[Arches] Re: Is Arches suitable for this project ?

[Roshan Bhurtha]

Hi Vincent. Thanks for taking the time to write a detailed answer. It's 
much appreciated.

Regarding the display of 3D models, I am familiar with 3D-HOP and have been 
using it for to display all our 3D models for a while now. Heva  look at 
our website when you can: 
http://www.zamaniproject.org/index.php/3d-model-viewer.html

Thanks a lot for the ideas regarding the documentation of the laser scans. 
It's also good to know that we can import our Dublin Core metadata in 
Arches. This will help a lot.

I will use Arches  V4, definitely. I will start by understanding and 
creating the resource file model, as you suggest. thanks!

Thanks again for your answers and will keep in touch.
regards
Roshan







On Sunday, 19 November 2017 21:35:38 UTC+2, Vincent Meijer wrote:
>
> Hello Roshan,
>
> Until recently I worked for CVAST and set up an initial (albeit 
> unfinished) first version of Arches for our 3D cultural heritage data. 
> What I did for our 3D models was set up the 3D web viewer called 3D HOP as 
> a plugin in Arches reports (a.k.a. detail page for heritage resource). 
> I am currently quite busy (moving oversees back to Europe), but I plan to 
> create a more detailed write-up of how I did that.
>
> In the meantime: 
> 3D HOP: http://vcg.isti.cnr.it/3dhop/ 
> For the best results, convert your 3D models to the Nexus (.nxs) format: 
> http://vcg.isti.cnr.it/nexus/ 
> I read (but have not tested) that the .nxs format can also handle point 
> clouds, which will come in handy for your heritage site models.
>
> Our Arches project source code: https://github.com/cvast/cvast-arches
> In particular:
>  - Html templates: 
> https://github.com/cvast/cvast-arches/tree/master/cvast_arches/cvast_arches/templates/views
>  - Javascript: 
> https://github.com/cvast/cvast-arches/tree/master/cvast_arches/cvast_arches/media/js
>  
>  - Django migration: 
> https://github.com/cvast/cvast-arches/blob/master/cvast_arches/cvast_arches/migrations/0001_report_template.py
>
>
>
> For documenting the 3D scans I had the following in mind:
> - Activity Resource: Describes the project in general (e.g. a field trip 
> of a month or a long-term project of scanning in a particular 
> area/country). 
> - Digitization Event: More detailed, short-term documentation of the 'how' 
> and 'when' of the scan sessions. With this you can e.g. document settings 
> in your scanners (to show how you created your 3D models) and also when 
> exactly you made the scan (mostly useful for yourself).
> - Architectural Resource: Documents sites, buildings, etc.
> - Heritage Object: Documents 'portable' heritage objects
> - File (set): The actual 3D model. This is where you upload the file and 
> record e.g. the file type and if it's a mesh or a point cloud. 
>
>
> 
>
>
>
>
> As for your first question: yes I think Arches is definitely worth your 
> while. 
> I would *strongly* recommend, though, to use Arches v4 instead of v3.
>  
> Regarding importing: it is definitely possible to import your data. 
> The process is described here: 
> http://arches4.readthedocs.io/en/latest/import-export/
> Personally I prefer to do a migration like this manually, ie. without 
> import scripts, just entering the data through the web frontend. 
> It gives more control and when the dataset is not too large it can be 
> faster than learning how to prepare the automated import.
>
> Regarding Dublin Core, it can definitely be mapped to CIDOC CRM. The 
> latter is quite more complex, but here is a useful article on how to map 
> the two:
> dcpapers.dublincore.org/pubs/article/download/3779/1969 
> More details (if required, but might make things overly complicated): 
> http://www.cidoc-crm.org/Resources/the-dublin-core-element-set
>
>
> And finally: suggestions. My pitfall was that I wanted to make things too 
> perfect and complete right from the start. 
> It's important here to take things in small steps, otherwise it can be 
> overwhelming. For example: start with creating just the File (set) resource 
> model. 
> This is the bare minimum to publish your 3D models to the world. The 
> metadata describing the site (e.g. Architectural Resource) and the scanning 
> process (Digitization Event) can follow later. 
>
>
> I hope this helps and I'll be in touch soon with a more detailed write-up 
> regarding 3D HOP!
>
> Vincent
>
>
> On Friday, 17 November 2017 07:54:02 UTC-5, Roshan Bhurtha wrote:
>>
>> Thanks Dennis.  I already had a look at the CVAST project. Impressive. 
>>
>> Warm regards
>> Roshan
>>
>> On Wednesday, 15 November 2017 19:47:31 UTC+2, Dennis Wuthrich wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi Roshan,
>>>
>>> I'm aware of at least 2 projects that use Arches in a way very similar 
>>> to your description:
>>> http://www.earlywatercraft.org/index.htm (using Arches v3)
>>> CVAST (https://cvast.usf.edu/news/)
>>>
>>> Hope this points you in 

Re: [Arches] Re: Is Arches suitable for this project ?

