, April 17, 2013 9:07 PM To: Apple-crop discussion list Subject: Re: [apple-crop] apple anti-cancer research On Apr 17, 2013, at 2:04 PM, robjwal...@gmail.com wrote: David: Thanks for the PDF. As I had thought, the only cell type studied was HT29, a human colon cancer cell line. No other tumor cell types or, more importantly, normal cell types were studied here. Proper experimental controls were not done, so the results cannot be generalized beyond the obvious findings...the apple extract used can kill one type of tumor cell in tissue culture, but so can a thousand other things. Also, there did not appear to be any vehicle controls used. The preparation of the apple extract is given in great detail, but the final product is dried powder. This powder had to be dissolved and sterilized before adding it to cultured cells, but the solvent used as the vehicle for this is not stated as far as I can tell, and it is never tested by itself to see if the vehicle alone has any toxic effects on the cells. Often DMSO is used as a vehicle for difficult to solubilize compounds and even diluted DMSO can injure or kill cells depending on the dose and time of exposure. There are 'control' groups mentioned here and there in the paper, but a control group of cells that simply has nothing added to it (no apple extract, no FU, no vehicle) is not the same as a vehicle control. Because the study was performed in considerable detail, one would hope that vehicle controls were performed, but this must be stated explicitly in the paper or else it cannot be assumed. Interestingly, the authors cite another paper (reference 11) where they showed that oral administration of LMWAP effectively protected ICR mice against CRC (LMWAP is a mixture of polysaccharides isolated from apples; CRC is colorectal carcinoma). http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22429028 Again, this paper is not in my library's PDF collection, but if they are referring to the ICR mice that I am familiar with (http://www.taconic.com/wmspage.cfm?parm1=758), it is impossible to demonstrate this effect in that mouse. The ICR mouse is just a regular white mouse with an intact immune system. This experiment cannot be done in such a mouse because it requires a mouse with a defective immune system that will permit human colon carcinoma cells to grow unimpeded. And so it goes... Robert Walter On Apr 16, 2013, at 11:32 PM, robjwal...@gmail.com wrote: This journal is kind of obscure and I can't get this article from my university library, but would be interested in seeing it in its entirety. If someone could get it to me as a PDF, I'd appreciate it. Cancer chemopreventatives, carcinogenesis, and cell culture happen to be among my specialties. Based on the abstract, I'll make a few comments. Of late, the Chinese have made a great effort in the area of chemopreventatives probably due to their long cutural history of traditional or herbal medicine. Many studies like the one in question have been published over the past 10-15 years using cultured human tumor cells treated with this or that naturally occurring agent including curcumin, resveratrol, silibinin, bitter melon extract, etc. Many of them show cytotoxic effects on tumor cells similar to those seen in the apple study. So, right away, we must ask, why haven't we stopped cancer using these agents? Unfortunately, most of these studies suffer from the same failing. The apple study showed a dose-dependent killing of cultured human
[apple-crop] apple anti-cancer research
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/23511050 Chinese study - Oligosaccharide from apple induces apoptosis and cell cycle arrest in HT29 human colon cancer cells. If I read the abstract correctly, this was published last month - Dunno - it would be nice if someone knowledgable could review this - If it were the opposite association, I bet there would be banner headlines... David Doud Grower, Indiana 1/4 green, wet - nice to have a real spring this year - ___ apple-crop mailing list apple-crop@virtualorchard.net http://virtualorchard.net/mailman/listinfo/apple-crop
[apple-crop] Thiram WP or WDG
Thiram is listed in the spray schedule, but I have been unable to find anyone that supplies the WP or WDG (Granuflo) formulation - does anyone know a supplier that has it? thanks - David Doud grower, IN ___ apple-crop mailing list apple-crop@virtualorchard.net http://virtualorchard.net/mailman/listinfo/apple-crop
[apple-crop] Thiram WP or WDG
