[arch-general] Porque systemd? :-)
I haven't been diligently following the mailing list, so perhaps I missed this. But given the recent systemd is now the default on new installations announcement, I'm wondering: what's the reasons for Arch making systemd the default going forward? The systemd wiki page gives a lot of technical information, but doesn't really clarify any of the motivations behind the move. Note: this msg is not any criticism of the Arch devs (I haven't yet formed *any* opinion on systemd), or intended to start a flamewar about the pros and cons of the switch. So just a simple RTFM response like see this mailing list thread for background would be perfect. Thanks, DR
Re: [arch-general] Porque systemd? :-)
[2012-10-16 11:16:04 -0400] David Rosenstrauch: I haven't been diligently following the mailing list, so perhaps I missed this. But given the recent systemd is now the default on new installations announcement, I'm wondering: what's the reasons for Arch making systemd the default going forward? This has been discussed countless times on arch-general and the BBS, not always constructively (hence why the moderation), but there are were some very informative posts, particularly from Tom Gundersen, such as: https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?pid=1149530#p1149530 See also the thread starting there for the official discussion: https://mailman.archlinux.org/pipermail/arch-dev-public/2012-August/023389.html -- Gaetan
Re: [arch-general] Porque systemd? :-)
On 10/16/2012 11:40 AM, Gaetan Bisson wrote: [2012-10-16 11:16:04 -0400] David Rosenstrauch: I haven't been diligently following the mailing list, so perhaps I missed this. But given the recent systemd is now the default on new installations announcement, I'm wondering: what's the reasons for Arch making systemd the default going forward? This has been discussed countless times on arch-general and the BBS, not always constructively (hence why the moderation), but there are were some very informative posts, particularly from Tom Gundersen, such as: https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?pid=1149530#p1149530 See also the thread starting there for the official discussion: https://mailman.archlinux.org/pipermail/arch-dev-public/2012-August/023389.html Perfect - thanks! DR
Re: [arch-general] Porque systemd? :-)
Am 16.10.2012 17:40, schrieb Gaetan Bisson: [2012-10-16 11:16:04 -0400] David Rosenstrauch: I haven't been diligently following the mailing list, so perhaps I missed this. But given the recent systemd is now the default on new installations announcement, I'm wondering: what's the reasons for Arch making systemd the default going forward? This has been discussed countless times on arch-general and the BBS, not always constructively (hence why the moderation), but there are were some very informative posts, particularly from Tom Gundersen, such as: https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?pid=1149530#p1149530 This post is nice, thanks for looking it up. I'd like to add that Arch's initscripts implementation has been getting more complex over time and still lacked many features and had many bugs. Systemd solves many problems in a elegant way and is being improved constantly. There's more manpower behind it than behind our initscripts, and our contributions to it are (most of the time) gladly accepted (Lennart is not nearly as evil as the internet makes him out to be). Finally, parts of the freedesktop.org infrastructure are starting to depend on logind, which in turn depends on systemd. In particular, polkit has dropped all support for consolekit, and gnome 3.6 will require logind as well. Moving to systemd is the easiest way to keep a good experience to our desktop and laptop users. signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: [arch-general] Porque systemd? :-)
On 10/16/2012 05:28 PM, Thomas Bächler wrote: Am 16.10.2012 17:40, schrieb Gaetan Bisson: [2012-10-16 11:16:04 -0400] David Rosenstrauch: I haven't been diligently following the mailing list, so perhaps I missed this. But given the recent systemd is now the default on new installations announcement, I'm wondering: what's the reasons for Arch making systemd the default going forward? This has been discussed countless times on arch-general and the BBS, not always constructively (hence why the moderation), but there are were some very informative posts, particularly from Tom Gundersen, such as: https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?pid=1149530#p1149530 This post is nice, thanks for looking it up. I'd like to add that Arch's initscripts implementation has been getting more complex over time and still lacked many features and had many bugs. Systemd solves many problems in a elegant way and is being improved constantly. There's more manpower behind it than behind our initscripts, and our contributions to it are (most of the time) gladly accepted (Lennart is not nearly as evil as the internet makes him out to be). Finally, parts of the freedesktop.org infrastructure are starting to depend on logind, which in turn depends on systemd. In particular, polkit has dropped all support for consolekit, and gnome 3.6 will require logind as well. Moving to systemd is the easiest way to keep a good experience to our desktop and laptop users. Very helpful info. Thanks Thomas! DR