[Vincent Meijer]

Hi David,

Sorry again for the late response :)
I answered Roshans questions on the forum:
https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/archesproject/v02grD04ofc

I don't mind if you give him my email address at all, however it would be
more helpful for others to have these discussions on the forum.
That way people with similar problems/questions can read them, and other
people from the Arches team can chip in with their knowledge.

Anyway, thanks for reaching out!

Vincent

On Sun, Nov 19, 2017 at 2:35 PM, Vincent Meijer 
wrote:

> Hello Roshan,
>
> Until recently I worked for CVAST and set up an initial (albeit
> unfinished) first version of Arches for our 3D cultural heritage data.
> What I did for our 3D models was set up the 3D web viewer called 3D HOP as
> a plugin in Arches reports (a.k.a. detail page for heritage resource).
> I am currently quite busy (moving oversees back to Europe), but I plan to
> create a more detailed write-up of how I did that.
>
> In the meantime:
> 3D HOP: http://vcg.isti.cnr.it/3dhop/
> For the best results, convert your 3D models to the Nexus (.nxs) format:
> http://vcg.isti.cnr.it/nexus/
> I read (but have not tested) that the .nxs format can also handle point
> clouds, which will come in handy for your heritage site models.
>
> Our Arches project source code: https://github.com/cvast/cvast-arches
> In particular:
>  - Html templates: https://github.com/cvast/cvast-arches/tree/master
> /cvast_arches/cvast_arches/templates/views
>  - Javascript: https://github.com/cvast/cvast-arches/tree/maste
> r/cvast_arches/cvast_arches/media/js
>  - Django migration: https://github.com/cvast/cvast-arches/blob/master
> /cvast_arches/cvast_arches/migrations/0001_report_template.py
>
>
>
> For documenting the 3D scans I had the following in mind:
> - Activity Resource: Describes the project in general (e.g. a field trip
> of a month or a long-term project of scanning in a particular
> area/country).
> - Digitization Event: More detailed, short-term documentation of the 'how'
> and 'when' of the scan sessions. With this you can e.g. document settings
> in your scanners (to show how you created your 3D models) and also when
> exactly you made the scan (mostly useful for yourself).
> - Architectural Resource: Documents sites, buildings, etc.
> - Heritage Object: Documents 'portable' heritage objects
> - File (set): The actual 3D model. This is where you upload the file and
> record e.g. the file type and if it's a mesh or a point cloud.
>
>
> 
>
>
>
>
> As for your first question: yes I think Arches is definitely worth your
> while.
> I would *strongly* recommend, though, to use Arches v4 instead of v3.
>
> Regarding importing: it is definitely possible to import your data.
> The process is described here: http://arches4.readthedocs.io/
> en/latest/import-export/
> Personally I prefer to do a migration like this manually, ie. without
> import scripts, just entering the data through the web frontend.
> It gives more control and when the dataset is not too large it can be
> faster than learning how to prepare the automated import.
>
> Regarding Dublin Core, it can definitely be mapped to CIDOC CRM. The
> latter is quite more complex, but here is a useful article on how to map
> the two:
> dcpapers.dublincore.org/pubs/article/download/3779/1969
> More details (if required, but might make things overly complicated):
> http://www.cidoc-crm.org/Resources/the-dublin-core-element-set
>
>
> And finally: suggestions. My pitfall was that I wanted to make things too
> perfect and complete right from the start.
> It's important here to take things in small steps, otherwise it can be
> overwhelming. For example: start with creating just the File (set) resource
> model.
> This is the bare minimum to publish your 3D models to the world. The
> metadata describing the site (e.g. Architectural Resource) and the scanning
> process (Digitization Event) can follow later.
>
>
> I hope this helps and I'll be in touch soon with a more detailed write-up
> regarding 3D HOP!
>
> Vincent
>
>
> On Friday, 17 November 2017 07:54:02 UTC-5, Roshan Bhurtha wrote:
>>
>> Thanks Dennis.  I already had a look at the CVAST project. Impressive.
>>
>> Warm regards
>> Roshan
>>
>> On Wednesday, 15 November 2017 19:47:31 UTC+2, Dennis Wuthrich wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi Roshan,
>>>
>>> I'm aware of at least 2 projects that use Arches in a way very similar
>>> to your description:
>>> http://www.earlywatercraft.org/index.htm (using Arches v3)
>>> CVAST (https://cvast.usf.edu/news/)
>>>
>>> Hope this points you in the proper direction.
>>>
>>> -Dennis
>>>
>>> On Monday, November 13, 2017 at 3:03:39 AM UTC-8, Roshan Bhurtha wrote:

 Dear Forum users,

 I have a couple of questions regarding the applicability of Arches to
 our spatial heritage documentation 

[Arches] Re: Is Arches suitable for this project ?