Thiram is listed in the spray schedule, but I have been unable to find anyone that supplies the WP or WDG (Granuflo) formulation - does anyone know a supplier that has it? thanks - David Doud grower, IN ___ apple-crop mailing list apple-crop@virtualorchard.net http://virtualorchard.net/mailman/listinfo/apple-crop
[apple-crop] apples on prairie home companion
apples were a major subject in the 'news from lake wobegon' segment - makes me wonder if Garrison Keillor has visited Doug Shefelbine - you can access audio here - http://prairiehome.publicradio.org/programs/2012/09/15/ nice to have something positive to report - David Doud grower (frozen out this year) Indiana ___ apple-crop mailing list apple-crop@virtualorchard.net http://virtualorchard.net/mailman/listinfo/apple-crop
[apple-crop] a bit of positive press
from Yahoo - http://shine.yahoo.com/channel/health/5-foods-that-keep-you-thin-2507875/ apples at the top of the list - D ___ apple-crop mailing list apple-crop@virtualorchard.net http://virtualorchard.net/mailman/listinfo/apple-crop
Re: [apple-crop] spectrum instruments
to accumulate an economically significant dose of ascospore as compared to conidia. (Some of my plant pathology colleagues my wish to quibble with these broad generalizations because I've skipped a lot of details and also done some reading between the lines. Nevertheless, I think my general conclusions in comparing the two models are valid.) The Cornell model also provides only a yes/no response to infection, whereas the original Mills table and the Jones version of the Mills table still provides gradations of light, moderate, or heavy infection based on duration of the wetting periods at various temperatures. Again, because ascospores are relatively limited in number in most orchards, it makes sense to parse out the severity of infection for ascospores whereas just the minimal wetting/temperature requirements are enough to trigger conidial infections if conidia are present because conidia are either present in large numbers or not at all. By having information on light-moderate-heavy infection, one can adjust one's on-site risk factors based on other details of the specific orchard situation. For example, in a clean orchard with trees just at green tip, I would ignore the light Mills period and begin to worry only after triggering at least a moderate Mill's period because there are so few spores at green tip that the marginal conditions for a light infection period will be unlikely to result in noticeable scab. However, even in a clean orchard, I would NOT ignore a light Mills period when trees are at tight cluster or pink. I hope others will chime in on what differences may be incorporated into the Washington model. Is anyone else on this list using Spectrum instruments to monitor weather and model disease? - I've had a 'Watchdog' for several years now, and yesterday had an anomaly, with complete disagreement and inconsistencies between the three scab models - The software uses models from Cornell, Washington State, and Mills (MI) - I'm used to Cornell being very conservative and WA being the opposite - this event, Cornell indicated 'infected', WA 'none', and Mills 'heavy' - I've never modeled an event with Mills being 'heavy' and WA 'none' - circumstances were such that we were cruising along in the lower 40'sF monday and then an overnight rain till 7AM tues morning - a two hour dry period, followed by a rain, followed by the violent front (no damage here, but tremendous light show) - while that front was moving thru, temperatures rose above 50*F for about 6 hours, peaking at 56*, before declining back to the lower 40's again - to add to the mystery, if I model tuesday, from the two hour dry thru the end of the event, I get the 'infected', 'none', 'heavy' analysis from the program - if I run the model from the start of the rainy event monday so to include the rainy monday night/early tues thru the end of the event wednesday morning, the Mills model indicates 'light' infection (Cornell indicates 'infected', WA 'none) - as a practical matter, at our stage of development, these temperatures, and specific schedule of the wet periods, I normally wouldn't worry much about scab infection - but seeing that 'heavy' infection indicated from the Mills model is disconcerting - dunno - any thoughts? thanks, David Doud grower, IN ___ apple-crop mailing list apple-crop@virtualorchard.net http://virtualorchard.net/mailman/listinfo/apple-crop -- ** Dave Rosenberger Professor of Plant Pathology Office: 845-691-7231 Cornell University's Hudson Valley LabFax:845-691-2719 P.O. Box 727, Highland, NY 12528 Cell: 845-594-3060 http://www.nysaes.cornell.edu/pp/faculty/rosenberger/ ___ apple-crop mailing list apple-crop@virtualorchard.net http://virtualorchard.net/mailman/listinfo/apple-crop ___ apple-crop mailing list apple-crop@virtualorchard.net http://virtualorchard.net/mailman/listinfo/apple-crop