[Vincent Meijer]

Hello Roshan,

Until recently I worked for CVAST and set up an initial (albeit unfinished) 
first version of Arches for our 3D cultural heritage data. 
What I did for our 3D models was set up the 3D web viewer called 3D HOP as 
a plugin in Arches reports (a.k.a. detail page for heritage resource). 
I am currently quite busy (moving oversees back to Europe), but I plan to 
create a more detailed write-up of how I did that.

In the meantime: 
3D HOP: http://vcg.isti.cnr.it/3dhop/ 
For the best results, convert your 3D models to the Nexus (.nxs) format: 
http://vcg.isti.cnr.it/nexus/ 
I read (but have not tested) that the .nxs format can also handle point 
clouds, which will come in handy for your heritage site models.

Our Arches project source code: https://github.com/cvast/cvast-arches
In particular:
 - Html templates: 
https://github.com/cvast/cvast-arches/tree/master/cvast_arches/cvast_arches/templates/views
 - Javascript: 
https://github.com/cvast/cvast-arches/tree/master/cvast_arches/cvast_arches/media/js
 
 - Django migration: 
https://github.com/cvast/cvast-arches/blob/master/cvast_arches/cvast_arches/migrations/0001_report_template.py



For documenting the 3D scans I had the following in mind:
- Activity Resource: Describes the project in general (e.g. a field trip of 
a month or a long-term project of scanning in a particular area/country). 
- Digitization Event: More detailed, short-term documentation of the 'how' 
and 'when' of the scan sessions. With this you can e.g. document settings 
in your scanners (to show how you created your 3D models) and also when 
exactly you made the scan (mostly useful for yourself).
- Architectural Resource: Documents sites, buildings, etc.
- Heritage Object: Documents 'portable' heritage objects
- File (set): The actual 3D model. This is where you upload the file and 
record e.g. the file type and if it's a mesh or a point cloud. 






As for your first question: yes I think Arches is definitely worth your 
while. 
I would *strongly* recommend, though, to use Arches v4 instead of v3.
 
Regarding importing: it is definitely possible to import your data. 
The process is described here: 
http://arches4.readthedocs.io/en/latest/import-export/
Personally I prefer to do a migration like this manually, ie. without 
import scripts, just entering the data through the web frontend. 
It gives more control and when the dataset is not too large it can be 
faster than learning how to prepare the automated import.

Regarding Dublin Core, it can definitely be mapped to CIDOC CRM. The latter 
is quite more complex, but here is a useful article on how to map the two:
dcpapers.dublincore.org/pubs/article/download/3779/1969 
More details (if required, but might make things overly complicated): 
http://www.cidoc-crm.org/Resources/the-dublin-core-element-set


And finally: suggestions. My pitfall was that I wanted to make things too 
perfect and complete right from the start. 
It's important here to take things in small steps, otherwise it can be 
overwhelming. For example: start with creating just the File (set) resource 
model. 
This is the bare minimum to publish your 3D models to the world. The 
metadata describing the site (e.g. Architectural Resource) and the scanning 
process (Digitization Event) can follow later. 


I hope this helps and I'll be in touch soon with a more detailed write-up 
regarding 3D HOP!

Vincent


On Friday, 17 November 2017 07:54:02 UTC-5, Roshan Bhurtha wrote:
>
> Thanks Dennis.  I already had a look at the CVAST project. Impressive. 
>
> Warm regards
> Roshan
>
> On Wednesday, 15 November 2017 19:47:31 UTC+2, Dennis Wuthrich wrote:
>>
>> Hi Roshan,
>>
>> I'm aware of at least 2 projects that use Arches in a way very similar to 
>> your description:
>> http://www.earlywatercraft.org/index.htm (using Arches v3)
>> CVAST (https://cvast.usf.edu/news/)
>>
>> Hope this points you in the proper direction.
>>
>> -Dennis
>>
>> On Monday, November 13, 2017 at 3:03:39 AM UTC-8, Roshan Bhurtha wrote:
>>>
>>> Dear Forum users, 
>>>
>>> I have a couple of questions regarding the applicability of Arches to 
>>> our spatial heritage documentation project. I want to know if you think, 
>>> Arches is overkill or not applicable for our project.
>>>
>>> Website: www.zamaniproject.org
>>>
>>> Our team documents heritage sites and creates associated metadata using 
>>> the Dublin Core Standards. 
>>>
>>> We create 
>>>
>>>1. 
>>>
>>>High resolution 3D models using laser scans (textured & untextured)
>>>2. 
>>>
>>>Plans & sections derived from the laser scans
>>>3. 
>>>
>>>GIS’s of the sites
>>>4. 
>>>
>>>Full dome Panoramas
>>>5. 
>>>
>>>Collection of Casual photos
>>>6. 
>>>
>>>Drone imagery
>>>
>>>
>>> I would like to use Arches to make our data more 

[Arches] Re: Is Arches suitable for this project ?

[Roshan Bhurtha]

Thanks Dennis.  I already had a look at the CVAST project. Impressive. 

Warm regards
Roshan

On Wednesday, 15 November 2017 19:47:31 UTC+2, Dennis Wuthrich wrote:
>
> Hi Roshan,
>
> I'm aware of at least 2 projects that use Arches in a way very similar to 
> your description:
> http://www.earlywatercraft.org/index.htm (using Arches v3)
> CVAST (https://cvast.usf.edu/news/)
>
> Hope this points you in the proper direction.
>
> -Dennis
>
> On Monday, November 13, 2017 at 3:03:39 AM UTC-8, Roshan Bhurtha wrote:
>>
>> Dear Forum users, 
>>
>> I have a couple of questions regarding the applicability of Arches to our 
>> spatial heritage documentation project. I want to know if you think, Arches 
>> is overkill or not applicable for our project.
>>
>> Website: www.zamaniproject.org
>>
>> Our team documents heritage sites and creates associated metadata using 
>> the Dublin Core Standards. 
>>
>> We create 
>>
>>1. 
>>
>>High resolution 3D models using laser scans (textured & untextured)
>>2. 
>>
>>Plans & sections derived from the laser scans
>>3. 
>>
>>GIS’s of the sites
>>4. 
>>
>>Full dome Panoramas
>>5. 
>>
>>Collection of Casual photos
>>6. 
>>
>>Drone imagery
>>
>>
>> I would like to use Arches to make our data more “visible” online. Our 
>> web site shows a sample of our data, but does not have any query 
>> functionality, login capability etc..
>>
>> I started installing Arches V3 on a local machine and got it to work 
>> partially, but took me some time to get it going. The effort to get Arches 
>> to work was then stopped as we are unsure if it is worthwhile.
>>
>> So my questions are: 
>>
>>- 
>>
>>Is it worthwhile for me to look further into Arches ?
>>- 
>>
>>Is there a possibility of importing, in a batch fashion, Dublin Core 
>>metadata ( xml or csv) into Arches easily ?
>>- 
>>
>>Any other suggestions ?
>>
>>
>> Thanks for your time
>>
>> Regards
>>
>> Roshan
>>
>> Zamani Project, Division of Geomatics
>>
>> University of Cape Town
>>
>>

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[Arches] Re: Is Arches suitable for this project ?

[Dennis Wuthrich]

Hi Roshan,

I'm aware of at least 2 projects that use Arches in a way very similar to 
your description:
http://www.earlywatercraft.org/index.htm (using Arches v3)
CVAST (https://cvast.usf.edu/news/)

Hope this points you in the proper direction.

-Dennis

On Monday, November 13, 2017 at 3:03:39 AM UTC-8, Roshan Bhurtha wrote:
>
> Dear Forum users, 
>
> I have a couple of questions regarding the applicability of Arches to our 
> spatial heritage documentation project. I want to know if you think, Arches 
> is overkill or not applicable for our project.
>
> Website: www.zamaniproject.org
>
> Our team documents heritage sites and creates associated metadata using 
> the Dublin Core Standards. 
>
> We create 
>
>1. 
>
>High resolution 3D models using laser scans (textured & untextured)
>2. 
>
>Plans & sections derived from the laser scans
>3. 
>
>GIS’s of the sites
>4. 
>
>Full dome Panoramas
>5. 
>
>Collection of Casual photos
>6. 
>
>Drone imagery
>
>
> I would like to use Arches to make our data more “visible” online. Our web 
> site shows a sample of our data, but does not have any query functionality, 
> login capability etc..
>
> I started installing Arches V3 on a local machine and got it to work 
> partially, but took me some time to get it going. The effort to get Arches 
> to work was then stopped as we are unsure if it is worthwhile.
>
> So my questions are: 
>
>- 
>
>Is it worthwhile for me to look further into Arches ?
>- 
>
>Is there a possibility of importing, in a batch fashion, Dublin Core 
>metadata ( xml or csv) into Arches easily ?
>- 
>
>Any other suggestions ?
>
>
> Thanks for your time
>
> Regards
>
> Roshan
>
> Zamani Project, Division of Geomatics
>
> University of Cape Town
>
>

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