Re: [apple-crop] spectrum instruments and infection models in general
and the modified Mill's table from Al Jones actually represent an integration of minimum infection conditions AND spore numbers. Conidia are always produced in much greater quantities than ascospores under conditions in commercial orchards. Thus, with conidia, large quantities arrive and infect leaves within 6 hr at optimum temperatures. If you artificially put large quantities of ascospores on leaves, you also get infections within 6 hr at optimum temperatures. In reality, however, it takes some time for an economically significant dose of ascospores to arrive on leaves in a commercial orchard because there are relatively few of them. Mills and Al Jones therefore used 9 hr as the minimal wetting period at optimum temperatures to account for the fact that their data suggested it would require an extra three hours to accumulate an economically significant dose of ascospore as compared to conidia. (Some of my plant pathology colleagues my wish to quibble with these broad generalizations because I've skipped a lot of details and also done some reading between the lines. Nevertheless, I think my general conclusions in comparing the two models are valid.) The Cornell model also provides only a yes/no response to infection, whereas the original Mills table and the Jones version of the Mills table still provides gradations of light, moderate, or heavy infection based on duration of the wetting periods at various temperatures. Again, because ascospores are relatively limited in number in most orchards, it makes sense to parse out the severity of infection for ascospores whereas just the minimal wetting/temperature requirements are enough to trigger conidial infections if conidia are present because conidia are either present in large numbers or not at all. By having information on light-moderate-heavy infection, one can adjust one's on-site risk factors based on other details of the specific orchard situation. For example, in a clean orchard with trees just at green tip, I would ignore the light Mills period and begin to worry only after triggering at least a moderate Mill's period because there are so few spores at green tip that the marginal conditions for a light infection period will be unlikely to result in noticeable scab. However, even in a clean orchard, I would NOT ignore a light Mills period when trees are at tight cluster or pink. I hope others will chime in on what differences may be incorporated into the Washington model. Is anyone else on this list using Spectrum instruments to monitor weather and model disease? - I've had a 'Watchdog' for several years now, and yesterday had an anomaly, with complete disagreement and inconsistencies between the three scab models - The software uses models from Cornell, Washington State, and Mills (MI) - I'm used to Cornell being very conservative and WA being the opposite - this event, Cornell indicated 'infected', WA 'none', and Mills 'heavy' - I've never modeled an event with Mills being 'heavy' and WA 'none' - circumstances were such that we were cruising along in the lower 40'sF monday and then an overnight rain till 7AM tues morning - a two hour dry period, followed by a rain, followed by the violent front (no damage here, but tremendous light show) - while that front was moving thru, temperatures rose above 50*F for about 6 hours, peaking at 56*, before declining back to the lower 40's again - to add to the mystery, if I model tuesday, from the two hour dry thru the end of the event, I get the 'infected', 'none', 'heavy' analysis from the program - if I run the model from the start of the rainy event monday so to include the rainy monday night/early tues thru the end of the event wednesday morning, the Mills model indicates 'light' infection (Cornell indicates 'infected', WA 'none) - as a practical matter, at our stage of development, these temperatures, and specific schedule of the wet periods, I normally wouldn't worry much about scab infection - but seeing that 'heavy' infection indicated from the Mills model is disconcerting - dunno - any thoughts? thanks, David Doud grower, IN ___ apple-crop mailing list apple-crop@virtualorchard.net http://virtualorchard.net/mailman/listinfo/apple-crop -- ** Dave Rosenberger Professor of Plant PathologyOffice: 845-691-7231 Cornell University's Hudson Valley Lab Fax:845-691-2719 P.O. Box 727, Highland, NY 12528Cell: 845-594-3060 http://www.nysaes.cornell.edu/pp/faculty/rosenberger/ ___ apple-crop mailing list apple-crop@virtualorchard.net http://virtualorchard.net/mailman/listinfo/apple-crop ___ apple
Re: [apple-crop] definitions question: first, second, third cover
I tend to agree the term 'cover' is becoming archaic in regards to modern fruit growing - I did look thru some historical references I have handy and in the 1936 Michigan spray calendar the 'first cover' is applied 10 days after petal-fall, with the 'second cover' applied 10 days after the first cover - 'third cover' is then two weeks after that, and 'fourth cover' two weeks after third - the calendar then refers to a 'summer generation' spray, exact time to be determined each year, usually about Aug 1 with the possibility of one or two more sprays after that at two week intervals the 1945 'Spraying Program' extension bulletin from Ohio State breaks the sprays down into 5 periods - Dormant, Pre-Bloom, Calyx Cup, First Cover, and Second Brood or Fourth Cover - under the 'First Cover' period the program lists the first cover spray as 'ten days after petal fall', second cover as 'three weeks after petal fall' and 'third cover' as two weeks after second cover with a note Watch spray service recommendations for need of an additional cover spray against the first brood of codling moth if should be noted that backbone materials of these programs were sulfer and lead arsenate - anymore I believe the spraying frequency is more decided by monitoring and complicated by such concepts as Alternate Row Center spraying and such - David Doud grower, IN On Apr 11, 2011, at 3:19 PM, Rye wrote: Hello all, I'm looking over pesticide information and I see a lot of references to first cover, second cover and third cover and also references to first cover spray, second cover spray and third cover spray. All references seem to expect the reader to know what that is. Searching the web I found one reference that said second cover is 4-6 weeks after petal fall. Another reference seemed to refer to the number of wet days to get to second cover and that didn't make any sense to me at all. I guess I'm really unclear on what cover means in this context. What does the term refer to? What is being covered at these stages and/or what is doing the covering? Or what observation do you make and say ah! we are reached second cover today! (same question for first and third.) Also, what is the relationship between second cover and second cover spray? (same question for first and third) I think I would understand once I understand what second cover is, but my general confusion on the topic leaves me with little confidence in that. I have found references for definitions of some stages such as green tip, pre-pink, pink. But these cover stages elude me. Thanks for sharing your expertise! Rye Hefley Future Farmers Marketer So. Cal. ___ apple-crop mailing list apple-crop@virtualorchard.net http://virtualorchard.net/mailman/listinfo/apple-crop ___ apple-crop mailing list apple-crop@virtualorchard.net http://virtualorchard.net/mailman/listinfo/apple-crop
Re: [apple-crop] apples- not propaganda
I want info about apples, then contribute something - for the record, I'm fine with the discussion going on - happy to see activity - D grower-indiana On Mar 14, 2011, at 5:10 PM, Dennis Brackman wrote: I want info about apples, not political chatter - please remove me from your e-mail list. tgith ___ apple-crop mailing list apple-crop@virtualorchard.net http://virtualorchard.net/mailman/listinfo/apple-crop ___ apple-crop mailing list apple-crop@virtualorchard.net http://virtualorchard.net/mailman/listinfo/apple-crop
Re: [apple-crop] Vertical Scaffold Spacing
It has been my experience that two scaffolds may originate at near the same height without choking the central leader - three originating at the same height will devigorate the leader eventually - the longer the tree lives, the more difference it makes - D On Feb 27, 2011, at 7:10 AM, Randy Steffens Jr wrote: How much vertical distance do you generally employ to separate primary scaffold branches on semi-dwarf Apple trees trained to central leader? Various university publications don't agree on spacing. Cornell extension publication 112 (written 1972) says at least 8 inches vertically between each branch is necessary, and that less space can cause the central leader to loose dominance. But more recent publications from other universities such as Univ. of NC and Univ. of VA imply it's fine if they all emerge from practically the same level. Is the Cornell publication old advice, or is the spacing really not that big a deal? What are the spacings you use for common rootstocks like M106 or G11? Is there any compelling reason to move towards adopting Cornell's textbook approach in our orchards? Randy Steffens Jr Shepard's Valley Orchards MIddle Tennessee ___ apple-crop mailing list apple-crop@virtualorchard.net http://virtualorchard.net/mailman/listinfo/apple-crop ___ apple-crop mailing list apple-crop@virtualorchard.net http://virtualorchard.net/mailman/listinfo/apple-crop
Re: [apple-crop] Training goal as it relates to initial planting
Rye - your picture shows a system that is highly regimented - excessively so for fruit production - if you want to do it to admire and enjoy, go ahead - be aware that many of these highly manipulated systems use Golden Delicious or some other variety with an agreeable growth habit - try to do that with Northern Spy or somesuch and you will experience frustration - otherwise, give yourself plenty of room and work with the tree - much better for fruit production - D On Feb 19, 2011, at 2:16 PM, ducn...@aol.com wrote: Hello, newbie here. I am planting a small high density orchard. I have bareroots on order on m9 nic-29. Due to arrive in the next week or three. I'm planting with 6 foot in-row spacing and looking to maintain a tree height of about 7-9 feet on 4 (or 5 if they look like they want to grow to 9 feet) wire trellises for a hedgegrow with the main branches latticed similar to this photo: http://resources.cas.psu.edu/TFPG/apple_trellis/images/slide33.gif Two ways I can think to accomplish this: 1) after planting, cut the scion to about 22 inches (from ground level) and train two leaders to grow 45 degrees North and South respectively. 2) initially plant trees at a 45 degree angle, leaning to the North, training a low shoot to grow 45 degrees to the South. I lean towards option 1) but being a newbie I'm hesitant to cut them so short. However, that's what it looks like was done in the photo. Can a newly planted bareroot handle being cut to 22 inches? Also they will be in grow tubes to protect from the critters. Just wanted to mention that if it matters that only about 3 inches of wood will get a full day's sun initially. Thank you so much for your consideration. Rye Hefley Future Farmer's Market Vendor Private orchard in So. Cal. ___ apple-crop mailing list apple-crop@virtualorchard.net http://virtualorchard.net/mailman/listinfo/apple-crop ___ apple-crop mailing list apple-crop@virtualorchard.net http://virtualorchard.net/mailman/listinfo/apple-crop
Re: Apple-Crop: ...and causes you to be fat too!
but...but...butit SOUNDS all scientificy!! - On Jul 23, 2010, at 8:47 PM, Kathleen Leahy wrote: Obesogens??? Seriously?? On 7/23/2010 9:47 AM, David Doud wrote: the current lead story on Yahoo - http://shine.yahoo.com/event/ loveyourbody/why-you-cant-lose-those-last-10-pounds-1964849/ ...See, an apple a day may have kept the doctor away 250 years ago when Benjamin Franklin included the phrase in his almanac. But if that apple comes loaded with obesity-promoting chemicals — nine of the ten most commonly used pesticides are obesogens, and apples are one of the most pesticide-laden foods out there — then Ben’s advice is way out of date I look forward to market saturday - David Doud - grower - indiana -- Kathleen Leahy Polaris Orchard Management Colrain, MA 01340 polarisipm.com Polaris IPM Newsletter for New England Orchards
Apple-Crop: organophosphates
monday morning reading - it's going to be a long fall talking to people about this Led by Maryse Bouchard in Montreal, researchers based at the University of Montreal and Harvard University examined the potential relationship between ADHD and exposure to certain toxic pesticides called organophosphates http://www.time.com/time/health/article/0,8599,1989564,00.html? xid=rss- topstoriesutm_source=feedburnerutm_medium=feedutm_campaign=Feed%3A +time%2Ftopstories+%28TIME%3A+Top+Stories%29utm_content=Google+Reader David Doud grower - Indiana
Apple-Crop: wanted: Bean sprayer hitch
I have a (very) old Bean 500g high pressure sprayer with a broken clevis - I want to find a new (used) piece so I can use the sprayer for some hand gunning this spring - anybody got one of these mouldering in the fence row somewhere? - or who can direct me to the sprayer salvage yard? - the piece I need is the clevis that the hitch pin fits thru - this clevis is attached to the sprayer with a large bolt to the rest of the (rotating) hitch assembly - I'll be happy to send a picture if that would help anyone - thanks David Doud - northcentral Indiana - still very much winter here - snow and ice and more coming -
